🤔｜theories

[floral mauve]

traumatized, corrupted, depressed, suicidal

not gonna be the same I guess

[azure bay]

whatever takes place there happens long before Paradox true ending

you need to try hard to find a causal link

[floral mauve]

But still

if Sarah ends up with Bob with erased memories

the revivial of Laura

might trigger something

since memories can be recalled

[floral mauve]

afterwards

only if Bob moved to somewhere else that is far away from Rusty lake related places

after his recovery

[azure bay]

it's not that simple

[floral mauve]

I see no difference between the memory losses due to extraction or erased

for the victim

its the same

[azure bay]

amnesia is caused by a broken link between neurons

it may be restored over time

[floral mauve]

no logics beyond the memory machine thing

cant explain it using the real world stuff

[azure bay]

well, devs imply you can

in The Mill we are working with a brain

[floral mauve]

but are u seriously gonna tell me that there is a difference between extraction and erasing them

[azure bay]

in TWD ARG artivle Hoorn speaks about brains as well

[azure bay]

I assume so

[floral mauve]

tell me

[azure bay]

1st

give me definitions of erasing & extracting

ah

I misundersod you

just as I thought

ok yeah

there is no difference from the pov of the memory owner

but these memories are supposed to be beyond reach

there's nothing to trigger after they are gone

nothing to recall

no neuron structure to rebuild

[floral mauve]

hold on

Bob did it

he recalled his memory losses in the white door treatment centre

about everything

[azure bay]

we don't know what happened there in the 1st place

he could shoot himself & that would be a legit amnesia

[floral mauve]

interesting

lack of wound

[azure bay]

Owl could extract memories & return them back in TWD

[floral mauve]

the theatre part is the controversial part of our discussion

did Bob actually shoot himself then get amnesia

or Mr Owl took it

both has counterargument

[floral mauve]

If Mr Owl took the memories already, why would he want them again in TWD (only if the samples were not useful anymore)

[floral mauve]

If Bob shot himself for real, where did his wound go and wake up in the middle of the street

[azure bay]

no, Owl did not extract any memory in TWD

if he did before, he was putting them back

[floral mauve]

but his memories are useful for Owl

[azure bay]

his mind is useful

[floral mauve]

bruh

playing with the words

funny

[azure bay]

no, I'm citating

[floral mauve]

thats an interesting quote actually

[azure bay]

"without memories his mind is useless"

[floral mauve]

so he did it reversely

[floral mauve]

vice versal I believe

with only memories, they are still useless without the mind

thats actually clear it up

even though I have no idea of the purpose of doing so

[azure bay]

honestly, I have no idea why Bob is there

[floral mauve]

a regular guy that has been tortured

again and again

people went to Rusty lake for mental health and fishing, whereas Bob went there to do the reverse part

[azure bay]

I rather tend to see him as a part of Dale-Laura plan

[floral mauve]

that is possible since you mentioned about the time lap

so does that mean the Sarah's part doesnt necessarily to be true

TWD stops at day 7

[azure bay]

why should or shouldn't it?

[floral mauve]

in order to be part of the plan

I am just saying

not trying to argue

[azure bay]

I'm just trying to understand your ideas

and actually we don't know how important Bob's part is

[floral mauve]

if Sarah's part isnt gonna be true

then Bob might be transported to or caged in RL

[azure bay]

not necesserily

[floral mauve]

to be a part of the plan

[azure bay]

we have no idea about his role

it could be fulfilled with dream 7 & he could be free afterwards

it could not

[floral mauve]

seriously?

Owl just want to help a jobless guy

[azure bay]

that's not what I'm saying

& still why not

[floral mauve]

perhaps

but

Owl said the Laura part is important

so its not just simply free him

after help him

[azure bay]

you don't understand. We know nothing. We don't know what was Bob's role, what were Owl's goals. Since we know nothing it could be anything

[floral mauve]

fair enough induction

but we still have a clue of Laura being in a part of Bob's memory is important for Owl

[azure bay]

I don't think it's enough

[floral mauve]

that suggests that Mr Owl wants Bob with Laura's memory

according to the past credit record of Mr Owl, we can deduce that he is not doing it just to help Bob to be normal

[azure bay]

there's definitely a plan

I just see no problem in actually curing Bob if it doesn't contradict it

[floral mauve]

hiring so many doctors to just help a guy he harmed unintentionally

doesnt sound right

there is no free lunch

[azure bay]

you are misrepresenting the situation

[floral mauve]

actually I was wrong

yes

He might have a main purpose

then

cure Bob is just a thing that he done to achieve the main purpose

so yeah

[azure bay]

if it was the main one, Bob could probably be free after. If not, he'd stay to help achieve further goals

but the institute wasn't created exclusively for Bob

[floral mauve]

I know I know

[floral mauve]

u still gotta pay them though

[azure bay]

that's why there can be other patients

[floral mauve]

yeah

[azure bay]

many of them may be even real ones

& require real doctors

& the institute itself may have a real income

or government datations

[floral mauve]

Owl's Philanthropy

raise money for mental health issues

[azure bay]

we're better to study business models of real mental health institutes

notably in US

[floral mauve]

It is actually no hard to understand the simple goal

make investors to spend more money on the institutes, so that the institutes can operate in a way.....Owl wants it to be

[azure bay]

well, investors usually require results

[floral mauve]

that requires the reputation and wealth outcomes

[floral mauve]

some ppl want to wash off some dirty spots off their record

helping Mr Owl might do the trick

[azure bay]

I still insist on studying real cases

[floral mauve]

(I am saying Mr Owl related cases just because this is a rusty lake server and I dont want Damy to kill me in an unpleasant way)

since we are slightly off topic

[high talon]

<@&358613639554400258>

[grizzled bluff]

Thank you for the @

[high talon]

Np

[hoary lichen]

@cursive fulcrum yeah probably

In the game the gun is already loaded

And it’s in her room

[cursive fulcrum]

Yeah

Maybe she was already planning it previously?

[hoary lichen]

My theory is that it was an intended suicide

[cursive fulcrum]

Like, idk, to have some kind of dramatic death

Ya know

[hoary lichen]

In Theater the lady of the lake has her dress and “dies” by getting her neck cut

The same way Laura died

And Laura committed suicide

Therefore it was probably suicide

[cursive fulcrum]

But I thought pheasant was Elizabeth?

[hoary lichen]

It’s weird

[cursive fulcrum]

Or am I just mixing everything

[hoary lichen]

It is her

But her enlightened form

[cursive fulcrum]

Idk my braincells aren’t much

[hoary lichen]

My theory is that the lady in Theater is her possible reborn self

Like laura

[cursive fulcrum]

Makes sense

Like

The vibes from both are similar

[hoary lichen]

Like somehow her corrupted soul had the chance to escape Hotel and be reborn

[cursive fulcrum]

Although I feel like the lady came first

[hoary lichen]

Like what Mr Rabbit tried to do

[cursive fulcrum]

Hold upIll have to leave for a bit

I’ll come back later

[hoary lichen]

Lol alr

[cursive fulcrum]

Okay I’m back

[cursive fulcrum]

But like, so the “animals” are also corrupted souls?

Like the black thing

Or maybe they’re like, the main memories that compose the lake?

[azure bay]

I wouldn't be so sure about it if I were you

[azure bay]

@cursive fulcrum that's for you. The guests & a human CS are together

[hoary lichen]

Explain

[azure bay]

The messages sent by the devs are controversial

They've shown Laura welding the knife & also did so numerous times with corrupted souls

One of which was confirmed to be Dale

[hoary lichen]

🤔

I always thought the corrupted soul kinda controlled her mind in a way

Making her kill herself

Which ig could be both a suicide and homocide

[azure bay]

That's my idea

[hoary lichen]

Lol

Nvm then

[high talon]

I figured the corrupted soul was like a metaphor for mental illness w some ppl

[azure bay]

Sometumes it's not even a metaphor

But manifestation

[high talon]

Exactly but sometimes i think its just mental illness ya know maybe im looking into it too deeply tho

[hoary lichen]

Ig Arles kinda implies that

[azure bay]

it's hard for me to believe that Laura's soul, the one to search for revival 2 different times, was also the one to kill her host

[hoary lichen]

True

[azure bay]

Unless Ram is right

The killing soul could be a metaphor & reviving one isn't

Yet they are not visually distinct

[high talon]

Maybe idk lol but thats the fun of theorizing

[azure bay]

Talking about van Gogh

He could go literally corrupted

As Bob did on day 5 in TWD

[high talon]

Tbh i feel Arles was just a huge love letter to Van Gogh he is rather famous so

[azure bay]

I guess one of the main reasons was his nationality

[high talon]

I feel so yes, so he has nothing to do w the series in full

[azure bay]

I have a theory that makes him do so

His infamous Starry Night was drawn in St. Paul asylum

In RL universe this painting is altered to feature the lake

And, according to a recent easter egg, he may remember the hotel

[high talon]

Oh yeah i heard that he did, huh mmm

[azure bay]

I guess, in RL universe his asylum could be that very hotel instead of st. Paul

[hoary lichen]

Hm

🤔

[covert wyvern]

thats honestly not a terrible theory.

I like it.

[hoary lichen]

Yeah maybe the room in Arles isn’t literal

And it’s something like Paradox idk

Lake a space in his mind

In which he frees himself from his “inner demon”

Idk

[azure bay]

"october 1888. What do I remember?"

It's a memory

[hoary lichen]

Oh yeah lmao true

Man the abstractness of the games can be confusing

Literal events and non literal events are just as weird

Wait a minute...

Why IS he remembering 🤔

Boom new theory

I will take that noble prize of dumb questions thank you very much

[azure bay]

Since Seasons recalling means at least reviewing old cubes

At most altering them

[hoary lichen]

Yeah

But van gogh doesn’t have some blue cube time travel machine

As far as we know

Wait a minute...

Oh my god this confirms my paul is a time traveller theory no way

Ok in all seriousness

I wonder why he was reviewing that memory specifically

[azure bay]

Blue cube lets people rewind the events

[hoary lichen]

Yeah

And they’re used to travel and alter past memories

Oh

OH

[azure bay]

Yet it's not required to review them

[hoary lichen]

THATS WHY THE EVENTS IN THE GAME DONT FOLLOW THE REAL EVENTSSSSSS

HES ALTERING THEM

😟

[azure bay]

My thesis doesn't contradict this

[hoary lichen]

Yeah

Never said it did lol

I just had an eureka moment

[azure bay]

Why sad face then?

[hoary lichen]

Oh no lmao it’s a shocked face

On different devices it looks different

[azure bay]

Alright nvm

[hoary lichen]

Lol

[azure bay]

Van Gogh could alter his past then

Yet I don't really understand what exactly he changes

& what for

I also have no problems with him just reviewing his past success

[hoary lichen]

Well in real life he got in a fight with paul and tried to attack him with a knife, he blacked out and cut his own ear off

In the game he already knows he has to cut his own ear off

So that’s kinda weird

[azure bay]

(IRL it wasn't the whole ear as far as I know)

[hoary lichen]

Yeah

Maybe he travelled to the past to kill his corrupted soul to avoid his future suicide

Like Laura did in a way

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Idk

Alright gtg somewhere bye

[hoary lichen]

Back

[royal notch]

I tend to think that Vincent could have been choosen as the new Governant of the Lake, but he failed.

[azure bay]

Imo this goes too far

Him just being to the lake once is quite a stretch

But being chosen by Owl makes it mathematically inpossible

[royal notch]

Why are you so sure (sorry for late respond)?

[azure bay]

I'm not saying you are wrong

I'm saying that's hiiiiiiiighly improbable by mere mathematics

visiting the lake is already unlikely

let's say, it's 1%

(it's way lower but my example is still evident)

in probability theory 1% is equal to 0.01

being picked as the chosen one is also unlikely

let's say, another 1%

another 0.01

assuming that visiting the lake & being the chosen one are independent events, their combined probability is 0.01*0.01=0.0001

which is 0.01%

e.g. 1% of 1%

do you see how low it is already?

Even tho this model isn't quite accurate

the probabilities themselves may be even lower

and even them not being independent increases the result to some extent it wouldn't change the result much

either way this coincidence would be nearly unrealistic

with data we possess

[royal notch]

I still don't agree. This whole plot can not be compared with probabilities. When Mr Owl discovered Dale, he didn't wait for the "probability" of him going to Rusty Lake. He builted an entire plan to prepare him to become his successor, without any particular left to the faith.

Only in a middle part, Dale would had to show his capacity (Paradox), in order to continue his already programmed journey.

So, It could be the same for Van Gogh. Mr Owl could have seen in him the characteristic to be the new Governant of the Lake. But Vincent failed, probably because he didn't get to open his mind like Dale did. And this fail could have driven him to his suicide the year after (just to compare story and history).

[floral mauve]

I do agree with the possibility of such interpretation

I mean for some reason, Asuras have the ability of foreseeing the future somehow

[floral mauve]

even though not too far I believe nor very clear

[sonic badge]

Why are there Sanskrit words on photos in rusty lake theater?

[high talon]

Just cause?

[covert wyvern]

I mean it's obviously a design choice, probably bc of the developers interest in Samsara and such.

[sonic badge]

Indian culture is interesting.

[azure bay]

1stly, it's about evidence. We have none so the only thing we can do is counting probablilities. If there WAS evidence, we would have more rights to talk about an assumption that specific.

Another thing is, realism usually makes stories better. I admit, devs could ignore that part but that would make the story less plausible & relatable & would require something to compensate it.

There are also other things that make devs making van Gogh another successor less probable. I'll try to digest them:

[azure bay]

1. Speaking in lore, we have no info on van Gogh in RL whatsoever. I just theorize that he could spend some time at the hotel which could even be not the case in the 1st place. And even IF that is, it doesn't automatically mean vG being a successor candidate or even being important for Owl's plots.
   _ _
   _ _
   The thing is, we've seen just a single successor Owl discovered in 1893 and no info about others even existing.

Then we've seen more non-successor people visiting hotel for other parts of the plot, it already makes vG more likely to be 1 of them.

Furthermore, I assume, there must be even more regular patients in order for Owl to stay legit. Normally, you can't hide your crimes if you don't cover them with more good things.
If you are RLMH&F & u keep some patients prisoner, you have to cure many more for real. So vG could also be one of them.

I'd say, vG could be cured for real as a part of a plot (e.g. he's famous & brings more of reputation to hide crimes & that helps plotting a lot) but I've realized that he became famous only after his death.

[azure bay]

2. Speaking out of lore, Arles doesn't seem to be important for the story. For me this game has 3 goals: tribute to compatriot artist, hype on this famous artist and depicting universe laws through his IRL-ish example.

And you theorize another one: to send a hidden message about a successor that will be understood only long-long after when the concept of a successor is establishes.

That seems unlikely for a ton of reasons:
a. Arles is an early game. No guarantie that the series gains popularity so no reasons for long lasting plans. (unless retconed)

b. RL worldbuilding is soft as hell. Another reason to set in stone the idea of a successor not earlier than Paradise. Otherwise why to keep it in secret after Dale's importance is already stated in The Mill or restated in The Cave? (once again, unless retconned)

c. For the same reason, there was also probably no hotel & Mr. Owl who'd look for that successor.

d. In case vG IS indeed retconned to be Owl's ex-candidate, I'm yet to see either evidence or reasons for that.

For now, once again, no info on van Gogh & no narrative need to establish any failed chosen ones. At least for now

I admit, that would be interesting & the best thing you can do is making this idea noticed by RL

So that becomes truth later

[royal notch]

I absolutely agree in the fact that what i'm saying is such a thought in my mind without the smallest evidence to prove it. My theory is just to give a role of middle importance to the artist, only because i don't like thinking about that game like "Cube Escape: Van Gogh edition". I have to say, though, that there are some references of this game in many others, and i've seen them in ways to sustain my story. But i advise, it's not a evident way but my personal opinion, so i'm not wanting to say what's true or false.

From the first time, it seems that there could be a lead between Vincent and Dale. The first time we encounter the detective is at Laura's house, where is present a painting of Van Gogh's "Bedroom in Arles". The same painting is needed for a puzzle. In the chapel, to open a Locker Dale needs 4 pieces of the "Starry night". In Birthday, the painting for Lil Dale's stamps is a view of the Lake where the night sky is the Starry night. All of them could just be references to the artist, but personally i find weird the fact that those are always present where Dale is present.

Until we arrive at Paradox. In the Paradox room is present again the Bedroom in Arles. Since it's most probably a rapresentation of Dale's mind, it seems strange that he focuses on a painting seen only one time.

[vapid hinge]

Sudden crack idea, Dale is to Vincent as Laura is to William.

[royal notch]

Crack for sure! I honestly don't know. It could be, but i'm not trying to prove that.

So, here's my thought: the Bedroom in Arles where we play in the third game could be a rapresentation of Vincent's mind (the maximum rapresentation of a room and of the artist's mind at the same time, i believe). That means that The Bedroom in Arles has been the Paradox room for Van Gogh in the past, where he had then to prove his capacity to exit from his mind. Just like Dale had to do a century after.

But instead of our detective, he must have failed, since he died the year after and Mr Owl is still the boss.

Another "evidence" could be the fact that, as we see in Paradox, phisically exiting from the room is the wrong way, and you have to repeat all again. This eternal and never-ending cycle could be the reason, in this universe, of Vincent's later madness that lead him to his suicide. Also, both the rooms take place near Rusty Lake: Vincent's one directly, Dale's one in the pine forest before the coast.

[vapid hinge]

Maybe........

[royal notch]

All i said is a "maybe", this is how i read some particulars scattered in many games.

[azure bay]

There is a huge difference between Paradox & other memory based CE games

Paradox is a memory of well-crafted dream

It's was never real

While Seasons, Arles, Bday & Theatre are based on real events & locations

You tell Arles takes place in van Gogh's mind

It's not exactly true

Since Arles is rather a memory "october 1888. What do I remember?"
And memories are not necessarily tied to a mind

Paradox was about the mind because it was directly indicated so.

Bday & Theatre were about entering cubes floating around the lake

Outside the mind

It's fair to assume Arles was somewhat similar

[azure bay]

For me Albert is more likely to be reborn as Dale since the former is talking about us the players fixing our mistake of killing him in Roots & they both share deer vibes. (Yet I wouldn't want this twist to happen for my personal reasons)

Talking about van Gogh, I'd rather bet on Bob being his reincarnation. Parallels that may or may not be on purpose: both were redheads, both turned corrupted while still being alive, both shot themselves.

What's more, Dale being followed by vG references could be just a coinsidence.

1. It's not present in Theatre, so the pattern is not that complete
2. It's hard to implement it into other games for one reason or another. So it may be not Dale's fault.
3. Paradox is not a product exclusively of Dale's mind. There's a huge part of Owl's will & sone of the lake itself.

[vapid hinge]

Fair, but it was a sudden crack theory.

[floral mauve]

however, I realized something, backthen Mr Owl still had time, so there was no need for him to find a successor

Elixir still had loads of power

and maybe he didnt realize the limitation of elixir back then

[royal notch]

It can also be that maybe he doesn't really like his role. 🤷‍♂️

[floral mauve]

bruh

back then Mr Owl only became Mr Owl for a couple decades

he may still study the power he had

investigate

[royal notch]

Ahem, from 1792 to 1888 is a bit more.

[floral mauve]

ah

my mistake

9 decades

still

Mr Owl has his power

[royal notch]

He COULD NOT like It.

[floral mauve]

why though

provide some detailed suggestions

[royal notch]

"With great powers come great responsibilities", you know.

I have nothing detailed.

[floral mauve]

probably not the best place to use this quote here

[royal notch]

Why?

[floral mauve]

Mr Owl doesnt want to save everyone (at least he is gonna harm some ppl to maybe save others)

has his plan

complexed thoughts

[royal notch]

Yes... so? I didn't get your point.

[floral mauve]

this one is legit for saving everyone

lets say

altruism

but Mr Owl may not be

[royal notch]

Yes, yes, but i'm not talking about altruism with that.

[floral mauve]

what kinda greater responsibility is that then

protecting earth

lake

environmentalist Owl

[royal notch]

[floral mauve]

that links

new theory has formed

Owl is an environmentalist

so he tortures humans to find a way to secure the natural resources like lake

rusty lake

means polluted lake

damn HUMANS!!!

yes

[royal notch]

Let's extract their memories for Revenge!

[floral mauve]

thats the reason why asuras are like animals

but animals who can think

animals revenge human with superior power

[nocturne yarrow]

dang, didn’t know they had such heavy pollutants back in the Eilander’s era

[floral mauve]

I blame it for overfishing

[grizzled bluff]

Aren't humans simply another type of animal, though?

[floral mauve]

not in samsara though

[grizzled bluff]

We've lived in harmony with nature for thousands of years as well

[floral mauve]

with a superior sort of brain that is toxicating the nature

yes

nature revenge

i am just joking

[grizzled bluff]

I mean, human brains aren't superior. We might be the best at specific skills like "reading" or "driving a car", but nature doesn't work with such a hierarchy

[floral mauve]

thats why sort of

[grizzled bluff]

But we're not superior and any sort of destruction worthy of revenge is a matter of a couple of hundreds of years
Most of that damage happening after the earliest game events
So I'm not sure what your point was XD

(Unironically, feel free to enlighten me)

[covert wyvern]

I think we should stick to "haha lake desires memories" goalwise

[floral mauve]

I mean ask the designer of samsara

[grizzled bluff]

Lake is a hungwy boi

[floral mauve]

it is indicated that animals are enlightened to be humans

whereas humans can continue enligtening to be asuras

[grizzled bluff]

Why would animals take revenge on the superior humans, in that case? Is that even allowed?

[floral mauve]

I am trying to make a joke that asuras are like superior animals

but nvm

this is getting serious

[grizzled bluff]

I'm just sensitive to the underlying argument, I suppose

[floral mauve]

I know I know

sometimes I just want to make weird theories

[grizzled bluff]

Fair! Just try to consider the implications next time

[floral mauve]

environmentalist Owl didnt work out I guess

[azure bay]

I'm not buying it, sry

[royal notch]

Neither i, but your mott is "question everything about Rusty Lake"! And so do i. Or at least i'm learning to.

[azure bay]

alright))))))))

[azure bay]

I need to hear someone's opinion on one topic

According to a cult picture from Paradise plague 9, Darkness is meant to come before the great & magnificent day of the lake.

It implies that Eilander's predecessors already dealt with plagues multiple times.

But why don't we see any plagues during Owl's rule?

[hoary lichen]

🤔

[ebon aspen]

Prolly bc he kept feeding the lake

[hoary lichen]

Yeah

[ebon aspen]

I mean, owl would be the last person to want the plagues to happen again

[azure bay]

But they also had means to feed the cubes

[hoary lichen]

Either that or with darkness they literally just mean

Night

[ebon aspen]

By they you mean the previous inhabitants of the island?

[covert wyvern]

Huh that's a good question; maybe the lake goes "dormant" for multiple centuries after? But in that case what about Dale

[hoary lichen]

The eilanders i think

[azure bay]

I mean the cult as a whole

[hoary lichen]

Yeah

[ebon aspen]

If so, well, they prolly messed up like the eilanders, and made sure to leave smth registered so the plagues wouldnt come again

[hoary lichen]

It’s weird tho they have a specialized well section to feed the lake

That works

[azure bay]

The thing is, the darkness seems to be connected to astrology & moon phases. E.g. it's periodical

[hoary lichen]

Yeah

[ebon aspen]

And sorry crafter, but i really didnt get the question here, maybe a misinterpretation of mine

At least for me is very clear that owl is making the possible and impossible to keep the lake calm

[azure bay]

Your answers seem appropriate nevertheless

[hoary lichen]

But what is that possible and impossible 🤔

[azure bay]

Pobably including cube feeding. Probably not limited to it

[hoary lichen]

Yeah

[azure bay]

I repeat something that seems off

The darkness seems periodical

So do all the others by association

As they are all listed on the same well

But after the cult was replaced, no new plagues to see

[ebon aspen]

Well, going back to the 10 biblical plagues that inspired the paradise game, ppl have been trying to come up with scientific hypothesis of how smth like that happened
I dont really believe that its a periodical thing and tend to think that its just the lake showing its hunger, but it could be smth with a reasonable explanation (its rusty lake, ofc its not) and the plagues ate still to happen during owls watch

And as i said, i dont think it will happen bc owl is making all the effort to prevent that stuff

[azure bay]

And still

If the darkness is connected to periodical events

The day of the is lake connected to darkness

& probably all the other plagues are also a part of this long sequence

Then they are all periodical

Tgey being Lake's hunger doesn't contradict it

These can be seen as independent hypotheses

And here seems the possible answer

But before telling anything I'd like to the others to contrubute

They may have different ideas

If you still have some, I'm all ears

[ebon aspen]

And i was thinking nowadays about that "dormant lake" theory, but im still more on the side of a constant memory feeding rather than "oh, the plagues are here, time to give the lake some cubes"

[clear moth]

Is there any theory about detective Vandermeer?'cause I was watching shutter island the movie and I found many coincidence I think detective Vandermeer is inspired by Andrew Laeddies or Teddy Daniels as detective's corrupted soul
Let me know more theories about all games I played All free games and I wanna start to the Rusty lake premium games and so, I'd like to know which I should play first

[azure bay]

The major inspiration for Dale Vandermeer was Dale Cooper from Twin Peaks

And yeah, there are plenty of theories covering him

Maybe some clue on where to start from?

[clear moth]

Well I don't know if premium games are related with cube scape series

[azure bay]

they are mostly origin stories

how Owl found Dale, how Laura was born, how Crow & Owl became themselves

notably, the game about finding Dale has nothing to do with him personally c:

he wasn't even born back then

[nocturne yarrow]

Look up the chronological order of game releases- that's the best order to play them all in.

[azure bay]

the guy is rather asking for theories

[nocturne yarrow]

Look at the message I replied to, he also asked for a play order.

[azure bay]

ah, yeah, sry.

I don't really see a need in this order since the free ones are already taken out of it

Bday & Theater are more clear after Hotel, The Cave heavily refers to Roots

[nocturne yarrow]

Something else I'd add is that Seasons, though janky, is necessary to understand Laura's whole story.

[azure bay]

you mean Roots?

[clear moth]

Well i just Will play premium games cuz I don't think that they have an order just some references to cube scape series

[azure bay]

Roots is indeed better to be played after Hotel

Paradise in my book can go either before or after it

they just complement each other

[nocturne yarrow]

You're kind of right, but I'd get the later cube escape games at least (birthday, theater, etc) because they have pretty heavy ties to the plot. The premium games make much less sense without them.

[clear moth]

I'm still thinking about shutter island and cube scape series are related

[nocturne yarrow]

The cube escape games are free on mobile, so if money's the issue you can do that

[azure bay]

he told he already played them

[nocturne yarrow]

ahh gotcha

[azure bay]

well, make a research & present us evidence. That way your theory would be more substantial :з

[clear moth]

Yeah I already played all free games and I will buy premium games no worries about money. I will research and I will show you my theory
I love all games since they were released I purchased paradox and that's the reason I think shutter island is related with

[azure bay]

loving games isn't usually a reason to relate them to other media, is it?

or was it purchasing Paradox?

@clear moth and are you still willing to hear some Dale theories?

[clear moth]

Yes I'm Bro but I think that would be better to watch twin peaks first
So, now do you know if Netflix version is the same or is different

?

[covert wyvern]

I don't think you need to watch twin peaks to understand RL

and this isn't related to theories but; netflix's range of available shows is different per region.

any more Twin peaks talk should be referred to #🛖｜the-cabin

[loud edge]

I still question how Vincent van Gogh is affiliated with Rusty Lake lore.

[covert wyvern]

I just assume he's there bc; he's dutch, nice art, to show anyone can become corrupted

[hoary lichen]

Idk

I already mentioned the theory about how the events in Arles could be him traveling to the past to kill his corrupted soul like Laura did

But maybe we’ll get more info in a future game

[high talon]

I think its just the rl staff fanboying tbh

[hoary lichen]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[azure bay]

Laura didn't kill her CS

Laura just canceled her death

or at least she believes doing that

[hoary lichen]

Rusty lake terminology hard

[azure bay]

thinking symbolism, van Gogh could face his demons, get rid of them & become free

in Indian mythology, prets (CS inspiration) are the souls unable to be reborn

maybe by destroying it Vincent got his right to do so

maybe he killed his human body alongside it as well

[hoary lichen]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Maybe

Although wait if you shoot your cs in Arles and look at the first mirror you can still see yourself right?

Wouldn’t that mean he lived

[azure bay]

After shooting CS no reflection is left

[hoary lichen]

Oh yeah I misremembered lmao

Had to double check

[azure bay]

oh damn...

what if we had the answer all along?

hidden in a seemingly unrelated game

if van Gogh's destruction of CS was his suicide, something similar could also happen to Laura

(yet I still like the idea of Dale's CS being involved more :p)

[floral mauve]

But Laura didnt eliminate the CS, I would rather say that she gave the control of her body to CS, or converted to CS

[azure bay]

Well

[floral mauve]

plus

she wasnt a CS when she is dead....I suppose?

she was like the normal corpse like other hotel guests

[floral mauve]

However, I doubt

normal corpse doesn't fly over and climbs everywhere

normally

so, how did she trigger the CS form after her death

certainly not only The mill

[floral mauve]

I suspect that she was already slightly CS corrupted before committing suicide, just like Bob?

[floral mauve]

this might also be the Owl's trick and Dale's illusion

so here are the two approaches I have

1. Slight corruption makes Laura's death not complete but rather giving her control over her body to CS
2. She was a normal corpse and what Dale saw was just a teleport trick done by Mr Owl

[azure bay]

Yeah, & also like van Gogh. That's my idea.

Back then she could eliminate her corruption for the time being. Or at least try.

I bet, van Gogh neither was found corrupted after shooting himself.

And Laura's CS reevoked later had just another reason

Talking about her disappearance in Case 23, it could be just Owl kidnapping her with no CS foreshadowing.
In The Mill it was likely just moved by Crow

[floral mauve]

then it is actually a mixture of both approaches

The mill is like waking her corruption

from dead silence

[azure bay]

I assume everyone has a CS potential

Deppressive people just have more of that

Dead people have some

& a strong negative experience may trigger it

[floral mauve]

I think it is possible that if Mr Owl used memory extraction, he could wake van Gogh in CS form as well

[azure bay]

I rather tend to see Vincent's case being more Bob-like then Laura-like

[floral mauve]

just like u said

everyone has a potential

if he was already partially corrupted

he could still be awaked after death in CS form

so does Bob

[azure bay]

(I'd rephrase it as vulnerable to corruption)

[floral mauve]

bruh

but still

[azure bay]

There I'm not trying to conttadict you

[floral mauve]

if this part can be still reporduced

[azure bay]

(yet) °ω°

[floral mauve]

then Mr Owl wants other aspect of Laura

[floral mauve]

I know I know

we made some progress today

[azure bay]

But now I say that we have no info on what happened to Vincent after he shot himself

[south heath]

Wait wait okay so.. We're Harvey in Hotel??

[azure bay]

yes. That's a fact

[south heath]

I'm stupid so have i processed that right-

Okay okay

But wait

I was gonna say but Harvey's a bird

... then I remembered that literally everyone was an animal so nvm

[azure bay]

what do you mean by everyone?

[south heath]

Everyone in the Hotel I mean

[azure bay]

well

[south heath]

Besides Owl

and crow I think

If I remember anything from roots

OH CRAP WAIT

Are they all drinkers of the elixir or smth??

[azure bay]

animals & anthropomorphic animals are creatures of a very different levels

[south heath]

True

[azure bay]

the latter are even higher than humans & yes, drinking elixir is a way to reach it. Yet I'm sure there are more

and yes

Harvey being asura (that's how they are semi-officially called) in Hotel & a regular bird after is rather interesting

@south heath have you seen a secret scene in Birthday?

[south heath]

With the snowglobe?

[azure bay]

I take it as yes

so

there we've seen him both as asura & animal

because of that some think that he can change his form back & forth

but for me it's rather a moment of him getting a permanent demotion

for a brief moment we can see his corpse & Owl casting a spell over him

a rebirth

which would also explain why a parrot with male name lays eggs

William was also reborn as a woman

[atomic folio]

😳

[daring spear]

The one and only thing that ever caused me confusion ( aside from RL's tricky puzzles ) was what was Harvey's gender but let's put that aside because I don't think his gender will have that much of an impact in the series .
What really matters is feeding him gives us an egg that the hand willingly takes and gives us nice things by which we can solve puzzles in return.

[azure bay]

I don't really get your message

[night forge]

Harvey's gender is heavily disputed, since the game uses many pronouns for them

[nocturne yarrow]

Harvey switches genders every few decades

what a gamer

[azure bay]

Don't really get you. Wdym

[nocturne yarrow]

I think what everyone’s trying to say is that Harvey’s gender has fluctuated throughout the game and therefore doesn’t really matter.

[night forge]

Pronouns are like he/him, she/her, they/them. In each game, Harvey is reffered to by a different set of pronouns: ie. "Give her the seeds" or "Kill him now"

[azure bay]

If these are exact examples, I don't remember them

And usually I remember everything well

Can you give a screenshot in case I am wrong

?

[royal notch]

I think he was just making examples.

[floral mauve]

I dont think Harvey has ever been given a pronoun

[floral mauve]

remind me in case I am wrong

[high talon]

Harvey's pronouns are whatever you want it to be, nuff said

[hoary lichen]

Yeah

They’re a bird person turned into a pet that never ages apparently

Their pronouns are the least important thing

[floral mauve]

this is so wrong that I am not even gonna correct u

[hoary lichen]

(:<

[nocturne yarrow]

yeah it all comes down to the fact that they are a bird and couldn’t give a hoot about gender if they tried

[floral mauve]

Actually, you have provided a brand new perspective of something that I didnt think of

Harvey never ages

He probably didnt enlighten in a normal way

According to my previous assumption about enlightenment:

1. Elixir path: you drink artificial potion to have a prolonged life plus enlightenment from human stage to Asura stage
2. Sacrifice path: using lake's power(?) by sacrificing the right person(?) in order to obtain a reincarnation plus enlightenment, but the reincarnated hotel guests dont seem to have prolonged life since they ages after their spawn of reincarnation

2.5 Sacrifice roots path: reincarnated and promoted/enlightened from preta stage to human stage, limited life span as well.

However, it doesnt seem like Harvey went through any of those paths

unless he is the creator of the Elixir

[covert wyvern]

I like the concept of Harvey being the messenger of the lake, implying the lake itself may have created Harvey soon after it came into existence.

Does it throw most of the plausible explanations out of the window; lmao ye

But iirc the Devs said Harvey is quite ancient during the online Indie booth

[floral mauve]

Who knows the complete formula and gave the flaw version to Caroline

[floral mauve]

thats the reason why I assumed that he didnt take any of those paths

[covert wyvern]

Ah ye fair

[floral mauve]

Plus something funny

theoretically, we havent heard Harvey speaking except repeating some human phreases

[covert wyvern]

Aye

[floral mauve]

so he might be a no human creature

but thats sort of contradicting the concept of samsara

I have another idea

he was born to be the Asura

those lucky ones

Harvey was Asura at the beginning when he was spawned after one of his samsara life

then he didnt die until hotel

devolved to a parrot

[floral mauve]

Perhaps used his ability to create the flawless Elixir, or the complete Elixir

Its like eating and drinking for him since he was born with the power of Asura

maybe my interpretation goes too far

I should stop here

good night

[hoary lichen]

Gn

[covert wyvern]

I think It's a fair interpretation

I just also think not everything needs a place on the wheelTM Even if that's a nice framework to put stuff in lmao

But that's just me

[azure bay]

For now I see the bird exclusively as Owl's agent doing its own things from time to time.
The Lake, on the other hand, may have very different goals. For example, it would prefer Laura, according to the green Paradox ending. Yet Harvey helps Owl to promote Dale.

Thx for the info on it being ancient. I trust you but did anyone happen to take a screenshot or a video of them making the statement? It would be great to have proofs so we're not baseless.

[azure bay]

We almost never hear the protagonist speak. Even when he does (Dale in the PD in Case 23 vs. TWD)

[azure bay]

I tend to agree on Harvey being born as asura on his own yet I doubt him dealing with elixir in any way until proven otherwise

If he's ancient indeed, I expect him to be a parrot most of the time and becoming Asura only after Jacob was sacrificed

Since he was seen in Paradise

[azure bay]

I'd prefer some direct quotation.

[covert wyvern]

Ye I should've recorded the whole thing tbh Lmao that's mybad.

[azure bay]

Such a pity that I was moving myself back then with just several GB of internet

I guess I'll just ask redditors

[azure bay]

Btw, @covert wyvern maybe you recall some other revelations?

[covert wyvern]

Ahaha there weren't a lot of lore questions answered (for obvious reasons)but if some come to me I'll let you know

[royal notch]

Today i'm here with a question that everyone has always forgot: who put that needle in Dale's birthday cake and why? Unless it didn't really happen.

[hoary lichen]

I think it was the grandfather by accident

The record player seems to be his

[floral mauve]

but that jumps two stages at once

that might be possible since lake's power is definitely better than a crap artificial potion

[azure bay]

There is no rule that you can't jump over stages

These stages just have different conditions

[floral mauve]

I know I know

I am not disagree with you

as I mentioned, the Elixir only allows human to asura

but lake power is different

no one knows how it works

[azure bay]

The thing is, we don't know yet if the lake is involved in Harvey

Or how it could be involved

[hybrid sand]

So here's my understanding of the story as seen without buying anything...

||two old bird people kill people and take their memories to rusty lake, but sometimes the people they kill turn either into corrupted souls or more ppl like them||

Is that accurate?

[floral mauve]

You just said he was in paradise😂

Which means he is sort of involved in the ritual

For example, anyone who successfully perform the sacrifice ritual can get every witness reincarnated into asura

[azure bay]

How on Earth having a secret cameo in Paradise means being envolved in any ritual?!

[azure bay]

It misses Dale

[hybrid sand]

I figure he's just the next one after Laura

But then again i have yet to play anything besides cube escape

[azure bay]

Dale's role is much & much greater

Good luck with figuring it out

You'll be surprised

[hybrid sand]

I would, but I'm broke 😐

[azure bay]

Why tho?

[hybrid sand]

Bc i have no money

[azure bay]

That's unfortunate. Can't help with that

[hybrid sand]

Yup

[azure bay]

Have you played Paradox ch2?

[hybrid sand]

Not yet

I think if i end up buying something, I'm gonna get the rusty lake series first

[floral mauve]

He witnessed it

That’s enough

For being involved

[azure bay]

In my opinion Paradox relies on other CE the most. Yet it's the most rewarding investment in my opinion

[azure bay]

He randomly flew in for a moment & wasn't seen for the rest of the year. I wouldn't call that witnessing

And being involved in my book implies a more active role

[floral mauve]

Oh

Then no

He might be selected by the lake if he was in the last night of the sacrifice

If he wasn’t

Then no

[azure bay]

Whatever happened to Harvey, I expect it to take place in 20k BC

Yet turning into asura is a different story

[floral mauve]

He is ancient

But that ancient?????

I thought like 300 years old

No more than 500

[azure bay]

The only way I can imagine the devs depicting his ancientness is featuring him in the game that predates a lot all the others.

The only one mentioned so far is 20k BC

[slow ridge]

Okay, I think I joined late to the conversation.. oh well. May I share my theory. I personally think that Harvey was, well a normal parrot until it reached enlightenment in a way or in another, at any time between 1796 (Paradise) and 1893 (Hotel). If this is true, Harvey wouldn't be the first animal in reaching enlightenment, since the Vanderboom's dog did too. However I'm yet trying to figure out how it turned into an Asura. Also looks like that Harvey meet all the squad (Mr. Crow, Mr. Owl, the Eilanders, Mr. Bat and Mr. Toad) in Hotel, which can imply that he wasn't present during the tenth plague, or that he was, and that's why he kills all the guests without questioning Mr. Owl's reasons.
I like ths theory a lot, and I'd love to polish it for a really big research I'm doing, I ask for help!

I'd also like to clarify that, for this theory, "The Search" of Roots is completely out of sight, since is completely misplaced, showing Harvey's transformation in 1891

Oh you're righttt! Ah.. now I have no way to prove that animals can become enlightened, right?

[azure bay]

1. As I was saying above, I expect Harvey to be seen in a forgotten 20k BC game. Since he was called ancient.

2. Being enlightened means becoming asura. Therefore, the dog was not enlightened. It just got a longevity due to elixir particles.

3. Yet given that Harvey lived in 1796 we can assume that he actually got enlightened in one way or another.

4. We can't say for sure whether Eilanders were reborn right away. According to RL blog, the guests have canonical ages that correspond neither the 10th plague nor ages of family members

5. I explain the timeline weirdness of "The Search" in a pretty simple way. It just started in 1891 & went on up to 1896 when Emma decided to commit suicide while Harvey's incident having happened some time in between.
   You have to agree on this being more logical then Emma looking for Frank for just a month & doing nothing for 5 whole years

@slow ridge

[slow ridge]

Yeah, you're right

Also about being ancient, it can be relative.. from 1796 to 1081 there were 187 years in between, while pisttacus parrot life expectancy is of 22 years. For a normal parrot, indeed, Harvey is ancient.

And about your point 3, I don't get it, would you mind explaining it slowly?

[azure bay]

I rather tend to take "ancient" literally since it makes the mysterious character even more so. I hope they don't cancel 20k BC & we'll eventually see how ancient is Harvey.

And talking about 1796, I just meant that Harvey had a lot of time to become asura in some way. Before that "ancient" rumor I would rather think otherwise since the bird seems to screw the time since the very beginning. By delivering flowers through decades (or at least months) & also letters.

For me coming from the future was more interesting back then.

[floral mauve]

I still believe that those existing asuras such as Mr Toad and Mr Bat are the ones were born as Asura

after the last samsara cycle

[azure bay]

maybe

just as many more asuras implied by RL Theatre posters

[floral mauve]

Actually this linked together with Eilander's case

Lake give the Eilanders the power of reborn as Asuras

which means tecnically they got killed by the lake and started their next life as Asura

which means that they started a new life with hidden memories of Eilanders in them

[floral mauve]

some of them such David and possibly Elizabeth activated the memories

[slow ridge]

Not necessarily, for example, Mr. Owl was, not one, but two Eilanders. Both of them died, and Mr. Owl has the memories of both. I don't know if Mr. Owl follows Caroline's will, but surely follows Jakob's will. I'm talking about him because Mr. Crow's (the other Asura that remembers his humanity) case is different.

[azure bay]

I find the fusion of Jacob and Caroline into Owl VERY debatable

The personality is clearly Jacob's

And no memories about how to create elixir

Otherwise they wouldn't drink literally shitty extract in The Cave

His actions following Caroline's steps are likely to be his own rational choice

After all he was chosen to fulfil some big role

Maybe also important

Speaking of samsara, souls are the only things that stay

They neither fuse together nor get separated in several. At least I've never heard that from the original mythology

The thing we've seen in the ending could be interpreted in different ways

But as Owl himself said: "A great sacrifice was needed to become something else", I assume, she gave him her life powers of something & suffered the consequences in one way or another

[hoary lichen]

Does jacob even have a personality tho? /srs

Like in Paradise he doesn’t really do much to show it

[floral mauve]

The Eilanders I am referring to above are excluding Jakob and Caroline since they are the ones who are sacrificed, I include them in the Elixir path

other Eilanders are in the sacrifice path

who benefitted from the sacrifice

[azure bay]

By personality I meant the he identified himself as Jacob

[hoary lichen]

Ohh

Ok lol

[floral mauve]

since we can see it in Paradox

he thinks his past is Jakob

he didnt mention anything about Caroline

I would think in a more...dramatic way in Jakob's case

Caroline sacrificed her memory to enlighten Jakob

love or altruism whatever

she basically sacrificed herself twice

first time saving Jakob from the ceremony and physically died,
second time saving Jakob from the sacrifice and spiritually died again by proving memories

I guess, Caroline is a great mother figure in RL

[azure bay]

I'm not that sure that her memories were the sacrifice

[floral mauve]

I didnt say that

read again

oh wait

yes I did

lol

no

I meant she provide her memories

for the Elixir

I refer that as sacrifice

I just rewatched the ending of paradise

collecting her black cube memories and enlighten Owl

thats basically saving Jakob from the result of dying of burnt alive

[azure bay]

for me the sacrifice was likely either her time til rebirth or her going to hell or even ceasing to exist

[floral mauve]

I go for the latter one

[azure bay]

honestly, all 3 have no precedent

[floral mauve]

tbh I find Caroline very unique in terms of Samsara

her black cubes distributed in the island but they are like her hologram

However, her preta form is also based on it

which is kinda emmmm unprecedented

[azure bay]

wdym?

[slow ridge]

So it's like Laura and William? William's soul included but Laura's "personality"?

[azure bay]

no really. William gradually turned into Laura

[slow ridge]

That makes more sense

[floral mauve]

the CS is based on the black cubes

just like guests

I suppose

in her case

[floral mauve]

agree

William is never going to be back as William

since he is dead and it is not reversible

I mean William as an entity

[azure bay]

how can we tell?

[floral mauve]

paradise is about small cubes

collecting her memories

and her CS appears in the end in the well

the last black cube

so I guess she is based on it

[floral mauve]

not only a hologram of memory about the past

[azure bay]

I rather tend to see her detached from them & just overseeing Jacob

[floral mauve]

oh

thats also possible

damn

[azure bay]

talking about holograms, I assume, it was a way to depict usage of the cubes.

in fact, it's an interesting topic

[floral mauve]

thats true

you seem dont need a machine to see whats in the cube

[azure bay]

I mean in a regular way

[floral mauve]

just hold it

[azure bay]

the thing is, what is the regular way of seeing memories?

We've seen people looking into memories from outside

[floral mauve]

see it as a part of your own experience

the most regular way

[azure bay]

We've seen people completely diving into memories as well

We've seen Nicolas holding the cube & concentrating on it. Presumably, watching something with eyes closed

[floral mauve]

this makes me wonder, if a person completely attach himself with the memories of the same person, does that make the original owner of the memories reborn using another person's body

[floral mauve]

could you send me a screen shot

I dont remember

[floral mauve]

oh

where was it

[floral mauve]

ohhh

whats that memory about

I bet it has nothing to do with cube knowledge or elixir knowldege

[azure bay]

Nicolas was telling Jacob about sacrifices

[floral mauve]

then it was useless

for Nicolas

[azure bay]

I have several assumptions here why it could be actually usefull

[floral mauve]

ok

[azure bay]

1. The cube contained not only that
2. He was willing to look through all the memories in order to find the right one

[floral mauve]

I think 2 is very likely

plus some of the cubes like the one down the well are hidden very secretly which I believe Caroline did it intentionally

for Jakob

[high talon]

Tbh idk if it goes here but i would love to hear ya alls theories on the past within from what we have seen so far

Like how d you all think the story will go?

[bronze prism]

I don't know, Albert did something important that change something or everything in the history

Something that hasn't been explained or ever told

[covert wyvern]

@bronze prism to put all your doubts to rest: the boat contains a letter addressed to Jakob, Jakob appears under the opening monologue as he rows to the island

The character in the boat is 100% without a doubt Jakob.

[bronze prism]

UwU

[high talon]

Something tells me you haven't played/watched Roots

[bronze prism]

No, something we don't know yet

I have played it

[covert wyvern]

If you can it would be a good idea to play through roots before tpw drops that's for sure.

[bronze prism]

Yes it's good

Not the best game of the series

But it's nice

[high talon]

I strongly disagree but ok

[bronze prism]

Hm

[covert wyvern]

Unsure to be honest but I'm really interested about the modern side of the game

[bronze prism]

Then what you think it will be about?

[hexed bough]

^

[covert wyvern]

This isn't the channel to discuss what games are your favourites

[bronze prism]

Just a commentary

Tiny one

[covert wyvern]

Argue with me again and catch a mute

[bronze prism]

It wasn't my intention sorry

[covert wyvern]

Good.

[high talon]

Fair lmao, anyways i feel like Rose in some way (idk for what reason maybe grief he was her father after all)

Is trying to bring him back?

Maybe i dunno?

[bronze prism]

Why would she want to bring him back? That's the main question for that theory

[high talon]

Wouldn't you bring back a dead parent?I would

[covert wyvern]

Mhm maybe. I'm actually unsure considering the purpose of the vanderboom family was in fact sacrifice to bring William back as laura

I wonder if it that would complicate a revival.

[bronze prism]

But what would be the impact at the main story?

[covert wyvern]

Can you bring someone back who likely parted with part of his soul.

[high talon]

Lmao likely

[bronze prism]

"1920, Rose bring back Albert to life"

[high talon]

And i mean Albert was said to return somehow its obvious is gonna be a revival plot point

[bronze prism]

It would make sense if he did something big and important

Like the foundation of the white door mental institution (example)

[high talon]

You never know Albert had a lot of focus on him during Roots and he is a fan favorite (im looking @ you Rainy)

Its obvious fan favourites always return (;_;) always

[bronze prism]

I don't know

[covert wyvern]

I would be fine with Albert making a return to the stage, wonder what he'd get up to

Perhaps the modern pov is from a new character, a follower of him if you will

Maybe he starts a cult lmao

[high talon]

I mean i feel like Paradox hinted at it?

Didnt Albert technically appear in the deer skull part?

[bronze prism]

Wait

Let me see, wait a sec

[high talon]

i think he did lmao sorry its 1 am my brains not working that well

[covert wyvern]

I mean dale's "ascended" animal person thingy is likely a deer

I'm unsure if alberts in paradox st all atm

[bronze prism]

Ok I'm back

I don't think it was him

Are you talking about the statue?

[high talon]

I mean the hhh hold on

[bronze prism]

How does that work, like, is there a symbology behind it?

[covert wyvern]

Unsure. Maybe your "personality" determines what kind of animalperson you become, maybe it's random.

[high talon]

I mean here nfdknbfd like there was someone similar in that game but i cant seem to find the img on the wiki rn

[bronze prism]

I did a test online

No. That's dale

[high talon]

Huh?

No?

[bronze prism]

That is Albert oh my goodness

[covert wyvern]

That's a voodoo doll? So probably Albert

[bronze prism]

Waaat

[covert wyvern]

But it's an Easter egg right? Not trying to dismiss it as unimportant

[high talon]

I dont think Dales into voodoo

Hmm idk idfnkdb i just feel like its a hint maybe im looking to deep into it

[covert wyvern]

I sure do wonder where that could fit in!

[high talon]

Im sorry

[bronze prism]

I have never actually seen the relation between this picture, I really thought it was dale

[covert wyvern]

Lmao ram that's what this channel is for.

[high talon]

Please dont be mad @ me lmao

[covert wyvern]

Not at all

[real lantern]

I mean.
Mask:check
Voodoo doll:check
Sexy af: check
Conclusion, probably albert

[covert wyvern]

Why does everyone keep thinking I'm mad

[bronze prism]

But Easter eggs are usually important (sometimes) aren't they?

[bronze prism]

Well

It does make sense

[high talon]

Im sorry mods intimate me

[covert wyvern]

LMAO

Brb registering an alt.

[hexed bough]

youre scary /hj

[covert wyvern]

Anyway

Thank yoh all for your feedback

Please stick to theories here! (That includes me)

[bronze prism]

Omg I shouldn't be laughing at this

[covert wyvern]

I shall now depart for slumber, have a nice theorising everyone 07

[high talon]

Anyways uh yeah i think Albert will be revived somehow by the end of TPW

[bronze prism]

Ok

[high talon]

Maybe in a new body, maybe he Hijacks someones body

[bronze prism]

Yes, that would be a very big event

[high talon]

Like some possesion type stuff

[bronze prism]

Oooo

Spooky

[high talon]

I dont know if thats possible in the RL universe but it likely is because i say so, ok jk but fr he seems like a malicious guy wouldn't but it beyond him

[bronze prism]

Wha

Please I don't understand

What is jk bu fr?

I really don't understand sorry

[hexed bough]

"joking but for real"

[high talon]

Sorry i dont feel like typing out full words when theres shortened vers...XD

I am lazy and cut corners when i can

[hexed bough]

"jk" stands for "joking", "fr" stands for "for real", i guess "bu" it's just a spelling mistake (don't come after me damy.)

[bronze prism]

Ohh

[bronze prism]

Be careful with this

[high talon]

Opps yeah it was a typing mistake lol

[bronze prism]

Oh

It's like in Portuguese then??

Cut corners

Like

[hexed bough]

this is getting out of topic so kinda of move to #🛖｜the-cabin

[bronze prism]

I think it's better we come back to the main topic then

Or move to the cabin

I'm tired of typing

My fingers are tired they need to rest

[slow ridge]

Well yes, but looks like that she has (or had?) a good relationship with Frank. Personally I think she might be neutral on his father topic

[azure bay]

According to 1 old reddit post, when the shoe box concept was still active, the game was meant to be a set of cubes one hidden inside another Inception-style

There was 1 lvl presented on Gamescon 2019

[azure bay]

I don't think tv in Paradox is that important cause most of the footage if not all of that is fan-made during a contest

[bronze prism]

Whoa, I didn't knew that

[floral mauve]

Agree

I tend to think Rose is like Ida, doesnt tend to show much emotion

[floral mauve]

or maybe its just the art representation

[azure bay]

I could say the same about almost every character in RL)))))))))))))))))))))

[floral mauve]

But she does have internal thoughts such as taking care of Rose

[floral mauve]

well, other characters in roots do have certain...personalities

Ida and Rose are more...shy? Or introverted I guess

[slow ridge]

Actually it's Ida's daughter, so I wouldn't be surprised

[azure bay]

what's James', Mary's, Leonard's, Frank's & so on?

[floral mauve]

for me, they have more expression than Ida and Rose

[slow ridge]

Personalities?

[high talon]

Sorry for the late reply my brain just registered this could i have an image about what you mean?I for the life of me can't remember im sorry

[floral mauve]

For example, Ida didnt even try to react, when she is married or tortured

poker face at its finest

[azure bay]

well, she gave a cloud with scream emote

[floral mauve]

oh

sure

if that counts as reaction

[slow ridge]

Anyways, Samuel didn't showed any kind of fear neither. I guess that's part of the "Voodo" thing?

[floral mauve]

as I said, I do believe Ida and Rose have internal feelings, they are just experts in poker face

[azure bay]

sry, I did not get it. Could you please paraphrase it?

[high talon]

I think they mean that Samuel also didnt seem to be scared of dying?

[slow ridge]

Black Jesus said that Ida didn't reacted when tortured, and I say that Samuel neither

[azure bay]

damn, wrong quote

[slow ridge]

Yup

[azure bay]

paraphrase this plz

[floral mauve]

this is my conclusion

dont want to argue

since its pointless

[high talon]

I mean the image you mentioned of the reddit post with the shoe box, where did you see that if i may ask?Like i dont even recall seeing it

[azure bay]

It's more complicated

there was a deleted reddit post about TWD & TPW demos on Gamescon 2019

[slow ridge]

Shoe box? May I ask what's that about?

[azure bay]

the guy mentioned a 3D cube with a peephole

inside the cube a 2D world was seen

[high talon]

I see..huh, i dont seem to recall that but 2020 and 2021 have been hectic years and everything a blur since January of this year

[azure bay]

that corresponds the early shoe box concept mentioned in early TPW devlog

[slow ridge]

Ah, I can't read devlogs

[floral mauve]

ohhh, I think I do remember this

first devlog I suppose?

of TPW

[high talon]

Huh i see, but nah sorry im pulling a complete blank on you

[floral mauve]

I thought its just an early draft or plan

[azure bay]

what is that supposed to mean?

[floral mauve]

they probably didnt stick to it in the end

[azure bay]

yes, but I've evoked another idea that may be kept