#🤔｜theories | Rusty Lake | Page 80

kind glen Jul 15, 2019, 4:37 PM

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Theres a lot to unpack in paradox I gotta play it again

wraith pecan Jul 15, 2019, 4:38 PM

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true

dapper valley Jul 15, 2019, 4:38 PM

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Again, Grandpa looks a lot like human Mr. Crow

wraith pecan Jul 15, 2019, 4:38 PM

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maybe we can play together and cross refernce

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also we tend to focus on different parts

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if we can cross reference, a more concrete theory can be mafe

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made*

kind glen Jul 15, 2019, 4:40 PM

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Ok :-}does anybody know any good free streaming sites since rabbit and joinme are down?? That's what goatlemon and I used but :/it could be fun to have a streaming party

wraith pecan Jul 15, 2019, 4:41 PM

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actually discord support group chat monitor sharing but we need a link to that

dapper valley Jul 15, 2019, 4:42 PM

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you could also watch a playthrough

kind glen Jul 15, 2019, 4:42 PM

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Oh!! Nice ok. We can take our time w it too, should plan it in advance so more ppl can come anyway

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@dapper valley true but it would he MORE FUNNN

dapper valley Jul 15, 2019, 4:42 PM

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yeah true

wraith pecan Jul 15, 2019, 4:42 PM

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but only in computer as it is the only thing they support

dapper valley Jul 15, 2019, 4:42 PM

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I'd offer to but I only have the games on mobile

wraith pecan Jul 15, 2019, 4:43 PM

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I bought steam version cuz it is easier for me to buy steam games

dapper valley Jul 15, 2019, 4:43 PM

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there may be a way to project to a computer tho

wraith pecan Jul 15, 2019, 4:43 PM

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yeah

fiery dome Jul 15, 2019, 4:44 PM

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i could do it cause i have on my laptop

kind glen Jul 15, 2019, 4:48 PM

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Goatlemon is th best to play w trust me we will have a good time. Do u guys think we could advertise this in general?? And perhaps pick an date

wraith pecan Jul 15, 2019, 4:48 PM

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maybe

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that is a good idea but timezone hurts my soul

dapper valley Jul 15, 2019, 4:49 PM

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What time is it for you guys rn

fiery dome Jul 15, 2019, 4:49 PM

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oh yea thats true :/ but we could still organize it to be at an ok time if enough ppl r interested

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12:49pm

wraith pecan Jul 15, 2019, 4:49 PM

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12:49 too

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but am

manic glade Jul 15, 2019, 4:50 PM

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I would definitely organize it in #🩸｜general-chat though

wraith pecan Jul 15, 2019, 4:50 PM

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yeah dead inside

fiery dome Jul 15, 2019, 4:50 PM

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oh tru

manic glade Jul 15, 2019, 4:50 PM

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Some people might have this muted to avoid spoilers or whatever

dapper valley Jul 15, 2019, 4:50 PM

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But am

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Yikes

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It's 11:50 am for me rn

wraith pecan Jul 15, 2019, 4:50 PM

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we are close eevee

dapper valley Jul 15, 2019, 4:51 PM

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?

manic glade Jul 15, 2019, 4:51 PM

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No you are very far apart 😛

spice frigate Jul 15, 2019, 4:51 PM

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It's 6:50 PM for me

dapper valley Jul 15, 2019, 4:51 PM

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It's past midnight for you there

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It's almost noon here

wraith pecan Jul 15, 2019, 4:51 PM

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oh wait

fiery dome Jul 15, 2019, 4:51 PM

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so we are close eevee

wraith pecan Jul 15, 2019, 4:51 PM

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lol I forgot

spice frigate Jul 15, 2019, 4:51 PM

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but also, could we take this timezone talk to #🛖｜the-cabin ?

dapper valley Jul 15, 2019, 4:51 PM

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Time is a real heck

fiery dome Jul 15, 2019, 4:51 PM

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of course

dapper valley Jul 15, 2019, 4:51 PM

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Yea planning should go there

wraith pecan Jul 15, 2019, 4:51 PM

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sure

dapper valley Jul 15, 2019, 4:51 PM

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In the meantime

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Any of y'all got more theories?

wraith pecan Jul 15, 2019, 4:52 PM

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atm no

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need to replay to find more

kind glen Jul 15, 2019, 4:52 PM

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Always yes but I cant discuss rn

dapper valley Jul 15, 2019, 4:52 PM

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I just got all the extra achievements in Paradox so

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I think I've seen it all lol

wraith pecan Jul 15, 2019, 4:53 PM

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@dapper valley all achievements got too

dapper valley Jul 15, 2019, 4:55 PM

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The golden cube ending was p underwhelming

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But what does it mean

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Why did Mr. Bat get it

wraith pecan Jul 15, 2019, 4:55 PM

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bat appeared in cave hotel and paradox

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I think that bat is related too

dapper valley Jul 15, 2019, 4:56 PM

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Yeah it's def the same bat

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But what is he doing with it

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Oh frick

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Is the bat immortal too

wraith pecan Jul 15, 2019, 4:56 PM

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yep

dapper valley Jul 15, 2019, 4:57 PM

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Hmmmmmm

wraith pecan Jul 15, 2019, 4:57 PM

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actually with dicussion we find a lot of missed details

manic glade Jul 15, 2019, 5:40 PM

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@loud rover hard to say, at points in the games it's Mr. Crow, but it isn't always

loud rover Jul 15, 2019, 7:10 PM

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Actually, that reminds me.

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So, if Dale is the new lake keeper

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What's his animal form thing?

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~~If it's a fish, istg.~~

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Or is he the new Mr. Owl??

kind glen Jul 15, 2019, 7:11 PM

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That's also plausible!! It's the animal dale is most connected w, and also like in paradise before jakob ascended, owls were a threatening symbol

vague imp Jul 15, 2019, 7:12 PM

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cat?

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I mean..we have seen cats ingame alot near Dale i think?

loud rover Jul 15, 2019, 7:12 PM

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Cats and fish

kind glen Jul 15, 2019, 7:12 PM

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Ohh also a good one. Esp since all the other ascended are birds or mammals, we haven't seen any other fish or kinds of reptiles

loud rover Jul 15, 2019, 7:12 PM

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Actually, I like that

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Cat.

kind glen Jul 15, 2019, 7:14 PM

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Those are really the only 2 options that make sense so far

grizzled horizon Jul 15, 2019, 11:57 PM

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So y'know how the Eilander family mirrors the guests in Hotel

loud rover Jul 15, 2019, 11:57 PM

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Yeah?

grizzled horizon Jul 15, 2019, 11:58 PM

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what if that was partially Jakob Eilander's revenge on his family

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Like blah blah blah feeding the Lake, but also there's a very personal aspect to it all

loud rover Jul 16, 2019, 12:00 AM

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Oh, I thought that was one of the main things that provoked it.

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The revenge.

grizzled horizon Jul 16, 2019, 12:01 AM

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Yeah

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I guess I was a little slow on the uptake lol

dapper valley Jul 16, 2019, 3:44 AM

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What would imply it's for revenge?

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I probably missed something

loud rover Jul 16, 2019, 3:45 AM

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Well, it's strange that it's entirely just the family in those entirely, rather than just with a couple other guest.

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That hotel looks big enough to accommodate for more than those people.

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Mr. Owl also kept all their skulls.

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A bit strange, unnecessary, if they were nothing but feed for the lake.

dapper valley Jul 16, 2019, 3:49 AM

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ah true

wraith pecan Jul 16, 2019, 5:16 AM

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well true

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but why mr owl have to keep their skull?

loud rover Jul 16, 2019, 5:17 AM

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Memento of the occasion.

wraith pecan Jul 16, 2019, 5:17 AM

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same purpose of keeping his mother skull in first place?

dapper valley Jul 16, 2019, 5:17 AM

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on a side note

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were the guests aware they were eating each other?

loud rover Jul 16, 2019, 5:18 AM

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I honestly have no idea.

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They were idiots, that's for sure.

wraith pecan Jul 16, 2019, 5:18 AM

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maybe aware

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cuz their notice reduce of people

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may

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but not a must

dapper valley Jul 16, 2019, 5:18 AM

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huh, another guest mysteriously disappeared last night. oh look, we're having steak for dinner!

wraith pecan Jul 16, 2019, 5:19 AM

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you said mr deer disappear?
oh look dinner what is it? deer steak? nice
unaware of the coincidence of deer disappearing and deer steak appearing

dapper valley Jul 16, 2019, 5:21 AM

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do deer eat meat irl?

wraith pecan Jul 16, 2019, 5:21 AM

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except for rabbit and pigeon, I think the other eat both meat and grass

manic glade Jul 16, 2019, 5:21 AM

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Let's not forget too that several of the characters seem to welcome death, if they're not actually the ones who kill themselves

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So perhaps they do know that they're eating each other but don't...really care

wraith pecan Jul 16, 2019, 5:23 AM

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well at least the pheasant is commited suicide

manic glade Jul 16, 2019, 5:23 AM

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Mr. Dear shot himself

wraith pecan Jul 16, 2019, 5:23 AM

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maybe she knows and welcomes death

manic glade Jul 16, 2019, 5:24 AM

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No, drank poison

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Sorry

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Brain fart 😛

wraith pecan Jul 16, 2019, 5:24 AM

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it is pheasantshot herself

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maybe deer don't know it is poisonous

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rabbit is too confident of his magic skill

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pigeon is too relax

dapper valley Jul 16, 2019, 5:25 AM

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ms. pigeon had an electrical device way too close to the bathtub

wraith pecan Jul 16, 2019, 5:25 AM

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boar is too ruthless

dapper valley Jul 16, 2019, 5:25 AM

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and doesn't care that there is a literal ax in his room

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or the fact he's eating his own poop

wraith pecan Jul 16, 2019, 5:25 AM

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but wait

manic glade Jul 16, 2019, 5:25 AM

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I mean, it's hard to say for sure. But Deer was sitting right there, in theory he would see exactly what you're doing

wraith pecan Jul 16, 2019, 5:25 AM

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pigeon has her childern lock in a box

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what does that mean

dapper valley Jul 16, 2019, 5:26 AM

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she's a mad scientist

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it's not necessarily her child

wraith pecan Jul 16, 2019, 5:26 AM

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but connect that to the eilanders

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they tried to sacrifice child

dapper valley Jul 16, 2019, 5:26 AM

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I mean it doesn't really look like a pigeon to me

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but then again

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it prob doesn't have to be?

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Ms. Pigeon was conducting research on cubes

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Mr. Deer had plans to investigate the lake

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the others just seem to be dealing with their own things

wraith pecan Jul 16, 2019, 5:27 AM

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well the bady version of pigeon is exactly like the one in the electric box

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they have their readon to stay and owl has the reason to let them do so

dapper valley Jul 16, 2019, 5:28 AM

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apparently all the guests are staying for mental health reasons

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At least, the letter to Mr. Boar implies that

wraith pecan Jul 16, 2019, 5:29 AM

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actually connect to the 7 sins may work?

dapper valley Jul 16, 2019, 5:29 AM

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there's 5 of them

wraith pecan Jul 16, 2019, 5:29 AM

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owl+crow+5

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but wait

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Harvey and bat

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there's more than that

dapper valley Jul 16, 2019, 5:29 AM

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yeah

wraith pecan Jul 16, 2019, 5:29 AM

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sorry scrap that

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but boar is actually suffering from eternal hunger

dapper valley Jul 16, 2019, 5:30 AM

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that reminds me

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who was the bat
and the frog

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and Harvey

manic glade Jul 16, 2019, 5:30 AM

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Great questions

wraith pecan Jul 16, 2019, 5:30 AM

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Harvry is everyone

dapper valley Jul 16, 2019, 5:30 AM

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I mean Harvey is just Harvey I guess

manic glade Jul 16, 2019, 5:31 AM

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Harvey we see a lot, certainly

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The Bat comes up a few times

wraith pecan Jul 16, 2019, 5:31 AM

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Harvey might really be the bridge of all family and people

dapper valley Jul 16, 2019, 5:31 AM

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there's no Harvey emote angery

manic glade Jul 16, 2019, 5:31 AM

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I don't think we ever see the Frog aside from that

wraith pecan Jul 16, 2019, 5:31 AM

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Bat appearance: cave, hotel, paradox

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it's a toad tbh

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not frog

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the colour is much deeper

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and duller

dapper valley Jul 16, 2019, 5:32 AM

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damn

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could've made a connection to the frog plague

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but probably not

wraith pecan Jul 16, 2019, 5:32 AM

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no

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it is toad not frog

dapper valley Jul 16, 2019, 5:32 AM

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hm

wraith pecan Jul 16, 2019, 5:33 AM

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but the cow can be a connection

manic glade Jul 16, 2019, 5:33 AM

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Either way it's a Chef and I don't think we ever see it again 😛

dapper valley Jul 16, 2019, 5:33 AM

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or do we

manic glade Jul 16, 2019, 5:33 AM

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I don't know, do we?

wraith pecan Jul 16, 2019, 5:33 AM

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maybe the hotel is the storage of cubes

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or else why would the hotel elevator appear in paradox and get Dale to go

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and also in other cube escape episode

manic glade Jul 16, 2019, 5:34 AM

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So where would the cubes go before the Hotel existed?

wraith pecan Jul 16, 2019, 5:34 AM

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also we still can't get to level -1

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maybe secret will reveal when we can go there

dapper valley Jul 16, 2019, 5:35 AM

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level -1 might be the paradox room

wraith pecan Jul 16, 2019, 5:35 AM

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no

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don't think so

dapper valley Jul 16, 2019, 5:35 AM

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either way it's prob an entry to the lake

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wait

manic glade Jul 16, 2019, 5:36 AM

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I like the theory that Paradox is all in Dale's mind as he's sitting in the machine at the bottom of the lake

dapper valley Jul 16, 2019, 5:36 AM

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i think it's where caroline wrote the formula for making the elixir

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because you go underground at the end of paradise

wraith pecan Jul 16, 2019, 5:37 AM

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but they are too far apart

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to be at the same space

manic glade Jul 16, 2019, 5:37 AM

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What are?

wraith pecan Jul 16, 2019, 5:37 AM

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paradise island and the hotel

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the location is too far away

manic glade Jul 16, 2019, 5:37 AM

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....the Hotel is built on Paradise island

dapper valley Jul 16, 2019, 5:37 AM

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they're the same

wraith pecan Jul 16, 2019, 5:37 AM

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wait what really?

manic glade Jul 16, 2019, 5:37 AM

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Yup

wraith pecan Jul 16, 2019, 5:37 AM

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damn this is it

manic glade Jul 16, 2019, 5:37 AM

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You see it at the end of Paradise

dapper valley Jul 16, 2019, 5:37 AM

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ye

wraith pecan Jul 16, 2019, 5:38 AM

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the underground is the exlir

manic glade Jul 16, 2019, 5:38 AM

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Besides, don't forget we first see the Elevator take Dale out of the Cabin at the end of Case 23

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So it does seem to be....a bit different

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Than a normal elevator

wraith pecan Jul 16, 2019, 5:39 AM

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you see while the elevator is moving

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the surrounded space is chaos like area with cubes floating

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thats the strange part of the elevator thing

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what is that part of space

dapper valley Jul 16, 2019, 5:40 AM

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the lake
where the forest is

manic glade Jul 16, 2019, 5:40 AM

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Some...magical part of the lake

wraith pecan Jul 16, 2019, 5:42 AM

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the underground is -1, and then the lake is between -1 and 0

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and the cubes are floating inside

dapper valley Jul 16, 2019, 5:42 AM

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The forest is at the bottom of the lake
obviously cubes are in the lake

wraith pecan Jul 16, 2019, 5:42 AM

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and dale is experiencing the whole trip while in the lake

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inside

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wait does that means that Harvey's cube was thrown into the lake😱

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I am now so confused

manic glade Jul 16, 2019, 5:52 AM

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😛

wraith pecan Jul 16, 2019, 5:55 AM

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new possible theory

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I call that Schodingers status

dapper valley Jul 16, 2019, 5:56 AM

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thonker

wraith pecan Jul 16, 2019, 7:13 AM

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all lives are between the paradox of schrodinger's cat. but they will only know when the result reveals

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and Dale is the observer, he decided whether to reveal or not, deciding everyone's.fate

wraith pecan Jul 16, 2019, 1:44 PM

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the coat!

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we all missed the coat

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he could not see Laura until he wears the coat!

north pasture Jul 16, 2019, 5:03 PM

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wait WHAT

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there’s so much happening in this chat ,,,

vague imp Jul 16, 2019, 5:04 PM

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i think they mean the coat in paradox since Dale is missing it once the game starts?

wraith pecan Jul 16, 2019, 5:11 PM

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yes!

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the coat that Dale missed

grizzled horizon Jul 16, 2019, 8:45 PM

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"Dale is Schrödinger's cat" is actually genius

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The more I think about Dale being Mr. Cat the more it makes sense

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I thought he'd have some connection to Harvey but the cat thing feels much more plausible

north pasture Jul 17, 2019, 3:09 AM

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OH I JUST PUT THE CAT THING TOGETHER

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📎 image0.jpg

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oh

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oh wait I didn’t reALIZE YALL MENT T H E MR CAT

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THAT MAKES EVEN MORE SENSE

wraith pecan Jul 17, 2019, 3:14 AM

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using Cat to represent schrodingers cat fits perfectly

wraith pecan Jul 20, 2019, 10:23 AM

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why Harvey turned from an animal-headed person into an ordinary parrot

vague imp Jul 20, 2019, 10:24 AM

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i think they all can shapeshift after all we saw the same easter egg with Mr.Boar in game

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he was a animal at first then more human like

wraith pecan Jul 20, 2019, 10:26 AM

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you mean the easter egg at paradise?

vague imp Jul 20, 2019, 10:26 AM

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yeah, im sure it was a hint thrown right into our faces that they can shapeshift n all that jazz

wraith pecan Jul 20, 2019, 10:28 AM

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How about the Eilanders? they wear the mask of the five animals.

vague imp Jul 20, 2019, 10:29 AM

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Well thats hard to say sure most of them could be the animals from RL:Hotel "could be" except for David since Mr.Rabbit is a brown rabbit but David is a white rabbit ((apparently he also killed Dales family))

wraith pecan Jul 20, 2019, 10:31 AM

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yeah I think so, the corrupted soul showed something

vague imp Jul 20, 2019, 10:31 AM

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Yeah but hey thats just my theory who knows what Robin n Marteen have planned..XD

wraith pecan Jul 20, 2019, 10:34 AM

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damn they planned so much thingsXD

vague imp Jul 20, 2019, 10:35 AM

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Indeed they do.

wraith pecan Jul 20, 2019, 10:36 AM

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I have to see the movie sometimes

wraith pecan Jul 20, 2019, 6:25 PM

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What is in the green vial

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what substance is that green liquid

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same question for red and blue

grizzled horizon Jul 20, 2019, 6:27 PM

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Red: passivity, the choice to be a bystander, ignorance is bliss

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Blue: demanding answers, even if you know you won't like the truth

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Green: when you are presented with two choices, there's always a third option

wraith pecan Jul 20, 2019, 6:30 PM

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(Dale voice in Paradox short) might as well mix three together and drink them at once

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Paradox? might as well make it more paradoxal

dapper valley Jul 20, 2019, 8:50 PM

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I think there'd be some major consequences doing that lol

spice frigate Jul 20, 2019, 8:50 PM

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you'd spit out keys whenever you see or hear a crow

dapper valley Jul 21, 2019, 6:43 PM

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So I replayed case 23 recently

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remember the part where corrupted bob hangs the policeman and then escapes?

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ya think he did it himself or was the policeman somehow forced to hang himself?

grizzled horizon Jul 21, 2019, 11:03 PM

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I have no clue tbh

kind glen Jul 22, 2019, 8:46 PM

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@dapper valley I interpreted it as corrupted Bob's actions wo thinking too much abt it, but it may be deliberately vague to mimic Laura's case, where nobody knows if its murder or suicide

dapper valley Jul 22, 2019, 10:04 PM

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Tru

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I wonder how the hell he broke out

grizzled horizon Jul 22, 2019, 11:12 PM

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Corrupted soul powers or something

tame sage Jul 30, 2019, 5:29 AM

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That might be a valid one - considering we HAVE seen corrupted souls break out and such? I

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... think. Thank you, enter key.

rugged cave Aug 14, 2019, 4:14 AM

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What the flying fuck

manic glade Aug 14, 2019, 4:14 AM

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<@&358613639554400258>

bold owl Aug 14, 2019, 4:15 AM

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Thanks @manic glade

manic glade Aug 14, 2019, 4:15 AM

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👍🏻

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Strange

reef eagle Aug 14, 2019, 4:25 AM

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huh

vague spruce Aug 18, 2019, 11:25 PM

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i've read many theories that interweave the plots and characters of rusty lake, but i'm curious...

what do you guys think is the connection between the lake, the memory cubes (why the lake wants them), and characters like Mr. Owl?

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(i understand more of the character and reincarnation side of it though, i'm wondering more about the actual lake)

reef eagle Aug 18, 2019, 11:26 PM

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the cubes power the lake and owl and crow are the current dudes but they gotta change every few years bc reincarnation as a furry can only last so long

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ajahajajagahaga

vague spruce Aug 18, 2019, 11:27 PM

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hahaha yes

edgy garden Aug 22, 2019, 3:43 PM

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HEy

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📎 20190823_003304.png

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Maybe?? she could be Harvey.🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

Every trailer's narration voice belongs to Mr. Owl and Mr. Crow. Harvey can also take the narration with her voice.
Mr. Crow pretended to be Dale's grandfather in his memory- in his own face. So Harvey can also act like someone in Robert's mind.
In The Theater, we can see Harvey's hand- she has dark skin and white nails. The woman from The White door has dark skin and white fingernails.

stark rune Aug 22, 2019, 3:51 PM

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OH

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Nice points I-

wintry scarab Aug 22, 2019, 4:07 PM

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Where is the picture of her in that outfit from?

vague imp Aug 22, 2019, 4:09 PM

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the new trailer check it out in #the-white-door

bold owl Aug 22, 2019, 4:10 PM

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"new"

vague imp Aug 22, 2019, 4:11 PM

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its new in their case, bcs well they havent seen it.

spice frigate Aug 22, 2019, 4:12 PM

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I think they meant the Harvey outfit one, it was "Altered" (I think that's way to say it) by Rusty Mint

wintry scarab Aug 22, 2019, 4:15 PM

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Yes, that's what I meant, so it's just an edit, okay ^^

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Very nice theory though!

reef eagle Aug 23, 2019, 12:33 AM

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rbh ive always thot harvey was a girl ?? so this makes major sense and maybe this was her before she ended up with the gang

dapper valley Aug 23, 2019, 3:04 AM

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~~harvey ain't no thot~~ in hotel harvey is apparently male but other than that yes she's female

reef eagle Aug 23, 2019, 3:05 AM

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~~Hahaha.~~ owo

vale hatch Aug 24, 2019, 1:42 PM

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she can lay eggs in season

grizzled horizon Aug 24, 2019, 5:55 PM

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Here's a question for ya tho:

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When, in game, was Harvey ever referred to as "he"

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Bc if not, it could be that Harvey was female all along & just liked to wear suits

spice frigate Aug 24, 2019, 5:57 PM

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Well, Harvey never was called either "he" or "she" from far as I know
In Theatre, they used word "Parrot", which sets on "it"

vague imp Aug 24, 2019, 5:57 PM

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There could be two Harveys also

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but who cares really its a parrot, so it doesn't really matter he/she/it Harvey could be anything.

ancient blade Aug 24, 2019, 7:46 PM

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How did the 'Albert is one meter tall' theory fare?

grizzled horizon Aug 24, 2019, 7:55 PM

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That's like ~3 feet right

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~~albert is a manlet~~

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He's kind of an incel tho?

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He got jealous over his brother marrying Ida so he killed them both & then harvested one of Ida's eggs

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Like that's not exactly chad behavior

dapper valley Aug 24, 2019, 8:01 PM

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blobthinkingeyes

vague spruce Aug 24, 2019, 8:33 PM

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"not exactly chad behavior" lmaoooo

reef eagle Aug 24, 2019, 11:42 PM

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Incel

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that man ? A full blown incel. n odenial

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~~nsadlyisstillmyfavoritecharacter~~

vague imp Aug 24, 2019, 11:46 PM

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Oh shit pls not here at least

vocal hull Aug 25, 2019, 10:08 PM

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Random question: How did Laura take Harvey hostage in The Mill if she killed her in Fall 1971?

reef eagle Aug 25, 2019, 10:09 PM

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an intended inconsistency?

manic glade Aug 25, 2019, 10:15 PM

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I personally believe seasons is a metaphorical depiction of Laura’s life from her perspective as she tries to cleanse her memories and not every event that occurs literally happened in “real life.”

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Also Harvey is a magic bird with all kinds of things going on, who knows how permanent death is for a magic parrot 🤷🏻‍♂️

reef eagle Aug 25, 2019, 10:16 PM

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Hm true 🤔

dapper valley Aug 26, 2019, 12:46 AM

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@vocal hull also mind you there are very likely multiple timelines throughout the whole series
for one thing laura changed her past in seasons, so in that timeline she didn't kill harvey

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dale changed his past so that mr. rabbit died instead of his family, though we have yet to see the full extent of the consequences

thorn copper Aug 26, 2019, 5:55 PM

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I sometimes think that Dale didn't change the past (Birthday), he just got to re-live it. Especially since Mr Crow was there as his grandfather when he actually wasn't (or maybe he is his grandad? HMHMHMHM). I'm not sure how this would add anything up to the Rusty Lake story but it's just a thought that went through my mind.

grizzled horizon Aug 26, 2019, 6:27 PM

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Huh

reef eagle Aug 26, 2019, 10:18 PM

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He just had a meta therapy session

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Dhshfjd

dapper valley Aug 26, 2019, 10:27 PM

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"Mr Crow, how can I deal with my childhood traumas?"
"Hand me that pistol over there and watch"

reef eagle Aug 26, 2019, 10:30 PM

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accurate

thorn copper Aug 26, 2019, 10:31 PM

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Exactly

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Dale gives his therapy session a 10/10. Would recommend.

spice frigate Aug 26, 2019, 10:33 PM

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this should really go to #🦞｜rusty-memes

dapper valley Aug 26, 2019, 11:06 PM

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that reminds me

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what do y'all think the elevator represents

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we know physically it goes up to the hotel from the bottom of the lake but Dale sees several memories in cubes during the trip

manic glade Aug 26, 2019, 11:08 PM

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I think that's what it does: bring people through the lake and then the lake does things to their memories

north pasture Aug 31, 2019, 4:19 PM

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ok so if Harvey is a girl, why’s her name Harvey? Was she thought to be a boy and then discovered to be a girl?

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Or, if Harvey was a Human, was her last name Harvey?

dapper valley Aug 31, 2019, 5:23 PM

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harvey sounds like a gender neutral name to me

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idk it just feels fitting on a girl imo

reef eagle Sep 1, 2019, 12:18 AM

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its a gender neutral name tbh

north pasture Sep 1, 2019, 4:53 AM

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wait is it really???

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I’ve only ever heard it used as a masculine name, huh

dapper valley Sep 1, 2019, 6:29 AM

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Most folks say it's a masculine name

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But idk it sounds p gender neutral to me

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Maybe it is but it leans more towards masculine usage

vague imp Sep 1, 2019, 9:53 AM

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but anyways the closest irl parrot pic [i found] that looks the least close to Harvey is this:

📎 220px-Brown-headed_Parrot_28Poicephalus_cryptoxanthus29_281168886959329.png

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Brown-headed parrot btw

vale hatch Sep 1, 2019, 9:54 AM

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cute

vague imp Sep 1, 2019, 9:57 AM

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although i guess she could also be parakeet:

📎 640-1200-185116796-green-parakeet-parrots.png

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Birds must first reach maturity before this method of gender identification is applicable, according to Pet Informed. However, between 8 and 12 months of age, the band of raised skin across the top of a parakeet's beak (called the cere) takes on a gender-specific color. Males take on a bright blue or rich violet while females take on a variation of brown, anywhere from a rich brown resembling that of oiled leather to a light tan. In some rare instances, a female's cere will turn a very pale blue with a whitish tint. This bluish tint will dramatically lighter than that of a male, making sex determination visually obvious. The same sex hormone responsible for cere color causes color variation on the legs: males have blue legs; females have brown legs, sometimes with a pinkish tint.
[[so yes Harvey is just a baby apparently?]]

reef eagle Sep 1, 2019, 10:04 AM

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oooh

vale hatch Sep 1, 2019, 10:09 AM

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their beak and legs are black. maybe not base on any real parrot?

📎 harvey.jpg

vague imp Sep 1, 2019, 10:10 AM

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Possibly not or maybe Harveys parents were crossbreed so she/he/whatever got genes from both parents

vale hatch Sep 1, 2019, 10:13 AM

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their gender being mysterious coz in RL most character got a specific title...like Mr. Owl. Mr. Crow...but Harvey is just....Harvey

reef eagle Sep 1, 2019, 10:13 AM

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Harvey

vague imp Sep 1, 2019, 10:14 AM

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Ye, but well i am thinking the white door will finally give us an answer maybe

vale hatch Sep 1, 2019, 10:16 AM

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I can't wait till like....Oct? Nov?

vague imp Sep 1, 2019, 10:16 AM

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somewhere in fall

vale hatch Sep 1, 2019, 10:17 AM

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the first mystery to solve in white door.

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Which MONTH is fall?

vague imp Sep 1, 2019, 10:18 AM

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depends where you live tbh

thorn copper Sep 1, 2019, 1:17 PM

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I'd say Harvey is the Grey parrot

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📎 Screenshot_20190901-151659_YouTube.jpg

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^ Case 23

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But it doesnt have the green feathers..

vague imp Sep 1, 2019, 1:20 PM

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thats i dont think thats supposed to be Harvey

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its just a random drawing of a parrot..

thorn copper Sep 1, 2019, 1:21 PM

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Yeah probably

vale hatch Sep 1, 2019, 1:21 PM

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but its a nice pic

thorn copper Sep 1, 2019, 1:22 PM

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Indeed.

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Although I dont know if Rusty Lake would put a picture of a random parrot species. Plus its in Laura's house and if she had a picture of a parrot species I think it would make sense that it is Harvey's species. But it still doesnt have the green feathers.

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📎 Screenshot_20190901-152508_Google.jpg

vague imp Sep 1, 2019, 1:25 PM

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I think its just there for puzzle reasons, ngl these types of parrots arent green

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obviously..considering their name

spice frigate Sep 1, 2019, 1:26 PM

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what about harvey in the movie?

thorn copper Sep 1, 2019, 1:26 PM

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OH I forgot about that one

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Ohmy

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📎 Screenshot_20190901-152724_YouTube.jpg

vague imp Sep 1, 2019, 1:27 PM

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it is a grey parrot but again

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Shes grey and green in the games

thorn copper Sep 1, 2019, 1:28 PM

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It's confusing

vague imp Sep 1, 2019, 1:28 PM

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i assume shes like this in the movie bcs theres no grey/green parrots irl

spice frigate Sep 1, 2019, 1:28 PM

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maybe, because there is not a grey/green parrot irl
but using a really closley resembling, grey parrot

thorn copper Sep 1, 2019, 1:28 PM

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Harvey's species is Harvey. Family:Rustylakeidae

vague imp Sep 1, 2019, 1:29 PM

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or well there are but a psittacus isnt

spice frigate Sep 1, 2019, 1:29 PM

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also, parakeets aren't actually small?

vague imp Sep 1, 2019, 1:29 PM

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they are

spice frigate Sep 1, 2019, 1:29 PM

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yeah, so it won't fit Harvey which is like... a big type of parrot

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she might be also a cross-breed too, who knows

vague imp Sep 1, 2019, 1:30 PM

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260 g for an adult parakeet

thorn copper Sep 1, 2019, 1:30 PM

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Oh yeah thats possible too

vague imp Sep 1, 2019, 1:30 PM

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but yeah the mixed breed is the only way to go about it imho

thorn copper Sep 1, 2019, 1:32 PM

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There's this one but still no green

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📎 Screenshot_20190901-153159_Google.jpg

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This one doesnt have the red tail

bold owl Sep 1, 2019, 1:32 PM

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Harvey is nonbinary

vague imp Sep 1, 2019, 1:33 PM

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this is giving me a headache..XD

bold owl Sep 1, 2019, 1:33 PM

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This post brought to you by LGBTQ gang

vague imp Sep 1, 2019, 1:33 PM

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not the gender debate but the breed debate

bold owl Sep 1, 2019, 1:33 PM

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Oh I arrived late

thorn copper Sep 1, 2019, 1:33 PM

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Harvey's species is Harvey. Period.

vague imp Sep 1, 2019, 1:33 PM

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its fine Lucid no worries

spice frigate Sep 1, 2019, 1:34 PM

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Hold it!
sorry to meme it here, but - Petition for Harvey's own species

thorn copper Sep 1, 2019, 1:35 PM

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Y e s

vale hatch Sep 1, 2019, 1:39 PM

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your pronoun?
Harvey.

unkempt galleon Sep 1, 2019, 1:40 PM

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your name?
Harvey.

thorn copper Sep 1, 2019, 1:40 PM

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Species: Harvey
Gender: Harvey
Sex: Harvey
Pronouns: Harvey/parrot
Name:Harvey

unkempt galleon Sep 1, 2019, 1:40 PM

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wow cool passport Harvey

vale hatch Sep 1, 2019, 1:40 PM

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occupation: Harvey

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😂

bold owl Sep 1, 2019, 1:40 PM

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That's also accurate and I hate it

spice frigate Sep 1, 2019, 1:41 PM

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this should go to #🦞｜rusty-memes

thorn copper Sep 1, 2019, 1:41 PM

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Oh sorry I forgot in which channel I was for a sec

vale hatch Sep 1, 2019, 1:42 PM

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i ask the question of Harvey ‘s gender out of curiosity, nothing serious.

unkempt galleon Sep 1, 2019, 1:42 PM

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is harvey not a male name?

vale hatch Sep 1, 2019, 1:43 PM

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yup. but what confuse me is if he is male he lay eggs

bold owl Sep 1, 2019, 1:45 PM

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I mean

unkempt galleon Sep 1, 2019, 1:45 PM

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Genetic experiment gone wrong

bold owl Sep 1, 2019, 1:45 PM

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Homegirl hot preggo from some flowers

unkempt galleon Sep 1, 2019, 1:45 PM

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lmao true

bold owl Sep 1, 2019, 1:46 PM

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Ya boy Alberrrrto made a baby with water, egg and some man juice, so

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I wouldn't be surprised if Harvey is actually me

unkempt galleon Sep 1, 2019, 1:46 PM

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fucking GENIUS

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please dont kill me

vague imp Sep 1, 2019, 1:47 PM

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jokes on you im already dead

unkempt galleon Sep 1, 2019, 1:48 PM

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nice

scenic venture Sep 11, 2019, 5:19 AM

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hi im new here i just had a quick theory:

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I don't know if I'm late on this one, but this seemed pretty cool. Okay so obviously the series takes some inspiration from Hinduism and Buddhism, with samsara being a theme and sanskrit appearing often. While I was doing some reading for a class and I found that some Buddhists believe that there are 6 realms: gods, demi-gods, humans, animals, hungry ghosts (!!), and hells. This explains why Crow and Owl were reborn as animals when they were originally human, as you get reborn into a different realm based on your karma. Also, corrupted souls were referred to as hungry ghosts in Paradise (and maybe a different game as well?). Rusty Lake seems to be a place where the human, animal, and hungry ghost realms have somehow merged??

grizzled horizon Sep 11, 2019, 5:20 AM

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brain

scenic venture Sep 11, 2019, 5:20 AM

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i posted this to fandom and someone said that mr crow and mr owl are actually demi gods and the fish are the animals? can someone confirm??

reef eagle Sep 11, 2019, 5:20 AM

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brain

grizzled horizon Sep 11, 2019, 5:20 AM

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That's good thinking

reef eagle Sep 11, 2019, 5:20 AM

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I think that interpretation makes sense (the demigods one)

grizzled horizon Sep 11, 2019, 5:20 AM

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Yeah

scenic venture Sep 11, 2019, 5:21 AM

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🙂

tribal vapor Sep 11, 2019, 8:26 AM

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In Hinduism, crows represent our dead ancestors

reef eagle Sep 11, 2019, 8:41 AM

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Ooh

weak patrol Sep 11, 2019, 11:04 AM

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I guess that's the theme
It's in theatre when we gotta arrange the mill
The cave got the thing in one of the spotlights
Paradise got a different one
Paradox looks like the same thing in Paradise

tribal vapor Sep 11, 2019, 11:52 AM

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Even the Sanskrit words add context.
देव - Dev - means divine or God
मानुष - Manush, means Man
प्रेत - Pret - means ghost
असुर - Asur - means demon

scenic venture Sep 12, 2019, 6:06 AM

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oh and the mill in theatre probably represents the wheel of dharma then!

dapper valley Sep 12, 2019, 6:41 AM

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i wonder what each of those words are supposed to represent

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the hungry ghosts are the corrupted souls
the animals are, well, animals
humans are humans
demi-gods are likely the animal-human hybrids like mr. crow

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who would be in the god realm?

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what would dale fall under?

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i wonder who could be in the demon/hell realm

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~~albert probably~~

tribal vapor Sep 12, 2019, 2:27 PM

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I think corrupt souls are demons. Laura is a ghost. Animals represent divinity and man is man.

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Mr. Crow, to me, represents the bridge between life and the afterlife. Also going by what crow signifies in Hinduism. Doves, rabbits, deer etc hold no significance in Hinduism, so no clue what those represent, although it’s probably the same thing - an animal spirit bridges you to the afterworld, where Prince sings “Let’s go crazy”.

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And I’m sure doves cry in the afterlife....

scenic venture Sep 13, 2019, 12:28 AM

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So based on the sanskrit in theatre, then, crow and owl are definitely demigods and probably the other animals from hotel before they became corrupted

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another (more outlandish) theatre theory: i think that elizabeth, william, and laura are all past lives of ms pheasant.. So in theatre when she says "balance the substances of my past lives," there is a fetus, shell, heart, and her lady of the lake hat. The hat is obviously her pheasant life, the heart could be william because his heart was one of the sacrifices, the fetus is laura because she was reborn and, as we know, she is the reincarnation of william. We know that elizabeth is a past life of pheasant because of her mask, so maybe the shell is her because she lived on an island?

dapper valley Sep 13, 2019, 12:30 AM

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The shell just appears a lot in the series so who knows

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It's like the shrimp

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Also note that you can also find a fetus in Case 23

scenic venture Sep 13, 2019, 12:31 AM

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yeah i know but they probably have some sort of significance, especially with the past lives thing

dapper valley Sep 13, 2019, 12:33 AM

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Perhaps

frozen ocean Sep 14, 2019, 3:22 PM

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Here's another theory: all that has happened in the cube escape games and in the premium games are all part of an elaborate dream that Dale is having. Mr. Crow, Mr. Owl, Laura, and even Harvey are all characters in Dale's dream, or his escape from reality. And what makes this dreams unique is that Dale is consciously aware in the dream. He's not aware that he is dreaming, but instead believes that what he is seeing in the dream is reality and treats it as such, despite the abnormalityof everything around him. That is until paradox, where he wakes up in his dream confused and unaware of where he is. It as this point that his dream is nearing its end, but then things begin repeat and loop, and then his dream gets more realistic and then less realistic, giving a deja Vu vibe and to keep the dream going for as long as it can. This continues until Dale finally wakes up in his White Room, back to the boredom of his life. Back to reality. The reality where he isn't a detective and it was simply a way of him making his life interesting. The reality where Mr. Crow is just the Crow that pecks at his window wakes him up, where Mr. Owl is just the Owl that slowly lulls him to sleep at night, and where Laura is simply his lover that left to soon. All of this happens in his White Room in his hotel room. His room at Rusty Lake Hotel.

frozen ocean Sep 14, 2019, 4:18 PM

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Also in his dreams he is known as Detective Dale Vandermeer, but in reality he is Robert Hill

craggy panther Sep 15, 2019, 12:23 AM

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Wow, Dale is Bob!

tribal vapor Sep 16, 2019, 3:28 AM

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I like the dream theory!

dapper valley Sep 16, 2019, 4:29 AM

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Makes you wonder what this implies for Theater

tribal vapor Sep 18, 2019, 1:58 PM

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Ok now I’m reminded of this random band called Dream Theatre

vague imp Sep 25, 2019, 8:36 PM

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yeah but he still knew about it

manic glade Sep 25, 2019, 8:36 PM

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@spice frigate seemed to me they both worked on it together

vague imp Sep 25, 2019, 8:36 PM

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why would he say the line "you drink first brother"

manic glade Sep 25, 2019, 8:36 PM

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That was my impression, anyway

gleaming dragon Sep 25, 2019, 8:36 PM

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Maybe you can’t have worked on it in order for it to work?

vague imp Sep 25, 2019, 8:36 PM

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he likely knew the risks so he must have known about it

gleaming dragon Sep 25, 2019, 8:36 PM

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Like, it can’t be for a selfish reason.

manic glade Sep 25, 2019, 8:36 PM

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It does seem to work in pairs, one person lives forever and the other dies

vague imp Sep 25, 2019, 8:37 PM

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@spice frigate was that theory made by red

manic glade Sep 25, 2019, 8:37 PM

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But the reason as to why I don't think is clear yet

vague imp Sep 25, 2019, 8:37 PM

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The one about people who know about the elixir

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I have a question: Why Rose didn't give the elixir to Laura? I can't figure that out.

spice frigate Sep 25, 2019, 8:37 PM

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yup, he makes good theories, so I saw this as great example to give it out there too

vague imp Sep 25, 2019, 8:37 PM

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Because the elixir didnt exist anymore

manic glade Sep 25, 2019, 8:37 PM

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Rose may have not had the elixir

vague imp Sep 25, 2019, 8:38 PM

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nobody planned on making it ever again likely

manic glade Sep 25, 2019, 8:38 PM

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Not to mention why would she? If there was a good chance it would just kill her

vague imp Sep 25, 2019, 8:39 PM

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Yeah and then all of their hard work would go to waste..again

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Aldous and William worked on it. John died perfecting it, although it worked the dog.

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Whos John..XD?

manic glade Sep 25, 2019, 8:39 PM

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It worked on Aldous too

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(James)

vague imp Sep 25, 2019, 8:39 PM

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📎 image0.png

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oh pff i was confused for a sec that i forgot a character from Roots

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It didn't exist anymore?

gleaming dragon Sep 25, 2019, 8:40 PM

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Rose and Leonard is weird when you think about it they’re cousins and half siblings

vague imp Sep 25, 2019, 8:40 PM

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Yeah red is pretty knowledgeable

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Sorry, James.

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eh nothing weird about half siblings, i have many..

gleaming dragon Sep 25, 2019, 8:40 PM

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I’m gonna say this again: it might be about intention

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Like. The dog didn’t want to live forever

manic glade Sep 25, 2019, 8:41 PM

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Sure but Aldous did

vague imp Sep 25, 2019, 8:41 PM

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Half siblings isn’t weird it’s that they’re also cousins

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That’s creepy

gleaming dragon Sep 25, 2019, 8:41 PM

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I know that’s what I’m saying

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It’s weird that they’re both at once

vague imp Sep 25, 2019, 8:41 PM

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Well it's Rusty Lake...being honest thats the least strangest thing there..

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I have a theory

gleaming dragon Sep 25, 2019, 8:42 PM

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Honestly though that’s happened throughout history

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Is it bunnies?

vague imp Sep 25, 2019, 8:42 PM

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Harvey lays eggs because of the seeds

gleaming dragon Sep 25, 2019, 8:42 PM

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That’s another thing

vague imp Sep 25, 2019, 8:42 PM

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And harvey is male

gleaming dragon Sep 25, 2019, 8:42 PM

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Where the hell did Harvey come from

vague imp Sep 25, 2019, 8:42 PM

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Idk

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Just wanted to make a theory

gleaming dragon Sep 25, 2019, 8:42 PM

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And yeah male birds don’t lay eggs

vague imp Sep 25, 2019, 8:43 PM

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That’s the point

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He can lay eggs because of the seeds

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The ones he eats in theater

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And seasons and paradox

gleaming dragon Sep 25, 2019, 8:43 PM

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Huh

spice frigate Sep 25, 2019, 8:44 PM

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but then, in seasons there is little note saying "can I eat Harvey's egg?" which... kind of tells it cannot really be seeds imo

gleaming dragon Sep 25, 2019, 8:44 PM

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I need to replay the games in order

vague imp Sep 25, 2019, 8:44 PM

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Maybe..

manic glade Sep 25, 2019, 8:44 PM

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Why not? @spice frigate

vague imp Sep 25, 2019, 8:44 PM

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We don’t know for sure

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Harvey is a shapeshifter?

manic glade Sep 25, 2019, 8:44 PM

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Not that I'm disagreeing I just don't follow your logic

vague imp Sep 25, 2019, 8:44 PM

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so she/he/they can change gender at free will

gleaming dragon Sep 25, 2019, 8:44 PM

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Yeah but where’d he come from

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Oh sh*t priest that’s a good one

vague imp Sep 25, 2019, 8:44 PM

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Maybe Laura put that note because she knows that harvey is male and male parrots don’t lay eggs

gleaming dragon Sep 25, 2019, 8:45 PM

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A shapeshifter that got stuck as a bird for some reason

vague imp Sep 25, 2019, 8:45 PM

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There’s also a theory that it’s harvey’s special power to lay eggs

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ik it has 0 proof but we can see Harvey can transform into a bird like human [like mr.crow/mr.owl]

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Like how mr owl can summon a storm

gleaming dragon Sep 25, 2019, 8:45 PM

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I like the shapeshifter theory like it makes sense

vague imp Sep 25, 2019, 8:46 PM

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and a animal so..?maybe

manic glade Sep 25, 2019, 8:46 PM

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"what's your superpower?" "I can lay eggs!" "...oh"

vague imp Sep 25, 2019, 8:46 PM

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Enlightened characters can become animals

manic glade Sep 25, 2019, 8:46 PM

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Yeah Harvey seems to be older than every other character so far, so their past is still quite a mystery

vague imp Sep 25, 2019, 8:46 PM

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Mr deer’s soul became a deer in case 23

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And mr bat in cave

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again feel free to try and debunk it thats what this room is for, after all

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?

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i mean the shapeshifter theory

gleaming dragon Sep 25, 2019, 8:47 PM

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So do you think the hybrids can shapeshift into their animals or when they’re “cured” or something they become the animals? With the except of Mr. Owl and Crow.

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Exception*

vague imp Sep 25, 2019, 8:48 PM

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Yeah i think so, i mean it sorta fits in the canon if you get me?

gleaming dragon Sep 25, 2019, 8:48 PM

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That was an either or question lol

vague imp Sep 25, 2019, 8:49 PM

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I thought any enlightened character can shape shift

gleaming dragon Sep 25, 2019, 8:50 PM

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Are the hybrids all enlightened?

vague imp Sep 25, 2019, 8:50 PM

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Yeah i think the hybrids can shapeshift, into their animal/human like forms when they feel like it, but idk how i feel about the Mr.Owl becoming a fish in the future...?

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I’m not sure if it’s proof but before meeting mr crow in paradox there was a crow that led to him

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thats..sorta confusing...?

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I believe that crow is mr crow

gleaming dragon Sep 25, 2019, 8:50 PM

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I never heard the mr owl fish thing

vague imp Sep 25, 2019, 8:50 PM

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I know there isn’t proof and it’s speculation

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I think mr owl becoming a fish in the future is a symbol that means “one with the lake” or something

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Idk

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oh maybe ..intresting but Alright im gonna give Starry the chance to answer Tims question sorry lol i got too carried away

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Like you know after enlightenment the one will have to become one with the lake

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Oh ok

spice frigate Sep 25, 2019, 8:55 PM

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I know this may sound dum dum but
What if Harvey is named like that, because Laura thought it's Male? like... don't get me wrong but
making animal learn new name, when it was used to it is hard, and time consuming

and sorry, I was thinking of anything but just - I'm still on top that it's a female, well - opinons are opinons ^^'

vague imp Sep 25, 2019, 8:56 PM

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Idk why but I’m keen on believing that harvey is male lol

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Yeah thats fair, parrots genders are hard to tell and you can only tell by..hurting them per say

spice frigate Sep 25, 2019, 8:56 PM

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hurting or looking at their colors, but Idk if african grey parrots have well, different color kinds depending on gender

vague imp Sep 25, 2019, 8:56 PM

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Because we never see harvey laying an egg except when he eats the seed

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i mean you gotta rip out its feathers to find out in a 100% surefire way jfc..

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And I don’t think parrots randomly lay eggs

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So that’s that

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wait but what about in seasons?

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It means that harvey laying an egg is magical regardless of the gender

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What about seasons?

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she/he/it/they lays a egg there also no?[[Someone correct me if im wrong ]]

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Yes

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But he eats parrot food

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I have a theory that that parrot food was by johnson’s company that is the most famous company in rusty lake

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yeah but then how would we explain that...i mean ...are they seeds?or something else?

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And johnson has a farm full of the flowers we see in theatre

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It’s far fetched

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But that’s the best I have so far

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They are bird food

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And they appear like seeds

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So

spice frigate Sep 25, 2019, 9:01 PM

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Okay so from what I have re-searched (and it may be again be dum dum)
since I think the parrot that was in Paradox movie was actually African Grey Parrot, we can tell the gender from the feather coloration

Males are much darker, while females have lighter coloration

vague imp Sep 25, 2019, 9:02 PM

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So what did you find out?

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yeah but ...well yeah but isnt Harvey grey and green in the games?

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I’m pretty sure that’s the color pattern of african grey parrots

spice frigate Sep 25, 2019, 9:02 PM

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well, we can only closely determine from the film sadly, since the parrot in the games doesn't exist in real life

vague imp Sep 25, 2019, 9:03 PM

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(Harvey is male change my mind)

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(You can’t)

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well true...true

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What do you think about my theory about the johnson bird food company?

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uhhh...well we havent seen much of it except in paradox, so sorry but i cant comment although i have a theory that perhaps Bob works/worked there, so thats where Laura got the seeds in seasons...?

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(Rusty lake is a world where a detective can puke a key after drinking a red liquid and it has a lake ruled by a lunatic owl man)

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What would make a male laying an egg from a magical seed harvested from a magical flower weird?

spice frigate Sep 25, 2019, 9:07 PM

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I kind of debunk it, as they can deliver it no matter what
plus, I think Bob would be busy doing his own stuff at that time

vague imp Sep 25, 2019, 9:07 PM

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Yeah

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Well yeah thats fair i would bring up my point of "proving it" but

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spoilers ig?So i wont

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Also we don’t know for sure but I think bob was unaware of the weirdness in rusty lake

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Spoilers of what?

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the white door,

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Wait...

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How are there spoilers if the game hasn’t come out yet

bold owl Sep 25, 2019, 9:10 PM

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The game isn't out, but since Rusty Lake brought it to some gaming conventions, some people got to play it early

vague imp Sep 25, 2019, 9:10 PM

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Ooh lucky

bold owl Sep 25, 2019, 9:10 PM

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Very

vague imp Sep 25, 2019, 9:10 PM

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(Pm me paranoid)

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@vague imp *

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why?

spice frigate Sep 25, 2019, 9:11 PM

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but I think he saw it from the spoilers on Reddit or so he told me

vague imp Sep 25, 2019, 9:11 PM

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I want to hear about the game

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uhhhhhhhhh

bold owl Sep 25, 2019, 9:11 PM

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Because he wants the spoilers without spoiling everyone else

vague imp Sep 25, 2019, 9:11 PM

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Yes

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sure, hahaha

vague imp Sep 28, 2019, 2:44 PM

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I realized that the flowers in the surreal town of rusty lake have fertility capabilities

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Mary eating a potion made out of a herb to increase childbirth

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Emma inhaling pollen made her pregnant

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Harvey eats seeds and lays eggs

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Like wtf is wrong with those flowers man

gleaming dragon Sep 28, 2019, 2:45 PM

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Huh

weak patrol Sep 28, 2019, 3:17 PM

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I mean
The poison for Mr. Deer is from a flower as well.....

gleaming dragon Sep 28, 2019, 3:18 PM

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I think the town is weird only because of flowers lol. Maybe they’re like a hallucinogenic?

weak patrol Sep 28, 2019, 3:20 PM

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The only residents are The Vanderbooms and every one in the hotel

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Even then
Laura moved out

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Also the old woman in the mill

vague imp Sep 28, 2019, 11:08 PM

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There are actually a ton of residents near rusty lake

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I mean the newspapers made some headlines and articles relating to the mysteriousness behind rusty lake

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And there’s a bird food company and a cigar company and a stamp company reside next to the lake

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Granted the vanderbooms may be the only ones that live near the lake

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Like they are nearest residents to the lake

plucky swallow Sep 28, 2019, 11:13 PM

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Its possible Dale's childhood home/Laura's house is somewhat near the lake as well

vague imp Sep 28, 2019, 11:13 PM

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But there were proof indicating that there’s some kind of social life in rusty lake

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It’s pretty plausible

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Cause when you think about it

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Mr rabbit was able to reach dale’s house

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And even the theatre where bob was is near the lake

vague imp Sep 30, 2019, 5:50 AM

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@gleaming dragon dale didn’t kill Laura really

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She committed suicide

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Paradox basically is in dale’s head

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Caused by the strange machine we see in the end of ce the cave

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So everything that happened in paradox isn’t real

vague imp Sep 30, 2019, 12:09 PM

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I have a mini theory to correct something most people think of

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Everyone asks this same question “why is everyone called mr and ms but harvey is called harvey”

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And to that I answer that I do believe harvey harvey has a mr parrot name

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The reason why he’s called harvey is because mr owl calls every one in their human name sometimes

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Like calling mr crow Aldous in cave

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And as for the rest of the characters like laura , she doesn’t know harvey is enlightened

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And as for the rest of the characters like laura , she doesn’t know harvey is enlightened

gleaming dragon Sep 30, 2019, 7:37 PM

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So, here’s the thing. The Mr. Rabbit from Hotel is a different Rabbit from Birthday. Different color, probably different breed. Is it a tittle that gets passed, then?

dapper valley Sep 30, 2019, 7:45 PM

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we don't know if they're the same or not

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but interestingly

gleaming dragon Sep 30, 2019, 7:45 PM

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They’re not the same. The one from Birthday looks more like a hare than a rabbit

dapper valley Sep 30, 2019, 7:45 PM

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in birthday Mr Rabbit comes to Dale's house to get a pistol

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which looks a lot like the one used by Ms Pheasant

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in any case we don't know the relation

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oh I almost forgot

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in Hotel if you look out the window in Mr Rabbit's room
you can see the white rabbit

gleaming dragon Sep 30, 2019, 7:46 PM

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Interesting

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I should have looked

dapper valley Sep 30, 2019, 7:47 PM

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just kinda wandering around

gleaming dragon Sep 30, 2019, 7:47 PM

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I’m just finishing my second run of it

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Oh! Oh my god I just realized something

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In each of the black cubes in Mr. Owls room, we see an animal

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What looks like the corrupted form. So, what if each hybrid has a double: one from the black cube, one from the white. An evil doppelgänger. And then maybe a different color cube would be their human form?

dapper valley Sep 30, 2019, 7:56 PM

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As seen in Paradise the animal hybrids are very likely the Elianders

gleaming dragon Sep 30, 2019, 7:57 PM

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Yes. But there’s a very heavy theme of the black and white cubes, how it has to be balanced

dapper valley Sep 30, 2019, 7:58 PM

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So one of the doubles would be the corrupted soul?

gleaming dragon Sep 30, 2019, 7:58 PM

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Well like

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I guess?

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Except for the fact you can see the white rabbit outside in hotel.

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I meant more like when they became they hybrids they were split

weak patrol Oct 1, 2019, 2:52 AM

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This?

📎 Screenshot_20190912-145609_Rusty_Lake_Hotel.jpg

dapper valley Oct 1, 2019, 3:16 AM

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yeah

vague imp Oct 1, 2019, 12:09 PM

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Well that white rabbit is a corrupted soul

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They are the same mr rabbit

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But happen to meet at the same time

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I believe this is because after mr rabbit was corrupted he went back in time to try cure his corruption just like Laura did

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I made a theory about it on another platform

vague imp Oct 2, 2019, 1:50 PM

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Ok ya'all!

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Hm?

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I know i might sound cuckoo saying this but, you all notice how in the 4th anniversary teaser Albert is in the same pose as he was in Leonard's flashback?Well it might be reuse of a model, but what if it isnt!

reef eagle Oct 2, 2019, 1:51 PM

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just a whole flat ass man

vague imp Oct 2, 2019, 1:51 PM

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And this means we will see all the Vanderbooms return in one way or another

reef eagle Oct 2, 2019, 1:51 PM

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Hmmmmm !!

vague imp Oct 2, 2019, 1:52 PM

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Oh that might be right

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Right!So what if even if Robin n Marteen haven't seen it what if, they are hiding it from us but left Albert returning as a clue i mean this could be what the book in cave hinted at also

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What do you mean?

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I don’t remember how it hinted

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📎 latest.png

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I see

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But isn’t that a nod to roots?

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How could it tie to the upcoming game

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So since Albert is shown here who says the others wont return also, ik the cave and the 4th anniversary teaser were 2 year apart, who know maybe it could work

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Maybe idk

reef eagle Oct 2, 2019, 1:56 PM

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Maybee

vague imp Oct 2, 2019, 1:56 PM

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I don’t see how they tie together but I believe we will see the vanderbooms soon

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I hope so ngl, i miss em

reef eagle Oct 2, 2019, 1:56 PM

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Hyped 4 that..

vague imp Oct 2, 2019, 1:56 PM

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Hm

reef eagle Oct 2, 2019, 1:56 PM

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wacky family time

hollow raptor Oct 2, 2019, 1:56 PM

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I'd be totally down for another game with the Vanderbooms

vague imp Oct 2, 2019, 1:57 PM

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I do like Albert alot

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He’s my favorite vanderboom

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What’s wackier , vanderbooms or Eilanders

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Both equally

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Lmao

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That’s valid

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but we should really take this to general

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Alright

vague imp Oct 2, 2019, 2:21 PM

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Perhaps it could have been a "bad omen"

reef eagle Oct 2, 2019, 2:22 PM

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Mayhaps,

vague imp Oct 2, 2019, 2:22 PM

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But who knows the lake works in confusing ways that is unless her animal mask/form hints at something more?

reef eagle Oct 2, 2019, 2:23 PM

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Hmmmmmmm

vague imp Oct 2, 2019, 2:23 PM

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Apparently Pheasants represent "rituals" tho hmmmmm

reef eagle Oct 2, 2019, 2:24 PM

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Hmmmmmmmmmmm

reef eagle Oct 2, 2019, 10:33 PM

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am i wring if i assume that the man fishin in cave was just another variation of dale?

vague imp Oct 2, 2019, 10:34 PM

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Lmao tbh i thought that really was Dale but considering his ||phobia..||

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that wouldnt make sense..

reef eagle Oct 2, 2019, 10:34 PM

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True

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but like

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Considering the major brain fog dale had

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Whilst at the lake

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Its too far of a stretch?

vague imp Oct 2, 2019, 10:35 PM

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Well, mayhaps in that case

reef eagle Oct 2, 2019, 10:36 PM

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yeah

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But thats just a theory ... a dumb theory 😂

vague imp Oct 2, 2019, 10:37 PM

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Eh i mean ig it has some proof do it, im not saying ur wrong just find it hard to believe myself no offense

reef eagle Oct 2, 2019, 10:38 PM

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No its ok. i like bullshitting a lot of things

frozen ocean Oct 3, 2019, 3:23 AM

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Omg wait I think I figured something out: Dale has Dissociative identity disorder (or multiple personality disorder) and this can be proved with almost all of the cube escape games.

"Dissociative identity disorder (DID) is a rare condition in which two or more distinct identities, or personality states, are present in—and alternately take control of—an individual." In Dale's case, his two personalities are his normal self and his "corrupted soul" (which we learn is Dale in Cube Escape: Paradox). Both personalities are fighting for control of Dale's body, and they both augment how Dale sees the world around him.

"The person also experiences memory loss that is too extensive to be explained by ordinary forgetfulness." Dale suffers from memory loss, unable to remember where he is at the beginning of each cube escape game. This would explain why he is always asking where he is or who the woman (Laura) is.

Symptoms of DID include:
The individual experiences two or more distinct identities or personality states (each with its own enduring pattern of perceiving, relating to, and thinking about the environment and self). Some cultures describe this as an experience of possession.
The disruption in identity involves a change in sense of self, sense of agency, and changes in behavior, consciousness, memory, perception, cognition, and motor function.
Frequent gaps are found in the individual’s memories of personal history, including people, places, and events, for both the distant and recent past. These recurrent gaps are not consistent with ordinary forgetting.

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Dale (in a nutshell) experiences all of the symptoms above. It's his corrupted soul personality that leads him to believe that all the other people he meets in Rusty Lake have enlightened/corrupted versions of themselves when in reality they don't, and it also leads him to believe that his memory loss is because of the cubes taking his memories and giving them to the lake when in reality it is actually his DID that is causing his memory loss. It is said that DID can form at any age and usually happens post trauma, so what's more traumatic than watching your family get murdered in front of you? That could have been when his DID first formed.

Now this is where it gets interesting: The primary treatment for DID is long-term psychotherapy, Rusty Lake offers mental health help (and fishing, but that's not important). They even say in their advertising that Rusty Lake is a place to reflect on the past and the future, so what if it's a psychotherapy clinic to help Dale recover his memories? "Although there are no medications that specifically treat this disorder, antidepressants, anti-anxiety drugs, or tranquilizers may be prescribed to help control the psychological symptoms associated with it." A common medication mentioned throughout almost all the cube escape games is Prozac, which is an antidepressant. There is a good possibility that Dale takes Prozac in order to dial down the presence of his corrupted soul.

But altogether it's very likely that Dale is suffering from DID (multiple personality disorder) and is essentially hallucinating a lot of the things that have taken place in the cube escape games. There is also a good chance that his memory loss is associated with his condition and he is struggling to keep his memories unscathed. In order to make sure that his other personality doesn't take over, he takes Prozac, an antidepressant that supposedly will dial down the psychological effects of DID.

north pasture Oct 3, 2019, 3:40 AM

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that’s rlly interesting!!

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I don’t have DID, so I can’t rlly say anything specific about having DID itself, but doesn’t Laura just take Prozac? Cause she has Big Depresso Espresso?

gleaming dragon Oct 3, 2019, 3:42 AM

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DID an depression are very different

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And*

north pasture Oct 3, 2019, 3:42 AM

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but that IS a good point, the fact that his memories are altered. Then again, in people with DID, it’s incredibly common to have more than one alter, so idk maybe

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yeah yeah idk if people take Prozac for DID

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that one book in the game has his diagnosis already (depression, anxiety, alcoholism, etc), If thats real

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but VERY interesting theory !

gleaming dragon Oct 3, 2019, 3:43 AM

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It’d make a lot of sense expect we’ve seen both the Vanderboom and what’s the name story line

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I can’t remember their last name

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Point is, there might be some of that going on, but there’s obviously something else, too

reef eagle Oct 3, 2019, 3:44 AM

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Yeah

dapper valley Oct 3, 2019, 5:37 AM

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hmm interesting I've never considered that

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The idea seemed a bit far-fetched at first but considering the number of unexplained things in the series it could definitely be a possibility

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Apparently case 23 (the case about Laura and rusty lake) was what triggered "unprocessed" memories/emotions

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Then I wonder what the end of the second chapter of Paradox is supposed to mean
Is it supposed to mean Dale's alter actually murdered Laura? Is it supposed to be something more metaphorical?

gleaming dragon Oct 3, 2019, 5:43 AM

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I think this theory makes sense until you get to the Vanderboom’s and the Eliander’s.

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Because we have stories not at all connected to Dale about them.

gleaming dragon Oct 3, 2019, 6:38 AM

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Here’s the thing I don’t get. The rabbit of the Eliander’s and the one at the hotel are two different species. They look nothing alike.

weak patrol Oct 3, 2019, 7:00 AM

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See the corrupted version

frozen ocean Oct 3, 2019, 10:14 AM

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@north pasture at first I thought Laura was the only one who was associated with prozac, but then that opens up another possibility: what if Laura had DID as well? If she did, that would mean that it was her two personalities that drove her into this depressed state and would give another reason as to why she takes prozac. It's been said that a good portion of those who have DID have a tendency to be self-injurous, so it could also potentially mean that it was her two personalities that drove her to commit alt-f4.

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@north pasture and DID alters behavior and consciousness, so maybe Dale's depression, anxiety, and alcoholism are not separate diagnoses/conditions, but rather symptoms of his DID.

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@gleaming dragon yeah idk how to work this theory into the eilander story. It's mainly a theory on Dale and Laura

plucky swallow Oct 3, 2019, 10:21 AM

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Hmm it’s interesting though!

frozen ocean Oct 3, 2019, 10:22 AM

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Thank you

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If u wanna see where I got my information on DID, here's the link:
https://www-psychologytoday-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.psychologytoday.com/us/conditions/dissociative-identity-disorder-multiple-personality-disorder?amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1&amp&usqp=mq331AQCKAE%3D#aoh=15700685696242&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From %251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.psychologytoday.com%2Fus%2Fconditions%2Fdissociative-identity-disorder-multiple-personality-disorder

plucky swallow Oct 3, 2019, 10:23 AM

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Imagine dale and Laura are both patients in a mental health facility, and became friends or something, and the Laura committed suicide and Dales brain started making things up as a coping strategy

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Trying to solve her death and help her

frozen ocean Oct 3, 2019, 10:24 AM

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That would be a plausible possibility if they both have DID since it alters memory

plucky swallow Oct 3, 2019, 10:24 AM

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^

frozen ocean Oct 3, 2019, 10:25 AM

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Although I feel as though Dale being a detective is real. I don't think his brain made that part up

plucky swallow Oct 3, 2019, 10:32 AM

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Perhaps he was a detective who kept getting flashbacks from his birthday party in his job, and he got admitted to the hospital

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And since he was still a detective, he was trying to investigate Laura’s suicide, but couldn’t leave the facility

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So his mind gave him scenarios that allows him to try to help her

vague imp Oct 3, 2019, 10:40 AM

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Or maybe it's Dale telling his therapist about the events that happened during the case so he could learn to cope with it, these events seem strange and odd because he is getting memories mixed up

frozen ocean Oct 3, 2019, 11:11 AM

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^^^

plucky swallow Oct 3, 2019, 11:32 AM

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And the lake and cubes are how he sees his progressing illness

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Like his body it being taken by the lake

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And pulling him down where he sees his jumbled memories

vague imp Oct 3, 2019, 11:34 AM

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Ye ye

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i lowkey think its all a metaphor

north pasture Oct 3, 2019, 11:40 AM

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I’m SO here for dale and Laura bonding over mental illness

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depression: exists
dale and Laura: same hat!!!!!!

vague imp Oct 3, 2019, 11:41 AM

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in this case

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what if the Vanderbooms/Eilanders are patients also [not all of them but maybe some
ie:Albert for the Vanderbooms and ..uhhh. idk David for the Eilanders?]

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the people we see from time to time are there during visiting hours..?

plucky swallow Oct 3, 2019, 11:43 AM

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Bob visited Laura in the mental health facility, and then tried to shoot himself when he saw how far the illness had progressed

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And the elevator was how dale viewed his descent into sickness

vague imp Oct 3, 2019, 11:44 AM

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oh yess

plucky swallow Oct 3, 2019, 11:44 AM

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And now after his therapy in paradox it’s rising back up as he gets better

vague imp Oct 3, 2019, 11:44 AM

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and then later when it went upwards it was a metaphor for him starting to recover

frozen ocean Oct 3, 2019, 1:04 PM

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But what if it's the exact opposite? What if it actually metaphorically represents Dale's insanity reaching its peak, it's highest point? Although it would be nice for him to recover, being stuck in an endless loop (as shown in Paradox) would probably take a nasty toll on his mental stability and drive him closer to completely losing it

vague imp Oct 3, 2019, 1:05 PM

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Could be that also

vague imp Oct 8, 2019, 12:43 PM

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I really don’t understand something

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Albert knew frank was alive

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Why did he not kill him

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Did he just want emma to kill herself out of grief

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Or did he somewhat come to his senses and decided not to kill his nephew

spice frigate Oct 8, 2019, 12:45 PM

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That's a really good question - perhaps make Emma feel bad after accident in "Child's play"

vague imp Oct 8, 2019, 12:45 PM

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I suppose so

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A friend of mine told me that Albert’s intention wasn’t to kill frank

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I mean I do know he wanted to get revenge at emma and Samuel

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Maybe since he knows his sister he would know she would commit suicide after losing her son

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?

spice frigate Oct 8, 2019, 12:48 PM

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Hmm.. Tbh i think that wouldn't be right away noticable. People have different reactions for that kind of situation

vague imp Oct 8, 2019, 12:48 PM

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Albert is a smart person, he might be a maniac but a smart one nonetheless

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Ye tbh i think Albert was more jealous of his siblings getting kids/lovers while he didnt so he took it from them or well for Leo he took his parents from him

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He would know how emma would react imo

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Especially since he’s her twin

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Triplet?

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Idk the term

spice frigate Oct 8, 2019, 12:49 PM

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Hmm... Maybe?

vague imp Oct 8, 2019, 12:51 PM

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I mean he is jealous obviously of Samuel and Emma, so i assume he would do something like that if you catch my drift

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I do

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And that is pretty valid

spice frigate Oct 8, 2019, 12:52 PM

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Yeah but - there must be a motif why this and not that

vague imp Oct 8, 2019, 12:52 PM

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Well maybe RL will gives us answers in the 4 year anniversary thing?

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Maybe

spice frigate Oct 8, 2019, 12:53 PM

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Perhaps

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But ya know - Albert will return

vague imp Oct 8, 2019, 12:54 PM

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Sry no offense but do u mean motif or motive

spice frigate Oct 8, 2019, 12:54 PM

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My roommate to cook deadly soop

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Motive* sorry

vague imp Oct 8, 2019, 12:55 PM

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Anyway we know albert despised his siblings a lot

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And wanted them dead ever since he was eleveb

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Eleven*

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@spice frigate no worries

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Better question did Albert kill Mary or did she die of "natural causes"?

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(Omg that sounds rude on my behalf to say no worries because of a typo)

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Well mary was old

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I mean that blood didn't come from Samuel/Ida they seemed perfectly fine in the next level

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Any panic attack could have ended her

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Leo seemed fine also..tbh

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Fine physically

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He was scarred in different ways

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yeah but then whos blood was it?

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That’s why he’s a vegetable when he grew up

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Maybe an animal’s blood or something

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Like just to scare leo

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And make him believe his parents were killed

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hmmm

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I believe mary died due to the shock

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Since she also appeared to be fine

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yeah possibly..

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Physically

spice frigate Oct 8, 2019, 12:58 PM

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How much difference are between the levels?

vague imp Oct 8, 2019, 12:58 PM

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(Old people might die any second if they get frightened)

spice frigate Oct 8, 2019, 12:58 PM

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Heart attack perhaps?

vague imp Oct 8, 2019, 12:59 PM

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Well family band and voodoo are both in 1904

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Yes

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Wait

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1905?

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Let me check

spice frigate Oct 8, 2019, 12:59 PM

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Go ahead

vague imp Oct 8, 2019, 12:59 PM

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Oh yeah

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I remember

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1904

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But still

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They take place at the same time

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1904

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Implying that albert killed them almost immediately

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Also I see no point why albert would kill his mother

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So even tho he was the cause of the shock thus being the one who indirectly killed his mother

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But I don’t think he tried to kill her directly

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yeah possibly

spice frigate Oct 8, 2019, 1:02 PM

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Perhaps held them captive for a while

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If he'll do it right away, they would have same clothes

vague imp Oct 8, 2019, 1:03 PM

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A while

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Maybe months

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But he killed them at the same year

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yeah but possibly a different month

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i havent played roots in a while so my memory is sorta foggy on that part

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I’ll double check

spice frigate Oct 8, 2019, 1:04 PM

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Of course

vague imp Oct 8, 2019, 1:05 PM

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Ok so

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Both take place at the same season

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They both are in summer

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Thus meaning the period of their death can sway from one month to three

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Ida and Samuel might have died back in June or September

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But it was summer alright

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don't you mean august?September isn't a summer month last time i checked?Not making fun you, just pointing it out

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Of course no offense taken

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Sorry

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Yeah but still

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It's fine just pointin it out n all

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Their* time of death swayed from immediately or three months after at most

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That is assuming that family band took place in the beginning of summer

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It might have taken place in middle of summer or late sumker

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(Also is “take place” even the correct term)

weak patrol Oct 8, 2019, 2:49 PM

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I'm not sure that voodoo happened after the family band
Because at the end, we can see their voodoo dolls with the buttons removo

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Removed*

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Or maybe it happened in the same time

vague imp Oct 8, 2019, 2:53 PM

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Pretty sure it happened after

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Maybe immediately

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Or maybe after days

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But for sure it happened after family band

weak patrol Oct 8, 2019, 2:58 PM

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Albert is using the voodoo doll to remove their eyes
It's a voodoo doll, if you do something with it, it will mess the real person
Sam amd Ida still got their eyes in family band, which means the buttons on their doll is still sewed
In the end of family band, the voodoo dolls lost their buttons. Which means that their eyes is now ready to be sacrificed

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Begining of Family Band -> Voodoo -> end of Family Band

vague imp Oct 8, 2019, 6:13 PM

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It’s also plausible

vague imp Oct 8, 2019, 7:45 PM

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I think so also, their lifestyles seem too..European.

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If that makes any sense.

gleaming dragon Oct 8, 2019, 7:50 PM

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Actually most of September is in the summer

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It’s not fall until September 23rd

vague imp Oct 8, 2019, 7:51 PM

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In the Northern hemisphere, the beginning of the meteorological autumn is on 1 September.

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That’s what I thought too

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so no it's not

gleaming dragon Oct 8, 2019, 7:51 PM

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I am in the northern hemisphere

vague imp Oct 8, 2019, 7:51 PM

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In my country it starts in September 23

gleaming dragon Oct 8, 2019, 7:51 PM

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I live in the US

vague imp Oct 8, 2019, 7:51 PM

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And by it i mean fall

gleaming dragon Oct 8, 2019, 7:51 PM

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Same here

spice frigate Oct 8, 2019, 7:52 PM

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Same

gleaming dragon Oct 8, 2019, 7:52 PM

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I know it’s the 23rd because that’s my moms birthday

spice frigate Oct 8, 2019, 7:52 PM

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you can "say" it starts in 1st but actually it starts in 23rd like... officialy

gleaming dragon Oct 8, 2019, 7:52 PM

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According to planetary rotation, yeah

vague imp Oct 8, 2019, 7:52 PM

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ok that's by a piece of paper nobody hangs on their wall anymore

gleaming dragon Oct 8, 2019, 7:53 PM

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📎 image0.png

vague imp Oct 8, 2019, 7:53 PM

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September is a fall month and you can't make me change my mind

gleaming dragon Oct 8, 2019, 7:53 PM

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I mean yeah it’s thought of as a fall month but technically it’s a summer month

vague imp Oct 8, 2019, 7:53 PM

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Lol

gleaming dragon Oct 8, 2019, 7:53 PM

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Just like June is technically a spring month

vague imp Oct 8, 2019, 7:53 PM

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It's not a summer month!

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Imo it’s also a fall month however

spice frigate Oct 8, 2019, 7:54 PM

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but you don't get the first day on 1st

vague imp Oct 8, 2019, 7:54 PM

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you go back to school wtf that's not summer!

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The biggest chunk of September is summer

spice frigate Oct 8, 2019, 7:54 PM

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for me it's like crossing between summer/fall

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like slowly changing

vague imp Oct 8, 2019, 7:54 PM

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tsh

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sure

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I go back on September 20th

gleaming dragon Oct 8, 2019, 7:54 PM

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No, I agree. Weather wise and in most people’s minds it’s a fall month

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But if you look at the rotation of the earth, it’s technically a summer month

vague imp Oct 8, 2019, 7:54 PM

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Me too

winged thistle Oct 31, 2019, 3:54 PM

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Just for context I have no idea of any of the theories or the general story asides from the Murder case and the Detective going through his memories.
Why do all the characters have "Vander" in their last names? I know most of them are related to two seperate families but are the Vandermeers and Vanderblooms related too?

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@vague imp. Thank you so much! This is really interesting. Never occured to me that the importance would rely on the meanings of the names

cinder drift Nov 1, 2019, 1:20 PM

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Van=from der=the boom=tree

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Vanderboom=from the tree

vague imp Nov 1, 2019, 5:08 PM

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I’ve got a wild theory

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It’s pretty crazy but here me out

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So we know that we play as Laura in seasons and seasons is about 4 memories in 4 cubes

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However in the series we see laura getting only two cubes extracted from her

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But in theatre we see bob getting 4 (5 if you count the black cube) cubes extracted

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And those four memories were all related to laura

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So could it be that we play in seasons as Laura in bob’s memories?

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Or does laura perhaps got her memories extracted afterwards

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Because come to think of it the last memory was in 1981 so a lot would’ve happened since

weak patrol Nov 1, 2019, 5:14 PM

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Then there will be 3
Which could be the white, black, and blue
And speaking of the blue cube, Aldous didn't take any blue cube from Laura
But the memory showed that it's the Vanderboom's or Eilander's grandfather clock

vague imp Nov 1, 2019, 5:15 PM

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I think the blue cube isn’t a memory really

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It can imply or represent time

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Or maybe it’s created to represent something that stayed so long in a family line (or possibly family lines) and then warped itself to become a valuable memory?

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Because the grandfather clock is seen both with the eilanders and vanderbooms

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But that sounds rather bizzare (sorry my imagination goes wide sometimes)

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I think I debunked my theory

weak patrol Nov 1, 2019, 5:19 PM

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I can take that, cause the book says
The past is never dead, it is not even past
For the blue cube

vague imp Nov 1, 2019, 5:19 PM

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Because as it turns out those four memories are all black except for one blue

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And robert only produces white cubes with only one black cube

weak patrol Nov 1, 2019, 5:20 PM

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That's true

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And his memories are taken when he is in the station, right?

vague imp Nov 1, 2019, 5:21 PM

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And furthermore how would robert know about laura in her house privately

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He wouldn’t

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Sorry i sometimes say wild dumb theories

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Oh maybe it was another memory?

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Because it was taken in theatre too

weak patrol Nov 1, 2019, 5:22 PM

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Wait what?

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I don't feel the events in theatre is true

vague imp Nov 1, 2019, 5:22 PM

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Not all of them

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But what was true is bob meeting dale

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But i think some events were warped

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Just like bday

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And here’s the thing that confuses me about corrupted souls

plucky swallow Nov 1, 2019, 5:24 PM

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I think theatre was just a lake memory of when dale interrogated bob

vague imp Nov 1, 2019, 5:24 PM

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They are made by extracting negative memories (black cubes) but somehow are made or controlled by black cubes?

weak patrol Nov 1, 2019, 5:24 PM

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I'm thinking that the lake is also creating false memories?
I mean how did the events in theatre is in irl

vague imp Nov 1, 2019, 5:24 PM

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“I think theatre was just a lake memory of when dale interrogated bob”

Yep that’s true

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It was mainly a test to dale

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In altered memory form

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“I'm thinking that the lake is also creating false memories?
I mean how did the events in theatre is in irl”

Because the memories weren’t entirely real

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And some of them were altered

weak patrol Nov 1, 2019, 5:26 PM

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I get it now

vague imp Nov 1, 2019, 5:26 PM

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But I still don’t understand corruption

weak patrol Nov 1, 2019, 5:26 PM

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Me too

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Because in Hotel and Case 23 those cubes turned into a corrupted, right?

vague imp Nov 1, 2019, 5:27 PM

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Like in Laura’s case she got corrupted by extracting a painful memory

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And she then became corrupted

weak patrol Nov 1, 2019, 5:27 PM

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Bob's tho
He appears to be changed into a cube

vague imp Nov 1, 2019, 5:27 PM

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In lake when you get the alternate ending the c soul becomes a cube

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In case 23 bob disappears leaving a black cube

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In hotel the guests get killed and get their memories extracted in that weird machine

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That makes those cubes produce their corrupted souls

plucky swallow Nov 1, 2019, 5:29 PM

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I don’t think the cubes produce the souls

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The souls are a byproduct from extracting the cubes

weak patrol Nov 1, 2019, 5:30 PM

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The events in Hotel doesn't represent that?

vague imp Nov 1, 2019, 5:30 PM

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I know that

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I just expeessed the last message wrongly

weak patrol Nov 1, 2019, 5:31 PM

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Maybe Mr. Owl knows how to change the corrupted soul into a cube?

vague imp Nov 1, 2019, 5:31 PM

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Maybe

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Oh and also

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In cave the mural shows that mr owl was able to somewhat control those c souls

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By their cubes

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That are apparently linked by them

gleaming dragon Nov 1, 2019, 5:32 PM

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Maybe the souls are contained in the cubes

plucky swallow Nov 1, 2019, 5:32 PM

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Hmm