🤔｜theories

[azure bay]

cya

[mossy imp]

Bye

[floral mauve]

is that why there might be two version of Dale, one is good normal Dale, another one is ruthless deer head deva one

[azure bay]

In TWD deer Dale seems to be as chill as during his other cameo

[floral mauve]

not only in TWD but also in paradox

[azure bay]

I mean

the normal Dale in dream 4

[stable wigeon]

something weird about hotel

you dont use the memory extractor

and we never actually see them extracted

like they arent there when u first kill them

idk was just wondering its a bit of a stretch

i wonder if the mechanism of feeding them to each other serves more than a surrealistic atmosphere

because previously memories are extracted from already dead bodies and you think what happens to their bodies that have their memories in them?

theyre consumed by each other and then finally taken to owl after which we finally see the cubes for the first time

idk just a thought

[ebon aspen]

I think its okay, dying dont mean that youll have your memories extracted in the act
And the extraction machine only appeared in the mill, as an improved way to get the memories

Oh and btw, not seeing a extraction machine dont mean that mr owl didnt use one with the hotel guests

Tbh it doesnt make much difference since the memories being extracted/mr owl family getting corrupted was the important thing on hotel

[stable wigeon]

well like i said

im not saying he didnt use it im saying he may have used it but we didnt see when he extracted them, however he did.
the only time he couldve wouldve been the window of time between when we enter his room and when the scene in his room starts

but the memories were collected via the asuras consuming each other cause the meat can be seen as their bodies; their bodies are what have the memories in them...(since we dont see any cubes after the murders)

i know it isn't important but just something interesting

idk just trying to connect the cannibalism in somewhere lol

actually furthermore this could be why there was a cube on the silver platter

[azure bay]

I need to underline 2 things

In previous games CS are easy to leave their memories

At least Bob did so in the secret TWD scene

The other thing is that the only memory extracted could be the white prophecy cube

Everything else was still with the guests

They seemed to be hiding inside them (that could be alternatively seen in previous games)

[floral mauve]

the thing I dont understand is that in Hotel, the guests CS are black cubes

like black cubes become CS

in the Owl room we see the black cubes are stored in the container and can become a CS

[royal notch]

Personally, i've always thought that Harvey, after have killed the guests, takes only a small part of their body, the part in the recipe. Then, during the day, Mr Owl enters in the rooms, takes the skulls (where, i imagine, memories are stored) and extracts the memories.

[stable wigeon]

yeah this seems more likely but i was just trying to loosely find a way to tie in that detail of consuming each other, and i still kinda think it works

[stable wigeon]

i dont understand wym by this

like relevance wise

u said that in response right

[azure bay]

What I'm trying to say, if the guests are corrupted it might be easier to retrieve their memories. So cannibalism may have just another purpose

[stable wigeon]

i think the CS's seem to be the manifestations of the cubes themselves. After all, i presume all thats left of them is clinging on to hate and vengeance due to that specific memory

corrupted beforehand?

[azure bay]

I think you are not far from thruth. However, CS can be separated from their cubes (still not breaking the link) & those separated cubes are unlikely to produce another soul because Samsara doesn't consider that originally

[stable wigeon]

yeah

the thing is after they are sacrificed

how do they move on

i still kinda think thats what the balancing of substance is for right

further

[azure bay]

At least, this is the way to make the process go faster & have more certain outcome

[stable wigeon]

if a sacrificed cs moves on thru the asura

does the memory still exist in the lake

does that matter or is that a dumb question

[azure bay]

what do u mean by "sacrificed cs"?

[stable wigeon]

i mean what seems to be the purpose of getting the cubes in the first place

"memories belong to the lake"

especially

those specific ones seem to have been sacrificed (you see them in hell outside the room dale is in) for the sole purpose of dale's enlightenment

doesnt it seem like it

[azure bay]

I think, it's the lake's childish desire. If it's not fulfilled the lake's power may lead the world to an end I guess

[stable wigeon]

just as jacob was sacrificed

just seeing tho as how jacob was sacrificed for his family to ensure their eventual birth as asura

maybe they were also sacrificed for a specific deed from the lake

i think that because of 2 things

mainly the white cube in hotel

also seeing them in hell as dale is in the room preparing for enlightenment

[azure bay]

I see a long-term plan on Owl's behalf. He understands that he's not eternal & will be unable to keep the lake calm forever. So he needed a successor & getting that white cube was a way of finding one

[stable wigeon]

u think it was just to find one?

[azure bay]

At least to know how he will look

[stable wigeon]

its interesting though he says "not only key to past but also to future" then shows that white cube

thats why i came to the conclusion that he sacrificed them so dale can reach enlightment

[azure bay]

the cube is clearly about the future

it shows the one who'll start the enlightenment journey

[stable wigeon]

or further waiting until he arrives

i guess its all specilation until we can know for sure how the forest works

i assumed it was a hell either after u die or after the cs's/cubes are sacrificed to the lake

[azure bay]

I don't think that the forest is a big deal in Hotel & the cubes presented then.

In other games it seems to be a way for 2 things:

1. stock the extracted memories
2. temporary separate a person from their memories in order to give a possibility of entering them

[stable wigeon]

yes i agree with the first one

that is what im saying

but if the memories have a CS associated with it like we see in the cave they are all down there

it seems the soul is also trapped

[azure bay]

I don't think so

Deer has left the lake's bottom in Case 23

& I have reasons to think that it's the same Deer

[stable wigeon]

oh right

there are 2 deers tho

it could check out if it was dale instead

since as far as we know his memories werent sacrificed to the lake

[azure bay]

I'm sure that the Deer in Case 23 is the same one that died in Hotel

[stable wigeon]

the thing is if thats the case

why the deer?

[azure bay]

for any to no reason?

[floral mauve]

the deer skull or the deer headed Dale

[azure bay]

to make another Twin Peaks reference?

[stable wigeon]

well seeing as the deer motif is important to dale i dont think it can be disregarded so easily

[floral mauve]

I think the animals are symbolised

especially Deer

[stable wigeon]

also it causes more confusion as to whether it is mr deer or dale

[floral mauve]

bruh

[stable wigeon]

yes but deer motif has a purpose for dale right

[azure bay]

this whole motif could be a big reference

[stable wigeon]

bruh

the entirity of paradox

doesnt that foreshadow deer to be a deerhead

*dale

[azure bay]

the entirety of Paradox is about moths

[stable wigeon]

deer to be the dalehead

moths?

im lost

[azure bay]

It's likely but I'm not sure if there must be any significant connection to Mr. Deer

[stable wigeon]

lol

i know

but i tend to think there could be a reason

why mr deer is after dale

cuz like the deer motif i tend to take quite seriously

because of its occurrence with dale

[cerulean crypt]

Actualy what is relacio beetwen Mr.Crow and mr.Owl
are they work partners or are they boss-worker

[stable wigeon]

neither

both

idk

[cerulean crypt]

ANd what about Harvey

[stable wigeon]

they both serve the lake

harvey seems to be under Owl's direction but again this is for the lake

[azure bay]

possibly, even relatives

[cerulean crypt]

But Owl has his own goal

[stable wigeon]

hold up

[stable wigeon]

ur the one that was complaining about soap operas earlier 😓😓😓

[cerulean crypt]

Relatives?

Did i miss something?

[stable wigeon]

i dont want to think about it

lol

[azure bay]

yep, but the reality doesn't care about my feelings. I've presented a theory yesterday. It has its weak points but I find it interesting nevertheless

[stable wigeon]

tru tru

[azure bay]

I'm also not the author

[stable wigeon]

oh thats right isnt it

lmao

or are you 😏

[azure bay]

nah, I'm not cool enough to find info hidden that much in background objects

[real lantern]

That is true, we have never seen noflavor and nowherecaw in the same place at the same time

...interesting

[cerulean crypt]

HOW MR.OWL AND CROW CAN BE RELATIVES

[stable wigeon]

noflavor's alt account

[azure bay]

long story short, a fetus from Pheasant's past life being covered in ink & leaving a heart behind is her son William going corrupted & contributing his sacrifice to his future rebirth

[real lantern]

Holy crap, i never thought about that

[cerulean crypt]

AND WHO CREATE THIS?

[real lantern]

Thats interesting

[cerulean crypt]

Also we don't know conection bettwen mr.Owl and guests

[azure bay]

some guy from reddit

[stable wigeon]

how is pheasant related to crow

dont tell me crow is an eilander

[azure bay]

in their past lives they were mother & son

[stable wigeon]

oh thats what u mean

[cerulean crypt]

How is pheasant realated to Eilanders?

[azure bay]

She's believed to be reborn Elizabeth

[cerulean crypt]

We don't have enought proof

[stable wigeon]

no we dont but

[azure bay]

we have plenty of parallels & minor clues in Paradise

[stable wigeon]

i mean the entire animal masks what would that then serve other than to throw us off

throw us off with no suitable replacement

[real lantern]

And clues like EVERYONE in paradise wearing animal masks coresponding to the animals in hotel

[azure bay]

Eilanders were also searching for enlightenment & seem to meet all the requirements in the end

[stable wigeon]

did they

[real lantern]

I think so....

[stable wigeon]

did they reach dev? i thought they only made it to asura

and only jacob reached dev

[azure bay]

"Please, take our sacrifice & enlighten us"

[stable wigeon]

ik but jacob was enlightened instead

they got pranked

they are asuras in hotel right

[azure bay]

I think neither Jacob nor his family became devs. Their journeys required much less effort than Dale's one

[stable wigeon]

and i dont see any referance to a previous anthropomorphic form which would be extremely important

yea ik maybe not owl

but why does owl seemingly have more power

like flashback to when he t posed to summon a thunderstorm

[azure bay]

he's either more talanted or gets his powers from the lake as he serves it

[real lantern]

Maybe because he joined his mom's corrupted soul?

I remember something like that happening, but its been a while since i used my brain for rusty lake lmao

[azure bay]

this fusion is confusing from samsara pov. Originally, souls don't fuse nor split

[stable wigeon]

bro please

please

no fusing souls

i would lose all hope

[floral mauve]

fuse 1000 souls to create mega CS

gg

[real lantern]

Hahahha

[azure bay]

& destroy Godzilla

that lives under the lake

[stable wigeon]

if fusing souls then

[floral mauve]

King Kong's CS

[stable wigeon]

we be like "what if x was the fusion of y and z"

what a mess

[real lantern]

Well... maybe its just a simbolic way to show that part of the sacrifices becomes part of the people who receive the lake's blessing?

[azure bay]

I'll remember that

[stable wigeon]

interesting

[real lantern]

But like, not literaly, i dont believe that laura has... scarface's brain

[stable wigeon]

fusing souls im having fnaf flashbacks

[real lantern]

LMAO

Please, get that curse away from here

[stable wigeon]

sorry SORRY

dont ban me

[floral mauve]

bruh

[real lantern]

But anyway, lets get back on track

[azure bay]

which one?

we seem to discuss multiple debatable things at once

[real lantern]

Any one of those, taje your pick lmao

Which one do you think is the most interesting RN

[floral mauve]

Laura CS

[cerulean crypt]

LAura corupted boody you mean?

[floral mauve]

this thing is a mixture

It is the fusion of the entire Vanderboom

It is a man made creature

[cerulean crypt]

YES

[floral mauve]

not even consider to be human at the first place tbh

[cerulean crypt]

But what that changes to her body?

[floral mauve]

more man made than Rose

[cerulean crypt]

But she was born by ROse

[azure bay]

disagree, her hair do not correspond the one sacrificed

[floral mauve]

true

[azure bay]

& there was too much missing to create a body

[floral mauve]

perhaps contains the genes of the tree

[real lantern]

There we go, that comes back to what i said, do the people who get the lake's blessing get litteral parts of the sacrifices? Just the life power? Something else entirely? What?

[floral mauve]

in order to fill the rest of her body

[azure bay]

what is the lake blessing?

[real lantern]

Laura is groot

[floral mauve]

BRUH

[real lantern]

Anything that people make a sacrifice for

[floral mauve]

Laura is abnormal as f

BOB fall in love with a weird ass creature

not a normal human

[cerulean crypt]

BOB is tragic character

[floral mauve]

maybe thats why he is a tragic character

[real lantern]

It could be the elixir, could be reeincarnation, could be five extra inches on your left big toe, ANYTHING

[floral mauve]

a factory worker fall in love with a artificial human

[azure bay]

she seems to be born as one. Rose was kept inside the clock for almost a year

[floral mauve]

she has mental problem

she needs mental health&fishing

[real lantern]

I mean, depression isnt that uncommon sadly

[cerulean crypt]

AND HE GO HERE

[azure bay]

I think the only people who have sacrificed anything to the lake were Eilanders & Mr. Owl. The alchemist brothers, William's CS & so on could do their rituals without relying on the lake

[floral mauve]

not necessarily depression

perhaps brain trauma

[covert wyvern]

except she takes prozac

[floral mauve]

her soul is damn fat ass William

[covert wyvern]

so it's very likely depression

[azure bay]

Rose could be a terrible mother

we don't know yet

[floral mauve]

maybe

[azure bay]

childhood is crucial for mental health

Both Albert & Dale confirm

[real lantern]

Maybe she was in love with her brother/cousin and when he died she got so sad she abused her daughter, theres a bunch of things that could happen

[floral mauve]

but at least she taught Laura drawing

[real lantern]

I dunno what im typing at this point, im very drunk

[floral mauve]

bruh?

[covert wyvern]

@real lantern in that case I highly suggest you log off for the day

[floral mauve]

soap opera confirmed

[azure bay]

we've seen a broken timepiece. That could be the reason for their conflict

[covert wyvern]

before you start saying things you'll regret.

[cerulean crypt]

Also what happend to dale so he has Ihtiophobia?

WHAT HAPPEND TO HIM SO HE FARS FISH

[real lantern]

Yeah, im at that tipping point arent i?

[covert wyvern]

when people start with

"I don't know im very drunk"

they often are, I've found 😉

so protect yourself and others.

[real lantern]

Hahahah, thanks

[covert wyvern]

take care. drink enough water.

anyway fish.

[floral mauve]

Mod power

[covert wyvern]

nah just being a decent human being.

[floral mauve]

I am gonna study

[covert wyvern]

goodluck o/

[floral mauve]

this theory is getting weird today

[cerulean crypt]

Why dales fears fishesh?

Sometimes phobia is related to past trauma

[covert wyvern]

aye and some may be related to geneticws

genetics.

[cerulean crypt]

It can also be irracional fear

[covert wyvern]

maybe he had a bad experience while fishing, maybe he was born with it

lol

[azure bay]

(waits for another game about Dale's traumatic fishing experience)

[covert wyvern]

Rusty lake fishing trip, a new premium game

(this is obviously a joke)

[cerulean crypt]

But Dale don't fear fish in Bday

So it can be post trauma

[azure bay]

Or we don't see it clearly

bare in mind that the BD game is Dale from 1972 revisiting his childhood memories

it's hard to understand when the person just relives them

& when they start changing them

[cerulean crypt]

Actualy i will fear fish if ithey were so wierd IRL

They can easly go out of water and sneak to your house

[azure bay]

Fly* into your house, as far a I see

[cerulean crypt]

Fly?

THEY CAN FLY?

[azure bay]

If we take "A fish & a parrot" literally. That would also explain how they get into mouse & bear traps

[cerulean crypt]

Ohhh

Fishesh has more secret than it might seem'

they might look like roach or golden redhores but they are more misterius

[royal notch]

How can you be sure? I've always tried to figure out that time.

[azure bay]

She entered the clock then we see seasons passing

[royal notch]

We see only the tree dying(?)

[azure bay]

I don't think it was dying

but falling leaves due to the respective season

as it happened several times

but I'd better check

you make me doubt

[royal notch]

Me too, dude.

Because i considered also another way.

That tree is not a normal one, is the Life tree.

[azure bay]

no indication of that

[royal notch]

Could it be that the tree gave his Life ti reborn William?

[azure bay]

it could

but it wasn't instantanious

it took time

previously I assumed that it was several months

maybe less

[royal notch]

I assume that from Samsara room, and also because it's pretty strange that a tree is able ti absorb body parts.

[royal notch]

I agree.

[azure bay]

the tree was an essential part of the ritual.

IDK how but it's clearly originated from William's body

[royal notch]

The ipothesis are so many:

1. some hours (just the time for the tree to die);
2. 9 months (a normal gravidance, if Laura had born from Rose);
3. some istants (Samsara is another dimension, the time in here could be very short or long in the reality, we don't know).

[royal notch]

Just for that i'm saying that It's not a normal tree.

[azure bay]

I'd throw away the 3d option cause the time was clearly fast forwarded

[royal notch]

Yeah, you're right.

But anyway, i prefer thinking that the tree is no more. Like, it has done his job.

[azure bay]

I guess, we'll discover that in the game about young Laura

[royal notch]

Hope it'll be immediatly after TPW, and free!

[azure bay]

fat chance for me

it's implied to be a continuation of the main arc

[floral mauve]

Did RL deves abandon the idea of red forest?

or the hell forest

I have never seen it in recent ones

[real lantern]

and im back peeps, whats poppin?

[floral mauve]

we didnt even see the red forest in paradox

which is a perfect chance

to put it

[real lantern]

I drank a lot of water and slept for 2 hours, i shouldnt embarass myself too much

[floral mauve]

check your kidney

someone drugged you

[real lantern]

Anyway, lets keep it to theorys shall we lmao

The red forest, it is a part of samsara right?

[floral mauve]

I dont know

it appeared in seasons

and theatre

why not more

[real lantern]

If samsara is the big wheel of life, then it should be right?

Because its in the wheel in theatre and in cave

[floral mauve]

I thought forest in under the lake

like the black ones

but where is the red one

[cerulean crypt]

Maybe the red forest is part of black forest

[azure bay]

The last appearance of the red forest was in Paradise

It just wasn't red

However, it's the same by association

The Cave was the last time it was red

Some believe this forest also being featured in Paradox

[stable wigeon]

The lake was red in hotel as well

and since the forest is in the lake its only logical the forest was as well

i dont quite get why the lake changes color lol

unless its "expecting" sacrifice

[small sigil]

i just finished playing the white door

i have a question, why laura knows about the hotel?

[covert wyvern]

Assuming she's been to the cabin and the hotel is in the middle of the lake

It's not unlikely she's seen it in person

[small sigil]

ahh right i forgot about the cabin

[azure bay]

She was born & likely raised there

[covert wyvern]

also that of course

:crowgog

*8

[azure bay]

Her RL trip was after she met Bob & broke up with him

[astral frost]

What do you think about the city where Bob lives?

I mean, it is never named

Do you think that it's near the Lake?

[azure bay]

I think it's heck far away

I tend to think that Dale, Laura & Bob all lived in US (because of many specific references)

If we try being more specific - in New York

[astral frost]

We are assuming they all lived in the same city

Am I wrong?

[azure bay]

I guess, no. Since both were under jurisdiction of Dale's PD

although that would just mean that they share the state, it's not that difficult to assume that they also shared the city

it would make everything more natural

[astral frost]

Yes I agree with you

What are the references to New York btw?

[azure bay]

mostly ARG

That's the city where Bob's cube was located. However, Hoorn's body located nearby was more indicative

Hoorn had a pretty high position in TWD

[astral frost]

Fair enough

I didn't remember that clip

[azure bay]

therefore, he wouldn't venture far from his workplace

[astral frost]

Yep

[astral frost]

Have we ever discussed about this?

About Hoorn's death

[covert wyvern]

maybe he was on a business trip :crowgg

[astral frost]

XD

[azure bay]

I've discussed it with plenty of people so I don't remember

[azure bay]

then it was either very unlucky or unreasonably risky

returning to the lake

in that very ARG we've also followed Hoorn's daughter

She's created her instagram page in order to commemorate 20 years anniversary of her father's death

[covert wyvern]

O ye I was there

[azure bay]

she's visited his hometown & then took a plane to get to Rusty Lake

if we need a specific location for the lake, It's either Canada or Britain or both (& even more)

there are some evidence in GB's favour

there are plenty more in Canada's but 1 against it

however, with some ifs ors & buts everything is possible to ignore

[cerulean crypt]

(Leonard Uniform)

[azure bay]

it works both for GB & Canada y'know

[prisma monolith]

The very British uniform that kinda looks like the American uniform

[cerulean crypt]

I know

Helmet

Helmet is especialy british

[azure bay]

& Canada used British gear in WW1

[prisma monolith]

Hell, there's a territory called "British Columbia" in Canada

[azure bay]

however, the chapel kinda contradicts Canada being the location

[astral frost]

There would be also TWD telephone number, but it looks meaningless if we consider the other proofs

[astral frost]

(it's an Amsterdam number)

[azure bay]

the reason lies outside the lore

[astral frost]

Devs used that number because they live here

[azure bay]

exactly

[prisma monolith]

"write what you know"

[cloud trail]

Hello, everyone, I just found a new clue. Vanderboom means of the tree in Dutch

Dutch van der boom
English of the tree

[cerulean crypt]

This isn't so new, but they can be emmigrants

[cloud trail]

The producer is a Dutch studio, there is a tree in the root, I think this is a correspondence

[azure bay]

are you trying to speak of the lake location or just the surname meanings?

[prisma monolith]

And the entire game (Roots) is an exploration of the Vanderboom family tree

[cloud trail]

Does vanderboom have any special meaning from this surname?

[cerulean crypt]

They are connectet to th tree

[prisma monolith]

Meanwhile, "van der meer" (Dale) means "of the lake"

[covert wyvern]

Vanderboom, from the tree

[cloud trail]

They seemed to have this last name before they moved in, and they moved to the root of an important tree.

[covert wyvern]

The tree is an important symbol

[cerulean crypt]

LADY VANDERMMER

[covert wyvern]

I don't think there's a deeper meaning

[azure bay]

none that I'm aware of except for the one everone currently talks about

[cloud trail]

Is this a coincidence?

[covert wyvern]

No.

[prisma monolith]

And "Eilander" is just a respelling of "islander", which is just a name for someone who lives on an island

[covert wyvern]

Yes it is

Eiland is the Dutch translation for island.

The perks of being a dutch native

[prisma monolith]

Languages (especially European ones) tend to borrow from each other

[azure bay]

or rather have common origins

[floral mauve]

thats a strange name for someone who lives in NYC

[covert wyvern]

Not quite

New york used to be called new Amsterdam ;)

[floral mauve]

if you correlate location and name

[floral mauve]

bruh i didnt know that

[covert wyvern]

Ye there's a lot of Dutch hidden in nyc.

[cerulean crypt]

Vandermeer might be emmigrants

[prisma monolith]

New York used to be called New Amsterdam (lotta Dutch settlers)

[cerulean crypt]

or immigrants IDK

[azure bay]

migrants :з

[floral mauve]

whats the difference between migrants and immigrants

never understand it in my geo class

[prisma monolith]

If Dale is an American, or New Yorker, he probably is a descendant of Dutch settlers

[covert wyvern]

It's likely.

If that's what you're going with

[prisma monolith]

Migrant - temporary
Immigrant - permanently

[cerulean crypt]

i have one minor clue that will point on Rusty lake locacion to USA or Canada

[floral mauve]

I dont think Vanderbooms are polite enough to be canadians

[covert wyvern]

I simply believe RL does not exist in our physical world lmao

[cerulean crypt]

Actualy rusty lake was inspired by Twean Peaks

[floral mauve]

[azure bay]

I've got an impression that migrant are just immigrants-emigrants with no country perspective

[cerulean crypt]

Twean Peaks takes place near USA-Canada border

[covert wyvern]

I think this isn't the place to discuss semantics on the terms migrant and immigrants.

So I suggest we seize that discussion.

[floral mauve]

ok

[covert wyvern]

It's not really relevant anyway. Lmao.

[prisma monolith]

Twin Peaks, Washington state, to be specific

[floral mauve]

I dont think its important where the Lake locates anyway

its a fictional piece

[cerulean crypt]

It is usseles but still

[covert wyvern]

Well ye I live under the idea that the lake is a subspace bubble with many entrances and exits

But it'd admittedly a bit of a boring answer

[floral mauve]

ah I have an anime style idea

[cerulean crypt]

Maybe this is why Dale can't go to lake by himself

[prisma monolith]

The "forest" is a portal connected to any forest in the Northern hemisphere

[floral mauve]

lake in carried by someone like a miniworld

by Mr Owl

[cerulean crypt]

But maybe you need to be Asura or CS or something to go to lake

[floral mauve]

someone touches Mr Owl will get sucked in the Lake

that sounds stupid

[cerulean crypt]

WHat?

[floral mauve]

exactly

I am high

[azure bay]

Then how did Eilanders, Vanderbooms & others wandered to the lake & away from it on their own?

[cerulean crypt]

Ohh i forgot about it

But if people live there, it must have some phisic location

[azure bay]

I guess

[floral mauve]

is the map in paradox reliable

[cerulean crypt]

But James go here after letter from Adoulus

[azure bay]

you mean the globe? Heck no, it just depicts a life path of a character

[cerulean crypt]

Maps in Cave and case 23 are more reliable

[azure bay]

Roots also has this map btw

[cerulean crypt]

But if we got map, and panorame of lake we can calculate how big it is?

[floral mauve]

the globe was huge which is unrealistic for a lake

so where is theatre

I dont think its labelled on the map of the painting

[cerulean crypt]

Near town

[azure bay]

more likely in Dale's hometown

[cerulean crypt]

Bob was in theatre, but the theatre isn't so far away from Hotel

[azure bay]

why so?

[floral mauve]

how do you know

[cerulean crypt]

'cuz Ms.Pheasant and mr.Rabbit need to go there and come back

[floral mauve]

not necessarily

Mr Owl can teleport ppl

and CS doesnt have a walking limit

tbh

[azure bay]

They may not usually be located in the hotel

Owl gathered everyone there for the plan sake

[floral mauve]

CS is invisible for most ppl I believe

[azure bay]

& how are CS relevant here?

[cerulean crypt]

Unles they are cotupted body

like Laura

[floral mauve]

dont think so

[cerulean crypt]

Why?

[floral mauve]

Laura is special

[cerulean crypt]

She is

[azure bay]

that doesn't matter. CS being material or not have abilities in common

[floral mauve]

Laura has a special made body

it is made by a damn tree

[cerulean crypt]

FROM BODIES OF FAMILY

[azure bay]

she's still a human. Samsara states so

[floral mauve]

yes

[cerulean crypt]

AND PRODABLY BORN IN ROSE

[floral mauve]

but the body is abnormal

but still human

[azure bay]

neither she is Frankenstein monster

[floral mauve]

thats why she can be a CS woman

(like iron man)

[azure bay]

nah, unlikely

too far-fetched, no evidence

[floral mauve]

but we have never seen a dead persons CS covered on the dead body and walking with it

[stable wigeon]

wait why is she a CS

[cerulean crypt]

Actualy guests bodies were eaten

[floral mauve]

even kill ppl with is

[cerulean crypt]

Mill

[floral mauve]

exactly

thats why she is special

[stable wigeon]

why cant she be just a human

[azure bay]

absence of evidence is a weak evidence of absence

[floral mauve]

non other CS cover on a dead body

and walking with it

[stable wigeon]

she isnt dead until she is

[cerulean crypt]

MAYBE BECOUSE SHE HAVE DIFRENT BODY

[floral mauve]

she is solid as f

[azure bay]

however, we've seen one in The Lake game

[floral mauve]

that my assumption

[stable wigeon]

ig yeah she does turn into a cs by cave

[floral mauve]

which?

[cerulean crypt]

Also Bob become coruppted

when sitting on chair

[floral mauve]

but he is not dead is he?

[stable wigeon]

cuz he shot himself

[floral mauve]

I am saying a dead body

[stable wigeon]

he literally shot himself

wym lmao

[cerulean crypt]

And you think Dale will arest dead body?

[azure bay]

this kind of shots is possible to survive

[cerulean crypt]

We SE HIM LIVE

[stable wigeon]

possible but thats far fetched

[cerulean crypt]

IN TWD AND CASE 23

[stable wigeon]

i think like nowherecaw pointed to me earlier

he switches from corrupted state

in TWD he swaps back and forth between corrupted and seemingly nor

but like i said i have my suspicions for that whole thing

[floral mauve]

like there are three types of CS,

1. the guests type (William), who died and became CS without a body
2. Dale and Bob, who is alive but can become CS for some time
3. Laura, special CS who is dead but grow a CS layer on her dead body

also Caroline is 1

[stable wigeon]

the thing is bob is a ca

who hasnt fully accepted his fate

[cerulean crypt]

Ad what about drowned?

He is also a corupted body

[stable wigeon]

thats what TWD is about

he is in between 2 parts of the samsara

Also funny u mention dale

being alive

cuz i just played thru paradox

and i remember this scene

from left to right

[floral mauve]

He was alive in theatre and paradox

[stable wigeon]

possibly past present future

[floral mauve]

who can become CS

[stable wigeon]

the thing is with cs

i dont get

[floral mauve]

paradox is splited in different endings basically

[cerulean crypt]

Everyone can

[stable wigeon]

what is definite

[floral mauve]

black cube

[stable wigeon]

we see Bob and Dale see themself as a cs in the mirror

[floral mauve]

normal CS formed by using black cube

[stable wigeon]

but then turn back

[floral mauve]

they are the second type

[stable wigeon]

like they always have had a CS inside them

[floral mauve]

I mentioned before

[stable wigeon]

ok i see

but i dont think

they themselves are CS it seems like a split consciousness thing

[floral mauve]

yes

[stable wigeon]

cuz they swap back and forth

[floral mauve]

Hulk is also concious

if you can imagine

[stable wigeon]

...?

[floral mauve]

have you watched some sort of Marvel films

[stable wigeon]

yes

what does hulk have to do with anything

[floral mauve]

CS form

is like hulk

powerful

fast

[stable wigeon]

i dont agree

well ok

but like i said i think the cs is always inside of them

it just takes a trigger to manifest

kinda like hulk

[floral mauve]

horrible memories

[cerulean crypt]

Actualy i stil don't knwo what is Vincent role in whole games

[stable wigeon]

but

the cs doesnt go away

its still there

[cerulean crypt]

They can

[floral mauve]

delete bad memories

[stable wigeon]

im talking about the hulk thing

[cerulean crypt]

Laura destroys one in CE Lake

[floral mauve]

like Bob did

[stable wigeon]

rn im just talking about seeing themselves in mirror

[floral mauve]

? I am confused

[stable wigeon]

and i am arguing against the hulk analogy

[floral mauve]

delete bad memories

[cerulean crypt]

Laura destroys Corupde soul

[stable wigeon]

delete?

[covert wyvern]

that's one interpretation

[floral mauve]

like Bob in TWD

Sarah ending

[stable wigeon]

i think its more

stolen

his memories are stolen

[floral mauve]

He gained it back

[stable wigeon]

they gave it back

[floral mauve]

yes

thats more like it

[cerulean crypt]

BUT THEY changed memories

[stable wigeon]

its like an object you cant delete an object u know

[cerulean crypt]

And delete Laura

[floral mauve]

yes

delete the abnormal human

[cerulean crypt]

DELETE LAURA

[stable wigeon]

idk about that word lol

[floral mauve]

Bob fall in love with a human made of an unknown texture with a dude's soul in it

[stable wigeon]

what are you referring to by abnormal humab

[floral mauve]

nice one

[floral mauve]

her texture

[stable wigeon]

oh right

[floral mauve]

and her speciality

[stable wigeon]

he fell in love with their soul

[floral mauve]

dont think so

but its reality

Laura is different

that why delete her

just delete her

[stable wigeon]

delete her wym by delete im so confused lol

[floral mauve]

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

[stable wigeon]

delete as in kill

[floral mauve]

delete her in the memory

[cerulean crypt]

DELETE memories about her

[stable wigeon]

like i said idk but

[floral mauve]

have you ever played TWD???

[stable wigeon]

in dont think memories are deleted

yes i have

[floral mauve]

well, delete her

to make Bob healthier

[stable wigeon]

oh i c u mean in the game

[floral mauve]

rather than being obssessed with an unusual woman

woman, cant live with them, cant live without them

[cerulean crypt]

The normal factory forker fall in love with DIFRENT woman

[floral mauve]

that why SARAH

[stable wigeon]

again i think in this game love is more to do with the soul

but thats just my take

[floral mauve]

Bob x William???

ewww

Aldous will be jealous

[stable wigeon]

why eew

also not necesa

the soul isnt william or bob

they are just one of the lives of them

[floral mauve]

I doubt Laura knows William

[stable wigeon]

i agree

[floral mauve]

what r yo utalking about

I am so confused

[stable wigeon]

well im splitting hairs here its not rlly important

but im basically saying the soul is what is living

bob the human is just a medium for his soul

[floral mauve]

all of their soul is Bob Rafferty

[stable wigeon]

so when i say attracted to soul i dont mean laura nor william

lol

[floral mauve]

what are you tryng to say

[stable wigeon]

both

neither

[floral mauve]

this game is not a literature work

[stable wigeon]

not one or the other

no but the rebirth and samsara

are from hinduism and buddhism

and in them

[floral mauve]

I know

[stable wigeon]

aight

[floral mauve]

but soul doesnt matter in this case

we only have CS

[stable wigeon]

this whole argument i started doesnt matter

lol

[floral mauve]

we didnt even see a normal soul in this game

only corrupted soul

[stable wigeon]

no a CS isnt a type of soul

i mean maybe

[floral mauve]

I dont think we can see soul anyway in this game, because once ppl die, they enter the Samsara

[stable wigeon]

its just another form of the soul

arent they always apart of the samsara

[floral mauve]

but corrupted souls are like cancer

[stable wigeon]

im sure they find that offensive

[floral mauve]

they cant enter the normal samsara

[stable wigeon]

im lost

[floral mauve]

like a ghost

[stable wigeon]

normal samsara?

they are ghosts

[floral mauve]

so basically

normal samsara is like life cycle

[stable wigeon]

and CS is apart of the samsara

[floral mauve]

you were born, grow, live, die and born again

but corrupted cant reborn and was trapped in that form

and thats painful

[stable wigeon]

samsara isnt heavenly

[floral mauve]

thats why Mr Rabbit wants to escape that form

[floral mauve]

its a cycle

[stable wigeon]

yes a cycle of pain

[floral mauve]

I dont think so

its a cycle of life

[stable wigeon]

well we dont have evidence to support either claim

[floral mauve]

but CS is definatly in pain

CS has concious

[stable wigeon]

but i say existence is pain because that is what samsara is in Buddhism only when you escape existence do you reach peace

[floral mauve]

well from where I grew up

Samsara means cycle of life

no heaven

[stable wigeon]

i agree

[floral mauve]

only Samsara

which I dont like

I want to die once and eliminate my own soul and existence

[stable wigeon]

but i just dont see why CS isnt apart of the samsara

[floral mauve]

depends the definition

[covert wyvern]

@floral mauve your views on life and death have nothing to do with theories.

[floral mauve]

I know

[stable wigeon]

i mean we arent talking objectively

[cerulean crypt]

Lake is weird

[covert wyvern]

then don't mention 'em.

[floral mauve]

pls dont be that harsh

[covert wyvern]

there's just no value in dropping that personal stuff into a discord server.

[floral mauve]

ok

[covert wyvern]

please stick to the channels topic.

[floral mauve]

Samsara is RL universe is about buddhism

or the dictionary version

idk

[stable wigeon]

anyway

[floral mauve]

but according to the wheel

it is about buddhism

[stable wigeon]

yes the wheel

shows CS is apart of samsara

[floral mauve]

but I dont understand is

[floral mauve]

fish is also a part of Samsara

[stable wigeon]

animal yes

[floral mauve]

but ther is already an animal

I think

[stable wigeon]

i dont follow

oh

[floral mauve]

i dont remeber

[stable wigeon]

u mean the wheel

[floral mauve]

yes

[stable wigeon]

wait what game

[floral mauve]

the theatre samsara wheel

[stable wigeon]

yea that

there is only 1 animal

six stages:

human
asura
dev
CS
animal
hell

[floral mauve]

ohh

I see

YEs

yes

CS is ghost one

let me find it

[stable wigeon]

where in religous context CS is actually called

"hungry ghost"

literal translation

[floral mauve]

yes

preta

[stable wigeon]

yee

i dont remember all the foreign words lol

[floral mauve]

its less painful than hell

but more painful than animal

[stable wigeon]

what is?

[floral mauve]

yes

preta

[stable wigeon]

naraka?

naraka is its own thing

different part of wheel

preta and naraka

[floral mauve]

basically

deva>asura>human>animal>preta>hell

[astral frost]

Hell is naraka

[stable wigeon]

thats the intuitive conclusion

[astral frost]

The second stage is asura

[stable wigeon]

yes we know

[floral mauve]

yes

sorry

[stable wigeon]

i dont think there's an order

[floral mauve]

that

[stable wigeon]

is there

[cerulean crypt]

What can be Dale traumatic memory about fish?

Why he has trauma about fishesh?

[stable wigeon]

off of what do you base this

[floral mauve]

pain

and happyness

[real lantern]

Why are you thinking about the fish RN?

[floral mauve]

and powerful

Mr Owl wants to be deva

[stable wigeon]

that was @cerulean crypt

[cerulean crypt]

Dale has ihtiophobia

[stable wigeon]

oh rightrrt

[cerulean crypt]

WHY?

[stable wigeon]

idk seems metaphorical

[cerulean crypt]

Did he was on traumaic fishing trip?

[floral mauve]

yes

[stable wigeon]

fish often represents the lake

[floral mauve]

maybe he has eaten a raw fish

he hates the smell

[stable wigeon]

that was actually his dad

[cerulean crypt]

ANd hard to swallow bone?

[floral mauve]

you may die by swallowing raw fish bone

[cerulean crypt]

He choke on fish bone?

[floral mauve]

its two different texture

raw and cooked

[stable wigeon]

we arent being serious are we

[cerulean crypt]

I am not so serius, but still why He has trauma about fish?

[stable wigeon]

like i said i believe its metaphorical to represent the lake

[floral mauve]

maybe a flying fish arrived his house while his parents were murdered

by that time he was playing with the fish

[astral frost]

I would have been scared too

[cerulean crypt]

Actualy this happend

[stable wigeon]

lol it did

[floral mauve]

every time he saw a fish he is traumatized

[stable wigeon]

fishing with a mouse trap

[cerulean crypt]

FISHING WITH BEAR TRAP

[stable wigeon]

no i mean in the game it was a mouse trap

it just shows

dale is rlly good at fishing

[floral mauve]

and fish represents Mr Owl

as well

[cerulean crypt]

I know, fishesh looks like normal roach or golden redhorse

but they are weird

[floral mauve]

dont touch fish in rusty lake

fish and parrot

is metaphorical

fish represents Mr Owl

[stable wigeon]

harvey?

[floral mauve]

nah

but then fish flys with shining light on him

[stable wigeon]

p sure most of time parrot is harvey

[floral mauve]

represents Mr Owl's goal

[floral mauve]

yes

but its more about Mr Owl

like the focus

[cerulean crypt]

Actualy i think they are 2 parots

[floral mauve]

not saying its not Harvey

[cerulean crypt]

Harvey in CE Seasons is smaller

[floral mauve]

to become deva

[stable wigeon]

ah i see

[floral mauve]

so basically

[stable wigeon]

interesting

[floral mauve]

flying fish

is deva Jakob

and Dale trapped it

so Dale is the king of the RL universe

[stable wigeon]

wow

[floral mauve]

simple induction

[stable wigeon]

fr good job coming up with an explanation for that dumb fish trap thing lmao

i was so like

why

[floral mauve]

no but apart from fish trap my infuction is right

[stable wigeon]

oh thats not what u r talking about

[floral mauve]

fish does represent Mr Owl's goal

and dream

[stable wigeon]

so its still a mystery

WHY DOES DALE FISH WITH A MOUSE TRAP

[floral mauve]

to kill Deva Jakob

kill a god

is harder than you think

[stable wigeon]

jacob was baited by a fly?

[floral mauve]

only mouse trap can do it

yes

[stable wigeon]

damn he dumber than i thought

lol

[floral mauve]

you see it brings the memory of his mom's cooking

in Case 23, a fish ate the fly

in the tank

[stable wigeon]

ohhhhhh

[floral mauve]

when he becomes the deva

[stable wigeon]

u right

[floral mauve]

he still misses it

[stable wigeon]

well hmm

[floral mauve]

like he miss the taste of the fly

[stable wigeon]

fish deva? i thought fish was just him becoming an animal

[cerulean crypt]

SO Dale kills Rusty lake god?

[floral mauve]

yes

[stable wigeon]

his deva is owl form

[cerulean crypt]

with a mouse trap

[floral mauve]

simple induction

[floral mauve]

thats his asura form

flying fish is deva

in the play fish and parrot

[stable wigeon]

hmm but wait

why then does he say in paradox

[floral mauve]

a normal cant fly fish is animal

[stable wigeon]

he is currently looking for a replacement

and when u show his present form

he is owl

his future is fish

[floral mauve]

because he knew he cant resist the fly on the mouse trap

[stable wigeon]

and it is DALES future that is deva

[floral mauve]

he is not in deva yet

[stable wigeon]

no

[floral mauve]

he needs the help of Harvey

[cerulean crypt]

Future mr.Owl is fish

[floral mauve]

as fish and parrot

[stable wigeon]

ok

[floral mauve]

see it makes sense

Dale kills the god

[stable wigeon]

so u are saying

at the time of paradox

[floral mauve]

Mr Owl is still an owl

[stable wigeon]

neither dale nor owl

are dev

[floral mauve]

yep

[stable wigeon]

and in the future owl becomes dev THEN dale?

[floral mauve]

only future can tell

[stable wigeon]

then

[floral mauve]

maybe Dale killed the dev

[stable wigeon]

who is dev at that period of time

[floral mauve]

no one

[stable wigeon]

fair enough

[floral mauve]

this stupid theory does link

I have big future mind

Mr flying fish killed by human child Dale using a mousetrap

Mr Owl failed his plan

[cerulean crypt]

That sounds so stupid

[floral mauve]

or thats what he wants!!!

get the damn fly

get the damn fly!!!

GET THE DAMN FLY

then he died

flying fish

[cerulean crypt]

Stop being so random

[floral mauve]

its not

its induction

if you see what I wrote

its induction

and makes sense

[astral frost]

Did the fish became a flying fish because of the fly he ate?

[floral mauve]

in the fish tank maybe

[cerulean crypt]

I also have some stupid theory

There is monster in lake

[covert wyvern]

that's not stupid.

[floral mauve]

my stupid theory has so many evidence

[covert wyvern]

that's definitely just true

[cerulean crypt]

and i think that monster is a Loobster Donkey

[covert wyvern]

eh could be.

[floral mauve]

evidence, I think its loobster William

[cerulean crypt]

THERE IS NO LOBSTER WILLIAM

there is just shrimp fat old man

[floral mauve]

bruhh

the insult

flying fish vs lobster William

who will win?

I think fish(mouse) trap can end both of them

[cerulean crypt]

But actualy why there is monster

and what that monster has to do with lore

[floral mauve]

you need to come up with a complete theory

like flying fish theory

[cerulean crypt]

Maybe it is feeded with memories

and if it isn't feedet bad things going to happen

[floral mauve]

thats just the lake

lake itself is a creature

that can breed flying fish

[cerulean crypt]

Lake is a monster living in lake?

[floral mauve]

travel through NYC

[floral mauve]

no I mean the entire lake is a creature