🤔｜theories

[azure bay]

that's different, don't you think? Initially it was an intentionally ambiguous story point that was eventually resolved.

Albert's corruption doesn't feel like that

Eilanders' ascension doesn't feel like that

Harvey becoming an asura in UB doesn't feel like that

in Albert's specific case it feels like they are literally connecting The Past and The Future and the rest feels like overthinking

[vivid bridge]

I see it the exact opposite way

Albert gets resurrected in the real world but we only see a changed memory

that's how it usually goes in rusty lake

like with Birthday, Seasons or Theatre

[azure bay]

the problem is, in UB we see an unchanged memory. And it's just just like the one supposedly changed. It's way too suspicious.

[rancid slate]

Theatre barely is altered

[vivid bridge]

🤨

[azure bay]

5 brand new plays feels like a significant change

[vivid bridge]

thats the one that's the most changed

[rancid slate]

Barely

[vivid bridge]

Owl completely hijacked the play for his own purposes

[rancid slate]

For the characters

[azure bay]

guys, that beyond the point

[rancid slate]

Dale's the only one really affected

[vivid bridge]

Again, isn't this evidence that Albert got corrupted in the real past? If the only real change is that suddenly the room is inside a box in the future?

[azure bay]

Depends. It might as well imply FRose's intervention as a part of the real past. That's the only way we know how it all would happen and the rest are baseless assumptions I'm not sure we have the right to make

[vivid bridge]

I feel like I have the right to make that assumption

because the alternative is world breaking stupid

[rancid slate]

Id say there are no enough evidences for Future Rose in UB Lab cube

[azure bay]

stupid is subjective. And stupid tends to be real. Again, I don't like it either but we have to face the reality (or a potential reality for that matter) even if we hate it

[vivid bridge]

also past!Rose never gets told to resurrect Albert. All Albert's notes say is to extract the substances (which is what we know definitely didn't happen in the real world). For all we know, that crazy voodoo chick Rose did the coins thing on her own

I'd rather assume this one small thing than completely change the way the world works which fucks up everything else

[azure bay]

but we don't know how the world works. We only think we do. In the reality we may have been wrong all along. For instance, there were blunt hints that altering memories changes a reality even back in Seasons.

[rancid slate]

Real

[vivid bridge]

No it doesn't

[azure bay]

For some reason, the devs have chosen to place "phone+fuel=change the past" into their game despite previously calling it all memories.

And assuming Laura is wrong is no better than assuming she's right

[rancid slate]

I think Rusty Lake "time travel" is that type which each one of the cases are different and everything is inconsistent just for the fun and plot

[vivid bridge]

If you say i'll never convince you of limited memories then I'll tell you right now you will never convince me that the series about changing memories isn't actually about changing memories

[rancid slate]

Only if consider UB Lab cube as = FTrose was there

Which I dont

[azure bay]

the difference is, you have no evidence to tell me I'm wrong. Even weak evidence for that sake. More like just your feelings. While I have some evidence. That you choose to ignore, again, because of feelings.

[vivid bridge]

well I have evidence, you just ignore it

[azure bay]

ok, list it again please

[vivid bridge]

both in Birthday and Seasons, we see that outside of the house the game takes place, there is only the lake

similar thing in TPW, the rooms inside the cubes aren't in a whole world, they're literally physically inside those boxes

so they're also not part of some bigger world

then, the people inside the cubes don't have free will. Even if you know the memory, you'll still repeat those events

only the blue cube gives you the ability to change those memories

[azure bay]

But that's the thing. Maybe not.

1. In Birthday it could all be just snow and the tree that really grows nearby. And in Seasons we see a cube from outside that may or may not have a part beyond the boundaries. The cube containing Seasons supposedly has the whole Laura's life inside. Her memories were extracted in bulk. Just like The Lab contains the whole floor Laura's cubes would feature all the locations she visited during her life

2. People inside cubes DO have free will. PRose doesn't ignore FRose as a brainless programmed automaton would do. All I see is people going too deep into their memories, into their past mindsets. Forgetting that they traveled back in the 1st place.

3. Blue cubes don't change memories. People do. To be precise, people from outside. Like FRose, like Owl. All blue cubes are doing is letting them rewind the events past the point of no returned they missed. But the changes they do on their own.

[vivid bridge]

2. The Roses are a special case because the cubical device essentially activates the cube without anyone actually entering it like how its usually the case

[azure bay]

it's the same for Dale, really. It wasn't the blue cube that ultimately let him change the day, it was Mr. Owl giving it

[vivid bridge]

Yeah sure

[azure bay]

The Future really acts like The Past. Assuming that The Future suddenly has boundaries is bold because objectively nothing changed for it. Therefore, assuming any boundaries for The Past is also questionable.

Besides, we have Seasons again with Laura living another life without sorrow inside the cube after she beats corruption. For 17 years. 17 years she'd live differently, visiting new places and meeting new people.

[vivid bridge]

We don't really know that. For all we know, then moment she blasts the mirror with the phone beam, time shifts back to '81

[azure bay]

ok, based on Seasons alone that's fair. But UB implies she has a fulilling life now

[vivid bridge]

even if the blossom tornado is seasons (I hate the things I'm forced to write) then that doesn't mean that fulfilling life is inside the cube

if the main ending for UB is the end of Laura's story, she could just leave the lake and live a regular life in the regular world

[azure bay]

there's no other reason to teleport into 1981

[vivid bridge]

to show that inside the memory, 1981 isn't a fucked up saw trap anymore

[azure bay]

I guess

[vivid bridge]

she changes the past (of her memory)

yeah idk

seasons is weird man

[azure bay]

she has to change herself in some shape or form

[wheat ore]

but don't the games have stuff like a full grown tree out of a fish or reincarnating and your own corrupted soul kills you ? I feel like that's not very displaced in this universe

[azure bay]

every little thing should be proven separately

one kind of weirdness doesn't automatically justify other weirdness

[wheat ore]

true but I don't think we should brush off things for being bizarre considering the context !

[azure bay]

we should brush them off by default unless they have at least some evidence

human mind is a wild place

its imagination can go crazy places if unchecked

the devs may have a crazy mind but that doesn't mean they'd come up with the specific thing the next guy would

[grim plover]

I have a question. Who exactly was rebirthed, was it really mister owl or was it Laura? Because rose is holding Laura’s dress in her hand aswell as the baby at the end of Roots.

Idk where to ask this help

[azure bay]

Willam was reborn as Laura

Jakob was technically reborn as Owl

[grim plover]

Ah… interesting.

[hidden bridge]

I have a theory question, how many games, outside of arles, can it be considered that you playing as the corrupt soul of Vincent van goh

[azure bay]

0

We know all the protagonists:

Seasons, The Lake - Laura

Harvey's Box, Hotel, Underground Blossom - Harvey

Case 23, Birthday, Theatre, Paradox - Dale

The Mill, The Cave - Mr. Crow

Roots, Samsara Room - William

Paradise - Jakob

The White Door - Bob

The Past Within - Rose

[trail garnet]

The only reason why arles exists is maybe becuz at that time rusty lake was a twin peaks fan project and reflected on mental health so maybe they made arles at the time so as Vincent van Gogh suffered from mental health problems so they made it to reflect on that

[hidden bridge]

ah

[trail garnet]

Tbh arles is one of the most confusing aspects of rusty lake

[honest brook]

And probably also because Van Gogh was Dutch, just like the developers

[azure bay]

is it?

[trail garnet]

Yeah

[trail garnet]

I'll say as it has nothing to do with the story

[azure bay]

it doesn't automatically make it confusing

I think it's ok to expand the universe with unrelated side stories

I'd even like to see more of such games. But not before they finish Dale's story because it's been too long

[trail garnet]

Tbf I get what u mean

[wheat ore]

he also was depressed and cut off his ear, imo he fits right into the RL universe

[trail garnet]

In the theme of rusty lake it would make sense as you said Vincent van Gogh suffered from mental health issues which is a key factor in rusty lake

In the timeline not rlly imo as the only reference it has to rusty lake is the 1853 achievement which I think is just a reference

[azure bay]

I don't get what you want to say here

[trail garnet]

Basically in the main rusty lake timeline arles has not rlly any connection to it I think

Although as u said it could be more of a side story unrelated to it

[azure bay]

I have a theory after CEC introduced achievements

in this universe Vincent may have attended RL MH&F instead of St. Paul asylum. And thus drew not St. Remi in his Starry Night but Rusty Lake

[trail garnet]

That would make sense actually

[azure bay]

but yeah, it's just a theory

[wheat ore]

a RUSTY THEORY

[azure bay]

the ARG possibly means that it's not a different version of Starry Night but rather a lost painting Lake at Midnight

[clear remnant]

I'm sorry if this is a famous easter egg.
In rusty lake hotel, there's invitation card for 'the memories of the lake' in the room of Ms. Pheasant and the date is Sunday, 8th August.
But august 8th, 1893 is Tuesday. (rusty lake hotel is set in 1893)
Interestingly, cube escape : theatre is set in 1971 and august 8th, 1971 is Sunday.
I love details like this.

[rancid slate]

I dont think it was intentional

Just a smol oversight

[timber narwhal]

So is the vanderboom and vandermeer connected at all or is it just a coincidence they have a similar sounding name?

[shrewd kernel]

It's a coincidence. They are definitely not related. There are theories that the Eilanders and Vanderbooms are related, but not the Vanderbooms and Vandermeers.

[azure bay]

They are as similar as Caulson and Paulson

[azure bay]

There are theories about VDB & VDM being related.

Mr. Crow can be Dale's biological grandpa

[floral veldt]

My view is that Dale is "changing" the past by changing his perception of it, by adultering his own memories.

You could say its his way of curing trauma and being more mentally stable,

something Mr. Owl would be very interested in, as dale seems to be his chosen hero, his successor to the lake

so perhaps, mr crow being there was just him doing mr owl a favor by helping dale

[azure bay]

TPW has shown that memory cubes are much more than perception. Cube inhabitants are real people that consider their surrounding normal. You can't just introduce a new grandpa without everyone noticing that. It needs to be more discrete

[floral veldt]

hmmm

dale thinks whats happening inside the cube is real, we know it because we play from his perspective

we know dale is a cube inhabitant, but what about his parents?

would them be dead prior to the cube "activation" change anything?

We know the mind is very important because it is what can remember and thus experience the world, otherwise we would just be reacting to stimuli all the time

and there seems to be some need for a conscience to enter a cube

other wise we could have animals going in and out

but this rases another question, what happened to dale while he was inside the bday cube? is there even any timespan to call "while"

was he just standing there in front of it?

[rancid slate]

Probably holding and starin at it

[brisk oak]

#🤔｜theories CU:B, how can I get Harvey's achievement...

[azure bay]

TPW have shown that ALL cube inhabitants are real people.

Future Rose doesn't enter The Past until the very end. And yet Past Rose as well as Past Albert are acting independently. And Albert being "dead prior to memory activation" doesn't matter

[azure bay]

We can argue that we've seen a person entering a cube in Paradise. Nicolas was sitting there with eyes closed and the cube in hands.

[azure bay]

I think they accidentally can if they happen to stumble upon a cube and concentrate on it enough. It's just very unlikely to happen

[floral veldt]

Could we say that they are like puppets? Bodies without a soul?

[rancid slate]

The channel for that would be #cube-escape-series-help

You can play Rusty Lake Hotel and get a code after getting all stars

Or you can search for this code in another Harvey related object in Cube Escape Collection

[azure bay]

no, PRose is just as alive as FRose, they are equal in the tree

and PAlbert is literally a soul

more so. The Past and The Future are equal too in TPW

both end up in cubes

both can alter one another

[floral veldt]

Is everything in cubes?

[azure bay]

that's my personal conclusion

[floral veldt]

Even the places no-one is there to witness?

[vivid bridge]

I disagree with nowhere on that

Memory People aren't equal to real people. Their world is only active when someone is projecting themselves into it. The only time we've seen a memory person active on their own is through the cubical devices, which is a special case

and every memory person who left their memory has turned into a tree so we can't judge them based on them in the real world

plus the real world is above and around the lake, not in some cube

Actually, the idea of the main universe being inside a cube and some kind of god is the one always observing the cube so that the world can exist is pretty cool but its not something I'd expect Rusty Lake to delve into

[rancid slate]

There may be not a "main" timeline

There are usually 2 explanations

1. Memories are memories/fake realities/not as real as the "main" timeline. They can affect or help the "main" tl in someway, but are not actually happening when not active/acessed by the outside

2. All memories are in fact reality, as TPW suggests (...) With the Lake most likely holding a bunch of different timelines, like the many Dales we see in Paradox

But Im not sure if someone has considered something in the middle of these two explanations

So, here's my other possibility

3. All memories are different timelines, yes yes, but all characters are also not different. All the people inside are the same as outside. They're all doing what their other counterparts aren't, making it possible to exist in different timelines with different outcomes, but still being one being (bruh) and maybe, when "one of your variations" finds peace, all do aswell. Seems a bit weird to explain in words, but in a narrative, this saves from falling into the confusion of multiverses/too many different timelines to consider. While in the same time, you are considering all timelines as one timeline

[vivid bridge]

nope, no idea what you're saying

[floral veldt]

Could we say the cubed universe only exists when some witnesses/rememberes it? Then is the CD a mind-simularor?

[vivid bridge]

essentially

the only time we really see anyone interacting with a cube in third person is Nicholas during Flies

so that's presumably what any cube user looks like

in a trance while their mind is inside

which makes me wonder what happens if an unrelated person looks inside a cube where they're not present

because then what form would they take?

[floral veldt]

EXACTLY! i always wondered that!

Could that be the reason why Nicholas wasnt able to find one of the ingredients inside the cube?

[honest brook]

I personally believe that the "inside" of the cube doesn't exist until you go inside it, with the Cubical Device also serving that purpose

[floral veldt]

Also, what if the lake is the only place that actually exists? And our perception of the world is nothing but our interpretation of the cubes we are in? When we enter a cube (or exit) we would only be traveling between cubes but always inside the lake

And what rose did was break out during the transition between cubes

[vivid bridge]

what about the surface of the lake

that leads to the main reality

[floral veldt]

Well, outside of the lab, there should be reality too, no?

And you would find a cube there, somewhere

And be able to go to the lake inside the cube,

And go into the lake inside of the cube in the lake inside of the cube and so on and so on

In essence, the lake would be the common point of all cubes/realities

And in turn, be the only one we can be sure of

[vivid bridge]

I really haven't seen any evidence that's worth anything that the main reality is a cube, though

it having a regular entrance through the surface of the lake seems to be pretty definitive evidence against it

[floral veldt]

(the lake is square shapped)

[vivid bridge]

Nowhere thinks the main reality is a cube is because in The Cave, for no actual reason a god damn blue cube shows up, which makes no sense but nowhere extrapolates from that that it means the real world follows cube rules too

which I think is ludicrous

[floral veldt]

He said something very interesting tho, and I would like to try buding from it

Nowhere mentioned Decartes' "I think therefore I am"

Could it be that things in RL exist because there is conscience to it?

And I wouldn't question "oh but what about evolution and the time before organisms had concience" because we have animal head people and anything is possible

[vivid bridge]

Theoretically the cube denizens are fully functional people, yes, as we see with the people inside cubes when activated (especially past-memory!Rose)

but that doesn't mean the real world is a cube, too

[floral veldt]

You're assuming there is only one version of reality

Is the lake in the real world?

I think we should pick up from a regular cube occurrence, no special shenanigans

[vivid bridge]

its connected to the real world through the lake's surface

[floral veldt]

Just like a cube is, by its faces

[floral veldt]

Could Birthday be a candidate?

[honest brook]

I would think so

[floral veldt]

So

Lets pick up what we have:

The memory is of a normal (or not so) day lived ny dale, it is remembered and solidified all in dale's perspective

In the memory we have him, his parents and his grandpa

Along with a cat, a fly, a fish and Mr rabbit

The room presents a door and windows which lead to the outside

The memory is accessed/activated by dale

Him being inside the lake could be counted as a discrepancy

Dale enters the cube while in the elevator and his field of view I covered by the cube, essentially transporting him inside

[rancid slate]

What about Paradise cubes?

[floral veldt]

They are presented differently from most other cubes

[rancid slate]

And are the most normal too

[honest brook]

It might be because some of them don't even have Jakob in them

[rancid slate]

Seen not inside the Lake or any kind of machine

[floral veldt]

But they are also not activated by their "protagonist"

[floral veldt]

It's not a matter of having or not Jacob, it's that the cube itself is seen and was created from Caroline's pov

[rancid slate]

Hotel Cube?

[floral veldt]

Sure we don't see it from her eyes, we see it from 2nd person but that is just for storytelling

[floral veldt]

What it created or extracted?

[rancid slate]

The white one

[floral veldt]

Yes, but how was it obtained? Was it like Caroline's? Or like Rose's?

[honest brook]

I think it's from the guests

somehow

[floral veldt]

Tbf Rose's may be just a modern way of extracting the cube

Hmmm

What about the mill ones?!

[rancid slate]

They are in a machine too

[floral veldt]

Hmm

So, how do we find a good cube example?

Our controll group?

Well, can't we analyse different cubes and keep only what is common in both?

[rancid slate]

Get all cubes and compare all of them

[floral veldt]

Exactly!

[rancid slate]

And then compare to the "reality"

[floral veldt]

You mean, our perception of it?

I keep insisting because we can't be sure we aren't inside a cube ourselves

Dale wasn't very interested in leaving the bday cube

He was just doing what felt right to him

[rancid slate]

If Albert said it, then it's real

Albert would never lie

[floral veldt]

Please, illuminate me

[rancid slate]

We are all trapped in little cubes or something

[floral veldt]

He lied the whole game tho

No wonder he's the devil

are these all categories?

[rancid slate]

Maybe another one to tell who's seeing it

[vivid bridge]

the hotel white cube isn't Dale's perspective since Dale is in the elevator

it would make more sense if it's harvey

[floral veldt]

Should we leave it like this?

[rancid slate]

Hotel shows "Future" (timeless)

TPW Past is Black

And the TPW Future is also in the Past Cubical Device

[floral veldt]

but in the end they are accessed by both roses

what others are there?

[honest brook]

But the one in Paradox isn't an actual cube, it's all part of the simulation

[floral veldt]

yeah it isnt a real memory cube, but it could be one transformed into that paradox room, no?

[covert wyvern]

This seems like a fun project, may be worth sharing the sheet here with commenting enabled?:)

Happy theorising!

[floral veldt]

we see dale grab it at the end of the movie and enter it once again

[floral veldt]

Damy how heavy are the cubes?

[covert wyvern]

How heavy are your memories

[floral veldt]

fair

[covert wyvern]

(I can't actually answer that question)

[rancid slate]

True, technically the Cubical Device only holds the cubes, but Rose is the one acessin it

[floral veldt]

https://1drv.ms/x/c/5b4fd8062562ae4e/EUJo5Lbub-NPorAGlQpqs64Bf_JBe2gnBu9aeZ_PAWk5eg?e=Oh3BXU

[rancid slate]

Heavy enough to descend into the waters of the Lake and light enough to float in the air

[floral veldt]

here, like how Damy suggested

[covert wyvern]

(no pressure though! Figured it may be helpful is all)

[honest brook]

In Arles, it's the white cube that's from shooting his soul

[floral veldt]

thx!

[rancid slate]

Lake/Harvey's Box - Black - Corrupted Soul - Unknown - Death (?) - Unknown - Unknown
💥

[floral veldt]

added

[honest brook]

There's also Case 23, with its three cubes

[floral veldt]

what color?

[honest brook]

Two black ones and a white one, The white one is given by Laura through the TV, one of the black ones is taken from Robert's corrupted soul, the other is taken from the painting of the Lady of the Lake in the chapel

[floral veldt]

Added too

[honest brook]

And of course the four cubes of each colour from The Cave

They're presumably Laura's memories, although seen from the third person

[floral veldt]

they show anything at all?

I dont remember

[honest brook]

Yes, the black one shows Laura killing herself, the white one shows Laura with Harvey at the lake, the blue one shows a clock

[floral veldt]

OH YES THE PROCESSING TV

Should I include TWD ones?

[honest brook]

Do the ones in the Roots alchemy scene count?

[vivid bridge]

probably not

[floral veldt]

better not

but it does show a new way of obtaining them

although I wouldn't consider them very canon, and more a just an easteregg

[honest brook]

What about the black cubes of the hotel?

[floral veldt]

added them

[honest brook]

And do the cubes from Rusty Lake Untold: The Lab and the Research Facility from Underground Blossom also count?

[rancid slate]

The Blue in Cave is not confirmed to be from laura

The Book shows only the White and Black being from her

[floral veldt]

I'm not really sure

[rancid slate]

The one from UB is likely to be the same in TPW

[honest brook]

Then maybe it can say "TPW & UB" in the game column

[floral veldt]

Edited

[brisk oak]

Thank you for teaching me about it.
Btw I wrote wrong help... I wanted to know Harvey's achievement about CU:S ... If you have any hints for it, please give me tips🥲

[honest brook]

You spam click on Harvey

[brisk oak]

What is spam click?

[honest brook]

As in, click many times

[brisk oak]

Oh!Thank you for giving me many advices about CU:S‼︎🤩🤩🤩

[honest brook]

You're welcome, if you need more help you can ask in the channel #cube-escape-series-help (just click the blue link to be taken to that channel)

[brisk oak]

Thank yoou. You're such nice person!

[left remnant]

Can bee stings really leave scars like that, or did Albert have some sort of allergy?

[rancid slate]

Albert already had it at birth

But apparently, the bees made it worse

[floral mauve]

birthmark + scar

[left remnant]

Okay... ChatGPT says this:

[rancid slate]

ChatGPT is not a reliable source

Mammoth is

🦣 💬 Bees do that

[grizzled bluff]

I would not trust chatgpt with factual information, no.

Just, as a general warning

[left remnant]

Wait... How does this work? I mean, the birthmark was in the middle of his forehead, but the scar was on the left. He didn't have anything on the left side when he was born.

[rancid slate]

It migrated

🚶‍♀️

[left remnant]

Ah, I didn't know this is a thing that can happen. Nevermind. Thanks.

[rare tide]

One bee or bumblebee sting has a chance to leave a scar, but what can make it worse is infection, allergies, or what I think more likely it's like he was stinged by like the whole nest. Being attacked from several bees can be dangerous not matter if there's allergies or not. But we never know... I think

[carmine field]

It wasn't bee stings that caused Albert's scar, but the hive falling on his head, I believe

[honest brook]

Maybe a bit of both

[rancid slate]

I caused it

I was there

[floral veldt]

It's true I was the bee hive

[carmine field]

I confirm I was the butterfly

[languid jay]

I mean if anything solid dropped on a kids head it's gonna damage it

[wheat ore]

ah so his entire storyline is because of him being dropped on his head but backwards, makes so much sense

deep down he just an orange cat

[rancid slate]

I think the initial purpose of Albert game was to reveal that it was not just the bee and butterfly that affected Albert

But still gotta wait for in-game confirmations of that, plans can change

[languid jay]

I think it's very nurture vs nature

If he didn't get brain damage would he have killed people? We don't know

[honest brook]

He did already want Emma and Samuel to die before the beehive fell on his head

[languid jay]

But the thing is they were making teasing him

[honest brook]

Yeah

[languid jay]

I'd like to think that the beehive cemented his intrusive thoughts

Just a headcanon though

He was like "I'm gonna kill them" to "I'm really gonna fucking kill them and make them suffer"

Yk?

[hearty silo]

Yea but they were teasing him and he did drink wine as a baby 😭

[pine oak]

I began to wonder why Aldous has the voice of Corrupted Soul in The Mill. Both on the phone and while talking to the corrupt Laura.

[rancid slate]

Unknown source: The devs said Aldous knows how to change his voice

[pine oak]

Maybe. He knows a little bit alchemy (not as much as his brother) so it’s possible.

I understand why he would change his voice over the phone but why did he speak with that voice to Laura?

[rancid slate]

Idk

I like the theory that he was corrupted at the time or we are playing as corrupted Mr. Crow

[rancid slate]

Since this was never shown in-game, could be changed at any time

You can call the Mill number in Paradox and UB demo too

The speaker will me a corrupted voice aswell

[pine oak]

But why Mr Crow would be corrupted?

[rancid slate]

Even tho, Mr. Crow has a normal voice in Paradox and only does crow noise in UB

[pine oak]

After all, extracting his memories would not make sense because William was the creator of the potion

[rancid slate]

Possibly death and then "timetravelling" or an unknown event before The Mill, just like Bob also gets corrupted in Case 23, TWD and possibly Theatre without extraction

[pine oak]

So Mr, Crow can:

1. Speak like normal human
2. Do Crow noise
3. Speak like CS

[rancid slate]

*TWD dreams

And also do crow noise and speak at the same time/have subtitles lol (Roots)

[pine oak]

Yes xD

But Mr. Crow could not become corrupted because immediately after The Mill there was Case 23 as a level with the chapel where Mr. Crow was not corrupt.

He was in human guise and after that enlightened form

[rancid slate]

Yeah, but the corrupted one could be coming from the future somehow

[pine oak]

But that would mean that the Corrupted Crow disappeared after the events of The Mill and was replaced by the one from the present in Chapel. And that would mean that some corrupt Crow from the future is always sitting in the mill near the phone lol

[rancid slate]

Hiring a clone to do your job

[pine oak]

I would stay with theory that Mr. Crow can change his voice by alchemy or enlightened magic, because there was no proof that he was corrupted in any time

Am I wrong?

[rancid slate]

Considering this, no, you're right :)

[honest brook]

Maybe it's to show his mouth was sewn up

[pine oak]

Yeah but I don’t think so that people with sewn mouth talk like CS but we don’t know 100% truth

[floral veldt]

CS don't have a mouth to open... At least I never say one

except for bob but he is built diferent

[rancid slate]

Laura's drawin

[rancid slate]

They probably all do, the devs just dont mind animatin all of them

Not even Laura moves her mouth when talking in UB sometimes 😭

She barely moves her lips

[floral veldt]

arent they supposed to be the hungry ghost or sum? I havent studied Buddhism so...

[floral veldt]

relatable

[azure bay]

Gamescom 2023

[rancid slate]

Ty

[azure bay]

in Seasons? I'm convinced he didn't. Crow wouldn't say "find me in the past" for her to find herself.

it was her future-self

the phone can send energy beams into the past

why can't it send simple voice?

especially being silent in winter

[rancid slate]

They were talking about Case 23/Mill

O

The message above

Got it

[honest brook]

I think they were talking about Laura's corrupted soul at the end of The Mill

[azure bay]

I see

completely forgot

[rancid slate]

Nowheres is getting old

[azure bay]

yeah... mid 20s are harsh on people

[rancid slate]

Bro's older than Mr. Owl 😭

[carmine field]

Actually, we do see corrupted souls with mouths in a few other instances

The boar in The Cave

The CS drawing in UB

And the hardest one to notice, Albert's corrupted soul in TPW, whose mouth only appears in the scene where he is moving around the room within the Past

It's pretty dark, but if you look closer, you'll notice his teeths

I think this is enough evidence to assume that all corrupted souls have mouths, which fits with the idea of them being hungry ghosts

[shrewd swallow]

hello, any crazy theories today

[languid jay]

Made it bright so people can see :)

[azure bay]

is it the same on the close-up?

[languid jay]

Idk

[honest brook]

Doesn't seem like it

[carmine field]

Nope

[carmine field]

say cheese

[pine oak]

I wonder if Mr. Crow and Mr. Owl wanted to extract William's memories about the elikisr from Laura, why Aldous in The Mill gives the cubes to the lake instead of keeping them and somehow "reading" them with Mr. Owl.

[floral veldt]

I think they didnt want to investigate the cubes for the elixir - they already drank it for long and it didnt grant immortality

They need to keep drinking it yes, but both have other things to do

Owl is concerned with his and the lake's fate - and mr crow is busy with helping his husband owl

[azure bay]

the devs seemingly said that memories need the lake to be preserved

[floral veldt]

does it mean they can get corrupted?

[azure bay]

but on another hand cubes seem ok without it

[azure bay]

why? I'd rather think of fading away

[floral veldt]

I mean - didnt dale change a black cube into a white one? perhaps the lake helps keeping the cubes away from those who can change it

and, yes CS can enter the lake - but since laura was already dead maybe crowl thought she couldnt get corrupted

[azure bay]

Owl clearly said that it's possible, he only had to be careful

or maybe he did everything he could but still failed

[floral veldt]

laura is just built different

[azure bay]

and cubes don't spontaneously change colors. It has to be intentional

[floral veldt]

sorry - I have played the game a long time ago

[floral veldt]

I know... did I say something that implied that?

[azure bay]

ah, I misunderstood

honestly, it's hard to change them anyways

[floral veldt]

even dale needed a special hand

(hehe see what I did there?)

[pine oak]

If they knew how to produce it, they wouldn't have to drink extract from dog poop :p

So I think they got memories from people to feed the lake, but Laura's memories were needed to get a recipe for the elixir which:

1. Will keep them alive
2. Will make Dale also be able to manage the lake forever as their successor.

Because they thought that reincarnated William as Laura also have this elixir memories.

But this is my theory

[honest brook]

Yeah, this is shown in the cave painting and the book, which show Laura's cubes having the symbol of the Elixir and the elements

[pine oak]

So why they gave those “precious” memories of Laura to The Lake instead of keeping them?

[honest brook]

Maybe they hadn't thought it through, we can see that they have made a few mistakes like losing the recipe in the first place

[pine oak]

Well, I think Aldous never knew the recipe because it was his brother who created the elixir. Or it's just shown in the game that Aldous all he does is say, "Find the elixir."

[honest brook]

I think they worked on it together, since William's journal does say "My brother and I are in the final stage of finding the elixir", but Aldous might've been less involved

[pine oak]

Or they simply didn't write the recipe

[honest brook]

But since James was able to create it so quickly after finding the journal, it seems like they did have the recipe at some point

[pine oak]

But although it's strange, because Mr. Owl in his letter to Mr. Crow clearly stated that the lake needs memories and that he would send the body of a young woman. Mr. Owl sounds a bit like he doesn't pay attention at all to the fact that this woman is William and that she has precious memories. Strange because they were the ones who led to its creation.

[honest brook]

Guess they were just too busy with what they were doing to consider that

[pine oak]

And I wonder if Mr. Crow took part in the murder of his brother ( Laura) just to get the recipe for the elixir.

[honest brook]

I don't think so, I don't think he would've thrown the cubes into the lake like that if they were already thinking about getting the elixir from Laura's cubes by that point

Then again, it's hard to imagine they weren't thinking about that at all by then

[pine oak]

Okay, because according to the drawing in the book in The Cave, the golden cube also contains the recipe for elixir. If the barely alive Mr. Owl told Mr, Crow to find the whole elixir, why did he give the cube to Dale instead of keeping it and gaining memories?

[floral veldt]

I think I had already said this but I think the lake's water has a magic property which allows it to dissolve memories

Dale says something like it when he is ascending in the elevator

and just how @honest brook mentioned in his roots video, the water got white after putting the brain in it

so I believe they could be trying to dissolve the cube to better "find" the memory

Nicholas tried looking for the secret ingredient in Caroline's memory but it was very hard, maybe dissolving could reveal the memories'

and also, we can see that after a cube gets mixed into the lake, we can still examine it's contents - crow did that in the submarine

maybe those cubes were laura's from the mill, even

[pine oak]

I understand, so they wanted to read the memories from the cube by dissolving? If so, did they succeed? And why did Dale get a golden cuber? To also be able to read the recipe?

[honest brook]

Because Dale was more important, he was going to potentially be the next Ruler of the Lake, Mr. Owl knew his time was limited and was planning on turning himself into a fish

[floral veldt]

you guys know why nicholas couldnt find the secret ingredient?

[pine oak]

Yes because of Caroline

[floral veldt]

because it was love! (haha that marriage was so bad... someone help that family)

[pine oak]

So they expected him to get out memories about the elixir from the golden cube and use them to create it?

[floral veldt]

maybe yes! the elixir was a good but also bad memory, after all

[pine oak]

Yeah this is even in book

[languid jay]

Everyone near that lake needs help

[honest brook]

Maybe the golden cube itself acts as the elixir

[floral veldt]

the lake is super important! letting the CS take it over would be disasterous - Owl needs someone to substitute him so betting all he has in dale is the better option

he can't be saved, but maybe he can save his sucessor

[honest brook]

And Laura as well

[pine oak]

Why he can’t be save? He can drink elixir

Again and again

[floral veldt]

but it doesnt help!

look at him he keeps getting older and older

[honest brook]

It will eventually run out

He needs a successor

[floral veldt]

the elixir may have worked at first, but its power is not significant enough

[languid jay]

Idk if the guy in the mask during theater is owl but he was balding

[honest brook]

He makes that quite clear in Paradox

[floral veldt]

he is! and he is the one in TWD that tests Bob

[honest brook]

He is, we find out in The Cave that it's his human form

[floral veldt]

"who's this bozo? MR OWL?!"

[languid jay]

Something went wrong

[floral veldt]

he still looks pale after 100 or so years

[languid jay]

I have played all the games atleast 5 times before and I understood absolutely nothing

It's called rusty lake mental health and fishing but everyone needs therapy right now and when you try to fish you get dead bodies instead

Honestly false advertising

[floral veldt]

tbh, the lake can be therapeutic - Dale solve his trauma (cubes went from black to white)

[languid jay]

I love how you didn't deny the dead body allegations 😭

[floral veldt]

sometimes you solve trauma, sometimes you get it

[languid jay]

I think you get trauma trying to resolve your other trauma

If I was dale, I'd be locked up next to Bob

[azure bay]

Unless it's a retcon

[azure bay]

Nah, the elixir was the elixir. Only made with ingredients extracted from memories

[floral veldt]

I mean, the elixir episode, not the elixir in of itself

its great to achieve it, but dying shucks too!

[azure bay]

I see

I think there are only extremes when it comes to cube coloring

a little nod towards negativity and it's ruined

[floral veldt]

Who do you guys think was the inventor of the clock?

At first, when this question came to mind, I said "ah, samuel of course, but the clock existed before, so maybe the alchemist brothers constructed it. But then I reminded that it was also present in Paradise

Could perhaps Caroline have built it?

The clock definitely plays with space-time, two things that seem to not apply to the lake, and nobody understands that body of water like her

[rancid slate]

Thief's grandfather

[rancid slate]

Either its common clock to have it (acceptable)

Or the clock is actually special like really really special and things like Laura, Rose and William usages of the clock were not just for visual satisfaction (possible)

[floral veldt]

It would make sense for it to have been originally Eilander's

Mr owl could have gave it to Mr. Crow "keep ya brotha in here"

And it later passed down to rose and Laura

Which would explain her having it in her Seasons' rooms

[rancid slate]

The Mammoth made it

[rancid slate]

Evidence against:

•The clock is present both at the Mill and at Laura's at the same house (Unless the clock can be in 2 places at the same time)
•Laura likely did not get the clock from the Vanderboom house

Possible evidence, atleast

[honest brook]

Maybe it's like the matches, it just appears everywhere

[royal notch]

Though it is interesting to find it even in the Samsara realm.

[languid jay]

Does anyone have an idea about who she is, I am trying to catch up on the lore(I have been a fan for 6 years 😭/srs)

[honest brook]

Might just be an actress in the theatre

[rancid slate]

Some believe she is Ms. Pheasant too

But yeah, for now, I think she's just an actress/singer too

[languid jay]

Must be a weird job to work

I feel like I read somewhere that she was important or something and it was like a 50 page essay and I think it might be just a good old game theory

[velvet turret]

I wa just thinking about her

[hearty silo]

I think she's Ms. Pheasant but not sure on that since it's just a theory :^

[azure bay]

The hints are too bald to ignore. Pheasant vibes are deeply intentional. The only problem, the timeline makes no sense.

Pheasant is supposed to be dead haunting the lake with all the other guests.

It's always possible it's her human form from the past or future reincarnation but there's too little evidence to back that weirdness. None actually.

At least for now

[floral veldt]

Considering Elizabeth, she could have written her experiences in the form of a play, maybe

Maybe the play is trying to convey something about enlightment that we don't know about

And it got super famous

[languid jay]

I think it's also weird that Elizabeth Is blind and the woman has her eyes closed, in my personal silly headcanon this is Elizabeth with a wig being a theater kid

[azure bay]

It's not about Elizabeth. It's about The Lady of The Lake at best

Or the lady in blue

The version that we see in CE Theatre is admittedly about Pheasant but it's because it was altered to teach Dale about corrupted souls

[azure bay]

A girl raised in an isolationist cult in the middle of nowhere?

[pine oak]

I think it's Ms. Pheasant. She has identical dresses and a hat. It may simply be her human guise just like The Manager at Mr. Owl or Aldous as the human form of Mr. Crow. This woman was simply enlightened and became Ms. Pheasant. I think this may confirm the theory that the guests from the hotel are not Eilanders. Also i have theory that someone broke her heart and she committed @bort1on. I’m inferring from the substances of her past lives.

[pine oak]

.

[azure bay]

as I said, she admittedly has A TON of Pheasant vibes but with data on hand that doesn't make sense.

She's supposed to be dead and haunting the lake with the rest of the guests. If there is some trickery, we need to know it for sure before jumping to conclusions

[languid jay]

You are missing the silly headcanon part 😭

I just make shit up half the time

[azure bay]

And speaking of the heart theory, there's a different one. We've seen that fetus and that heart in The Chapel before. One turned into another after being drowned in ink.

So the theory goes that the fetus being covered in ink and leaving a heart behind if her child from her past life becoming a corrupted soul and leaving their heart behind. And the obvious candidate is William.

[pine oak]

Maybe she was lit by a light beam and then when she became a CS in the theatre she turned back into a CS in the form of Pheasant and then we can see her in The Cave 😅

[pine oak]

Where did the conclusions come from

[azure bay]

again, if any trickery takes place, we need a confirmation. We can come up with a ton of possible explanations and none of them might be even true

[azure bay]

I never asked precisely but I think it's a set of dots corruption+heart

if thinking symbolisms, ink does look like corruption in that puzzle

and fetus may symbolise just a child

[pine oak]

So this theory is also based on assumptions

[azure bay]

borderline all theories are based on assumptions. Things that may seem obvious to one are debatable for others

this series is vague as hell

[pine oak]

Yeah you’re right

[azure bay]

every piece of evidence may be interpreted in multiple ways

there's gameplay, there are symbolisms, there are unreliable narrators and sometimes they overlap

and sometimes there are oversights and plot holes

and don't forget retcons

so yeah. We're screwed

but that's ok

[pine oak]

Yeah I hate retcons

And what do you think, because I was always wondering and the answers were different. Why does Mr. Crow in The Mill and Case 23 have a CS voice?

[azure bay]

the devs said because he's a voice master. But I headcanon his mouth being sewed up

[pine oak]

Interesting. It's another matter if The Old Woman sewed them up for him or did he do it himself? And why would he do it, after all, he didn't have to sew his mouth to be in his human form.

[azure bay]

...and sometimes there's weirdness for its own sake

because they think "it's fun"

[pine oak]

Yeah I really enjoy this vibe

[azure bay]

I've heard that the Chinese community uses Crows sewed up mouth is a sign that he doesn't get along with Mr. Owl

I think it's BS

[pine oak]

Yeah but relation between them it’s interesting

Why Mr. Crow helps Mr. Owl with collecting cubes and with searching of the elixir for new Ruler

[azure bay]

maybe we'll see in the alchemist bros game

so far I was assuming that he was a believer

like the lake absolutely needs new memories and they won't always be able to provide them

it could've started as a personal search for prolonged life tho

[pine oak]

Yup, It is strange to believe that the lake needs memories, we don't really know what it means. And I can't wait for the new game, I wonder when it comes out

[azure bay]

With all I think I know it could be 2 things

1. Paradise but worse. Not sure about the cause of plagues but memories were stopping them.

2. Some multiverse collapse, considering that in TPW The Past cube feels just as real as The Future and The Future ends up just another cube supposedly in The Lake

[pine oak]

Yeah, it’s interesting concept

[pine oak]

I have a question, is there any official or just well-made map of Rusty Lake? Because those that are shown in the globe in CE: Paradox in my opinion are false and show more the essence of Dale's mind.

[rancid slate]

No

Only the ones in Case 23, Roots and Cave :p

[pine oak]

These are a bit of poor maps :p

[honest brook]

I think the Roots painting is quite clear

[pine oak]

What do you mean?

[honest brook]

I think the painting from Roots shows all the locations in Rusty Lake quite well (besides the fact that the cabin isn't on a separate island)

[vivid bridge]

that was retconned though

[honest brook]

Yeah but the submarine map from The Cave still shows the cabin being on its own island, and the Roots painting is also at the beginning of the game

So it's a bit inconsistent

[vivid bridge]

no it doesn't

the cave map shows the cabin on the mainland

it looks like its on an island because they reused the sprite from when it did

even if its still a small island directly on the shore, they still retconned it

[honest brook]

Oh wow, I somehow never noticed that

I guess they did retroactively change it

[vivid bridge]

yep

[floral veldt]

Question: jakob goes down the well at paradise and while walking around at the lakes bottom, we see the big cube room, but doesn't it become the golden cube assembly room? Whose elevator leads to the hotel, which is on paradise's island?

[vivid bridge]

the real anomaly is that in roots, they had already changed the cabin's placement when they had the painting made but they didn't actually update the in-game map

[vivid bridge]

the white cube house predates the hotel I suppose

probably aliens build it

[floral veldt]

Yes but not the island

So was it moved?

[vivid bridge]

I don't understand the question

[floral veldt]

In cave we see the cube room bellow the island, right?

[vivid bridge]

yeah

[floral veldt]

But in paradise jakob sees it in the distance, while he is under the island, when he dives through the well

So in paradise it was nof bellow the island

[vivid bridge]

ehhh

I wouldn't use these kinds of sequences to map out precise map placements

but also it does check out

he dives underneath the island

[honest brook]

It wasn't that far in the distance, I'd say it's still underneath the island

[floral veldt]

Alright, it's makes sense, sorry I didn't consider this angle

[honest brook]

After all, the island itself isn't that small

[hardy pecan]

Was the lab happened before past within future? Because rose look younger than her future self in past within future

[royal notch]

Of course! Also Albert is waiting for resurrection!

[hardy pecan]

Thanks for the info!

[rancid slate]

I wonder if the Alchemist game is gonna be "sentimental" like TWD and UB

[pine oak]

Do we have any info when it can be released?

[honest brook]

I don't feel like it would be

[rancid slate]

Some time during 2025-2040 for sure

[pine oak]

I’m not a big fun of new design

I miss the old, amateur games

[rancid slate]

As long as the lore keeps going

[floral veldt]

do you guys think RL would do spin-off games? like mr toad or bat stories?

[rancid slate]

The White Door and Untold kinda already are

[honest brook]

The White Door is basically a spin-off game

[covert wyvern]

We even call it that on the Second Maze website;)

[honest brook]

Yeah, a "spinoff story"

[floral veldt]

then - do oyu think RL will make more spin-off games?

also, I don't think it is a complete spin-off. From the ones I've seen, the main character is the only tie in with the rest of the story - but with TWD we got a lot of questions answered like, don't people from around the world deal with cubes and such?

[honest brook]

I’d hope not, considering it’s been over six years since we saw the “main” story with Dale

[pine oak]

Yeah we need more main lore. Show must go on

[rancid slate]

Then its just a good spin-off ;)

[rancid slate]

I hope we do, there could be many stories in the world of Rusty Lake that we have never thought of

See, TWD fits so well that it feels like a mainline entry

I think we could even have a sequel to it, continuing the story of Sarah and Bob (Atleast if they still connect to the Lake somehow. Otherwise, I see them just living a regular life with no more stuff to tell)

[floral veldt]

or maybe knowing how owl felt after seeing that his hostages clients had left

[vivid bridge]

every game for the last 6 years have been spin-offs

[floral veldt]

yes... I've realized that, two days ago

[azure bay]

I know how you hate UB but technically it isn't. It doesn't move the global story much further but it does give some more context for its earlier parts. I think it's important too.

I'd even say that so far its role in the broader narrative is much clearer than the one of Paradox. Paradox is my top 1 RL game but I still sometimes get a feeling that it's an unnecessary nostalgia roller coaster overly focusing on a rather small gap I wouldn't even notice otherwise.

[vivid bridge]

I've actually kinda come around to some aspects of UB

still don't like the game that much

[azure bay]

I agree, it's on the weaker side of premium games. I just don't hold it against it.

[rancid slate]

Maybe TPW and UB will make more sense when The Day of the Lake arrives

[idle lark]

i was watching the lil edit they posted for the anniversary of the cave and it got me thinking, did smth happen to the hotel? it seems like smth happened to mr owl like he had to leave and smth went wrong, could the hotel have gone into shambles? was the bat in the cave the same elevator bat?

idk smth that just popped into my head

[azure bay]

Hotel should be fine. A little abandoned and dusty at most. Unless corrupted souls took it over which doesn't seem the case considering how they are chilling in the lake all the time.

Owl is just weaker himself but so far he manages. And he's still managing several businesses

it may look fine though

maybe even somewhat renovated

actually, I remember a renovation being mentioned in UB's newspaper

around the early 40s

[idle lark]

possibly, just seeing that bat got me thinking since we havent rlly seen the hotel in a minute

yeah

i hope we go back to the hotel soon

[azure bay]

I'd say in a year or 1.5

unless the alchemist brothers pay a visit to Mr. Owl and not the other way around

[idle lark]

prob not

[rancid slate]

Its a little possible if we consider that their portraits were in the RL Station

[azure bay]

we are totally getting the game about the brothers before they found the elixir

and they'll likely meet Mr. Owl

the question stays whether they'll get on his turf

considering how game developers in general understandably love cutting corners, I wouldn't expect to see much of the hotel

OH

COMPLETELY FORGOT

Ray asks about it in the 60s-70s

Hotel might have not even been constructed back when the bros were younger

on the other hand, I'm almost sure that Laura was staying at the hotel in 1969 when she wasn't fishing in The Cabin

@idle lark hope it all answers your questions

[rancid slate]

Paradise island remains

Would explain a bit of why the Paradise picture was in Samsara Room

[azure bay]

wouldn't explain the CS in the Paradox room

[rancid slate]

Which one?

[azure bay]

from the crow painting

[rancid slate]

Thats

The 3rd Vanderboom brother

[royal notch]

From 1797 to maybe the 1840's? I think it's enough.

[azure bay]

I consider possible the Eilanders still being around for a while

[rancid slate]

+If the Hotel bdays are still true

[royal notch]

I always assumed the construction as a family project. With only the shaft being reworked by the boss.

[azure bay]

nah, the guests either don't remember a thing or at least they don't know who Mr. Owl is

[rancid slate]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/357142057359245314/1321431155387662336/kerstnieuwkaarkaart2024.png?ex=67e13a2a&is=67dfe8aa&hm=8ff91ee101f8b70c7f7ec54be682b54318c95ccb0792ba7213360d9c741c66f5&

The hotel is already there

[royal notch]

Oh, right!

[rancid slate]

The two brothers having sprites make me think

If we are gonna be playing as someone else

[royal notch]

The 3°‼️ ‼️

[rancid slate]

Could be just for the mirror too

But usually the protagonist is hidden, right?

Unless its like the Roots camera where we also see the characters we play as

[floral veldt]

isn't owl's diver costume a referencre to cave? which ends with dale going to hotel? and with owl later saying that the day of the lake is comming, probably comming from the cave after being saved

[rancid slate]

Yeah, but that's in the Lake station

Which is more related to Collection

[azure bay]

"The Day of The Lake is coming" was said in 1935, 77 years before The Cave

[rancid slate]

The Day of the Lake teaser supposedly takes place in 1935

[azure bay]

:p

[floral veldt]

argh I forget that space-time flips in the lakes train

stupid me

[rancid slate]

Also he says that to Harvey

[floral veldt]

best bird

[floral veldt]

I leave for three days and every channel has messages except for this one

how people

h. o. w.

this is like, the best part of the whole server!

[rancid slate]

So true

And when there's a message

It was deleted or something 😔

[rancid slate]

Imagine if we meet a new character

And he seems just like a random guy

Until he's revealed to be.. Frank's father

🌼 🐝

[azure bay]

I recently became certain that Harvey was imitating a CS in Summer 1971

now a good question is, which one?

was Laura going temporarily corrupted Bobert-style?

or was it her time travelling self?

[floral mauve]

bro is onto nothing

[azure bay]

as I think about it, imitating a CS from the lake wouldn't be a far fetch. Only the one we know of dones't make a sound

[floral mauve]

the closest we got from imitating CS is either rabbit or crow voice acting, we dont talk about rabbit cuz no one knows whats going on there

[azure bay]

yeah but I took a notice of Laura's CS making weird noises in The Mill.

[floral mauve]

wha

[azure bay]

growls

[floral mauve]

and

[azure bay]

and they are called "demon"

in Seasons and The Mill

[floral mauve]

yes

what does it have anything to do with imitating cs

[azure bay]

and also "Balance the substance of my past life" is also called demon

[floral mauve]

I dont get it

[azure bay]

they used to call CS demons up until 2016

[floral mauve]

yes

[azure bay]

whether they are actual CS or an actress playing one

or Harvey supposedly imitating them

[floral mauve]

I dont see the dots

[azure bay]

//_-

[floral mauve]

I dont take hard drugs to see the connection

enlighten me

[honest brook]

I thought Mr. Owl called them "corrupted souls" in The Mill

[azure bay]

there are unofficial names

for internal use

some concepts were never named out loud

like asuras

we're calling them like that because we figured out the sanskrit

[royal notch]

Thinking about the plot back at the time the candidates are Laura, Bob or even, stretching, the guests. Unless Mr Crow's corrupted soul was already in mind.

[azure bay]

Bob and whatever you called Mr. Crow are out of question

Bob was never corrupted until Laur's death

the bird CS has no apparent ties to Laura

neither are the guests so far

[royal notch]

Just like it shouldn't have with Albert though.

[rancid slate]

Isnt the sound the same as Young Bird?

[royal notch]

He's talking about Harvey's growling during summer.

[azure bay]

a faulty argument. We know that it DOES have ties to Albert. It's a fact

for other potential ties... False until proven true

[royal notch]

Fine, but which and why? Nobody knows and nobody can justify it, so it's still a possibility. And by the way, once someone asks an opinion, it would be polite to not build up barriers because of non-agreement. With that said, goodnight.

[azure bay]

the only souls Harvey for sure interacted with are Laura and The Lake attacker

since the attacker didn't growl I find Laura is more likely

[rancid slate]

O

I actually never clicked Harvey during Summer

I only got to hear it last year

It scared the hell out of me

[floral mauve]

It’s not scary

[rancid slate]

I got scared because I never heard it and I was watching someone else playing 😭

[azure bay]

and there is potential evidence for Laura possibly going corrupted before her death as well as her potentially time traveling in Seasons

omg I never noticed slight changes in Harvey's design between games

[floral mauve]

I dont get it

[floral mauve]

bruh

[azure bay]

I'm not talking Seasons

more like The Mill vs Theatre

[floral mauve]

how is bird cs tied to Albert

I have dementia

[azure bay]

it effectively gives him some of his masks

[floral mauve]

yes

[azure bay]

they interacted

[floral mauve]

right

[azure bay]

Harvey didn't onscreen

[azure bay]

aha, it's more complicated than that

[floral mauve]

so bird cs must be Harvey, such perfection in logic

[azure bay]

did I said that?

[rancid slate]

Og versions?

[floral mauve]

I have no fucking idea

[azure bay]

I was looking at Harvey flipping wings while in CS's grasp

[azure bay]

Ciao gave some wild guesses about who could Harvey mimic

I said they shouldn't have connections

[floral mauve]

your mom

[azure bay]

He said the same about Albert

except Albert does have ties

whether he should or not

[floral mauve]

mimic you mean in terms of sound

[azure bay]

yep

[rancid slate]

Besides the extended wing sprite I dont see much

[floral mauve]

he is crazy tonight

every detail must have a plot

[azure bay]

it's not about the plot

I'm just noticing thing while editing

[floral mauve]

I dont even recall Harvey speak except Johnson

[rancid slate]

Harvey is mimicking the Mammoth

[azure bay]

that's it. But it's a big enough difference when you notice it and assume it used to be their default state

[azure bay]

it's not always about talking. Ringing like an alarm clock is their thing too

or screaming like a murder victim :з

[floral mauve]

ye

so why are we discussing this again

[azure bay]

a rabbit hole after assuming he was mimicking a CS

what CS?

that's pretty much it

[floral mauve]

BRUH

[rancid slate]

I dont think thats a CS

Maybe thats

Laura

When shes hungry

I think she ate Bob

[floral mauve]

freaky

[rancid slate]

Sarah: Where did Bob go??
Laura: idk

[floral mauve]

mod ban him

[rancid slate]

But Im the mod

[untold stump]

we outta Robert Hills

[fiery wing]

Suspiciously bob shaped Laura

[latent wharf]

okay so
In the cave
a version of the elixir is made from the immortal dog's feces

so would it go to stand that the elixir could be in the dogs waste product

.... frank drank the immortal dog's piss

frank could still be out there

[hearty silo]

Now you've got me thinking.

[hearty silo]

And she just walked away with a mysterious Robert shaped lump in her throat.

[azure bay]

the elixir doesn't give prolonged life out of blue. A ritual is in order when 2 people drink it and one dies

[fiery wing]

so what we're saying is someone else needs to drink the dog piss so frank can be immortal

[latent wharf]

i mean with the many years that dog has been alive
there is a non zero chance someone or something else drank its piss

like a squirrel or something

other theories i have:
william vanderboom was a nudist
bc like
why tf was he naked when he died

[rancid slate]

I think he was wearing it but, after William died, Aldous decide to take them off and later James used it too

So basically in the game level you could say there's a mini timeskip between the moment we drink and the moment we see our body

[vivid bridge]

but its funnier if he's naked

[rancid slate]

Are there something in these 2 boxes? Cant really tell

[azure bay]

I don't have much time today but I'll appreciate you trying to reed what's written there

on the 1st box

seems like an existing brand

my seemingly poor attempt

could be a different edition

could be dead wrong

[shrewd kernel]

[rancid slate]

Closest one

Seems about right

We found it! 🗣🗣

The one in the video seems to have red text, could be just the degradation?

[surreal oak]

I think it may be some other type since it does not completly match, but I’m pretty sure it is Dormer

[noble plinth]

so do we think archeology news is an arg or something like that

[primal karma]

i was just writing in general abt it, we went to check in the dale-e yet dont know enough about the ai to know if it's related

[noble plinth]

ik it's probably april fools thing, but I'm just inherently suspicious of anything posted by rusty lake

[primal karma]

exactly me too, idk why i can faintly smell some arg going on

[shrewd kernel]

mammonth legs

[rancid slate]

So cursed

[shrewd kernel]

We haven't seen them before, have we?

[rancid slate]

No

[shrewd kernel]

So it's a new sprite. Well, the finished old one. So something is definitely going to happen to the mammoth. At the same time, it is playful, judging by the style of the drawing.

[rancid slate]

Could be an arg in the future but for now I dont think so

[noble plinth]

I mean, it's rusty lake posting a 'found footage' news report we have the right to suspect something even if it's not true xD

[shrewd kernel]

@covert wyvern Would you like to share your avatar?)

[covert wyvern]

you got it

[shrewd kernel]

Were there any similar photos where the paws were completely visible like yours?

[rancid slate]

I think the video was mostly to tell us the Mammoth is still a thing, or even that the Mammoth might be part of the 10th anniversary

So now we have 3 possible games in the way

Alchemy, Theatre, Mammoth.. which one will come first?

[honest brook]

And the premium RL Untold

[rancid slate]

I think the next Untold campaign might come together with the Alchemy game (that's if it still is about the Vanderboom house)

[primal karma]

sorry, can anyone explain the Alchemy and Theatre games that are supposed to come out? i missed this bit of knowledge

[rancid slate]

The Alchemy game was teased on the holiday special last year

[honest brook]

#📯｜rl-announcements message
#📯｜rl-announcements message

[rancid slate]

And the "Threatre" on the Happy New Year image, tho, we are not sure about this one

[rancid slate]

And also with the image of two doors

In the Vanderboom house

[primal karma]

thanks! we played all the games this January, so we are catching up on a lot of things ^^

[honest brook]

Yeah it hints at there being two games about the Vanderbooms, most likely the Alchemy one and the premium Untold adventure

[noble plinth]

mammoth thing is still very interesting

[rancid slate]

True

I really want to know whats the deal with them and how do they connect with the rest of the story

/with the other games to come

[rancid slate]

I can see kind of a connection with William at Samsara Room + the 2 portraits at the RL station but for the Mammoth..? Nothing at all 😔

[noble plinth]

i like that 99% of rusty lake lore is very consistent, focused on one story, same characters and then there's just. van gogh. and the mammoth.

[rancid slate]

Whatever the Mammoth game will be about, I think it is something "big"/hard to think about so they had to delay until the idea got developed to a point where it was good enough to actually make a game about

Maybe a new concept like the new games are showing us

TPW and UB endings

Maybe even a better explanation of Samsara and its realms?

[honest brook]

I thought it might be like the origins of the Lake and how it came to be so magical

[wheat ore]

this is the full avatar, looking so handsome

considering how much time travel there is I'm so so excited to see what the devs do with this I would die if this was all just april fools and no mammoth exists lmao

[rancid slate]

Mammoth's feet.. so.. scary.. hide it! Hide it! Delay it for another 7 years, Im not ready yet!

[wheat ore]

LMAO

[rancid slate]

Me too 😔 The Mammoth is part of my top 3 Rusty Lake characters

In 2nd place theres the Corrupted Soul from Roots

And in 1st it's the Young Thief Bird from Rusty Lake 2: The Dawn of the Cubes 🙂

[wheat ore]

my bad

[rancid slate]

Much better

[surreal oak]

I want that mammoth in the Games so bad ly

[wheat ore]

be the change you want in the world !

[rancid slate]

Rusty Lake games if the devs knew what they were doing /j

[rancid slate]

So.. if I want more of The Thief.. I should start stealing people's watchs! Thank you!

[wheat ore]

yes

[wheat ore]

yes

YES

[rancid slate]

Really quick I couldnt stop noticing about the Mammoth sprite

Its line is so thick that it might be a background asset

Or something that is meant to see from a little far away

If we get a closer view, there might be a bigger/more detailed sprite 🦣

[noble plinth]

I adore the efficiency of this community. it's only been like 12 hours and mammoths are everywhere now

[azure bay]

It's been LIIIIVING for all this time. Only sneaking around

[noble plinth]

mammoths arise now

[rancid slate]

Mammoths unite!

[deft haven]

You are missing the wall

It should have a graffiti

[surreal oak]

The mammoth have been here for a while

[azure bay]

The mammoth has been here for a while

[azure bay]

here my general thoughts about the recent teasers

https://youtu.be/5HpCAnbwfIs

[rancid slate]

The cube at the end of the video reminds me of TPW teaser trailer ending with Albert

[azure bay]

I suppose

[rancid slate]

Same vibe

Also it's funny that the Mammoth is the only thing we have about the game

[azure bay]

yeah, It's a bummer I can't make a Before You Play vid with even remotely based speculations

[rancid slate]

1 minute video
"Hello, this is Nowhere and welcome to my nest. In today's video I am gonna be explaining the Mammoth for those who came late. So, the Mammoth is a Mammoth and the games takes place in 20000 BC in The Lake. Thanks for watching and dont forget: Question everything in Rusty Lake!"

I wonder theres gonna be another family in this game, like Paradise again

Some cavemen that maybe live with a Mammoth or they sacrifice it?

I hope they speak gibberish

[azure bay]

oops...

[azure bay]

I'd bet on primal Eilanders

[rancid slate]

Maybe a whole society?

Like an actual big cult this time

A great thing to reference would be the bigass fishes from Cave and Paradise

Or maybe the one from the website

[azure bay]

We've already got one in Paradise so I see no problem with them showing up again

[rancid slate]

Mmm

Mmmmm

Mmmmmm

Game without matches

[azure bay]

MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

[rancid slate]

Unless

Atemporal matches from The Lake

[azure bay]

a box of caveman torches

[rancid slate]

Painted in yellow and red

[azure bay]

using natural dyes

[rancid slate]

Hopefully not used to burn someone alive

Like our chosen caveman Harvor Oogey

[surreal oak]

Harvey is probably going to show up like he did in Paradise

[rancid slate]

Human or parrot?

[royal notch]

Real or achievment?

[rancid slate]

If we really get Harvey's origins, I hope it's different from Jakob and maybe Aldous

[rancid slate]

But achievements are real 😔

[surreal oak]

That is the question

[rancid slate]

Asura Harvey being worshiped by the cavemen

Just thought of Harvey being the one behind the construction of pyramids and reminded that a pyramid appears in Child Lane poster

[surreal oak]

Hhmmm a sound theory

[swift knoll]

Okay, I'm rewatching the walkthrough for the early Cube Escape games, and I'm kind of hung up on something:

A big thing about laura's case that doesn't get brought up in depth is that it's unclear from the crime scene whether it's a murder or a suicide

[rancid slate]

It is confirmed later on in the games

First confirmation is shown in The Cave

The most recent one is sugested/shows more evidence/reason in Underground Blossom

[swift knoll]

where did the knife go, though?

[azure bay]

2 options:

1. taken by Laura's corrupted soul as seen in Seasons
2. was left in that room's drawer as seen in Seasons but was out of reach since the door disappeared

I'll actually add that question to the script

[rancid slate]

I believe in both options

[pine oak]

What do you think, who is the mutual friend of Mr. Owl and Mr. Boar?

Mentioned in the letter

[floral veldt]

maybe crow? maybe harvey?

he was there in paradise

[rancid slate]

Maybe one of the guests

Also just noticed how similar these two are

• Mr. Owl is no longer consistent in his letters

He used to end with "Your sincerely, Mr. Owl" in The Mill, Hotel and Birthday

But in Paradox and UB, it's just "Mr. Owl"

No more sincerity 😔

Also I think almost every single letter starts with "Dear"

[rancid slate]

Even if Harvey is in his work time, I dont think Mr. Boar would treat a friend as a butler, so (if this "mutual friend" never gets explained) I think it has more chances to either be one of the guests, Mr. Bat, Mr. Toad or an unknown character

Tho, Mr. Boar doesnt seems to be a good friend anyway

[wheat ore]

he lied ever since 😔 just like he lied about mammoth

[surreal oak]

Nah, the mammoth is going to come back.

[surreal oak]

I do think it was another member of the staff, like Mr. Crow, Mr. Toad, or Mr. Bat

[wheat ore]

https://tenor.com/bjRJN.gif

[swift knoll]

Why did Mr. Rabbit have to shoot Dale's parents if he just wanted the particular gun the Vandermeers have? He has a much better gun, couldn't he just be like

"Hey, I know you don't know me but I'll trade your pistol for this submachine gun. Free of charge, comes with a lot of rounds."

[surreal oak]

I do not believe he shot them for the gun, but I am unsure of his exact reasoning

[honest brook]

Maybe being a corrupted soul made him turn aggressive, most of the corrupted souls seem to be violent like that

[rancid slate]

Real

[shut plank]

I think it was kind of just meant to happen? I have the theory that some things were orchestrated, probably by Mr. Owl, so Dale could be led to Rusty Lake and become his successor.

First of all, why would the Vandermeers have the gun? Dale’s parents didn’t know how to use it in birthday. It was probably something like a family heirloom, but if it was a substance from Mr. Rabbit’s past life (maybe the pistol Mrs. Pheasant used to kill herself?) why would the Vandermeers have that? How did they get it? Did they have some sort of connection to the lake? Or were they related to the Vanderbooms or the Eilanders?

But could it be that Mr. Owl had something to do with Dale’s family having that gun? I think that Dale’s parents being murdered might be the main reason why he becomes a detective, then he investigates Laura’s case and we know the rest of the story. Maybe Mr. Owl was set on Dale becoming his successor all along, like, even from his birth.

Now abt Mr. Rabbit’s exact reasoning at that moment, I’m not sure. But probably he had no way of knowing if they would defend themselves or not, he probably thought “better safe than sorry” and just killed them? Idk

[rancid slate]

There is a 50/50 Mr. Owl knew Dale

He only sees what he looks like as an old man in the Hotel Cube

And even in The Mill letter, Mr. Owl speaks as if he just met Dale for the first time

The letter in Birthday tells Dale about the gift, which contains that little machine

Which, mostly likely is one of the few things that have been altered in that Cube

As it probably didnt existed at first

But then

We have the year of 1966

Where Mr. Owl directly talks to Dale and tells him to deal with his past

Aswell as implying what you said before with "Only then you will become what you are truly meant to be" or something

Soo

Did he knew Dale or not?

Is 1966 Mr. Owl a timetraveller?

I think that's the real question

About the gun, considering Birthday was released right after Hotel, I think that we are really meant to think that the Gun is the same from Ms. Pheasant

But it could be a WEIRD case of asset reuse

As Mr. Rabbit was never explained later on, we expect answers in the possible game that was teased "recently"

[rancid slate]

Personally, I think not

For me, the 1966 may be an altered event too

[shut plank]

That’d make sense. Dale’s grandpa and Harvey’s postcard would be altered events too, right?

[royal notch]

Most probably.

[floral veldt]

Can someone take pictures of every letter/book in the games and send it here?

I think it would help people (me) who might need ro re-read them while discussing things

[rancid slate]

Maybe a thread too

[azure bay]

it wasn't Owl. It was Crow's plan

[azure bay]

Owl was set but until 60s-70s he haven't physically found him. In the prophecy he's seen only a middle-age man with no name nor biography.

And thus only in The Mill he writes Crow that he might have finally found him.

In 1939 - nope.

The pistol could get there either by FATE or Mr. Crow is really Dale's grandpa

[azure bay]

kind of. He could probably create a Birthday alteration in 1966. Or alternatively sit and wait for Dale's call

[rancid slate]

But he does write "Your sincerely, Mr. Owl" in all Mill letters and also in Hotel and Birthday

[azure bay]

the letter to James has no way to be written by Owl

why would he have the Vanderboom stamp?

[rancid slate]

The 2 images I sent are unrelated

[azure bay]

ok, then give me the context I'm clearly missing

[rancid slate]

Then

[floral veldt]

Thank you!!!!

Maybe he is getting desperate?

Having too much to think about and just writing the necessary

Busy owl has no time for friends

[rancid slate]

"I'm dying any second now. No more 'Your sincerely'! No time for that!"

[shut plank]

Now that I think abt it, there’s something pretty weird about The Mill’s timeline, or how time passes/is perceived when someone is there.

We know that Case 23 is simultaneously happening. We get Dale’s phone call from ch1, then we know ch2 happens too and Mr. Owl brings Dale to the lake. But at the beginning of Case 23 ch2 Dale states “For months, I could not think about anything else than the events that happened after I found the dead woman”

So there’s a few months between ch1 and ch2, but for Mr. Crow in The Mill it was just a few minutes?

[rancid slate]

Mostly for gameplay purposes