🤔｜theories

[floral mauve]

me is 2 here

your 3?

[azure bay]

Yep

[floral mauve]

British I guess

[azure bay]

Nope :з

[floral mauve]

immigrant?

student

something similar

[azure bay]

I think you are miscalculating the time zone

[floral mauve]

???

how

if your 3

only if its 12 hrs reverse globe

it can only be in the UK

ah shit

I am stupid

sorry

[azure bay]

The Greenwich is 1:02

[floral mauve]

yep

I guess you are somewhere middle Europe

[azure bay]

True

[stable wigeon]

by the way is it for sure that owl is deva

cause theres one mural in the cave that shows an owl and deer in two different parts of the wheel

seeming to imply owl is asura and only dale is the first we see to reach deva right?

btw speaking of which does anyone have any reason why in case 23 the deer corrupted soul was after dale? was this dale from the future or was it the deer from hotel?

seems to be the latter but the repeated deer appearance must have some meaning right

[stable wigeon]

actually i didnt say anything

[floral mauve]

dont think so

deer is the deva

otherwise why Mr Owl in the theatre still put a question mark on deva

[azure bay]

Dale & Jacob have pretty similar ways to become enlightened. However, there are differences. The main one is Dale's much bigger effort to set his state of mind to the right condition. Jacob just didn't have to revisit his memories, face demons, learn lessons & his had no higher creature as a mentor.

[cerulean crypt]

Actualy, i still wonder what connection Van Gogh has to Rusty Lake

Maybe one charater is a Van Gogh Reincarnacion

But actualy list of people that can be Van Gogh reincarnacion isn't long

[azure bay]

O expect van Gogh being a patient of RL:MH&F

The only possible van Gogh's reincarnation I've seen people talking about is Bob

[cerulean crypt]

Actualy i also started wondering about is Bov

But we don't have any kind of proof

[azure bay]

Just parallels

[cerulean crypt]

Other that one aciddent

Both shoot himself

[azure bay]

& both were bearded & red headed (at least before TWD)

[cerulean crypt]

But if we know that Vincent was near lake

that mean

Vincent could know Adoulus

[azure bay]

That depends on the way he might know him

[cerulean crypt]

Both could met

That is possible

We see ferryman in Arles

[azure bay]

Vincent was born 6-7 years before Aldous was enlightened

[cerulean crypt]

But Vincent died in 1890

so after enlighnet of mr crow

he has 30 years to met him

[azure bay]

If he's been to the lake due to his mental conditions he could meet both Owl & Crow but they wouldn't probably try to know each other better

[cerulean crypt]

But they meting is possible

[azure bay]

Everyone's meeting is possibe

If the time span is shared

[cerulean crypt]

If Adoulus realy work sometimes as psychologist

and we know that during his therapy Vincent knows his doctor

and if really Vincent was patient of RL:MH&F

he actualy can know Adoulus better

[azure bay]

I'm afraid, no one know Aldous except for Owl

Everyone who could are dead

[cerulean crypt]

William?

[azure bay]

& his wife

The Mill

& considering "Aldous is grandpa Vanderneer" theory, so does every Vandermeer. Except for Dale who's even unable to recognize him for some reason

[cerulean crypt]

Adoulus is granpa Vandermeer?

[covert wyvern]

according to some people.

I personally don't subscribe to the notion.

but I have no evidence against it either

[azure bay]

They look kinda alike but I'm not a big supporter

[azure bay]

Dale not recognzing "the old crow" as his grandfather kinda is a piece of that ecidence needed

[covert wyvern]

fair enough. good point.

I'm still very much on the "probably just recycled game assets, bc why draw more old people" side.

[grizzled bluff]

It could be an issue related to
Ha
Memories
But yeah, that feels like damning evidence to me too. At least for now

[azure bay]

I like a version of Aldous pretending being Dale's grandpa exclusively for his return to 1939

The event was altered already

Mr. Owl has introduced a machine, a snow globe & god knows what else

[floral mauve]

tbh if it wasnt dutch

vanderboom is very similar to vandermeer

[covert wyvern]

well yes, "from the tree" and "from the lake"

are both similar in name

but have completely different meanings.

[grizzled bluff]

Yep! That's just (a) Dutch last name structure

[covert wyvern]

it sure do be like that.

[floral mauve]

tbh I was confused when I play birthday first

because I play root first

My braindead ass thought Dale was a part of the Vanderboom clan

neither English or Dutch was my first language

[grizzled bluff]

How do we know he's not

[floral mauve]

bruh

[grizzled bluff]

😇

[floral mauve]

wait you are a mod?

[grizzled bluff]

Yep

[floral mauve]

didnt see your name on the list though

[grizzled bluff]

I'm always on invisible

[covert wyvern]

Sammy works in ~mysterious ways.

[floral mauve]

wow

[covert wyvern]

I prefer my idea.

(anyone with a yellow name is a mod)

[floral mauve]

Aldous activated

[grizzled bluff]

I appreciate the hype XD

[covert wyvern]

the role is right there ;p

[floral mauve]

I see but Sammy is not in the special mod list

[pure rose]

Invisible mode is a thing

[floral mauve]

I wonder what he is spying for👀

ok I am scared

I should run

[cerulean crypt]

For people posting memes in general

[floral mauve]

mods are on me

[covert wyvern]

anyway, let's return to the question at hand shall we;

animal people! and grandpas.

[grizzled bluff]

Dale is totally a Vanderboom

I stand by it now XD

[cerulean crypt]

No he is Vandermmer

[floral mauve]

I mean grandpa has a secret recipe of theatre

[grizzled bluff]

I'm arguing against that
I don't have any evidence

[floral mauve]

so he must be a vanderboom

jk

[grizzled bluff]

Yes!
See
I have 1 piece of evidence

[cerulean crypt]

But his name is Van Der Meer

[grizzled bluff]

My mother and I don't share a last name either

We're still related

[floral mauve]

they dont have ID card backthen I believe

[azure bay]

I don't tend to appreciate stories about a big single family where even a complete stranger is secretely someone's twin brother ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wintry scarab]

I support nowherecaw's theory with Dale reliving an altered memory, makes the most sense to me

[covert wyvern]

ye I'm dutch myself so I noticed right away

lmao

[grizzled bluff]

I'm Dutch and it took me literal years to
Uh
Read the name

Whoops

(I did eventually catch on)

[azure bay]

I have a theory on how do RL hire mods for their discord server 🤔

[floral mauve]

dutch power

fishy

[covert wyvern]

ahaha the fact that I am dutch did not come up at all

but I have met the devs in person before 👀

[floral mauve]

[grizzled bluff]

We started our conversation in English before they realized I was Dutch
I tricked them,muwhahaa

[covert wyvern]

Huuuge brain

we're drifting off topic again

[floral mauve]

why grandpa knows what will go on after the blue cube reverse

[grizzled bluff]

I'd love a version of Roots (Shore?) for the vandermeers
I feel like there's much more in that family's history

[floral mauve]

Im ready thing

I feel stupid

[azure bay]

I know some theories on the origin of alchemist brothers

[cerulean crypt]

They (prodably) have a mother

And (prodably ) Father

[azure bay]

I like your "probably"

[cerulean crypt]

Not everyone in RL has both parents

[azure bay]

Laura seems to have 3 of them

[floral mauve]

technically they do

[cerulean crypt]

ekhem Rose

[floral mauve]

10 of them

the entire family

[hollow raptor]

imagine them just poofing into existance

[cerulean crypt]

ekhem Frank

[floral mauve]

Ida and Albert

[floral mauve]

Hybrid Flower and Emma

[hollow raptor]

ok so is franks DNA 50% flower tho

[cerulean crypt]

Rose was created in labolatiry

[azure bay]

A friend of mine tends to think that there was a father that ran away e.g. deflowered Emma

[floral mauve]

I have heard a crazy theory stating that Albert raped Emma because Frank looks like Albert

[hollow raptor]

[floral mauve]

[azure bay]

Relatives: look alike
Theorists: INCEST!

[floral mauve]

big brain moment

[hollow raptor]

so the family tree truly is a circle huh

[azure bay]

But talking seriously, the alchemist brother were either taken to the lake by Owl or have Elizabeth as their mother (it's a complicated yet very cool theory)

[floral mauve]

consequences

[cerulean crypt]

Good it not come to one thing

[floral mauve]

sorry who?

[hollow raptor]

does elizabeth as the mother add up with the years?

[floral mauve]

I dont remmeber

Elizabeth

[cerulean crypt]

Elizabeth Eilander?

[floral mauve]

the granny?

[cerulean crypt]

The old Eilander

[floral mauve]

ok

I never tried to remember the name of Eilanders

because its not necessary I thought

[cerulean crypt]

But still i am glad it don't come to one thing

[azure bay]

Only if we assume that Eilanders were reborn as guests only after their natural deaths

(Yes, there are some official evidence for that)

[cerulean crypt]

Masks?

[floral mauve]

but they dont live on the island

but aside the lake

[azure bay]

The island was taken for the hotel

[cerulean crypt]

Actualy what happent to Vanderboom mansion

in Case 23 we don't see it on map

so it stop exist?

[azure bay]

It might be just further away

[hollow raptor]

maybe laura or rose sold it

[cerulean crypt]

But it will still exist

but there are no evindence of it eistance

[azure bay]

Masks are just a weaker evidence of Eilanders being reborn in the 1st place. I'm talking about them not being reborn right after the ritual

[floral mauve]

did they live in the mansion in the easter egg of samsaras room?

[hollow raptor]

wait i gotta check that

[azure bay]

They were depicted to occupy THE samsara room

[floral mauve]

is that the mansion though

[hollow raptor]

yeah we dont know what house the window belongs to,

[floral mauve]

I guess we dont know it

[azure bay]

It looks a lot like samsara room

[cerulean crypt]

it looks like saesons window

[azure bay]

The room itself

[floral mauve]

would they reveal it in The Past within?

[hollow raptor]

probably left vague on purpose

[azure bay]

Nope. It opens in a different way

[floral mauve]

psss

any mod asks Andreea pls

[hollow raptor]

we dont know much about past within, so ofc its possible

[cerulean crypt]

You Kow that Harvey...

Make some drinks?

[floral mauve]

I mean this is between Albert and Rose right?

[hollow raptor]

very likely, yes

[floral mauve]

I still dont get how the crazy fuck raise a child

he drunk alcohol when he was a baby

[hollow raptor]

life goals

[cerulean crypt]

Mr Crow

Mr Crow interact with Albert

[floral mauve]

I dont think Mr Crow knows Laura was William at first glance

otherwise he would be pissed in The Mill

[azure bay]

In the TPW teasers we've seen a cabinet of the same style as the one in SR & the same mirror. What's more, we've seen the same lantern & wallpaper in Roots

[azure bay]

That CS' identity is yet to be confirmed

[cerulean crypt]

It has a crow siluette

[azure bay]

It has a bird* silhuette

[cerulean crypt]

Really similar to crow

[azure bay]

Not similar enough to make any conclusion

It's easy to connect then

I know

But objectively we have nothing

[floral mauve]

do you guys mean the CS passes the mask of skull to Albert?

[cerulean crypt]

Yes

and give him code to schmetterling the butterfly

[azure bay]

Any idea on why does the moon work like a mirror?

[cerulean crypt]

Just an imaginacion

[floral mauve]

lake power

[cerulean crypt]

Actualy who is lady of the lake

We see her only in Case 23

Actualy Dale last name mean "of the lake"

[covert wyvern]

"from the lake" *

[cerulean crypt]

My bad

[royal notch]

Someone think that Is a reincarnation of Ms Pheasant, but i don't agree, because her corrupted soul his still in the Lake.

[cerulean crypt]

Actualy after dead he wears something simmilar to Rose dress

Maybe Rose is Lady of the lake?

[stable wigeon]

or maybe she was in/under the lake but we see her escape CS state when we balance her substance

also in that moment, presuming the original memory of dale seeing owl and crow at theatre didnt happen, then also she probably wasnt in the original memory either; rather just in the cube that was in the lake like how the former three got there

although tbh i dont quite understand what differs between the memories that are in the lake and the ones that are in naraka. is there some sort of boundary? or is "in the lake" the same as "in the forest" in this sense?

cuz u r right the last time chronologically we saw pheasant before theatre was in naraka, (bottom of the lake,) in CE cave

but dale is near there when he begins to leave so maybe im thinking there isnt a boundary like i initially thought; just the lake itself is the entrance to the forest(?)

[cerulean crypt]

ROSE IS LADY OF THE LAKE

[stable wigeon]

that could make sense

but then

the pheasant referance doesnt

unless rose is pheasant is eilander girl

[cerulean crypt]

Lady of the lake after her dead

wears drees similar to Rose's dress

[floral mauve]

bbut Isnt Rose dress from Emma?

wtf

[stable wigeon]

what does eilander have to do with her

emma? i dont remember all these ppl

which one is emma

[cerulean crypt]

Emma is a hang man

[floral mauve]

the flower fucker

[stable wigeon]

oh

xd

[cerulean crypt]

This was ... unexpected

[stable wigeon]

lmaoooooo

[floral mauve]

[stable wigeon]

both of your statements are correct

[cerulean crypt]

But actualy 2 of Vanderbooms has 1 parent

and Laura

[stable wigeon]

u arent including rose r u

rose has 2 biological parents

[floral mauve]

technically not Rose

[cerulean crypt]

She was created in Lab

[stable wigeon]

with Ida's

um

stuff

[cerulean crypt]

SHE GROW IN JAR

[stable wigeon]

have u never heard of sperm banks

they have dads

[cerulean crypt]

No

[stable wigeon]

what rlly xd

what he did like actually happens although i dont think it is considered ethical to do that to humans

[cerulean crypt]

But still good, i don't come to one thing

Actualy why Mr.Owl need Harvey

For his eggs?

[stable wigeon]

hmm hmm

i dont think he is that special

as i said before

[cerulean crypt]

But his eggs are nedet to create elixir

Not only

[stable wigeon]

true

but\

it doesnt have to be his eggs

[cerulean crypt]

And Both Crow and Owl reqires elixir

[stable wigeon]

or her

also remember

[cerulean crypt]

AND IT COMES TO THIS AGAIN

[stable wigeon]

harvey wasnt a bird before

he wasnt a she

until after he was a he

[covert wyvern]

I really don't get how it's so hard for y'all to just use they/them pronouns for harvey

[stable wigeon]

my grammar teacher engraved into me

[cerulean crypt]

I don't know how to use them

[stable wigeon]

that saying them is incorrect

[cerulean crypt]

i never need to use them

[covert wyvern]

@stable wigeon your grammar teacher is a bad person

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[stable wigeon]

that seems

a bit judgemental

just talking technicality them technically means

2 people

[covert wyvern]

no,

[stable wigeon]

gramatically

[covert wyvern]

no it really doesn't.

[stable wigeon]

i mean

ok

i understand it can and has changed

[covert wyvern]

https://public.oed.com/blog/a-brief-history-of-singular-they/ here's some light reading 😉

[stable wigeon]

huh

thanks actually

[cerulean crypt]

Can we go back to theory

[stable wigeon]

ye lol

[covert wyvern]

yes. yes we can.

[cerulean crypt]

I think Owl keep Harvey arount for them eggs

[covert wyvern]

I'm unsure, to be honest.

[cerulean crypt]

eggs are needet to create elixir

[covert wyvern]

I think there's more to it than just eggs.

[cerulean crypt]

Not only but still

[covert wyvern]

but I have no evidence to back that claim up lmao

[stable wigeon]

i mean again theres nothing proving

[cerulean crypt]

Without one ingridient whole reciepie don't workk

[covert wyvern]

isn't Harvey also "messenger of the Lake"

[stable wigeon]

that that egg is harvey's

[covert wyvern]

it feels like an important position.

[cerulean crypt]

He is

[stable wigeon]

they

they is?

[cerulean crypt]

he may be also "a field agent" of Mr.Owl

[floral mauve]

dont think so

[covert wyvern]

they are, but close 😉

[floral mauve]

how Caroline create Elixir?

I dont think Harvey existed backthen

[stable wigeon]

they did but

werent a she

[floral mauve]

????

[stable wigeon]

aka couldnt make eggs

[floral mauve]

I am super confused

[stable wigeon]

harvey was a seemingly male asura

[cerulean crypt]

Harvey seems more important that just eggs and agent

They has some role

[stable wigeon]

wasnt a female bird until after the souls escaped

presumably

also even if he was a she

[cerulean crypt]

CAN WE LEAVE GENDER TOPIC

[stable wigeon]

imagine

imagine a anthropomorphic (idk how to spell) animal humanoid laying an egg

your welcome

[cerulean crypt]

NO< PLEASE NO

[stable wigeon]

lol

anyway i see what ur coming from

and for a while i believed harvey was the key to everything

[cerulean crypt]

Meybe is

[stable wigeon]

could be but

now I understand more about

[cerulean crypt]

Most characters has a role

rest are just to kill

[stable wigeon]

2 heroes what

[cerulean crypt]

and two of them are here jut for reasons

[stable wigeon]

thats not how western literature works

but joking aside

idk im not opposed to that but just doesnt seem like a whole lot of evidence

like i said

not even evidence that harvey themself has the special eggs

other than seasons but i think the only importance of the egg in seasons was its connection to williams bad memory of dying to an egg but not necessarily

an egg from harvey

especially cause harvey wasnt a bird then

[cerulean crypt]

But we see mr.Crow changing form

why harvey couldynt?

[stable wigeon]

do we

idk it seems contradictory to

The Circle of Life

[floral mauve]

the thing about Harveys Egg

[stable wigeon]

animal and asura are seemlingly different stages

[floral mauve]

its not an ingredient of Elixir

I think the one in root

is just a minigame

[stable wigeon]

nah hold up

[floral mauve]

for player to try out some weird ass combination

[stable wigeon]

you cant disregard shit like that

[floral mauve]

why

[stable wigeon]

theres no reason to

you are basing your theory off of a hunch

[cerulean crypt]

Actualy you can make Vodka , so you got point

[stable wigeon]

that was seasonal lol

[floral mauve]

I made dynamite

and I cant light it with a fire

[stable wigeon]

also

[cerulean crypt]

You can?

[floral mauve]

I had a chance to kill Aldous

[stable wigeon]

dont forget

[floral mauve]

literally one step away

[cerulean crypt]

I need to try it

[real lantern]

Its more to put the "alchemist" on the alchemist brothers

[stable wigeon]

there is an egg in the vanderblooms family crest

so it is seemingly distinct from the other ingredients

[floral mauve]

proabbly

[cerulean crypt]

It may be a key ingriedient

[floral mauve]

but its weird since usually you cant make an egg

[cerulean crypt]

you can

[stable wigeon]

you cant make life

oh jk

[cerulean crypt]

You can make plants

[floral mauve]

you mean alchemist just fuse some air water like Black JEsus??

to create an egg

[stable wigeon]

well plant life isnt in the samsara so i think we can say in this universe

[floral mauve]

I think its more of a minigame

[stable wigeon]

it isnt the same life as sentient life

[real lantern]

Well then, if the egg is the elixir laura is immortal, because in seasons she eats one of harveys eggs,

[floral mauve]

rather than treat it as a serious process of making Elixir

[cerulean crypt]

It is just minigame

[stable wigeon]

remember my comment on the importance of the egg in seasons

[cerulean crypt]

but it can give us a clue about elixir

[stable wigeon]

which is why i dont think the egg in the elixer minigame is unimportant

[cerulean crypt]

We know that egg is one ingridient

Not only but one of them

[stable wigeon]

yea idk harvey could the key

[floral mauve]

I think its just the devs want us to see Harvey‘s appearance more

you know they really like Harvey for some reason

[stable wigeon]

but doesnt make sense why there would be their egg in the elixir

[floral mauve]

like a symbol

[stable wigeon]

before harvey was a bird

[cerulean crypt]

Egg is a symbol of life

and rebirth

[stable wigeon]

anyway i should go to bed lol

cya

[floral mauve]

give your reaons

[real lantern]

Its just to show us how the ALCHEMIST brothers used ALCHEMY to find the elixir

[floral mauve]

yep

[cerulean crypt]

What?

[floral mauve]

However, I think Caroline may have a role in it

[floral mauve]

how egg is a symbol of life in this universe

they have bugs in it

corrupted

[cerulean crypt]

It is in our universe

[floral mauve]

bruh

[cerulean crypt]

In christianty egg is symbol of life

and that game takes from many cutures

[floral mauve]

this game takes more on Buddism

[cerulean crypt]

But we see it takes from cristianyty

And egg is a symbol of life

[floral mauve]

but thats off topic tbh

[floral mauve]

I just realised one thing about Harvey

that is different

Mr Owl and Crow never become the animal completely

whereas Harvey always does

[cerulean crypt]

Maybe after dead

We see Harvey Die

And revived by Mr. Owl

[floral mauve]

I dont think thats related though

because it never shows a complete human form

I think maybe its just a green parrot drunk the elixir

that can become half human hlaf animal

or animal

whereas a human drink elixir

can become half animal half human

and human

[cerulean crypt]

Becouse mr.Owl keep his elixir inn that way that parrot can drink it

[floral mauve]

?

could you explain

[cerulean crypt]

How it is posibble that parot drink elixir?

It is accident or purpose action

[floral mauve]

both can be

However, we never see the dog become dog man

[cerulean crypt]

Becouse it is dog?

[floral mauve]

maybe

[cerulean crypt]

it aren't concius enought to reach enlighnet

[floral mauve]

maybe parrot is smarter?

[cerulean crypt]

We don't see Harvey Orgins

we only can guess it was a parot or a human

[ebon aspen]

Its very likely harvey was a human, its even theorized that he was helping mr owl during twd

[floral mauve]

but how it can become a complete parrot

Mr Crow never become a small Crow

[cerulean crypt]

Why no?

[covert wyvern]

we see harvey getting attacked,

[cerulean crypt]

We see crows in game

[covert wyvern]

it's likely they were transformed to save their life.

[floral mauve]

but is it Mr Crow?

[ebon aspen]

After the hotel events, mr owl somehow turns him into a """normal""" parrot

[covert wyvern]

why or how it works? No idea.

[floral mauve]

I know

what I mean is why cant Mr Crow cant become a crow

[cerulean crypt]

Maybe enlighnet can move bettwen 3 forms

[floral mauve]

and Mr Owl

[cerulean crypt]

We don't now if the can't

[covert wyvern]

we don't know that .

we dont have enough information, yes.

[cerulean crypt]

we don't see they doing that

[covert wyvern]

maybe if they somehow die

theyll also transform into animals

[floral mauve]

emmmm

[covert wyvern]

we just dont know

[floral mauve]

devolution

[covert wyvern]

reincarnation.

[floral mauve]

well

However, they might become corrupted rather than in animal

[covert wyvern]

also on the table

[cerulean crypt]

They can

[floral mauve]

otherwise the guests will just become the animals

[cerulean crypt]

but Mr.Owl do some Maagiic on Harvey body

[floral mauve]

[covert wyvern]

basically though.

[ebon aspen]

Considering aldous could flow between his human and antropozoo forms, it wouldnt be a surprise if he could turn into a real crow

[cerulean crypt]

We see crows in game

[ebon aspen]

Oh, and mr owl could too in twd and paradox

[cerulean crypt]

and Dale in green vial must kill the crow

[floral mauve]

emmmmm?

[cerulean crypt]

And we must hit crow

[floral mauve]

I am lost

what are you talking about

[cerulean crypt]

I am also lost

[floral mauve]

green vial?

[cerulean crypt]

Green vial ending of paradox

[floral mauve]

emmmmm?

did I miss the secret ending

[ebon aspen]

Its from chapter 2 i think

[floral mauve]

its that red vial?

[cerulean crypt]

Gren vial is chapter 1 ending

[floral mauve]

isnt that blue vial?

wth

I am so lost

[ebon aspen]

Bleh i dont remember a shit XD

[floral mauve]

did you play the rusy lake

[ebon aspen]

But anyway, in one of the 3 endings we have this thing we are talking about

[floral mauve]

not rusty lake

[floral mauve]

show me pls

I didnt play the secret ending

of paradox

[cerulean crypt]

Green vial ending

using secred code dale opens drawer with green vial

[ebon aspen]

On the wikia you can see everything from the lore, i would need to reinstall the games here and well, im a little bit without spare time to play again, specially paradox

[cerulean crypt]

But this is more for #cube-escape-series-help

[floral mauve]

???

[ebon aspen]

Or just search for a video walkthru

[floral mauve]

how the hell there is a code drawer

[ebon aspen]

or play

[floral mauve]

its made of blocks

you mean the safe?

[ebon aspen]

Prolly yeah

The code is in the short film

[floral mauve]

paradox has so many endings

I am so confused

[ebon aspen]

Actually just 3 XD

[floral mauve]

thats already a lot for me

because its a long playthrough

[ebon aspen]

But yeah, its a lot of things, specially from chapter 2

If tpw has this many things too i give up on theorizing XD

[floral mauve]

I shall play the secret ending later next month

[floral mauve]

but are you sure here the crow is Mr crow not metaphor thing

for example in Paradise there are owls but we know its not Mr Owl

[cerulean crypt]

That crow is methaphore to mr Crow

[floral mauve]

but are you sure its Mr Crow himself

like 100% Mr Crow

or at least 90%

[cerulean crypt]

I have no proof for that

[floral mauve]

so no

Mr Crow never appear as an animal

flying

and talking about pasta and his espresso

[covert wyvern]

not that we know of.

[stable wigeon]

how did the cs of the hotel end up in hell

that is, before dale got there

to the white cube

thing

[stable wigeon]

also i think i figured something out

when mr rabbit wanted to "escape this state" i think he wanted to do so not by shooting dales family but by getting shot

otherwise why would he have been absorbed into the tree? doesnt this imply he escaped hell and moved on to the next stage

[azure bay]

The substance of past life in Rabbit's case is more likely to be similar to Pheasant's one. E.g. it's presented with items

In Birthday Rabbit was there for the pistol

Talking about CS, the forest is apparently not literal hell. Everyone is almost free to enter & leave it. The guests stayed there because they died nearby & they have nowhere to go after breaching containment

[cerulean crypt]

So all it stated from RL Paradise

[small sigil]

yep

[cerulean crypt]

Adter that it was Adoulus enlighment

Long ago

[small sigil]

ye jacob die anyway

[cerulean crypt]

Jacob is now Mr.Owl

[small sigil]

then adoulus become laura

[small sigil]

ye

[cerulean crypt]

William become Laura

[floral mauve]

?

[small sigil]

i mean lol

i cant remember those names

[cerulean crypt]

but in meanwhile it was RL Hote;l

[floral mauve]

[cerulean crypt]

RL hotel takes place when Emma dies

[small sigil]

oh idk this one

[cerulean crypt]

Paper in "game of lies

stage

[floral mauve]

I think thats why Mr Crow didnt follow up with the rebirth William plan

he has to collaborate with Mr Owl by that time

[cerulean crypt]

Also in meanwhile CE arles takes place

[small sigil]

@.@

[cerulean crypt]

Van Gogh dies in 1890

Arles takes place before his dead

[small sigil]

in the hotel, those five animals r actually eilanders

[floral mauve]

it is not confirmed that Van Gogh is strongly correlated with the universe yet

[small sigil]

and they dont know mr.owl is jacob

[cerulean crypt]

We don't know that

[floral mauve]

two theories

rebirth

[cerulean crypt]

Some people thinks Bob is Van Gogh

[floral mauve]

how

[small sigil]

it make sense too

[floral mauve]

just because he shot hinself?

[cerulean crypt]

Who else can be?

[floral mauve]

????

thats a false reasoning

[cerulean crypt]

Who else can be Vincent reincarnacion?

[small sigil]

then why rusty lake make arles

[floral mauve]

He may not even correlate with the serie in the first place

[small sigil]

must be a connection with one of the characters

[cerulean crypt]

Actualy there is 4 painting in other games

Chapel, in Vandermeers house, Laura room, Paradox room

[floral mauve]

I think it is also possiblethat the devs love Van Gogh since they are from Netherland

[cerulean crypt]

That is prodably true

[small sigil]

lmao

[cerulean crypt]

But he still posibl has a role in RL unierse

[floral mauve]

perhaps

[small sigil]

ok guys guys lets go back to the timeline

xD

[cerulean crypt]

Like most other charaters

[small sigil]

so those corrupted souls escaped the hotel

and go into the lake?

[cerulean crypt]

Ok , so after roots there is a Gap

[floral mauve]

Maybe the devs are just trying to make a game regarding to Vincent to pay respect

[cerulean crypt]

And this is when Seasons takes place

[floral mauve]

we dont know yet

[small sigil]

seasons...

[cerulean crypt]

In the same time as seasons , lake and Harvey box takes place

[floral mauve]

the first three seasons might be

but not winter

[mossy imp]

When did Van Gogh live?

[cerulean crypt]

Yes winter is last known event in RL

[small sigil]

wait harvey box was in 1969

how about the birthday

[cerulean crypt]

After Fall, there is time for Dale investigacion and his time in Paradox

Birthday takes place in 1939

i missed it

[small sigil]

ye

ok

xD

wait case 23 then paradox

[floral mauve]

also mill

[mossy imp]

Van Gogh was 1853-1890 according to the internet

[cerulean crypt]

it will be easier to represent on grafics

[small sigil]

1853? even before the roots

[cerulean crypt]

He born that year

[mossy imp]

Yep, that's a long time agoo

[floral mauve]

but after aldous enlightment I think

[cerulean crypt]

Arles takes place pefore his dead

Adolus enligt in 1860

[small sigil]

aldous is mr.crow right

[floral mauve]

doesnt matter

[cerulean crypt]

Can we make it on graphic?

[floral mauve]

there are many on the internet

[mossy imp]

Bedroom in arles was painted in 1888

[small sigil]

this map confuses me

like

[floral mauve]

this theory claims that paradox and winter happens in the cave machine

there are two version of birthday and two version of seasons

one is change the past

[small sigil]

dale drinks red vial --> go to blue vial room
dale drinks blue vial --> go to red vial room
dale drinks green vial --> he die and laura's cube become white
IT CONFUSES ME

[floral mauve]

one ia the past

[floral mauve]

guess that means paradox

[small sigil]

u mean that blue cube?

[floral mauve]

yea

no

[small sigil]

interesting

[floral mauve]

the machine in the white cube

connect their heads

[small sigil]

wait but i dont think paradox and winter r good memories

[floral mauve]

no shit

[small sigil]

hm

mr.crow triggered

[floral mauve]

** you know what to do**

[small sigil]

i dont know

[floral mauve]

[mossy imp]

I've just found something strange about Arles... However the bedroom was painted in 1888, outside the windows, we can see the style Van Gogh used in Starry Night, that was painted in 1889. I wonder if it maters.

[small sigil]

everytime he said this, i google the solution

LMAO

[floral mauve]

usually correlate with murdering

[small sigil]

and torturing leonard

[floral mauve]

I think its a piece regarding to Vincent

just to pay respect

might have a special use in the future though

we dont know yet

[small sigil]

wait

green vial is elixir

[cerulean crypt]

Devs already use Van Gogh paintings in 3 games

[small sigil]

dale and laura become a pair

so dale died

[cerulean crypt]

Dale never see Laura before investigacion

[small sigil]

but they can become a pair even though they hadnt met each other

[cerulean crypt]

[small sigil]

what

ok i need to throw all my old and wrong investigation away

let me do this all over again

lol

[cerulean crypt]

How they can be pair if they never meet eachother?

[covert wyvern]

also, mythic

I think this is your first time here

please remember that nothing you say is wrong.

it's just that there isn't a right answer.

[small sigil]

interesting :O

[small sigil]

and yes im a newbie in rusty lake xD

[covert wyvern]

it's called #🤔｜theories for a reason and note "factual game lore"

[small sigil]

although ive played it since 2015 but i started to figure all these timelines few months ago xD

[covert wyvern]

ye that's completely fair!

[small sigil]

[astral frost]

This should be pinned up for everyone

[stable wigeon]

but isnt it part of the samsara

how can you come and go i thought it was one of the realms or whatever

[astral frost]

Naraka is the most misterious stage right now

Everything makes us link it to the forest under the Lake

But, for example

When you become a "Naraka inhabitant", which is your shape?

Are you a tree?

It would be a possibilty, since we've already seen a Humanoid turning into a plant: Mr Rabbit in Birthday

Even if that scene couldn't be so "literal"

[azure bay]

not turning into but giving it life powers*

[astral frost]

Right

To me, it looked also like Mr Rabbit merged with the tree's roots

But we have no clues about its linking with Naraka realm

[azure bay]

We need to know who are naraka dwellers onriginaly

[astral frost]

Yep

[azure bay]

I suspect they are souls

[astral frost]

Something like "souls which can't even reach a material shape"

[azure bay]

it's one of preta definitions

[astral frost]

Right BUT Rusty Lake CS are material as well

Some of them aren't even reincarnations

Since you can become a CS while you are alive

[azure bay]

there are some souls without body

[royal notch]

I think some of them are material, other not.

[azure bay]

& I don't clearly see how they differ

Either way

[royal notch]

Like William's one in Roots, It isn't.

Otherwise the Vanderbooms would see him.

But some other can be seen.

[azure bay]

if pretas are mostly similar to naraka dwellers I don't see any problem in CS being called like that. The only problem I do see is that the guests are the only dwellers we mostly encounter

[astral frost]

I would like to ask you a question about the forest

[azure bay]

plus, they don't suffer more than usual

& they seem not to be tied to their current location

[azure bay]

ok, np

[astral frost]

Ok so

Tha forest is located under the Lake

Dale reach it at the end of Case 23, then he passes through it and he arrives to the White Room

Then he takes the elevator

So

Wherever Paradox takes place, why does Dale walk trough the forest and he ends up to the surface?

Is it just because of the nature of Paradox?

[royal notch]

Paradox Is only in Dale's mind.

[astral frost]

Okok

So I would like to add a little point

[azure bay]

the forest in Paradox has little to no in common with The Forest, as far as I can see

it seems to be rather a real forest that we see on the background image

with all the constructions encountered

[vague imp]

i am trying to peice the lore of game can some one just tell me if the short movie is canon to game (though i know its the same story but there are some changes)

[astral frost]

Yes

[azure bay]

but there might be a possibility that the real Forest also acts like that & teleports everyone to the shore if some kind of a border is reached

[astral frost]

Right

[azure bay]

honestly, I see the movie as something even more canon that the games

[vague imp]

god

[azure bay]

the narration is just more relieable

[vague imp]

first you play these games your brain leves your head

[astral frost]

I would explain the presence of the "forest section" in Paradox in another way too

Another possibility I mean

[vague imp]

also since i am indian i was suprised to see hindi text in a video game

[royal notch]

Go on, we're interested!

[stable wigeon]

by the way

i am really starting to think balancing past lives

is to escape the forest

idk but something i found interesting

the clock goes to to naraka

obviously mirror goes to deva

[astral frost]

What if Paradox takes place in that time span between Case 23 and The Cave? What Dale would live there is the difficult traversation of the Lake bottom in order to reach the right place

[vague imp]

pret means soul

i guess yall know the translation already

[stable wigeon]

oh wait

[astral frost]

Obviously with many surreal aspects since it's all in his mind

[stable wigeon]

i thought the one on right was naraka

[azure bay]

these are "preta", "past", "present", "future". Am I right, @vague imp ?

[vague imp]

where do you see hell written

[stable wigeon]

oh shit

jklul

i thought the one on the right was naraka

sorry im not familiar with sanskirt i was just comparing it to the sanskirt on theatre

[vague imp]

one thing you are missing Atit in hindi means 2 thing , present and existense while pret means soul

also its called pret not preta

[azure bay]

I'll remember that

[vague imp]

nothing new i have seen non indians addind "a" in the end of any hindi word

[astral frost]

That's wiki's fault ahahahha

[vague imp]

nah thats how britishers did our vocubalry

its a long story but not talk about it

[azure bay]

would you please give a proper English pronunciation for every other term?

[vague imp]

ok

[stable wigeon]

this makes sense i was wondering why i saw both the dev and deva

damn westerners

[vague imp]

(in clockwise order)
Ateet
Vartman (hard N with a wierd vowel behind)
Pret
Bhavishya

[vague imp]

its dev

like my name is Arjun and in many western articles i see it writen as Arjuna

[azure bay]

so it's right to call Mr. Crow asur, isn't it?

[vague imp]

Ok to pronounce Vartman properly
Were-ta-ma-arhn (really soft rh)

[vague imp]

I think every animal mask figure will be an asur or that is how much my mind can figure out

[azure bay]

some believe Owl to be dev

[vague imp]

i last played these game in 2019 and i am just starting again on steam

[azure bay]

Dale is almost certain to became a dev

[vague imp]

btw dev does not mean god

if anyone has that doubt

Dev are treated like gods but they are actually the supreme worshipers of god who live in heaven and and do any task god asigns them

they also have vardaan (blessing) basically super powers provided by god

[azure bay]

even from point of view of Buddhism?

[vague imp]

Asur are not bad people Asur are die hard devotees of god but the thing is they love only one god and totally hate other

in hindu mythology there are several gods

[stable wigeon]

so wait are we taking these to be in hinduism sense or buddhism sense

[azure bay]

we don't know

that's the problem

[stable wigeon]

ah

[azure bay]

so it's better to know both

[stable wigeon]

tru

[vague imp]

i am talking in hinduism

and budhism is about teaching of mortal soul not eternatily of segrats

[stable wigeon]

could it also be in a jainist sense?

[vague imp]

the mentions outer soul world in budhism is ctrl ctrl v of hindu

[vague imp]

Are you forgetting then the all evolved from hindu

[stable wigeon]

no ik but

[vague imp]

like dont feel offended anyone but hindu gods were first to appear on earth and teach humans

90% of scriptures are ideas of todays marvels

[stable wigeon]

if it could be hindu or buddhism if could be jainism as wel

right

[vague imp]

Jainism is a branch of hinduism

the more you know

[stable wigeon]

oh

is sikhism considered a branch as well

[vague imp]

Sikhism is nothing mythological or religios

[stable wigeon]

oh rlly

[vague imp]

Sikhism was made to protect hindus from muslims

[stable wigeon]

isnt it a bad word now tho lol

[vague imp]

because in 1600s muslims were killing hindus in masses so a small group formed sikhism and pledged to use force only to protect innocent hindus

[stable wigeon]

oh that's where it came from

but didn't it turn extremist

[vague imp]

and also they only killed muslims when they fought, if some how muslim got deeply injured in a battle sikhs would give them medical care

[covert wyvern]

this is a beautiful history lesson, but I feel it is no longer about Theories.

[stable wigeon]

sorry offtopic

[vague imp]

yeah same XD

[azure bay]

So... We can now replay rooms of dead guests...
TIME TRAVEL CONFIRMED!!!!1!!!!11

[ebon aspen]

Lol XD

Mr owl is so excited to get his family requiem'ed forever

[vague imp]

Wasn't time travel a thing in cube escape birthday and seasons

[ebon aspen]

More like memory travelling

[vague imp]

Almost the same thing

[azure bay]

For many they are not

They prefer to believe that characrers create comfortable delusions rather than affecting the reality

[floral mauve]

now you are no longer saying some timeline bullshit

which is great

[covert wyvern]

timeline bullshit is definitely the best theory out there though

[floral mauve]

but too much interpretation

[azure bay]

thx for your support

[covert wyvern]

I personally live under the "multiple timelines" assumption, I don't care how much interpretation / how wrong it is. lmao

[azure bay]

I did not say "I prefer to believe" I just think it's fair to present arguments of my opponents

[floral mauve]

god dammit😂

nvm

[astral frost]

What's more, no theory here is bullshit

Since no one knows the truth everyone is trying his best to put the pieces together

And that theory was also supported by proofs

[covert wyvern]

this is also true^

please do stay respectful.

thanks Edd.

[floral mauve]

Therefore, I would apologized for what I've said

[azure bay]

no offence taken

[floral mauve]

something cool that I have never thought of before

from Fandom

about Ms pheasant

I didnt associate 4 ppl altogether

[azure bay]

I've heard something similar. Too far-fetched to my liking. Samsara disproves most of assumptions required for this to work

[floral mauve]

Emma, Caroline, Elizabeth and Pheasant

reincarnation x4

bruh

but I highly doubt this would work

since time doesnt match

[astral frost]

The actress in the Theatre and Ms Pheasant seems to be at least related

But I wouldn't say the same with Caroline or Emma

[cerulean crypt]

They prodably are

[azure bay]

they probably not :з

With knowledge given we have no way to connect Emma to the songstress

The Lady of The Lake could be either a stage name or an opera title

both don't really connect her directly to Caroline

[astral frost]

What do you think is worshipped in the Chapel?

Since there are both religious paintings and Lake stuff

And Caroline's portrait too

[azure bay]

hard to tell for sure

it's christian chapel

but all the biblical stories depicted there are adapted to cubes

[prisma monolith]

because of the Christian Cross on top of it

[astral frost]

Also because of the paintings

As @azure bay said

[prisma monolith]

If you think about it, all paintings from that era of art ties to religion

[azure bay]

nah, there were also secular paintings

[prisma monolith]

Because the Bible was pretty much common knowledge over other legends and tales that were strictly delivered orally

Literature wasn't much of a thing until literacy rates went up and printing presses were made

[azure bay]

we're talking mostly about paintings. There were also just portraits, stories of Greek mythology

only the biblical ones seem to be appropriate in a chapel

[stable wigeon]

multiple timeline theory?

as in the story takes place simultaneously across several timelines?

never considered

[covert wyvern]

The storys timeline branches off depending on the outcome of a certain event or game

IE: laura saves herself, doesn't die, dale never investigates her death, none of the other games happen

[stable wigeon]

yea ik

[ebon aspen]

paradox made us consider this, but i tend to think that it would be only a easy way out for all the messy plot stuff

[stable wigeon]

im with that

but you mean that

[covert wyvern]

I'd love to share a branch sometime but I'm a lazy man

[stable wigeon]

changing events doesnt rewrite the timeline it just makes a new one?

i assumed it rewrote it

by making a new one

[covert wyvern]

I personally like the idea of branches, but that's me

[stable wigeon]

idk

seems kind of hard to make theories then

if several timelines are happening simultaneously

[covert wyvern]

Yes!

[stable wigeon]

but you really think theres gonna be an additional mechanism of time travel

outside of cubes

[vague imp]

My brain is smooth

[stable wigeon]

btw in samsara room is each animal supposed to represent each of spokes of the wheel

like metaphorical?

cuz trying to match them up i have no idea what the lizard has to do with any of it

[astral frost]

I don't think so

It's more like "William is fastly changing shape until the definitive one"

Like if he was in a flow of possible forms

[cerulean crypt]

Actualy, who is Mr.Deer? Chemist , Engeneer?

[stable wigeon]

....?

i guess thats the only way samsara room makes sense

that was @ edd

[stable wigeon]

i don't understand your question

[cerulean crypt]

He has a plans of Hotel

[prisma monolith]

I think they're asking what occupation Mr. Deer may have

[stable wigeon]

oh right

[cerulean crypt]

so he can be an building engienner

[stable wigeon]

completely forgot

[cerulean crypt]

but he also has destilacion? aparature

[stable wigeon]

yeah i have no idea what those professions have to do with anything

odd details

[cerulean crypt]

There is same chance that Harvey is internacional criminal

if Mr.Boar is an Ambasador

[stable wigeon]

i thought they were just asura

that does confuse me

were these their past lives

or are the asura living amongst humans in the RL universe?

i assumed that the "outside world" of the RL universe was like ours but there is little basis for the assumption

or do they have their own realm

that seems far fetched lol

different dimensions doesnt seem at all relevant in RL so this is interesting how their existence is "normal"

[cerulean crypt]

But their rooms teel us who they are

Mr.Rabbit is magician, Mss Pheasant is actress

Ms.Pigeon is an electrician

Mr.Boar is Ambassador!

And who is mr.deer?

[azure bay]

http://blog.rustylake.com/introducing-a-new-character-every-week/ http://blog.rustylake.com/introducing-ms-pheasant/ http://blog.rustylake.com/meet-mr-rabbit/ http://blog.rustylake.com/mr-boar-another-quest-of-the-rusty-lake-hotel/ http://blog.rustylake.com/meet-our-last-guest-of-the-rusty-lake-hotel/

[cerulean crypt]

Ok so he is chemist

And i wasn't that wrong

[prisma monolith]

Did you need to post the rest?

[cerulean crypt]

What rest?

[covert wyvern]

might aswell have em all here 😉

[azure bay]

The rest of the guests

[cerulean crypt]

But there was 5 guests

[azure bay]

I was copy-pasting them. I thought that it would be interesting to revive the links for every guest as they are pretty forgotten

[covert wyvern]

yes and theres 5 links?

lol

[cerulean crypt]

Actualy if they have really a canon height i canScrenshot them and measure height of Mr.Crow

[azure bay]

You need to make sure they share the screen

[cerulean crypt]

Mr.Crow share scrren with shrimp cocktail

Every guest hold shrimp cocktail

[astral frost]

Little easter egg: all the chemists in the games (William Vanderboom, Mr Deer, James Vanderboom) share the same clothes

[azure bay]

Will you consider perspective?