🤔｜theories

[azure bay]

what does "France of the Netherlands" mean?

[humble coral]

One of those countrys

[azure bay]

you mean "or"

Arles is definitely in France

I can assure ya

there's no lake in its proximity tho

[humble coral]

K im stupid

Vincent van gogh lived in the place called arles in 1888

[azure bay]

Arles is a small town on the south of France

[humble coral]

Bruh

But the rest of the rusty lake series plays in Canada the usa of the northern of england

I think

[azure bay]

Dale is in US

but the lake is not that certain

& that may be on purpose

fun fact

there are 7 Rusty Lakes in Canada

[vague imp]

The mountains sure look like North America

[azure bay]

like this?

or this?

[covert wyvern]

I'm not a geologist, but allow me: RLs mountains are still relatively "pointy" which would indicate a "younger" mountain range, bc the peaks haven't succumbed to erosion yet.

[vague imp]

That doesn’t look like the Netherlands to me and those mountains still look smaller than the Rusty Lake ones

[covert wyvern]

Lmao please forever rulenout the Netherlands

There are no mountains here.

[vague imp]

And as damy said less pointy

[hoary lichen]

Guys I think it’s in the Netherlands

[covert wyvern]

You're completely wrong!

No seriously!

I live here!

[royal notch]

"Netherlands" it's not a casual name...

[azure bay]

how are Netherlands relevant?

[covert wyvern]

Personally I still believe RL is a subspace bubble with a lot of access points

Y'all have fun pinpointing a location though!

[hoary lichen]

Guys it can’t be in the Netherlands because there aren’t any zombie pigmen smh 🙄

[covert wyvern]

So true^

[hoary lichen]

I like to think it’s in one of the real rusty lakes in canada because funy

[vague imp]

lol

[hoary lichen]

Also it makes it much easier

[vague imp]

to me Canada/North America makes the most sense but I don’t think it matters

[hoary lichen]

“Where is Rusty Lake located?”
“Rusty Lake”

[covert wyvern]

Just for reference, though!

Behold the highest point in the low country, clocking in at 322 metres above sea level

[azure bay]

The chapel seemingly disproves US/Canada version

[royal notch]

Also, the transport of Dale and Laura is way more simple if It is in Canada.

[hoary lichen]

Magic

[covert wyvern]

See that's why the subspace bubble is such an elegant solution

[azure bay]

yeah, cause Dale & Laura are definitely in US

[royal notch]

Exactly.

[covert wyvern]

But to be fair we never see any travel happen, do we?

For all we know Laura was flown out to some remote location

[azure bay]

Kirsten Hoorn takes plane

[covert wyvern]

Ah very true!

[royal notch]

And if we assume that also her is located at New York...

[vague imp]

Do we even know the date in the chapel is when it was built

And not when they started their cult or smth

[azure bay]

It's written on the front

& usually it's the built day

what's more, the architecture corresponds that time

[hoary lichen]

What if it the games actually take place in the future after an event happened and all the years were counted again from 0 and it’s actually a post apocalyptic earth where Canada and the Netherlands crashed together and mutated to form New Catherndands the country where it all takes place

And Van Gogh is a time traveller

[azure bay]

well. We may go home now. There's no mystery to solve

[hoary lichen]

And Paul too

[royal notch]

In the ARG, the map of the world is perfectly fine.

[hoary lichen]

It would explain uh

Well it wouldn’t explain anything but we could pretend it does

[hoary lichen]

It’s an arg INSIDE of the game universe

Boom

Wait no it’s not actually the Van Gogh we know it’s a guy from the future who just happened to look like him

It would explain why Arles doesn’t really follow the real events that much

Paul is still the same tho

He’s a time traveller

[ebon aspen]

Devs: cool aesthetic
Players: MOUNTAIN AGE!

Jokes aside, it really seems that rl takes place on canada, arles is more of a homage than a eilander/vanderboom/dale thing
It explores the cubes concept, but i really dont think it is directly related to any event involving the lake itself

[azure bay]

and the chapel?

[hoary lichen]

The chapel is actually Ness who is actually Sans

[ebon aspen]

couldnt it be located in canada?

[azure bay]

the one built in 1384? very unlikely

[hoary lichen]

Pre colonialism

[ebon aspen]

oh so we take the code as a year

[hoary lichen]

The american indians made it duh obvs

[royal notch]

It can still make sense if we assume the Bedroom as the Paradox room for Van Gogh.

[hoary lichen]

The look I think fits the year

[covert wyvern]

1384 is oddly specific, I reckon.

[hoary lichen]

So it would make sense

[covert wyvern]

Middle ages would also overlap with a predominant catholic western society, I think?

[hoary lichen]

And it starts with a 1 so it sounds like a year

[vague imp]

It’s more likely they messed up the date than the huge mountains are supposed to be in the Netherlands though

But we don’t even know that’s the date it was built

[azure bay]

dude, I'm not even talking about Netherlands

[vague imp]

It could be the year they founded their cult

[hoary lichen]

It’s in the Netherlands Damy confirmed it 🙄

[ebon aspen]

and this message takes on the hypothesis that the lake is really located in our world, for me is more a big mix of various places, like how the religion concepts work thru the series

[covert wyvern]

I think I very clearly specified the opposite, lmao.

[azure bay]

their lake cult without the lake?

[hoary lichen]

Shh

[hoary lichen]

That makes sense actually

[vague imp]

They could’ve founded the cult in the Netherlands and moved to Canada to escape scrutiny, tons of colonists went to the new world to set up their own little insular religious communities

[covert wyvern]

lets not go there.

[vague imp]

Ok haha

[azure bay]

1. their cult is about the lake
2. the chapel architecture corresponds the year

[royal notch]

But the Lake Is still in Canada. How can you start in the Netherlands A CULT ABOUT A LAKE IN CANADA???

[ebon aspen]

simple

its not on canada

[hoary lichen]

New Catherndands

[hoary lichen]

It’s on the Netherlands 🙏

[royal notch]

But It still can't be in the Netherlands.

[vague imp]

I mean they could’ve been doing alchemy and stuff back home and found the lake when they migrated

[azure bay]

and they DON'T HAVE to live in Netherlands. They can be dutch immigrants in any other country

[ebon aspen]

this^

[vague imp]

It makes more sense than European

[ebon aspen]

netherlands never seemed a solid option ig

[covert wyvern]

its true, lots of names we see in the US today are just remnants of their dutch roots.

[azure bay]

any other country that may or may not be European

[covert wyvern]

the names could just be that, names.

granted, Eilander is very specific.

but I think the names are just Dev choices. throw a nice dutch name to the relevant theme of the game

Roots: vanderboom, from the tree. Paradise; Eilander, islander.

[hoary lichen]

Guys what if the games don’t take place on Earth 😳

[ebon aspen]

its a possibility

[covert wyvern]

an interesting proposal. I think too much of the nature is earth-native to be alien

[hoary lichen]

They take place on Mars

Trust me I live there

[ebon aspen]

at least not on the earth as we know

[hoary lichen]

What if it was all just a dream in 9 year old Dale’s head the night before his birthday

[covert wyvern]

that would be the worst conclusion to the series

[azure bay]

wow he was able to imagine people he's never known about

[hoary lichen]

Yeah

What if the real location of Rusty Lake was the friends we made along the way

[azure bay]

I'm definitely going to write an essay on the Lake's possible locations

[covert wyvern]

cool!

[vague imp]

I don’t think ruling out North America bc of the chapel makes sense

[covert wyvern]

Neither. but its still an odd piece of architecture that stands out!

[azure bay]

I don't rule it out completely. Dale & Laura are kinda confirmed to live there

but the lake could be situated as neatly somewhere near Scotland

I've also heard that the mill's real counterpart is in GB

[vague imp]

I don’t really see how any other part connects to Britain though

[azure bay]

which exactly?

[surreal pond]

देव - असुर - प्रेत - नरक - तिर्यग्योनि - मानुष.
This really looks like it directly comes from Hindu scupltures

[ebon aspen]

it is hindi indeed

[surreal pond]

yup and i know what exactly it means

God, Demons, Corrupted soul, Hell , Bestiliaty and Humans

[vague imp]

So cool

[surreal pond]

it seems that these series are partially based on black magic and the old belief of travelling in time through 3d objects

[hoary lichen]

Theory: in roots and birthday there’s the same song so like I think there’s a connection or something

Maybe the grandpa is connected to the Vanderboom family? Idk it’s a stretch I just thought it’d be cool if they were connected because of that

[azure bay]

where does the latter come from?

[azure bay]

1. why can't 2 different families have the same tune?
   1a) The one of Vanderbooms' gets broken
2. on the other hand, there are theories that grandpa is Mr. Crow in one way or another

[hoary lichen]

Because it’s weird that two families have a copy of the exact same song record in a videogame world where every detail is important

[azure bay]

believe me, it's debatable

[hoary lichen]

Like oh what if Dale is working of the murder of another person who just happens to be called Laura

And like I said yeah it’s a stretch but it could mean something

[azure bay]

Similar objects may appear for easter egg/consistency sake

[hoary lichen]

True but it only appears twice while other easter eggs appear way more times

And it’s a really specific song it’s not something like a box of matches

[azure bay]

maybe because of the context. Why would you have an old record if you are not old

[hoary lichen]

And again it could be a stretch it could mean something I just wanted to point it out

[hoary lichen]

Because old music is the bomb

[azure bay]

Well, Laura prefers way older music

[hoary lichen]

And?

[azure bay]

therefore, The Lake Suite is not that popular

Grandpa Vandermeer seems to be just nostalgic of his time

& Frank & Rose are from that time

so nothing odd

[hoary lichen]

Idk I find it odd that they chose exactly the same song in exactly the same form in exactly the same timeline in a game filled with important details

I thought that maybe due to the nature of the games there could be something

[azure bay]

it's not. They needed a record, they already had one

no need to invent 2 songs

[hoary lichen]

Man you’re no fun

[azure bay]

Human brains tend to romanticize coincidence

they may be freaking important

but also they may not

you forget about the other side

[hoary lichen]

No I don’t I said the same thing twice

[azure bay]

ok

[hoary lichen]

I didn’t forgor 💀

[azure bay]

my bad

may I give an example?

it's a theory

[hoary lichen]

Yeah go on

[azure bay]

Have you ever heard of The Great Work?

in alchemy that is

[hoary lichen]

Nah

Bro are you going to explain alchemy to me just because I thought using the same song in two games could mean something

[azure bay]

That's just a good theory if no for 1 thing

originally it's about searching for the philosopher's stone

according to believes philosopher's stone has 4 stages

black nigredo, white albedo, golden citrinitas & the final stage - red rubedo

as the golden cube was seemingly named once "the full elixir", that would represent rubedo, people assumed that other cubes are the stages as well

Nigredo turns into albedo via purification

like black cube turning white in Birthday

& so on

[hoary lichen]

So the gold cube isn’t the gold stage?

[azure bay]

not according to the theory

[humble coral]

Bruh are you still talking about where the rusty lake is

[hoary lichen]

Well that’s unsatisfying

[hoary lichen]

Not now

We all know it takes place in our hearts

[covert wyvern]

@humble coral if you'd read like two messages the answer to that comments would become apparent.

[azure bay]

either way

[humble coral]

I didnt fought it would make big of an impact

[humble coral]

The awnser of wich question

[azure bay]

people think that this theory is as fundamental for the lore as samsara theory

[hoary lichen]

Anyways as I was saying the Lake Suite proves that Grandpa is actually Frank and that Frank is actually purple guy and that HE manipulated Albert into killing everyone

[azure bay]

that it defines how the universe works

BUT

unlike samsara, there is no The Great Work terms in every single game

we see mentions of prets on regular basis

but no mentions of nigredo what so ever

[covert wyvern]

I realise ee may be having separate discussions, right now, but I would like to add the concept of a leitmotif does exist so perhaps music does indicate THINGS ™️

[hoary lichen]

Thank you

[azure bay]

The Great Work also exists yet there is no evidence that it's used in RL lore

the only difference is that The Lake Suite doesn't pretend on worldbuilding

[hoary lichen]

The only difference is that The Great Work is for nerds

While The Lake Suite is for cool kids

[azure bay]

what's nerd & what's cool? Who's to define it?

[hoary lichen]

Me

[azure bay]

I'll take that as sarcasm

[covert wyvern]

It definitely is.

And not related to theories!

Do stick to the channel's topic

[hoary lichen]

Sry ):

[azure bay]

personally I can't grant the devs the same level of attention to details as you do because I remember them making mistakes & I know how soft their worldbuilding is

I also used to think that the lore is way smarter than it seems to me now

[hoary lichen]

Anyways what do y’all think about this?
#🩸｜general-chat message

[azure bay]

In The Cave we've seen her direct memories about that

it was before a wall from Seasons

[hoary lichen]

In that case what could her dying in the lake mean?

[covert wyvern]

I think the only instances of her dying in a lake are seen in uh, I wanna say paradox? Which plays out in dales mind

So probably symbolic more than anything.

[azure bay]

to be fair, there was kinda similar scene wa-a-a-ay back in Seasons

after cooking a shrimp we see Laura standing in the water

then we see CS instead

then we see a cube instead

[covert wyvern]

Ah ye, good point.

[azure bay]

for me Dale is the #1 suspect despite Laura welding the knife in the memory mentioned above

with current data, it's either him or her

I mean their CS

And it's hard for me to believe that the CS that was so willing to live that it resurrected itself twice would be the murderer

however, that might be my poor unerstanding of CS as a kind

[covert wyvern]

Lmao ye I personally have my money on the CS, but you make an excellent point. Why go through with resurrection when you're just gonna kill your body again

[azure bay]

I can imagine that William's CS & Laura's are technically different but Laura's CS was also putting effort into reviving itself

[azure bay]

oh damn

I think I can imagine justification of suicide

except for it being so unnaturally painful

that could be due to depression indeed

& CS seen so many times was it's manifestation

like the one of Bob's

or it was just a metaphor

while CS created by Crow isn't

[royal notch]

I think that Laura killed herself. It's also way hard think that Dale killed her. We see that he's a very good man, and he didn't know her before the case.

[azure bay]

I'm talking not about Dale

I'm talking about his CS

even good people may turn corrupted

& do horrible things

& that CS may come from anywhere

Rabbit's sure did

some think that Crow's did

[royal notch]

That's fair, but personally, i think that Bob would have been a way higher probabilty to turn corrupted.

[azure bay]

we pretty much know most of Bob's story

& also we've seen Dale actually using knife

[royal notch]

But only in Paradox.

[azure bay]

isn't it enough?

[royal notch]

Since it's all in his head, it's relatable.

[azure bay]

it's like running a simulation to see what one is capable of

[royal notch]

Or a simulation to give a severe emotional break-down.

[azure bay]

dude

I'm not telling that it was THE reason

it just shows that corrupted Dale wouldn't mind killing Laura after appearing in a familiar way

[royal notch]

We don't have a reason to believe that is talking just about Dale or anyone who is corrupted.

[azure bay]

the fact is

Dale got corrupted

& killed Laura

so

if Dale would go corrupted he'd have probably killed Laura

there's no need to induct it on other CS

[hoary lichen]

Wait so like did corrupt Dale kill Laura originally

I’m really bad with the whole CS thing lol

[azure bay]

That's one of possibilities

& I personally prefer it because it rhymes

[hoary lichen]

I feel that if any CS killed Laura it was the one in CE Lake

Maybe her being killed on the lake actually represents what happened in that game

[royal notch]

Laura, yes, or anyone else! We still have no reasons on why he would have killed SPECIFICLY her!

[azure bay]

because of fate as a reason.
or the metaphor that they may not coexist is wider

or that's a retroactive sacrifice

or Dale's CS is furious because of appearing & Laura is the reason

they are definitely connected in one way or another

there's no need to invent a random CS while we have the one that killed her during simulation

when we get a new suspect I'll be the 1st to reevaluate the whole list

[hoary lichen]

Wait so who’s CS is in Lake and Harvey’s Box

[azure bay]

Some think that the one in HB is of Mrs. Pigeon because of wings & actual pigeon showing up

some translate it over the one in The Lake

[hoary lichen]

Oh that actually makes sense lol

[azure bay]

kind of. that's not as definitive

[hoary lichen]

Although it’s weird that we don’t see the beak

[royal notch]

Probably the idea of the guests came later.

[hoary lichen]

Yeah

[azure bay]

Mr. Deer in Case 23 was actually legit

as it turned out

[hoary lichen]

True

But the cs looks like the one in Hotel

[azure bay]

not really

he looks like regular CS with horns

[hoary lichen]

Wasn’t that how his cs in Hotel looked like

[azure bay]

that was different

no legs, no arms

different horns

different head shape

[hoary lichen]

Oh

Nvm then

Well according to that logic it can’t be Ms Pigeon’s

[azure bay]

the reason I think Deers are the same is Roots poster in RL store

it features additional cameos

like the grandchildren

Mr. Crow in a boat

& all 5 CS

[hoary lichen]

Is a poster canon?

[azure bay]

maybe not entirely

Mr. Crow's human form may look younger when Laura was born

but it's enough for me to make connections between CS

as I was saying, there are all 5 guests

& the only deer has Case 23 design

[hoary lichen]

Wait that’s something else I don’t understand I’m probably missing something very obvious but why does Mr Crow’s human form look different in Mill than in Theater

[azure bay]

it's not that different

[hoary lichen]

The mostache

[azure bay]

they share brows, nose, forehead, ears

the barman looks a lot like Aldous Vanderboom before his initial crow transformation

except for beard

I see 2 reasons for that change between Theatre & Case 23

1. He was gradually getting older & in Theatre that was an illusion

2. He's got suddenly older after Theatre

probably because the elixir finally started wearing off

[hoary lichen]

Makes sense

I just don’t get why they got rid of mostache

Petition to re release Mill and Cave and the only change is that Mr Crow has a mustache

[azure bay]

I'd prefer Mr. Deer returning into his full strength in Case 23

[hoary lichen]

Anyways

True

[azure bay]

he used to be scary as f

why would they remove that?

[hoary lichen]

New theory were we try to figure out why they slightly changed a silhouette

[azure bay]

gradual change of artstyle

[hoary lichen]

Or maybe

Now hear me out

Parallel timelines

[azure bay]

you tell that me? 🙃

[hoary lichen]

Rusty Lake actually takes place in the Rick And Morty universe

[azure bay]

I am the parallel timelines guy here!

[hoary lichen]

What if

The cs is actually a pokemon

And it evolved

Ok on a serious note now

How did Frank’s mom get pregnant

[azure bay]

M-M-M-MAGIC!!!

[high talon]

I have a theory for that lol

[hoary lichen]

She just placed four flowers in a pot

Albert needed a whole lab

We need pregnant albert 🤬

[hoary lichen]

What is it

[high talon]

So!
Rusty Lake couldn't think of a new character, so they used a flower in Frank's fathers place literally "deflowering" Emma which is old timey slang for getting osmeone pregante

so the flowers metaphorical likely a casanova type of man

[hoary lichen]

Makes sense

Alright better question

[azure bay]

I've heard that

[hoary lichen]

How does Albert’s masks work?

What is the point of the mask?

[high talon]

Mostly to hide his scar ig?

[azure bay]

my guess is madness

[hoary lichen]

Is he failing his classes and does he need glasses

He is so mad he just caused snow to happen

[azure bay]

where does it come from?

[high talon]

where does what come from?The theory?the word?

[hoary lichen]

I understand the voodoo dolls because voodoo but the masks are kinda weird how they’re just magic out of nowhere

[azure bay]

the theory ofc. Did you invent it? Did you see it somewhere else?

[hoary lichen]

Unless the masks aren’t literal and I’m just overthinking

[high talon]

I think i saw it somewhere but also spun it into my own hc/theory lowkey?

i dont recall rn sorry my brains all fuzzy since the whole 2020 chaos

[azure bay]

I know a guy who takes it seriously

I didn't ask him the same tho

[high talon]

I mean idc about others theories i wont force it on anyone if thats what you are talking about tho?

i just felt like sharing

[azure bay]

I'm just curious about origins

[high talon]

ah yeah sorry i dont really remember, apologiez head empty

[hoary lichen]

That reminds me of a theory I saw on Frank’s wiki that said that he would be immortal because he drank dog pee and the dog drank the elixir and the elixir extract remains in his body

Idk the account name but you could find the comment if you just look up his wiki

What do y’all think?

[high talon]

@azure bay i only remember seeing smth about the theory i spoke of on Reddit
n hmm could be

[azure bay]

never thought about that

[hoary lichen]

Maybe he will return 😱😱😱😱😱😱

We need more frank 🙏

[high talon]

but it wasnt the full elixir, so i think it was only temporary

[azure bay]

here we go again

[hoary lichen]

Still it’d have some effect

[high talon]

sorry lmao.XD

[hoary lichen]

The “theory” was just the comment pointing out the fact

[high talon]

yeah i wont deny that, it likely gave him something we just don't know what yet

[azure bay]

I'm pretty sure that the only difference between full & not full elixirs is concentration & therefore time of wearing off (technically, yes, Frank would get not full one)

[hoary lichen]

Well he drank it years after mr crow

And for him it seemed to last a long time

And for the dog too like it had been generations and he survived

Or maybe they just made him drink dog pee to add onto the dark nature of the games

[vague imp]

Confused about the degree of independence between the individual and their corrupted soul tbh, wouldn’t they be the same thing basically

I mean I know someone can manifest as just the CS but it’s still the same person right

[azure bay]

I don't recall CS leaving a living body & acting on it's own

[vague imp]

Right, the times they are seen are basically illusion right

[azure bay]

not necessarily

they may be corrupted bodies like Bob

they may be just souls that left their dead bodies like William

& they may come from different time or universe like Rabbit in Hotel

[hoary lichen]

Do y’all think Harvey’s song means anything?

Or maybe it already does and im dummmmm

[royal notch]

I just Say that creating an entire song for a game is an amazing thing, that only Rusty Lake would do.

[hoary lichen]

Ever heard of soundtracks

[royal notch]

This Is an higher art!

[covert wyvern]

Video game osts are not an uncommon thing

I wonder if there's more to the music of RL in general

But I'm not looking to find out

[royal notch]

Then i just love the song!

[hoary lichen]

Vanderboom’s Family Tune my beloved

[cerulean crypt]

But maybe symbols have meanings

[hoary lichen]

True

But in Lake they reveal that the arrow is just a mirrored four

So maybe not

[cerulean crypt]

These symbold we put as codes for entire series

Some of them are mirrored numbers, one is a cube ,.but what about others

[hoary lichen]

Ngl they’re probably just random symbols

Wait

There’s a triangle and a square with a line cutting it through the middle

Laura death reference?

Nah that’s too far fetched

[covert wyvern]

I think the symbols are random, inspired by alchemical symbols, maybe.

[hoary lichen]

But the real question is who plays the piano in Vanderboom’s family tune?

[cerulean crypt]

A cirkle with point inside is symbol of gold

A triangle with line is symbol of air or earth

Depents how triangle is oriented

[covert wyvern]

That checks out^

But I don't thinkall symbols can be brought back to alchemy

[royal notch]

In Paradox, It seems that 3 simbols have their meanings about time.

[humble coral]

i have a shit computer and my stupid sound doesnt work it is super shitty

[hoary lichen]

Ok but do you think Harvey’s song means anything?

[azure bay]

it's Egmont Overture Finale what meaning do you expect it to have?

[hoary lichen]

Idk that’s why I’m asking

[azure bay]

well if you want some meaning it's more reliable to start digging yourself

[hoary lichen]

Yeah but I just wanted to ask here to start a conversation

[azure bay]

I have no idea what to discuss here

[hoary lichen]

Theories

[azure bay]

Built on what?
I've never had any suspicion of something lying beneath that song.

this specific topic has no theories unless you invest 1st

[hoary lichen]

Idk I was just suggesting that it could have a meaning

And thought that maybe someone made a theory on that they’d like to share

[azure bay]

I see no theories now. Even the most hardcore people are silent. And I assume I know why

digging into classic music is not that exciting than digging into Indian myths

or alchemy

[royal notch]

Wait, so this melody wasn't created by the devs?

[covert wyvern]

Apparently not!

I mean most of the early tunes are just dmca safe tunes

[royal notch]

I knew about the suite, but i was sure that this one was created for the game.

[violet vessel]

wait i thought that harvey’s song and “my favorite song” were the same??

also— i’m having my dad play the games and he’s on the first one and he sees harvey and he’s like Oh i cAn cOok that biRD- and i’m just like NOOO

[royal notch]

They are.

[hoary lichen]

Who put the needle in the birthday cake 🤬

My theory is the mom cuz she looks dum

But that’s just a theory

Alright in all seriousness that’s a weird detail that never gets explained

Now that could just be part of the abstract world

But the fact that the dad mentions it is kinda weird

And it’s reminiscent of how in Roots you have to use a record player needle to make Rose bleed

Further strengthening the connection between Birthday and Roots, even if really it’s just the record player

Ig the obvious culprit would be the grandpa because he’s the only one old enough to do something to connect Roots to Birthday but I could just be grabbing at straws

[high talon]

May we remember this is Dale recalling his past as a 9 year old child, i think his memory was just messed up due to the trauma and the needle in the cake was just fiction in reality it was just strawberry flavouring

or smth else red idk what other cake flavourings are red

[hoary lichen]

Dad blood

The best flavor

I mean yeah but I think that the Rusty Lake world is abstract enough that it doesn’t need the “it’s a messed up memory” excuse

[high talon]

i mean it technically is

[hoary lichen]

Like ok was every single other event in Rusty Lake ever a messed up memory

Maybe it’s just a weird world where weird stuff happens for the sake of gameplay

[high talon]

if my parents died on my 9th birthday that would be ✨ trauma i would block out✨

[hoary lichen]

Yeah ik but the same way it could be that it could also just be Rusty Lake logic doing it’s thing

[high talon]

maybe lol

[hoary lichen]

And again, the needle thing is the only weird logic thing that really gets akwnoledged

How tf do I spell that word

Awkdjsjs

[high talon]

it happens n honestly idc ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hoary lichen]

I feel like because of the fact it gets anowledged it maybe possibly means something

Maybe?

Idk

I just like Birthday

[ebon aspen]

The needle thing prolly was an accident
You know, the needle was missing, it would have to be somewhere

[hoary lichen]

True

[high talon]

oh right it was missing!

[grizzled bluff]

To me, I feel like the RL world is one that runs on magical realism and metaphors
Stuff really happens Like That

[high talon]

I forgor about that

[hoary lichen]

Ig maybe the grandpa could’ve been trying to help and accidentally put it in because he’s old and stuff

He kinda seems like the most likely to do a mistake like that

Accident or not the record-player-needle-causing-bleeding-and-also-playing-lake-suite is really similar to Roots

I’ll have to thing about that

[ebon aspen]

Tbh, very unlikely to be a mega-ultra-super-duper connection

Yk, ppl have music players

[hoary lichen]

Yeah and people hold roses but the russian doll from Case 23 was the mom from Paradise

[grizzled bluff]

Lies

[ebon aspen]

Well, she was in that book too, so ig carol eilander was the big boss back on her days

[hoary lichen]

Yeah

What I mean is that what can seem like coincidences can be actual connections

And like in Roots The Lake Suite came out of nowhere

The only song referenced before was Family Tune

The fact that the developers put that specific song out of nowhere seems kinda fishy

And it’s especially weird that it only appears in two games

So it’s not like a regular easter egg

[ebon aspen]

well, lets consider it is indeed a connection

what would it mean?

[hoary lichen]

Idk but it’s cool

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[ebon aspen]

oh i see

[hoary lichen]

I think that somehow Grandpa had a connection with the Vanderbooms

Maybe he IS Mr Crow and took the same record they had because of nostalgia

It doesn’t have to be a complex answer or anything I just feel like there is some kind of connection

If anything this could just work as evidence to the whole “grandpa is Mr Crow” theory

Speaking of which what do y’all think is up with the grandpa?

Because something is definitely up with him

[azure bay]

I think I can explain this one

The biggest doll isn't directly Caroline but The Lady of The Lake seen on the painting in the same game

But later on that character got more of background

So it's Caroline now

[floral mauve]

its kinda funny that Ms Pheasant was playing as her mother in Theatre

Btw

a small Easter egg that I just read online

indicates the location of the lake

in the painting of the lady of the lake

The author is called Lacus Fleo

Lacus means lake

so its like Lake Fleo

Its Lake Flevo I believe from Netherlands

(its just the context of the devs, not necessarily to be the real location of the lake in this universe)

[azure bay]

Technically, Caroline was Elizabeth's mother

But not the mother of her past or future forms that we know about

[hoary lichen]

Yeah I doubt an owl was the mother of a Pheasant

[floral mauve]

yep

But still correlates

[azure bay]

Which owl?

[floral mauve]

the holy nowherecaw, what do you think of the location

(Did someone mention this before?I havent talked in this server for at least 2.5 weeks)

Also, I finally understand the ending of paradox(golden cube one)

I now agree that this is the true ending

Dale decided to sacrifice himself to save Laura, then he received the golden cube

HE HAS REACHED THE HIGHER CONSCIOUSNESS

He is ready to rule the lake I suppose

even though past is not gonna change(in this timeline)

He sorted out his memories to be relieved

[azure bay]

Actually, Dale sacrificing himselfs contradicts Dale ruling the lake

[floral mauve]

emmmmmm why though

he tried already

thats why he is relieved

he did every possibility to save Laura

[azure bay]

"one of us will die, another will find enlightenment, make your move"

[floral mauve]

I think its just the last chanllenge of his elevator journey

isnt it?

To test the true Dale move

his personality

altruism

[azure bay]

Who does test him?

[floral mauve]

Mr Owl

the quality to be the ruler of the lake I suppose

[azure bay]

I couldn't imagine less altruistic person on Earth

[floral mauve]

(The purpose of the elevator Journey)

[floral mauve]

yes

[floral mauve]

this is wrong

just to sort out his fear, to cure his fked up mind

[azure bay]

Let's take a closer look to Paradox endings

They are independent from one another. What's more both seem final, they both don't start a new cycle

[floral mauve]

thats why green vial doesnt start a new cycle

it seems to be the end

after all

He reached the higher consciousness

[azure bay]

He reached it in Theatre

Paradox was about reflecting the past & the future then making a choice

[floral mauve]

Yes

To see his move

Altruism

Yes

[azure bay]

Sorry, but no evidence of that

[floral mauve]

That’s the whole purpose I see there

Between save another person and sacrifice yourself

The only point demonstrated here is altruism

[azure bay]

It's demonstrated only in one ending

The other has no apparent connections to it

[floral mauve]

True

The other two are just cycles

Which aren’t endings I suppose

[azure bay]

I mean the golden cube one

[floral mauve]

Oh

Did I get confused lol

[azure bay]

It just declares the start of Dale's final journey

& Bday with Theatre are parts of it

[floral mauve]

Nvm you seem to be right

[vapid portal]

whats up im new here lol but i love rusty lake and the theories around it bc they're very entertaining to read and think about

anyways im here cause yall seem pretty smart and ive been trying to figure what this note in the secret achievement in the cave means

please help lol

[hoary lichen]

🤔

Well it’s a four digit code

The only thing I could think of is a safe combination

[ebon aspen]

Oh no the reubtmoce again
Basically (at least as far as i know) ppl been struggling to discover what all this stuff means since the collection came out and nobody got anywhere

Maybe is smth for upcoming games, but for now is just a big enigma

Considering the avhievement name and the golden cube there, prolly smth about the series endgame

(Or maybe someone discovered what it means and forgot to talk about it)

[royal notch]

In my opinion, the hotel key with the 6 could mean that, during that week of the 1893, there was another guest staying in the hotel.

[covert wyvern]

an interesting concept.

I assumed the hotel key belongs to the "golden cube hotel"

[azure bay]

I've got somewhere

[covert wyvern]

and i dont think our regular Hotel on the lake is named that way?

Im still very much afgraid of Reubtmoce

cube metro?

[royal notch]

I'm talking about the Rusty Lake Hotel.

[azure bay]

yeah, not the revelation we'd expect

[covert wyvern]

I realise! and I like your take.

I just assume the key and card belong together.

[royal notch]

IF the car is of an hotel.

[azure bay]

I assume all these objects being separately connected to Laura

[royal notch]

The golden timepiece, for sure.

[azure bay]

she also could be the one to reside in the room 6

during her 1969 stay

[covert wyvern]

very fair.

[royal notch]

It can be. It's me that i'm starting to make crazy thought about the coincidence about the number.

[azure bay]

which number?

[azure bay]

what's the coincidence?

[royal notch]

The fact that she could have had any room and then any number.

It can literally be a coincidence, eh, but, at Rusty Lake...

[azure bay]

what's the coincidence?

what's so unique about this number?

[royal notch]

Dude! The fact that the guests in 1893 had 5 rooms, from 1 to 5!

[covert wyvern]

Mhm, yes. but that's the problem, isn't it

6 could either be the key to Owls room, or just a key belonging to a different hotel.

are there more 6s in RL we should take into account?

[azure bay]

I wouldn't give a number to Owl's private room

it makes no sense

[royal notch]

I think that Mr Owl's room is "Private".

Like in any other hotel.

[azure bay]

yeah, the problem is, it would bare number 6 by topology. And it does in subtitles

[covert wyvern]

I do agree with this.

[floral mauve]

What if Owl just moved out of the hotel for a while after his massacre. In order to maximize his revenue, he decided to change his room into the sixth hotel room (plus it doesn’t seem like Mr Owl lives in that room)

[azure bay]

Usually I don't believe what we see

I mean

Some things make no sense

[high talon]

The owls are not what they seem

[azure bay]

like just 6 rooms being present in that huge hotel

while there are many more key slots

[floral mauve]

His private room is simply his smoking room and a failed dungeon for the CS

[azure bay]

that doesn't necessarily mean he had nowhere to sleep there

[floral mauve]

Emmmm interestingly in their website their mini game shows the position of each guests in hotel

[azure bay]

is it reliable?

[floral mauve]

I wouldn’t risk myself to sleep there while watched by 5 ghosts

[azure bay]

fair enough

[floral mauve]

(Does he even sleep anyway????

[vapid portal]

idk if this is useful but in roots we see six hybrids statues (mr rabbit, mr boar, mr deer, ms pigeon, ms pheasant and mr crow) when james discovers the cave underneath his house

[floral mauve]

I see no link between the guests and Aldous

(It might prove that Aldous might know Mr Owl)

[hoary lichen]

Aldous is Mr Crow I’m pretty sure he does know Mr Owl

[cerulean crypt]

He even says that in roots

[floral mauve]

yep

But my focus is on the relationship between Aldous and the guests

[glacial totem]

cube... cube cube metro

cube escape metro

[azure bay]

At most I'd expect that piece of paper being a subway ticket

[night forge]

Something I find mysterious is that the personalities of the guests of the hotel don't seem to match the personalities of the Eilander family.

Like for example, Grandma Margaret & Ms. Pidgeon seem like two completely different people

Mr. Boar and Uncle Gerard seem similar tho

[azure bay]

I agree.

I explain that by comparing it with William-Laura case

they were reborn more manually than Crow or Owl

At least I think so

that could be the reason of memory loss

which means loss of personality

[night forge]

Hm, that's true

They seem to have no recollection of who Mr. Owl is, either

[azure bay]

honestly, I don't think they would. They were likely killing Jacob & did not expect him to ascend

[floral mauve]

I tend to think that they reincarnated into the guests and wiped out their memories as well

[hoary lichen]

Yeah that’s likely

[floral mauve]

Mr rabbit(white) is an exception

Btw I read a theory recently

D Eilander was super sneaky

He may fake his death using brown rabbit

Whereas he is the white rabbit

[azure bay]

I think he became that exception after Harvey killed him.

[azure bay]

where did you get it from?

[floral mauve]

A theory from a RL community

[azure bay]

I mean on what media?

[floral mauve]

Does that matter

[azure bay]

not for theorizing but personally for me

I'd appreciate having more theory sources

[floral mauve]

Dm

[floral mauve]

Why though

Harvey is just a sneaky rat, he barely knows magic

[azure bay]

Harvey has nothing to do with Rabbit's memories

but c-souls & the lake does

[floral mauve]

?

Explain pls

[azure bay]

Let's take Laura's example

After corruption she had no memories

they belonged to the lake from then on

& were used for the golden cube

Play Roots or The Cave

back to the topic

In Seasons Laura once again had her hands on her memories

That could be the case for Rabbit

And alongside them he could retrieve David's memories as well

The thing many tend to overlook is Rabbit's will to ?balance? the substance of his past lives & escape his state

that makes sense the most in case he's somehow still a CS

I think everyone gets to the samsara room every time they are reborn

[floral mauve]

A rational CS

[azure bay]

Laura became pretty rational closer to winter

William was

Caroline definitely was

[floral mauve]

Btw the winter of Laura

According to one theory

Was the consequence after the green vial

[azure bay]

Yeah, I thought about that

I like the idea

yet no proof for now

[floral mauve]

Well at least that balance the possibility that Dale may sacrifice or not

Before I think the rate of him obtain the gold cube is much higher

[azure bay]

you mean probability?

[floral mauve]

Yea

[simple rain]

hello! as i said in general, a while ago i wrote up a little proposed timeline for every event in the rusty lake/cube escape series (with my theories as to what the more vague ones indicate) and i'm interested in what you all think!

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-04f3ovy7ue9ZQOIHtE5MWtqtcqTbEhtjr6aM7pG2Wg/edit?usp=sharing

[azure bay]

well, that seems a lot to read but I'm on it

[gentle barn]

thank you for sharing

[azure bay]

1. What do you mean by “The memories preserve the lake, the bodies preserve immortality”?
2. Actually, Caroline asks to sacrifice her instead before sending Jacob away.
3. The reason behind plagues is currently unclear. I’d like to discuss it.
4. Only Gerard was confirmed dead. Everyone else including Nicolas are debatable.
5. Caroline is not confirmed to have an owl form. It’s not usual for corrupted souls.
6. Caroline’s cellar seems to be accessible for all the family. They’ve already worn the masks that are kept there after her death.
7. Actually there were 2 separate rituals to take place: one of Eilanders’ & one of Caroline’s.
8. There is no evidence of Caroline’s presence in Mr. Owl whatsoever.
9. I’d call that the Vanderboom brothers’ research since William is believed to be the last creator.
10. No evidence of bird-like corrupted soul belong to Crow. No evidence of alchemy teachings – mostly voodoo.
11. You speak about Harvey killing the guests as an act of revenge. I tend to disagree because Owl has no reasons for that. He was the one to win after all.
12. Guests’ memories were primarily used to foresee the future about Owl’s successor.
13. The guests have escaped only a year later.
14. Emma’s search has started several years before Hotel events.
15. Notably, Sam & Ida had son BEFORE their marriage. I assume he was born during her travel & only several years after she has returned to create a proper family.
16. Several years have passed between Frank’s rescue & his confrontation to Albert. I assume Rose has been hiding him until he gets stronger & Albert gets weaker.

17. I’m sure Rose is Laura’s actual biological mother since it took some time for ritual to work & Rose spent all of it inside the clock.
18. No evidence of Crow contacting Laura.
19. Harvey’s immortality is seemingly disproved in The Mill. The parrot seemed to be in danger near the end.
20. What’s more, Laura seemed to be already dead at the time. The knife was covered in blood, the parrot replicated the scream, the newsflash was talking about the incident & the funeral card was already present.
21. Sarah is not a doctor. She’s just a nurse.
22. Dale shows no interest in Bob at all. His mind was occupied by the lake & his office was filled with evidence concerning it exclusively. I think he visited the theater either randomly or because it had “Rusty Lake” in its title.
23. Many months have passed between Bob’s shot & his presumed interrogation in PD.
24. The vision of TLS club seems to take place right after the shot.
25. There was no reason for ironing out Laura’s mental health. She was dead.
26. Crow was SUPPOSED to extract ALL the memories. The only thing he’s done wrong, he wasn’t careful enough.
27. The old lady in The Mill is Crow’s wife. That was confirmed in the updated synopsis posted on RL instagram. (And yeah, no evidence of her sewing Crow’s mouth)
28. The Cave is NOT Caroline’s cellar. They are situated in different locations: one is under the island, the other one is under the mainland.
29. Theatre teaches Dale not about history but rather about the universe & its samsara laws.
30. TWD takes place right after Case 23 while The Cave is several months later.
31. The Sarah’s level & ending are not confirmed to take place after the main one. It could take place instead of them since it’s called “The Alternative”.
32. Once again, no strong evidence of Crow being involved in Seasons. The voice in the phone could be of her future-self.
33. The events of 2000 & 2020 depicted in the ARG are missing.

[hoary lichen]

Wait didn’t Crow contact Laura in Seasons

The telephone had his voice

[azure bay]

this voice is associated with corrupted souls more

[hoary lichen]

Idk I always thought it was Crow

[vapid portal]

yeah me too

[hoary lichen]

He also speaks like that in the mill

And in Birthday possibly?

[vapid portal]

i thought those were his main phrases lol

[hoary lichen]

But I feel like the Mill confirms it in a way

[azure bay]

he did not tell 2 things heard in Seasons

[hoary lichen]

I mean he doesn’t have to always say the same four things

He’s not a robot

Or is he?? 😱

[azure bay]

well then

the line "find me in the past" has nothing to do with Crow at all

because we find Laura then

[hoary lichen]

But it’s true that in Paradise the voice is used for the mom’s soul so

[hoary lichen]

True

Idk I just always thought it was crow

[azure bay]

me too

but, as I think about it, Laura speaking from winter is more probable

since the winter Laura has nothing to hear

& creates a strange temporal machine instead

[hoary lichen]

🤔

But then why does Mr Crow sound like that in Mill

[azure bay]

because his mouth was sewed?

[hoary lichen]

Is that how people sound with a sewed mouth?

🤨

[azure bay]

I guess it's the best they had at the time

[hoary lichen]

Lol

[azure bay]

because ever since Mr. Crow had no confirmed problems with his voice

[hoary lichen]

I always just thought that his voice changed throughout the games the same way the art style slightly changed

It was just something that changed because Rusty Lake was improving their craft

[azure bay]

(or they got resources for more voice actors)

[hoary lichen]

Yeah

[azure bay]

I assume that Mr. Crow got the same voice originally for the vibe sake

they had a strange voice on the phone once

They wanted to reuse it

(& did the same several time after)

I wouldn't be surprised if Mr. Crow was invented after the voice was used in Case 23

[floral mauve]

remember those weird voices are specially for CS only

Mr Crow is not a CS

[hoary lichen]

Ok I just thought it was him because he sounds like that in the Mill

[floral mauve]

I think the devs actually posted how they made those voices

I think they play the voice of CS in reverse and somehow form those sentences

tbh when I first play it, the call in seasons does make me think of Mr Crow, but his reaction in the Mill was kinda contradictive

he didnt know The woman

in Mill

btw, I would like to share another weird theory I just read

Harvey might be the father of Frank

because he is associated with flowers

and helped to deliver Emma´s letter

(I might be crazy but why does it make slight sense to me)

[strange schooner]

Who is the plague doctor from Paradise?

[real lantern]

Probably just a random plague doctor

[ebon aspen]

Nicholas iirc

[real lantern]

Oh is it? I didnt remember lmao

[cerulean crypt]

Well, there is no Nicholas in that plague
So possibly he can be doctor

[azure bay]

For what reason, I wonder?

His role is mostly passive

He just consults Jacob about cure

Why to wear the custume then?

[cerulean crypt]

IDK
Protection

[azure bay]

That's what bothers me

He doesn't even contact Gerard

Jacob does

& Jacob doesn't seem to wear that mask

& even if he secretely does, Margaret doesn't for sure

[azure bay]

better move it to #🦞｜rusty-memes

or even #🛖｜the-cabin

[hoary lichen]

Fineeeee

[azure bay]

not that I care much

But mods may hurt you

[covert wyvern]

no, no I really wasn;'t going too.

I think the gifs uncalled for, but otherwise its not off topic completely.

I doubt "just cosplaying" is the truth, though.

[azure bay]

Why do I keep thinking that there's still a hope?

neither do I

what was your message back then?

that's the common consensus

most of the community believes in that

including myself what's rare

well, what is it now?

honestly, there are some problems with that

we have not seen them transform. That's why some don't connect them & wonder what's the deal of these 5 recurring animals

she was hiding from the fly-man

that's a parallel

one of many

[cerulean crypt]

pot wasn't on fire

[azure bay]

& not the most obvious one

[azure bay]

it eventually was

[cerulean crypt]

not until jackob light the fire

[azure bay]

We also have Nicolas drinking blood, David performing magic tricks, Mr. Rabbit achievement for the plague about him, & Mr. Boar one for the plague about Gerard &, most notably, Gerard asking for toilet paper

that's not that strange since that was his mask

the mask could be the sole reason

the mask being a reason for his future form is technically independent from what he's saying

those 2 events may have the same reason

but also may not

for me the final straw that drew the straight line between David & both Mr. Rabbits was Paradox

all the others followed him by association

1stly I have never thought that there must be only 1 Mr. Rabbit in all the universe

I'm pretty sure that there are tons of unnamed Mr. Rabbits doing their everyday stuff behind the scene

so I wasn't sure if the brown Mr. Rabbit & the white one were the same person or at least creature

not until Paradox ch2 named the character

that was D. Eilander

the only D that we know is David

if David is still somehow alive & still looks like a rabbit, therefore all the others should've been at some point as well

& the best point is Hotel

There are 5 asuras that are good candidates for former Eilanders

I repeat

We had 1 Eilander being reborn as his totem animal

therefore we expect to get 4 more

we already have them

We expect all 5 Eilanders being reborn as their totemic counterparts

Because we've confirmed to have one of them

therefore, probability of guests being former Eilanders increases

even tho they were never called Eilanders

that's it

Mr. Rabbit in Bday being named Eilander is kinda evidence of the guests being Eilanders

unless you try to further separate 2 different looking Rabbits

which seems unjustified in my book

[floral mauve]

its just occured to me that why cant the rabbit CS be like other guests, completely black

like in birthday outside the window of Dale

it must mean something

[azure bay]

not really

[floral mauve]

I think all of the CS are completely black

except Mr Rabbit

which is very sus

[azure bay]

I've seen a costume Mr. Rabbit's CS design could be inspired by

[floral mauve]

?

[azure bay]

Nymla.se

that's the artist

She also has Boar masks that look a lot like Gerard's one in Paradise

[floral mauve]

but it still doesnt explain why CS rabbit has a white face

[floral mauve]

this may explain the design of David´s mask

[azure bay]

what I'm trying to say, a different look of Mr. Rabbit doesn't have to be explained by anything but creepy design

[floral mauve]

nonono, thats not what I wanted to say

I just dont understand why rabbit has a specific white face in CS form

why not all shadowed

like others

[azure bay]

once again, it could be just because it looks cool

[floral mauve]

[floral mauve]

seriously???

[azure bay]

why not?

I'm not telling that it's confirmed

I'm just reviewing possibilities

[floral mauve]

its just unlike others

Rabbit

and it turns out that he really is different than others

[azure bay]

they are all unique in a way

most of them don't have flashing particles

[floral mauve]

the other four didnt know(yet) about their pre incarnation staff

[azure bay]

we don't know a thing about them

[floral mauve]

yep

[azure bay]

For me Mr. Rabbit in Bday is time traveler from the future

others may be either more or less successful

[floral mauve]

why from the future

not just drive by in a car after released from hotel

earlier than others

and thats also a sus point

Rabbit came out earlier than other 4

[covert wyvern]

im in agreement with this.

then again, i believe Mr. Rabbit to be Dale from a "failed" timeline.

I shall now shut up bc I cant explain further, i have ace attorney to play instead

[floral mauve]

???

mod is a different breed

[covert wyvern]

okay a quick word: I believe the games take place on different timelines.

[azure bay]

not seeing him there doesn't mean he was absent. Because after Bday we've seen him under the lake along with the others while he's expected to succeed before Dale's return

[covert wyvern]

that is al

all*

[azure bay]

Mr. Rabbit is still named D. Eilander

[floral mauve]

oh damn thats true

you big brain

well he might take a taxi and come back to RL

[azure bay]

once again, he's expected to "escape his state"

he doesn't have to return

[floral mauve]

he may fail

like he still needs more substance

similar to pheasant

[azure bay]

we know nothing about that

[floral mauve]

He may need his magical David frog style belt, etc. jk

[azure bay]

If the songstress is Pheasant's future form indeed, she's already succeeded. Her play was just a play.

[floral mauve]

if he cant obtain some of the substances, he cant balance anything nor escape the state

[azure bay]

he seems so determined I'd bet on his success if not for Vandermeer the gunslinger

there are relevant exclusively for Paradox

[floral mauve]

wait...let me get this clear. the Eilanders want to be enlightened, then got killed to become CS, after that the Eilanders would rather go back to human form again

LMAO

thats kinda sad

[azure bay]

samsara doesn't tell that you are to go just 1 form lower

[floral mauve]

they actually got 1 form lower overall

[azure bay]

that's not mmo rpg lvling system

[floral mauve]

lol

it is kinda

in the religious samsara

three good forms and three bad forms

(glorious forms and disgrace forms)

glorious ones: deva, asura, man
disgrace: animal, preta, naraka

so technically they got worse

[azure bay]

true but it's not like you are going through the wheel gradually. You may jump into whatever realm depending on your karma. In Rusty Lake karma is just replaced with special conditions.

[floral mauve]

yes

[floral mauve]

karma only happens when you start your birth

like out of the womb

[azure bay]

wdym?

[floral mauve]

after that, you follow the order

[floral mauve]

its like you first randomly spawn

relying on your karma

[azure bay]

what order?

[floral mauve]

then you are a part of the wheel

that is in order

[azure bay]

wrong you are. theoretically you are able to gain enough of good or bad karma to be reborn in any other form

[floral mauve]

yes

[azure bay]

during a single life

[floral mauve]

thats why firstly you born relying on your karma

of the previous life

buddhism staff

[azure bay]

I don't get where we disagree at

[floral mauve]

me neither

BRUH

[azure bay]

I though you were trying to tell that you can lvlup or lvldown everytime you are reborn just 1 step at the time

[floral mauve]

nah

its depends on your karma level in the previous life

however, as an animal, you can save enough karma in one life to become deva

[azure bay]

then I don't understand why the guests are meant to become humans

[floral mauve]

so its still like 1 step

[floral mauve]

I didnt say that

read it again

I said they got killed and become preta

which is worse than human

[azure bay]

ah

I get it now

[floral mauve]

so they want to return to human

CORRUPTED SOUL: Become human

[azure bay]

yes, & what does confuse you?

[floral mauve]

nah

I though what confuses you

lol

there were some misunderstanding but I think we are fine

in a clear path

[humble coral]

is youre project already out over where the rusty lake is

[azure bay]

Technically it has been for long time. I just need to translate it in english.

The problem is, these several weeks are extreme for me for personal reasons

[high talon]

i would help but idk what language youre translating it from

[azure bay]

I'd prefer to do it myself

The text is still mine after all

But thx for suggestion

[humble coral]

Ok hope you will be good

[azure bay]

No worries 😉

[floral mauve]

yesterday I replayed Theatre and I realised something

fish is actually the representation of animal in samsara

so Mr Owl will eventually devolve????

thats kinda sad

or happy

From Asura to Animal

big leap I guess

(at least he will be free from the responsibility of the lake)

(Maybe he will live in the lake as a FISH)

[azure bay]

he has already devolved an infinite amount of times

& will devolve an infinite amount of times in the future

evolve as well

[floral mauve]

?

explain pls

[nocturne yarrow]

I don't remember any references to devolution until Paradox, which tells me it hasn't happened before as far as we can tell.

[cerulean crypt]

Harvey

Harvey goes from Asura to animal

[nocturne yarrow]

fair point, fair point. I still don't get what nowherecaw was talking about though.

[royal notch]

That wasn't because of Samsara. It has been a case of "resurrection", in a different form.

[floral mauve]

Yes

Damn the bois are back together

Harvey is more like reborn but kept with same memories