Which one? The mariah carey ice shouldnt be melting this early…
#🤔｜theories
daring cloud
rancid slate
It is implied by Nicholas, which isn't a trustworth source too
daring cloud
It is implied by Nicholas, which isn't a trustworth source too
If it were caused by a lack of memories then since it hadn’t gotten memories in… ever actually it should be very very angry
azure bay
That doesn't really make sense, as I think aboyt it. They were needed for the day of the lak, the prophecy said so. And you need the day of the lake to make a sacrifice.
It cannot be both a condition and a punishment for a wrong sacrifice
rancid slate
If it were caused by a lack of memories then since it hadn’t gotten memories in…...
It's not confirmed that they haven't give memories 
There's The White Door too
daring cloud
That doesn't really make sense, as I think aboyt it. They were needed for the da...
I can’t remember but it’s something about Caroline that caused the plagues, I forgot
rancid slate
And Owl says in Theatre that Bob's memories already belong go the Lake
daring cloud
There's The White Door too
Unless TWD can send cubes 100 years into the past I think it’s a little out of the time period
rancid slate
I can’t remember but it’s something about Caroline that caused the plagues, I fo...
It's the letter written by Nicholas in the beggining
azure bay
I can’t remember but it’s something about Caroline that caused the plagues, I fo...
"Paradise has suffered since your mother died"
daring cloud
Oh, right
azure bay
We also don't know when exactly Caroline was killed. Could be 15 years ago, could be recently.
daring cloud
Well we don’t need nicholas as a source since we SEE the plagues and we know that before the death of Caroline Paradise was fine.
azure bay
Well we don’t need nicholas as a source since we SEE the plagues and we know tha...
I think yhe plagues are too deeply rooted in their culture not to be the part of the intended ritual
daring cloud
We also don't know when exactly Caroline was killed. Could be 15 years ago, coul...
Ok that works
daring cloud
I think yhe plagues are too deeply rooted in their culture not to be the part of...
So the day of the lake has the plagues apart of the ritual?
Oh boy the day of the lake! Time to drink blood, Have my brother turn into an eldritch horror mosquito and kill my younger brother!
azure bay
So the day of the lake has the plagues apart of the ritual?
I think you need the plagues for the ritual to work. Probably cause them if they don't happen on their own
daring cloud
Like a sacrifice in of itself…
azure bay
Well, the sacrifice is technically the final plague
daring cloud
I have a feeling the devs watch this channel and just know we are nowhere near getting the lore
rancid slate
I think you need the plagues for the ritual to work. Probably cause them if they...
Until it's retconned
azure bay
I have a feeling the devs watch this channel and just know we are nowhere near g...
I have a feeling there's no lore and we are hunting ghosts 
rancid slate
The real lore is that Alexandra will become the Dog and therefore appear in Roots, Cave and UB
daring cloud
I have a feeling there's no lore and we are hunting ghosts <:HarveyHug:118011797...
But- But in Paradox the table had morse code on it!!!!! /j
daring cloud
The real lore is that Alexandra will become the Dog and therefore appear in Root...
that would mean the dog has a human form as well
omfg a cricket got into my house
it won’t stop chirping and i can’t find it
rancid slate
that would mean the dog has a human form as well
Yeah that's Alexandra, its past life
rancid slate
That's what I'm saying, yes
azure bay
So the dog is reborn?
Well... Yes and no. Samsara implies that everyone is repeatedly reborn. Bit Alexandra...
daring cloud
Could work… Wait- When anything gets reborn does it have to go through the samsara room like william?
azure bay
Could work… Wait- When anything gets reborn does it have to go through the samsa...
Probably?
In some shape or form?
daring cloud
Does that mean there is a samsara room waiting room?
azure bay
At least how souls may see it
rancid slate
Everyone gets their own Samsara Room
daring cloud
Everyone gets their own Samsara Room
Samsara hotel
azure bay
In Roots and Paradise it was a red starry space
daring cloud
How come the wheel of life is in CE theatre if Dale has never seen it before?
azure bay
Would be cool if the cabinet will be in SotL. It fits the clock by design
daring cloud
also who’s memories are we collecting in CE cave?
rancid slate
@Robin pls
azure bay
How come the wheel of life is in CE theatre if Dale has never seen it before?
Like in some random buddhism book or during his original theatre visit?
rancid slate
also who’s memories are we collecting in CE cave?
White and black are Laura's
Blue is no one's
rancid slate
How come the wheel of life is in CE theatre if Dale has never seen it before?
I presume the memory was altered to teach Dale about samsara and his future destiny as Deva
daring cloud
ohhh
so mr owl can just freely alter memories
i knew he could extract but not alter
azure bay
so mr owl can just freely alter memories
He planted the present that helped to defeat Rabbit
rancid slate
He is an Admin of the Lake
azure bay
i knew he could extract but not alter
Also Rose was doing the same in TPW
azure bay
It's very worth it
rancid slate
You can alter your own memory if you think hard enough, but they don't know that yet /j /theory?
daring cloud
You can alter your own memory if you think hard enough, but they don't know that...
but that’s just a theory…
rancid slate
Albert might know that
azure bay
You can alter your own memory if you think hard enough, but they don't know that...
One of Seasons theories I mentioned in DDRL
rancid slate
Coincidentally, I just thought about that because of Seasons
daring cloud
Why did we extract Lauras memories in CE Mill to put them into the lake just to get them back in CE Cave?
azure bay
Why did we extract Lauras memories in CE Mill to put them into the lake just to ...
RL said the lake preserves memories but idk. They seem fine without the lake
daring cloud
the cubes may get a little dusty
rancid slate
Why did we extract Lauras memories in CE Mill to put them into the lake just to ...
I think they didn't have Cave in mind initially, so that's why it doesn't make much sense
daring cloud
oh alright
azure bay
Or they are maintaining the multiverse of cubes like that?
daring cloud
i can just imagine mr crow putting the cubes into the lake then running down into the cave, getting into the submarine and grabbing the cubes back
rancid slate
Maaaaybee they couldve make it so when her memories go to The Lake, they also "remember" William's Elixir so now they have the past² inside them
Just throwing this idea out here, not really that good tho
daring cloud
That makes me wonder, when someone is reborn do they keep their memories?
azure bay
Or maybe memories are easily operated when in the lake
azure bay
That makes me wonder, when someone is reborn do they keep their memories?
Technically they do but not really.
daring cloud
I wouldn’t think so as Laura never mentions anything about william or Samara room
rancid slate
i can just imagine mr crow putting the cubes into the lake then running down int...
I think The Mill happens in august
Cave is in december
daring cloud
Mr crow is just a VERY slow walker
azure bay
TWD offer services to remember past lives. And Laura still has Wiiliam's elixir memories
Until they were extracted ofc
rancid slate
It's like real life
daring cloud
Could they in theory duplicate memories so the person keeps their memory and they have a cube copy of it?
azure bay
Could they in theory duplicate memories so the person keeps their memory and the...
Best Kept Memory, I guess
daring cloud
And if they can does that mean that they can put that memory into anyone’s mind to improve their mental health (or worsen it)
rancid slate
We forget things but they are still stored in our brains, that's how why we are still able to remember them
In Laura's case, William's memories were always there and she never knew about that
azure bay
And if they can does that mean that they can put that memory into anyone’s mind ...
That I never heard of. They usually extract what people don't want to remember
daring cloud
We forget things but they are still stored in our brains, that's how why we are ...
ohhhh, could something trigger the memories?
daring cloud
That I never heard of. They usually extract what people don't want to remember
what if they want to remember something? such as… laura wants to remember bob?
azure bay
ohhhh, could something trigger the memories?
The White Door's therapy can if asked
rancid slate
But it's too late for Laura's development, I guess. (Unless she finally adresses William in thd Day of the Lake)
azure bay
what if they want to remember something? such as… laura wants to remember bob?
If it's there, it's possible. Best Kept Memory is all about it
daring cloud
But it's too late for Laura's development, I guess. (Unless she finally adresses...
we will just need to wait until the day of the lake since it is too unknown atm
rancid slate
"Guys, I remember the recipe, let me cook!"
daring cloud
"Guys, I remember the recipe, let me cook!"
-Mr. Toad, Seconds before burning down the hotel
azure bay
we will just need to wait until the day of the lake since it is too unknown atm
Since Seasons take place in 1981 and Laura's dead, Dale wins at least by default
daring cloud
Since Seasons take place in 1981 and Laura's dead, Dale wins at least by default
gg ez
azure bay
I still expect an ending when he offers the win to her
daring cloud
how though- she is dead
azure bay
how though- she is dead
Not anymore since after Paradox. Somehow
daring cloud
unless she somehow remembers the existence of the timepieces, rebuilds the broken one, collects the other 2, gets the sacrifices and gets reborn i don’t see it happening
azure bay
unless she somehow remembers the existence of the timepieces, rebuilds the broke...
She's already alive in secret The Cave epilogue in UB
daring cloud
UB is metaphorical
azure bay
UB is metaphorical
Not to that extent
daring cloud
?
azure bay
I expect her at least semi-corrupted like Dale but she's likely just alive now
rancid slate
Not anymore since after Paradox. *Somehow*
Somehow Laura returned
daring cloud
which means that laura is very likely still in the chair in the white cube in the bottom of the lake
azure bay
The death in paradox was in paradox, within dales head
Laura kills herself in her house in a memory in The Cave. UB revealed that she was missing her mother too much.
Laura is Dead in Case 23, The Mill, Theatre and TWD
daring cloud
Right the case 23 one I can’t argue with….
rancid slate
If all Paradox endings are canon, then Laura gets revived after Paradox (Green vial ending) and that would be why she's alive again in post- Collection scene in UB
That's what Nowhere is saying
daring cloud
The mill I can, She gets corrupted which sort of brings her alive again
it’s confusing
ohhhh
i don’t think i’ve seen the part of UB your talking about
azure bay
You need to finish the post-game section and arrange the cubes in CEC order
daring cloud
I have done that, I just can’t remember what happens after that for the life of me
azure bay
Which takes Crow and suddenly living Laura after Dale to the Hotel
honest rain
My theory is that Laura will reappear after Underground Blossom as ||a lady|| once more (unless the lake surprises us somehow)
gloomy spruce
If I recall correctly, Harvey was seen since paradise (I'm pretty sure that was b4 everything else) & he might have gotten enlightened along with the rest of the family. This isn't unusual, we do see other humanoid animals like the bat, so I'm assuming the same would've happened to Harvey
rancid slate
Just an achievement, for now
Mr. Toad and Bat were confirmed to be human by the devs
gloomy spruce
Ah alr
Okay wait so the only 2 characters that were initially animals are the dog (& nothing happened to him physically apart from immortality) & Harvey, right?
rancid slate
Harvey is still not confirmed
Besides the achievement, his earliest appearence is in Hotel 1893
gloomy spruce
But we've never seen sum1 who was initially human turn fully into an animal
rancid slate
But we've never seen sum1 who was initially human turn fully into an animal
Depends on how you see the moment Harvey become a regular parrot
gloomy spruce
i thougth we saw albus do it
Aldous?
gloomy spruce
Depends on how you see the moment Harvey become a regular parrot
?
gloomy spruce
my brain's struggling to remember names
Lol i feel u
gloomy spruce
The breakout scene in 1894
Oh like how he flies out?
rancid slate
How he goes from asura to tiryag (regular animal)
gloomy spruce
Ohk
rancid slate
If you look very closely, you will see that there's Mr. Owl doing the T-pose and something on the ground next to him
Right before the beam of light and animal Harvey
We believe the thing on the ground is Harvey's dead body after he was attacked by csouls
And Mr. Owl revives him as a regular parrot
daring cloud
was CE theatre like dales version of samara room? it didn’t change his menory nor did it really make any good/bad ones (apart from whatever happened to bob) yet it does teach him about the wheel of life and past lives
rancid slate
Well, Samsara Room doesn't really teach people about the Samsara realms
rancid slate
was CE theatre like dales version of samara room? it didn’t change his menory no...
It changes the stage plays to represent each realm
Most likely only the first one happened in the original event
And the others are part of the alteration
Same goes for the drinks besides the Bloody Mary which Bob ordered fr and also shoot himself fr
daring cloud
So why does Dale need to know the samara realms to be the ruler of the lake?
rancid slate
Mr. Owl says at the start
daring cloud
Oh right
rancid slate
Something about the present, past and future
daring cloud
A place to clear the mind blah blah blah mr owl stuff
rancid slate
I feel like it's also a good lore sequel to Birthday
Birthday introduces the concepts of the sancrits and corrupted souls seeking for substances of their past lives
Theatre shows all 6 realms and goes a little futher on the substances in the first play
The next game, Roots, pretty much is also about a corrupted soul looking for subtances (the sacirifces) in order to get enlightened
daring cloud
I need to replay the cube escapes wow
rancid slate
The three form a natural "lore expansion" arc
daring cloud
What if 2 corrupted souls substances overlap? Like 2 corrupted souls need the same item?
rancid slate
Well, they could find a way to work together or fight for it (it all comes down to fighting, lol)
daring cloud
Rusty Lake: WWE
rancid slate
Or maybe one can use it after the other, depending on what it is
daring cloud
I had a question but I forgot…
wind axle
wait i had some art of dale giving a corrupted soul a steel chair
rancid slate
I had a question but I forgot…
I know a place that could help you with that
daring cloud
I know a place that could help you with that
Does it have fishing? I like fishing.
rancid slate
Lost of fishing
daring cloud
Sweet, Just as long as I don’t get attacked by murderous shadows.
rancid slate
Don't worry, our butler will protect you
daring cloud
Wait with the beam of white light in the breakout, the beam is known to destroy corrupted souls so why didn’t it destroy all the corrupted souls in the breakout?
rancid slate
The beam doesn't do that
It's the opposite, in a way
Mr. Rabbut flashes and beams come out of him
daring cloud
CE Lake makes it seems like it does
rancid slate
daring cloud
I guess it is circumstantial?
daring cloud
Not Mr. Owl's beam <:LauraTroll:827205600999768065>
Mr owl is horrible at making beams, at least he didn’t build the hotel
(he got the fish to do it)
rancid slate
He hired a lot of people to build it
Them killed and extracted all their memories
The last bricks are actually their cubes
daring cloud
Load bearing cubes
rancid slate
Covered in gray paint
daring cloud
I’ll replay the games then come back so I can refresh my memory… perhaps clear my mind.
wind axle
so wait, harvey is considered an african grey parrot right-
why the green feathers?
are they special. XD
i can't find anything about an african grey having green feathers
rancid slate
Jarvey has red feathers
daring cloud
Jarvey has red feathers
Is Jarvey Harveys evil cousin?
How come Hotel happens in 1893 yet the breakout is in 1891?
daring cloud
The souls cant break out if they arnt even corrupted yet, nor have they been captured
rancid slate
How come Hotel happens in 1893 yet the breakout is in 1891?
The breakout is in 1894
daring cloud
The breakout is in 1894
the breakout happens at the same time as The Search in roots, no?
rancid slate
The Roots search level must have a timeskip from 1891 to 1894 because it would make no sense for Emma to stop searching in the same season Frank disappears
daring cloud
oh
rancid slate
There was a discussion about this some time ago, we concluded that the Search starts in 1891 right after the previous level, so that's why it doesn't say 1894 in the game
We know the breakout indeed happened in 1894 because that's the year in birthday :p
daring cloud
i was just writing out a timeline but i realised something... if mr owl is in the cave in 1972 when Laura died and Bob goes to TWD how does mr owl get to TWD so fast?
daring cloud
Oh, right.
rancid slate
Laura died in october 1971 too
Even tho Case 23 most likely ends before TWD, I think Mr. Owl still goes down in the Lake after TWD
And either arrives "on time" to protect Dale because there's no time in the Lake
Or Dale "waits" a bit in the bottom until Mr. Owl arrives
daring cloud
hm, alright... ill continue with the timeline then
ty!
the timeline is as follows right?
Events of Paradise
William and Aldous drink the elixir, Killing William
Events of Roots until Masks/The Clock
Events of Arles
Events of Roots until The Search/The Wedding Photo
Events of Hotel
Corrupted souls breakout of the hotel
Events of Roots (Until The Stars)
Dale Vandermeer is born
Events of Roots
Events of Samsara Room
Laura is 'born'
Events of Underground Blossom (in its own metaphorical way)
Dales parents are killed at his 9th birthday party
(Time skip)
Events of Cube Escape: Harvey's Box
Events of Cube Escape: The Lake
Laura dies
Events of Cube Escape: Case 23
Events of Cube Escape: The Mill
Events of The White Door
Events of Cube Escape: The Cave
Events of Paradox
Events of Cube Escape: Birthday
Events of Cube Escape: Theater
Events of Cube Escape: Seasons
I had trouble with figuring out if Birthday or Theater went first and the placement of Seasons and Birthday, if they should go when the memory took place or when the memory was being viewed. I would like to make sure I have a basic understanding of the order of the timeline before adding dates (sorry if this is a lengthy message)
daring cloud
oh true as it also covers her death/corruption
rancid slate
Crib Station
Child Lane
School Street
Bird Bridge Station
Research Facility
Sorrow Cross
Soul Street
The Lake
And maybe esch season of Seasons too
daring cloud
I may make an updated one for myself later sometime as it is getting late
daring cloud
if someone dies from the elixir but they have bad memories left behind that could cause corruption of the soul- could they get corrupted? Follow up question- Why did william become a corrupted soul instead of just dying?
rancid slate
Because he died 🔥
daring cloud
But what determines if someone dies or dies and corrupts?
rancid slate
Maybe the Elixir corrupts those who die?
daring cloud
a corrupted soul is just the embodiment of the black cube, no?
i swear i remember hearing that in one of the games
rancid slate
Maybe the Elixir corrupts those who die?
Nvm I remembered James
rancid slate
a corrupted soul is just the embodiment of the black cube, no?
They are connected because of both being negative
But I don't think it's really a rule
daring cloud
if someone dies from the elixir but they have bad memories left behind that cou...
so the answer is yes and i guess we will find out in SOTL
rancid slate
Well, SotL happens some time way before they reach the final stages of the Elixir
I expect elixir lore but not them drinking it
daring cloud
well we don’t know what negative memories william could have, i assume we would find out if we are staying in his house for the weekend
daring cloud
no. wait i think i found something
has nobody actually looked at this photo?
like
it's aldous and the grandma from inside the mill
alexandra?
and aldous still has his mouth stitched shut, meaning it was sometime around Case 23
rancid slate
it's aldous and the grandma from inside the mill
The old lady is his wife
daring cloud
Aldous had a wife?
rancid slate
"Fix the mysterious machine connected to the Mill in anticipation of a familiar guest. Explore the different floors, prepare dinner for your wife [...]"
From the game's description
rancid slate
alexandra?
Back then, people thought it couldve been Rose
(Which actually matches in age, imo)
daring cloud
I can see why people could think that but wow it shows how far the lore has come.
How come none of the family trees go back to Aldous, William and Alexandra? The family tree in CE: Cave goes to James and Roots goes to James (The secret ending is just elixir lore)
rancid slate
Have you watched the narrative trailer?
daring cloud
I'll go do that.
God- What problems does William have?
Apart from that the trailer does answer alot of my questions.
But how come Aldouses wife has only ever been seen in CE: Mill?
rancid slate
Well
We only go to the mill in CE The Mill 
And, if she is normal, she is between 60-80 id say
So she would only be born by 1890-1910
Nothing happened from 1935 to 1964 until the release of Underground Blossom
daring cloud
Unless she lives there and processes the memories of the bodies that come through.
rancid slate
And most games after 1935 dont take place in Rusty Lake
daring cloud
Oh- so there has been no opportunity for us to see her?
rancid slate
So if she appeared in 1890-1910-1935 she would be way younger while Aldous would still look like an old man
rancid slate
Oh- so there has been no opportunity for us to see her?
There was on the 2nd half of Roots
I think she may only reappear as a funny easter egg or if they find a way to fit her in a "bigger lore role" other than making items in exchange of food 
How would you do it?
daring cloud
Well she would only fit in if she is of the lakes nature, as why would Aldous marry someone that he knows he will have to watch die? So she would probably need to be enlightened then she can be added in as a full character.
rancid slate
I mean, even asuras can die (Hotel)
daring cloud
True, I guess it depends what happens after the enlightenment that matters.
Is the mill only used for memory processing?
rancid slate
I think that, if she was even older (due to an elixir) it would make things a bit weirder cuz that would mean she would have even more opportunities of appearing and just not show up 🫠
She's just shy /j
daring cloud
Hunting ducks in the lake
rancid slate
Is the mill *only* used for memory processing?
Probably used for tha farm
It is also said to be Aldous's residence
So he might live there
daring cloud
3 rooms, 0 bed 0 bath. Horrible residence.
rancid slate
"Welcome to the Rusty Lake Mill, the residence of Mr. Crow."
rancid slate
3 rooms, 0 bed 0 bath. Horrible residence.
He sleeps in a big crow nest, trust
daring cloud
I could see that actually. Then William would come and throw rocks at his nest.
rancid slate
Lol
daring cloud
I'm interested in what is in the room William was pounding on with a hammer now.
After the breakout why did the souls decide to reside at the bottom of the lake? Or is that just where corrupted souls go?
Also what unit does the submarine use for depth? 50 what? Potatos? How deep does this damn lake go?
rancid slate
I'm interested in what is in the room William was pounding on with a hammer now.
If they still consider the Roots layout, I would say that's the Uncle level room
rancid slate
After the breakout why did the souls decide to reside at the bottom of the lake?...
I think they are all in the bottom spiritually
But on the surface physically
You can see them in the Roots paitinh
rancid slate
Also what unit does the submarine use for depth? 50 what? Potatos? How deep does...
Percentage × 2
50 is 100% deep, 40 is 80% deep, 00 is 0% deep
daring cloud
50 is 100% deep, 40 is 80% deep, 00 is 0% deep <:LauraTroll:827205600999768065>
Well I was thinking- seeing as Dales, Lauras and Bobs homes are/were in New York (?) it would be the imperial system. So I'll say 50 is 50 Yards... which means that the lake is ~50 yeards deep.
Which asks- Is the forest at the bottom of the lake metaphorical or is there an actual forest there?
rancid slate
Id say the water lake is a portal that leads/connrcts to the forest lake
rancid slate
Well I was thinking- seeing as Dales, Lauras and Bobs homes are/were in New York...
I think it's just for the puzzle with a bit of immersion
daring cloud
I like overthinking little details.
daring cloud
Why did Aldous get his mouth stitched shut?
daring cloud
Also is the blue cube considered a memory like the white and black cubes or is it the action of changing the past?
daring cloud
Ohhhh
rancid slate
Maybe they have a memory in it that is related to time
daring cloud
Well that helps my next question: In CE: Cave how did the blue cube get into the lake if Dale hadn't completed Birthday yet?
rancid slate
Cave shows the clock
rancid slate
Well that helps my next question: In CE: Cave how did the blue cube get into the...
There are many blue cubes, not just one
daring cloud
It would be strange to grab one that isnt from Dale's adventure nor does the game show the creation of any other blue cubes.
rancid slate
The Book also does not relate the blue cube in Cave to anyone, so it does not belong to Laura nor Dale
daring cloud
Oh
rancid slate
It would be strange to grab one that isnt from Dale's adventure nor does the gam...
We also use a blue cube in Seasons
daring cloud
I forgot about that.
rancid slate
We need more blue cube appearences 
daring cloud
And an explanation on the gold cube!
rancid slate
The golden cube is a white cube but with yellow paint for the game journalists
daring cloud
I have a feeling Mr. Crow just made the gold cube to artifically inflate the rusty lake economy and help his rich club....
So do we know who this is?
rancid slate
That's Russell L. Menial fishing
daring cloud
I have a feeling that is a joke or reference and I'm not getting it...
rancid slate
So do we know who this is?
Might just be a minor character like the Policeman, the Newscaster, Theatre lady and Aldous's wife
daring cloud
wait what does the phone number in TWD do? i dont wana call it
rancid slate
Im not sure if it still works but it should say that they dont accept calls anymore and you should enter in contact using the website, I think
azure bay
wait what does the phone number in TWD do? i dont wana call it
an ARG
wheat ore
<@&358613639554400258>
untold stump
thanks for the ping !
daring cloud
Where did the submarine come from? And what maniac built it? A cube-shaped submarine is a death wish
rancid slate
Probably Aldous or the Hotel crew built it
daring cloud
How did they have the technology to harness the cubes if they didn’t even know the cubes existed yet?
rancid slate
Im pretty confident "everyone" knows about cubes atleast since Paradise
daring cloud
Oh I need to replay paradise- I forgot all about the cubes in it
rancid slate
Caroline's book mentions memory extraction too
daring cloud
The book wasnt found until CE: Cave (Unless it was used for the elixir in SOTL/Roots) so they couldn’t know about it (I doubt they would get any info from the eilandeers now that they’re gone)
rancid slate
Im pretty sure they did not find the Cave in 1972
The book has their family, Aldous, Laura and Dale
These are probably new pages written by the Hotel crew
In the Paradox film, you can also see that Aldous and William signed her Book
And even now, in SotL, the Book appears in one of the paintings, hinting they already own it
Besides, even if they didnt have the Book
We already see Cubes in the ending of RL Hotel
Even Mrs. Pigeon knew about memory extraction
daring cloud
The timeline hurts my head
rancid slate
I think it's quite linear 
wind axle
Question, what year does the current RL take place? I assume the latest was like 1981 or whatever year seasons was in winter?
I'm asking like what's the most... "Modern" RL game? Idk how to describe it
rancid slate
Question, what year does the current RL take place? I assume the latest was like...
1984 (The Past Within, Future) or the 2000s if you count the ARGs
2025 if you consider the Intern/MRMS
wind axle
what is MRMS?
rancid slate
Mr Rabbit Magic Show
daring cloud
I think it's quite linear <:mrowl:668415042424668196>
with all the overlapping events it is confusing imo
rancid slate
There isnt much up to the 60-70s
wind axle
ah gotcha
rancid slate
There isnt much up to the 60-70s
At most 1894, 1926 and 1935
daring cloud
At most 1894, 1926 and 1935
Roots fills that gap, no?
Oh no wait
Roots ends 1930-ish
rancid slate
It ends on 1935
1894, 1926 and 1935 are some of the few years before 1964 that appear in more than one game
1894 - Birthday/Roots
1926 - Roots/TPW
1935 - Roots/SR/UB
So it should be easier to know what events happen before the Laura/Dale story
daring cloud
The whole Laura/Dale story happens 1970 and beyond right?
rancid slate
Also I thought about something.. if in UB there's a station called "Rusty Lake" then does that mean Rose has already left RL in Crib Station? 
rancid slate
The whole Laura/Dale story happens 1970 and beyond right?
Yeah, 1971-1972 but you can also include 1964 and 1969
1969 is revisited in many games too
daring cloud
I should probably make the timeline with dates so I can better remember...
rancid slate
Definetely
daring cloud
Woah I thought the game started in the 1800's- I didn't realise it went to the 1700's
wind axle
yeah i think that's paradise
daring cloud
in that case harvey is over 200 years old i think
daring cloud
How much time is there between each plauge in Paradise?
rancid slate
Between days and possibly months
We see all seasons
So maybe it even goes to 1797
daring cloud
And nobody wondered what happened David between the 3rd and 4th plauges?
rancid slate
I remember that Margaret says something like "Go find your brother"
daring cloud
I remember that Margaret says something like "Go find your brother"
Oh right, she gets stuck in the pot and we try to cook her alive.
Sometimes I think even the devs don't know the lore... /nbr
azure bay
And nobody wondered what happened David between the 3rd and 4th plauges?
If they know the plagues well, I think they have a good idea about David's whereabouts and that he's probably gonna be ok
daring cloud
How come Jakob didn't have to go through a samsara room? He was reborn. no?
Killed in the fire, reborn as Jakob/Mr.Owl
wind axle
maybe it was immediate for him-
daring cloud
Then the Eilanders would know who Mr.Owl is and wouldn't stay at the hotel.
wind axle
true honestly but maybe they lost their memory of him? actually idk if the animals remember who they were before that [aside from mr crow and mr owl]
daring cloud
Good point- We don't know if people keep their memories after rebirth/transformation (As you said, Mr crow and Mr owl are the exception. We also don't see the hotel guest's human forms so it could be that their form removes their memories)
daring cloud
We don't know Harvey's backstory, we just know he his half-bird/half-anthropomorphic (I can't remember the lore term) and they can't change form freely.
wind axle
i think [or maybe this is just a headcanon] mr owl and mr crow kept their memories because they didn't eventually turn into corrupted souls or didn't have the ... requirements or whatever to turn into corrupted souls, like they were 'pure' i guess idk how to describe it
the other animals like mr deer and all them did
daring cloud
It could work
We don't see that Aldous has any guilt from killing William (and potentially Alexandra) so he has no reason to corrupt.
You need at least 1 black cube/bad memory to corrupt, but for the corruption to actually happen there are multiple different ways: Death, Memory extraction, Whatever the hell happened to Bob.
There is a way to un-corrupt (unless Bob just didn't corrupt fully, I'm unsure on that)
Or the white door just has really good therapy.
wind axle
yeah
speaking of which question
Mr Rabbit [the magic show version/brown version] exists, but why was his corrupted self yknow... different? [since he's the white one that also yknow emptied a round to dale's birthday party], normally corrupted souls are like shadowy versions with the white eyes and stuff, but it seems like mr rabbit changed completely
daring cloud
We don't know if The Mr Rabbit Magic Show is canon as it is set in the Rusty Lake office so if it was canon it would mean all the Rusty Lake devs and employees are characters in the lore. The game was made for the Rusty Lake 10 year anniversary.
wind axle
i thought that it was confirmed a while ago that they were the same person
could be wrong tho
daring cloud
I didn't hear that but I'll look. /nbr
wind axle
all good
daring cloud
He sort of does have the traditional corrupted soul look but I'm not sure where the suit came from. (The image is from hotel)
wind axle
ah
daring cloud
But I'm not exactly sure so take everything I say with a grain of salt.
wind axle
yeah he's got the fuzzy/fur texture thing
the souls have i mean
i actually have no idea what hte fuzzy texture is in terms of corrupted souls
i just assume it's like... the physical corruption
but just a physical fuzziness
daring cloud
The physical representation of their unstable soul?
daring cloud
You need at least 1 black cube/bad memory to corrupt, but for the corruption to ...
Going back to this- Uncorruption is most likely possible as in CE: Lake we see a half-corrupted person that we fish out of the lake so I don't see why uncorruption is possible if half-corruption is.
wind axle
yeah
hmmm
i completely forgot about htat half corrupted guy
who the hell was tha tguy anyway
daring cloud
I got no clue.
wind axle
i assume a rando
daring cloud
We don't know if The Mr Rabbit Magic Show is canon as it is set in the Rusty Lak...
(I honestly forgot the brown version was also in hotel-)
wind axle
ye
daring cloud
Do we see the same happen with any of the other hotel guests?
wind axle
i actually have no idea but they seem to be different than regular corrupted souls, unless that's just what a corrupted animal soul looks like [the black fuzziness and white eyes]
daring cloud
I'm pretty sure all corrupted souls have a bit of fuzziness
wind axle
but to my knowledge white rabbit is the only one who... kinda did that.
makes me think that rabbit isn't pure but he's not fully corrupted either
or at least he wasn't
daring cloud
Wait if you need a bad memory to corrupt then why did the hotel guests corrupt? None of them seemed to feel guilty about killing Jakob or Caroline....
wind axle
hmm
maybe harvey had somethin to do with it. /silly in all honesty idk
hmmm
maybe they secretly did /silly
/very much a j i highly doubt they secretly did
daring cloud
When Sp (The senior mod) is online they may be able to help as they are very knowledgeable on the lore.
wind axle
yeah
daring cloud
¯_(ツ)_/¯
wind axle
lololol
daring cloud
Also what bad memories could Vincent Van Gogh have to corrupt?
wind axle
part of me wonders if Bob ever had or has the chance [doubt it cause he drank the bloody mary] to ascend via samsara room, what animal would he be
wind axle
Also what bad memories could Vincent Van Gogh have to corrupt?
oh van gogh's life was ass.
well it was very bad.
daring cloud
I am not up to date on my rusty lake or real world history
wind axle
poverty, rejection from his girlfriend [i think], which led to the whole... ear thing [it wasn't his whole ear btw, it was actually just a part of it but still], mental illness, etc
depressionz.
daring cloud
Wow
wind axle
very very sad guy
daring cloud
Maybe it's that you corrupt if you die after you're enlightened? OR the guests have their subtances of their past lives unbalanced?
daring cloud
I don't understand how the gun was a substance of Mr. Rabbit's past life as David never used a gun...
daring cloud
He was shot with a bow and arrow though
wind axle
maybe something happened while he was mr rabbit [the regular one]
maybe the gun is a modern equivalent of a bow and arrow. XD
daring cloud
That could be it
wind axle
we're pinking with thortals /silly
daring cloud
How come we havn't seen the other guests trying to balance their substances yet then?
daring cloud
I guess we havn't seen a fully corrupted soul try to balance substances before...
wind axle
or stuck in their... sins/mental health stuff
yeah true
well idk if bob was fully corrupted in the white door
to my knowledge he wasn't
daring cloud
I don't think he was...
wind axle
hmmmmmmm
he didn't turn bald /silly
or at least i don't remember him being bald actually
daring cloud
But then why was Mr. Rabbit the exception? How did he manage to get to balancing his substances faster than the others?
wind axle
hmmm
maybe he figured it out
with the 'i need this gun i'm sorry man' lmao
or
whatever he needed from dale
i forgot what he needed
daring cloud
Also what were the corrupted souls of the guests doing around the cave in CE: Cave?
It was a gun.
daring cloud
We don't even know if the white Mr. Rabbit is corrupted since he doesn't take the traditional corrupted look.
wind axle
idk either but he looks like he's got the same fuzzy texture but it coudl also just be fur
idk
daring cloud
shoved into the bottom of the lake iirc
Many people believe the souls are down there spiritually but on the surface physically.
wind axle
yeah
daring cloud
Which could be a metaphor for "drowning in regret" as you need a bad memory to corrupt
daring cloud
It all boils down to Mr Rabbit's design difference.
wind axle
yeeee
daring cloud
Anyway- If I see Sp online I'll ask them. Or you can
wind axle
actually wait i do have a question
i assume he's just an easter egg because i can't remmber if he's an actual guy or not but is the rowing man [from the RL logo] like an actual guy or is he just the logo
an existing guy
actually even better question, does he have a name
assuming it's a he
daring cloud
i assume he's just an easter egg because i can't remmber if he's an actual guy o...
i think its just for the logo
rancid slate
How come Jakob didn't have to go through a samsara room? He was reborn. no?
He mightve did it if Samsara Room is actually a canon thing, it just doesnt show. Just like William in Roots
But I dont think he was reborn
He keeps being Jakob, so he must have been ressurrected by Caroline's elixir too
rancid slate
Then the Eilanders would know who Mr.Owl is and wouldn't stay at the hotel.
I think they would tbh, Mr. Owl is literally continuing and improving Paradise so for them he's a good man
And we dont know Jakob's intentions and feelings in Paradise
He might be exactly where he wants to
He may have looked scared as a child, but he didnt try to escape nor denied being sacrificed
It was all Caroline
rancid slate
i thought that it was confirmed a while ago that they were the same person
Yes, in Paradox
(David)
Hotel basically already confirms the csoul is him
I see no reason to doubt 
rancid slate
Wait if you need a bad memory to corrupt then why did the hotel guests corrupt? ...
Needing a bad memory isnt really a stated requirement, but they do have them as the Hotel ending shows. Their bad memory is probably their death and they corrupt because their memories were extracted
rancid slate
part of me wonders if Bob ever had or has the chance [doubt it cause he drank th...
I Underground Blossom answers that 
rancid slate
I don't understand how the gun was a substance of Mr. Rabbit's past life as Davi...
It is also the same gun from Ms. Pheasant's room, both worked at the Theater too
And with Paradise, we know they are siblings too
Although they dont show any connection in the game
I dont think they even appear next to each other.. besides when the whole family is together
rancid slate
How come we havn't seen the other guests trying to balance their substances yet ...
I think one doing it is enough
Imagine other 4 games that are the same concept but with a different character 
If there's an opportunity, maybe
But I dont think it's needed
rancid slate
I guess we havn't seen a fully corrupted soul try to balance substances before.....
There's Laura (Seasons) and William
Technically Bob helped by Sarah
The term "full" corrupted soul doesnt really exist
But there is a difference in the games
Souls that have no legs
They seem to be in a deeper stage of corruption
These are Laura in The Mill, Emma and Caroline
Maybe the guests too, including Mr. Rabbit in Hotel
And also the unknown csoul from Roots
rancid slate
We don't even know if the white Mr. Rabbit is corrupted since he doesn't take th...
There's also the possibilty he's alive again but still corrupted inside
Like Dale in Paradox, Cave and Theatre
He flashes corruption
Bob also does that
They are alive, but they can be helped
rancid slate
But then why was Mr. Rabbit the exception? How did he manage to get to balancing...
There's a theory Mr. Rabbit time travelled to Birthday
But I dont know if direct time travel is a thing in Rusty Lake
rancid slate
i assume he's just an easter egg because i can't remmber if he's an actual guy o...
He may be the fisherman from CE The Cave
Maybe Aldous or Jakob too
🚣
Oh wait
daring cloud
There's a theory Mr. Rabbit time travelled to Birthday
Woah- thank you for the clarification! Just came back to like 8 pings
wind axle
I Underground Blossom answers that <:MrMemoryWink:1050086240868896788>
I played UB and I genuinely can't remember lol
rancid slate
I played UB and I genuinely can't remember lol
wind axle
i thought that was more of a representation BUT i can see it
rancid slate
It probably is but yeah if he ever becomes an asura I think he'll still be a robin
daring cloud
Needing a bad memory isnt really a stated requirement, but they do have them as ...
well we havnt seen otherwise so i would assume its a requirement until i see an example of someone corrupting without bad memories (sorry if this sounded rude, that isnt my intention)
rancid slate
I think it's more of "A then B" situation rather than "B needs A"
I also think it's impossible to have only good memories
daring cloud
i don’t think we can use real world logic in a game where people drink a potion to turn into half-human/half-animal beings and people’s memories are in cubes
daring cloud
I think it's more of "A then B" situation rather than "B needs A"
Bad memory then corruption? Wouldn’t it be A then B then C as we see people with bad memories but the corruption is caused by memory extraction or death
rancid slate
It's not a rule
For example, Rose extracts a black cube in UB Lab
And doesnt corrupt
daring cloud
Oh.
rancid slate
So I would say it is "Negative things often results into corruption"
rancid slate
And doesnt corrupt
Maybe it's because she wanted to extract?
daring cloud
So it’s dependant on the goal? People who can corrupt would probably be irrational or depressed so they can’t think straight but Rose had a set goal for the extraction.
rancid slate
So it’s dependant on the goal? People who can corrupt would probably be irration...
Maybe..
outer onyx
Yoo did you ban the guy
daring cloud
Is the bat we see in Cave the same Mr Bat as in Hotel just in a different form?
rancid slate
So maybe William really really did not want to die and didnt even needed an extraction
Corruption speedrun
rancid slate
Is the bat we see in Cave the same Mr Bat as in Hotel just in a different form?
Naked Mr. Bat /j
I dont know, the bat seems a little smaller but it's literally the same sprites as Mr. Bat
Normal crows dont reuse Mr. Crow's head
daring cloud
I guess we don’t have evidence saying otherwise so I would assume its the same bat
rancid slate
That's his home
daring cloud
I mean it is a cave so it would be
How come William is the only corrupted soul we know can go ‘invisible’?
rancid slate
To explain that, we would have to look deeply into all the other csouls
I think Nowhere and others believe some of the "surreal" things in Rusty Lake are not seen by anyone
These would be asuras, the hand, corrupted souls and maybe other stuff
daring cloud
Hallucinations?
rancid slate
Like in Child's play, looking like as if Emma, Albert and Samuel cant see Mr. Crow behind them
daring cloud
Oh yeah
rancid slate
Personally, I think anyone can see them as there hasn't been any direct "I cant see you" moment yet
But for William in Roots? I dunno
daring cloud
William still has pretty good control over his soul/body after corruption which also seems weird to me
Most corrupted souls don’t
UB Laura doesn’t count.
rancid slate
He does break the mirror in the bathroom and makes blood appear on the mirror but maybe that's a passive effect
rancid slate
UB Laura doesn’t count.
Does Caroline count?
daring cloud
I suppose so, she lead Jakob to the memories and helped him (?) so she can control her motive and thoughts
rancid slate
Both of them discovering the Elixir
Nerds
Where is our James game where he is corrupted and isnt hostile too?
daring cloud
James died and his dog was enlightened, We don’t know James’ goal for drinking the elixir apart from “fuck around and find out” so he would’ve just died i assume
rancid slate
What if the birb soul is James..
daring cloud
Which bird? There are many birds around the lake
daring cloud
Oh that one
Corrupted forms are caused by what people looked like before they corrupted, Humans turn into a humanoid figure, The hotel guests turned into an animal shaped figure, etc
rancid slate
Yeah so that would mean this one was an asura too
daring cloud
So unless James was a bird I have doubts /j
We also havnt seen that asure anywhere (I don’t think)
Maybe it’s a one off character for the sake of story progression?
daring cloud
Oh
rancid slate
Maybe it’s a one off character for the sake of story progression?
I think it will return in Albert's next game
In its both appearances, it "helps" us to give the masks to Albert
daring cloud
Well you need to be enlightened to be an asure so who would enlighten into a bird asure thing?
Then could they corrupt?
rancid slate
Some think it's Aldous
daring cloud
We do see aldous after the event though don’t we?
rancid slate
But its appearences are both before (1885) and after (1900 I think?) Hotel (1893)
rancid slate
We do see aldous after the event though don’t we?
Yeah but corruption isnt permanent
Anyway, he would have to corrupt 2 times
So I don't think it's him
It also shouldn't be Young Bird because of Hotel
And probably not Mr. Owl
So, from our current cast of known characters, it could be:
•Lacus Fleo
•Caroline...?
•James??
•Alexandra
daring cloud
Lacus Fleo? Isn’t that the cactus?
rancid slate
The painter
daring cloud
Oh
Caroline could fit the role as Paradise is known for everyone having their animal yet Caroline’s animal was an owl
rancid slate
So, from our current cast of known characters, it could be:
•Lacus Fleo
•Carolin...
Technically there's a 5th option
The csoul from Servant of the Lake
daring cloud
I would say james doesn’t have any goal for enlightenment yet we would probably find out his goals in SOTL or something that leads to it
rancid slate
And maybe the Maid or the Coachman too
rancid slate
I would say james doesn’t have any goal for enlightenment yet we would probably ...
Baby James is gonna talk??
daring cloud
Baby James is gonna talk??
Something could happen that gives him a goal. Something that makes a pathway? Im throwing it at the wall here
rancid slate
His goal in SotL will be to get milk
daring cloud
Better than the wine Albert will get
Wait since we play as William in Roots doesn’t that mean William gave Albert the wine?
rancid slate
William did everything then
We play from his perspective but not all actions are his
daring cloud
Alright
The csoul in sotl is probably Alexandra since I think we know she is going to die.
rancid slate
I don't think so
And I hope not too, cuz that would mean there's still another character to know :)
And it would be pretty odd for them to reveal her dead already
daring cloud
She isn’t seen in future games and at the dinner there is a giant chandelier above her
daring cloud
We see the rope holding it up in the foreground.
rancid slate
Exactly
daring cloud
I think it’ll be another hotel situation with aldous as Mr owl this time
rancid slate
How would that help the overall story tho?
With Dale, Laura and the Day of the Lake
daring cloud
It would make it more complicated actually as that means that Aldous doesn’t feel
guilt for killing his family to enlighten himself…
rancid slate
I think Alexandra has more potential than giving birth to James and being intentionally killed by us
daring cloud
Guilt is a bad memory most of the time but Mr crow hasn’t died or had memories extracted so we don’t have proof he feels anything
daring cloud
I think Alexandra has more potential than giving birth to James and being intent...
If the lady of the lake isn’t a permanent role then she could fit the role?
rancid slate
On its second teaser of the game, the main theme also seemed to be Alchemy
daring cloud
Well they are trying to make the elixir (and failing)
azure bay
If the lady of the lake isn’t a permanent role then she could fit the role?
gosh we know so little about Lady of the Lake title there's no use guessing
daring cloud
gosh we know so little about Lady of the Lake title there's no use guessing
True
rancid slate
Well they are trying to make the elixir (and failing)
They must know or discover something we dont
daring cloud
I suppose it is all a waiting game
azure bay
my biggest guess so far they are making some youth potion
rancid slate
Because of the hair color?
azure bay
even Aldous isn't completely bald anymore during the big dinner
rancid slate
I think the gray one is not her hair but something covering it
daring cloud
A wig!
rancid slate
Like those things cookers wear on their heads so hair doesnt fall on the food
daring cloud
Oh- A hairnet?
rancid slate
forget Alexandra, Aldous has growth on his scalp!
Doesnt he have it when sleeping? (side view)
daring cloud
forget Alexandra, Aldous has growth on his scalp!
But now I can’t use his head as a mirror :(
rancid slate
Are yoy suuurree
azure bay
fine
azure bay
still weird there's a different sprite for his enface
rancid slate
Oh- A hairnet?
Yes
daring cloud
So what happened to Caroline after Paradise?
rancid slate
I think her soul died fr in the end of it
She turns into small black blobs as if she was evaporated or something
azure bay
I wouldn't be so sure
It's not how samsara wprks it seems
"you can't die! You didn't suffer through your eternity!"
rancid slate
It's not how samsara wprks it seems
Yeah
honest rain
So since the collective animals are in the 'cycle of samsara' (in-story), are there any ways to 'break' the cycle- or are they stuck like that for the next quadrillion years or so? Maybe either Dale or Laura will break the cycle next
rancid slate
So since the collective animals are in the 'cycle of samsara' (in-story), are th...
Have you played The Past Within?
Or Underground Blossom too
honest rain
I have not played "The Past Within" (because I can only play single-player games) and I haven't started Underground Blossom yet.
rancid slate
I see
rancid slate
So since the collective animals are in the 'cycle of samsara' (in-story), are th...
Well, it isnt confirmed yet but there's a "new" concept in these two games I mentioned that may be outside the cycle..
distant mirage
I've been curious, @dim edge , how much of the whole world with Mr Crow and Mr Owl and the elixir and the non-Mr Crow Vanderboom brother did you have in mind when you did Cube Escape: Seasons?
dim edge
Hi Guys this channel is mainly for you guys to discuss about Rusty Lake theories. It won't be doable for us to answer these quesions and we prefer to tell the story in our games. We hope to do some Q & A sessions here on Discord from time to time 😃
distant mirage
Oh well
I'm a writer, stuff like that always interests me, but I guess it will remain part of the mystery of Rusty Lake
dim edge
@distant mirage We designed a lot of the characters on the way. We set out a plan for Rusty Lake while releasing Seasons and The Lake, but first we had to see if people liked those games first 😃
ruby shard
When it comes to the half-animal/half-human characters, I often perceived them in a way similar to Blacksad, where they aren't so much animals as they are just people who resemble animals, people who you can't help, but see as animals. I'm just wondering what the intention with them is since there are normal humans in the games and the half-animals seem to be a touch more mystical?
Like, Mr.Crow and Mr.Owl clearly show some sort of more benevolent/knowing presense. And all of the guests in Hotel got killed off in the end of the game, if I remember correctly, so I just have to wonder if there was any real symbolic meaning to them? Were they spirits or was it a question of point-of-view?
Or am I reading too much into this and was it a matter of 'design on the way' as you mentioned before @dim edge ?
cold siren
@ruby shard I dont think rustylake will be spoiling too much, this was created to discuss theories, not for them to answer questions
ruby shard
I know, I know, but I was hoping for a push in the right direction?
What do you think?
wild mural
I bet there's a lot of point-of-view in there. I'd love to know if Samsara Room plays into the games at all or if that was an early-concept idea that has nothing to do with the current universe. Or is it early-concept, but it will be worked in later...
cold siren
I used to see mr. Crow and mr. Owl as some sort of spiritual guides, but I got confused about this since I played the Hotel
vague imp
What is samsara room? :o
cold siren
I remember I took some conclusions in the end of the game, but I cant quite remember now
wild mural
I can see Hotel as being extremely metaphorical. The guests weren't literally killed, they shared ideas, and the more deeply you understood the ideas (the more you explored), the better you could share them with others (the better dishes you could make), and the higher-quality the memories extracted were.
Samsara room is...let me see if I can post the link, idk if I can, hang on.
wild mural
Enjoy!
I believe, in the timeline of released games, it came out before all the others, but there are some thematic similarities to other games - the word "Samsara" appearing in Roots, the man in the clock, animal people, cubes...
I wanted to write out an entire theory of all these games and make a video about it, but I'm holding off and waiting for more games to be released first. There's so much we still don't know yet.
cold siren
Is the samsara room the one about the dead lady?
wild mural
No, that's the one with the five things you have to collect and the pentagram and you keep going through and becoming different things.
It's not attached to Rusty Lake as a plot piece, I believe.
Seasons is the dead lady.
Well, one of the dead lady ones.
distant mirage
there is a lot in the small cues -- i didn't even get around to looking into the non-english words until i stumbled across samsara room
cold siren
Actually, the less characters you see, the more you need to focus on other stuff relevant to the story
wild mural
That's definitely what I'm curious about. Like I said, there are a lot of themes that show up in later games.
cold siren
Hey, as I said on the other channel, we could gather some theories and make a way to present it to matpat from game theory
I know you would like to make a video, but he has way more viewers, and it could be a great opportunity for the rusty lake creators
wild mural
Well that's a weird way to phrase it. We can do both.
I'm super curious about the blue cubes, though. And now we have gold cubes, I believe. I'm very excited to see more use of different types of cubes and their powers.
distant mirage
i definitely do not yet understand the gold cube
wild mural
Neither do I. I have to replay the latest game before the new one comes out.
cold siren
The gold cube is the one for time travel, isnt it? (I know probably theres more meaning to that, just to confirme)
distant mirage
the blue cube lets you change the past
cold siren
The golden appears on more than one game?
placid tulip
Nah, just the latest one
wild mural
Blue lets you time travel, yeah. I don't remember what, if anything, the gold does. Probably breaks the cycle of black cubes or destroys the shadow creatures.
distant mirage
the only things i think we know about the gold cube yet is that it came from putting white, black, and blue together in some kind of machine with dale and laura, and it's necessary for the future
cold siren
I need to replay the series
Oh right, i thought the blue came out from the other three
tawdry fulcrum
i should play at least Roots a second time. when i first played it there wasnt the achivements
so i dont have them yet :/
wild mural
In a way, I suppose it makes sense. Take good memories, bad ones, and time, and create a new sense of self, or something. Rusty Lake mental health and fishing. ;P
cold siren
Maybe the golden cube is related to life itself as a collection of memories
But the blue cube that puzzles me
I mean, you cant really change the past, so maybe its because you change your memories to cure past traumas, and from that comes the mental health in rusty lake's name
wild mural
That's what I wonder. Are you changing the past or merely your perception of it.
vague imp
I bet Leonard wished he found one of those.
wild mural
Are you manipulating it, or remembering things you'd forgotten as you revisit them again and again, unable to move on?
cold siren
The only problem about my theory is that when you go back, it seems that you really change the past
distant mirage
in Seasons, you definitely actually change things, for example, killing Harvey and then changing things so instead she's alive
wild mural
Do you? Or do you think you killed him, and remember later that no, he just escaped? You also took a picture piece from his body. The real and the not-real is definitely muddied together in these games.
distant mirage
there's plenty of room for alternate possibilities and i definitely think that yes, real and not-real mix and meld
but i think it's more real than just perception/all being in a given character's mind
wild mural
Time will tell, I suppose. :D
vague imp
Same
cold siren
But even if you do go back, the whole serie is based on metaphorical absurd, you cant really trust anything youre doing
wild mural
I just want More Mr. Crow, all the time. I want to know everything about that man. Who is he, why is he, what's he doing, where is he at any given moment...
vague imp
I think it's about time I went and replayed all the games
cold siren
The feeling i get from the whole serie is that its some sort of "eternal sunshine of the spotless mind" kind of thing
distant mirage
i want to know what Mr Owl's relationship to the vandermeer brothers is
cold siren
I really believe mr crow is his "spiritual guide"
distant mirage
i thought one of them was Mr Crow (correct) and the other one was Mr Owl (incorrect) for the longest time, but no
(Roots clarifies a lot of this, you guys gotta play Roots if you haven't yet, bc there is so much lore in it)
wild mural
Oh there absolutely is, but again...Is it real? What's real? Is Mr. Crow who he is in Roots, or is he the man who lives in the windmill? Or is he the sub operator? Can he be all three? Just how old are these people? Didn't Mr. Owl show up from like the 1800s at one point...?
cold siren
I think mr owl showed up when they discovered the elixir
vague imp
But
wild mural
Also I want more of Immortal Dog, too.
vague imp
He said"Mr.owl needs me" so he must have known him before?
distant mirage
the elixir's purpose is to make you immortal -- i didn't realize, yeah, that the dog is immortal til i read it on the wiki
very funny facet of the story
vague imp
Btw I wonder if the dog will ever have a canon name
wild mural
I hope so. I hope they throw in a ton of silly easter eggs at some point. I also hope the dog gets a hybrid persona like Harvey.
distant mirage
but it apparently turned the one brother into Mr Crow and the other brother into a corrupted soul, and made them both immortal in those forms; then James (i think?) tries to recreate it, and it makes the dog immortal but kills him
Harvey is the best parrot in any game ever
tawdry fulcrum
i called the dog Freddy :D
vague imp
Really I always called him Maxium
wild mural
Gosh this was such a mistake. ;) I shouldn't have joined, I'm gonna be spending the next four weeks solid just discussing these games with y'all.
cold siren
I just called him "freakin dog what am i supposed to feed you"
vague imp
XD
distant mirage
shrug
cold siren
I'm going to play the whole series before I continue discussing
distant mirage
they're in the tree roots and their eyes are white, but. . . i don't even know what death is in rusty lake, really
tawdry fulcrum
- ¯_(ツ)_/¯
cold siren
Where can i find the canon game timeline?
distant mirage
@cold siren check #rusty-lake-hotel-roots-paradise-help
vague imp
I hope they didn't tbh i like them both.
distant mirage
people just posted it in there :)
cold siren
Nice
still wren
that timeline is current up to theater
distant mirage
The Mill came out after that, any others?
still wren
rusty lake roots and cave came after theater
distant mirage
oh, yeah, Cave is so good, too
distant mirage
that game was twice as long as i expected it to be
i got the door opened out of the cave itself and it was like having a whole second game to play
vague imp
Ye
placid tulip
Yeah, when I opened the cave gate, I just thought "That's it? The game is gonna end short like that?"
But when I got into the submarine, I felt like I had come to heaven (whilst I did not, aw ah lol)
And the music upon entering the sub, oh my gosh, so fits the atmosphere......
If only I could have that felling back again...
vague imp
In fact the Cave occurs before the Birthday and the Theater, because at first Dale descended to the bottom, and then went up to the Hotel.
placid tulip
Okay...
sly pelican
Who do you think James' father(Third Vanderboom Brother) was? Do you think he will be shown in Rusty Lake: Paradise?
vague imp
Vanderboom is a dutch last name.
cold siren
Can anyone remember the importance of van gogh to the story? I completely forgot
vague imp
Play him again.
sly pelican
I think he was a side game for the story. I don't think he is important.
But who knows, maybe something important appears in the story about him.
wild mural
I imagine that it ties in as another mental health case, where reality begins degenerating as your mental health declines.
vague imp
IMHO Van Gogh is Bob's past life. This is hinted at by external similarities.
cold siren
Hey, I'm playing cube escape: the lake (first one released) and I'll leave here some things I think it's worth discussing
First of all, on the pentagram paper, there is a phrase of much importance "The past is never dead, it's not even past."
tawdry fulcrum
waht's with it?
cold siren
It hints a bit about whats going on, I think it's one of the keys to understand the series, even not understanding much of it right now
But its definetly a piece of the puzzle
tawdry fulcrum
yeah, this sentence is used very often
cold siren
Coin gem shrimp head apple and eye
tawdry fulcrum
and an ey
vague imp
Everything is simply explained from the point of view of Buddhism.
sly pelican
Coin was used in James eyes to open his tongue.
And eye, Ida and Samuel's eyes, the thing it reminds me.
Gem and shrimp head?
There must be 1 more thing
tawdry fulcrum
in Buddhism? can you explain that a little more?
sly pelican
Some of the writings are from Indian language.
Indian or Buddhist, I don't remember certainly.
vague imp
The main thing is that all the characters are enclosed in the wheel of samsara, and Dale and Laura have achieved enlightenment.
tawdry fulcrum
so the games deals with buddhism
tawdry fulcrum
is there also a conection between buddhism and the half anime half men ... things?
people, animal, whatever
vague imp
Of course, I wrote everything simplistically, but on the whole it is so.
sly pelican
Were Buddhists believing in half animal half men?
vague imp
The rest is the influence of René Magritte and David Lynch.
tawdry fulcrum
i thing i will read something about buddhism, maybe i will find something else
tawdry fulcrum
but if we find something we are closer to an answer to all our questions
and than we make a theory. A GAME THEORY °L°
sly pelican
I wonder why Mr. Owl is using Dale to reach Laura(William)'s memories.
I mean, yeah they have a chance to reach old life's' memories but why especially Dale?
tawdry fulcrum
it is something about immortality as we seen in roots
vague imp
Dale is a descendant of Mr. Crow.
By the way, if someone did not know, then corrupted souls are preta, immortal animals are asura, and Rusty Lake is naraka, contributing to the correction of the past (black cubes, karma).
sly pelican
Actually I once tried to write a fan made story about Rusty Lake.
But my English wasn't enough.
And still not.
tawdry fulcrum
if i may ask, from where do you come?
sly pelican
Turkey
sly pelican
Pretty asumed nukes!
vague imp
Lol, in the Russian segment, I'm practically the only theorist and I like it.
tawdry fulcrum
here in germany we don't have any theorist too
sly pelican
So, when you make a black cube white, you clean your karma and be free? @vague imp
vague imp
@sly pelican This is true.
sly pelican
So what is the extraction phase?
tawdry fulcrum
but the black cubes were made of dead bodys, why anyone would clean the karma of a dead person?
sly pelican
I mean, Aldous got 2 kind of cubes from William's reincarnation in Mill.
Why one of them was black and the other was white?
tawdry fulcrum
i thing extracting karma isn't it...
vague imp
These issues need to be discussed!
thin elk
Greetings
vague imp
Sorry, but now I want to sleep.
sly pelican
Me, too.
thin elk
Night c:
tawdry fulcrum
sure, but i know nothing abot buddism, so i can not say many about it
thin elk
Wait
tawdry fulcrum
good night o/
thin elk
Hm
sly pelican
Here is the night, yo know. And probably it's later in Russia, Lol!
thin elk
There seems to be a lot of people
vague imp
Well, I'll somehow translate something from my theories.
tawdry fulcrum
we have only 9:18 Pm ^^
thin elk
How many people here are actually russians?
vague imp
good question
thin elk
I mean, I haven't seen the website announcing this =p
tawdry fulcrum
dunno, at least 1
vague imp
well, two. at least 2
sly pelican
It's 10:19 pm
thin elk
Count me as well =p
vague imp
4 then.
sly pelican
RustyLakeFun were you on Germany?
tawdry fulcrum
i am german
vague imp
btw i think this is discussion for the general channel
mossy girder
Something I think about the Elixir : it always takes one life, and gives immortality to the other. I wonder if the two brothers knew about it, and if they agreed on the fact that one would die and eventually be reincarnated thanks to their children. Also wondering if he remembers his past life or has no idea, if Laura and him share a body, and she decides to take her own life to escape the fate...
river vessel
its possible
breaking out of the cycle that this family is in
releasing the hold that aldous and william have on them
placid tulip
I'm rather into the theory that Aldous kept William in the dark the whole time
By the order of Mr.Owl, his superiority...
And yeah, I agree with you about how the elixir works
wild mural
Wait, where is it stated that it always takes a life to give to another? Did I miss this somewhere?
distant mirage
I think they're going off the william + aldous / james + dog outcomes
mossy girder
Yeah. It seems to be a pattern.
sly pelican
Btw it looks like the elixir doesn't harm who already drank elixir. Remember cave? Aldous and Mr. Owl could drink elixir with no problem.
mossy girder
Yeah, seems like they need it, too
sly pelican
Or maybe it was because of the Dog's poop. Maybe the dog extracted or did something to the side affects.
cold siren
I just replayed the mill and realize some things, that is a core game to understand the cubes
I believe you play as mr crow in that one
One of the things that happens in the end is that he says to the corrupted dead lady that her memories belongs to the lake now
And some other phrases said in other games
There's a lot to learn on that one, including 2 letters from mr owl to mr crow
sly pelican
I woke up in that forest with no memories belonged to me. It was a dark and cold night, which was being illuminated by the moon's light. My mind was full of space, I could only remember a face. It was dark, endless, deep with its lightened eyes. Their eyes were light as just as their face was dark. I remember that I knew them, I met with them in a time I don't even know if it exists. I heard a voice in my head: "Welcome to the Rusty Lake." It was a deep voice of a man which was truly 'calling' me. I turned back around and see the big Hotel, rising from the depths of the lake. I approached to the coast(which was the end of the forest) and saw that a man was looking at me from the gate of the Hotel. Was I wrong or was his face was an owl's? I couldn't think about that, moving into the cold water of the lake. He was kinda attracting me just like light attracts flies. I felt my body hitting sharp things in the water but I couldn't help continuing. When finally the moonlight lightened the lake, I saw black and white cubes floating inside the lake. Then they rised just as the Hotel and they reached to the sky, looking like stars. When I finally reached to the Hotel, I saw an Owl-headed man. I was scared a little bit but: "Don't worry, you're always welcome to the Rusty Lake Hotel. Just like you once came." he said modestly. I felt in safe, I thought I could live with the feeling that animal-headed man gave me. It was a familiar feeling that would make me loyal, relaxed. I felt like I always knew him. He got in the Hotel, and I followed him.
tawdry fulcrum
so, whats that?
sly pelican
Fan made story? LOL
tawdry fulcrum
seems interesting :D
sly pelican
My English is not well enough to continue it.
I once tried to write just like this but you know.
sly pelican
Btw some of Schizophreniacs speak in a rhyme, that's why I use rhyme in first sentences.
placid tulip
Follow to where?!?
Oh my gosh I'm thrilled...
sly pelican
Follow into the Hotel, you know.
placid tulip
What are Schizophreniacs??
vague imp
people with schizophrenia i assume
sly pelican
Yeah
sly pelican
What do you call people who has Schizophrenia?
I mean, in English
We use "Şizofreni" for Schizophrenia. And "Şizofren" for the people who has that issue.
tawdry fulcrum
i think it is schizophrenic
tawdry fulcrum
Schizophrenie and schizophrenen :D
sly pelican
Well, in Turkish we add "k" or "c"(in English version)
vague imp
ive never heard of speaking in a rhyme as a part of schizophrenia 🤔
sly pelican
But we sometimes decrease the number of letters.
I heard that from where now I don't remember.
vague imp
i think you were refering to this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clanging
vague imp
it isnt exactly "rhyming" since its a form of disordered speech
sly pelican
Yeah
All of the misunderstanding belongs to me
I'm so sorry 😐
Actually I would ask some of you if you could help me with the story to continue it. Maybe with your help, I can make it continue.
vague imp
dunno, im not confident in my english either...
tawdry fulcrum
write it in turkish and translate it into english after you write the whole story
that is easyer as writing in a foreign language
sly pelican
Which translation app do you recommend?