#🤔｜theories
cerulean crypt
Lake monster also
floral mauve
what monster
cerulean crypt
Giant one
floral mauve
?
azure bay
Lake is a creature?
It acts consciously it has powers & desires, can also be grateful. It pretty could be a living thing
floral mauve
oops daddy is home
cerulean crypt
How many giant creatures can lake hold?
floral mauve
These 2 creatures are not confirmed to be the same one
do you agree with flying fish god theory
azure bay
How many giant creatures can lake hold?
No idea
cerulean crypt
But there is at least one
azure bay
do you agree with flying fish god theory
I guess, I do
astral frost
What's more, those aren't probably "the monsters of the Lake", but just its normal inhabitants
azure bay
But that doesn't mean anything. You shouldn't rely on my authority
floral mauve
idc flying fish god is realllll
cerulean crypt
Normal inhibitand half a size of hotel?
azure bay
idc flying fish god is realllll
Calling it god is an averthrow
cerulean crypt
Dale is Nithce
astral frost
Normal inhibitand half a size of hotel?
They are a bit bigger than a Human, but not so big
azure bay
Fish is not a god
astral frost
Clear
floral mauve
but we are talking about the great flying fish
floral mauve
no one can defeat flying fish god except the mouse trap
azure bay
"A fish & a parrot" play was about animals. "The Mill" one was about gods & Owl played Dale's role then
cerulean crypt
The bear trap defeted that fish
floral mauve
the fish shines the holy light
cerulean crypt
ANd then Frank eat it
cerulean crypt
MONSTER GOD ALSO EIST
AND IT IS BIGGER
MONSTER IS THE SOUL OF LAKE
LAKE IS POWERFUL AS GOD
azure bay
AND IT IS BIGGER
Cthulhu in RL confirmed
astral frost
That would be cool hahaha
floral mauve
flying fish god is unstoppable
but Dale
thats why Mr Owl chose him
as the replacement
he is the god slayer
god hunter
cerulean crypt
Dale is like Nietzsche
he killed god
floral mauve
Mr Owl knew even if he become the great flying fish god, Dale can still kill him
thats why the future mind gave up
just give this man the place
astral frost
Back to "reality", the flying fish appears only in memories which floated in the Lake, and have been modified by it
cerulean crypt
So maybe this is why Dale is Ihtiophobe?
astral frost
So maybe this is why Dale is Ihtiophobe?
We don't know
floral mauve
Back to "reality", the flying fish appears only in memories which floated in the...
even beard duck exists
why cant flyign fish god exists
astral frost
even beard duck exists
What?
azure bay
Returning to Laura & her corruption.
There is no objective reason to take her differently. We have too little batch to make conclusions about her uniqueness.
There is no evidence that she's a fake human neither.
There is no evidence that it would even affect her corruption.
What's more, there is evidence that Owl sees Laura's corruption just any other one. He admits her possible corruption due to unwise use of the machine & in Theatre he teaches Dale the same on Bob's example like it's all completely normal
floral mauve
beard duck vs flying fish god
azure bay
It was young crow
astral frost
Returning to Laura & her corruption.
There is no objective reason to take her ...
BUT he understood he needed Laura at a certain point
azure bay
BUT he understood he needed Laura at a certain point
Not sure when
azure bay
are the same
I guess, you'd better go meming to another channel
floral mauve
Laura is different due to the mill machine
astral frost
This could mean that they didn't know William was reborn into Laura(?)
floral mauve
normal CS is based on the black cube
azure bay
This could mean that they didn't know William was reborn into Laura(?)
Dunno. The worldbuilding seems soft. There could be no William during The Mill development
floral mauve
but Laura is directly an outlayer of CS
cerulean crypt
Actualy why Mr.Crow don't recognze body in CE mill?
astral frost
Dunno. The worldbuilding seems soft. There could be no William during The Mill d...
I think the same
cerulean crypt
That body belong to his brother
floral mauve
Actualy why Mr.Crow don't recognze body in CE mill?
I dont thin kMr Crow knows that she is William
at that time
astral frost
But right now all the games are canon
floral mauve
But he sometimes watches Vanderbooms
not after Frank was bron
cerulean crypt
possibly Mr.Crow interact with Albert
azure bay
possibly Mr.Crow interact with Albert
Possibly, not the same Crow we knew & loved
floral mauve
he didnt know the reborn plan
azure bay
but Mr Crow cant see William neither
Disagree
azure bay
he didnt know the reborn plan
Who?
floral mauve
Mr Crow
cerulean crypt
But Mr>Crow makes step that lead to reborn of william
He makes James go to mansion and grow tree
floral mauve
But Mr>Crow makes step that lead to reborn of william
but he didnt go back for Rose didnt he?
He must have been busy working at the reception
cerulean crypt
But there was an accident
azure bay
He doesn't have to work there full-time
floral mauve
he even do the extraction machine
whereas Mr Owl is just sitting there smoking
sometimes just goes to TWD left Mr Crow
worst partner ever
cerulean crypt
WE don't know if they are partners or Boss-worker
floral mauve
I think until the point of the Cave took place
Mr Crow definately knows Laura is William
he didnt know it at the begining
azure bay
he didnt know it at the begining
Hard to tell for sure
I'm pretty sure William's rebirth was planed before the elixir was ready to drink
astral frost
Or the rebirth of everyone would have died in that moment
cerulean crypt
Mr.Crow make rebirth posiible
azure bay
Or the rebirth of everyone would have died in that moment
I meant that
royal notch
he didnt know it at the begining
I think that Aldous perfectly knew that Laura was his brother. That's why we see Laura's corrupted soul in cave, ready for the "mind union".
azure bay
It could be after
We don't know what could happen in 3+ month between The Mill & The Cave
cerulean crypt
So Dale sits in Parado for over 3 months?
azure bay
So Dale sits in Parado for over 3 months?
probably. Unless Paradox starts when Dale & Laura are connected to the machine
this time period is weird tho
Dale spent 3 months either in the elevator or inside the room & didn't regrow his beard
royal notch
It could be after
Yes, in the mill we see her disappear, but i want to think that Aldous know who Laura is really. I think he convinced her to come to the cube with a lie, i think it's hard capture and lock a corrupted soul.
azure bay
Yes, in the mill we see her disappear, but i want to think that Aldous know who ...
false lie accusation is usually quite an offence
you'd better have proofs in these cases
royal notch
I never called you a liar. 
I'm Sorry if i've wrote bad.
azure bay
No, I'm about Crow
royal notch
Yes.
I'm not calling anyone a liar, but i think that he needed to attract Laura's corrupted soul in the cube.
azure bay
I'd rather tend to believe that Laura disappeared in an unknown direction & some time after captured by an unknown mean
lie could be an option
but it also could be not
any other way has the same probability since we have no data
royal notch
Yes, i know, so what's the problem?
royal notch
They're just MY theories.
azure bay
the part about Crow lying is more an assumption than a theory, as it is not based on any evidence (as far as I can tell). Are you ok with that?
royal notch
Yep.
azure bay
may I ask you about your reasons to theorize in that way & your goals?
royal notch
It doesn't affect the story anyway, it's just an assumption as you said, sorry if i mistake the lexicon. I just think that the corrupted souls aren't creatures so easy to lock and drive somewhere (in the mill, she had been able to free herself by the chain).After the mill, she disappear somewhere, but she's one of the most important pieces of the plan. So i prefer think that Aldous attracts her in the cube with a lie, to avoid some risks. I don't know how Aldous commmunicated with her, maybe after the mill he found her somewhere. That's just an explaination for me ti explain why we see one corrupted soul trapped somewhere (talking about Hotel, the guests' corrupted souls could have been freed immediatly after the cube extraction, that Mr Owl can have done where he wanted.).
The lie could have been that the machine in the cube would had been able to change her past, maybe.
azure bay
I was asking more about your strategy of theorizing
& what you expect to eventually reach with it
@royal notch
royal notch
I was asking more about your strategy of theorizing
You are talking about this one or generally?
azure bay
generally
royal notch
Well, i start thinking with the normal logic, then if it doesn't work anyway i try to add some magic of this universe, but always following the scheme cause-effect. And only the magic we have seen far now, without adding nothing too strange.
azure bay
alright
remind me please do you believe Seasons being Laura's type of Paradox?
@royal notch
royal notch
remind me please do you believe Seasons being Laura's type of Paradox?
I'm still not sure, i wouldn't take that like a theory at all. It would be a way to avoid the past changing, to let Dale's journey happen.
But there is literally ANYTHING ti support that.
azure bay
I'm just pretty sure that it takes place in the very end of the timeline
long after Dale's journey finished
royal notch
Yes, but as i said, i would think about only one timeline. It would be only a little bit complicated thinking about so many parallel universes to left behind.
floral mauve
Yes, in the mill we see her disappear, but i want to think that Aldous know who ...
the only evidence shows that he knew she is William is the book inside the cave
others are just assumptions
azure bay
others are just assumptions
what are assumptions?
floral mauve
what are assumptions?
when Aldous knows Laura is William
royal notch
the only evidence shows that he knew she is William is the book inside the cave
But also entirely Roots Is an evidence.
floral mauve
he wasnt there to see William reborn
azure bay
He's at least expected to know something about that since he cooperated William
floral mauve
He's at least expected to know something about that since he cooperated William
yes
but He didnt know Laura is William otherwise he wouldnt ruthlessly hang her
and didnt call her CS name William
azure bay
but He didnt know Laura is William otherwise he wouldnt ruthlessly hang her
that's just another assumption
azure bay
and didnt call her CS name William
a have a potential reason outside the lore
royal notch
But they're enlighteneds, they surely know whatever they want.
floral mauve
the only evidence we have is that by the time of cave, Aldous definatly knows Laura is William
azure bay
But they're enlighteneds, they surely know whatever they want.
another guess with no evidence
floral mauve
the only evidence we have is that by the time of cave, Aldous definatly knows La...
other than that its just assumptions
royal notch
another guess with no evidence
Well, they're always in the right place in the right time.
azure bay
Well, they're always in the right place in the right time.
give some examples please
floral mauve
Nah, otherwsie why didnt Mr Crow show up when Laura was born
and brutally murder Rose
or something like that
royal notch
Wait, what?
azure bay
Nah, otherwsie why didnt Mr Crow show up when Laura was born
because it's not that important to depict in the final scene?
floral mauve
I think he just miss the moment
azure bay
I think he just miss the moment
he had enough time to witness Laura's childhood
it's confirmed now to take place mostly near the lake
floral mauve
he had enough time to witness Laura's childhood
onlyif he knew she was William in the first place
royal notch
give some examples please
Literally everything! The mill, the cave, case 23, the White Door...
floral mauve
not after he hung her and extract the memory
He didnt even call Laura brother before
azure bay
onlyif he knew she was William in the first place
Crow helped William. He encouraged him to "bring branches together" the very next child to be born is expected to be William's new body
azure bay
He didnt even call Laura brother before
Laura seems not to remember her past
floral mauve
if you see Aldous talk to William
azure bay
as most of reborn do
floral mauve
he always call him brother
royal notch
Crow helped William. He encouraged him to "bring branches together" the very nex...
Because Laura doesn't know to have been William!
azure bay
he always call him brother
because William's memories & personality were still present
floral mauve
Laura seems not to remember her past
if he didnt know Laura is William
but you see, when Aldous talked with Laura CS
he could have called him brother
or Laura
but didnt
azure bay
he could have called him brother
not necessarily. The thing is Laura's CS has lost ALL the memories both William's & her own. They were all offered to the lake
she had no personality at all
floral mauve
another thing is that
Aldous never hide anything from William
he always tells him mostly what he will do
for example
he wont say some random shit like you know what to do to William
He is quite open towards William
which is surprising
azure bay
Aldous never hide anything from William
that's debatable since his allegiance was to Mr. Owl
royal notch
But after Samsara room, that corrupted soul isn't William anymore!
floral mauve
I doubt he trust Mr Owl completely
azure bay
He is quite open towards William
but Laura IS NOT William anymore. It's completely different person until she's able to remember her past life. & most of humans are unable to do so
floral mauve
But after Samsara room, that corrupted soul isn't William anymore!
but Mr Crow never look for him or try to regain William's memory back
I have another assumption
it is likely that Mr Owl stopped Mr Crow
to interact with Laura
royal notch
but Mr Crow never look for him or try to regain William's memory back
Because during the reincarnation the memories are gone forever.
azure bay
Because during the reincarnation the memories are gone forever.
false
Laura's cubes still contain the elixir formula
floral mauve
Because during the reincarnation the memories are gone forever.
David Eilander has a word to say
*takes frog out of the pants
royal notch
But she's unable to recall them.
floral mauve
evidence
or explaination
I think if Mr Crow and Owl interact with her, they must have a way to do it
one way or another
royal notch
or explaination
-Uao, i've in mind a formula that can allow to become Immortal, let's do It!!-!
azure bay
or explaination
samsara is a thing. originally, all of creatures don't remember anything of their past lives unless they are trained
azure bay
need to be activated
we don't know how it happens
floral mauve
which Mr Owl might be able to do it
azure bay
Neither Owl has to now that
azure bay
I assume Ms Pigeon's electrical shock might do
she tried to extract them
she seemed failing
royal notch
Yes.
floral mauve
she tried to extract them
she surely has created some black ones
azure bay
she surely has created some black ones
we don't know anything about that
azure bay
ok, creating painful memories & extracting them is not the same
azure bay
is that bird a normal animal?
no idea.
floral mauve
no animal in hotel is normal animal
azure bay
I don't see any reason for animals not to have memories
azure bay
cubes are memories. They may contain just 1 or all of them at once
floral mauve
a gold fish doesnt even rememer shit
onlyif we test it by using the way Ms pigeon did
azure bay
a gold fish doesnt even rememer shit
do you think the devs were thinking about how the cubes work inside golden fishes?
royal notch
azure bay
I doubt it
floral mauve
they even thought about flying fish god
azure bay
I even doubt William being the thing during The Mill
they seem to build the origins on a go
& to create a ton of plot holes we're trying to cover
floral mauve
perhaps you dont need Mill to extract memories
or CS doesnt need its memories to be extracted to form
look at Caroline
she is high as f
floral mauve
& Bob
Dale is god slayer that can take out ppls memories using his hand
he is the eraser
no wonder why he killed the flying fish god
azure bay
don't you seriously believe in that? It used to be funny but now it makes me worry
royal notch
Me too.
azure bay
In Case 23 he asked Bob for a cube
floral mauve
or he takes it from him as he approaches to the window
thats why Dale is so important!
azure bay
TWD confirms my point
floral mauve
he is a cube master
azure bay
he is a cube master
CS have left the cubes behind many times earlier
royal notch
Not much ago, Black Jesus 321 talked about something horrible i didn't know, what were you talking about?
royal notch
Aldous killed Rose?
floral mauve
I didnt say anything horrible
azure bay
Aldous killed Rose?
unlikely
floral mauve
Aldous killed Rose?
just some more random shit I made up
more random than flying fish god
killed by a mouse trap
royal notch
Ahhhhhh, i can bhreath again
floral mauve
flying fish god had one mission, which is to assassinate the child Dale
covert wyvern
we accept all theories in these channel. but please do restrict the shitposting.
floral mauve
flying fish god had one mission, which is to assassinate the child Dale
he travelled through time, but the damn fly is too delicious that he cant resist the lure of it
thats why Dale successfully slayed the god in the past
it linked altogether
azure bay
you are forgetting about a fish being caught in a bear trap
azure bay
I hope there is no nyaos in RL
floral mauve
what are nyaos
azure bay
nyaos is like chaos but worse
floral mauve
flying fish god is not chaos
it is a logical creature that follows the rule
However, flying fish god might not be died
because Dale changed the past
so we might still be able to see him in the future
royal notch
RL itself is nyaos, it's enough, please.
azure bay
NOW I need all of you to stay serious & answer a question
Why does the fate of Rusty Lake lie inside a small seed?
azure bay
Crow was explicit about that
azure bay
he spoke globally
royal notch
Why does the fate of Rusty Lake lie inside a small seed?
'cuz William's dead and he's the only one ti know the formula.
azure bay
'cuz William's dead and he's the only one ti know the formula.
James was able to recreate it
floral mauve
oof
royal notch
James was able to recreate it
But probably not the full elixir, otherwise Aldous himself would have recreated it.
azure bay
But probably not the full elixir, otherwise Aldous himself would have recreated ...
the problem is all the elixirs we've seen could be full except for the extract Owl & Crow had to stick to in The Cave
floral mauve
I just had a thought that Mr Crow might know the use of Dale backthen
royal notch
the problem is all the elixirs we've seen could be full except for the extract O...
But in that case, why they're drinking that one?
azure bay
But in that case, why they're drinking that one?
Either they don't have it or can't use it
floral mauve
But in that case, why they're drinking that one?
they might use up one of the ingrediant
royal notch
Either they don't have it or can't use it
If they don't have It, It mean that they don't know how to do it.
azure bay
or Aldous got dementia that he doesnt know what to do
or his input wasn't enough to recreate the whole thing
royal notch
or his input wasn't enough to recreate the whole thing
Exactly.
floral mauve
why cant Mr Owl do it
he saw his mom's work
his mom did invent it
I think its still more likely to be lack of ingrediants
ok that enough me today I am gonna go
royal notch
Bye.
azure bay
He may not understand & remember mother's formula
royal notch
He may not understand & remember mother's formula
I agree, we can't assume that Jakob is skilled with chemistry.
azure bay
alchemy*
azure bay
that's ok
stable wigeon
"flying fish god had one mission to assassinate the child dale"
im snipping this bit lmao
cerulean crypt
Mr.Rabbit almost assatinate him
azure bay
Mr.Rabbit almost assatinate him
Only if by accident
cerulean crypt
Actualy ... Why Dale is hurted in Paradox?
royal notch
I think that, after the jumpscare ||after you crush the flies in the mirror|| he got scared and loses consciousness, like in the film. Falling, he hurted his head.
mossy imp
I think William Vanderboom is a reference to William Faulkner, because he was known for this quote: "the past is never dead. It's not even past."
He lived between 1897 and 1962
I will look for similaritys between Faulkner and Van Gogh, maybe it will give us a clue about rusty lake
azure bay
I will look for similaritys between Faulkner and Van Gogh, maybe it will give us...
We need something more than a similar name, I guess.
Dale, Laura, maybe Bob are all references to Twin Peaks not only because of their names but also their roles
supple tapir
do we know about the relationship between the guests in rusty lake hotel and the eilanders? cuz although both games have the five animals deer, boar, pigeon, pheasant and rabbit, the articles on the official website show that the guests are all born in the 19th century, so that they can't be the same ppl as the eilanders, who lived in the 18th century
azure bay
EIlanders are believed to be reborn as the guests
cerulean crypt
But we know that the Mr.Rabiit (that one from shooting )is actualy eilander
supple tapir
that is the problem of if there are actually two different bunnies, i guess
david would be more than a hundred years old when hotel happens, but the bunny that gets eaten was only 39 according to the website
azure bay
that is the problem of if there are actually two different bunnies, i guess
davi...
I'm sure guests don't remember their past unlike Crow & Owl
& 2 Rabbits are very likely to be the same one
the white one is just another incarnation
supple tapir
but how did david manage to keep his name after these rebirths?
it feels like he has also reached a sort of immortality
(also, the singing lady in theater... is she a reincarnation of elizabeth/the pheasant?)
azure bay
but how did david manage to keep his name after these rebirths?
Not recalling past life doesn't mean that there is no memories about it. In William-Laura case they are just hidden deep. With some effort they may come out.
azure bay
it feels like he has also reached a sort of immortality
according to samsara, souls are immortal but not the bodies they possess.
azure bay
(also, the singing lady in theater... is she a reincarnation of elizabeth/the ph...
likely so. However, there's still a possibility that it's just an impersonator
mossy imp
I have a theory about the white mr rabit, but i'm not sure about it. When Albert is going to kill, he wears a white mask. Maybe mr rabit does the same?
nocturne yarrow
I feel like Mr. Rabbit, and the rabbits throughout the series in general, might be an exception to the rules that bind the characters, instead of a standard they should be assumed to follow. To specify- We see Mr. Rabbit, or specifically David Eilander, hunting down the "substance of his past life" in CE:Birthday, while we don't see anything like this happen with the other animals. I think that there's something fundamentally different about the Rabbit archetype that causes these time-bending things to happen- in my thinking, this includes the white rabbit outside Mr. Rabbit's window in Hotel.
A related but different theory- I think that the white rabbit is the corrupted soul of some person who belongs to the "Rabbit" archetype, scouting out the Hotel during the time their past self was killed in order to find the "substance of their past life". This could be how D. Eilander knew to take the gun in Birthday.
supple tapir
... maybe there are "rabbit holes"? some kind of time-travelling way?
nocturne yarrow
I'm fully expecting a game that focuses on the rabbits, or at least reveals something about them, at some point here. It seems like it's being set up as a mystery to be solved.
supple tapir
i'm somehow reminded of the night of the rabbit🤣
ebon aspen
A game about david (and his relationships with his family, specially elizabeth) would be very great. He is prolly alongside harvey the most mysterious character from the series and the whole rabbit stuff, tho quite explainable, still have some confusing topics that would be awesome to see getting deeper in a future title
For now i gave up to understand the whole rabbits timeline bc i have a feeling that something is missing and will be revealed in the future
royal notch
I'm fully expecting a game that focuses on the rabbits, or at least reveals some...
There could be already a hint for that. In the last achievment (The story continue) we see an hotel's room key with the number 6. It could be that, during that bloody week of the 1893, there already was hosted a new enlightened...
nocturne yarrow
What do you mean "hosted a new enlightened"?
royal notch
Maybe the Eilanders weren't the only guests.
mossy imp
But until now, we've never seen two people being the same kind of animal
nocturne yarrow
Maybe the Eilanders weren't the only guests.
or whoever the Hotel guests were, I've never been sold on the idea that they were the Eilanders
nocturne yarrow
But until now, we've never seen two people being the same kind of animal
Well, I'd say we have. The Eilanders and the Hotel Guests could be different people.
mossy imp
It would explain the deer skull in mr. Deers room
Maybe they have killed an other deer in the same room
nocturne yarrow
eh, maybe, or it could just be fitting decor.
mossy imp
I don't know, the same skull is in paradox, so I think it must mean something
nocturne yarrow
In Paradox, it might have been included because Dale seems to be the new heir to the "deer" archetype.
mossy imp
Maybe Dale is the third in row, because two other deers have been murdered at te hotel?
In the chapel, there's a bird skull, so I don't think those skulls are coincidents
nocturne yarrow
Here's the lineup as far as I can tell.
Jakob's dad in Paradise (don't remember his first name)
Mr. Deer from Hotel
Albert Vanderboom (wears a deer skull, seems likely to be tied to the lineage)
Dale Vandermeer
Also, not every item in these games necessarily means something. There's a baby in the chapel that is never explained or mentioned, it just kinda exists to add some horror.
mossy imp
That's true, maybe I am overthinking some items
I just consider it strange that mr. Deer has a deer skull in his room and doesn't even react to it.
covert wyvern
well some humans keep human skulls around as decoration
all be it fake or real
¯_(ツ)_/¯
mossy imp
But we don't place skulls in a hotel room
high talon
Lmao u never know
royal notch
I just consider it strange that mr. Deer has a deer skull in his room and doesn'...
Well, being enlightened doesn't mean that you forgot to be human.
You've just a new head, not a new personality.
supple tapir
I just consider it strange that mr. Deer has a deer skull in his room and doesn'...
well you are literally making poison in front of him too :P
mossy imp
Good point
high talon
Maybe he just don't care lol
supple tapir
too chill to care (joking)
mossy imp
Maybe the skull belongs to the headless deer we sometimes see in the games
royal notch
well you are literally making poison in front of him too :P
Nah, i don't think that they would see everything we doo, otherwise they would react someway.
nocturne yarrow
You've just a new head, not a new personality.
Yeah, exactly. I keep seeing people in this channel talking about how becoming enlightened erases your memories, which I don’t really understand, as there aren’t any examples of it that I’ve seen in the series.
azure bay
I just say that some may keep older momories some may not
As far as I can see, if you've been enlightened via elixir, you preserve your personality, otherwise you don't
Eilanders seem to get enlightenment in different way
That's probably why they could've forgotten
Because effectively some of them have changed their traits of character & none of them show any knowledge about the place & each other
The fact that in BD Rabbit remembers his former name could just mean that he retrieved all his memories (as in The Cave they are clearly sepatated from the guests)
royal notch
Only Gerald and David have still their main traits.
azure bay
Only Gerald and David have still their main traits.
Except for David not being that creepy anymore
royal notch
For me it isn't creepy, only strange. 😂 I mean, it's a person unable to take things seriously.
His brother's going to die, he says:- I hope i'm not the one who dies tonight!-. Not a nice thing, but also not so bad.
He's the definition of sarcasm.
astral frost
Well
No one of the Eilander cares about the death of one of the family
Except for Caroline, the only normal member
astral frost
As far as I can see, if you've been enlightened via elixir, you preserve your pe...
But what about Mr Owl? He reaches enlightenment in the same way the Eilanders did, but he also could remember his Human form (as we see in Paradox)
azure bay
But what about Mr Owl? He reaches enlightenment in the same way the Eilanders di...
No, Owl had a ritual of his own. He would've just died if Caroline wouldn't intervene.
Effectively, she caught Jacob's soul, created elixir using her memories & sacrificed herself. Mostly like William-Aldous case but completely non-materialistic
astral frost
I wonder if we will ever find out a way to connect all the dots
nocturne yarrow
I just don’t see where the idea of losing memories even came from.
Not to mention the Eilanders wanted to clear the plagues away, not reach enlightenment.
azure bay
Not to mention the Eilanders wanted to clear the plagues away, not reach enlight...
"Please, take our sacrifice & enlighten us"
royal notch
Not to mention the Eilanders wanted to clear the plagues away, not reach enlight...
That's not true. That family really wished to reach it, at all costs, including also human sacrifices! Also, at the end of the plagues, it's perfectly clear that they don't care about Jakob's death, and that become another occasion for Nicholas.
"You are meeting your destiny."!
azure bay
I just don’t see where the idea of losing memories even came from.
for me, the idea mostly comes from samsara. If that's a thing, if everyone is being constantly reborn in a new body but doesn't remember the past one then they all lose their memories & that's normal.
In RL being enlightened is technically being "reborn", as the realm of samsara is being changed during that. For some it's happens as transformation (Mr. Crow), for others as getting an actual new body (like Mr. Owl, as his previous one was likely to be completely burnt).
However, some enlightened ones obviously preserve memories & some seemingly don't. We have no idea how it works. However, I assume that the elixir could be the detail to distinguish them
nocturne yarrow
I suppose I get your point. However, the concept that the Hotel guests are literally different humans with the same souls as the Eilanders still stands under your “reborn in a new body” hypothesis. If that’s what you’ve been saying the whole time, then I’ve done a bunch of unnecessary arguing.
azure bay
I'm always glad to know a new opinion
We'll never know the truth but we can know a bunch of interpretations that may work together & create a bunch of bigger pictures
floral mauve
just like the flying fish god theory
nowherecaw‘s theory is mostly connected together
he is the big brain here
azure bay
currently I don't really try to connect different theories. Most of them are just built one on another.
some of my preferred ones are either independent or even sometimes contradicting
I have opinions on different major topic but no interconnected system
at least yet
& I don't really want to have just 1
as having just 1 makes no sense as it's pretty certain to be incorrect
from the dev's pov
royal notch
Eilanders or not, the guests seems a bit strange in the whole game, since they don't have the minime suspects to be in danger. At the third dinner, i wouldn't consider the ingredients and the missing guest a coincidence.
azure bay
And Vanderbooms will notice Willam ghost doing things
not that certain
cerulean crypt
Why no?
covert wyvern
yknow the thing is, I've been to hotels. and even if the guest list is low I wouldn't care about someone not being there for dinner
theyre not my problem lmao
azure bay
There's a possibility that CS may show themselves only when they want to
btw some of Vanderbooms have clearly seen William
cerulean crypt
But they will see his phisical inteaction
azure bay
Emma, Ida & Leonard did see him
azure bay
Ida?
the whole "fortune teller" chapter was about Ida spoiling the plot Roots. There probably was no sense in showing William's rebirth if he wasn't there to see it
azure bay
But they will see his phisical inteaction
if there was any
azure bay
So what are we doing whole game then?
I don't know. It could be manipulating the fate by little changes of the environment or just watching & waiting for everyone to eventually die
prisma monolith
Well, there was the whole "child Rose communication with ouija board" thing
And we were able to move the planchette
cerulean crypt
Actualy willam could take paint and write something on the wall
HE CAN interact with phisical things
azure bay
the only things that are confirmed to be done by the alchemist brothers were:
- Inviting James;
- Making him plant the tree by William's last will & testament;
- Making sure that the grandchildren will be there to finish the ritual.
prisma monolith
I've always thought of the premise of Roots being "every once in a while, a corrupted soul takes control of the household" since there's little to no information that happens inbetween the stages
azure bay
I guess, TPW will reveal some of the minor events
prisma monolith
Because we don't play it in real time, we just see scenes that happen in one day of a season in a year
azure bay
Because we don't play it in real time, we just see scenes that happen in one day...
"The Search" chapter seems to last for several years
prisma monolith
Kinda like in Seasons
azure bay
Emma's letter & the cross-over with Birthday secret scene make no sense if the chapter last for just a day
neither most of the dates written at the graveyard
royal notch
*theyre not my problem* lmao
Agree, but not if there are only other 4 people other me, and at every dinner is served (casually??) the same type of meat of the missing person.
covert wyvern
well I would be suspicious if the meat was human 
royal notch
supple tapir
and mr owl always invites the same set of species to his hotel right...?
cuz like in roots there are also these 5 animals to be seen in the hotel
i'm now seriously considering the possibility that mr owl is randomly gathering ppl who have the same traits as his family
royal notch
In Roots we see the guests in the hotel before the 1893, so before their death. I consider that they're the same.
azure bay
Boar couldn't be there before 1893
I guess it's a temporal anomaly or just a simple reference
for the puzzle sake
astral frost
I guess it's a temporal anomaly or just a simple reference
I think that it is a simple reference
Otherwise, it wouln't be the only contradiction in Roots
In one of Emma's levels, where she's searching her son and she writes the letter, we can see the light beam from the Hotel (the one which transformed Harvey), even if the dates don't match
cerulean crypt
In Game of lies we see paper about dead of Emma and Acident in Hotel
supple tapir
i checked the timeline, emma dies in 1896, but hotel takes place in 1893 O_O
cerulean crypt
Aciddent prodably means breakout?
azure bay
In one of Emma's levels, where she's searching her son and she writes the letter...
That's mostly y I think "The Search" lasting for several years
astral frost
That's mostly y I think "The Search" lasting for several years
Totally agree👉🏻
I should replay the games using this hypotesis
It could solve other contradictions
royal notch
3 days ago, nowherecrafter made me think about the elixir, and now i got a thought: what if the elixir has always been full, but it wasn't enough? In that case, the "full elixir" mentioned by Mr Owl it's not a powered version of the elixir, but A NEW ONE? What if the golden cube is that "elixir"? It could explain many things.
Caroline's recipe has memories as principal ingredient, how can William reached it without using them? The elixir of the alchemist brothers is not the final way to immortality, since It must be drunk periodically.
So, maybe is necessary combine it with some memories, maybe of someone that already had invoulontary discovered the enlightement secret, Dale!
azure bay
Caroline's formula is stated to result into a cube. Most likely the golden one. The only strong difference I see in Dale's case is his great effort of facing his demons & getting a higher state of consciousness.
The true immortality is impossible, according to original samsara
royal notch
Wait, so you think that the cube she draw wasn't an ingredient, but the result?
azure bay
As most of the arrows end there
royal notch
OMG, i should go and see better, i thought they STARTED from It!
azure bay
However, I admit that it could mean hiding the ingredients inside black cubes
royal notch
I don't know, now that you made me notice the arrows, i'm not so sure.
azure bay
Neither am I. I just have preference
royal notch
It was also a try to explain why of the "mind union", couldn't have they just extracted the formula memory? Instead, they made of Dale's life an hell (almost initially)!
azure bay
The last statement is debatable
azure bay
Don't you mean that Rabbit was sent to his BD by Owl?
royal notch
No, no, why? That was not programmed, Dale discovered ("discovered"... read "saw an enlightement without knowing what was") this secret society by mistake. But this mistake can have been a good start for Dale's future journey.
But i don't think It was on Jakob's purpose.
azure bay
Dale's role might've been predetermined all along
Jacob probably had a vision of him
& Owl has seen him in the cube
royal notch
That's true, but because of that it is really necessary exterminate his parents and kill innocent people? I don't want to think that Jakob has this kind of character, also because his past could have teached him something, that every life must be protect.
But also, i think at the "determined" future.
Like the one in the greek's mithis.
If you see what happen in the future, that thing will happen, always. Because the things you will do after have seen that, are the ones that have been already predicted.
nocturne yarrow
That's true, but because of that it is really necessary exterminate his parents ...
I mean, he kidnapped a bunch of randos for the White Door and had the Guests killed, he isn’t really a hero.
Maybe Mr. Owl wouldn’t kill Dale’s parents directly, but he’d sure as heck be fine with arranging it so Mr. Rabbit did.
royal notch
I mean, he kidnapped a bunch of randos for the White Door and had the Guests kil...
The guests are their family, and i think that everyone isn't free by revenge in this universe, and he killed him not without any reasons, but because he needed memories for the Lake. About the prisoners, i had some thought about them, but not sure. Anyway, he didn't killed them.
royal notch
Maybe Mr. Owl wouldn’t kill Dale’s parents directly, but he’d sure as heck be fi...
For now, we don't have evidences about that. Also, from the letter he left seems that Mr Rabbit did that massacre only for his purpose.
astral frost
Little guess about Mr Rabbit
Everyone in RL universe tries to change something in the past to make it better, if he/she wants to "balance the substance of his/her past lives"
So why for Mr Rabbit "balancing the substance of one of his past lives" means "killing apparently random people"?
Is it true that the only substance which matters is the gun?
Or Mr Rabbit is someway linked to Dale's family?
There's also Harvey's letter for Dale, which could totally be one of the Lake's memory modification, but it could also hide a deeper role for Dale
supple tapir
a sudden idea
if - i mean if - birthday didn't take place in 1939, but in, say, 1940, i would perhaps think that the mr rabbit in birthday is a metapher for the nazis
but in 1939... germany hadn't invaded the netherlands yet as far as i remember
(busy invading poland at that time)
royal notch
I don't think that the devs wanted to put nazist or war references in their game. There's only Leonard case, but was necessary for Roots trame.
royal notch
So why for Mr Rabbit "balancing the substance of one of his past lives" means "k...
I don't think that Mr Rabbit needed to kill people, but only get the gun (i don't know why). In fact, he spared Dale, otherwise he wouldn't have left the letter.
supple tapir
it would be interesting though, to see ww2 from dale/laura/bob's point of view
they were children by then, and if there was a game set during ww2 it might be a narnia/pan's labyrinth kind of story
astral frost
Oh right, he takes the gun and he runs away
So the gun IS specifically the object which will let him being reborn
The reason... we don't know yet
royal notch
it would be interesting though, to see ww2 from dale/laura/bob's point of view
t...
Yeah, It would be, maybe we'll see in Laura's game.
covert wyvern
@supple tapir let's not.
supple tapir
ah sorry
shall i delete that?
covert wyvern
preferably.
supple tapir
sorry again
covert wyvern
It's fine to discuss major historical events that appear in the games; IE WW1. but even then please do be weary to not overstep any boundries
no it's quite alright. just a friendly heads up 😄
sometimes theories get a bit too out there. this was one of those times
supple tapir
i really didn't mean to offend anyone
covert wyvern
and we mods are here to step in when that happens.
No I completely understand.
so lets make sure no one gets offended by not mentioning it if its not necessary for the Current events of the game
covert wyvern
I get where you're both coming from, don't worry.
I do agree with the notion that it's probably a bad idea to show WW2 in a RL game.
I'm honestly a firm believer showing WW1 was a bad idea
but that's just me.
I prefer the RL games to be a bit more surreal and not tied to real life major historical events
supple tapir
on another topic, how common are asuras/animalpeople(?) in the world of rusty lake?
covert wyvern
see that's an interesting question,.
if Mr. boar is an ambassador of sorts
you'd almost think there's a community of them out there.
supple tapir
(and are all asuras semi-immortal?)
covert wyvern
that is my assumption. but i may well be wrong.
supple tapir
cuz like in paradise and roots it seems that it's very hard to become an asura, but in hotel it seems that there are asuras everywhere
covert wyvern
I wouldn't say everywhere but I wouldn't be surprised a community exists.
maybe the lake crew is "new" to this community
hence Mr. Boars visit
which they then promptly proceed to murder
but that's beside the point
(if we assume asura's are indeed semi-immortal and we DO assume there's a community out there it's only fair to assume this community may have existed for centuries, long before mr owl even became, well, mr owl)
but this is a wild out there accusation.
nocturne yarrow
I just feel like we would've seen more of this community if it existed beyond the lake. Like, there might be a decent amount of people working with Mr. Owl who assume asura forms, but I haven't seen any references to them existing outside the lake's influence.
covert wyvern
aye! an excellent point
hence why I comment that my accusation is wild and out there
supple tapir
(btw, are bat and toad asuras too?)
covert wyvern
I assume they are.
royal notch
For me, yes. After they reach It, they went to the hotel.
I mean, for me, everyone can reach enlightement with the right behaviour whit the Lake, on their own. Then Mr Owl, the first one, find and invite them to be part of this society.
nocturne yarrow
Something I always considered a possibility is that asura-fication works both ways, as in some of them started as animals and became humanoid. The distinction for me is based on speech- both Mr. Bat and Harvey never speak in their human forms, and both have no explained origins, which makes me think they started as animals.
Mr. Toad is just an utter enigma though.
supple tapir
and why didn't the dog in roots turn into an asura?
it didn't die after drinking the elixir, so it should have got the enlightenment
(if we assume enlightenment=turning into asura and become semi-immortal)
cerulean crypt
It might be not concius enought
supple tapir
(also, why didn't james turn into a corrupted soul?)
it seems that he just died like an ordinary person
nocturne yarrow
...I think we might be forced to accept that the RL devs aren't super consistent about their rules.
azure bay
So why for Mr Rabbit "balancing the substance of one of his past lives" means "k...
That. Was. About. The pistol.
The pistol of Pheasant. Of the one he used to work with at theater
Mr. Owl could make this pistol appear at Vandermeer's possession but I tend to think otherwise as Owl was communicating with Dale from 1966
Like that year it was the first time he finally knew who exactly to look for
nocturne yarrow
I think the pistol being at Dale’s house was an unfortunate coincidence, which caused him to be perfect for Mr. Owl’s plans, not the other way around.
supple tapir
... i saw a fanfiction of RL hotel and i suddenly have the feeling that it could perhaps be developed into a theory
the fanfic itself is an "everyone is human!AU", and the hotel just sells human flesh disguised as normal meat
so what if the guests are actually humans? maybe they're animals in the eyes of harvey (and perhaps mr owl and co. as well)
that might explain why the guests have normal occupations in the human society
azure bay
... i saw a fanfiction of RL hotel and i suddenly have the feeling that it could...
They are believed to be asurs not humans. Their demise was in order to discover Dale.
supple tapir
ah
floral mauve
I believe that those asuras can switch between asura form and human form
just like Mr Crow and Owl in the cave
the Guests should be similar
cerulean crypt
But can they switch beetwen animal form and asura form?
floral mauve
I doubt they have the animal form
cerulean crypt
We see crows in games but we don't have enought proof that i is mr.Crow
floral mauve
We see crows in games but we don't have enought proof that i is mr.Crow
exactly
But Mr Owl might be fish though
cerulean crypt
but in Roots on painting called Crow and dead man we see crow as bird and siluhhete of CS
cerulean crypt
But Mr Owl might be fish though
Are you starting again with fish god?
floral mauve
nah
I am being serious since in fish and parrot, Mr Owl is likely to be represented as fish
and his future mind form is also fish
cerulean crypt
And in paradox i know
but maybe this is what happen when he cant get more elixir?
floral mauve
I am being serious since in fish and parrot, Mr Owl is likely to be represented ...
flying fish with holy light might represent deva
(or flying fish god)
floral mauve
but maybe this is what happen when he cant get more elixir?
when he cant get elixir he will become a bald fat man
cerulean crypt
when he cant get elixir he will become a bald fat man
With glasses
floral mauve
With glasses
emmmm I dont remember
I dont think in submarine he wore glasses
but in TWD I think he did?
floral mauve
special made traps are called fish traps
since it is used to hunt the fish down only
btw, I have another evidence to complete this theory
in Mill, the old woman ate a fish
which is a relative of the flying fish god
so she got punished by being killed by Laura's CS
the power of the flying fish god is inevitable
except the damn little Dale
azure bay
I was heavily doubting the manager being Mr. Owl until recent time
The thing that convinced me once & for all was Bob Rafferty's behind the scene video
deft quiver
How much TPW will be 
covert wyvern
@deft quiver do you mean like price wise? bc theories isn't the place to ask and the answer is we dont know.
covert wyvern
it is not. and neither is any other channel.
deft quiver
Understood
stable wigeon
That. Was. About. The pistol.
The pistol of Pheasant. Of the one he used to wor...
Again I dont think it is literally the pistol i think it just represents something
possibly the core memories of said lives
negative and positive memories balance each other
floral mauve
I have a question, is CS inevitable
azure bay
I have a question, is CS inevitable
What do you mean?
floral mauve
I am not sure if Mr Rabbit show up as a CS in birthday
stable wigeon
he is shown in hotel
floral mauve
What do you mean?
can they be killed in physical form
stable wigeon
in place of his CS is a cs with that same rabbit mask
floral mauve
like if you punch them, you got some kinda feedback
stable wigeon
why?
stable wigeon
i think they are both
floral mauve
if Mr rabbit CS can be shot
stable wigeon
oh i see where yorue coming from
floral mauve
why cant Mr Owl just use some shotgun and hunt down all of other guests
stable wigeon
but if not
then this would make sense
if this was a previous life
he travled back in time to his previous life
azure bay
Again I dont think it is literally the pistol i think it just represents somethi...
Think what you want but Laura was changing her state by altering physical objects from her past life as well
stable wigeon
yea ik and i think they mean different things
the mushroom obviously is connected with naraka
prozac is depression
floral mauve
I think maybe those are the most important subject from their previous life
stable wigeon
flower and cactus fruit not sure
stable wigeon
I think maybe those are the most important subject from their previous life
this is what I believe as well
floral mauve
for example
in the Mill
you can see it in the memory machine
some important objects
stable wigeon
the pistol was the most important part of that previous life of mr rabbit/s
stable wigeon
especially if she was a literal miscarried fetus that is the only memorable part of that life
azure bay
if Mr rabbit CS can be shot
Mr. Rabbit seems to be different in Birthday. If he's a CS he had to go a long way before becoming physical & vulnerable to bullets
floral mauve
Mr. Rabbit seems to be different in Birthday. If he's a CS he had to go a long w...
exactly
stable wigeon
exactly
floral mauve
that the part I doubt if he showed up as a CS or not
stable wigeon
this is why i think it was a previous life he revisited
youre right
and i think he wanted to get shot
floral mauve
He seems not agressive(reckless) in birthday
azure bay
this is why i think it was a previous life he revisited
What previous life?
stable wigeon
not sure but remember how we discussed
stable wigeon
i was under the impression that time traveling was going back to previous lives and previous memories
floral mauve
azure bay
and i think he wanted to get shot
Then why did he grab the pisol
azure bay
Yep
stable wigeon
would he have gotten shot if dale didnt come back to revisit that life?
stable wigeon
even if pistol was present
azure bay
would he have gotten shot if dale didnt come back to revisit that life?
Unlikely
floral mauve
thats his actual point
he wants to get shot by Dale
stable wigeon
yes i believe so as well although i do not have solid evidence
azure bay
it wasnt a big box
This logic may be not applicable to the game plot. A plot hole but nnot that relevant
stable wigeon
but the ending he seems to have died and whatever the tree means
floral mauve
well, a fucking flying fish god can exist
stable wigeon
i take that as meaning he moved on from CS state
floral mauve
why not this logic
floral mauve
but the ending he seems to have died and whatever the tree means
he becomes a tree
stable wigeon
what else could it mean? what else could he do? he either succeeds in escaping CS or he doesnt
tree isnt part of samsara
floral mauve
this tree remind me of the fish tree in the Lake
stable wigeon
yea true
stable wigeon
he was absorbed by it
unless that tree itself is significant which it may be
there was the tree in roots that could be related
but seeing as he was physically absorbed it seems he went somewhere or something happened to him
azure bay
My guess is that he was getting a physical body step by step & at the end of his journey as he failed he just lost all he gained
& probably became a regular CS once again
stable wigeon
you dont believe in my past life hypothesis?
azure bay
I have no Idea what past it is
azure bay
With my current set of beliefs I see no way of Rabbit naturally living in 1939
azure bay
He was talking about the past life
stable wigeon
oh true
but there has to have been a past life that he was referring to
a past life related at least to that pistol
unless he balanced his past lives by a new memory in the present
azure bay
He used to work with Pheasant. The pistol she used to kill herself could be also related to him.
That's the only explanation I currently see. If you come up with something else I'll hear you out
azure bay
Yeah, that's strange
azure bay
Could be explained by him still being emotionally unstable as most of CS are
stable wigeon
then why so apologetic
so wait
you think he needed to balance the substance
of his life as mr rabbit
azure bay
At least then
stable wigeon
by means of the pistol pheasent used to kill herself
azure bay
We don't really know what balancing the substance is
stable wigeon
i really believe it has something to do with posititve and negative memories
floral mauve
Could be explained by him still being emotionally unstable as most of CS are
Plan, disguise, kill
stable wigeon
because we see people change cubes from black to white
floral mauve
thats not a normal CS would do
stable wigeon
and we needed both a black and a white cube for the gold one
although that may not be related
azure bay
thats not a normal CS would do
I've already told why Rabbit could be unique in this way
stable wigeon
if he was trying to make a body
floral mauve
because we see people change cubes from black to white
Paradise?
azure bay
Birthday
stable wigeon
i was talking birthday
and i was also thinking seasons
but that is a different case
seasons is weird
lol
floral mauve
I didnt follow, when and how you change black cubes into white?
stable wigeon
i dont get what is real and what is reality
by making the bad memory a good memory
floral mauve
I know but where you see it
azure bay
i think........?
I approve
floral mauve
the cube becomes white
azure bay
the cube becomes white
Hard to tell if that's the same cube
stable wigeon
is there time travel in paradise
floral mauve
the painting at the end of the plague
azure bay
is there time travel in paradise <:hold_up:783683378254708747>
Harvey from the future ooooooooo!
floral mauve
it will turn black into white
floral mauve
wait is Harvey in Paradise?
azure bay
it will turn black into white
It doesn't mean that Caroline's cubes did so
stable wigeon
possibly
floral mauve
It doesn't mean that Caroline's cubes did so
true
floral mauve
I didnt find too much about the easter egg in paradise
floral mauve
did you guys see Harvey in Paradise?
stable wigeon
its prob just an easter egg tho
azure bay
maybe before he was asura?
Harvey seems to go decades into the future in order to bring letter/flower
stable wigeon
but then wouldnt u have to call harvey in roots an easter egg as well
floral mauve
holy shit, Harvey is mad as f
stable wigeon
parrots can time travel
floral mauve
evil than Mr Owl afterall
azure bay
its prob just an easter egg tho
A friend of mine thinks that any easter egg that can give some info is canon
stable wigeon
fish can fly parrots can time travel
yea ik i dont think it would be right
to completely disregard it
stable wigeon
i just assumed that harvey was parrot
then asura
then owl forced him into parrot when he died
floral mauve
i just assumed that harvey was parrot
that what I have been talking about for weeks
azure bay
i just assumed that harvey was parrot
That also could be the case
floral mauve
then owl forced him into parrot when he died
how he die, the seasons?
stable wigeon
or maybe his karma canceled out and he went back to prev form lol
died in snowglobe at birthday
floral mauve
?
stable wigeon
i mean the asura
floral mauve
he just changes between them?
stable wigeon
maybe didnt die
azure bay
he just changes between them?
Unlikely
stable wigeon
i dont think you can just change
floral mauve
you didnt see blood or any evidence showing that he was directly killed by the guests CS
azure bay
maybe didnt die
Then what did Owl do over him having a rest on the staircase ?
stable wigeon
you didnt see blood or any evidence showing that he was directly killed by the g...
true
?
staircase
floral mauve
i dont think you can just change
well Mr Crow and Owl can just switch their heads from human and asura directly in the Cave
why cant Harvey switch between animal and asura
stable wigeon
its like a skin puppet imo
azure bay
stable wigeon
u see his body
stable wigeon
you didnt see blood or any evidence showing that he was directly killed by the g...
anyway i think this is actually very important there must be a reason why they purposefully didnt show us what happened
azure bay
I see Owl evoking the lightbeam
floral mauve
the camera cut away
then Harvey flew?
stable wigeon
no i mean
the moment the CS attacked
what exactly happened between then and the light beam
floral mauve
I dont get the correlation
azure bay
Alright
Harvey was overwhelmed with CS. He was scared. Then Owl was standing over a pile of (body?) & made the magical light strike them. Then Harvey flew away as a parrot & we've never seen his asur form ever after
floral mauve
emmmmmm
thats weird
so you assume the asura form of the animal is just like some sort of skin?
azure bay
No
stable wigeon
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I assume that Harvey died
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then how he flew
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& Owl gave him another life
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but this seems different
this is a very strange way of rebirth
instantanous like that?
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& Owl gave him another life
but we saw him as the parrot before he becomes the asura no?
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also more importantly
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but we saw him as the parrot before he becomes the asura no?
Only in Paradise
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I doubt Mr Owl knows the technique of instant reborn
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lol he transformed
sounds like Disney movie
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unless he had a parrot egg in his pocket happened to hatch
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Transformation is a usual way of rebirth
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naw
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Transformation is a usual way of rebirth
Eilanders?
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it wasnt natural samsara
therefore, whats your definition of "natural" asura
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Crow transformed into asur, Bob transformed into pret, David transformed into mindless fly-man
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i meant samsara
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bruh
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cs may be a different case
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you dont see people transforming into animals
D Eiliander?
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in fact it has to be
but that was ritualistic
also i dunno what exactly u are talking about
im saying normal people
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The lake seems to give Eilanders their asur forms. Why can't weaker Owl do the same but with a lesser form?
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The lake seems to give Eilanders their asur forms. Why can't weaker Owl do the s...
recall their ages in hotel didnt match
you told me that
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they are rebirth
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there must have been an in-between
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recall their ages in hotel didnt match
Than doesn't contradict me at all. They were reborn & started aging from the scratch
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reincarnation of the Eilanders
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i thought u said that the ages dont match in that case
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but the funny part is that they werent reborn at the same time
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theyd all be the same age if it were instantanous no?
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yep
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they arent
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so its not instantaneous
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thats what im sayinnn
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owl has superpowers
ppl fly
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idk lol
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he made Dale fly
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and made it storm
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teleport 100
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by t-posing
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I want you to bare in mind that RL universe seems to be soft
Almost each time we get a new different example of rebirth or transformation
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bruh
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Almost each time we get a new different example of rebirth or transformation
but they all have different circumstances
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therefore, the concept of Samsara isnt important anymore?
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The rules become more & more different to describe the further we go
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either owl is involved
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since everyone has an individual case
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or there is a ritualistic sacrifice
Lake likes it
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this cant be the natural samsara
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who the fuck follows the Samsara except William
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therefore, the concept of Samsara isnt important anymore?
It still is. But it doesn't have to work in one certain way
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william doesnt