🤔｜theories

[rancid slate]

I think he's the only one there that doesnt seem to have any mental health problems

[azure bay]

I don't mind magic tricks. But I'd like to have some story with that

[rancid slate]

Ms. Pheasant too if you count the gun scene as something else

I can consider the Acts as canon if the bugs are ignored

Even the acts with his corrupted form

[grand locust]

[azure bay]

that doesn't really make sense

Evil Rabbit didn't exist back then

[rancid slate]

Magic

[azure bay]

Phlogiston

[rancid slate]

He was just unaware of it

Casting spells he doesnt know

[azure bay]

you are pushing a cube into a round hole

[rancid slate]

Casually seeing his own future

Not the first time

[azure bay]

it's not supposed to be casual

[grand locust]

Seeing future is more than casual in Rusty lake universe

[azure bay]

Mr. Owl killed 5 people to see a single prophecy

[grand locust]

Ida with her sphere foreshadowing whole roots story:smells like weakness

[azure bay]

Ida is an exception. If Owl didn't have anyone like Ida, neither did Rabbit

[rancid slate]

Mr Rabbit probably wasnt looking into it

[grand locust]

I still wonder how Albert predicts his death,especially chess game part

[rancid slate]

Doesnt he say it was in a dream?

[azure bay]

https://tenor.com/kjFxzuYFuH0.gif

[rancid slate]

Atleast in the demo version

[grand locust]

I don’t remember (?)

[grand locust]

Btw!
Where can I play demo of the past within?

[azure bay]

that seems unexpectedly legit

[rancid slate]

It is on Steam

Play Store

And other stores too, I guess

[azure bay]

TPW lite on mobile platforms. Or blood rituals with Steam console if you have TPW purchased since it replaces the demo

oh, I've been told that Itch.io has it free and separated

[rancid slate]

There's a Download Demo button below

[azure bay]

it didn't work for me at the time. I had to use the console

maybe something changed

[rancid slate]

I know that the button changed places

[azure bay]

@grand locust save your brain cells and go on Itch.io

[grand locust]

Okie!

[rancid slate]

If Albert can dream with the future

And Ida see it in a ball

[grand locust]

Rose was born knowing super future vision delux?

[rancid slate]

Maybe Mr. Owl's future is harder because it's very specific and not directly associated to him

[azure bay]

somewhat inherited from Ida, I guess?

[azure bay]

or maybe the dream is just a rough demo of what we'll see in the full game

[grand locust]

I mean,her ovarian egg was used for it:
genetically magic orientated

[rancid slate]

Dream game

[azure bay]

I know

but as they say, question everything (you see) in Rusty Lake

Albert could have a dream like that. But it may not mean anything lore-wise

just a foreshadowing for us the players

with no in-lore rationalization

I wish the dream was more weird

more dream-like

ideally with giant chess pieces

[grand locust]

And flying ceiling
Endless staircase leading to nowhere

[rancid slate]

First Nowhere appearence in-game

[azure bay]

https://tenor.com/bmDhi.gif

[rancid slate]

Your dream version of the dream

[grand locust]

I just played the demo

Damn,The fact that Ida played a chunk of role
Both her chess piece and her in Albert’s dream

[azure bay]

Still fixated on her despite having her killed

[grand locust]

Fatalism,am I right

[azure bay]

Fatalism would be just accepting your fate and staying dead. Like Ida did BTW

[grand locust]

I wonder if reason behind her yearning for her mostly she just treated him decently,unlike his family?

[grand locust]

Ahhh,I forgot what that word meant

Or it was her being “odd” and “weird” as well,you know,traveling woman,who sees future?

Besides that,Ida is like heavenly beautiful

[rancid slate]

I think we never seen them interacting

[azure bay]

M. Lermontov "Fatalist"

[rancid slate]

Plot twist: William killed them, not Albert

[grand locust]

Well,yeah,I guess roots storytelling doesn’t allow direct interaction between characters

[grand locust]

William could push Albert’s insanity,but I think it was his voodoo magic that killed them

[azure bay]

I'd rather bet on the birb CS that stalked him

[rancid slate]

Frien mentioned

[grand locust]

About Mr crow,I think by benefiting from one crazy relative,they might be one who gave Albert deer skull

It’s like Albert already had insanity in him,from birth,Crow just pushed right buttons

[azure bay]

We have no reason to belive that was Mr. Crow. Corruption is a big deal, one does not simply go corrupted and back behind the scenes.

[rancid slate]

And the CS appears both before and after the events of Hotel

[grand locust]

Hmmm true

Then who gave him the skull?

If I remember correctly,it was human CS?

[rancid slate]

Unknown character

https://tenor.com/view/roots-cs-roots-soul-corrupted-soul-unknown-soul-unknown-corrupted-soul-gif-4993176189708476754

[azure bay]

we'll find out eventually

[azure bay]

humanoid with a beak

[grand locust]

The bird ahh face

[rancid slate]

It's the evil cousin from Young Bird

[azure bay]

well, we actually have 1 weak reason to believe it's crow. We have Aldous portrait next to the window.

But even if it's Crow I'd bet on his future corrupted self

[grand locust]

To be honest:I feel numb to Emma’s and Samuels death
A lot tells me that they were favored by Mary(James died when they were 3 yo at max)
On
Y things I cant defend is Idas death and pushing Frank into well

[rancid slate]

So Albert is important and is gonna appear in the Day of The Lake

[grand locust]

Tho I think Albert was more or less acting on impulse at first
It hous second thought

[grand locust]

Didn’t day of lake happened?
Someone else told me it kinda happened before he 2as resurrected or something

Somwhere after Laura’s death and his return

Or Im being misguided?

[rancid slate]

We believe that yes

But nothing confirmed

[grand locust]

Aaaaaaaa

I stand to believe that even if Albert didn’t take Rose,Laura would still end up having trauma that leads her to do unaliving

[azure bay]

I don't think so. He was resurrected 12 years later. Unless he time travels too but I would hate RL overdoing this trope.

I rather expect him as a new obstacle to a new ruler of the lake

Deer Battle Royal

[grand locust]

Mr Owl could use Rose as trauma fuel for Laura:her dying,or any similar thing that could cause Laura have heavy trauma from childhood years.
Albert taking Rose away worked too,but in that scenario Rose didn’t die

I know it was no info to defend this theory,but I simply believe that some fate would lead to something characters can’t avoid(?)

[azure bay]

It seems Mr. Owl was genuinely trying to save Laura

[rancid slate]

Unless they just make the Day on 1984+

[azure bay]

I could bet my money on it being 1972

[grand locust]

Maybe save her life riiiiiiight until her life is not needed,but sacrifice surely

[rancid slate]

Saving her life so she can die again

[azure bay]

you see, Dr. Clark working for Owl was honestly doing his job as Laura's therapist and failing at it. And Owl somehow resurrected Laura after The Cave

it's like he was tring to save himself trouble of bringing her back to life again

[grand locust]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm,
Then Rose being taken is another F U Albert throws at Mr Owl

[azure bay]

it seems so

[rancid slate]

The malicious Travel to The Lake: You think so?

[grand locust]

I mean,last time he tried to resurrect someone,they turned back as not previous form(Harvey coming back as Parrot)

[azure bay]

we have no idea what they wanted at the lake and what went right or wrong

[rancid slate]

They wanted Mrs. Pigeon to get some happy meal,,

And it went wrong)

[azure bay]

except there's no Mrs. Pigeon 🤗

[grand locust]

Chef Frog is best hotel character in my opinion:
everyone dealing with random shi,Even Bat guy being furious at some point

But chef Frog?
He just cooks some 3 star meals and he is just chilling

No day of lake stuff,no stress,no murder,just vibe and cooking

[rancid slate]

Going back to Mr. Rabbit

Whatever his journey was originally (No Future Dale) I guess he might not be treated too well since's considered "evil" so he might die anyway 💔

Or he's forced to die in order for good things to happen

[azure bay]

In the original timeline I'd rather bet on his success behind the scenes

[grand locust]

Mr rabbit seemed least evil out of all 5 in hotel?

[rancid slate]

Strangely we never see a glimpse of him during the whole timeline

[azure bay]

More so, he was dubbed good Mr. Rabbit

[azure bay]

probably sipping smoothie on the Bahamas

[rancid slate]

Real

He's the only character free from Rusty Lake

In his timeline

Which

I guess it's most of the timeline

[grand locust]

I guess rabbit was most enlightened?
To have his soul free from lake

[rancid slate]

If your soul is the same in different timelines, I guess not

Maybe, idk

[azure bay]

Enlightenment is relative. Laura is an enlightened corrupted soul, Mr. Crow is an enlightened human

[grand locust]

And mammoth is alive

[rancid slate]

We still dont know if Future Rose is still "alive" (not as a Tree)

[azure bay]

what do you mean by "still"?

[rancid slate]

We havent seen her after the events of 1984

[grand locust]

If her blossoming state is like equivalent to Nirvana
We can assume she simply exist in new form of existence where state of alive and dead is nothing

[rancid slate]

Not considering UB's ending

[grand locust]

If we talk about physically being alive,I dunno

Maybe her body went into endlesss comma since should escaped the cube

[azure bay]

Since it's the mind doing the cube traveling and not the body, I bet on Rose being left in 1984 in a vegetative state

[rancid slate]

Yes, Im talking about her physicially

[grand locust]

Either comma or maybe vegetative state

[rancid slate]

Albert: I'm finally alive again!!
Rose:

[grand locust]

Either way, Rose is free in lake,her physical body is now nothing but flesh without soul

[rancid slate]

I will believe she is still physicially conscient

[rancid slate]

Until I see her like this in 1985

[azure bay]

Her mind and soul should have escaped the cube

[grand locust]

She indeed did Cube escape

[rancid slate]

It was actually the player's mind

I am the Tree

[azure bay]

exactly. Cube Escape: Coop Edition

[grand locust]

[grand locust]

Well,there is one thing I noticed

When Labert talks to rose,he asks her to look into cube
But then it’s he talks to cooping Players syaing “both of you,click and hold cubes for 10 second”

It sounded like he broke 4th wall for a second

[azure bay]

he said "hold the cube"

yeah, a minor ambiguous 4th wall break

[grand locust]

Oh,right

[grand locust]

Knowing how we never played as Albert even once

[azure bay]

but I think it's about concentraion

[rancid slate]

Albert: Now give a positive rating to the game

[grand locust]

We played as Jacob before he became mr owl
We played as Mr crow
We played as Harvey,Dale,Bob,Laura
Even Rose

But never as Albert

In roots we more or less played as Williams ghost

[rancid slate]

We already played as Albert

You just dont know that..

He is Harvey!!

[azure bay]

maybe one Day. Playing as Rose was new too

[grand locust]

Bro already has masks
No need to have a parrot fur suit
He has too much already

[grand locust]

Truuuuuuuuuue

[azure bay]

and the Servant will probably be a new character

[rancid slate]

We played as 10% of Albert since Laura is all the Vanderboom except Aldous

[grand locust]

Onjewsewxojnxwejnoxewjnwjnxeonxeiwo

[grand locust]

https://tenor.com/view/albert-vanderboom-rusty-lake-cube-escape-gif-8659639442103849560

[grand locust]

So we also played as Ida ,samuel,Emma,Frank,Leonard,James and Maru

[granite kayak]

did you know the when you picked up the phone on the -first games- the voice on the other side the audio is reversed?

[rancid slate]

May be common knowledge, yes

[tight ember]

Super epic super serious theory

[worn birch]

Pretty solid theory

[grand locust]

Amen 🙏

[azure bay]

Souls have no gender. They are so enlightened they are above any labels

[tight ember]

Well he’s trans to me

[azure bay]

I was kinda joking

[tight ember]

Oh mb

I’m tired lol

It’s like 3 am

https://tenor.com/view/laura-vanderboom-gif-26755076

[azure bay]

Lol

[grand locust]

When we play past within and take a look by hole into cubes

Albert ,in both of those cubes,destroys only way to look directly into cube

It’s just,I know it for sake of jumpscare

But also I wonder if it’s ways Albert can keep himself low profile
He doesn’t want to be seen by cameras,Or other viewers,or be seen by any devices or ways to be seen directly(?)

[rancid slate]

Albert:

[grand locust]

THIS

[errant trellis]

does anyone have any suggestions for theory videos to watch? or like explanations?

[rancid slate]

For theories, Id recommend Nowherenest, Zefiewings and stigmatawood

[errant trellis]

thank you!!

i recently watched flawed peacock’s video and now i want more lol

[azure bay]

These are not cameras, just lenses

[honest rain]

Who is the actress of the 'lady of the lake' in Cube Escape Theatre? The one who said "Balance the substance of my past lives"? What did she mean by that, and who could she be?

[rancid slate]

Either a regular actress or somehow Ms Pheasant

For now, it is safer to say that she's just an actress

[rancid slate]

Cube Escape Theatre is about the Samsara Wheel, each play teaches Dale about one realm of it

Her play is about the Preta realm (The corrupted souls)

She mimics Laura's death too

Balancing the substances is also a common theme with Corrupted souls who seek rebirth or enlightenment

[grand locust]

True,but still,it feels like he almost senses when someone extra is looking

[rancid slate]

Does he really break it in Future?

I remember in Past, but its understandable since he was corrupted

Not much when he's ressurrected

[grand locust]

Maybe it’s for bigger reasons?

Perhaps to be seen by lesser eyes(maybe mr owl?) or maybe if he is aware of being trapped in cube,he might be aware of player,knowing how he wants to be free,he hates us(specifically when we see/watch him)

[azure bay]

His daughter :з

[grand locust]

His daughter is only person he cares about
Others are not welcome too close

[azure bay]

She's the only one looking, that's the thing

[rancid slate]

Yeah

[grand locust]

We do also(?)

I still was unsure why his new year shows him saying his congratulations to us directly

[rancid slate]

He's actually talking to William

[grand locust]

But his soul is reborn as Laura?

[rancid slate]

/j

[grand locust]

A

[rancid slate]

The message just isnt canon a little teaser, if you may

[grand locust]

True

Im not sure if other character featuring in those cards tells their congratulations too or if it’s Albert’s card that does it

[rancid slate]

Similar things

[worn birch]

I don't understand what's the theory sorry I'm kinda slow

[rancid slate]

I dont think Mr. Owl has a Nintendo Switch

Two Nintendo Switches

[worn birch]

No wayy

[worn birch]

Wonderful

[azure bay]

Before we see him deliberately breaking 4th in-game wall, I take it as he's unaware of our existence.

The devs may write whatever in their blog posts

[grand locust]

One for him and one for Mr crow

[grand locust]

Perhaps

But 4 wall breaking Albert is concept I could use for something,maybe art

[rancid slate]

Monika Albert

[grand locust]

Doki doki Rusty Lake

[latent wharf]

joke theory:
the true protagonist of the series is vincent van gogh

[quiet valley]

Of course, of course🤣

[marsh remnant]

Why do these two look alike?

[royal notch]

It could be asset reuse, but many speculate they are the same person. Or better, the grandpa is just visually represented like that to start the connection to us players.

[rancid slate]

Other possibility:
Aldous is "disguised" as Dale's grandpa in the memory to (possibly) help him change it (by shooting Mr. Rabbit)

The grandpa doesnt appear in the other two moments that the Birthday is shown in Paradox, so that could be an evidence of that

[royal notch]

Yes, basically what i badly wrote.

[marsh remnant]

yeah i was thinking that

[marsh remnant]

ok so i never realized but it turns out albert is the annoying deer corrupted soul…albert when i get you albert

[rancid slate]

There are two corrupted souls with deer appearence

One is Mr. Deer, the other with the deerskull is Albert

[grand locust]

So the one on lake that was following dale was Me Deers?

[rancid slate]

Yeah, most likely

[marsh remnant]

I’m going to get them both

[latent wharf]

genuine question thats kind of a theory thing
why do i keep seeing stuff of people thinking william is mr owl
like
the identity of mr owl has to have been one of the most straightforward bits of information the series has given us

[grand locust]

I think it goes like this:

William:Fat guy,dead one
Mr Owl:shown to be fat guy in several cube escapes

Players who haven’t dig into lore:Mr owl = William

[latent wharf]

like
you don't even need to dig that deep
just play paradise

the game basically all but says "jakob is mr owl"

due to all the dang owl imagery

[azure bay]

People are stupid

I made my peace with it

[latent wharf]

also the thing that should be a dead giveaway that mr owl isn't william is that we have never once seen mr owl naked
meanwhile william

[rancid slate]

I believe they just connect the fact that William and Aldous are brothers + Mr. Crow and Owl are a duo (Overlooking William turning into Laura)

• I also believe most of them did not played Roots and first saw William in Cave. Probably also didnt connected the points of him turning into Laura since Cave is a little subtle about it (I also didnt noticed in my first playthrough. Tho, I also didnt assumed William was Mr. Owl )

• If they could only play the free games, they would prob not know Paradise

[latent wharf]

ohhh fair enough

[delicate atlas]

A bit random but I just discovered King Arthur, the book/legend, has a character named Lady of the Lake

[azure bay]

yep, the prime source of inspiration

[delicate atlas]

That's so cool

[azure bay]

although how deep it goes is debatable

[delicate atlas]

Yeah it says she appears in many medieval legends

But king Arthur is the most popular I think

[fallow hornet]

Idk if its true or fals or if someone brought it up but what if this little guy we See in the train in underground blossom is actualy Teen robert because they look so mutch alike

But he dident knew laura yet because they were in diffrent classes or schools

I dident find any Info on him

[rancid slate]

Maybe

[grand locust]

Wait a sec,he does look like him

[fallow hornet]

Also i noticed on the Album Cover Alberts face is normal and since after the Band Level albert Was the only adult still alive so its most likley he did the Cover

[grand locust]

Headcanon:family tried to “fix” cover by “fixing” Albert’s face

That’s how much they don’t care about him:his scar is not reminder of Child abuse and WHAG Samule did to his brother,it’s simply “ugly part” of scapegoat of family

[fallow hornet]

Also Leonard and Albert had the same hat

1. Albert gave his old hat to caught idas attention to look "kinde" in her eye's

2. Mary gave some old child stuff to ida and Samuel to Support them

[fallow hornet]

Or maby that too

[grand locust]

Yes

[grand locust]

Ok,but I noticed Leonard Jas similar lip thing and similar ears(elfy) like Albert
Even same hair color when young?

Maybe Leonard warmed to him cause he kinda looked like him yk

[fallow hornet]

It can also be a reminder of past trauma

But i think its number 2 in my Theorie

[grand locust]

Maybe,but Albert’s trauma came from his birth mark and bullying that came from Samuel and Emma(and Mary,I know her ahh is not kind mother)

[grand locust]

True

[fallow hornet]

Poor Albert

[grand locust]

Yeah,I always viewed his actions as his own way to revenge

Samuel caused a beehive on his face,which scarred his face
And since Bees stings feel like burn(especially a whole beehive)
In Albert’s eyes it 2as fair to burn him alive

[fallow hornet]

Yeh i dont hate him fore it cause he did that out of revenge
But i do hate nicholas eilanders fore burning his son and wife to be einlighted

[grand locust]

At least Albert Loves his Daughter
I think he would rather die than sacrifice her for some “enlightenment”

[fallow hornet]

YEH I THINK HES A BAD MAN BUT A GOOD DAD

[grand locust]

I LVOE THE “horrible person,good dad” trope

[fallow hornet]

Same

[late trail]

https://youtube.com/shorts/GecLATlftD8?si=4mG18ndF9Yh9Gkvl

[azure bay]

I think it's just a coincidence that Bob's wearing something that looks like Laura's former uniform

[spiral horizon]

q. Is there an actual woman inside of Laura, hidden somewhere while William is in control of her? Or is Laura strictly a vessel containing just the soul of William?

[royal notch]

William' s corrupted soul became Laura' s, in classic reincarnation style. The soul is the same, it just resets every time; the ritual' s purpose was most probably to ensure the next life vessel would be another human being.

[rancid slate]

Tho, William's memories are still inside Laura, just not in a way that she remembers

Thats why she's important in Cave

[grand locust]

Laura is basically a vessel of soul she doesn’t even own
Damn

[azure bay]

not true

or true for everyone

[grand locust]

Fair

[spiral horizon]

I was actually trying to determine whether Laura was human, or merely a golem with an extraneous soul in there

[grand locust]

I honestly inderstood that even Rusty lake Games that are literal n narration point,they are still having layer of unreliable narrator going on
So anything that makes sense makes sense yk

[azure bay]

She's a human. If she were a golem she would have brown hair like her donor.

And Rose was sitting inside a clock for a while

[fallow hornet]

Am i the only one who noticed that Albert is standing more far away from the Samuel and ida on their Wedding? Also i Noticed albert is always standing during the game and the only 3 Times he wasen't standing is wen he was a Baby,during Chess game and in past within

(I feel sad fore this guy even wen hes the bad guy in the story)

[tight ember]

Fr because in the lying game they didn’t even give him a place to sit, there’s only 3 seats

[rancid slate]

They were playing the chair game

Albert lost

[grand locust]

Whenever we find sad thing about Albert,blame Mary,it saves time

[fallow hornet]

The true villain

[latent forge]

Considering in Cube Escape: Seasons we got to purify the Laura's (Or William's) corrupted soul, does this mean we can possibly purify the corrupted souls of the 5 guests?

like we all used the telephone on laura's corrupted soul

and the soul changed back into being laura

[rancid slate]

Maybe but it would def be akward to kill someone (the guests) just to revive them again a century later

But, oh well, Albert exists

[ionic plaza]

The hybrids. I forgot the official name...

are they normal to the people living in the RL universe? In UB some people say we look weird. While others treat us like any other person

[azure bay]

Considering how much of a niisance their corrupted souls are (and possibly an unwanted byproduct), reviving them feels legit

[azure bay]

UB is a metaphorical mess. You saw yourself how they butchered Laura's break-up, death and corruption.

Even though taking Harvey's form for granted can be debated, comments from bystanders that may not even canonically exist in this universe are out of question

As for the form debate, there's a ton of evidencial reasons why Harvey should be just a relatively normal bird

Based on plot and lore consistency as well as common sense

But admittedly the devs are free to throw a retcon wrench into all this

[short atlas]

Yeah, I have a similar question about the characters in Rusty Lake Hotel.

So they’re canonically the reincarnations of the eilander family members, and yet when they were first announced, they had their own ages and careers (Mr Boar is a 52 year old ambassador, for example). So are they enlightened avatars like Mr owl and Mr crow, or just regular people who were born, grew up, and found jobs, who happen to have the heads of various game animals?

[rancid slate]

They are the Eilanders

We just dont know yet if they reincarnated as the Hotel descriptions suggest or if they "just changed like Mr. Crow"

Atleast not with in-game info

[azure bay]

I have a strong suspicion that these ages were retconned as soon as the Eilanders were written into canon

[grand locust]

Question:technically speaking Laura or Rose dont have belly buttons?cause belly button is scar we have when we cut umbilical Cord and neither Rose or Laura can have that since Both were born artificially,Rose in Albert’s lab,Laura throught reticular that at max involved tree.

[vivid bridge]

I think Rose gave birth to Laura, that's why she was placed in the clock instead of just being absorbed (?) by the tree

[grand locust]

Mmmmmm,makes sense
Tho Rose not having belly button question is still open

[rancid slate]

Rose possibly has it

The cord is still part of the baby biology

• Albert still mostly did the normal method

[azure bay]

If the devs were thinking this deep, I'm sure Rose not having a belly button would be the case.

So far we don't know what they were thinking. Maybe if Damy sees this discussion and shares it as a joke with the guys when they happen to cross paths in the office this will get some development

[rancid slate]

Some kind of ivf

What's the name of the liquid in the game?

The green one

Is it already there?

[azure bay]

You mean Roots ?

[rancid slate]

Yeah

What if it was the same birth potion used by Mary,,

[azure bay]

We have nothing substancial and I tend not to connect dots with no good reason

I get really triggered each time people call the green vial the elixir

And it has just as many common points with it as these 2 potions

[rancid slate]

They should call it birth potion

Pregnant Dale

[azure bay]

... but when you start digging, it's not even close

Except here there's nothing to dig

[rancid slate]

The red vial is bloody mary

[azure bay]

The blue vial is the lil bird's blueberry vomit

[rancid slate]

New Young Bird lore just droppwd

[rancid slate]

I guess it's a similar case to William Mr. Owl

There arent many green liquids in Cube Escape, and assuming they played the 9 then Paradox, the Elixir in Cave was the most recent one

The other green liquids are like

Prozac juice and absinthe

Which are easily obtained

While the Elixir has some puzzles

So it's more memorable too

• If they played Roots, it sure gets more special

[tropic iris]

Hello! Sorry if someone posted about this before, i just noticed it 😅 That dying person in the Servant of the Lake kinda looks like Gerard Eilander. If true, perhaps that's how the two families are connected and how the Vanderbooms came in posession of the grandfather clock

[rancid slate]

Probably Aldous

[tropic iris]

could be...the nose is different from aldous's tho

[rancid slate]

Hair color is different, but I think it's him

Unless there are two bald man with the same beard style in the house

[tropic iris]

we'll see soon enough i suppose 😅

[rancid slate]

A few weeks away!

(From gamescom)

[azure bay]

That's Aldous, he's sleeping

Gerard is supposed to be Mr. Boar by that point

doing his ambassador stuff

[rancid slate]

I'm an AytmhsepLC 3rd Vanderboom brother which is the evil twin of Aldous believer

[tropic iris]

fair point! I thought it might be mr.boar in his human form, bc mr.crow and owl can change in human forms. But from what i understand and think now, is that the enlightened Eilanders can't transform or at least not shown too...

my interest is more than peaked 😆

[azure bay]

Mr. Boar just makes less sense in this game. It's about brothers and one of them is already skinny and has facial hair

However the hair color similarity is somewhat peculiar indeed

There's a rather fine theory about the Eilanders and the Vanderbooms being related

[tropic iris]

I'm 50-50 on that...The two families gotta have a connection. The Vanderbooms came in possession of the Grandfather clock and the knowledge about the elixir. Before paradise i thought that mr.owl just gave them to the alchemist brothers at some point. Not enough evidence just yet...

[azure bay]

The clock doesn't seem the same if we go critical

There's simply no heart inside when it breaks nor when Samuel repairs it

[azure bay]

The evidence is a specific interprétation of Pheasant's past life substance

We have the order and we have some extra details from the chapel in Case 23

Long story short a fetus drowning in ink and leaving a heart behind is supposedly a child from Pheasant's past life William who went corrupted and used his former heart as a sacrifice

[tropic iris]

interesting...

we do see mrs.pheasant in human form, i forgor 😅

[azure bay]

Probably

The vibes are irrefutable

Bit it makes no sense as of yet

She's supposed to haunt the lake as a dark soul at that point

[tropic iris]

at which date?

[rancid slate]

She's supposed to still be a cs

[tropic iris]

at which date? Prior to 1893 she wouldn't be corrupted, as well as probably 1971 terminus ante quem

[rancid slate]

We see the supposedly human Ms Pheasant in the Theatre

1971

And, if it counts too, 1972 Club

Ms Pheasant is corrupted since 1893

And still appears in the Lake/Cave at 1972, timeless or not I think that matters

She could be a similar case to Mr Rabbit

Which is also there at 1972

But we still dont know exactly what he did to be "free" in 1939 but not later

[tropic iris]

same with mrs.pheasant perhaps. She attoned and isn't corrupted anymore

[rancid slate]

I guess it is still possible she's just a random lady

[tropic iris]

i don't think so...rusty lake doesn't do random

it's her. Same dress same play with RL Hotel

[rancid slate]

Mary used the same hat from Ms. Pheasant too

[tropic iris]

I dont think she does

[grand locust]

That’s two different drips tbh

[rancid slate]

Must have been some kind of mandela effect, ig

But still speaking of Roots, they do reuse assets from Hotel

Most noticeble being the clothes

Being recolored

(From Samuel and James)

[grand locust]

I mean,Samuel jsut took on his fathers clothes

[rancid slate]

And William, ofc

[grand locust]

It fits story wise

[azure bay]

that's a big story bit. We need to see it, not rationalize things we don't understand by it

[tropic iris]

of course. it's just a theory 😅

[winged ore]

A game theory

[floral veldt]

has anyone recorded and compiled every info given inthe games? like voice lines and written accounts (like book and diaries)

[tropic iris]

noooooooooo xD

[azure bay]

walkthroughs on the wiki?

[floral veldt]

I also meant the notes

Do they have screenshots?

[azure bay]

as far as I know people are keeping their own notes

I know a screenshot library but it's just that. A form of walkthrough

guys! does anyone recall if there was the catchphrase about not dead past in TPW and UB?

[floral veldt]

I don't recall it, but maybe some form of writting might have included it

And mr owl could've said it in UB

[grand locust]

Official Instagram…what are those portraits? Left and right ones SUSPICIOUSLY resembles Aldous and William

[azure bay]

And the carriage woman

[granite kayak]

well this is a theory, 4 + 4 hours long videos, matpat videos were never this long i think

anybody have watched twin peaks? i haven't

[lucid knoll]

The one on the right certainly has Aldous vibes, but the left one looks like the bearded man from the trailer.

[azure bay]

Big twist: the bearded man from the trailer is William

[grand locust]

Thats just 1 : 1 William and Aldous on paintings then

[azure bay]

And the red dress woman

[rancid slate]

Little funny how they are wearing the "holiday" clothes in the paintings

I wonder if they were intended for it, or just coincidentally matched the vibe of xmas

Maybe that's what the green dot was for

[lucid knoll]

The artstyle change hit him like a truck lol

[azure bay]

Why is she holding an egg? And what's that in William's hand?

[royal notch]

The lady holding an egg and Aldous a glass feels as next-level foreshadowing.

[rancid slate]

Maybe it's for a puzzle?

[remote remnant]

I dont think matpat even made theory videos about RL

just livestreamed the first 3 or 4 CE games

[royal notch]

Luckily.

[lucid knoll]

Imagine if the lady is Harvey... He laid an egg in Seasons, after all, as females do.

[rancid slate]

What if William is Harvey

[spiral horizon]

what if the lake is Harvey?

[grand locust]

What if Harvey

[daring cloud]

i know bearly anything about the lore, i got a few questions though:

• who is the corrupted soul that killed laura?

• who do we play as in seasons?

• what happened to dale after he got the gold cube?

[short atlas]

1. I can’t remember in which game, but in one of them at least, it’s heavily implied that ||laura actually killed herself, with the corrupted soul being a manifestation of herself||
2. We play as Laura in seasons, in various stages of her life/death
3. If you’re talking about the gold cube at the end of the cave, the next stage of Dales story is shown in the paradox game

[daring cloud]

then how come in seasons, if we play as laura we see laura getting killed in the window in the moon?

[short atlas]

I think that was another surreal thing, or a premonition

[daring cloud]

huh, alright... this series hurts my head

in paradox chapter 2, cant we just use the screwdriver to take the door off the hinges and leave?

[rancid slate]

The objective is not escaping

[rancid slate]

About the the 3rd question, me and others believe Paradox happens during Cave

Which means after Cave it would be Birthday and Theatre

And after that, should be the Day of the Lake where Dale finally arrives to the Hotel with the Golden Cube

[daring cloud]

woah woah- what is the day of the lake? ive never heard of that before

[rancid slate]

Have you played Paradise?

[daring cloud]

no

ive played cube escape collection, roots, paradox (1 and 2) and samasara room

[rancid slate]

Well, with no spoilers, it's basically a very special day in The Lake

I believe it appears in Paradox too

Atleast the words

[daring cloud]

huh, alright

[rancid slate]

It's when Dale and Laura are supposed to consume the elixir

With Dale most likely enlightening and Laura dying ||again 💀||

[daring cloud]

how many times has laura died/we have seen her die? its too many- leave the girl alone

[rancid slate]

Not counting retelling of events

She died atleast two times

[daring cloud]

oh- i thought it was more

[rancid slate]

In 1971, the death the lead to case 23

And possibly at the Day of the Lake

[daring cloud]

how hard would it in theory to make your own timeline

[rancid slate]

So it's technically also atleast 1 death

[rancid slate]

I'd say not much

Playing all games, taking notes of events that happen in multiple games and arranging them in order shouln't be much of a problem

And there are also years in some of them

*Case 23 has years, but not in the Collection version

[daring cloud]

i thought it would just be more confusing than anything

[rancid slate]

The timeline is a little linear 🙃

The surreal puzzles and elements of "timetravel" may make it look like it's complex

[warm kiln]

-# emphasis in "a little"

[rancid slate]

There's also a full timeline image by Nowhere

https://www.reddit.com/r/rustylake/s/xAaCj96ICT

But I guess it requires knowing what happens in all games too

But it's a good one

I used to check it a lot but now I may have downloaded most of the Rusty Lake lore inside my brain too

[daring cloud]

just finished paradox chapter 2...

uhhh.. i can see why its called paradox

[rancid slate]

There is a secret ending in each chapter

[daring cloud]

well its getting late... that is future me's problem

[rancid slate]

[lucid knoll]

I hope they merge into one higher being, like Mr Owl and his mother. Laura did not deserve ts

[rancid slate]

Very unlikely

Unless they "merge" and Laura's side goes to somewhere else

But that'd be kinda unnecessary

Considering 1981's life without sorrow happens

And I also believe Caroline did not merged

It's the Elixir of Life and Death, after all

Not the Elixir of fusion

[brisk tartan]

Where do you think she went after mr crow took her up the elevator ?(in underground blossom)

[rancid slate]

Same place as Dale, the Hotel

[brisk tartan]

Something I found really confusing is that it is HEAVILY implied that Laura killed herself but in the ending for chapter 2 of paradox we (as dale vandermeer) kill her, so what really happened in that paradox cutscene?

[azure bay]

Paradox is a dream

it teaches some lessons and probably tries to fool the reality

[brisk tartan]

oh ok, thanks!

[azure bay]

probably succeeds

[brisk tartan]

Does anyone know what happened to Leonard and Frank after roots? The last time we see them they were wrapped in roots but the same thing happened to Rose and she survived

[tight ember]

I’m pretty sure they both died because when Rose contacts William using the ouija board William says he needs sacrifices to live again, and he got the them from the vanderboom family, but I think he may have needed living people as a sacrifice

[azure bay]

the sacrifices are the organs

10 sacrifices, 3 timepieces, not a word about 2 whole extra corpses

[brisk tartan]

I just find it weird how they are never mentioned even once after roots

[azure bay]

I think they are in a character limbo.

Their arcs are complete but the devs are probably keeping their fate uncertain until they finally decide if they need them for some new story

when asked directly they refused to answer

[brisk tartan]

I guess it's possible that they're stayed at the Vanderboom house while Rose and Laura moved away and they died sometime before Laura moved back to rusty lake

[floral mauve]

[floral mauve]

did someone ask that

[azure bay]

or moved out on their own. I can totally see Mr. Owl buying out all the property in the vicinity

[floral mauve]

they always say things like maybe

[azure bay]

not always but that was the case that time

[floral mauve]

ofc they would deny absurd accusations

like was Laura the daughter of Frank

type of shi

[brisk tartan]

SOMEONE ASKED THAT?

[floral mauve]

incesto bad

[azure bay]

actually I've been recently pointed to evidence why she isn't

when there're direct blood relations, the branches are reinforced with a black line

Laura is connected with Frank and Leonard only with a branch. Rose is connected with a line too

[brisk tartan]

Somehow i've never noticed that line

it's a cool detail

[floral mauve]

ooooo

bro cooks good

finally for once bro didnt burn the kitchen

[azure bay]

https://tenor.com/bevyt.gif

[tight ember]

Hmm maybe the tree itself wanted the sacrifice??

[rancid slate]

Actually, I ate the two

Was hungry

Don't regret

[daring cloud]

from my understanding mr owl is the start of the lake after he killed us in roots secret ending,

but how did he turn into an owl

[azure bay]

wdym by "is the start of the lake"?

[daring cloud]

i worded it wrong, sorry… i’m asking how he turned into an owl in the first place

[azure bay]

It's revealed in Rusty Lake Paradise

[daring cloud]

well i think i know which game im playing next

[azure bay]

Mr. Owl isn't in Roots if you've got any wrong idea. Only a single mention

[daring cloud]

hold on, in the secret ending after you get all the golden emblems he is there or am i misremembering it

[azure bay]

one brother is Crow, the other is dead

[daring cloud]

ohhh

alright yeah i’m misremembering it, sorry

[azure bay]

we play as his ghost and lead him to rebirth as Laura

[daring cloud]

ohhhh

[rancid slate]

William

[daring cloud]

so i got some more questions:

what causes a corrupted soul,

what do the cubes actually do/mean

who is the guy we see fishing in the porthole in The Cave(submarine part)

[azure bay]

Corruption can be caused by different things. Or rather triggered?

[rancid slate]

The guy is just a random fisherman, for now

[azure bay]

Bad memory extraction may or may not cause it

horrible death may or may not cause it

just feeling very bad may or may not cause corruption

even without dying

[rancid slate]

Example: Bob

[azure bay]

I have no idea how this is supposed to work or how it doesn't break the worldbuilding if we dare to take it literally (which we probably shouldn't) but placing coins on the eyes of the deceased may cause corruption too

[azure bay]

and cubes are a subject of long heated debates until you play The Past Within

[rancid slate]

And Corrupted Souls can also exist both physically and not

For example, it is implied that the Vanderboom family doesnt see corrupted William

While in other cases, it seems like we can indeed see a corrupted soul

[brisk tartan]

I've heard someone say that white cubes represent good memories, black cubes represent bad memories, blue cubes represent a change in memory and golden cubes represent true memory (since it's made of all the other cubes)

[rancid slate]

Golden Cubes are still an "unsure" concept

[daring cloud]

well i don’t have anyone to play the past within with and im broke to buy it so

[azure bay]

they are correct about black and white one but it's superficial and kinda debunked by TPW.

blue cubes change nothing, people do. blue cubes control time and rewind it in case people miss their opportunity

golden cubes are advertised as a form of the elixir of life and death but depicted as another pseudo-memory container

[daring cloud]

anyway, gtg

[brisk tartan]

Wait what did the past within reveal about the cubes (i've played it but i can't remember)

[azure bay]

1. cube inhabitants are living thinking people. They don't take external changes for granted

[brisk tartan]

Wait what do you mean by cube inhabitants?

[azure bay]

Past Rose and Past Albert are in The Past which is black memory cube

but they don't abide to the script of the memory if somebody changes it. They react as people normally would

like "WTF a giant butterfly!!!"

2. cubes have an ability to change the world outside them if they somehow manage to place it in another cube inside them

effectively making them rather portals than containers

3. these worlds aren't connected by causality. If you change something inside a "memory", you change not THE past but rather A past (unless there's something crazy going on that we don't know of)

4. All cubes no matter where and when they were created are in The Lake where time does not exist

[brisk tartan]

So kinda like a parallel universes thing?

[azure bay]

I think exactly like parallel universes thing

[brisk tartan]

(this is kind of random) but is there any meaning to the fact that dale and laura's last names are similar?

like vanderboom and vandermeer both start with 'vander' and im wondering if it means anything or if it's just a coincidence

[azure bay]

they are as similar as Johnson and Williamson

"van der" means "from the"

Laura From The Tree

Dale From The Lake

[brisk tartan]

oh thats actually really cool

especially the meaning of Dales name since he is to take over mr owls role

And laura's name since the vanderboom tree is really important for her family

[short atlas]

I can’t believe I didn’t realise that paradox happens during cave, and birthday and theatre happen after

I’m so dumb

[elder tree]

im honestly the most curious about the diamond cube from paradox chapter 2 tbh

i can wrap my head around the other cubes bc we see them work lol

[tight ember]

I keep seeing people the lady in the trailer for servant of the lake is the same lady from the mill, she has a different facial structure but that could be due to the art style change since the mill came out awhile ago. I think she could be but also I have no clue I just want servant of the lake 🥲

[royal notch]

It was golden. Golden cubes contain a future "memory", but it' s still unclear how that is related to the elixir and what role it will play in the final ritual.

[daring cloud]

rusty lake is definitely building up to something, god knows what though

[royal notch]

It' s impossible she could have lived since the 1840s, unless she' s an enlightened kept hidden since the beginning, which is very unlikely.

[daring cloud]

what does laura mean in paradox when she says “Harvey’s egg, we’re back to where it all began”

[rancid slate]

Probably a reference to the fact that the first bad memory in Seasons is found inside Harvey's Egg

[short atlas]

Do we know who Mr Owl and Mr Boar’s ‘mutual friend’ is?

[rancid slate]

No

Could be a known character like Mr. Deer or Harvey

But it was never brought up again

[wheat ore]

maybe the name is hidden inside of the letter and we need to count the pixels to find out the next revealed characters

https://tenor.com/ob37Wh1Egz2.gif

[rancid slate]

It's Jeremiah Vandermeer

[charred kettle]

Hi! I'm here to ask some questions that have been on my mind. After Dale is captured by Mr. Crow in the mill, what order do the events in "Theatre" and "The Birthday" occur? I believe he was taken to the Paradox room after those two plays. Was he locked up there as a test to become the new Heir of the Lake, or was he trying to fix his broken mind, unable to accept Laura's death? Sorry for the bad English 😞

[charred kettle]

[floral mauve]

long question short answer: Mill Cave paradox birthday theatre, elevator starts for the bottom towards the hotel, birthday and theatre are the two stops in between to overcome or fix his mind somewhat, you can say its a test yes

[charred kettle]

Thanks

[daring cloud]

so is mr rabbits magic show canon

and does that mean that all the devs are canon

[royal notch]

I mean, if the devs weren' t canon, the universe of Rusty Lake would not exist at all! 😝

[daring cloud]

Uh- I mean… Hm…

You’re not wrong.

[royal notch]

Jokes aside, it' s probable that only the videogame (in the PC) can be considered part of the actual universe of Rusty Lake.

[daring cloud]

In 1904 (Roots) in the family band, Albert, Samual, Ida and Leonard dies but in 1904 Voodoo we see Albert, Ida and Samual?

[grand locust]

They die in same year,it’s just family band sho2s it from Leonard perspective,while voodoo shows how Albert did it,while being clean(later he is not caught by police)

[daring cloud]

Ohhh alright, ty!

[rancid slate]

Its is possible both happen at the same time but with Family Band starting first. It is also possible that it took many months for Voodoon to fully happen, since their death dates in Graveyard are in december

[brisk tartan]

What is the crow corrupted soul in roots? It appears a lot (especially around albert) but i dont know what it is, it feels like it should be mr crow but he isn't a corrupted soul

[rancid slate]

Hopefully we will know some day

[brisk tartan]

Does anyone have any theories about why Sanskrit is so prominent in the games? My theory is that since Sanskrit is the language of Hinduism and Hinduism strongly believes in rebirth then it links to the rebirth shown in rusty lake, especially since rebirth in Hinduism is called samsara and William's rebirth took place in SAMSARA room

[rancid slate]

Most of the sanskits (6 of them) are the names of each realm in the samsara wheel

Others are past, present and future

[brisk tartan]

I was asking like why specifically Sanskrit (sorry)

[rancid slate]

Probably just because it's where it is inspired from?

[brisk tartan]

yah thats what i was thinking too

[potent cobalt]

What if Albert is the crow and corrupted soul and maybe he is having a mental problem and maybe you know multiple personality disorder and I think he have that..? that's what i think

[rancid slate]

The bird corrupted soul is an asura (hybrid) while Albert has, so far, just been a regular human

So it is either one of the known bird asuras or a different/new character

[azure bay]

I'd rather bet on the buddhist version of samsara

[azure bay]

Mr. Crow is actually Albert's granduncle

Albert's corrupted soul is human, as it should be

[potent cobalt]

man...this lore is more confusing than fnaf

[azure bay]

not really? If you pay attention and fill in only the smallest gaps it's actually quite simple

[grand locust]

Multi layered?yes but not confusing if you read games like parts of bigger puzzle

[azure bay]

ok,Iherebydeclarewar

[grand locust]

Huh

[potent cobalt]

wElP

[rancid slate]

Fnaf doesnt even have a definitive year of when the games take place 💔

[potent cobalt]

Fr 😭

[grand locust]

Fnaf lore is in books
The freaking ahh mimic

[azure bay]

asfarasiget,thebookloreisn'tcanonbutmaygivetherightidea.atleastthat'swhatIheard

[grand locust]

Secret of mimic was such retcon of whole lore

Like so many FUNDAMENTAL stuff was shoved into trash can

[rancid slate]

The fnaf lore could be discussed in #🛖｜the-cabin

[azure bay]

I would joke about "please fix Case 23 dates" but yeah, it's already something

[grand locust]

Ye,sorry

[marsh remnant]

Since everyone has the “memories of the lake” role by default, what if we are all literally in the lake right now?? Are we all just tiny cubes that imagine ourselves in our once human bodies???

[wheat ore]

yup

get used to it

[warm kiln]

I mean... we're kinda using a rectangle (no a cube tho) to communicate with others online so... it is a possibility

[rancid slate]

Who couldve cut Albert's head?

Mr. Crow, William, Rose, Frank or the Roots CSoul?

Considering William could simply get his heart out of his old dead body, I think he's my choice for the question

We collect most sacrifices by ourselves

Tho

With James

We used the knife to cut his tongue

But with Albert his head is "already" cut

And even with us also having the knife, we dont use it on his head

So maybe William is so strong he can make a perfect cut through someone's skull

Only using his bare corrupted hands

This or the csoul's hostility allow him to do things like that

[floral veldt]

@honest brook I just finished watching your newst video but there's something I disagree with: I think that the reason why the roses were able to go to the lake was because they left the cubes. They we're both in "memories", past rose was in the black cube and future rose was in the golden one.
When they enter a cube their consciousness is transfered to their "avatar" bodies, but because of the plan to change at the same time they got stuck in between, and that is the lake.

After all we see lots of cubes in the lake, maybe every cube as a replica of it self in the lake?

[grand locust]

His scalp is cut perfectly alined with the crown,so maybe that thing might have been used for it?

[rancid slate]

I presume the loop made time "break" so they were "sent" to a place where time doesnt exist

Or atleast their minds

[floral veldt]

It's that, for example, the bday memory, how did it get to the lake?

I know, dale took a swim there and it just dissolved, but rose also went to the lake

[rancid slate]

Well, there werent two Dales from different times in Bday

And Dale was still just in the elevator

[floral veldt]

And roses' bodies were left in the cubes lifeless... I think

[rancid slate]

Personally I believe not

[floral veldt]

Do you think they just... Vanished? Or smt like that?

[rancid slate]

No

I believe only their representative minds left

[floral veldt]

Cause like, Dale's mind went inside the cube while his body stayed idle outside. Roses' bodies could be there in the cubes, idle, waiting for a mind that will never come

[floral veldt]

Like a conscience?

[rancid slate]

Possibly

[floral veldt]

Yeah, I think we meant to say the same thing

[rancid slate]

UB's Black memory shows an alternate event too

With Albert waking up while in his coffin

Uncorrupted

So that could be possibly the original event

Not sure if corruption was needed for corrupted Albert to appear

The one from Child Lane

I believe Nowhere mentioned it before

Since it is implied Albert only corrupted by following Future's Rose instructions of putting coins on his eyes

How could they be there?

Assuming UB Rose is Past Rose

It could make more sense

But it is still very unclear what happened between TPW's Past original events and UB

And also what happens after 1984

If Albert is trapped inside the cube, then how could he appear later in, for example, the BKM Station?

It seems like becoming a Tree was something only Rose did

[grand locust]

Yup

[grand locust]

It’s Albert,he found a way

[rancid slate]

And

There's also the fact that Roses were human

But for Albert it was one human and a corrupted soul

So possibly that's how he got out?

Like

He was gonna become a tree but The Lake said "nah ✋ your counterpart is corrupted. Go back to the normal world"

❌

(Deva Dale rejected him)

[grand locust]

That looks like rap battle screenshot

[grand locust]

Him being not in unison on both sides could be good explanation why he didn’t turn into tree,despite holding the cubes
While Roses simply touched them

[rancid slate]

EPIC RAP BATTLES OF HISTORY
Daaalee Vandermer
VERRSUSS
Aaaaalbee-

Fight!
-Yo my name is Albert
-

Another reason for why Id like to believe Rose is still able to control her body post-TPW is so she can now finally spend more time with her dad... and maybe with Laura too

[grand locust]

Albert:
Youngest of threes,wasn’t treated the nicest
Having murder count,handing them the sacrifices
Every new blood,Got thirsty for more and more
Ended up torturing my “dearest” brother by voodoo doll

[grand locust]

Same
I believe Albert is loving father,horribl monster of human being,but loving father

Besides,Rose seems to be al2ays giving herself for others:either to resurrect William or help her father

[royal notch]

Could this structure be submerged by the near stony hills and its air pockets become the cave system of Rusty Lake? After all, what would be the the reason to decorate that secret lair with columns and arches?

[rancid slate]

You mean the Cave in which we go in CE: The Cave?

That one is the Roots painting region

[amber dagger]

Is the rabbit guy that appeared in cube escape birthday connected to Mr rabbit in any way? I’ve been playing this series back from the beginning and just thought abt this

[rancid slate]

This one is way outside the map

[rancid slate]

They are the same person, yes

[rancid slate]

They look like ruins too

Im seeing 3-5 windows

Seems like the other half is either destroyed or being built

Possibly a building older than Paradise

[amber dagger]

They look completely different though

[rancid slate]

You have played Hotel, right?

[amber dagger]

Yes

[rancid slate]

At the end, we see all the corrupted souls of the guests

Including Mr. Rabbit's

[amber dagger]

I’ll check it out again

[rancid slate]

The white face is possibly a mask

[remote remnant]

these are all the potential structures i could find in this new area

[rancid slate]

Nice catch

There coul be some more in the left side too

Since there are also more trees covering the rest of it

[remote remnant]

true

im intrigued by the castle like building in the back

I dont think it's been shown in any of the games yet

[rancid slate]

Yeah, this entire side is new

[remote remnant]

its pretty cool seeing the other side

[royal notch]

Alright, but technically the bridge shouldn' t be there either.

[rancid slate]

Why not?

It's a bridge, another one

[royal notch]

Oh, well, in that case...

Still, i think the position of those ruins can match with the cave' s.

[remote remnant]

we see where the cave is at the start of CE the cave

the ruins or whatever that is on the right side of the house, while the cave is on the left

[rancid slate]

Yeah

[rancid slate]

Possibly the Cave entrance?

It was sorta present in the Roots one too

But this is where it glows. Next to the floor, where it makes the most sense

I believe that's the entrance

[royal notch]

Oh, yeah, that' s more like it!

[rancid slate]

Just noticed the Well is nowhere to be seen

Considering the Well is also connected to the Lab, maybe there's a reason

[azure bay]

It cannot be connected while there still is water down there

Albert made that window himself

After it dried out

Speaking of the castle, what could there be?

It's not just there for the looks

It's kinda a Chekhov's gun

We will visit it eventually

And I'd like to think that will happen in SOTL

So why would we go there?

What's so important there?

For the brothers or for the servant

[remote remnant]

neither is the fence

then again this game is a prequel to roots so maybe we'll see them constructed during the game

[rancid slate]

Pretty sure the fence is there in other screenshots

Tho, considering the pov

It could be an offscreen fence that is in front of the house

[rancid slate]

Alchemy Lab or the new Castle/Ruins?

While the structure is different from Roots, it could maybe be a minor "redesign"

And the game is probably still gonna take place most of the time in the house

So going to the Lab is more likely

But for the Castle/Ruins, the only reason it could be there is just because of the different structure and texture it has

For actual theories, I think the Csoul wearing a cloak is a discussable detail

For its identity

I think there are 3 possibilities

1. They are one of the brothers or the Woman

Maybe they got corrupted (feelings being the reason) and are afraid of being seen

2. They are someone being tested on, being hold in the Lab

Very straightforward

If even Mrs. Pigeon showed interest in memory extraction

The Alchemist bros certainly could experiment with people too

And

3. They are from outside the house

Using the Castle/Ruins as its hidespot

[rancid slate]

Or they dont like the way they look

Ngl, they seem pretty friendly

[royal notch]

Honestly i' m not getting corrupted soul vibes from that. The small eyes, the fact it seems clothed... it doesn' t feel right. Plus the gray colour of the cloth at first suggested in me an idea of statue.

[remote remnant]

Aren't corrupted souls fully black even when clothed

I remember when bob turned to a CS he had clothes on but when he fully transformed he was all black

[rancid slate]

Yes

But what iff they get clothed after corruption?

[honest rain]

What is the train station from Underground Blossom (possibly a metaphor of Laura's whole life)?

[rancid slate]

Yes, pretty much

Even mentioned in the game's description

[azure bay]

Depends. Albert was wearing his mask as a separate object. Mr. Rabbit in Birthday was likely corrupted to a lesser extent

[azure bay]

I think it's a good opportunity to revisit the chapel

[rancid slate]

Not sure what could be there besides getting an object, but sure why not

Perhaps more into the Lake cult, similar to Paradise

Could the persian carpet have some deeper meaning?

Well, if I stretch it a little bit more it becomes a cube

[rancid slate]

Closest I could find in terms of the inner pattern

"The patterns and motifs woven into the rugs are not just random designs but are filled with meaning and symbolism. For example, the boteh, a teardrop-shaped motif, is often interpreted as a symbol of life and eternity. The colors used in the rugs also carry significance, with red symbolizing happiness and joy and blue representing solitude and peace."

"Rugs play a central role in many Iranian customs and traditions. They are often used in religious ceremonies, such as prayer, where a special prayer rug is used to create a clean and sacred space. In homes, rugs are often placed in the most important rooms, serving as functional items and decorative centerpieces. The care and maintenance of these rugs are also taken very seriously, as they are often passed down through generations as family heirlooms."
Source

Couldnt find much about meanings

There are some images showing possible meaning for symbols but I cant really identify the shapes in the SotL rug

[rancid slate]

Similar shape!

What if the bone Aldous gives to James (suitcase) is from someone from SotL? 👁️

And if the Visitor woman really is James's mom, it would quite fitting, lol

Except for the last name rule 💥

(If she's a sister)

I have a small reason to believe why she could die

It seems like, whoever she is, she's not someone who would be supposed to see the alchemy stuff

Someone that the servant would help to avoid her to know about the lab

A secret

But she probably still is needed for it, since she may have one of the Timepieces

Or be given one

[royal notch]

Could she be the brothers' mother? It was common for rich women to afford heavy make-up for looking young.

[rancid slate]

I thought about that too

Margareth is old and Nicholas seems too

So the visitor sure could be their mom too

[rancid slate]

Update to my bingo

Seems like the BINGO1 is already hopeless

3rd RLU campaign before 2nd? Probably not happening

Mirror Foreshadow could technically be marked with CMr Rabbit appearing in the mirror

For the ARG.. Well, maybe in the possible public demo?

For other reasons, I have also decided to make another bingo card, but exclusively to SotL

Template

Using the old material cuz why not?

Most of guesses were already for the, at the time, unnamed Vanderboom game so they are here too

I think these are more likely to happen while still being not obvious things like "corrupted soul will appear"

"Explanation on how they knew Crow" refers to them already having crows present in both crest, the Roots placements for the Timepieces and the newest addition: Mr. Crow painting in SotL

Maybe it could be some kind of spiritual animal which they could feel and know their soul are?

But that would either mean the Elixir was "rigged" to Aldous or William also would be a Crow

The brothers getting sick is more of a cause that could lead to them seeking the Elixir

If they just get sick in the game but it doesnt have anything to do with the Elixir motivation, I probably won't mark it

After seeing the "weekend" in the description I lost a bit of hope for Baby James but maybe with a timeskip, post-game or something else

I may consider some ingredients for the recipe one, even if it's not the full or final version

And if William only has his birth year shown, it will be enough too

[rancid slate]

But maybe I'll replace it once we have more info about the game

Wait uuhhh

Wait uuhhh

Since SotL is coming in 2026

I could update 2025's bingo and remove the SotL stuff

Tho, Im not too sure what non-SotL stuff I could add

I'll see what I can do tommorow

[rancid slate]

Here's what I came up with

Mostly things about teasers and irl stuff

I'd say something a predictable demo secret would be Servant's identity similar to UB's protagonist

Or RLU 2nd campaign news

So I would only mark it if it was something else

[remote remnant]

do yall think the next few games are gonna delve into the history of rusty lake like Sotl or are we getting a day of the lake game immediately after?

[rancid slate]

Mmmm

If we are going for patterns

DotL could be next

But I could see another "minor project" before DotL

SotL seems big, so DotL right after could be too much?

But it's possible

Since they considered doing TPW and Mammoth right after doing Paradox 😁

[jovial merlin]

Do u guys think there are going to be more games after Dotl? Or do yall think it would kind of finish the story?

[azure bay]

We're getting a mammoth game, we're getting Dale's finale, we are probably still getting another Second Maze-branded spin-off, Albert is back and did nothing significant.

And the devs said they have many ideas

[jovial merlin]

Omg my boy dale is coming back

[rancid slate]

Dont forget the Young Bird trilogy and movie

[azure bay]

no, we absolutely need to forget that

[rancid slate]

Im breaking all the memory extractors so you are never forgetting it

[floral mauve]

Hold up the dale finale is never confirmed so it will be later than ps6

Probably we will get something Dale related for paradox decade anniversary

[azure bay]

Teasers in UB make me think that it's coming sooner rather than later

[rancid slate]

I will be as old as Mr. Owl 1972 by that time

Speaking of old things

[floral mauve]

2028 is already pretty soon

[rancid slate]

The SotL carriage is older than Caroline, right?

[floral mauve]

We know sotl is 2026 spring

So

Let’s say either mammoth is by the end of 2026 or 2027

[rancid slate]

We still have no actual teaser for it, tho

Maybe in roadmap?

If there's one again

We didnt get one for this year

[floral mauve]

That’s every Christmas present I suppose

[rancid slate]

Just the MRMS teaser image instead

[floral mauve]

I say 2028 is by far the optimistic answer

[rancid slate]

If the Mammoth in MRMS was for it, they could maybe be working on more ideas of it behind the scenes

[remote remnant]

Rusty lake primal

[daring cloud]

what exactly gives the lake its abilities?

like, what makes it different from any other lake

[rancid slate]

Going for theories

Maybe The Lake was like somewhere close to the beggining of the world

Connected to life, death and spirits

For both all animals

Very religious stuff, I presume

Maybe The Lake itself is some sort of higher being

[daring cloud]

huh, alright

[rancid slate]

It probably also has all the memories, in some way

It has Dale's memories even tho he never got them extracted

Nor Rose in TPW

So I would say it has all of them in a spiritual way too

While extracting them make them manifest physically

[daring cloud]

alright... interesting

[warm kiln]

you can see a room in there (ignore Shayy in the corner)

[rancid slate]

Shayy's honest reaction, lol

[rancid slate]

Yes, thats the kitchen

Right next to the hall with Aldous's portait

And ahead, what Im calling the "main hall"

That one with the chair and cat

[warm kiln]

-# ºh

I see

[rancid slate]

I actually thought the left room to the Aldous portrait hall was a kitchen since the Maid teaser was posted

Just because it would make sense I guess?

For other rooms, after the main hall it seems like we have another hall

The gray one with the maid

[warm kiln]

ah yes, rusty lake mental health and fishing, known for making sense

[rancid slate]

And to the right, a blue hall where I presume Aldous's bedroom is next

[rancid slate]

"If you ignore what doesn't make sense, it all makes sense"
-Me, right now

[warm kiln]

I wonder if there's gonna be more lore drop regarding Aldous and crows

[rancid slate]

I hope

Theres already a crow in his window

[rancid slate]

What if the building Caroline is in is the Castle/Ruins in SotL?

Havent seen a city so far

Besides the ones in Paradox's globe, I guess

[rancid slate]

Assuming the dark area in the trailer is the Castle/Ruins

[rancid slate]

Just realized

The Carriage is now the 2nd oldest thing in Rusty Lake

Atleast with a confirmed year

1st being the Mammoth

Ofc, the Lake is probably older but who knows?

I believe the Grandfather clock could the 2nd or 3rd

That is, if there's only one

SotL is also another chance for the Cave/Paradise rock to be used

[azure bay]

I'd leave it be. This building was nothing for 10 years. It's not very likely it was retconned now

[azure bay]

What about the chapel?

[rancid slate]

I forgor

[rancid slate]

Seems like the same arch structure from that dark area

Tho, the straight lines could also mean a door

[grand locust]

Cloaked Corrupted soul
Who the hell it can be?

[rancid slate]

Maybe that's..

AytmhsepLC Vanderboom.. the secret 3rd brother

Plot twist: It's the Intern

Made it easier to see

Full

Ignore the FGS logo, I used the old trailer

While it still has the arch format

I believe it still can be somewhere else

I tried doing a reverse search

This is the restoration of the 98% darker place

(I put a layer of full blaxk at 98% transparency on it and then kept making it brighter)

Was expecting some green or purple just like the one with the CSoul

Or pink, magenta

But only yellow and red came

At 99%, only red can be restored

Where could be green?

In the house, ofc

They are just colors so I cant really prove it, but coincidentally the dark pink color from where CSoul is matched this wood quite really well

Not much about the green 💥

Guess we gotta wait

[ionic plaza]

What if:

The flower could actually be a living person, a potential person that was buried underneath the flowers or smth

[brisk tartan]

Emma's flower?

[rancid slate]

It was the servant

[ionic plaza]

The one that impregnated her yes

[royal notch]

Is it possibile that in "CE: The cave", Mr Crow didn' t go directly underneath the hotel to lure away the 5 corrupted souls from the white room? But then how did he defend himself by Mr Boar' s corrupted soul' s attack and by the others during the walk?

[rancid slate]

His aura prevented the attacks

[azure bay]

The flowers were potted

[remote remnant]

Does mr owl genuinely not have arms during UB or did he just fold them behind his back

[rancid slate]

Back

[remote remnant]

I've seen many people say he "lost his arms" but I honestly think it's the latter

[rancid slate]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-crow-aldous-vanderboom-key-rusty-lake-roots-rusty-lake-gif-3266120190019401818

Like here

[remote remnant]

yeah

[rancid slate]

Guess the item

1. Can be used

[remote remnant]

the jar

from roots

[rancid slate]

That already eliminates 1 item

Paradise shovel

[craggy notch]

wait what?

[rancid slate]

https://youtube.com/shorts/99L1T5AdE0Y

[craggy notch]

oh ok

[rancid slate]

Wait actually

The semi-arch structure too

Reused in Roots, interesting