🤔｜theories

[stable wigeon]

no solid proof though obviously but still jungian psychology was mentioned in TWD website so i would think collective conscious would have to be somehow relevant

[royal notch]

Anyway, time to go to bed for me. See you tomorrow!

[stable wigeon]

see ya

bruh what happened to my message smh

o i edited instead of replied

[azure bay]

Dam... I seem to forget a good question from some previous discussions

@stable wigeon do you have some unanswered questions? I collect those time to time

Helps me comprehend my situation with understanding the lore

[stable wigeon]

yes actually

if i recall

you believe RL follows chronoclasm?

@azure bay

[azure bay]

Nah

[stable wigeon]

oh ok

nm then

[azure bay]

I rather tend to think of a multiverse

It's the least messy time travel theory

[stable wigeon]

yes but

[azure bay]

(& lets everyone be happy) :з

[stable wigeon]

lol i agree

there is definitely multiverse involved

but i tend to think there is a bit of plastic history in that

the narrative only follows one timeline

if it didnt then it would be a mess

[azure bay]

It might just focus on the most successful timeline & then follow Dale to the one where he saved his parents

[stable wigeon]

yea

but what is the medium via which

we see the multiple timelines in paradox

presuming it is indeed "real"

[azure bay]

Paradox seems to be rather recursive & the only versions of Dale that create the paradox are corrupted

[stable wigeon]

even dearhead?

[azure bay]

Dunno

[stable wigeon]

i wonder what causes it tho

[azure bay]

I can just tell that corrupted Dale is able to see all the iterations at once & they all seem to go one after another

[stable wigeon]

it is the only time we have seen something like that

[stable wigeon]

wait why do u say this

[azure bay]

What's the matter?

[stable wigeon]

why do you say corrupted dale sees all iterations

[azure bay]

Maybe not all

But a lot of them

[stable wigeon]

why do you say that though

oh u mean in the player?

[azure bay]

His way has crossed with the ones of many versions of himself. & normal Dale has encountered only the corrupted one

Like CS sees everyone

[stable wigeon]

ohhh

[azure bay]

& everyone see only CS

[stable wigeon]

so ch 2 is cs

ch 1 is human?

sorry i forgot

[azure bay]

The paradox is normal Dale watching corrupted himself killing Laura

[stable wigeon]

right right

then we see that in first person

i still cant think of the motive for this seeing as laura is supposedly already dead right?

or does he have to kill all iterations of laura or something?

[azure bay]

I think no

Dale somehow makes her live by sacrificing himself

[stable wigeon]

in cave she is a CS

mostly

that iteration she died then right? the only time we previously saw her as a CS is when her dead memories are extracted

[azure bay]

I guess, he could retroactively rewrite the history in a way that he commits suicide & she lives

[stable wigeon]

that could explains

[azure bay]

Maybe corrupted Dale was actually the murderer

However, these statements have no real evidence to support them

Another possibility is Dale's sacrifice making Seasons possible

Sadly, I don't currently have enough time to think how these assumptions work with the bigger picture

& I'd prefer to start with the earlier games

[stable wigeon]

not in the seasons timeline.....?

remember the cave

[azure bay]

The Cave could also mean possession of Laura by a different CS

[stable wigeon]

is that possible

can someone elses CS possess you?

[azure bay]

Maybe

Maybe not

The suicide is weird for 2 reasons

[stable wigeon]

also is that how possesion works?

i dont recall ever seeing a CS control a living body

[azure bay]

1. cutting throat is not a usual way of suicide
2. Both William & Laura put a great effort into getting back to life

[azure bay]

William could be regarded in that way

[stable wigeon]

hmm

u right

[azure bay]

I want you to remember that these are also interpretations

[stable wigeon]

but doesnt make more sense for Laura's CS is the one involved?

in seasons

well ok

nevermknd that

the thing is

i am not inclined to believe that dale CS killing laura in paradox is the same in seasons

it happens at a different setting

it seems to be represented as its own event

[azure bay]

Paradox could indeed reflect the reality.

[stable wigeon]

but she was already dead

thats why i think we are talking a different laura

like u said

possibly one which dale sacrificed himself

i always found that noose in ch 2 interesting

[azure bay]

I also see a way of paradox being not limited to Dale's mind.

The paradox in global sense could take place when a corrupted Dale possessed Laura & made her killed herself while another Dale started his investigation

[stable wigeon]

yes that is what i think too

i dont think it is taking place in his mind

well technically perhaps

but the events are real events

that have happened/are happening/will happen

[azure bay]

Ok. I guess it's time for me to sleep

Cya

[stable wigeon]

gn

[floral mauve]

so there is the fucked up part, is CS formed from a cube or a kind of traditional soul form that comes from someone else's body

thats why I have several thought about classifying different type of CS

[cerulean crypt]

Corupted body, corupted soul , cotupted person?

[floral mauve]

yes!

thats my classification

However, the great nowherecaw disagree with the corrupted dead body part

I think Laura is special

[cerulean crypt]

But we see Lauras body become corupted

[floral mauve]

yes

basically we can describe it in a easy way

CS is like some sort of layer

like venom

[cerulean crypt]

But Guests , they don't have body, there is only soul

[floral mauve]

exactly

they are cubes

[cerulean crypt]

Guests are cubes with layer around them?

[floral mauve]

nah

I think they are just cubes that has been treated by Mr Owl in a special or accidental way

because normally black cubes dont just form a damn CS out of it

also, a person can produce more than one black cube

how there isnt more than 5 guests

might dublicate

[cerulean crypt]

Maybe other guest leave the hotel alive?

[floral mauve]

no I mean how there arent like 5 Mr Deer

since a person can produce more than 1 black cube

[cerulean crypt]

Maybe this cubes was concentrated?

[floral mauve]

maybe

[cerulean crypt]

and they were more powerfu;

[floral mauve]

but I thought cube is solid

[cerulean crypt]

and that could possibly lead to breakout

[floral mauve]

you cant just fuse cubes

or can you

[cerulean crypt]

But it can be denser

maybe cubes are not so dense

also some cubes are bigger

[floral mauve]

true

[cerulean crypt]

in Games cubes are similar size to Rubic Cube

in Live action they are bigger

[floral mauve]

I more believe that the black cubes that have been activated can form a CS

for example, activated like drop in the lake, or collect other black cubes and make it denser

but its just interpretation

I still believe that Laura is different

especially her body

she was made by a tree

maybe that can keep her corrupted soul still attached to her body

[azure bay]

Is Frank special?

[stable wigeon]

but isnt every cs special lol

i.e bob

all the hotel guests are theirbown thing

ig bob is like dale kinda?

[azure bay]

He thinks that Laura is the biggest exception

[stable wigeon]

i see where hes coming from

tbh

i believe in the corrupted body bit

not the corrupted person bit

a cs IS its own person

unless its not

i.e. hotel guests

[azure bay]

I effectively see no difference in abilities of souls & bodies

[stable wigeon]

yes i agree

was that a counterargument? im confused lol

[azure bay]

At least in the past he anticipated Laura being an artificial human that was the only one to become a corrupted body after death

These 2 traits of seeming uniqueness makes him think that they are connected

[stable wigeon]

so are we distinguishing corrupted bodies and corrupted souls?

[azure bay]

It's debatable

[stable wigeon]

indeed

[azure bay]

But for now I see no reason to do so

[stable wigeon]

i always associate the source of corruption with a black cube

[floral mauve]

I think Laura still has her CS in her body

[stable wigeon]

actually

[floral mauve]

like soul

[azure bay]

I think everyone has

[stable wigeon]

^

[floral mauve]

not the guests

[stable wigeon]

it seems this way

[floral mauve]

they left the bodies

in the form of the cube

[stable wigeon]

everyone who is emotionally unstavle

oh right yes

i i thought he meant every person has a CS in them

[floral mauve]

I meant dead ppl

[stable wigeon]

not the other way around

[floral mauve]

she is made of a damn tree using the sacrifice of the entire clan

[stable wigeon]

lol

[floral mauve]

she is the only dead body inside the game that has become a CS

[stable wigeon]

a body is a body

Bob?

[floral mauve]

like a parasite

[floral mauve]

he is still alive

he is like Dale

[stable wigeon]

hes both

[floral mauve]

partially corrupted

[azure bay]

ok, you made me move to the desktop

[stable wigeon]

bro he shot himself in the head

[floral mauve]

he didnt die

he is in TWD

[azure bay]

he could

[cerulean crypt]

Bob is still alive

[stable wigeon]

i think

here is the blurry line between dead and alive

what happens after you die?

[floral mauve]

bruh, nothing even shows that he shot himself tbh

[stable wigeon]

whatever happens after you die didnt happen to bob

[floral mauve]

he doesnt have a permanent hole on his head afterwards

[stable wigeon]

yes but again idk

[floral mauve]

Mr Crow's special hallucinate blood Mary

[stable wigeon]

since twd is from his prespective i take it with a grain of salt

[azure bay]

Bob could die, go corrupted & then be intact after corruption is gone (we don't see a slice on Laura's throat when her corruption goes away for a moment)
Bob's shot could be either non-lethal (as it happens sometimes) or even an illusion

[floral mauve]

yes

[stable wigeon]

yes this is something i was thinking

[azure bay]

What I want to say

that's all interpretations

based on different fact

[floral mauve]

but the thing is do we know how Laura died at the begining?

[stable wigeon]

yes

[azure bay]

more or less

[floral mauve]

killed by a CS, suicide?

[stable wigeon]

i see the cave as irrefutable evidence

suicide

[azure bay]

that could be controled by a CS

[stable wigeon]

i think paradox was a different timeline

maybe

[azure bay]

I think not in that way

[floral mauve]

she was depressed as f, she could kill herself tbh

[stable wigeon]

i dont think it matters if it was under her control or not tbh

[azure bay]

people don't usually slice their throats even for suicide sake

what's more, both William & Laura wanted to live while being corrupted

[floral mauve]

true

she coud have overdose prozac

[stable wigeon]

true true

prozac very interesting

science in a game of fantasy

[azure bay]

I want to return to CS

[stable wigeon]

yes srry

[floral mauve]

none of other CS went into a dead body and walks with it

maybe Bob is the case, even though I thought he is still alive while walking as a CS

[stable wigeon]

again i think it is possible bob did but i see how

i see how it seems unlikely

[floral mauve]

its like a cursed iron man

someone wears a CS

whereas a dead person wears a CS

its different

[stable wigeon]

wym

by person

oh nmn

[floral mauve]

I think Bob still has a chance to become uncorrupted whereas Laura barely has any changce since her uncorrupted side is dead

[stable wigeon]

i get it

yes i agree

unless

sorry i wont say it again lol

[floral mauve]

its like two power inside your body

[stable wigeon]

ye i see that too

[floral mauve]

a dead ironman but with a moving armor

[stable wigeon]

cs manifests from black cube and can take over the body

[floral mauve]

thats the case I saw

[floral mauve]

probably

but I am not sure

I think its not like take over body

it exists inside the body

like some kinda hidden force

[stable wigeon]

well

that depends if youre talking about lauea or dale/bob

right

also rq about bob

[floral mauve]

well...yeah

[stable wigeon]

i dont think shooting himself was a hallucination in any way

he could have lived possibly due to the cs

[azure bay]

1. I see no reasons to diversify CS as they all act pretty similarly when unleashed.
2. They also all seem to be caused by negativity=black cube in one way or another. Everyone has a potential to corrupt & it likely depends on the amount of negativity & mental strength of a person.
3. Corrupted souls are not parasites that share our bodies with clean souls. That contradicts samsara & souls being always one.
4. I see Laura's case as a CS being bond to the body (like the drowned one in The Lake) the reason it's got unleashed is unfortunate memory extraction.
5. Owl doesn't show that Laura's & Bob's Theatre cases are much different.
6. Laura's unusual origin doesn't mean that she's inhuman. And even if it did that wouldn't mean that it should affect her seemingly unique state of corruption

[floral mauve]

he didnt have any sign of being shot afterwards

[stable wigeon]

or maybe he just chad thru it

oh shit

[stable wigeon]

but 2 things

one how did dale extract his memories then?

two

this is all from dales perspective

[floral mauve]

exactly

thats the unreal part

[stable wigeon]

bob cant be an unreliable narrator here he isnt the narrator

[floral mauve]

neither does Dale

[stable wigeon]

wym

[floral mauve]

Dale's elevator journey is not 100% true

as shown in Birthday

[stable wigeon]

why do you that

i feel i have previously missed something important lol

[floral mauve]

What happened in Theatre is debatable

[stable wigeon]

because?

[floral mauve]

because they are high as f with a flying fish and Dale can just extract ppls memory with his bare hands

[azure bay]

It was a lesson about samsara in order to set Dale into a higher state of consciousness partly based on the real event

[floral mauve]

yes

[azure bay]

however

[stable wigeon]

why are we so sure it is only a lesson

we literally witness bob turn into a cs

[floral mauve]

because thats the point of the play

[azure bay]

we can't say for sure if that wouldn't happen IRL

[stable wigeon]

bob wasnt part of the play

[floral mauve]

exactly

so does that make him true?

[stable wigeon]

yes

[floral mauve]

not necessarily

he still heard the Lady in blue

[stable wigeon]

i dont believe they conjured the theatre out of their ass

i think it was a memory of dales

[azure bay]

the shot could be that magic that lets Bob live & Dale extract his memories. And flying fish... It not even weirder than most of things that actually happened

[stable wigeon]

it only makes sense

[floral mauve]

doubt

[stable wigeon]

but why wouldnt it be

sure its a lesson

[floral mauve]

its a lesson created by Mr Owl

[azure bay]

It was Dale's memory. Heavily altered one

[stable wigeon]

yes

a lesson but it still took place somewhere

[floral mauve]

Dale must be high as f in that bar

[azure bay]

I guess, just on his revisit

[stable wigeon]

and i think bob shooting himself was real because he turned into a cs

[floral mauve]

we cant prove he shot himself

I have another approach

[stable wigeon]

no but we witnessed what corrupted his body

[floral mauve]

maybe after he returned from CS back to human, he cured the wound

like Laura's throat

[stable wigeon]

the only thing we are given about bobs cs manifesting

yes i agree

thats what i am considering

[floral mauve]

CS, a special medicine

[stable wigeon]

anyway shit i have an interview tomorrow gn

[azure bay]

cya

so

Theatre

I think that originally Dale has visited it

even met Bob there

[floral mauve]

exam in 2 hour

gotta go

bye

[azure bay]

alright

godspeed

[royal notch]

I think that Birthday and Theatre are the same thing: in the reality, things are gone differently, and when Dale revisit them, the memories are modified by the Lake in order to teach to Dale HOW TO WORK with his past, just like he learned after drinking the green vial in the Paradox room.

And i also think that those lessons have to be for EVERY memory he has. We see only those 2 because are the most important.

[cerulean crypt]

Bday was very important,but why theatre?

[royal notch]

Theatre is literally the explaination of everything for him! Samsara, corrupted souls, memory extraction, enlighteneds... Also, is here where Mr Owl say to him what he may become.

[astral frost]

I think exactly the same

In my opinion, this would make the whole story more simple and linear to explain

At least, it is the theory that I can connect most of the games to

[azure bay]

This way of thinking is quite elegant.
I just don't like Dale having false memories & can't ignore direct indications of Seasons being real

[azure bay]

Bare in mind that the story is locally non-linear

CS actually kill Laura, Harvey & Dale in the cabin in one version of the story

Paradox true endings are also contradicting each other

Something like that could be also seen in TWD

[royal notch]

I'm not saying that Dale has false memories. Bare in mind that Dale doesn't have any memories (just some ideas of them) in the elevator. I think that, while he's watching the modified ones, he also remember the originals. He know what is his real past, the modified ones are "lessons".

[azure bay]

He is expected to be mentally cured via rewriting his traumatic memories. Otherwise psycological wounds are still present.

If memories are the only thing rewritten then he lives in lies from then on

[royal notch]

Yes, and for this reason i'm sure he knows what is his real past.

[azure bay]

If he know his real past then he's still affected by it

[royal notch]

Not necessarily.

Jakob still remember his mother's terrible death, and now he is the governant of the Lake!

[azure bay]

Jacob is an asur. Dale is to overcome him

He has to work harder

[royal notch]

If Dale has to work even harder, then why he shouldn't do also the same things Jakob did?

[azure bay]

Jacob did nothing for his enlightenment. The elixir & sacrifice were provided by Caroline & that's quite enough for becoming an asur

But Dale in order to have a stronger boost by seemingly the same elixir has to get a head start

That's why he clears his mind, faces his demons & gets a higher state of consciousness

[royal notch]

That's what i'm saying too. But i think you want to mean something else.

[azure bay]

I want to say that fixing his past trauma wouldn't have a great effect if he still remembers the original ones

That's the very thing that hurts him

His old memories

They have to be erased if Dale is to be pure

[royal notch]

I don't agree with the last sentence. I perfectly know that Dale is hurted by his past trauma, but i don't see any proof that he literally has to FORGET them to be pure. I think that a wise man like he will have to be can't just... pretend to have had a good past just to be pure. The inner peace is a thing that you have to reach by yourself, by what you are, by who you are. I mean, i think that Dale would live in lies if he will be convinced to EFFECTIVELY have had the past he see in the elevator rather than knowing the difference.

[azure bay]

In psychiatry in order to cure the trauma Dale would need to accept it in order to carry on.

Apparently he does not. He fights it instead. If it's not erased then it's still present & has to affect him until he deals with it in one way or another

[royal notch]

Exactly, DEAL WITH IT. That's exactly what the green vial teach him.

[azure bay]

No

The green vial is about stepping aside & letting Laura take his role instead

[royal notch]

"Stepping aside" is the thing i mean. The sacrifice for Laura, for my point of view, it's only a test to see if Dale has really a good heart. But it doesn't happen really. Anyway, the green vial teach how to step aside with his memories, it change only the purpose. The green vial says It for let him sacrifice, but the real use is to make him leave his past behind, but without forgetting It.

Otherwise, as you said, he would be affected by them.

[azure bay]

1. Paradox is before Birthday
2. The green vial ending is one of the ways to completely end the story. Dale dies, doesn't look into another cube, doesn't start another Paradox iteration. The end.

And another thing: kindness is not dealing with psycological trauma

These things are independent

[royal notch]

1)And so? What's the problem?
2)Are we really sure that Dale has to look at the cube for another iteration? Can't he just have lose his consciousness drinking it, and then wake up again?

[royal notch]

I'm not saying that.

[azure bay]

Then we'd see another iteration starting. But we don't

[royal notch]

You sure? Couldn't he exited from the room just like before, looking at the cube, and starting again in the second room?

[azure bay]

We even get the bonus movie scene of Dale dying

& Laura staying alive

With the paradox cube turning white

[royal notch]

Is he really dead or just passed out ? That Laura is real or another Paradox vision? The cube couldn't be just a pure simbolism like for Birthday?

(for "passed out" my traslator means "svenuto", i mean "he lose his consciousness temporarly")

[azure bay]

In birthday it's not symbolic

Memories are actually changed

About everything else I'm also sure.

[royal notch]

My idea is that Dale woke up again, get out of the room, and he start again in the second room, where this time he find the golden cube and the hidden elevator.

[azure bay]

I'm sure that's not the case. We have "one of us will die, another will find enlightenment, make your move", not "I'll die, you'll find enlightenment". We also have "you can't save her without sacrificing yourself". Then we have Dale dying & Laura happily standing on the lake. No corrupted Dale to kill her because there is no next iteration

[astral frost]

@azure bay is right on this point

You could discuss about their canonicity

But they exclude each other

[royal notch]

OK, let's assume that for a moment. In this case my question is extremely simple: WHY? Why make Laura revive? Why make this whole project about him just to let him die? Why literally fu-- everything up just to revive a person that has perfectly showed not wanting to live???

[covert wyvern]

im unsure what the context here is

but I think wanting to revive youyr own brother

is perfectly valid reasoning

lmao

[royal notch]

For the third time? Also, It was Laura, not William.

Laura decided to kill herself.

[astral frost]

What's more, I'd say that Mr Owl & Co. don't have so much power of decision on the others, especially Laura and Dale

They can guide them, but not control them

[covert wyvern]

I see im not exactly caught up on the subject

ignore me

LMAO

[azure bay]

Nevermind. I had poor connection & did not see a ton of messages

[royal notch]

Are you OK now?

[azure bay]

Yeah

I guess

[royal notch]

Can you explain me then?

[azure bay]

Laura could potentially take Dale's journey.

Change some memories

Learn some lessons

[royal notch]

But then why choosing Dale? I mean, is literally trowing a life away.

Just to have another back.

[azure bay]

I don't tell that's the plan

Either way they are having 1 person dead & 1 person enlightened

& I bet Owl with his grey morality doesn't care about human lives that much. He's dealing with the higher matter & more global goals

[royal notch]

In that case, Dale is not so important. He can just be replaced with her, without having any consideration.

[azure bay]

Probably not

But that would probably be Laura's problem

To find abother chosen one to replace herself after another century or 2

[royal notch]

The point Is that Dale must have something more than Laura. Otherwise the mind union would be useless.

To activate that machine, Is needed her good and bad memories, a blue cube, her mind AND DALE'S MIND.

[azure bay]

I can imagine him having just a bigger potential

Maybe he's the only one to meet criteria for becoming dev

Laura as an asur would do but not that efficient

But honestly, we have no idea what happens if Dale refuses

[royal notch]

Then why take Dale to her level?

[azure bay]

It's not about level

It's about the right ritual

[royal notch]

But if Dale is clearly more important, then why make him replace with Laura?

[azure bay]

They just need someone for the rule of 2

It seems to be the matter either of luck or choice of one of them on who is to win

[royal notch]

But nobody Is drinking the elixir, Laura can't even do It because is dead. Dale's way to reach enlightement is different, is completely about finding his strenght by his past. If Dale is just someone for that rule, then why use the mind union? Why the machine needed exactly HIS MIND? Everything else we see comes from Laura (except the blue cube, we don't know where it comes from), so why they needed Dale?

[azure bay]

Neither Jacob drank elixir

He was affected in non-materialistic way

[royal notch]

But he started from it. Anyway read the rest.

[azure bay]

I guess that Dale just suits

He could be the only one to take thus journey

He's smart & traumatized

The fact of overcoming himself seems valuable all in itself

Dale is believed to be the chosen one

[royal notch]

Then why he can be replaced with Laura?

[azure bay]

Probably he can't be completely replaced

She probably can be enlightened

But not as high as Dale

Laura seems to be there as a mean to get elixir

& as a potential sacrifice

[royal notch]

So we're saying the same thing. But in this case, it would be a waste of time if Dale dies. Not completely, but a lot.

[azure bay]

I guess so

But it's up to Dale to choose after all

[royal notch]

But he choose because Mr Owl let him know that HE CAN DECIDE! The point is: why?

[azure bay]

You assume that Owl is completely in charge of Paradox

That may be not the case

Maybe he even tries to affect this choice

In the movie Dale knows that he would die after drinking the green one. This consequence was on TV during his choice

He just needs to know that it would also save Laura

[royal notch]

I know, and i'm sure he choose the sacrifice. The point is that the enlighteneds should avoid to make him take this decision.

[azure bay]

As Edd said, they may guide him but not choose for him

[royal notch]

Also, if you drink the green vial, you always choose to die for her.

But this is impossibile, since we see the final real ending.

[azure bay]

These 2 endings contradict each other

& create 2 different stories

We've been following just one of them

Seasons could belong to the other

[royal notch]

The real one can't happen if Dale always choose to die.

[azure bay]

Dale doesn't always chooses to die

[royal notch]

In the game, it's the only way.

[azure bay]

Why so?

[royal notch]

You can't finish that ending without die.

[azure bay]

I don't get your message

[royal notch]

If you play that ending, the only thing you can do is to die to revive Laura. This can't be possible, because we wouldn't have any real ending (golden cube and elevator)!

[azure bay]

That just means that the story may end in 2 different ways

Dale dying may be the actual way to end his story

[royal notch]

And a waste of time for the enlighteneds.

[azure bay]

What can they do if that's the best way?

[royal notch]

It's not.

[azure bay]

They are not all powerfull

[royal notch]

I know, but also i don't understand why take this whole risk.

[azure bay]

Do they have a choice?

[royal notch]

No, but it's about that point that i'm not sure.

[azure bay]

They have their limitations

Maybe they are also not that smart

They seem not to have the elixir

Their time is also limited

As soon as elixir's effect on the dog wears off they will probably die

[royal notch]

You make me agree about that, but i was thinking that the Lake seems not.

If Dale reach enlightement, the Lake itself will get some advantages.

[azure bay]

the most interesting thing is that the lake would seemingly prefer Laura

[royal notch]

When?

[azure bay]

"you cannot save her unless you sacrifice yourself. The lake will be grateful"

[royal notch]

It could mean that the Lake will be grateful for the sacrifice itself, not for Laura's salvation.

[azure bay]

either way Dale seems to be not the priority

[royal notch]

Dale is the chosen one... by the Lake, i immagine.

[azure bay]

We have no idea on what exactly the chosen one is

in Paradise Jacob seemed to be one

but who did choose him?

The Lake?

Caroline?

Nicolas?

[royal notch]

I'm pretty sure: if the Lake receive someone else as sacrifice, It doesn't enlight him (like Caroline). Nicholas is only trying to reach it, at the point that he doesn't care who will be sacrified (he accept to switch his son with his wife, i'm sure that if Jakob would have died, he immediatly would have continued with David, Elizabeth and everyone). So, i think that the choose is by the Lake.

So, if is the Lake that choose his next governant, i don't understand why It should prefer Laura.

And i don't understand then why it make Dale decide about that thing.

Unless that is false, and only a test to see how much Dale is altruist.

[azure bay]

Jacob getting enlightenment & all the others doing so are 2 separate rituals

They tried to sacrifice Caroline

apparently that didn't work

Jacob was crucial for their ritual

Caroline just performed another one right after

[royal notch]

The rituals weren't so different, both got burned alive. Only, the Lake, using the memories it received shortly before, manage to enligh Jakob. Now, It has Dale's memories to enlight him. There are so much coincidences.

[azure bay]

there was no Jacob's memories used for the ritual of Nicolas

what's more

[royal notch]

I know you would have said that.

[azure bay]

the elixir ritual always requires 1 sacrifice to counter 1 enlightenment

here we have 5 for 1

& no elixir

therefore, they had another source

probably less preferable

[cerulean crypt]

But they have not phiisical elixir

[azure bay]

they don't

[cerulean crypt]

like that one Alchemist drink

[azure bay]

Caroline saved it exclusively for Jacob

[royal notch]

Have i ever said that Dale needs elixir?

[cerulean crypt]

Maybe Golden cube is his elixir

[azure bay]

"Don't let them use my memories"
"I have withheld the last memory, the last element of the elixir"

[royal notch]

Then, again, other coincidences. Dale can perform the same ritual of the Eilanders (the only difference Is that this time It could be direct, since the memories in the Lake are hits). What's more, he will have a CONCRETE elixir way more powerful than the drink. So, i don't see why the Lake should throw away this whole project.

[azure bay]

Dale is the only person getting enlightenment from Laura's sacrifice

Eilanders are 5

& they had no access to Caroline' memories

therefore, no access to elixir

[floral mauve]

But the Eilanders did receive the enlightment

in the end

you gotta sacrifice the right person

[cerulean crypt]

How you know that?

[floral mauve]

thats the rule I guess

[floral mauve]

D Eilander

[cerulean crypt]

Only one known

[floral mauve]

seems to be reincarnation

[cerulean crypt]

Maybe he is son

[floral mauve]

well, what makes David special? He loves frog in his pants?

[cerulean crypt]

IDK i don't played Paradise yet , so i can't tell

[floral mauve]

if he isnt special, through induction, we can agree that the rest also received the same treatment

[floral mauve]

play it bruh

[royal notch]

I don't understand where's the problem! The Lake is so powerful, It could "thank" the whole family to have received memories and the choosen one!

Also, this time Dale is the only One not enlightened yet, who should be enlighten more?

[floral mauve]

Mr Owl?

[royal notch]

If Mr Owl Is called Mr Owl, Is a enlightened...

[floral mauve]

According to what I understand, Mr Owl's first main target is to reach the deva stage

then he wanted to leave the hotel and Lake to Dale

whereas Mr Crow doesnt care about next stage that much, he prefers to revive his brother

thats just what I understood from the plot

maybe I am wrong all the way through

[real lantern]

Yeah, but becoming the whole humanoid animal thing is becoming enlightened

Not the next stage from that

[floral mauve]

therefore, how you describe the process of entering deva

[royal notch]

We're not sure if Mr Owl wants reach dev for itself or for Dale (or both, maybe, or also every enlightened).

[real lantern]

We havent realy had a game confirmed name for it, so realy just "become deva" lmao

[floral mauve]

or become god

they are kinda equal

[royal notch]

I tend to think that only Dale will be able to become "It".

[real lantern]

Yeah, we just use the whole enlightement thing because the game calls it... i think

[floral mauve]

tbh otherwise why is Mr Owl obssessed with extracting memory

[real lantern]

I cant actualy remember where in the games they said that

[floral mauve]

like Mr Owl definatly wants something for himself

not some kinda philantropy

just randomly give enlightment

[royal notch]

The memories are for the Lake!

[floral mauve]

true

[real lantern]

Yeah, the lake demands sacrifices

[floral mauve]

thats why he wants someone to do it after he left or become god

to feed the lake

[real lantern]

Thats probably why he wants to get that weight off his shoulders and give it to dale

[floral mauve]

yes

this is why I think the plot I thought of makes sense

[royal notch]

Or maybe he know that his time is limited.

[floral mauve]

but the problem is why doesnt he just abandon the lake

[royal notch]

Ehm... To avoid apocalypse?

[floral mauve]

As in a normal human being thinking, he must want to live such as by becoming god to avoid his perish

[floral mauve]

what, the 10 plague?

[royal notch]

All of them!!!

[floral mauve]

we dont exactly know what will happen if no one feed the lake memory

[royal notch]

Well, that was Is rage for only 10 missing memories...

[floral mauve]

maybe this is just the punishment of wrong sacrifice rather than lack of memory

[royal notch]

It could be way more deadly!

[floral mauve]

So basically there is one guy is responsible for the lake through all time

[royal notch]

I think so.

[floral mauve]

first Caroline, then Jakob, and maybe Dale/Laura

[real lantern]

Wait, so the 10 plagues were a kind of punishiment for missing a "payment"?

[floral mauve]

wrong payment

maybe

[royal notch]

Caroline not, she just died.

But yes.

[floral mauve]

but then no one feed the lake back that time

Caroline must have been keep feeding the lake to avoid some sort of punishment

we know she knew the cubes

so she knew the process of dropping cubes

Imagine Caroline is a famous kidnapper near the lake

lol

[royal notch]

The Eilanders themselves could have done this to get enlightement, and so their ancestors!

Always to find enlightement.

We don't know when exactly starts this cult.

[floral mauve]

emmmmm, I dont know

ohh, so basically the whole Eilander family uses traditional sacrifice to reach the enlightment

[royal notch]

Trying to reach It.

[real lantern]

I mean, at this point lets go crazy, what if the eilander family was created by the lake to serve it

[royal notch]

[floral mauve]

However, Caroline loves Jakob so much so she wants to avoid it, she created an alternative path for the sacrifice, Elixir

maybe thats how it begins

Elixir is actually not the traditional way of getting enlighted

its the sacrifice

[real lantern]

Wait, what?

[royal notch]

I agree. But It was time to stop, i think.

[floral mauve]

The sacrifice of the first born is usually how to get enlighted, but Caroline decided to find another humane one

Is this interpretation reliable?

[royal notch]

Maybe not of the first born. The Lake Just decide Who Is the choosen one.

[floral mauve]

How the Eilanders know who is the choosen one

[royal notch]

They didn't know!

[floral mauve]

Its from their history like family story

I dont know how to say it in English

[floral mauve]

Nickolas knew it at the begining

they were decided to sacrifice Jakob at the beginign

[royal notch]

Nicholas only want to reach enlightement, no matter Who It will be sacrified.

[royal notch]

Then why change idea???

[floral mauve]

Because Caroline is his wife!!!

[royal notch]

What do you mean with that?

[floral mauve]

So basically, he changed idea because he thought that if Caroline doesnt work he could try it again

[real lantern]

Yes, we knew that already, the sacrifices were the old way to get enlightened, and then, good old jakob, now as mr.owl after his mom sacrificed herself, told the alchemist brothers about the lake and its powers, how it could create eternal life, and bla bla bla, the alchemist brothers, build their house there, and move in, focused on creating this elixir, after some time of testing, they finaly create it, a crude thing, that can only extend one's life, but, its good enought for now

[floral mauve]

yes

[real lantern]

Sorry, i got a bit excited LMAO

[floral mauve]

thats most likely to be the story

[royal notch]

👏 👏 👏 👏

[floral mauve]

However, the problem I encountered is

How the fuck did Caroline extract memories

including balancing the lake

also how did she manage to make her memory float everywhere on the island

In addition, how can Jakob just see the memories inside the black cube directly

[real lantern]

Maybe by burning the person and performing some ritual? Killing the person but also extracting all the memories

[floral mauve]

I dont think so

otherwise it would be easy to extract Laura's memory

dont need a mill to do it

[real lantern]

But mr.crow wouldnt want to burn his reincarnated brother

[floral mauve]

you assume he knew Laura is his brother

he doesnt know it most likely otherwise he would not cooperate with Mr Owl

[real lantern]

And maybe they need to be alive for the whole burning thing to work

[floral mauve]

BRUH

[azure bay]

debatable

[floral mauve]

god damn the real theorist is here

I am gonna run

bye

argue with him and you will get all the answers in different fucking way

[real lantern]

Althought interesting... if i knew my reincarnated brother was depressed i would try to talk to him

[floral mauve]

[azure bay]

the problem is it seems not to be him anymore

[real lantern]

But, william doesnt remember anything, so it would be weird if an old man came to you and said he was your brother, and you were once a fat alchemist

[azure bay]

yeah, a good point

[real lantern]

Even weirder if he was in crow form

[azure bay]

what's your goal as a theorist?

[floral mauve]

nah

discuss with ppl

[azure bay]

so are your really willing to avoid discussions with me?

[floral mauve]

nah

this is not the place

you guys continue on the theories

[real lantern]

Anyway, lets get back to business, the humanoid and full human forms are interchangable right?

[floral mauve]

(otherwise Damy is gonna murder everyone)

[covert wyvern]

I am certainly sharpening my banhammer

but that's always the case 😉

[azure bay]

at least in Owl's & Crow's case

the others are unknown

[real lantern]

Like we see in cave, where you can keep turning MR.crow into human and crow again

Yeah

[real lantern]

Damy is like the guy from norse mithology, the one thats stays in helheim, always sharpening his sword... waiting for ragnarok

[covert wyvern]

ALways ready.

unless i'm asleep! 😄

[real lantern]

Oh wait, he's from muspelheim

Its surtr if anyone was wondering

[real lantern]

I would guess the others can also change forms, because it would be kind of hard to blend in to society looking like a 1 and a half meter tall pidgeon

Unless they all live in hiding

[azure bay]

If they even have to blend in

they could exist on the different level of matter

[real lantern]

True... the vanderboom kids dont seem to see MR. Crow when they traumatize albert

The poor fella

[azure bay]

are you a fellow-advocate of a devil?

[real lantern]

Hmmmm....😅

[azure bay]

I'll reiterate

do you feel like Albert deserves better?

& all his misdeeds are not really his fault

[real lantern]

I mean yeah, he was realy crapped on his whole life,

But he was kind of a dick, i mean the only guy with the ivory grave in the family cemetary lmao

[azure bay]

I don't think that people usually chose their coffins

Rose is more likely to pick this one

perhaps a sign of love

[real lantern]

I dunno, maybe at that time no, but last time i went to the cemitary i saw a sign saying "THIS PLACE IS RESERVED FOR ....."

So people are thinking about their resting place lmao

[azure bay]

well

land on a cemetery is not cheap

but here it seems to belong to Vanderbooms

[real lantern]

Yeah, althought we never get confirmation of where the cemitary is

[azure bay]

we actually have

[cerulean crypt]

Near house

[azure bay]

on the opening screen it was marked to be near the chapel

[cerulean crypt]

And this actualy makes sense

it can be cementary chapel

[real lantern]

We do!? Well mistery solved lmao

While we are talking about the cemitery, i dont think that rose literaly put all the bones from the graves into a new skeleton that opened its mouth and it had a timepiece inside

I think that its just simbolic that she went graverobbing in the family cemitary until she found it

The other parts were just to make the gameplay fun

[azure bay]

since the timepiece was last seen alongside with William's corpse & James seemed to be ignorant about those, the bones could belong to William & be disposed by his CS

[real lantern]

What do you mean? That his corrupted soul scattered the bones in the graves as they were dug across the years?

[cerulean crypt]

We don't know if william has a Funeral

his body was hide inside clock

we don't know what happend next to the body

[floral mauve]

uncorrupted, not rotten

[azure bay]

I mean that CS could hide the timepiece inside his former body & dig it down in order to be safe

[real lantern]

Or do you agree with me that the cemitery level is just to show that she went indiana jones, but only in williams grave, that she found... somehow after his corrupted soul hid it?

[floral mauve]

which might prove that the elixir might keep the body fresh whether he is dead or alive after drinking it

[real lantern]

Oh, sorry, didnt read your message

[azure bay]

that seems plausible

but it's too early to tell

[real lantern]

Yes

Im honestly just trying to think of everything i can that we never thought about lmao

All the hands (or atleast most of them) have an M or N cant remember, simbol on them, is that just the artstile or do they maybe mean something

[azure bay]

hands of Vanderbooms also have those

could be just sinew

[real lantern]

Yeah, im probably overthinking lmao

[spare glacier]

okay i have a question

when i started to play at cube escape : paradox i was like omg this game is so cool

and there is the thing you habe to do with the tv numbers to find channels

you have to put 3 numbers

[high talon]

Are you asking for help?

[spare glacier]

but once I put in 3 random numbers and came across a channel that had nothing to do with the story

no

[high talon]

ah okay, and hm?What channel exactly?

[spare glacier]

the video was launched and there were men playing the trumpet I think (this was a few years ago)

[high talon]

uh..

[spare glacier]

but I can't remember those three numbers

[high talon]

i think its just a easter egg s all

nothing else

[spare glacier]

so i was asking if someone also find it

yeah i think that too

but it was pretty scary haha

[high talon]

ohhh

yeah yeah you saw this likely:

[spare glacier]

YES

[high talon]

That's Albert Vanderboom

[spare glacier]

aaaaaaah

[covert wyvern]

its a good old throwback to Roots.

[spare glacier]

and how was you supposed to find these umbers

numbers

[high talon]

theres hints ingame ifi recall

[covert wyvern]

aye but

I'll have to stop you all

this isn't about theories at all.

[spare glacier]

i havent played roots yet

[high talon]

oh right sorry nfdbkfd

[spare glacier]

ah yes youre right

[covert wyvern]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1518513513 here's a steam guide with all the tv channels and their sources

lets keep it at that ;p

[spare glacier]

ok thanks

[cerulean crypt]

Is it proven that CS can teleport or Bilocate?

'cuz William in roots can be both inside well and outside well

[astral frost]

It is not proven, since some of the CS seems linked with their Human bodies (for example Bob)

But some of them,like William or Caroline, can appear and disappear

[cerulean crypt]

But William has no body

[astral frost]

Yes

[covert wyvern]

if semi solid / ghostly

I don't see an issue with them being to do that.

lol

[astral frost]

Yes yes

In fact we can see William's body in one of the first levels

It proves that William's body and his CS aren't bound together

[cerulean crypt]

So prodably they can teleport ?

[azure bay]

I think so.

In Seasons CS appears & dissapears pretty often.

They seem to teleport away on their defeat in The Lake & Harvey's Box.

Bob, Rabbit & Boar seemingly teleported away after breaking windows in Case 23, Theatre & The Cave respectively.

Finally, a CS seen in the forest of Paradox has disappeared several times

Ah

Laura in The Mill has disappeared on our very eyes

[cerulean crypt]

But maybe they can turn invisible

William wasn't seen by most of family

[azure bay]

I guess they can do both

Most of the time they simply don't have to turn invisible

[cerulean crypt]

If William can do both why other can't

[azure bay]

Why would they?

They probably can

Did they have reasons for doing so?

[cerulean crypt]

But Bob in CE: Case 23 has o body

so they can also telleport matter

[azure bay]

CS with a body & without it seem not to differ that much in their abilities

I don't think the devs were thinking through physics of CS

[cerulean crypt]

If they can telleport it will be almost impossible to capture or destroy them

[azure bay]

Mr. Owl seemingly can somehow contain them

Ay least temporarily

We have Guests being held roughly for a year, Laura was kept in the big cube, Bob wasn't willing to escape TWD

[cerulean crypt]

But what about Dale

he was corrupted

[azure bay]

His corruption literally helped him escape the room in Paradox

[cerulean crypt]

NVM Paradox was in mind

[royal notch]

He Is at risk of corruption, like Bob.

[cerulean crypt]

Risk of corruption?

He is on borderline

[azure bay]

During his elevator trip he was semi-corrupted

[cerulean crypt]

partialy corrupted partialy not

[royal notch]

Exactly.

[cerulean crypt]

Hmmm... if they can teleport it will be very hard to control them when they are freed
If you wan't prevent them for doing something you need to make them focus on something else
Maybe this is what Mr.Owl was doing in cave
He made CS focus on him to let the Dale pass

if CS know that Dale is important they could just teleport and kill him

[azure bay]

Or he took control over their memories

& memories were directly connected to them

[cerulean crypt]

But his suit is partialy destroyed like something attaced him...

[azure bay]

No idea on what it was

& most importantly when

I guess, making Dale enter the cube wasn't enough

Dale was chained to the chair

So was Laura

Who did that?

[cerulean crypt]

The only possibilyty is mr.Owl

Maybe CS can't enter the cube

and Mr.Owl don't want Dale to go outside

[azure bay]

Not sure is Dalr would

I guess it was in order to counter his potential corrupted form

[royal notch]

I absolutely agree.

[cerulean crypt]

We don't know when Dale was inside his mind he can't be something like lunatic

Maybe he could unintencionaly walks

[cerulean crypt]

But Dale has no listed Sleep walking in his psychological evaluacion

In CE:Paradox

[cerulean crypt]

Can i somewhere found what other patients of TWD are curing for?

[high talon]

I dont think it was ever stated

[covert wyvern]

Don't the other patient files have reasons for admittance on them.

?*

It'd have to double check

[azure bay]

Other files are on the TWD site

You have to log in before reading them

[floral mauve]

I wonder can CS even walk

do they just teleport instead of walking

(or floating lol)

[astral frost]

Bob was acting like a normal person in TWD after all

[floral mauve]

true but he has a body isnt he?

CS is like an external layer covered on his body

so I guess he cant teleport

[azure bay]

Case 23 disagrees with ya

Paradox kinda does as well

& even The Mill

once again

[cerulean crypt]

And the Roots

[azure bay]

what about them?

[cerulean crypt]

William is both outside the well and inside the well

He either teleport or Bilocate

[azure bay]

he has no body Jesus was talking about

Bob, Laura & probably Dale had

[cerulean crypt]

NVM my bad

But we see Bob disaper in Police Station

he turn invisible or teleport

[azure bay]

that what I was referring to by Case 23.

[azure bay]

I don't see any reason for doing so

Returning to the original subject, I don't really see any qualitative differences between corrupted souls & corrupted bodies

If there are any, they don't affect their behavior

the only thing they may affect is CS abilities to change samsara state

Bob seems to easily go back & forth with corruption of his. Others that we know about don't

however, there could be different reasons for that

starting with Bob leaving his human state just unofficially

& ending with soft magic & the author's desire of the story to happen

[floral mauve]

isnt that his Dream

[azure bay]

his corruption in the PD wasn't a dream. his corruption in TWD likely wasn't a dream

his corruption in TLS likely was a dream but It could reflect the one in Theatre that might be not completely a dream/an illusion/an alteration

[stable wigeon]

tls?

[royal notch]

"The Lost Soul", i think.

[azure bay]

👍

[real lantern]

Whats "the lost soul" again? The bar from TWD?

[azure bay]

the club. Most likely the imaginary one

[real lantern]

Thanks!

[hidden ledge]

I think when you die at Rusty Lake you become a corupted soul but like ghost without physical body

[azure bay]

1. then the world would be infested with corrupted souls
2. some souls apparently have preserved their old bodies
3. apparently you don't even have to die in order to go corrupted
4. not every soul is corrupted in the 1st place

[hidden ledge]

I said at Rusty Lake. We see it happen with William, Emma and Samuel and Ida. I think when someone dies there death as a bad memory turns them into a corupted soul. We see that when a person dies they do leave a memory of that (Van Gogh)

[azure bay]

among these 4 only one is confirmed to become a CS

Emma seems to become just a free souls for a time being

the fate of the others is unknown

[hidden ledge]

Ok but the CS that you get from extracting memories all have bodies right?

[azure bay]

not necessarily

there are different ways of corruption

[hidden ledge]

Lauras CS and Bobs one teleported i think

[azure bay]

memory extraction is just 1 of them & it's not even a guarantee of corruption, according to Owl's letter

[hidden ledge]

I think the person if alive has to be aware of the extraction. Bob wasn't aware of his extraction(we see his cube in one of the days) and so he flickered between noraml and corupted state

[azure bay]

no evidence of that

& Owl was talking exactly about Laura in his letter

[hidden ledge]

I don't think even they have a set in stone lure about everything

[azure bay]

then there's even less reasons for coming up with such specific rules

[floral mauve]

Do you think the devs have came up with a specific set of rules for the characteristic of the CS?

[covert wyvern]

im going to say probably not.

[cerulean crypt]

They all black

[floral mauve]

bruh

[azure bay]

something general at most

[covert wyvern]

ye i mean they're all black, but some are bound to bodies, others stuck in tubes attached to cubes

I dunno seems a bit random

but who knows!

[cerulean crypt]

Some have no body, some are on living humans

[azure bay]

I think all of them are connected to their painful experience

this experience is stored in black cubes

they are connected to them even when the cubes are away

[cerulean crypt]

Black cubes are created when you etract bad memories

CS are also "created" in that procces

[azure bay]

not necessarily. for both statements

[hidden ledge]

I also think they are connected. In the cave we see Owl "pacify" them by holding the cubes

[hidden ledge]

how so this is exactly what we see in the games X D

[azure bay]

1. in Theatre we've seen cubes being stored directly in brains
2. "use the machine wisely. Extraction of bad memories COULD lead to corruption of the body"

[hidden ledge]

the events of theatre and birthday are not 100% truth. they are inside Dales memories he even says it"The lake is changing my memories, my past isn't what it seems to be"

[azure bay]

that doesn't mean that the lake would change 100% of them

[cerulean crypt]

Like Theatre as place was real

[hidden ledge]

of course but in reality what probably happened is that bob was drunk there and dale just arested him without actually taking cubes from his brain

[azure bay]

Dale DID NOT suspect Bob in any way. His only point of interest was the lake

[cerulean crypt]

But his job requires him to take Bob to intterogacion
I guess

[hidden ledge]

He was arested during case 23 which happens after the real events of theatre

[azure bay]

Bob could've been arrested by anyone

but not Dale

[cerulean crypt]

And for anything

[hidden ledge]

what? he was in dales office

[azure bay]

no, the officer was talking about the woman

[hidden ledge]

have you played the white door secrets?

[azure bay]

he was in police department

outside his office

[hidden ledge]

yea i think it was probably a bar irl. why would you get drunk in a theatre lol

[azure bay]

probably because someone powerful was interested in you

[cerulean crypt]

Bob was prodably interrogatet 'cuz he was one of closest people to Laura

[azure bay]

the officer believed him to kill Laura

[real lantern]

Yeah, bob is a prime suspect for laura's murder, so dale has to arrest or interrogate him or whatever as a cover to his lake research, because if he came to the police station and said "yeah, i went to the crime scene and all this weird shit happened, body came back to life then dissapeared, il stay in my room and research a lake for a bit" would get his partners... worried

[cerulean crypt]

Bob was Laura's (maybe) BF

[hidden ledge]

yea i know

sorry

brain fart

poor bob man.. at least now he is happy

[azure bay]

however, Dale was investigating exclusively the lake. There was no evidence on Bob on Dale's mind map. Even in Paradox inside his mind there was nothing but a book that was telling about Bob's innocence

[cerulean crypt]

Well , Bob will have motive for killing Laura, Revenge for broke up

[hidden ledge]

bob is probably the only happy person right now

[azure bay]

when is "right now"?

[hidden ledge]

that is a real book bob wrote

[hidden ledge]

after the white door

[azure bay]

would Dale know about it?

I doubt so

[cerulean crypt]

Is that even a real book?

[hidden ledge]

that is a very interesting question i dont know how to answer but we see its a real book at the end of the white door

[cerulean crypt]

Where?

[azure bay]

I know that. Thx

[hidden ledge]

after the final secret level

i forgot the name of the girl

[real lantern]

Yes, thats what i said, dale was just interogating bob as a cover so he could research the lake in his office in the police department

[hidden ledge]

it was probably a bit of both. after all bob knows almost nothing about the lake

was the name of the girl in the white door sarah?

[azure bay]

I'd rather assume that Bob was sent to the PD by Mr. Owl as a part of his challenge of finding cubes he mentioned in The Mill letter

[hidden ledge]

what does PD stand for?

[real lantern]

Police department

Like SFPD =san francisco police department

[hidden ledge]

there was also a policeman.. they arested him for sure

oh i cant wait to see dale in the hotel

[cerulean crypt]

He can report himself?

IDK how it is called

[hidden ledge]

well he didn't do anything so idk why he would surrender for something he didnt do

[cerulean crypt]

He was drunk
He can be easly manipulated

[real lantern]

Yeah i dont see why he would say he killed her... when he didnt

[hidden ledge]

OR they just suspected him and arested him XD seems more logical

[real lantern]

Yeah, he was her ex boyfriend, so they thought it could have been some kind kind of revenge murder or something

[azure bay]

or once again, the whole situation could be under Owl's control

[hidden ledge]

Why tho.. Owl was interested with bob probably because of his relationship with Laura. Also weirdly enough Dale said "I need your memory" implying he already knew some stuff about rusty lake

[azure bay]

Bob could be there just in order for Dale to be able to get that freaking cube

If Bob was arrested for longer, he wouldn't show up in TWD on august 13

[cerulean crypt]

Didn't he escaped?

[azure bay]

while TWD was aware about him long before

[hidden ledge]

he just vanished like they always do

don't you hate it when your suspect just vanishes

[azure bay]

people don't usually go corrupted so suddenly

[cerulean crypt]

Well , something happend to him in Theatre

[hidden ledge]

I think his corruption was already in process

thats porbably something owl did

[azure bay]

listen

Bob was in Owl's possession already in Theatre

[hidden ledge]

after he vanishes he wakes up on the street

and calls the white door

[azure bay]

Would Mr. Owl risk Bob if he wasn't so sure that he returns back to him?

[hidden ledge]

he does go in the white door after case 23 since he has memories from it

[azure bay]

Bob was in Owl possession already in Theatre (more than half a year before the scene of Case 23). Once again would Mr. Owl risk losing him for the reason of his arrest if he wasn't sure that Bob would escape & came directly back to him?

[floral mauve]

thats a bit weird if we see Bob before case 23 tbh

[royal notch]

Why are you saying that Bob was already under Jakob's control?

[floral mauve]

Dale be like: I dont even know who you are

[hidden ledge]

dale is a sad boi 😦

[royal notch]

Not as Bob.

[hidden ledge]

bob is now happy and is with sarah. dale still in that damn elevator

[floral mauve]

true

he is like a loser in all persepective which is a pity

which is kinda sad

[royal notch]

He'll be at the Hotel at the end of the year...

[hidden ledge]

dale is in the lake which is full of FISH. he is mentally dying

the fish probably bully him

[floral mauve]

he is a fish hunter

[hidden ledge]

nah he hates them

[floral mauve]

he is scared of the fish but brutally kill them

[floral mauve]

well....you will get it

if you know me

but thats not importatnt

[hidden ledge]

i love his face when he finds the fish in paradox film

[floral mauve]

oh my the theory ppl are all coming

[azure bay]

Owl was already interested in Bob. He already had their calling card & experienced some weird stuff in Theatre

[cerulean crypt]

Are you gonna continue on fish god?

[floral mauve]

no