🤔｜theories

[floral veldt]

Good enough

[shrewd swallow]

does he night cap as a strippr?

[rancid slate]

Yes

[floral veldt]

Fish with fishnets

[rancid slate]

Thats how he gets all the money for TWD and Hotel

And thats what the "Paradise requires sacrifice" line truly means

[shrewd swallow]

sacrifice them legs

[floral veldt]

Sacrifice the fish we brutally murder over and over again

Looking at you CE:The Cabin

[rancid slate]

Cube Escape: The Cabin is friend with Cube Escape: The Bridge and Cube Escape: The Chapel

[floral veldt]

I meant to say the lake I'm sorry don't kill me 🙏😭

[floral veldt]

You know what happens in all of them? You mess with some strange hearts

I mean, it was more of an apple in the lake but you get it

[rancid slate]

Actually no

[floral veldt]

No, you do

[rancid slate]

In CE The Lake, you are inside the cabin

In CE The Cabin, you are in the lake waters

Looking at the Cabin

[floral veldt]

You play as the Corrupted Soul?

[rancid slate]

Yes siir

[floral veldt]

And thou give Laura the fish, shrimp and boxes?

[rancid slate]

Yes!

[floral veldt]

"How do I open this shit?
magnet shows up from nowhere and takes the box
Bitch that's mine! Give it back!"

[rancid slate]

Thats the real reason why the cs attacks Laura

https://tenor.com/view/cube-escape-lake-cube-escape-the-lake-rusty-lake-cube-escape-rise-from-water-gif-13670996645692025246

[floral veldt]

" laura butchers the fish and a tree grows
Harvey: That's Suspicious
corrupted soul shows up
Omg what is that? What is that? "

[rancid slate]

The fish was a Collector's edition

[gray condor]

the cabin is one of the 4 levels on case 23 right?

[floral veldt]

Yes, but there is a game set on it, CE: The Lake

[rancid slate]

The location, yes

[gray condor]

yeah i know is just becuse i didnt remember what game ce the cabin was

[floral veldt]

@gray condor "Ela/dela" pt também?

[gray condor]

yes

[floral veldt]

Trio! @rancid slate

[gray condor]

wow, i was sure that you were american

[floral veldt]

Nah, US is a mess for me... I prefer being in my little corner in europe

[gray condor]

YES

[rancid slate]

Joke game

[gray condor]

i know

[floral veldt]

I had a dream to build the Hotel somewhere in portugal

Oh what I would give to be Mr. Crow IRL💔

[gray condor]

just you have to has a brother

[rancid slate]

The Hotel which RLH is based on is in Ireland

Adare Manor

[gray condor]

and find the elixir of imortality

and pray for u live isted of your brother

[floral veldt]

It's lovely, but in a middle of an island would be even better. Thank you for the info!

[rancid slate]

Flood Ireland

[gray condor]

its so pretty

[floral veldt]

If only it was in the netherlands... It would be much easier

[rancid slate]

Atleast it is closer to you 😔

[floral veldt]

I'll make sure to visit if I get to go to ireland

[gray condor]

dude relax it's just 3 day on a plane

nothing to worry about

[gray condor]

im br tbh

[vernal crystal]

woo it's in limerick

mannnn if only i had this info sooner i was there two months ago

:,(

[shrewd swallow]

i say abolish france

as an australian, this is what most of us want

[remote remnant]

woahh

I just looked it up its very similar

[vivid bridge]

just replayed roots and here's a crackpot theory: UB was about Laura and Rose and featured the golden timepiece

alchemist game is gonna have the bronze one

[rancid slate]

Bronze is Manusa

[azure bay]

huh

[rancid slate]

This has no relevance

Byt

It is manusa

Silver was asura 🐈🐈

[vivid bridge]

I don't actually believe this theory but would be neat

I mean, they brought back the golden timepiece, so why not

the implication of two more games before the finale 💀

[rancid slate]

Samsara Room had the timepiece too

Alchemist Brothers Room

[vivid bridge]

which one

[honest brook]

The gold one as well

[honest brook]

But the focus on the gold timepiece was because Rose wears it, so it's not quite the same as the other two

[rancid slate]

Has someone ever talked about the upsidedown Laura in TWD possibly being Bob dreaming about what happens to her in Case 23-Mill?

[azure bay]

I'm not sure that was the reason in the bird room

[rancid slate]

I think they were referring to UB

[azure bay]

Maybe just a visual reference?

[rancid slate]

New headcanon 🙏

[rancid slate]

I dont even know what they could do with the other timepieces

Unless William and Aldous have a baby

Like

An artificial one

[shrewd swallow]

perhaps a new reincarnation? history repeating itself? someone else goes through samsara?

[remote remnant]

i meannn

the silver one is "the crow & the dead man"

& both are featured in roots

[honest brook]

I was referring to the original message about UB

Sorry, that could’ve been clearer

[rancid slate]

Roots 5 confirmed

[rancid slate]

The devs dont tend to repeat too much stuff

When they, its a bit different atleast

[shrewd swallow]

maybe an eventual reunion?

also something im curious for. where does william end and laura begin? personality wise? like is laura all william or is he just another component of her?

[honest brook]

They seem pretty different

[rancid slate]

William ends the moment he is reborn

[shrewd swallow]

yeah but what does william really contribute? like whats the point of rebirth if theres nothing really there for him?

[rancid slate]

His memories are still inside Laura

About the Elixir

Thats what we know

[shrewd swallow]

well thats interesting

how is that gonna play out

[rancid slate]

Cube Escape The Cave

They used the three cubes to create the Golden Cube

Which is most likely the elixir for Dale and Laura

[honest brook]

He gets to live on, even if Laura doesn't remember it

[rancid slate]

Two of them being from Laura and having the Elixir symbol

[shrewd swallow]

mmm so is that why laura lives?

did dale die?

[honest brook]

And also the cave painting with the lines connecting the elements of the Elixir to Laura's memories

[rancid slate]

Id say the opposite

Dale becomes Deva and Laura dies

[shrewd swallow]

Deva?

[honest brook]

God

[rancid slate]

Thats what hes being prepared for

[shrewd swallow]

oh

is that like referencing a specific religion or folklore?

or myth?

[honest brook]

It's based on the Samsara cycle from Buddhism

[rancid slate]

Yeah

But it probably is different too

[shrewd swallow]

is that where asura comes from to?

[rancid slate]

Yeah

They use the sankrits in the games

[honest brook]

It was talked about in Theatre

[shrewd swallow]

the text?

[rancid slate]

Yeah

[shrewd swallow]

huh

[rancid slate]

But I guess the only "official terms" are Enlightenment and Blossom

[honest brook]

And Corrupted Soul

[rancid slate]

Hungry Ghost, Lost soul

[shrewd swallow]

Jimbo

[honest brook]

Hungry ghost is the original term

[shrewd swallow]

Like Jim and limbo

someone really should make an iceberg on the series

[rancid slate]

Or not

So the less known things remain less known

🤫

[shrewd swallow]

kinda gatekeeping though

[rancid slate]

What could be in the first layer?

[shrewd swallow]

cocktails

the games themselves

[rancid slate]

What is the most common knowledge in the Rusty Lake series?

[shrewd swallow]

matches

collective plot

memories

furries

soundtrack

harvey (bird)

[rancid slate]

I dont think these really count as something worthy putting in an iceberg

Maybe Mr. Crow being the old man is one of the common knowledge

[covert wyvern]

You should probably specify what kind of iceberg it is! Like make it theory themed yknow

[rancid slate]

Albert is Dale

[shrewd swallow]

true

[rancid slate]

General

[visual coral]

theory iceberg actually does sound fun

[rancid slate]

The sad part would be listing the debunked ones

Some I remember:

•Cubes aren't real
•Bob killed Laura
•There are two Mr. Rabbits
•Lake/HB cs is Mrs. Pigeon
•Young Bird is Mrs. Pigeon's son
•Mr. Rabbit is Dale from the future
•Aldous is Dale's grandpa
•Dale is the reincarnation of Albert
•Samuel/James is the reincarnation of Mr. Deer/Harvey or vice-versa
•Mary is the reincarnation of Ms. Pheasant or vice-versa
•Roots cs is Mr. Crow
•William killed Laura
•The Mill lady is Rose
•Mr. Crow is gonna betray Mr. Owl
•William is Mr. Owl
•A Full Elixir
•Seasons tricks Laura into thinking she didn't died
•Van Gogh is the reincarnation of Gerard
•Mr. Owl is a fusion of Jakob and Caroline
•Dale killed Laura
•Paradox takes place after Birthday and Theatre
•Gerard is that bounce/taxi driver in TWD
•Margareth is that beggar/old lady in TWD

.

Some may have not be debunked yet

[vivid bridge]

was about to say

I think Roots CS might still be some form of Mr. Crow

since it appears in THE Mr. Crow game

also i'm still pretty sure the full elixir exists

[rancid slate]

Its actually the Mammoth

[main badge]

laura is the rebirth

are we thinking that they both are?

i don’t like that theory, i ship dale and laura and them being brothers would put a big dent in that

[rancid slate]

They are not siblings

[rancid slate]

Of who exactly?

[main badge]

i thought you were saying dale was Aldous, i got the A’s confused lol! but i don’t think dale being albert is possible considering we see albert in ub and tpw

[rancid slate]

Yeah

I was listing the debunked theories

[shrewd swallow]

Theory: the people of rusty lake are really bad at fishing and thats why its a hotspot for mental illness.

No i will not ellaborate

[azure bay]

NO! We simply HAVE to discuss it at this point! I DEMAND evidence! THIS THEORY IS...

*foaming*

[shrewd swallow]

I can only name 3 times in the series where a character catches a fish

The fish cannery may be sourcing from outward fishing areas and importing them in

As a fishing town I would be depressed if our town couldn't do the one thing it's known for

It's kinda a conspiracy but I doubt a business like rusty Lake mental health and fishing would leave their fishing secondary and their mental health at the forefront of their business

Tldr more of a conspiracy then a theory

[shrewd swallow]

im more of a conspiracy guy now that i think of it

[rancid slate]

What was the last time we saw a white cube??

Cave or TWD?

[azure bay]

Paradox has technically 1

in the green ending

[honest brook]

Does Samsara Room count?

[azure bay]

TWD possibly features one in the shelf

[rancid slate]

7 years without good memories

[azure bay]

I suppose not. It's not a memory, it's a room in some weird space

[azure bay]

good joke

[rancid slate]

⬜

[shrewd swallow]

the good memories were the friends we made along the way

[rancid slate]

And we even chose the black vial instead of the white one in RLU promo

[azure bay]

what are friends?

[shrewd swallow]

tax write offs

[rancid slate]

The Thief

[azure bay]

ah... I have no friends then

[shrewd swallow]

also i just realised when i said fish cannery i was thinking of the bird food processing from twd, here is no fish cannery

[shrewd swallow]

personally i dont pay taxes so i can have as many as i want

[rancid slate]

There are no Fish and Shrimp in TPW?

What a crime

Still one of the best RL games

[shrewd swallow]

its strange the litany of references to fishing, and other then the logo, we only ever do it 3ish times from what i can think of

i dont count the cave

[azure bay]

why?

[rancid slate]

Not all games took place in Rusty Lake tho

And even less close to the waters themselves

[shrewd swallow]

not technically conventionally catching fish, just sorta sucking them into the submarine

[rancid slate]

I assume the devs just dont want to repeat the same fishing puzzle unless they have a different idea for it

[azure bay]

they don't need waters to be served for dinner. Or fly into mouse traps for that matter

[azure bay]

we still help a fisherman with a conventional rod

[rancid slate]

Mammoth game will have the cavemen using their spears to catch fish on a river that the fishes are moving and you have to aim the spear 🙏🙏

Or just on the lake too

[shrewd swallow]

rusty lake game with only fishing

[azure bay]

"f*ck I've caught a useless cube"

[rancid slate]

(Gibberish)

[shrewd swallow]

anyway thats why i think the people of rusty lake suck at fishing and they get so depressed about it that it becomes a mental health hotspot

[rancid slate]

I mean

[azure bay]

as I think about it, yeah, the fisherman wasn't even able to catch a single fish without our help

[rancid slate]

Laura is strong enough to fish a corpse with a normal fishing rod

[shrewd swallow]

cause shes a cottage core girl

[rancid slate]

Why is this fish so sturdy?

[shrewd swallow]

UB?

[rancid slate]

Yes

[azure bay]

BTW

does it count as fishing if you catch a rat?

[rancid slate]

Sure

[shrewd swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/rat-dancing-rat-dancing-gif-24339527

[rancid slate]

Shrimp arent fish too

[shrewd swallow]

my theory is that shrimp are distributed by the government

[rancid slate]

The government in question

[shrewd swallow]

yes

[visual coral]

it was used as money in UB, so yeah

it is

[azure bay]

damn, that's actually true!

[rancid slate]

Lets say UB Harvey really was an asura and he lives all of that before RLH

How exactly is Harvey's timeline?

[azure bay]

*TRIGGERED*

ACTUALLY!..

The secret Hotel ending being right above Crib Station and other secret stations being arranged chronologically means that Harvey came back to Mr. Owl only in 1935

/srl

[shrewd swallow]

what if

3rd harvey

[rancid slate]

I said that before 🐈

Is Laura being fr when she talks about his future or is she just being like what she said to Bob in her letter? "Maybe we will meet again in another life" or something

[azure bay]

it felt genuine

[rancid slate]

Does "I wish we could go back to where it all started" in TWD matter?

[azure bay]

not here but I think so

clear regrets

[rancid slate]

She was going to UB 🤓

[shrewd swallow]

she probably went through seasons first

[azure bay]

to be exact, Laura from TLS went nowhere because she was Bob's fever dream

[rancid slate]

She went into the nest

[rancid slate]

She went to Dream 7

[azure bay]

Speaking of Seasons, I'm inclined to believe that they took place entirely during the petal tornado

[rancid slate]

Its like Samsara Room and Roots ending

[azure bay]

in a way, yeah

[shrewd swallow]

i always assumed that she experianced it in the lead up to her death

cause case 23

[rancid slate]

But she changes her past in Seasons

And lives

[floral mauve]

what about it

[rancid slate]

Is case 23 cactus an evidence? 💀

[floral mauve]

if thats what he meant

[shrewd swallow]

in the first chapter in case 23, you turn to her body and a door way to the first room in seasons fading away

[floral mauve]

ye and?

[visual coral]

that's just her home

[floral mauve]

bro you gotta write a full argument cuz I have no idea where we are going

[rancid slate]

I think Mr. Owl made the doorway disappear

[floral mauve]

I agree with this

or partially

[rancid slate]

Hes basically saying that Seasons starts when the doorway disappears

[shrewd swallow]

im not making a whole drawn out debate on this like last time

[floral mauve]

not debate, I just dont get the logic cuz lack of context

[azure bay]

Too late :з

But seriously we have a pile of evidence that the room was real.

[floral mauve]

right

[shrewd swallow]

well theres not alot of context to that moment other then seasons

[floral mauve]

my personal theory or thought is that the house has more rooms than what we saw in case 23, so what we saw are modified by owl

to interest dale

and lure him into everything

[azure bay]

Or prevent him from going there

[floral mauve]

nothing in case 23 maybe except cactus is relevant to seasons, its more about dale

[shrewd swallow]

there could have been a split, like laura's physical body was killed so there it stayed, and the corrupted soul went through the events of seasons and it was erased to close them in

[floral mauve]

but the mill would say otherwise since that where the corruption occured

[shrewd swallow]

and naturally the physical and the soul could go back and forth to lead to the mill

[floral mauve]

no corruption no cs

[azure bay]

Seasons are rather a cube travel Birthday style. And even though I admit the existence of "future cubes", I'm taking Winter 1981 as a real deal

it takes place long after Dale's ordeal ended

[rancid slate]

(About case 23 cactus)
Only thing I could think of is that Laura is already changing the past, planting the cactus, maybe even saving Harvey if he really died. But she still didnt "completed Seasons" and thats why shes still dead. (Tho, its more plausible that she simply has 2 cactus)

[shrewd swallow]

true but then what would mr owl be hiding? and from the direction we see the entrance is in the same place as the kitchen, but then that could just be camera trickery

[floral mauve]

agree but its sad that we dont have further evidence

[rancid slate]

The Knife

[shrewd swallow]

of who really killed her?

[rancid slate]

With her digitals

[floral mauve]

define

[shrewd swallow]

who did kill her?

[floral mauve]

she did kill herself

with knife

most painful way

[rancid slate]

It is shown in the Cave and confirmed in UB

[floral mauve]

from cave and ub

no william no dale no random cs no albert

just laura

[shrewd swallow]

why though

[honest brook]

Mainly because of Rose leaving her

[azure bay]

I think it was more of a level design decision.

Like they wanted to indicate that it's the other side of the same place and at the same time to make it inaccessible so they didn't have to design puzzles there and stretch the game

[shrewd swallow]

yeah

[honest brook]

That's exactly my thoughts

[shrewd swallow]

that seems like she lost rose very early, i dont see her killing herself over something from years ago

although she was medicated for mental health

[rancid slate]

Rose, Depression, skill issue with dating

[honest brook]

Well mainly because she says "where did she go, will I ever know" and then dies

[floral mauve]

Well if someone keeps bullying you for being orphan I suppose it won’t last much longer plus funny parrot

[shrewd swallow]

perhaps she meant herself in a metaphorical sense

[rancid slate]

Trauma

She is an artist too

[floral mauve]

And lake trip remember it did something

[rancid slate]

Thats more reasons to kill herself

[azure bay]

Rose was clearly the root cause.

"Your fears are rooted in your past", "Where did she go?", Rose's portrait being present during the whole chapter.

And in the end it was "my mother is here for me, I can live another life without sorrow"

[honest brook]

But she said that after saying that she dreamt of her mother

[shrewd swallow]

its been too long since i played Ub so i got hazy details

kinda skill issue though if thats her reason

[azure bay]

We may criticize UB for a big metaphorical mess as it is but thankfully Rose's role in Laura death was stated rather clearly

[azure bay]

it's not that bad, actually. People may fight depression for long until one particularly bad day or even a little twig that breaks camel's back

Sp, for instance, theorized that it was Rose's timepiece that somehow kept her in shape and things went haywire only after it was atolen

[covert wyvern]

Personal anecdotes probably aren't a good place to base theories on

[rancid slate]

Bob attempted suicide cuz Laura died
Laura died cuz Rose went away
Rose went away to ressurrect Albert cuz he died
Albert died cuz he tortured Frank
Frank was tortured cuz his mother stole Albert's butterfly
Emma is the villain!!!

[covert wyvern]

Please do be careful about what personal information you share here, its a public server after all.

[shrewd swallow]

not really a theory more of an opinion that got brought in

[covert wyvern]

This has been my semi regular stay safe online psa, happy theorising

[rancid slate]

Dont forget that the timepiece was preventing William from killing Laura /j

[azure bay]

Not to downplay you loss, I'm really sorry to hear that.

Damy's right about anecdotes. Some people are stronger, some cases are worse.

And besides, it's fiction. It's not such a big stretch to break a suspension of disbelieve.

[shrewd swallow]

point is i think its weak motivation for someone like laura to use, downplaying the multitude of reasons like losing her relationship, the violence she witnesses, ect

[rancid slate]

It makes sense to not know why she killed herself

Cuz it was personal

[azure bay]

In her defense, she was little, she was definitely scared of a ghost occultist, she probably felt abandoned (and she kinda was), then she was a bullied loner.

She did have some good moments like Bob but when things piled up even that wasn't enough

[rancid slate]

She was so lonely that catching a shrimp was considered a good memory in the Mill

[azure bay]

nah, that's exaggeration

[shrewd swallow]

i just feel like in a series so full of meaning and symbolism and lore with alot of leadup to this character all the mysticism kinda boils down to a very hollow act, that does further the rest of the story but ultimately didnt really need to happen but did need to happen cause it already did

[rancid slate]

I agree

But theres nothing we can really do

[shrewd swallow]

maybe because its hollow it carries meaning in the message of mental health

[azure bay]

you mean they made their minds about the reason retroactively?

[rancid slate]

I dont think a crazy reason for Laura's death like a ritual would make it better tho

[azure bay]

to be fair, the theme of fighting depression was there from the start

[shrewd swallow]

what i mean is that we got all the way to this point and when they finally had to decide it didnt really hold up in my eyes

[azure bay]

I think it was a bit different

[shrewd swallow]

wdym

[lunar axle]

Do you miss theorising though?

[shrewd swallow]

like imagine if we had a full game exploring the thought process, instead of the timeline of events

[rancid slate]

Damy, tell us 9 lies and 1 truth about the next game so we can theorize about it 🙏🐈

[rancid slate]

How so?

[covert wyvern]

The teasers over the holidays weren't enough?

[rancid slate]

https://tenor.com/view/the-lab-rose-lab-underground-blossom-cube-escape-rusty-lake-gif-6595396119781273009

[shrewd swallow]

like we've had games like birthday and theatre explore the themes of trauma and overcoming them to the portrayal of these presences and events to create a state of mind in each game respectively

which is why they're my favourites

[rancid slate]

About overcoming, yeah I do feel like UB's ending was weak on that

[shrewd swallow]

imagine if we had that kind of symbolism exploring those reasons and threats to her state of mind and deepening them and converging them into the penultimate event

im kind of tooting my own horn with these opinions

[rancid slate]

UB with even more symbolism would become a hell

[azure bay]

so yeah, the depression was always a central theme. And this mystical (idk how to call it) nonsense was an escapism tool.

Like "wouldn't it be great if you could magically fix your depression?" And yeah, it was also spooky, mysterious an sometimes funny. That also helped a lot. As well as the spreading out narrative.

However the idea of Rose and Albert being the cause arose not in the beginning. But at the same time, allegedly not as late as some may think.

The series started in 2015, but in 2016 they designed the origin story and a bunch of cool characters serving it. And the devs say it was then when Laura's story formed (at least the roles of Rose and Albert in her demise)

[shrewd swallow]

i wasnt really sure on the timeline of developing the characters

[rancid slate]

Werent they only referrring to Albert's story?

Aka singleplayer Albert game

[azure bay]

They definitely plan something in advance. Other things appear to fill in the gaps.

Dale's general story was there from at least almost the start. Things like Vanderbooms, the elixir and The White Door were created along the way and some of them were adjusting the main plans on Dale

[azure bay]

Albert's story is intertwined with Rose and Laura

and they were speaking of TWD and UB

"we had ideas when Albert was designed" or smth like that

[rancid slate]

For me, it always felt like Albert game was mostly or only about Albert

Then with SR, becoming TPW

Rose/Albert

[azure bay]

SR became TPW only in game design, not the story.

They were clear about UB being a thing too.

[rancid slate]

🦣

[shrewd swallow]

[rancid slate]

Oh, thats a cube.. a cube made of many cubes..

[visual coral]

the world cube

[deft haven]

Cubic cube

[rancid slate]

Also I was trying to see if there was any connection between the patterns but apparently they are all just random

[deft haven]

You really are bored

[rancid slate]

Im still hungry

And I also thought about younger versions of Dale's parents meeting in the theatre

During a Mr. Rabbit show

But they dont seem to be this old,,

[shrewd swallow]

they look like owls

[rancid slate]

WE ARE ALL TRAPPED IN LITTLE CUBES!!

[visual coral]

but there is a way out

choose a life of a tree

[rancid slate]

Gonna be doing a theory-gameplay concept video animation later this month

[vivid bridge]

neat

[floral veldt]

gee! I wonder if someone had thought about this before...

[rancid slate]

Btw, was the feather in HB always been there or was it added in Collection?

Is it supposed to reference something?

SR feather?

[azure bay]

100% CE Collection priduct.

It's reused from Samsara Room indeed but I don't see how it would mean anything

[rancid slate]

-Harvey Box is missing one achievement and we already gave an achievement for literally completing any puzzle.. what do we do?
-Add a feather

[azure bay]

Looks like it

[rancid slate]

Maybe its to relate the SR birb soul to the HB birb soul/soul in birb pov

[azure bay]

Doesn't make sense

Especially considering that it's not a birb soul in SR. It's Harvey seeing wings

[rancid slate]

It can be a birb

But front view

Like

[azure bay]

We'd probably know that in The Lake

[rancid slate]

HB - Front view
SR - 3/4 view lol
Roots - Side view for example

[azure bay]

It's supposed to be the same soul

[azure bay]

That's goes out the window because if you wanna make a birb soul, you make it obvious

[rancid slate]

Not birb soul

Cs in birb pov

[vivid bridge]

I've said this before but I always thought the harvey's box soul was just laura putting him back inside the box since you don't die when the CS grabs you, you're just back inside. It was only when the collection came out and had the "you died" achievement that I considered that its an actual CS that kills you

[pine oak]

The theory is based on several assumptions please don’t take it deeply to your heart. I know it’s crazy but But I think it might be interesting. Let's go back to the game Rusty Lake: Paradise. We know that the figures of the Pheasant, the Deer, the Rabbit, the Pigeon, the Boar and especially the Owl are surrounded by special worship. Note that all the animals worshipped by the Eilander family appear in the whole series several more times. Mainly in Rusty Lake: Hotel. There are theories that these animals are actually the Eilander family that was transformed into these animals. Open, I think this theory is completely false. But let's start from the beginning. I think that the animal characters themselves, whose images are taken by the Eilander family, can represent some kind of gods watching over the lake.. They are in the form of the previously mentioned worshiped animals. There are 7 of them: Pheasant, Deer, Rabbit, Pigeon, Wild Boar and Owl. But it's six so who is the seventh god? The answer is: The Crow. Let me explain. I think the Rusty Lake Gods can enlighten people by turning them into humanoid animals. Just like it happened in my opinion with hotel guests or Aldous. How does it happen? Well, I think it can happen according to one scheme. The scheme is: "One will find death, the other enlightenment". We encounter this scheme in two contexts. In the context of the Caroline and Jacob burning ritual, and in the context of the elixir of immortality. I think each of these contexts boils down to divine blessing and enlightenment. Maybe because Caroline's ritual is based on a later completed elixir. At the time of the burning ritual, its result was the divine blessing of the Most Important God, the Owl, and the transformation of Jacob and Caroline into the humanoid Mr. Owl. The second method, which is drinking the elixir of immortality developed by Caroline and completed by Aldous, works the same way. One person dies, another receives a blessing, enlightenment and get transformed. This transformation occurred when Aldous consumed the elixir. He was transformed when he was enlightened by the seventh most mysterious and forgotten god. The Crow. We don't know why the Crow God is no longer worshipped by Eilander family (I remind you it’s my assumption theory). Anyway, Aldous transforms into the humanoid Mr. Crow, and together with Mr. Owl extracts memories using a hotel and a lake. Okay, but we still yet don't know who the hotel guests are. In my opinion probably hotel guests are people born into wealthy noble families such as Vanderboom. They were drunk with the elixir of eternal life by their friend Aldous and transformed into humanoid animals by enlightenment. They knew Aldous because they all came from noble families. Each god descended on one of the nobles, transforming them to the form that we see in Rusty Lake: Hotel. We know how the elixir works, so probably all the nobles who succumbed to the process of drinking the elixir had to risk their lives, thus killing other people willing to enlighten. And now someone who would like to fire up my theory might ask why in Rusty Lake: Hotel guests die even though, according to my theory, they were supposed to be drunk with an elixir of eternal life? Open in my opinion, the elixir of eternal life does not mean immortality, but makes the person who drank it unable to die of old age. Just like with a Vanderbooms dog. As for the dog, I think he was not enlightened and transformed into a humanoid dog because he is not a creature so intelligent to be able to gain divine power. We also know that this elixir was not so powerful at all. In The Cave, Aldous and Owl had to re-eat the elixir to renew its power. As for the hotel guests, I think their identity is unknown except for one. Ms. Pheasant. The Lady of the Lake bla bla. I have one thing that can be a partial clue.

We all know the hidden video in the snowball in Birthday. Harvey uses a beam of light to change form into a normal animal. I think one of the aforementioned gods of the lake can change the forms of enlightened people just like he did with Harvey. I think Harvey would have to be changed several times because in Paradise we see him in the form of a parrot. Please understand this theory, it's just a loose reflection.

[honest brook]

That's interesting. But then the question would be, what happened to the other Eilanders after they performed their ritual?

[pine oak]

I think this question can be answered on the basis of this theory. They were very possibly transformed into those gods in which they dressed up, but they did not necessarily have to be the guests of the hotel. Note that, for example, David Eilander as Mr. Rabbit is not the same rabbit as the guest from the hotel. Year of birth don't match. So, for example, Margaret can be a pigeon from Harvey's Box, and not necessarily the one from the hotel.

[visual coral]

But he does identify himself as D Eilander in Paradox, and the devs confirmed that the White Rabbit CS and the Brown Rabbit in the Hotel are the same

[honest brook]

But there's also Mr. Rabbit calling himself "D. Eilander" in Paradox. Simulation or not, I don't quite see why that line would be there if Mr. Rabbit wasn't David.

[pine oak]

I thought the brown and white rabbits were different people. Somewhere on the rusty lake website it was written that the brown rabbit is 39 years old, so when he was born David was already in the world for some time.

[honest brook]

I don't think they had the story fully planned out at that point

They added lots of hints that the Eilanders were the guests, though, in Paradise

[visual coral]

I think the ages of the guests were retconed or never canon in the first place

[honest brook]

Yeah, I think they retroactively decided their backstory

It's why I don't necessarily take what the devs say as fact

[honest brook]

The only canon is what's told to us through the games

[pine oak]

Yeah that makes sense

[honest brook]

And even then, sometimes it's only metaphors and symbolism

[visual coral]

You actually done quite a good analysis by yourself, and the thing about the dog not being conscious enough is very likely true
Just pointing out some inconsistencies:
William was the creator of the liquid elixir, not Aldous. That's why Owl and Crow went above and beyond to get him to reincarnate and get his memories. They couldn't recreate the elixir themselves
Also Harvey most likely died in that BD scene and we see Mr Owl T-posing next to his body(aka using magic on him) to bring him back as a parrot

[vivid bridge]

I agree on the mr rabbit thing

there's two of those guys

[honest brook]

It's true, I agree that the dog remained a dog due to the fact that it was unaware of the Elixir and what enlightenment meant, and most likely thought it was just water or something

[pine oak]

Thank you♥️. But didn't Harvey happen to fly away transformed by a beam of light?

[visual coral]

I'd take the most recent thing that they said seriously
Until they retcon again lol

[honest brook]

After all, in the original Samsara cycle, I think animals were seen as more ignorant, and it was hard for them to be reborn in the higher realms

[visual coral]

Yep, he did
Mr Owl could have revived him with that beam of light

But only as a parrot

[pine oak]

..9383

!:

Oh. I interpreted this scene in a completely different way. I thought he was transformed to avoid death by running away from Corrupted Souls and flying away. Thank you for the clarification.

[visual coral]

Plus, to become the Deva, the highest realm Dale has to go through cubic therapy and reach the higher state of consciousness

[visual coral]

Yeah, it really easy to miss Mr Owl standing there

[honest brook]

Yes, I think the state of mind is very important in terms of being reborn on a higher realm

[pine oak]

It's sad that Aldous reincarnated his brother just to get an elixir and not from some depth of feelings. The more I interprets this world, the more I realizes how bad Aldous is. In fact, because of his lack of attention his wife died.

[rancid slate]

"White" Rabbit is just corrupted Mr Rabbit

[pine oak]

I know that white rabbit is corrupted

But it wasn’t that clear that it was same rabbit as this rabbit from hotel

But it seems I was wrong

[honest brook]

But we see it's his corrupted soul at the end of Hotel

[vivid bridge]

debatable

[rancid slate]

All the guests are in a chamber at the ending, so youd assume that is Mr Rabbit

[pine oak]

Notice that the same soul walks outside the Rabbit window as an easter egg. We can conclude from this that these are two other characters.

[vivid bridge]

^

[rancid slate]

Some people dont consider easter eggs as canon

[vivid bridge]

??

[visual coral]

I don't think Aldous has only selfish interests in mind. I actually think that the brothers new that one of them will die and though out the resurrection process before hand

[vivid bridge]

easter egg? that's a whole ass character with a unique sprite outside the window

[pine oak]

You might be right but

[pine oak]

.

[rancid slate]

I dont think the devs would make 2 characters that look 99% the same for no reason

[honest brook]

Yeah

[vivid bridge]

its called a misdirect

[rancid slate]

Laura has 2 eyecolors in TWD

One slightly green

And another blue

[pine oak]

I think that if it were not confirmed that white and brown are the same people, there are so many inaccuracies that they could be considered separate characters

In my opinion

[rancid slate]

They are not 2 different characters

[pine oak]

If you say so

[visual coral]

same character, different forms
and then he shaved his whiskers

[rancid slate]

Even Paradox has Mr Rabbit with different sprites

[honest brook]

It also makes sense narratively. Birthday was right after Hotel, the game featuring Mr. Rabbit, it makes sense for it to be the same one in Birthday

[vivid bridge]

why would they put an easter egg white rabbit with whiskers (which the CS white rabbit doesn't have) in the room while no other character has a similar easter egg

[rancid slate]

To tease that hes important

[rancid slate]

☝️

[vivid bridge]

but the rabbit in birthday does not act like a CS

that's a whole ass person

[honest brook]

He talks about escaping his state

[rancid slate]

Hes simply dressed up

[visual coral]

there's also different stages of the CS

[pine oak]

It is interesting that one of the well-known ways of uncorruption is shooting. Like Van Gogh. Do you think that Mr. Rabbit predicted that Dale would go back in time and that his grandfather would shoot him so that his soul could rest?

[visual coral]

it seems like the more human they look the more chances they have to escape that state

[pine oak]

Yup, like Lady of the lake

Looks normal

[honest brook]

I think that's due to it simply being a corrupted soul costume for the play

[visual coral]

and the stages can change

[pine oak]

Looks normal for a corrupted soul ; )

[rancid slate]

Theatre lady has more chances of being an actual different character

[vivid bridge]

theatre lady is a different person but in theatre's context, she represents Ms. Pheasant

[rancid slate]

Isnt she supposed to represent Laura?

[vivid bridge]

well both

[visual coral]

Nah, to uncorrupt one needs to balance the substance of their past lives. Like shown in Theatre, but in a metaphoric way
So I think getting shot was not in Rabbit's plan, he wanted to take the gun in do something else with it

[honest brook]

In fact, since the very same pistol can be found in the hotel, my theory is that Mr. Rabbit somehow travelled back in time after being corrupted, which is why we see two of them

[rancid slate]

If he really wanted to "die" he could just shoot himself

[pine oak]

I have a theory. Maybe Beasant is actually Lady of the Lake. After all, Aldous lost the form of a Crow when he did not have access to the elixir. Maybe when the pheasant also did not have access to the elixir (even in the form of a ritual) she lost her animal form?

[pine oak]

Good point

[visual coral]

Yeah, I agree that CS can time travel

[vivid bridge]

fuck UB for opening up that whole time travel can of worms

UB is not even real

[rancid slate]

UB is not canon, guys

[vivid bridge]

I hope

[pine oak]

What’s UB?

[vivid bridge]

underground blossom

[pine oak]

Thank you

[pine oak]

Isn’t?

Why?

[visual coral]

but they still need a blue cube to change the past if that what balancing the substance means

[vivid bridge]

I think they're joking

[rancid slate]

Just joking

[pine oak]

👌

[pine oak]

But why Van Gogh was uncorrupted when he shot himself?

[vivid bridge]

anyways so mr rabbit/david doesn't act like a CS at all. The only evidence is that he looks like Hotel-Rabbit's soul (not really because lack of whiskers) and that he's searching for a way to escape whatever state he's in

there's evidence that he's not even an asura and he's just wearing a mask

[pine oak]

If you look at Birthday outside the window you will see a corrupted soul with rabbit ears who is David

So White rabbit I think must be corrupted soul

[rancid slate]

They also have the fur aura like any other cs

Break glass

[vivid bridge]

david's just a freak

[rancid slate]

Show either goofy or aggressive behaviour

Are supposed to be creepy like any cs

[pine oak]

Nice 👍

[pine oak]

Good point

[vivid bridge]

even then, the regular White Rabbit doesn't have the CS fur aura

Maybe he's in a similar situation like Bob where he keeps changing between Human and CS

so he wears a White Rabbit mask to hide it

[rancid slate]

Regularr?

[pine oak]

Don't you think Crow behaved a bit like a corrupted soul in Roots? He smashed the glass in one of the first levels and had the color scheme of corrupted soul.

[vivid bridge]

like, when he shoots Dale's parents

he's just a white rabbit in a suit

doesn't look corrupted

[rancid slate]

That was Mr. Crow

[pine oak]

I meant Mr crow

[honest brook]

I guess so, kind of

[pine oak]

That he behaved like a corrupted soul

That’s weird

[rancid slate]

He was drugged

[visual coral]

he was corrupted

[pine oak]

: O

But

Okay

[vivid bridge]

him having brown hands to me implies that the white head is a mask, no matter if the hands are just gloves or if he's a brown rabbit or whatever

[pine oak]

I though that he wasn’t at the end

[pine oak]

I think it’s head same as corrupted soul in private room

Or rabbit outside the brown rabbits window

[rancid slate]

Most recent sprite should always the be the one considered most canon

[honest brook]

That one looks even more like the mask

[vivid bridge]

they actually do look different. The Hotel-Rabbit's soul doesn't have whiskers while the one outside the window does, just like David/White Rabbit

also the live action version

[remote remnant]

the lake is thousands of years old, with supposedly other rulers besides Mr Owl & Dale (to be) so he's maybe just a random soul, there are so many animals you can be after all

[vivid bridge]

these are very consistent details

well we know White Rabbit is David

[pine oak]

I really think that those details are not really important

[vivid bridge]

but

its a whole ass sprite

they didn't accidentally draw whiskers on this guy

they didn't accidentally make a different sprite for the easter egg

[pine oak]

My theory is that David was Enlightened and after that corrupted

[vivid bridge]

they didn't accidentally keep the whiskers consistent in all following games

[visual coral]

if the no whiskers rabbit appears only one time in the Hotel and never again then it is most likely a mistake of some sort

[rancid slate]

They just forgot to change the sprite

[vivid bridge]

no

[rancid slate]

Ask them

[remote remnant]

did you make that just now or do you keep it for special occasions

[vivid bridge]

I made this last time we had a rabbit whiskers discussion. Originally it had nowhere but I just changed it to Sp

[rancid slate]

Oh so thats why she looked like Miss Pauling

[vivid bridge]

yeah das you

[rancid slate]

Well

[vivid bridge]

here's the nowhere version

[visual coral]

aw that's so thoughtfull

[rancid slate]

In CE The Lake

The fishing rod changes color when used

They forgot to change it

[pine oak]

Everything is arranged in one logical whole. Souls who escaped from the hotel in the second half of the twentieth century wandered the lake and hurt others (for example a deer who wanted to kill Dale in Case 23). The rabbit wanted to restore its normal form by killing Dale's parents.

[vivid bridge]

okay but those are mistakes. The fact that there's a second rabbit with different features in the same location as the first one has to mean something

[rancid slate]

https://tenor.com/view/rusty-lake-cube-escape-lake-cube-escape-the-lake-cube-escape-corrupted-soul-gif-17531150288137471362

[pine oak]

Long story short

[rancid slate]

Watch closely

[remote remnant]

groundbreaking.

[vivid bridge]

that's an art errror

[rancid slate]

70% of the sprites have transparents spaces close to the lines

In the two recent images

[vivid bridge]

so many stories have misdirects where there's two characters who look alike but have one small difference and the reveal that its two people comes later so its not out of the question

just recently One Piece had this exact plot twist

[rancid slate]

Do you think Rusty Lake would pull this off?

[vivid bridge]

sure why not

[remote remnant]

yeah but why

[rancid slate]

What would be even the point?
"A-ha! Its not Mr Rabbit! Haha! You have all been fooled!"

[remote remnant]

Evil Mr Rabbit confirmed?

[rancid slate]

"It was his evil clone all along!"

[vivid bridge]

Sp do you think the guests are the eilanders?

[rancid slate]

Sure

[pine oak]

My theory said that they are not, but I think now that it’s true

[vivid bridge]

yikes

[vivid bridge]

noo stand strong, brother

[rancid slate]

Thats what Paradise suggests, thats what Paradox directly tells you

[vivid bridge]

nuh uh

[honest brook]

I think so. With all the references to Hotel in Paradise, like Nicholas drinking blood and Gerard on the toilet

[pine oak]

🤣love you

[remote remnant]

Eilanders are

on an island

but the hotel guests

are on a boat

[honest brook]

that is heading towards the island

[vivid bridge]

Paradox says that White Rabbit is David but as we have established, he has evidence that he's not the hotel rabbit

[visual coral]

it's basically confirmed that they are

[rancid slate]

Bro needs a scene where David directly turns into Mr Rabbit with the same sprite as hotel and then turns into Mr Rabbit with the same sprite as in CE Birthday

[vivid bridge]

yes

[rancid slate]

He does magic

Thats enough evidence

[remote remnant]

maybe he's got serious vitiligo

[vivid bridge]

If Paradox was like "Nicholas is Mr. Deer" then sure, that settles that. But the fact is that the one character they confirm is the one where we have concrete evidence for a "secret twin brother" plot twist (I don't mean that in a literal sense, just thats what the trope is)

also the eilanders don't fit the guests

even beyond the website profiles

the one one who fits is Boar

[rancid slate]

Concrete evidence = 1 sprite

[vivid bridge]

David's characterization also doesn't fit with CS

[pine oak]

If the lake day ritual related to the elixir transforms people into humanoid animals like Mr. Owl, it means that the Eilanders had to transform. Now the question is whether they were in the hotel or not. But there were too many signs...

[visual coral]

David had to be enlightened the same way the other Eilanders did, and they did the ritual thing with the Lake
So if one of the guests is a confirmed Eilander other has to be too
It's just the path of least resistance

[pine oak]

Matching

[vivid bridge]

We don't know if the eilanders were enlightened

we know Jakob was

[rancid slate]

Cuz David wasnt planned with Hotel/Birthday

Just like the whole Vanderboom family wasnt too

[vivid bridge]

I think they might have had the idea of a second rabbit character and then with Paradise they decided to introduce the character

[pine oak]

Bro it’s annual

Event

In every year there was day of the lake

And sacrifice

[vivid bridge]

who do they sacrifice

[pine oak]

Family members

Even David said

[rancid slate]

They sacrificed Jakob

[vivid bridge]

that's not how that works

[pine oak]

I hope I won’t be next

[visual coral]

well David was

[pine oak]

David said that

So they was in fear to be sacrificed next year

[vivid bridge]

The family's plan was to sacrifice Jakob so that they can get enlightened but plot twist, Jakob got enlightened because of sneaky Caroline shenanigans. You can't sacrifice yourself to get enlightened

[honest brook]

It probably doesn't happen every year, he said "I hope I am not the one who dies tonight"

[remote remnant]

every year idk

[pine oak]

Yeah my bad

[visual coral]

But Jacob did burn so they technically did sacrifice him

[pine oak]

And enlighten

[remote remnant]

theyd run out of people to sacrifice in like 8 DoTLs

[visual coral]

Then Caroline sacrificed herself

[pine oak]

So the conclusion is there is way to be sacrificed and enlightened

Like Caroline and Jakob

[vivid bridge]

Caroline and Jakob are the enlightenment duo in this specific scenario. The eilanders get nothing from it

[honest brook]

Jakob was enlightened due to the creation of the Elixir, not the ritual

[pine oak]

But the ritual was in the same scheme

One die, second will be enlightened

[rancid slate]

Jakob dies -> Eilanders get enlighetened
Caroline makes Elixir -> Jakob revives

[pine oak]

Book of Caroline said that

[pine oak]

Caroline gets corrupted

[vivid bridge]

what

[rancid slate]

She already was

[vivid bridge]

I don't think you can mass enlight like that, either

[rancid slate]

Nicholas asked to enlight them, not him

[visual coral]

We have a confirmed case of one of the Eilanders being enghlitened
why would others not be if they did the ritual collectively?

[pine oak]

If so, why weren't the Eilanders enlightened when they burned Caroline?

[honest brook]

Because they sacrificed the wrong person

[visual coral]

they did that ritual for generations, it would make no sense to do it collectively if that wasn't possible

[pine oak]

So just they burned Jakob and get enlightened form him and Jakob was revived by his mother thanks to elixir recipe?

[vivid bridge]

no

[honest brook]

That's what I think

[visual coral]

yes, that the most logical thing

[rancid slate]

[pine oak]

We talk more than hour

Nice debate

[vivid bridge]

guys we know that the rule is One Person dies, One gets enlightened. That's the basis for the whole enlightenment system. The whole plot twist of Paradise is that Nicholas thought they could sacrifice Jakob to get enlightened (without any actual knowledge on how anything works, they just burned him) while PLOT TWIST Caroline had prepared for the situation and she's is the sacrifice for Jakob. Jakob getting enlightened instead of the family is the point of the game

and again, the eilanders don'T actually match up with the guests beyond surface aesthetics

that is ignoring the website profiles

those make an even stronger case

[rancid slate]

Explain this

[pine oak]

But how elixir recipe and sacrifice of mother would stop an enlightenment of whole family?

[remote remnant]

Shadow Bonny

[vivid bridge]

yeah that's RXQLTKSOTZL

shadow bonnie is not the correct term

Shadow Freddy, yes, but Shadow Bonnie's name is whatever keymash Scott feels like at the moment

[remote remnant]

My bad, Mister RXQLTKSOTZL

[vivid bridge]

anyways whats your point

[rancid slate]

None 🗣

[pine oak]

There is many sprites of corrupted Mr. Rabbit

[rancid slate]

Thats the elixir rule

[pine oak]

One is from CE Bierhday and other from Cave and other from hotel

[rancid slate]

Not enlightenment

[honest brook]

The Day of the Lake ritual could work differently

[vivid bridge]

the enlightenment IS elixir

Jakob gets enlightened because of the elixir

[rancid slate]

Tree is enlightenement
Rebirth is enlightenement

[vivid bridge]

you know what I mean

[pine oak]

But it was also over the drawing of bonfire

[vivid bridge]

becoming a funky animal person

[pine oak]

So maybe it’s also rule for ritual

[rancid slate]

Pretty sure the devs would prefer to not repeat things tho

[vivid bridge]

Nicholas legit has no idea what he's doing. His plan is to burn his son alive to enlighten his family even though nothing in the series has indicated that that works

Caroline figuring out how to enlighten someone is the gotcha moment at the end of the game

she defies the family and the sacrifice becomes the prophesized ruler of the lake instead

[pine oak]

Eliskir works either with drinking or with ritual

[vivid bridge]

We don't know that

[rancid slate]

Paradox Mr Rabbit matches Hotel Mr Rabbit

[pine oak]

We know from Caroline’s book

And ending scene of paradise

[vivid bridge]

The ending of Paradise is a kind of elixir

since her memories contain the ingredients

we don't know if the fire plan would have worked and i'm pretty confident it wouldn't have

[rancid slate]

2-3 in Birthday and 3 in Hotel

4 counting his uncorrupted sprite

[pine oak]

Her memories with recipe were activated because of ritual that killed Jakob

So because of ritual Hakob was enlightened with his mother

[rancid slate]

His cave sprite is a different one

[honest brook]

Like, the fire activated the Elixir?

[vivid bridge]

The ritual has nothing to do with it, its the fire

the fire is part of the ingredients

[pine oak]

The death

Of Jakob

[vivid bridge]

if they just burned Jakob to death on its own, he would have just died/corrupted

the fire is the final ingredient, not the actual cause

it's Caroline's gotcha moment

[rancid slate]

The fire is from Caroline being burned

[pine oak]

I’m not sure

[pine oak]

Exactly

Not from Jacob

[rancid slate]

Pretty sure he died

It even has the orange background

https://tenor.com/view/william-vanderboom-corrupted-william-vanderboom-corrupted-soul-hungry-ghost-rebirth-gif-17972542669480084146

[vivid bridge]

true

[remote remnant]

Orange = Death

[visual coral]

fire is not the final ingredient, the last memory Caroline hid is

[vivid bridge]

but even then, I don't see how that would enlighten the family. They just burned a family member, that's it

all the actual magic was done by Caroline and the cubes

[rancid slate]

They burned the chosen one

[vivid bridge]

the family wouldn't get anything from it

[honest brook]

But it was on the Day of the Lake

[pine oak]

If they burnet Jakob instead of Caroline they will be enlightened

Because of this

[rancid slate]

https://tenor.com/view/mundo-feliz-onetreehsll-world-if-gif-14071235670792471304

The world if they ignored Caroline and sacrificed Jakob in first place

[remote remnant]

that was the plan wasnt it?

[pine oak]

Relatable

But Caroline loved her son 💞

[vivid bridge]

the prophecy is "burn jakob and enlightenment will happen" which Nicholas interpreted as "sacrifice jakob and i'll get enlightened"

[rancid slate]

*we

[vivid bridge]

semantics

[remote remnant]

she definitely had favorites

[visual coral]

The whole Eilander cult thing is about sacrificing a special person on a special day to get a chance to enlighten
Yes, we don't know exactly how they did it but we have quite a strong evidence that one of them did
And the connection between the Eilanders and the Hotel guests is one of the most obvious in the whole series, like they want us to make that connection

[rancid slate]

David: Mom, would you sacrifice yourself to save me too?
Caroline: No

David:

[pine oak]

I think that if David would be the chosen one she will rescue him also

[vivid bridge]

but the eilanders guests connection is so flimsy

[rancid slate]

https://tenor.com/view/tommy-gun-mr-rabbit-cube-escape-birthday-rusty-lake-cube-escape-gif-9804821201407994540

[vivid bridge]

its so surface level

[visual coral]

so literally everyone would understand it

[vivid bridge]

I don't think a corrupted soul would use a gun

[vivid bridge]

its either the shittiest retcon ever or a misdirect

[pine oak]

Corrupted Souls can have a stages

[remote remnant]

why not

[rancid slate]

Thats 100% a cs

[remote remnant]

one uses a knife in seasons

[vivid bridge]

you can tell that a lot of my theories are quite old because they rely on me having faith in the devs, which is something that has waned in recent years

[vivid bridge]

they're, like, animals

they maul you

they're zombies

[remote remnant]

wdym

carolines corrupted soul talked multiple times

[pine oak]

But literally CS killed a Laura with a KNIFE

[vivid bridge]

David WhiteRabbit is way more intelligent than any other CS we've seen in the series

[rancid slate]

https://tenor.com/view/janitor-rose-lab-the-lab-underground-blossom-cube-escape-gif-8482892959049135323

[pine oak]

material thing

[remote remnant]

they arent zombies for sure

[vivid bridge]

nah that's just a metaphor. We see in The Cave that Laura killed herself

[visual coral]

I think it was something like
"Let's make this group of furries that will be important later"

[pine oak]

As a CS

[remote remnant]

as I said, a corrupted soul wields a knife in seasons if you look outside the window on the Fall 1971 level

[vivid bridge]

yes, so that falls under "shittiest retcon ever"

[vivid bridge]

No

just regular laura

she's the one cutting her throat

[visual coral]

if you prefer it that way, I guess

[remote remnant]

Oh yeah Bob

[pine oak]

Maybe she is drawing something on wall with this knife

[vivid bridge]

again, that's just laura

its a metaphor

[remote remnant]

tru

[rancid slate]

Me when I ran out of ink

[remote remnant]

what about william

he can interract with objects & even living people to an extent

[rancid slate]

William is Laura

[pine oak]

Yeah he helped to kill a few of his family members

[remote remnant]

yeah but in Roots I mean

[vivid bridge]

that's true

[remote remnant]

he is a CS in roots

[vivid bridge]

some CS are nicer than others

see Caroline, too

[pine oak]

So

[vivid bridge]

but we don't see those souls wear clothes and wield weapons or write letters

[pine oak]

David is nicer CS

That can kill other people

Your theory is abolished

[vivid bridge]

no

never

[pine oak]

XD

[remote remnant]

yeah but the point about the clothes is valid

[pine oak]

With to the end

If your ship is sinking, sink whit it

[remote remnant]

when Bob was in custody he was in clothes, & when he turned he was full black, no clothes on him

[visual coral]

the stages, man, remember the CS stages

[rancid slate]

Ask Damy to ask the devs if the no whiskers sprite was a mistake or not

[visual coral]

Rabbit just a different stage in BD

[vivid bridge]

no such thing

[visual coral]

he's not like other CS

he's special

[pine oak]

How do you explain the fished out

Corrupted soul

Someone send gif

[remote remnant]

someone said it was a regular corpse with a CS inside of it or smth

[vivid bridge]

yeah

[rancid slate]

https://tenor.com/view/corrupted-soul-cube-escape-the-lake-rusty-lake-cube-escape-cube-escape-lake-gif-10569396338234979055

[pine oak]

“Inside”?

[vivid bridge]

tbh both seasons and lake fall under "early installment weirdness"

[remote remnant]

yeah idk how that works

Van Gogh's soul used a gun on himself tho im not sure that counts

[pine oak]

It doesn't matter if he's alive or dead. You can see that the hands are notcompletely filled with this black scum so there are certain stages.

[rancid slate]

Imo Lake CS is just a normal cs but more detailed/early design cuz its literally the first game

[pine oak]

Yes

[remote remnant]

maybe

[pine oak]

But it tell us about the stages

Because of hand

[rancid slate]

Arles blurry cs is so ugly 😭

[pine oak]

That is normal

[remote remnant]

what do the stages depend on?

[pine oak]

I think the level of corruption

In body

And mind

[visual coral]

It could be because bodies can be corrupted too
Lake Laura in the Mill and in the Cave
Like the soul is still tied to the body

Maybe that guy in the Lake drowned very recently

[rancid slate]

Imo, I dont think there are no stages just because they are both inconsistent and never were explained too

[pine oak]

So why CS in the lake have normal hand?

[rancid slate]

But I dont mind they existing

[pine oak]

Gotta go see ya

[rancid slate]

All the "dress" cs are female

Emma, Laura, Caroline

Maybe the unknown roots soul too

I dont remember any male dress cs

[visual coral]

But the devs said it has nothing to do with the gender

[remote remnant]

early CS didnt even have legs, correct?

[rancid slate]

With the actual dress sprite

[visual coral]

Honestly, I would prefer them giving as actually valuable answers and not the behind the scenes lore that we had no idea existed

And by valuable answers I do mean the whiskers thing of course

[rancid slate]

@covert wyvern could you gently ask the devs if the sprite of Mr Rabbit with no whiskers in Hotel was just a mistake?

[vivid bridge]

I don't think they would answer a question like that

[remote remnant]

why not

it most likely doesnt have any plot significance at all

[vivid bridge]

you'll see

you'll all seeeeee

[rancid slate]

https://tenor.com/view/elizabeth-eilander-rusty-lake-cube-escape-gif-16475247025182958401

[vivid bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/mituna-captor-mituna-pipe-bubbles-smoke-gif-10984166559509919576

[azure bay]

just imagine. For years Damy asks all these questions and keeps answers to himself

[rancid slate]

Theyd be funny

[rancid slate]

Do you guys think Rose Tree is supposed to be the tree in Seasons or atleast the tree in the photo?

[floral veldt]

well

maybe she turned into a cherry tree cause laura liked them?

[azure bay]

maybe

[floral veldt]

What flowers does laura like?

[rancid slate]

None specifically I think

[pine oak]

I've always wondered what this sprite means. Can anyone tell me how to understand it?

[rancid slate]

Birb soul

Top 5 charas

Easy

[pine oak]

I don’t really get it

[floral veldt]

the sprite is of a cs in RL Roots

it is never identified who the original person said soul belonged to was

we just...

yk...

[pine oak]

It was a bit confusing because this soul was similar to Mr. Crow...🥲

[floral veldt]

[floral veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/roots-cs-roots-soul-corrupted-soul-unknown-soul-unknown-corrupted-soul-gif-4993176189708476754

[pine oak]

Maybe it’s Harvey’s corrupted soul 🤯

Mind blowing theory

[rancid slate]

Could be any bird

Theres a smilar one in Samsara Room

[floral veldt]

I mean... @rancid slate It could fit within root's timeline, no?

[pine oak]

I’m joking

[floral veldt]

wait... no, it clashes with the search

[rancid slate]

A common theory is that it is Mr. Crow from the future

[floral veldt]

my man does not get corrupted dirty like that

but I mean... look at those curves...

[rancid slate]

But idk why hed be helping Albert (Unless hes helping William to help Albert)

[pine oak]

But to travel in time you need to have a blue cube or be CS

[rancid slate]

Not necessarily

[pine oak]

Any other ways?

[rancid slate]

Some believe Corrupted Souls can time travel

[floral veldt]

the whole entering a memory thing is kinda like timetravel, also UB

[rancid slate]

Like Corrupted Mr Rabbit in the Window during Hotel

[pine oak]

Yeah I’m pretty sure that that golden cube can allow you to time travel to the future.

Because of drawing in the Caroline’s book

[floral veldt]

I mean, owl saw the future in a white one... could we make it an honorable mention?

[rancid slate]

Have you played The Past Within?

[pine oak]

Yeah but a couple of time ago

[rancid slate]

So, in the end, Albert says that we are all trapped in little cubes

And Past Rose is basically an alternate timeline

So, technically, acessing any past cube already allows you to "timetravel"

Since cubes = realities

[pine oak]

It seems your right but im not a big fan of this concept

[rancid slate]

Its pretty trippy

And a little controversial since all these years, most people, including myself, believed that cubes arent real

[pine oak]

This picture made me think that gold cubes can take you to the future

Going back to Mr. Crow case why Mr. Crow in the window during the level with diamonds behaves like a CS breaking the glass and in general looks like a CS?

In roots

[rancid slate]

He was happy to see his brother again /j

Well

In early Roots

It was not Mr. Crow there

It was a corrupted soul

You can it on the first trailer

Since we play as William, I guess they removed the corrupted soul and used Mr. Crow instead to maintain the creepy scene

While Mr. Crow looks black and with a white eye, he does not have the cs aura around his silhouette so hes not one

[pine oak]

Yeah that’s good point

But his eyes confused me

[rancid slate]

Similar to it

We have the crow in Mill and UB

[pine oak]

It makes sense. They are not corrupted, but "black" with white eyes. Maybe in some kind of shadow

Rusty Lake could be a little bit confusing

[rancid slate]

Also

I found a weird quote by the devs

Steph: In Rusty Lake Hotel, we learned that Harvey was more than just the Woman’s pet, and in fact used to have a human body and work for Mr. Crow and Mr. Owl. We know that under threat of death, Harvey was able to drop his/her human form and become a regular bird. Will something like this eventually happen to Mr. Crow or Mr. Owl? How did Aldous Vanderboom become Mr. Crow in the first place?

Rusty Lake: Yes for Mr Crow it already happened.

It makes it look like Mr. Crow became a regular crow too

But I think they misunderstood it and were talking about the Roots elixir level..?

Either way, if its not in the games, its still not canon 🐈

[pine oak]

So far, the only case of the transformation of a humanoid animal into a normal one is Harvey transformed by the "light" by Mr. Owl

But I might be in mistake

[rancid slate]

Like, as the Lake is timeless, it couldve been as if Rose Tree has always been there and maybe even how Rose knew she would become the Tree (?)

[rancid slate]

If you count Case 23 cs as Mr. Deer, I guess corrupted souls could appear as animals too

[pine oak]

But wasn't the corrupted soul of the Cabin first enlightened?

There is theory that it was Nicholas

As CS in deer form

[rancid slate]

It would mean they can turn into animals too

Or atleast make that illusion

Like as many people believe the pigeon in Harvey Box is corrupted Mrs. Pigeon luring the player

[pine oak]

Yeah I heard of that

Because of wings

[pine oak]

And there is a rule that only what is in the game is in canon?

[rancid slate]

No 👽 But considering what they talk as a temporary truth, yes

For example, the guests ages could be retconned at some point if they need to

Since they are not in-game

[rancid slate]

Its like a story in its early stages

Like the singleplayer Albert game later changing to co-op TPW

[pine oak]

Interesting

[azure bay]

there was 1 case when a golden cube was showing the future. but there was the same case for a white 1 and there was a case where this quote was figurative

[azure bay]

I don't think Rose was a tree in the surface world. But a dead tree we see outside the cube with a window may have been retconed as Rose

[rancid slate]

But theres the possibility that a White Cube managed to show the future becuz it was in a timeless place 🐈

[pine oak]

So basically the golden cube is the hardest one to get and we don’t know what it does : |

[azure bay]

I was stating facts, not speculations

[rancid slate]

1981 ending?

[azure bay]

yep

[azure bay]

there are 2 good guesses

1. The Cave heavily implied it was a form of the elixir of life and death

2. The Past Within made it a future cube

[pine oak]

When?

[pine oak]

Yes so picture in book probably was right

[rancid slate]

Laura's cubes and the golden have this symbol

[azure bay]

as I said, there are contradictions and other possibilities

[rancid slate]

Which is the Elixir symbol
Roots -> Cave
Elixir, Elixir

[pine oak]

Interesting fact

Maybe this two theories are both right

[rancid slate]

My theory is that Golden Cubes are yellow cubes

😎

[azure bay]

it started in the mural about William. He made the elixir, transformed into Laura, she lost her cube but William's elixir elements were still there.

Then we have the scheme of the golden cube creation. Laura's memories hold the elixir insignia, so does the golden cube.

[pine oak]

Yup that makes sense

[azure bay]

Caroline's elixir was made basically in the same way

she extracted elixir elements from her memories

and she said that her memories were "the key to Jakob's future"

[rancid slate]

She kidnapped two people and made her slave go through a submarine

[azure bay]

they weren't showing the future but they were basically making Jakob's future happen

so could be the golden cube for Dale

or yes, it may literally contain the future

I just don't understand how it would get there

[pine oak]

And why did Dale take the golden cube to the elevator?

[azure bay]

because the ritual will take place on the surface

[rancid slate]

Oh wait, the gcube was also created inside the Lake brah uuhh nvm Ig?

Maybe you have to be a Naraka idk

Ig Gcubes are really just important cubes 🫡

[azure bay]

I really hope they make sense instead of being every-cubes

[pine oak]

I think that simply a gcubes has the power of an elixir plus a transfer to the future in gratis

But we don’t know 🤷

[azure bay]

it was never about a transfer, not even in TPW

it technically contained a timeline with an offset into the future

and my intuition tells me that containing a timeline and being the elixir aren't aligned properties