he remembered his past didnt he
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stable wigeon
upper drift
Wasn't just deer. Remember that even Mr. Rabbit went against him at some point.
stable wigeon
did they all remember their past
stable wigeon
Wasn't just deer. Remember that even Mr. Rabbit went against him at some point. True but was that for the same reason? he did that to balance the substance remember
@upper drift
azure bay
did they all remember their past
I think you need to meet certain conditions in order to keep access to memories of your past life. Laura is depicted to still have William's memories. For some reason, she's unable to see them
stable wigeon
yea i was under impression owl was. only one that has
azure bay
yea i was under impression owl was. only one that has
Mr Crow is the same
stable wigeon
o right
upper drift
Hmm
azure bay
I've also got that impression
upper drift
I seriously want a game from the perspective of Mr Owl
Who has now given up the mantle of the Owl mask
stable wigeon
why were the guys at the hotel so oblivous to getting murdered lol
only makes sense they dont have their memories
upper drift
Well Harvey was just "a servant" remember?
They never expected him to be lethal anyway
stable wigeon
yea ig
upper drift
Kinda like modern Room service
azure bay
They would notice the other guests being suspiciously gone
stable wigeon
true they seem to just be stupid
upper drift
Hmmm that is there though
azure bay
true they seem to just be stupid
maybe just ignorant
stable wigeon
same difference lol
azure bay
If they knew their previous deeds they'd expect some kind of revenge & be vigilant
azure bay
I think, not that personal
azure bay
He was the winner after all
stable wigeon
yea right
upper drift
Guy has a God syndrome
azure bay
Guy has a God syndrome
or there's something more dangerous
upper drift
Aight bye
upper drift
or there's something more dangerous
Hmmm
I'm also interested how Dale would turn out as the new Mr. Owl
azure bay
I expect him to become Deer
azure bay
birthday
azure bay
may I try convincing you in otherwise?
azure bay
- In Case 23 Dale was going down. In BD & Theatre he was going upwards.
- The elevators he's riding in in Case 23 & BD+Theatre are different.
so that means that he had to switch them some time in between the games. And I know exactly when
- In The Cave there's a mural depicting Dale's descend to the lake bottom & his travel to the big white cube
- Later that game we still saw Dale in that cube. Then he started flickering between human & corrupted state before being put in another elevator. Both in BD & Theatre intros we see Dale still flickering
- The elevator he's going up in is similar to the one we see in Hotel
- In the Hotel game ending we see a prophecy of Dale reaching the hotel by the elevator
so the chronology is more like Case 23->The Cave->Birthday->Theatre->Hotel prophecy
So we may expect just another game taking place in the hotel
Paradox is another subject to discuss tho
real lantern
I know this conversation happened yesterday but, i dont think that laura actualy changed the past, she just changed her own memories so she could have closure, so she could be happy and pass on to another part of the wheel of life
royal notch
It could be. This would be a change never happened just like for Dale.
azure bay
I know this conversation happened yesterday but, i dont think that laura actualy...
My idea was that for now it's difficult to prove any pov I presented back then. You may bring out some proofs but these may be perceived in a different way by others so it becomes a question not about the objective truth but rather its interpretations.
royal notch
Right, Is also hard think that the devs "ended" this fantastic story just at the beginning.
azure bay
Right, Is also hard think that the devs "ended" this fantastic story just at the...
For me this Seasons game looks a lot like an independent story all in itself. With its own complete arc.
These probably completeness was required in order to please the very first players, as something as unfinished as Case 23 would probably scare them away & everything wouldn't be that popular
royal notch
Yeah, maybe Laura's corrupted soul changed the past just like Dale did. And so, she didn't really, but only in her mind.
real lantern
I realy think i read somewhere that they had the story set after "the lake" but i just cant seem to find the source...
azure bay
I realy think i read somewhere that they had the story set after "the lake" but ...
what part of the story?
royal notch
Yes, for someone, Lake Is to play before seasons.
azure bay
Yes, for someone, Lake Is to play before seasons.
that's not the point
royal notch
The Lake Is in the Summer 1964, before the evening we play in seasons.
azure bay
the Lake is in 1969
royal notch
Yeah, Sorry!
azure bay
between spring 1964 & summer 1971
royal notch
My mistake.
azure bay
np
real lantern
I mean, that the devs had the story pretty much formed after "the lake" but now that i cant find the source of where i read it, i think i might just be crazy
royal notch
I also read that, i think in the Wiki.
azure bay
I mean, that the devs had the story pretty much formed after "the lake" but now ...
There are different branches of the story. It's hard to imagine that all of them were thought-through in details
It's even more likely that some newer ideas would grow on the older ones
like the golden cube
real lantern
I mean, yeah but.... man would that make stuff easier
azure bay
it's expected to be seen both in BD & Theatre
it's not the case tho
like it was an idea that arrived exclusively during The Cave production
William Vanderboom also seems to be taken out of nowhere, for in The Mill Laura was treated just like a mundane memory donor
but the main arc of Dale could be that story you think you've read about
this seems to be consistent since The Mill
cerulean crypt
So my theory
There is a massive creature in the lake (i will cal it monster)
it is shown in two places;
In cave
and on main page of Rusty lake studio
Maybe the moster is the reason why memories my go back to the lake?
What if that monster is a Lobster donkey?
azure bay
oh no! that guy has found us!
azure bay
😁
azure bay
found what?
us
azure bay
We've met on reddit
covert wyvern
if you'd pay attention to usernames you would've known right away 😉
azure bay
maybe multiple of them. maybe even not of the same species
the lake was full of surprises
royal notch
I don't know, in Paradise there are plagues, and i don't think they could have this Power.
But Who knows...
azure bay
I don't know, in Paradise there are plagues, and i don't think they could have t...
who are u talking about?
royal notch
About this ipothetical Monster.
azure bay
About this ipothetical Monster.
there are many unexpected or weird creatures in the lake. Most of them are seen in The Cave
royal notch
Would we talk about that horrible thing with human legs?
azure bay
that's one of them
cerulean crypt
Also , if lake is named rusty, that mean the soil and rocs have iron, why there is no mine then?
royal notch
I think, the Lake Is called in that way, because during the night it dye Red, like Rusty iron.
azure bay
Also , if lake is named rusty, that mean the soil and rocs have iron, why the...
maybe there is. It doesn't have to be in the closest proximity
royal notch
I think, the Lake Is called in that way, because during the night it dye Red, li...
We see that in hotel.
cerulean crypt
Also it may be algea, but i don't think there are that kind of alge in canada
azure bay
We see that in hotel.
usually red things are actually rusty. Mars, for example
royal notch
Right.
royal notch
Also it may be algea, but i don't think there are that kind of alge in canada
Or maybe, It could be the Lake itself.
cerulean crypt
Or maybe, It could be the Lake itself.
How?
royal notch
Someone (like me) thinks that the Lake Is something like a supernatural entity, that would explain the plagues in Paradise.
azure bay
agree
I'm pretty sure that the lake was the main object of Eilanders' cult
it also has its own will
in a way
like it always required fresh memories
cerulean crypt
Also i wonder why if lake is possiby in USA or Canada why there is chapel from 14th century
Maybe it was moved from Europe
azure bay
Also i wonder why if lake is possiby in USA or Canada why there is chapel from 1...
rock by rock?
cerulean crypt
rock by rock?
You can move buildings from one country to another
IDK how but it is possible
azure bay
would people bother that much with moving heavy rocks if they were in abundance on the place of destinaton
cerulean crypt
IDK, but moving building is a fact
azure bay
IDK, but moving building is a fact
what age are you talking about?
azure bay
ah, I guess I get what you mean
cerulean crypt
In roots we can see when it first is sean
royal notch
Also i wonder why if lake is possiby in USA or Canada why there is chapel from 1...
I think Canada, because there are lots of lakes. Also, the pines in all the scenarios seems be part of a cold Place. And Leonard, in Roots, moved immediatly in war, thing that USA did in 1917.
cerulean crypt
I think Canada, because there are lots of lakes. Also, the pines in all the scen...
Leonard wear british uniform
Canadian arnmy also use british uniform
azure bay
Building can be moved anytime
no, not every building is easy to move. I've seen only residential buildings being moved & only because they didn't have foundation dug into the soil
if you have evidence from the past, I'll be glad to admit myself being wrong
cerulean crypt
no, not every building is easy to move. I've seen only residential buildings bei...
From my knowlege
Wang temple was moved from Norway to Poland
azure bay
ok, my apologies
however, I'm still not sure if anyone would pay for moving the chapel across the ocean
we don't even have a potential customer
royal notch
Maybe, Rusty Lake Is in the North of England!
cerulean crypt
Maybe if you take many immigrants, and they wan't something from they country
azure bay
I'd rather believe in them building a new chapel from the scratch
cerulean crypt
It is still posible
azure bay
possible & plausible are different things
royal notch
But that wouldn't explain the date.
cerulean crypt
why not?
azure bay
But that wouldn't explain the date.
that would if the original chapel was built then
royal notch
In the 1300?
cerulean crypt
If it was moved from europe it explains
cerulean crypt
But it is possible
royal notch
Yes.
covert wyvern
the lake shall forever just be a subspace bubble that can be accessed all over the world 
cerulean crypt
It can also be just a state of mind
royal notch
Every street take to the Lake!
vague imp
maybe the lake is just in a different plane of existence
cerulean crypt
but the fish is real
vague imp
well maybe the fish swam into it
cerulean crypt
From what i find it can be Golden redhorse or Roach
covert wyvern
different plane doesnt have to mean alien.
nocturne yarrow
Apologies if this is an annoying question and I should just scroll up and find out about it on my own, but why couldn't the chapel just have been built on the lake?
azure bay
Apologies if this is an annoying question and I should just scroll up and find o...
many here believe the lake being located in Canada. The date on the chapel predates the colonization period
nocturne yarrow
Ah, got it
At this point, it just makes more sense to me that the lake would be located somewhere in northern Europe
cerulean crypt
Actualy why many people tell that town has no name
Why we can't use Dark Town name??
azure bay
Actualy why many people tell that town has no name
Why we can't use Dark Town na...
because the whole globe is a metaphor for Laura's or Dale's life-path (depends on the chapter) & all geographical names are just references to the crucial events of their lives
cerulean crypt
Ohh ok, i know that the globe map aren't real map
nocturne yarrow
I do think it's possible that some of the more oblique locations on the Paradox globes are future locations for the games. The Dark Town specifically seems like it could be used, as I always got the feeling that there was a town near Rusty Lake that housed the Theatre and other locations we've never seen in larger shots of the lake.
cerulean crypt
I also think that it is the town
royal notch
Me too, but i don't think It Is his real name.
Also, a Lake with this particularity attracts tons of tourists and surely there must be a Town for them.
azure bay
I do think it's possible that some of the more oblique locations on the Paradox ...
The theater has no way being located in the lake's proximity. Otherwise Dale would be a fool, considering his inability to find the lake
nocturne yarrow
Also, a Lake with this particularity attracts tons of tourists and surely there ...
The lake seems to actually be hidden from wider awareness somehow, as Dale was unable to easily find it during his initial investigations. As such, if there's a town near it, it would be pretty secluded.
azure bay
The lake seems to actually be hidden from wider awareness somehow, as Dale was u...
it would be easily hidden if it was a minor location abroad
it even takes Hoorn's daughter to take a plane to get to the lake from that very city
royal notch
But why It should be hidden? If the Lake Is hard top reach It wouldn't have all those tourists.
cerulean crypt
There is hotel on the lake
azure bay
There is hotel on the lake
this hotel seems to be not for humans
nocturne yarrow
But why It should be hidden? If the Lake Is hard top reach It wouldn't have all ...
What tourists are you talking about?
And the hotel isn't really for tourists, it seems more specialized for Mr. Owl's purposes.
azure bay
What tourists are you talking about?
any hypothetical tourists, I guess
that would go there hiking, for example
royal notch
Let me explain.
cerulean crypt
there is fishing cabin on the lake
azure bay
there is fishing cabin on the lake
the one where a whole elevator is hidden?
cerulean crypt
the one where a whole elevator is hidden?
Yes
azure bay
and what's your message here?
nocturne yarrow
Here's my claim about the lake's hidden-ness- The lake is clearly difficult to find or hidden, as Dale wasn't able to find it without literally teleporting there, but you can get there more easily with "invitation". An example would be the mental health and wellness program Laura signed up for, leading her to end up at the cabin.
covert wyvern
Id like to second this motion^
nocturne yarrow
I'm not sure how it works, but I think Mr. Owl has some Hogwarts-esque power over who can and can't access the lake.
azure bay
I'm not sure how it works, but I think Mr. Owl has some Hogwarts-esque power ove...
If the lake was situated in the middle of nowhere, no such power would be required
nocturne yarrow
If the lake was situated in the middle of nowhere, no such power would be requir...
The problem with this is Dale's apparent difficulty finding the lake. You could be right, but it feels like there could be something more.
azure bay
we definitely have James, Mary, Ida and Leonard freely entering or leaving the location
oh
nocturne yarrow
Aye, because they originated there, or were "invited".
Once you're connected to the lake, I think you essentially have the freedom to come and go.
azure bay
Aye, because they originated there, or were "invited".
Ida seems to be just a wandering fortune teller
We also have the more recent example
Kirsten Hoorn
nocturne yarrow
Ida seems to be just a wandering fortune teller
yeah, now that I think about it, that puts a bit of a fly in this theory's ointment. Maybe it is just remote, and was more well-known in the time of Roots.
royal notch
Let me explain.
I think there are tons of tourists, because that particularity of the Lake. That explain every brand Rusty Lake we see in the games (Cigars, Pilsener, etc.). With this whole local products, the Lake Is definitely a tourists Place. The hotel Is built for seeming a vip places, that only Rich people can afford. My theory Is that the enlighteneds are the bosses of those brands, and that they can afford the hotel. In there, they can assume their real form. And anyway, if someone casually approach too much, nothing prevent them to assume the human form.
azure bay
I think there are tons of tourists, because that particularity of the Lake. That...
there could be a whole hidden society of enlightened people
nocturne yarrow
yeah, now that I think about it, that puts a bit of a fly in this theory's ointm...
The idea that it's a location that has somewhat fallen from grace in recent times kinda makes sense, as it went from having news reports on the deaths of the Vanderbooms in Roots to being impossible to locate in Case 23.
azure bay
The idea that it's a location that has somewhat fallen from grace in recent time...
Daily Herald are a bunch of independent newsparers
royal notch
there could be a whole hidden society of enlightened people
In hotel, there are 10 people. Not so much, not so low.
cerulean crypt
In hotel, there are 10 people. Not so much, not so low.
5 of them are dead
azure bay
In hotel, there are 10 people. Not so much, not so low.
there are enough of asura people to keep Rabbit & Pheasant in showbis
& Boar is ambassador
so there could be even more
royal notch
5 of them are dead
And the brands are gone to someone else, Who doesn't know anything.
nocturne yarrow
there are enough of asura people to keep Rabbit & Pheasant in showbis
Just gonna offer my opinion- I think their animal identities are a recent aquisition, not a whole-life thing. Mr. Crow was just "Aldous Vanderboom" before he drank the elixir, it could be a similar situation here. The identities of "Ms. Pheasant" and such could be pseudonyms.
azure bay
Just gonna offer my opinion- I think their animal identities are a recent aquisi...
they have posters where they don't hide their identities
nocturne yarrow
no like
royal notch
so there could be even more
But they're Eilanders, they could Just pretend to be Rich.
nocturne yarrow
those are the hidden identities, not their true names
nocturne yarrow
those *are* the hidden identities, not their true names
But there's no evidence for this whole concept so I might as well not argue it
azure bay
But they're Eilanders, they could Just pretend to be Rich.
them being Eilanders is irrelevant for my points
azure bay
But there's no evidence for this whole concept so I might as well not argue it
the thing is that all the guests show no evidence of them remembering their past. They all seem to change their personalities since their rebirth so their older identities could be also hidden deep in their heads. The only exception is Mr. Rabbit but he could recall everything just in another life as during Birthday he seems to be reborn once more
royal notch
I mean, the Eilanders built the hotel, so they can just pretend to be special guests. Mr Toad and Mr Bat are new enlighteneds who already had money from their backstories, maybe from those brands, and that Is an explaination for the rest of the world for afford the hotel.
azure bay
I mean, the Eilanders built the hotel, so they can just pretend to be special gu...
It could be just Mr. Owl to build the hotel. All the others seem to be distant from the island
cerulean crypt
But why Dale gone crazy on Laura?
royal notch
the thing is that all the guests show no evidence of them remembering their past...
But why they should forget their past? Every enlightened Remember his past.
cerulean crypt
But why they should forget their past? Every enlightened Remember his past.
Like Mr.Crow
azure bay
But why they should forget their past? Every enlightened Remember his past.
we have just Jacob & Aldous. Everyone else is not confirmed
nocturne yarrow
I just don't think the guests are even the Eilanders at all, but that's a point I've made too many damn times to talk about more
royal notch
It could be just Mr. Owl to build the hotel. All the others seem to be distant f...
I don't think so, only One person can't have built that huge palace.
nocturne yarrow
I don't think so, only One person can't have built that huge palace.
Remember, he has some assistants like Crow, Toad, Bat, and possibly the entire White Door organization, if it existed in any form at the time.
azure bay
I don't think so, only One person can't have built that huge palace.
we don't know how did Owl get hands on his resources & connections
royal notch
I think the Eilanders built tigether the hotel, and then everyone went for his way.
royal notch
Remember, he has some assistants like Crow, Toad, Bat, and possibly the entire W...
Yeah, but them surely happen after 1796!
cerulean crypt
But why they collect memories?
azure bay
I just don't think the guests are even the Eilanders at all, but that's a point ...
there are too many parallels & possible clues that it's impossible for me to doubt.
The main point for me is Eilanders being willing to find enlightenment in exchange of sacrifice. The sacrifice was performed so I expect them to get what they wanted
azure bay
But why they collect memories?
It's the lake's requirement
azure bay
I think the Eilanders built tigether the hotel, and then everyone went for his w...
Mr. Boar wasn't even familiar with Owl.
& didn't know about the lake
cerulean crypt
It's the lake's requirement
Monster want's it YEah
royal notch
Mr. Boar wasn't even familiar with Owl.
What! It's Gerard!
nocturne yarrow
there are too many parallels & possible clues that it's impossible for me to dou...
eh, maybe. There's enough weird non-parallels, like their complete lack of memory and lack of such traits as Ms. Pheasant being blind, that I don't really believe it. And as much as people keep saying "enlightenment makes you lose memories", I don't think I've seen that even mentioned as a possibility in the games so far.
azure bay
eh, maybe. There's enough weird non-parallels, like their complete lack of memor...
if we take Mr. Owl & Mr. Crow as exceptions, everything works fine
Eilanders didn't consume any form of elixir. Owl & Crow did
cerulean crypt
Eilanders didn't consume any form of elixir. Owl & Crow did
Dog also consume elixir
nocturne yarrow
if we take Mr. Owl & Mr. Crow as exceptions, everything works fine
But they're the only concrete examples we have. If we act like they don't exist, we don't actually have anything at all but what we can make up and guess at.
royal notch
But if the Eilanders haven't any Memories, why the mass omicide in hotel?
azure bay
But they're the only concrete examples we have. If we act like they don't exist,...
true
nocturne yarrow
But if the Eilanders haven't any Memories, why the mass omicide in hotel?
something something "balancing the lake" or "remaking paradise" or whatever, it's still very unclear
azure bay
But if the Eilanders haven't any Memories, why the mass omicide in hotel?
Owl required their memories about the future in order to discover who'd be his successor
royal notch
And the others black cubes?
azure bay
And the others black cubes?
just a side effect of his master plan
nocturne yarrow
My thinking is that Owl found random people whom the spirits or whatever of his family reincarnated into, brought them to the Hotel and gave them elixir so they assumed animal forms, and that confluence of the sacred animal forms let him create the cube that predicted the future. Or something like that.
good lord the story of these games sounds insane when you look at it from an outside perspective
azure bay
My thinking is that Owl found random people whom the spirits or whatever of his ...
I'm pretty sure he has no elixir. Otherwise he wouldn't make a weaker extract in The Cave just in order to maintain his powers
nocturne yarrow
yeah, that's a pretty big problem with my theory
Though do keep in mind the time discrepancy- he could've run out by that point.
azure bay
the elixir he consumed wasn't materialistic
the elixir Aldous consumed was kept intact & it was James to waste it
for some it seems stupid
azure bay
Dog is immortal
as long as all the elixir particles are not gone via its digestion system
cerulean crypt
as long as all the elixir particles are not gone via its digestion system
Can go bacc to lobster donkey?
azure bay
I think lobster donkey is more relevant on the memes channel or smth
cerulean crypt
There is some reason why they put that in game
covert wyvern
Depends on the context
azure bay
There is some reason why they put that in game
a sound check
cerulean crypt
FOR MEMES is also a good reason
covert wyvern
But nowheres probably right.
cerulean crypt
But still there is monster in lake
azure bay
But still there is monster in lake
Undoubtedly. Then what?
cerulean crypt
Undoubtedly. Then what?
Nothing, but what it has to do with plot
cerulean crypt
What?
azure bay
Like the lake is seen in Arles, something big could swim in from distant waters
It could be an ancient being that was preserved since 20000 b.c. due to time anomalies in the lake's proximity
cerulean crypt
Actualy what if lake is here where is mr.Owl?
azure bay
It could be a mutant created by the lake
cerulean crypt
That wil explain how van Gogh know lake
azure bay
Actualy what if lake is here where is mr.Owl?
The lake is shown to be independent. It's a form of hell from the samsara pov
cerulean crypt
Actualy, if we see broken timepiece in collecion, does that mean Dead can't be reborn?
azure bay
the timepiece seems to be just an element of William's mechanism that helped him get reborn afterwards
no magic seen
cerulean crypt
But we see noone else reborning
royal notch
Personally, i think that William get reicarnated because of his work to get reicarnated.
azure bay
But we see noone else reborning
samsara is a thing in Ruasty Lake. If there was no samsara then noone would be born
azure bay
Personally, i think that William get reicarnated because of his work to get reic...
William was a CS. CS are long-lasting but not eternal
cerulean crypt
samsara is a thing in Ruasty Lake. If there was no samsara then noone would be b...
So what is William goal ?
azure bay
to be reborn faster
cerulean crypt
Push Samsara wheel forward?
cerulean crypt
Also Albert seems he communicate with Wiliam
azure bay
& he wanted to be reborn specifically as human
cerulean crypt
He do many thing to help him'
cerulean crypt
Put he did to much to this be a coincidence
royal notch
Albert is shown to be on his own
In fact, i'm so curios to know how he Will revive...
azure bay
Put he did to much to this be a coincidence
he didn't have to do anything as humans are mortal on their own
it just happened that he was poorly treated
cerulean crypt
he didn't have to do anything as humans are mortal on their own
Albert do
Wiliam earn?
azure bay
seems to be the case
but the pulse was set by William & Aldous
the ritual was devised & prepared
the nephew was invited
then the things went on their own
(probably)
royal notch
Exactly, and William's corrupted soul did everything for more than 60 years! I'm curios how can Albert revive. Maybe he prepared something for his own... we'll see.
azure bay
what is "everything"?
azure bay
Unfortunately, for the most cases we don't know which deeds performed by the player belong to William & which to all the others
we know that SOME do belong to William
we even know which they are
but most of them are not that certain
royal notch
I think every game, because it's not of the devs changing the POV during the game. But anyway, he waited that time.
royal notch
Exactly!
royal notch
Exactly, and William's corrupted soul did everything for more than 60 years! I'm...
Personally, i hope he will die One second After being ran over, he's a too dangerous ass****!
😂
azure bay
I think every game, because it's not of the devs changing the POV during the gam...
As long as everyone is to eventually die, William could just wait & WATCH. The problem is the form of these games. Nothing happens without the player's tap. However, not every tap belongs to the protagonist. Something is always performed by other characters, something happens on its own. But every time the player should tap the screen, for otherwise it wouldn't be a game but a low-budget cartoon.
royal notch
Yeah, but i still don't think that sometime we are other people. But also i know that we don't do EVERYTHING in the game. Just think of the Voodoo level: surely was Albert moving the dolls, but the player do that Just for the game.
azure bay
that's my point
there's no need for William to do anything Vanderbooms could do on their own
stable wigeon
btw does anyone know whats up with that picture of a forest with red fog
and the jumpscare with it in seasons
azure bay
In Theatre this forest was stated to be a kind of hell. In The Cave we see this forest under the lake
cerulean crypt
I was wondering why fishesh in lake act strange, but then i see that fish is one of thing on Wheel in CE Theatre, SO did that actualy means that some fishesh have people soul in it?
azure bay
there is no such thing as "people soul", according to samsara. There are just souls that may become humans, animals & even gods
If you are a fish it doesn't mean that you are unable to become a human in your next life
& vise versa
cerulean crypt
Also , in Hotel Harvey look like 
this , Harvey wear a male suit
But in seasons we se Harvey laing eggs, so are there two parrots or something weird happend
prisma monolith
There was the hidden snowglobe scene in Birthday
covert wyvern
y'all are too stuck on gendering clothes and names 😉
vague imp
Harvey is a yes
azure bay
y'all are too stuck on gendering clothes and names 😉
we're talking about 19th century. It was ok back then
prisma monolith
That shows their fate after being attacked by the corrupted souls of the Hotel guests, they were transformed into a bird afterwards
azure bay
Harvey was personnaly revived by Mr. Owl then. I guess, a demigod form was too much even for him, so Harvey had to stick to an animal one from then on. BTW sex is an attribute of a body, not soul so changing it alongside with body is ok, from samsara pov
cerulean crypt
male birds don't lay eggs
prisma monolith
Gender/sexuality in birds is quite a bit different than a human's
azure bay
Gender/sexuality in birds is quite a bit different than a human's
do you mean instincts or roles in reproduction?
cerulean crypt
Is there two parrots or something weird happend?
prisma monolith
For example, they don't have X or Y chromosomes, instead having Z and W
azure bay
For example, they don't have X or Y chromosomes, instead having Z and W
does it mean that male birds may lay eggs?
prisma monolith
A bird could probably identify as a male and still lay eggs
Human men have gotten pregnant before (FtoM trans, but still)
cerulean crypt
So something weid happen
prisma monolith
I'm not an ornithologist and I only learned this knowledge anecdotally from only one college course, so take my word with a grain of salt
azure bay
I rather tend to think that we're seeing a depiction of an accurate culture of 19th century that was ignorant about all of modern gender knowledge & Harvey just got a different sex after rebirth just like William did
vague imp
Harvey could be magic n change gender whenever he/she/they/whatever wants
if i was able do change my gender on a whim i wouldnt honestly give a flying fuck what others say
prisma monolith
Harvey could just be a female in masculine attire
cerulean crypt
So Harvey from hotel Phiicaly isn'tharvey from CE?
vague imp
controversial opinion:
Harvey is Harvey-Damy
covert wyvern
spicey takes on the monday morning.
cerulean crypt
controversial opinion:
Harvey is Harvey-Damy
What that mean
vague imp
it means Harvey is Harvey
cerulean crypt
But he has diffrent genders in difrent games how?
azure bay
But he has diffrent genders in difrent games how?
probably
prisma monolith
Harvey is Harvey, don't speculate
azure bay
William did the same
cerulean crypt
When Harvey rebirth then?
azure bay
When Harvey rebirth then?
secret scene in Birthday
cerulean crypt
secret scene in Birthday
He changes form and escape
prisma monolith
(looks up "bird gender") uh, all I can see is that males tend to have brighter plumage
cerulean crypt
Adolus can also change forms
azure bay
He changes form and escape
he died & there was a short scene of Mr. Owl making some magic over his corpse
just before the lightbeam struck them
azure bay
I have a screenshot
cerulean crypt
So this what takes William decades , Harvey do so fast?
prisma monolith
Harvey could also be the occasional half-male half-female bird
azure bay
So this what takes William decades , Harvey do so fast?
Mr. Owl gave that boost. He's powerful, u see
covert wyvern
it's probably easier to transform an alive being
than being reborn as a new person
vague imp
ahaha
azure bay
it's probably easier to transform an alive being
I guess only with the right ritual
vague imp
transform
covert wyvern
I want to tackle your money question @cerulean crypt so don't mind me answering it.
cerulean crypt
Ok go on
covert wyvern
I assume, considering owls an alchemist
he simply transforms mundane things into money
¯_(ツ)_/¯
vague imp
midas touch..XD?
cerulean crypt
Sems good
covert wyvern
perhaps!
cerulean crypt
What>
azure bay
I assume, considering owls an alchemist
Owl was NEVER confirmed to be an alchemist. Crow was
vague imp
dfbm,dflmbfglkgbmg
prisma monolith
Harvey could also be the occasional half-male half-female bird
Though, they don't have the typical plumage for that (vertical length male on one side, female on the other)
stable wigeon
wait so
vague imp
well theres is a thing called "bigender" maybe Harvey's figuring out which gender they like the most
that takes time trust me..XD
stable wigeon
if the forest is hell does that mean thats where the CS go
azure bay
Though, they don't have the typical plumage for that (vertical length male on on...
now you are seemingly over-complicating stuff
stable wigeon
and can they just visit their memories whenever they want
azure bay
if the forest is hell does that mean thats where the CS go
apparently no. There were mostly seen just local CS
vague imp
Though, they don't have the typical plumage for that (vertical length male on on...
maybe they dont wanna be offensive
idk if they know any trans people ever and it is a touchy subject these days ngl so you gotta dread lightly
covert wyvern
we stan trans parrots in this server 
vague imp
we do
cerulean crypt
So Harvey is trans parrot
vague imp
i think im gonna make a trans rights harvey edit..XD
covert wyvern
well maybe.
all we know is Harvey seems "male dressed" in hotel, and gets transformed probably into another gender at the end of hotel in the secret birthday scene
we don't know if Harvey became "female" on their own accord or by accident.
vague imp
i seen women rock suits more than men ngl..XD
covert wyvern
agreed^but that's not relevant to this discussion ;0
vague imp
oh ik just saying
stable wigeon
but
azure bay
So Harvey is trans parrot
As long as we have William's example, a sex swap during rebirth is more plausible. Plus, it's canon in Indian religions
stable wigeon
to be blunt
covert wyvern
although looking at the importance of harveys eggs in the series,
stable wigeon
suits usually cant hide boobs
covert wyvern
it's likely a plot on Mr. Owls part.
azure bay
guys, come on! What are the odds of a woman wearing man clothes in 19th century?
delicate forge
I recently found out a lake that looks like rusty’s .Was Rusty lake based on a real one or just coincidence?
cerulean crypt
I recently found out a lake that looks like rusty’s .Was Rusty lake based on a r...
Canada ontario?
azure bay
Canada ontario?
there are at least four Rusty Lakes in Canada
stable wigeon
anyway so harvey's anthropomorphic parrot is different from the straight up parrot?
delicate forge
at least it reminds me of it
covert wyvern
that's likely @stable wigeon
cerulean crypt
there are at least four Rusty Lakes in Canada
Ontario or manitoba
prisma monolith
Harvey: Can you turn me into a female after I serve you the guests?
Mr. Owl: weird request, but k
stable wigeon
i thought they were both parrots so both the same
aka i didnt think it was a reincarnation
vague imp
guys, come on! What are the odds of a woman wearing man clothes in 19th century?
i shall show you these
azure bay
i shall show you these
I'm not asking for examples. I'm asking for statistics
grizzled bluff
I mean, what are the odds someone creates an elixer of immortality? The clothes are way more realistic
That actually happened
covert wyvern
"I'm asking for statistics" in a game about magical animal people
I think you're taking this thing a bit too serious my dude.
delicate forge
at least it reminds me of it
its pretty accurate idk
vague imp
Women’s sartorial liberation continued in the jazz age as women widely began wearing trousers for leisure activities,
so yes they were wearing them in the 1933s
delicate forge
its pretty accurate idk
can i send a pic?
stable wigeon
why is this still a discussion
prisma monolith
If Shakespearean actors (men) wore drag to portray women, then it would make sense that women wore male clothing then
cerulean crypt
I mean maybe i am really "That guy from reddit"
covert wyvern
I'm unsure, but I'm thinking of cutting it short.
delicate forge
(sorry that im out of topic 😅)
azure bay
"I'm asking for statistics" in a game about magical animal people <a:Cool:660779...
we have some primary sources that may inspire devs, o we may translate some logic on the game
stable wigeon
anyway so parrot-person isnt the same being as parrot parrot?
vague imp
but yeah women did wear suits, statistics i mean i can look it up if you really need
cerulean crypt
anyway so parrot-person isnt the same being as parrot parrot?
Name and Species is the same
azure bay
Harvey: Can you turn me into a female after I serve you the guests?
Mr. Owl: wei...
Look, Harvey died & the only thing Mr. Owl could do was preserving their parrot-like form. According to samsara, sex is random during rebirth.
azure bay
ik i thought he was the same harvey
the personality could be preserved because memories were
azure bay
that IS rebirth?
kind of
covert wyvern
assuming the memories are part of the soul^ which most definitely seems to be the case in RL
covert wyvern
doesn't have to.
prisma monolith
Is rebirth gender really random, or did William want to shed his male body for a female's?
grizzled bluff
Not necessarily
vague imp
he rolled a d20
stable wigeon
but what tf kind of form is
covert wyvern
bc laura was born from a "natural" pregnancy
stable wigeon
animal-person
azure bay
animal-person
it's asura
grizzled bluff
I always felt like it was a bit botched. In the sense that not much of dear ol' Billie remained in the first place
vague imp
i have a theory i wanna share about William and Laura if youre all willing do hear..XD
stable wigeon
OHHH thats what that means
cerulean crypt
it's asura
FURRY
prisma monolith
bc laura was born from a "natural" pregnancy
I've always thought of the "birth" as Rose taking Laura out of the lake
stable wigeon
i was wondering why tf there was sanskirt in theatre
i thought i was just speculating
wow so much makes sense now
covert wyvern
I've always thought of the "birth" as Rose taking Laura out of the lake
Interesting take, I hadn't considered that.
stable wigeon
Hotel is asura?
vague imp
So you know how William was "reborn" well i dont think he really was Laura had her own soul, mind and body.But Williams (corrupted) soul stood around/latched onto her since birth like some freaky ghost stalker, so she saw "him" or his soul of constantly driving her more paranoid/cuckoo for coco puffs so pretty much his soul haunted a woman driving her to well suicide..
cerulean crypt
I am realy the one who start it?
prisma monolith
We never saw Rose with a baby bump (we only saw Mary and Emma being pregnant)
covert wyvern
timeskips exist lmao
azure bay
We never saw Rose with a baby bump (we only saw Mary and Emma being pregnant)
she was kept in the clock for approximately a year
covert wyvern
although I guess most if not all events in roots are dated.
vague imp
well she did go into the clock lmao..XD
prisma monolith
Did the branches/roots impregnate Rose?
covert wyvern
that's not a mental image i want to think about.
vague imp
lord dbmf i cant unsee thst but i guess yeah
cerulean crypt
Did the branches/roots impregnate Rose?
Flower make Emma pregnant
azure bay
lord dbmf i cant unsee thst but i guess yeah
think of it like a magical teleportation inside a womb
prisma monolith
Maybe she later gave birth or baptized Laura in the lake, and that's why she's seen holding her knee-deep in the water
vague imp
think of it like a magical teleportation inside a womb
i dont think thats the image i got in my head buddy..XD
stable wigeon
although I guess most if not all events in roots are dated.
were they not?
i thought they were
azure bay
The dates are approximate
stable wigeon
also hold up speaking of roots
cerulean crypt
Imagine one of Devs of RL watching people arguing about gender of parrot
vague imp
several ppl are typing
prisma monolith
iirc, not by specific month or day, but by season and year
azure bay
& the many events may take longer than a day
I can prove one chapter taking years to last
cerulean crypt
Also i wondering , there is some issue with money in games
stable wigeon
were you previously implying that harvey wasnt an actual parrot until AFTER his anthropomorphic form?
because that doesnt fit with her appearing in roots
cerulean crypt
In roots we se only 3 people doing some kind of job
azure bay
because that doesnt fit with her appearing in roots
It's the part of my proofs
cerulean crypt
Where Vanderbooms money come from?
vague imp
they likely work lmao somewhere
cerulean crypt
Only Sam, Ida and Leonard do something that may be a job
vague imp
who knows..XD
stable wigeon
not politics just saying
stable wigeon
who knows where rich families get their money
covert wyvern
that's better.
vague imp
yeah mfdbk,fd lets not.XD and who knows
stable wigeon
aight whatevs
cerulean crypt
Sam was Carpenter, Ida fortune teller, Leonard was Solidier
prisma monolith
Sam's a carpenter and Ida's a fortune teller, but maybe a lot of the finances come from inheritances?
cerulean crypt
What about anyone else
vague imp
I can see Leonard being a mechanic after he returned from the war, he seems do be into tinkering with vehicles n such
covert wyvern
and I stick to the claim you make yourself familiar with the rules before you catch a banhammer.
and I'll tell you right now, I'm right.
so I kindly suggest you drop this subject 😄
vague imp
who me?
covert wyvern
nah.
cerulean crypt
Can we bacc to money?
azure bay
Why couldn't they have a passive income of a kind?
covert wyvern
go ahead. my scolding is done ;p
vague imp
we dont know how the lake works money wise..XD
but i hc there is a village or smth nearby we just dont see it
prisma monolith
The house looks nice, maybe they invested in real estate?
If that was a thing back then
cerulean crypt
Like we only see 3 Vanderbooms working
covert wyvern
could be a few trhings; everything is dirt cheap
they grow most of their own supply somewhere
covert wyvern
or passive income / inheritance
prisma monolith
Recession?
prisma monolith
I know that it really impacted the whole world, but how bad was it in the Netherlands?
vague imp
i dunno dont live there lol
cerulean crypt
Vanderbooms live in UK or in Canada
covert wyvern
Assuming the lake is its own entity not connected to any real state or economy
I doubt it hurt them much/
vague imp
i dont think it was ever confirmed where it existed..XD
covert wyvern
it isn't
that's why I personally see it as its own thing
even if it does have a physical location.
cerulean crypt
But Leo is british Solidier
vague imp
mmm dunno lmao
covert wyvern
I personally think showing the war was a terrible decision on RLs end.
prisma monolith
I assume that it was somewhere in the Netherlands, since that's where the Rusty Lake studio is
cerulean crypt
Leo is british solidier
covert wyvern
my main "reasoning" for believing the Lake is its own subspace bubble is the White Door ARG
vague imp
If you look up "ww1 soldier clothes" that outfit is the most generic example
covert wyvern
I personally believe the Lake doesn't need a location and is simply accesible.
vague imp
so it really cant be used do pinpoint a country
prisma monolith
Also, since the games have such a large English-speaking audience, it would make sense that they'd put him in English soldier clothing
vague imp
well i mean English is a common used language these days
nearly everyone speaks some English
prisma monolith
Nearly, not all
Also, it's a thing in the US where you can be drafted if you have nationality to the country, regardless if you currently live in another
Not sure if it extends to Rusty Lake, but it's a thing regardless
cerulean crypt
Rusty Lake is in Canada
covert wyvern
we don't know that.
cerulean crypt
Vanderbooms live really close to lake
prisma monolith
Because of the Northern flora?
cerulean crypt
Leo was british solidier
covert wyvern
We, again, don't know that.
vague imp
Oi bruv
cerulean crypt
Canadaian army also use british uniform
covert wyvern
we theorise
you can't claim these things as fact.
no one can claim anything as fact. lmao.
vague imp
only rusty lake can
cerulean crypt
Also somone said me that some charaters have cannon height? is that true?
prisma monolith
I believe that this channel is labelled "theories" and not "things that I say are true because I analyze them to be so"
vague imp
i dont think anyone has a canon height..XD
cerulean crypt
Ok , i will take step bacc
But we can measure it!
use matchbox
Matchboxes are unified
prisma monolith
I've headcannoned all the adults in the games to be at least 5 feet tall
People in the past are usually shorter
azure bay
there are tons of possible evidence leading towards Canada
there is one against it
the date on the chapel
but you still can over-complicate your perception of this just in order to find a way around it
azure bay
once again, this is very unlikely. Just measure the distance & lack of people that would pay for it.
prisma monolith
How about this: Rusty Lake is its own realm that cannot be mapped, you can only be summoned to it
azure bay
there are literally no Christians around in 1796
cerulean crypt
It is still posible
covert wyvern
How about this: Rusty Lake is its own realm that cannot be mapped, you can only ...
I am pro this argument.
azure bay
It is still posible
possible is not plausible
vague imp
Oh no religion
cerulean crypt
Maybe mr Owl pay for this for some reason
prisma monolith
Kinda like the time loops in the Peculiar Children series, except the passage of time is the same as the outer world's
azure bay
How about this: Rusty Lake is its own realm that cannot be mapped, you can only ...
that's another over-complication. I like it more tho but still. We have too little strong evidence for that
azure bay
Maybe mr Owl pay for this for some reason
The Chapel was there before Jacob became Owl
prisma monolith
How do we know that it's a Christian chapel? Catholicism and Quakers were around by the late 1700's
azure bay
How do we know that it's a Christian chapel? Catholicism and Quakers were around...
There's a cross on the top. It's obvious on the IRL-ish shots in Paradox
cerulean crypt
Can't we just rewerse search one of that shots?
prisma monolith
The cross is suggested to be a Pagan symbol
It also appears to be the Latin cross variant
azure bay
The cross is suggested to be a Pagan symbol
just compare the quantity of Christians placing it on the top of their temples with the quantity of Pagans doing the same.
prisma monolith
There are churches that aren't necessarily Christian and still use crosses (a lot of Lutheran churches I've seen use it)
azure bay
Lutherans are worshiping the same god & reading the same Bible
they've just separated from Catholics
covert wyvern
aye^
and where the catholics love using imagery, my local church still had a wooden cross.
(it was protestant)
prisma monolith
Quantum lake?
covert wyvern
ive played around with the lake being an afterlife of sorts
but I've discarded those thoughts.
azure bay
It is just state of mind
newspapers about the events taking place there are also a mind trick?
cerulean crypt
newspapers about the events taking place there are also a mind trick?
Lake is weird
azure bay
Lake is weird
hell it is. We just don't know for sure how weird it is
look, I encourage you to take more neutral position towards theories
It's great that you are able to see connections & prove them
But sometimes it's not enough to find the truth
So it's better to bare in mind some alternatives
azure bay
sometimes there are multiple truths in fiction
if the piece of writing is good its meaning will be transformed with time
or it may have different perspectives
there are indeed examples of authors completely agreeing on some originally unintended interpretations
talking about interpretations, most of them are pretty durable
the objective facts can always be interpreted in many subjective ways
some facts may be declared unimportant for reasons
so it's always difficult to agree on something
so the best we can do is trying to understand why people take one side or another in these discussions
& being able to do the same as well just in case they are right
vague imp
I think deer due to the white door ngl..XD
covert wyvern
Deer due to paradox.
vague imp
Same boat sort of
covert wyvern
have you played paradox? his deer form is quite literally depicted there on several occassions.
vague imp
he wore a deer mask in TWD if i recall
cerulean crypt
I play Paradox, but i don't realise that Deer is only animal seen in forest
azure bay
he wore a deer mask in TWD if i recall
it was Bob's fever dream, so that could be the actual Dale's future form
vague imp
maybe
stable wigeon
wow reading about samsura everything makes so much more sense lol
except
is Dale the only one we see that is able to reach dev
cerulean crypt
But why Mr. Owl looks for new one? Is his power running out? Maybe it was the reason why Hotel guest CS escaped
stable wigeon
He doesnt look all that different than the asura
altho tbh
i find it interesting that all of the hotel staff (besides harvey) are carnivores and all the guests are herbivores
but i never thought that had any meaning
but liek idk he doesnt stick out from them rlly outside from the time he made a spontaneous thunderstorm
also is the samsara eternal? I kinda thought it was but in this game it seems like its possible to be trapped in a state forever
aka hell
stable wigeon
But why Mr. Owl looks for new one? Is his power running out? Maybe it was the re...
I think it has to do with the elixir running out but im not sure
real lantern
I do think that samsara is eternal, it may take billions and bilions of years but one day the wheel of life shall turn
astral frost
The term samsara indicates the whole process of death and reincarnation through the various stages
So the eternity of Samsara is not related only to the singular stages, but to the succession of them
cerulean crypt
And in game someona can push Samsara forward and rebirth faster
astral frost
Yes, exactly
Apparently, it's the only way you can escape the Corrupted Soul stage
You have to do something actively
astral frost
Well, Dale participated in the whole process of finding a way out of Paradox Room
So he did something, anyhow
cerulean crypt
He make him lost himself to save Laura/Willliam
Also Laura tryied to do something in seasons
astral frost
Yep
cerulean crypt
She use thinks from past to destroy herself in the past?
I think it is what we do in Seasons
astral frost
Well
When I reflect about Seasons, I tread very carefully since is one of the oldest games
What's more, it looks like very simbolic
So not everything is simple to understand about it
cerulean crypt
I don't tell it is simple
astral frost
But, in general, she made something to escape her Corrupted Soul stage
astral frost
Yes, but the telephone it's like a metaphor in that case
cerulean crypt
Methapore of what?
astral frost
The telephone it's just the last part of the machine in the last room (winter 1981)
It is connected with those glass cylinders
Where you put the substances of the previous memories
So we could say that she managed to return a Human by "balancing the substance of her past lifes"
cerulean crypt
Balance the substance of my past life
astral frost
Yep
cerulean crypt
But we see CS killing her in Paradox
astral frost
Is it another metaphor? I think it's possible
Well
Wait
Metaphor is not the correct word
astral frost
So
2 things
The first one: I'm very sure that Corrupted Souls aren't something like the souls of the humans
cerulean crypt
Why not?
astral frost
They are always depicted as one of the stages of the wheel, detached from the Human one
cerulean crypt
'cuz Crow extracted memories from her
astral frost
Yes
SO, CS aren't souls as we always consider them
Not something that is part of our body
Then
The second thing is
Paradox is a loop where Dale tries and re-tries, until he reaches one of the established outcomes (probably established by Mr Owl)
cerulean crypt
But what is paradoxal part?
astral frost
So the finale where Dale becomes finally a CS and kills Laura isn't the "right one"
That ending means that, if Dale will become a CS, the whole plan of Mr Owl will fail, and also Laura won't be saved
cerulean crypt
Maybe it is the paradox, Dale try to save her , but he also kills Woman
astral frost
That ending means that, if Dale will become a CS, the whole plan of Mr Owl will ...
The impossibility of save Laura, in that case, is shown as the famous scene of a CS killing her because it shows us that it's Dale's responsibilty of what would happen in that case
BUT
It isn't the planned ending
And , until Dale won't understand it, he'll remain in the loop
cerulean crypt
But when he drinks green vial he must kill the crow to go forward
astral frost
No wait
cerulean crypt
and this ended losing Dale
cerulean crypt
Yes but this is when we saw ending where Woman surviwes
astral frost
Ok, about the green vial ending
I think it represent the possible choice of drinking the elixir of life and death
Since that vial is green like the elixir
In fact, Dale and Laura represent a couple: Dale dies, Laura will become enlightened
BUT
It seems this isn't the canonical ending, even if it's the perfect starting point of a multiple timeline
cerulean crypt
The canonical is gold cube ending?
astral frost
Yes
Something more than the reiteration of the elixir ritual
Mr Owl understood that the elixir wasn't enough
So he planned something different for Dale
What we can say right now is that his plan was waiting for Dale in the Hotel
cerulean crypt
This is why Mr.Owl reviwes Harvey?
To help Dale?
astral frost
Idk anything about Harvey, unless he was very close to Mr Owl
cerulean crypt
Harvey "served" the guests in Hotel
astral frost
We could even think that he was used as a spy in order to control what Laura did during her life
But nothing more of that
It's still a mistery
cerulean crypt
Did you hear that Harvey is trans?
cerulean crypt
I regret doing this
real lantern
Age old tale
real lantern
Its been out there since hotel came out i think lmao
astral frost
The biological gender of a character doesn't matter in Rusty Lake
vague imp
it be like that.XD
astral frost
Since William became Laura
cerulean crypt
Can we stop?
covert wyvern
it may be news to you, but it is not news to the rest of the community. lmao.
@cerulean crypt why? you're literally the one to bring it up.
real lantern
Yeah, but its just funny to see what we were so preocupied about a few years ago hahaha
covert wyvern
if you don't want to discuss things you shouldn't bring em up lmao.
astral frost
What's more, I wouldn't sat that Harvey is transgender
If Harvey can lay eggs in its Animal form, she's a female
cerulean crypt
it may be news to you, but it is not news to the rest of the community. lmao.
I don't know that, Sorry for my dubnes
real lantern
The most widely accepted theory (atleast to my knoledge) is that humanoid harvey is male, but bird harvey is female
cerulean crypt
Can we talk about money?
Only 3 of Vanderbooms do some kind of job
Ida, Sam and Leonard
Where they money come from
vague imp
who knows lol
vague imp
¯_(ツ)_/¯
astral frost
who knows lol
+1
vague imp
+1 what.XD
astral frost
Ahahahha
cerulean crypt
Also did every Vanderboom is deaf and blind?
astral frost
Why?
cerulean crypt
James didin't see body falling out from clock
Anyone notices opening cabinets, windows or anything
astral frost
I think he saw it when he woke up hahahah
cerulean crypt
William do many interacions with thinks around
NO ONE notices, no one except Rosee
cerulean crypt
We are Human in paradise
real lantern
His blood sugar level was low
astral frost
HAHAHAHAHA
cerulean crypt
Also Matchboxes in game are really big
did that mean something?
I try to measure Mr Rabbit height using scaled matchboxes
And something is wrong
real lantern
How tall would he be?
cerulean crypt
astral frost
HAHAHAHAHHA
real lantern
a
cerulean crypt
75 cm
real lantern
Short boi
astral frost
Make @cerulean crypt mod please
covert wyvern
No.
cerulean crypt
No
real lantern
No
astral frost
No
covert wyvern
also I'm gonna assume the matchboxes aren't a very good item to pixel measure with
cerulean crypt
Why not?
covert wyvern
when Rabbit ends up at 75cm.
cerulean crypt
Perspective is a thing i think
But maybe using a lenght of barrel of tommygun will work
real lantern
Maybe something that appears on most games, hearts?
cerulean crypt
Matches also are in most games
but Hearts have diffrent size
Or maybe Winyl disc
covert wyvern
I also don't quite see how the characters height matter but thats okay
somber anvil
there's a picture with the rabbit in a door, wouldn't be possible to use the size of a door to guess his height ?
real lantern
I mean, it doesnt matter, but its always fun to know lmao
covert wyvern
fair!
cerulean crypt
Rabbit has a tommy gun with compensator so that mean it has 30 cm lenght
real lantern
Ah, i love quora
covert wyvern
Do realise the date of birthday when taking that into account 😉
real lantern
True... sadge
covert wyvern
avg. height would make sense tbh
covert wyvern
how so?
real lantern
Its not that short
cerulean crypt
I am taller than him!
real lantern
Ive seen people around 160
cerulean crypt
And i am not really tall
covert wyvern
so? he was born in the 20th century lmao
real lantern
Im 180
cerulean crypt
So he is around 170 that makes sense right?
real lantern
Yep
cerulean crypt
So we can now mesure mr.Crow
stable wigeon
so samsura IS chronological?
real lantern
I tried to find the medium doorway size of doors in the netherlands in 1938 and all i found were trade deals about automatic garage door openers
cerulean crypt
1939, and we don't have proof where it takes place
astral frost
so samsura IS chronological?
What do you mean?
real lantern
The term samsara indicates the whole process of death and reincarnation through ...
I think they're talking about this
astral frost
Samsara isn't chronological
It's just a succession of stages
But it isn't related to precise dates or moments
Idk if I understood correctly
somber anvil
Oh damn you guys are fun
cerulean crypt
Actualy no, Mr Rabbit is shorter than 170 cm (without ears)
somber anvil
is there a picture with Mr Rabbit and other characters next to him ?
cerulean crypt
Only with Dale Parent
But i Calculated that Mr.Rabbit is around 170 cm
He also shows up in Paradox so wa can compare him to Mr.Crow
real lantern
Also, he might be a bit taller considering the angle of the gun
And he seems to be kind of slouching
cerulean crypt
Angle will make him shorter
Becouse of angle we will fill less Barrels in his height
real lantern
Considering the angle it would make him be actualy taller, considering things look shorter at an angle
So the gun barrels would be longer
cerulean crypt
That will decrease a number that we will multiplicate barrel lenght
He is shorter than 170 cm
Mr.Rabbit (without ears )is short boi
real lantern
Turns out im the fool
cerulean crypt
Geometry can be comfusing
stable wigeon
What do you mean?
i was referring to they are indeed in a particular order. I ask this because the wheel I see time and time again doesnt make sense in that order
not only that but
if you have to go through the wheel doesnt that mean that you have to be a deva at some point
nm that last part
but like for example harvey seemed to jump straight from asura to animal
and for Laura, Dale, and Bob
cerulean crypt
He was revired by mr.owl
stable wigeon
we see all of them turn into corrupted souls
cerulean crypt
So maybe this is reason why he jumped
cerulean crypt
Mr.Owl Intervention cause that Harvey jump from CS stage of wheel
cerulean crypt
Also William was Human-Cs-Human-CS nothing else, why?
stable wigeon
well I know william was forced into it
with a lot of sacrifice he forced himself
into human
but it seems like cp comes after human
cerulean crypt
What else he can became?
cerulean crypt
Mr.Owl -Destroyer of Samsara wheel
astral frost
i was referring to they are indeed in a particular order. I ask this because the...
This is exact, there isn't a specified order
astral frost
Even if CS are often reborn as Humans
Or Humans who reach enlightenment become Demigods
astral frost
I would rather say that we haven't enough informations to decide if there is a particular order of the stages
astral frost
demigods as in asura
Demigods=Asuras
stable wigeon
thats what I thought lol
astral frost
I would rather say that we haven't enough informations to decide if there is a p...
But it's possible
cerulean crypt
Actualy a wheel in Theatre makes no sense
stable wigeon
but i was lookinf at the wheel
astral frost
I wouldn't exclude that possibility
stable wigeon
Actualy a wheel in Theatre makes no sense
this is what im talking about
also in cave
astral frost
Oh now I got it
stable wigeon
