I still think they might cop out and have the final game have two endings, one where Dale wins (pink blossoms/butterfly timeline) and one where Laura wins (white blossoms/bee timeline)
#🤔｜theories
vivid bridge
rancid slate
And maybe use one of the timelines to continue the story
hot stirrup
How did you get the term 'deva' and 'asura'? I just scrolled and I saw these terms being used, all I know is that a deva is some kind of nature spirit and an asura is some kind of demon. Not sure what else.
Sorry I'm really painfully new lol
visual coral
How did you get the term 'deva' and 'asura'? I just scrolled and I saw these ter...
It comes from Theatre, it was written in Sanskrit
Simply put:
Deva - god
Asura -demigod
Devs confirmed that we haven't seen Devas in RL yet, and Dale's reflection in the Deva picture makes it seem like he's set to be the first one
vivid bridge
How did you get the term 'deva' and 'asura'? I just scrolled and I saw these ter...
Yeah we pretty much don't have actual terms for the states of being in the rusty lake world, so we just use their corresponding samsara wheel names
corrupted souls are hungry ghosts/preta but since we have an actual term for those, me rarely use the samsara terms
based on Theatre's pictures, the trees at the bottom of the lake are Naraka/hell. So that would (probably) include the Rose tree from TPW/UB and maybe even what happens to Mr. Rabbit at the end of Birthday
and yeah, we haven't seen Deva yet but its the end goal of the Dale/Laura plotline. Because of that, we don't actually know what it looks like
i'll be disappointed if its also just animal people
I've said this all before but with the focus on samsara and rebirth, its weird how we haven't had a single example of confirmed "regular" reincarnation
also weird that Nirvana hasn't actually come up. You'd think it would factor into things
noble plinth
do we know if 1487 means anything? like symbolism and stuff
vivid bridge
thats the code from the first game, right?
Nah, I don't think it has any meaning ||other than early rusty lake loving the number "14" as the start of their codes||
rancid slate
14xx is the equivalent of 1234 passwords in early Rusty Lake
rancid slate
also weird that Nirvana hasn't actually come up. You'd think it would factor int...
Maybe it just doesnt exist in Lakism
vivid bridge
Maybe
noble plinth
do we know if 1487 means anything? like symbolism and stuff
the only thing I found about it is witches hammer being published in 1487 which is sorta relevant because Caroline was burned on the stake, but ig it's probably a random number
visual coral
also weird that Nirvana hasn't actually come up. You'd think it would factor int...
I think Rose's tree could be the closest we can get to Nirvana in RL
vivid bridge
but then whats Naraka
visual coral
But Nirvana is technically stops you from reincarnating and as far as I remember devs said something about "you can't get stuck on one Samsara stage"
vivid bridge
I feel like a dead tree is just someone who used to be Naraka and then, you know, died and reincarnated to a different state
visual coral
I like a theory about Rose giving away her enlightenment to Laura with the blossoms. Kinda being Laura's sacrifice.
vivid bridge
True
visual coral
I like a theory about Rose giving away her enlightenment to Laura with the bloss...
It's based on a assumption that you don't actually have to die to be a sacrifice for the elixir ritual, but you just downgrade on the samsara wheel
visual coral
You are not a tree
I would like to be a tree
vivid bridge
i'm more like a banana tree where i'm classified as an herb
rancid slate
I wouldnt mind being a corrupted soul
vivid bridge
you can do that without being an undead zombie in constant pain
visual coral
https://tenor.com/view/corrupted-soul-corrupted-albert-vanderboom-corrupted-albe...
He's pole dancing
rancid slate
Btw, last year on jan 2nd we got the New Year image so today we could get one too
azure bay
did they ever post 2 images in a row like that?
rancid slate
Didnt they last year?
(2023)
Vanderboom House holiday special and then that image with the janitor
azure bay
they are different things though
one was a giveaway, the other was a roadmap for multiple projects
this time we kinda had both
rancid slate
If you consider the whole giveaway as a teaser, yes
rancid slate
I would expect atleast a recap of what happened in 2024
rancid slate
rancid slate
What the Rabbit
rancid slate
Bunny
azure bay
If that's what I'm thinking that could be the anniversary game like Samsara Room
vivid bridge
i'm gonna scream
rancid slate
Cube Escape Birthday 9th Birthday
Mr. Rabbit game finally
Dear Lake, please hear my prays 🙏
I will sacrifice my family
azure bay
that's not how it works
you should FIRST sacrifice your family and only then wonder if you did well enough
azure bay
If that's what I'm thinking that *could* be the anniversary game like Samsara Ro...
I see an opportunity to use it as an appreciation day of the series
some semi-canon setting that celebrates the past achievements
rancid slate
Hear me out
vivid bridge
remember when the UB demo came out and the player's hand looked like it was wearing a magicians glove
but then it turned out it was harvey
good times
like 2 years ago
rancid slate
👴
honest brook
Maybe it will be some kind of theatre play about the game series itself
rancid slate
The only thing I am paying attentioj is the color difference 😭
azure bay
Maybe it will be some kind of theatre play about the game series itself
that's what I'm thinking
I wonder if it will have a canon time period
rancid slate
You mean a year?
azure bay
you could say so but I was rather speaking of the era it could belong to
Mr. Rabbit is normally pre-Hotel
rancid slate
And Alchemy too
azure bay
yep
azure bay
Or Dale did resurrect them all and sent back in time to pay off their sins
rancid slate
Or its Mr. Rabbit after the original 1939 gun event
azure bay
/half-jk
azure bay
Or its Mr. Rabbit after the original 1939 gun event
somehow I doubt they'd show us that even if it were a thing
rancid slate
Real
lunar axle
That's Aldous'
lunar axle
The hat was passed down to Samuel
rancid slate
So the game protagonist is the hat
Confirmed
It actually wont be a playable game
Because you are a hat
You are just gonna watch the show
From Mr. Rabbit, Aldous and Samuel top perspectives
A VIDEOgame
lunar axle
Because you are a hat
In rusty Lake world, even a hat can be a playable character
azure bay
The hat was passed down to Samuel
NO! It was annihilated when he turned into Mr. Crow!
rancid slate
The hat was enlightened
All of clothes are enlightened if you drink the elixir
Unless you die
In this case, your clothes also die
Everything is alive in Rusty Lake
I finally solved naked William
azure bay
In this case, your clothes also die
no they enlighten either way, that's why William was naked
azure bay
of shame?
rancid slate
The only thing I am paying attentioj is the color difference 😭
The curtains are not the same as the ones in TWD 💥
(Color)
Its closer to the original
If this year's 7th august was on saturday it would be perfect
azure bay
Guys I remembered something
I was hoping it woud be about a game
but hopes weren't too high since, in my mind, it was more about Rabbit's murder spree and everything that culminated into it
azure bay
My day is ruined
go cry into the lake
rancid slate
The storm that Mr. Owl brings in The Mill is made of my tears
azure bay
Guys I remembered something
I wonder if the blue cube next to him means anything. The golden cube is in the elevator, as it should, but the rest are in more or less random locations
rancid slate
Maybe just referencing Birthday but with his noncorrupted form
azure bay
Maybe just referencing Birthday but with his noncorrupted form
Nah, I'm sure they've been planning this game out all along
noble plinth
do you think it's a hand of a specific character?
because it's pure white, not mr rabbit, because it does not match his suit, mr crow's gloves aren't white etc etc, as far as I can tell it's not anyone we know
honest brook
do you think it's a hand of a specific character?
It reminds me of Harvey's hand from Underground Blossom a little, although it's a bit different
rancid slate
because it's pure white, not mr rabbit, because it does not match his suit, mr c...
Mr. Rabbit uses white gloves
noble plinth
I know, but his sleeves are different
honest brook
It could be the new art style
noble plinth
maybe
rancid slate
Or an early/unfinished sprite
noble plinth
do you think it's a hand of a specific character?
it's a bit wacky 'evidence' but specifically looking at harvey's sprite change, texture on the suit us gone, but white sleeves showing from under the suit sleeves remain
it might just be a random hand, this is all speculation
azure bay
it might just be a random hand, this is all speculation
I find it unlikely
I had immidiatly 3 thoughts
- Theatre
- Mr. Rabbit with his hat
- Mr. Rabbit canonically working at the theatre
and he was even featured on the roadmap which has at least 1 more unreleased project
actually make it 2
MAMMOTH LIIIVES!
deft haven
Its blood
azure bay
Ellesian's
rancid slate
The curtains are slightly mirrored
azure bay
The curtains are slightly mirrored
WE'VE BEEN LIED TO!!!!
rancid slate
And bigger than the image shows
deft haven
The curtains are slightly mirrored
Probably they were lazy
deft haven
And bigger than the image shows
Ok, NOW THATS SOMETHING
rancid slate
The white in the hat is same as in the recent Aldous pic
deft haven
Jk
rancid slate
While the one in the glove is pure white
deft haven
The white in the hat is same as in the recent Aldous pic
How do you even find this
rancid slate
💉
Same for gray color in the hat, except for its darker tone
Aldous's is darker
Because it wasnt a layer of shadow, I believe
It was manually picked
rancid slate
Same for gray color in the hat, except for its darker tone
77
It drops to 65, but Aldous is 51 while the white in his hat has no shadow at all
floral veldt
the hand is drawn to fit the cap, it isn't from any old sprite (that I can remember at least)
azure bay
They wouldn't use the old sprite
floral veldt
also, the new style could use slightly new colors
azure bay
they completely abandoned all of them except for bird Harvey
floral veldt
lukewarm take: I don't like season's harvey
rancid slate
Hes cute
azure bay
I don't mind him but The Mill design is better
floral veldt
tots
but Bday harvey is better than UB
i just like the pose, the textures, it seems more alive
azure bay
The redesigns are mostly hit or miss
rancid slate
Probably they were lazy
This green dot in William
deft haven
This green dot in William
Elixir
floral veldt
☝️ 🤓 its a drop of the elixir actually!
deft haven
☝️ 🤓 its a drop of the elixir actually!
😭 bro predicted it
rancid slate
deft haven
Me? Nothing
floral veldt
"you" as 2nd person plural
deft haven
Damn
azure bay
floral veldt
it could be mr rabbit yeah makes sense!
the top hat is his, he wears white gloves, the whole stage curtains and magician is quite on character
but how could we link it to the AB's?
unless we're not getting a AB's game
honest brook
Maybe it’s a separate thing
azure bay
but how could we link it to the AB's?
I believe we're just getting another free game for the anniversary
rancid slate
"you" as 2nd person plural
Yous
azure bay
Like we had The White Door, CE Collection and Samsara Room all the same year
floral veldt
Maybe it’s a separate thing
well, I really believe that HOTEL2 is coming out in the day of the lake.
floral veldt
UB came out 463 days ago
a new game, a simpler one, could be done in time for releasing soon.
and we really need a Crow conclusion
before big event DOTL
rancid slate
Dont forget The Lab station
honest brook
I don’t think they could handle this many projects
azure bay
UB came out 463 days ago
I'd count UB The Lab as a separate small game
rancid slate
Im not if I said this here
But considering we have the whole house free
Its possible that one of the new games will use a system similar to The Lab Station
floral veldt
yeah, together with the AB's brother game, it could be done fore release soon. And it serves as built up for the big HOTEL2
rancid slate
Of movement
azure bay
I'm not sure how small "Alchemy" will be
I have a suspision it will be Rusty Lake Escape from the roadmap
rancid slate
Rusty Lake Escape is such a bad name
floral veldt
I wouldn't be sure on the free part
rancid slate
I hope they never use it
floral veldt
would HTL2 be a free game?
azure bay
would HTL2 be a free game?
nah
rancid slate
I would say no
azure bay
they said, they'll be cooking something grand
honest brook
would HTL2 be a free game?
Probably not, after all this buildup
floral veldt
then would AB's be a free one?
rancid slate
they said, they'll be cooking something grand
Bigger than any previous games
floral veldt
IG not, LABUT was a tots free game
azure bay
then would AB's be a free one?
I bet on the anniversary game which is likely the Rabbit one
floral veldt
IG not, LABUT was a tots free game
the most free game of all
floral veldt
yeah the tabletop one
rancid slate
RLU
azure bay
let's use RLU The Lab or RLUTL
floral veldt
TFTTRLGCRLUTL
||The Free Table Top Rusty Lake Game Called Rusty Lake Untoled: The Lab||
I have predictions for HTL2, you guys wanna do one for AB's?
azure bay
I have predictions for HTL2, you guys wanna do one for AB's?
Do I need to repeat myself from the video?
azure bay
ok
2 losers selling snake oil
and somehow succeeding
with no idea how and unable to repeat
so one of them will have to invent the dogshit extract
rancid slate
What if in the entire Theatre game, you never look around
The entire game is a show
Just one screen
floral veldt
and everything is presented to the player
rancid slate
Yes!
floral veldt
completely out of his power
impotent, the showmaster has all the cards
and another full deck in their sleeve
shrewd swallow
what area of the world does rusty lake take place in
is it britain or some other european esk part of the world?
or like russia - poland?
or is it like america in like seattle or washington like its inspiration twin peaks?
not really a theory just genuinely curious
visual coral
is it britain or some other european esk part of the world?
I'd say Britain or some fictional European country is our best bet
Leonard wears British WWI uniform and based on TWD ARG we know that Bob is most likely lives in New York and Hoorn's daughter takes a plane to get to Rusty Lake, so it's not in US
shrewd swallow
fictional european country? like france?
shrewd swallow
damn no wonder bob had such bad mental health
rancid slate
I wonder if there were any connection between Albert and Mammoth projects
rancid slate
I wonder if there were any connection between Albert and Mammoth projects
Oh, I forgot that SR basically gave birth to TPW
So probably not
I guess
vivid bridge
I wonder if there were any connection between Albert and Mammoth projects
what do you mean
azure bay
what do you mean
A cube with a peephole made in Unity
that was the original SR/TPW prototype
azure bay
k
rancid slate
what do you mean
Like something in common
vivid bridge
If we get the actual mammoth game and it doesn't feature Mr. Mammoth who looks like this, i'm gonna be disappointed
rancid slate
vivid bridge
when was the last time we saw the mammoth?
azure bay
april 1st 2024
vivid bridge
I suppose that counts
floral mauve
is this the peak of the theory channel
rancid slate
And the show has only just started
vivid bridge
that should have been the teaser
instead of a magician, it should have been his trunk holding the hat
azure bay
Personally I was always very eager to see Rabbit's story behind the scenes of Birthday.
I suppose, it's not that but I'm happy to see him nevertheless. Maybe Gaith is partially at fault too
vivid bridge
If whatever this teaser is for (if its for anything) is Birthday-Rabbit's backstory, i'm all in
but
idk
maybe? I just don't get the feeling that's what they're going for
rancid slate
It will show that Mr Rabbit is Dale from the future
vivid bridge
I mean, we know Birthday-Rabbit is David
azure bay
*maybe?* I just don't get the feeling that's what they're going for
neither am I but emotionally I've grown attached to the character himself
vivid bridge
yeah Gaith was pretty good
rancid slate
Whos Gaith?
rancid slate
Oh
vivid bridge
They left the community because the games hadn't been interesting for a while
Which, you know, true
:]
rancid slate
They so real for that
vivid bridge
That's the thing. When I hate on the modern schedule, I'm not talking out of my ass. A lot of people feel what i'm feeling
azure bay
They left the community because the games hadn't been interesting for a while
I've got a different impression. I remember them being just tired of drawing RL
vivid bridge
I think they specified that its because the games hadn't focused on what interested them
rancid slate
We got Albert major appearence in 3 games and we know more about him than Mr Rabbit/David in 4 games
What The Past Within development hell does to a man
vivid bridge
don't make me visualize what can never be real...
azure bay
People feel something similar about my timeline maps
visual coral
He looks like his name could be Mark
rancid slate
People feel something similar about my timeline maps
Why tho?
azure bay
they look official
azure bay
Dale told me
He told me that he lied to you and most importantly that he's our collective hallucination and he can't hurt us ||only with words||
vivid bridge
People feel something similar about my timeline maps
stop making them look so realistic
easy fix
azure bay
stop making them look so realistic
I can't :c
My inner perfectionist will starve me to death if I do
rancid slate
What are the chances of another Underground Blossom level type game but instead of trains and stations, each moment is presented on the Theatre stage again?
azure bay
I feel it's pretty high
vivid bridge
rancid slate
💥
azure bay
can't we go back to, like, cubes
we have cubes at home
cubes at home: *The Past Within*
rancid slate
The good thing about Albert living again
vivid bridge
at least past within makes sense
rancid slate
Is that there are chances of him dying again
vivid bridge
they're not a stupid time travelling lore-breaking TRAIN
vivid bridge
Is that there are chances of him dying again
he died off-screen
trampeled by a mammoth
floral mauve
peak
hot stirrup
Anyone notice how every time you tap on Harvey in each different memory in Seasons, he sounds different?
Also, why does everyone use he/him pronouns for Harvey despite how he's laid eggs before? Is Harvey a he/him lesbian?
vivid bridge
Also, why does everyone use he/him pronouns for Harvey despite how he's laid egg...
Yes
azure bay
Also, why does everyone use he/him pronouns for Harvey despite how he's laid egg...
Harvey is a male name and he was most likely a male demigod in his Hotel days.
After that he seemingly reincarnated as a bird. Either female or it lays eggs only for shock value
azure bay
exactly
vivid bridge
reincarnation transes your gender
azure bay
except when it doesn't 🤗
vivid bridge
I guess what do we count as reincarnation
I mean specifically post-death
Do we have any other examples?
azure bay
I mean if it works more or less like the original reincarnation in Buddhism, gender is a trait of the body, not the soul. Just a coin flip when you are incepted
I see no reason why the universe would force it
or maybe not
karma would probably play its role in a gender-inequality society
azure bay
at least a minor one. Being reborn in a lower caste would affect your life more severely
vivid bridge
reincarnating as a fr*nch person as karmic punishment 
azure bay
ouch
azure bay
at least a minor one. Being reborn in a lower caste would affect your life more ...
it's like. "Huh? You were an overworked doctor in your past life? Ok, you'll be a noble! Oh wait! You cursed! Ok then, a noble woman!"
vivid bridge
damn
shrewd swallow
is this official? if so wheres it from?
azure bay
NO! Forget it, it's just a joke!
shrewd swallow
ok?
azure bay
the guy knows his way around Photoshop
shrewd swallow
the phones off centre
rancid slate
Also, why does everyone use he/him pronouns for Harvey despite how he's laid egg...
Harvey has always been referred as he/him even since he was just a parrot too
rancid slate
the phones off centre
+Its just the Seasons sprite and there are no shadows for Mr. Mammoth and the telephone as there would be
hot stirrup
Harvey has always been referred as he/him even since he was just a parrot too
Wait where? I didn't see it in any of the games
I only played the free ones so far :( haven't bought the games yet
azure bay
Harvey has always been referred as he/him even since he was just a parrot too
I agree with NPC. I don't recall Harvey being referred to in 3rd person
rancid slate
Not in the games
shrewd swallow
it was when he appeared in super smash bros
rancid slate
I only know one time they used pronouns for him but its on the NG page so its very old
If they avoid using pronouns for Harvey, I guess Harvey's pronouns are Harvey/Harvey
azure bay
I only know one time they used pronouns for him but its on the NG page so its ve...
a link would be appreciated
azure bay
I think that would be a valid piece of evidence
let's check the synopsis on Google Play
honest brook
"Harvey needs to escape his box before he "
I searched for that, the sentence does appear in a few places
azure bay
I searched for that, the sentence does appear in a few places
how recent?
rancid slate
Harveys plush
rancid slate
Twitter
azure bay
https://x.com/rustylakecom/status/1793958395881357535?lang=ar
Harvey is supposed to be male in that form
azure bay
now we need to wait for a plush of his birb form 
rancid slate
"part human, part parrot and 100% plushie"
rancid slate
Not the product page
Oh, they used pronouns there too
"Harvey plush before he turns back into a parrot and flies away to do Mr Owl’s bidding!"
lunar axle
World
Or in the case of rusty lake, it means the reincarnation cycle of Buddhist philosophy
ruby ledge
ohh it might be hindi
ruby ledge
Or in the case of rusty lake, it means the reincarnation cycle of Buddhist philo...
oooooooo
makes sense !
honest brook
It says "Samsara"
ruby ledge
tho i put it on google translate and it translated to "wordly affairs" ?????
honest brook
tho i put it on google translate and it translated to "wordly affairs" ?????
It's a wheel of the six realms of existence from Buddhism, that the Rusty Lake series is based on
floral veldt
the asuras, or devas, are portrayed as the furries
while hell, or naraka is seen as the forest at the bottom of the lake
honest brook
And the “preta”, the hungry ghosts, are represented by the corrupted souls
Finally, there’s the animals and the humans
It was explained in Cube Escape: Theatre
ruby ledge
so
i might need to replay theatre
this is pretty confusing since i jus found out about samsara
also my mum is buddhist how did i not know bout it 😭
vivid bridge
yeah pretty much
the animal people are Asuras
the ? is deva. No character in the series has reached that state so we don't know what they look like
it's the end goal of the whole Dale/Laura plot
(some people might argue that devas look the same as asuras because there's a deer headed dale in paradox but I think that's simply a dale from a timeloop where he became an asura)
honest brook
But there's also the image of the deer on the Samsara wheel in Paradox which implies the Deva have animal heads
And the foreshadowing with Dale's deer head in The White Door
So personally, I agree with the "vanderDeer" theory
shrewd swallow
Im bored, tell me something crazy about the series
azure bay
The Past Within lite is a unique game with its own puzzles and looks like one of the preliminary experiments with the cubical device
azure bay
it is
shrewd swallow
nvm found it
azure bay
there's even a unique secret which feels more interesting than most TPW achievements
shrewd swallow
unfortunately i do not have anyone to play with rn
hey so in roots, james tears off a branch off of the proverbial family tree, could this mean nothing or does the strange rules according to the rusty lake world mean that he literally tore off a potential branch of his family and potentially erased an entire side of his family before they even got a chance to exist?
ebon aspen
Would say none of it matters since those guys never existed
But would love to see an alternate timeline if that meant real implications
honest brook
It probably doesn't mean anything, it also happens in Child's Play and The Well pt. 2
shrewd swallow
mm its interesting though
especially in a series with an element of time travel, im not saying we need 12 alberts to team up and create the albervengers, but strange
azure bay
time travel has many sides which qre differently represented in the series
I mean represented to a different degree
shrewd swallow
well lets list
azure bay
we have branching timelines, regression and possibly a classic single-timeline time travel
branching timelines are represented by cubes. Each cube initially contains a copy of the parent timeline which can be alterred by an external will
regression is represented by blue cubes
shrewd swallow
is that a timeline? or more of a simulation/recreation of that memories events
azure bay
TPW was more or less direct about it
The Past is a cube
The Future becomes a cube
they all work in the same way
you escape from both into the lake where all the cubes are presumably floating
people inside the cubes think and therefore they are
they have the same idea of normalcy and notice if something is weird
you can change the world inside a cube and stay to live your perfect life
but it's no illusion because with enough effort you can transport matter back to your original world
so yeah
timelines
shrewd swallow
ok
honest brook
But with blue cubes, it seems almost like you can overwrite an existing timeline
azure bay
I'd say more, you move within a single timeline staying inside your body. And you preserve your knowledge
hense regression
rancid slate
there's even a unique secret which feels more interesting than most TPW achievem...
Real
azure bay
and the mechanism of classic time travel is unclear. Maybe it's one of the other 2 with a twist. Maybe these other 2 are underexplored.
Either way, Harvey seems to have time travelled back in time but didn't take his past-self body. So we have 2 Harveys. One accompanying Laura, the other helping Owl.
azure bay
I think not, notes and dialogues are usually the story and the lore
shrewd swallow
im pretty sure mr crow uses some type of time travel with regression as he shows up alot at random points in roots although he is not physical and has knowledge of the future, like the kids futures and such
like he knows whats gonna happen
rancid slate
I think not, notes and dialogues are usually the story and the lore
Albert talking about the other player in TPW
honest brook
like he knows whats gonna happen
Probably because they had already planned it
rancid slate
Hold the cube at the same time
azure bay
Hold the cube at the same time <:AlbertYeshoney:1050761951384440862>
that's what you do to enter them
vivid bridge
characters like crow and owl just have knowledge of the future, whether that may be from them looking into lore-dubious cubes like in Hotel or just by looking at the game script 🤷♂️
shrewd swallow
Probably because they had already planned it
yeah but its to a point where he knows the intricate details of what small details need to happen when they happen to lead to the larger outcomes they need
rancid slate
that's what you do to enter them
So if Mr. Owl says "Use wasd and mouse to move around" you will count it as lore?
shrewd swallow
So if Mr. Owl says "Use wasd and mouse to move around" you will count it as lor...
yes
azure bay
yeah but its to a point where he knows the intricate details of what small detai...
it might be not a certain knowledge but a forecast. One of them is already miserable and hates the others. And the legacy is planned for
azure bay
So if Mr. Owl says "Use wasd and mouse to move around" you will count it as lor...
not to that extent but if it makes sense at face value I'd go with it
shrewd swallow
what about specific codes and hints
azure bay
other example, I'm very skeptic of Harvey and Dale actually knowing each other in 1939
azure bay
what about specific codes and hints
depends on the form
at least there's usually a storytelling core
vivid bridge
harvey should be dead in 1939 but at this point in the story the characters can just show up whenever they want so who knows
azure bay
harvey should be dead in 1939 *but* at this point in the story the characters ca...
you mean the asura or the parrot?
rancid slate
Im bored, tell me something crazy about the series
Cube Escape Paradox references every single previous game with the exception of a direct reference to Hotel
All Cube Escape are referenced in the 9 cubes mind puzzle
Roots is referenced with the jars and tv channels
Paradise is referenced with the books, Caroline, etc
azure bay
parrot can't write a letter to dale
personally I can imagine that
shrewd swallow
Cube Escape Paradox references every single previous game with the exception of...
interesting
vivid bridge
i'm not having the "is parrot harvey sentient" discussion with you again
shrewd swallow
hes as sentient as a parrot
vivid bridge
yes
azure bay
and yet he shows an exceptional intelligence for a bird
vivid bridge
yeah because gameplay
azure bay
and beyond
vivid bridge
and maybe he's smarter than the average bird
shrewd swallow
what does he really do that is out of character for animals throughout the series
azure bay
I believe Rose did give him a mission and he was smart enough to stick to it
vivid bridge
sure
shrewd swallow
theres also that regression stuff
azure bay
he understands human speech, he preserved his memories, I think writing becomes a technical challenge, not mental
shrewd swallow
that could be an explaination
vivid bridge
I don't think bird harvey is on the same cognizant level as a human/asura
azure bay
theres also that regression stuff
to be just, regression isn't used very often
rancid slate
He can change to Asura when he feels kike it but yall ate not ready for that conversation
vivid bridge
He can change to Asura when he feels kike it but yall ate not ready for that con...
at this point, I wouldn't be surprised
azure bay
He can change to Asura when he feels kike it but yall ate not ready for that con...
if that's the case, that's a bullshit retcon
shrewd swallow
well im just saying what if he becomes an asura much later then we think, loops around or uses regression via time travel
rancid slate
I don't think bird harvey is on the same cognizant level as a human/asura
Hotel Harvey does puzzles
HB Harvey does puzzles
azure bay
well im just saying what if he becomes an asura much later then we think, loops ...
let us 1st see that before doing any further mental gymnastics
shrewd swallow
let us 1st see that before doing any further mental gymnastics
excuse me im a gold medalist in mental gymnastics
rancid slate
Harvey, you had infinite Elixir this whole time?
ofc I had
why did you never told us?
you never asked about it
Roll credits
shrewd swallow
i doubt it would be infinite
rancid slate
if that's the case, that's a bullshit retcon
1891
rancid slate
Parrot Harvey
vivid bridge
nowhere what is your profile picture
rancid slate
It is him but irl
azure bay
nowhere what is your profile picture
my mascot flexing muscles
azure bay
Parrot Harvey
No, it's not 1891. Not the Harvey part.
We see at least the light beam that made him parrot in 1894 before his arrival.
At most, Emma writing a suicide letter after only a month of search and then doing nothing for 5 years is even bigger bullshit
azure bay
again
rancid slate
azure bay
not the Harvey part
The Search only starts in 1891
and features events across 5 years
rancid slate
And all the other levels are normal?
azure bay
And all the other levels are normal?
we don't know that, we have no reference
vivid bridge
I think the clear implication with The Search is that the moment you look at the hotel and it glows, thats when the birthday-flashback happens where Harvey dies
azure bay
I think the clear implication with The Search is that the moment you look at the...
very clear I'd say
and it's 1894
vivid bridge
yeah
azure bay
there shouldn't be any wait. She already gave up, said goodbye and sent the letter. Finito
rancid slate
Does she kill herself in 1896?
azure bay
yes
shrewd swallow
having now just replayed the search, if that event at the hotel was harvey getting attacked, he sure did recover quickly to recieve the letter for delivery
vivid bridge
he works fast
azure bay
having now just replayed the search, if that event at the hotel was harvey getti...
you mean it's supposed to take more time, as I say?
azure bay
in that case, it really has to take 2 more years because the letter is most sensical to send in 1896, right before the suicide
shrewd swallow
yeah but he recieves it on the same day
vivid bridge
I think sometimes the games take creative liberty with how time works to tell the story more efficiently
azure bay
yeah but he recieves it on the same day
don't trust your eyes, that's not the right series
shrewd swallow
unless that one part "the search" takes place over alot longer time span
honest brook
It must
azure bay
unless that one part "the search" takes place over alot longer time span
5 years, that's what I'm saying
shrewd swallow
yeah but that one part takes like 2 minutes to finish
rancid slate
we have a similar situation in The Mill
And Sorrow Cross
vivid bridge
I guess
shrewd swallow
im just saying its possible there can be 2 harveys at the same point in time
vivid bridge
but UB is, you know, UB
honest brook
im just saying its possible there can be 2 harveys at the same point in time
But the white beam of light suggests it's the same scene
azure bay
yeah but that one part takes like 2 minutes to finish
canonically starts in 1891, when Frank disappeared, acknowledges Harvey's death in 1894, and Emma dies in 1896.
It just can't all happen within 2 minutes
shrewd swallow
yeah but i mean we can either take at face value or make assumptions, theres no indication of time passing
rancid slate
Yeah
shrewd swallow
were either in the moment or over a time span
azure bay
yeah but i mean we can either take at face value or make assumptions, theres no ...
except for dates and references
rancid slate
Atleast there was a clock in the 1935 level
shrewd swallow
im just saying 2 harveys is plausable
azure bay
Atleast there was a clock in the 1935 level
and funny enough it didn't move time. Laura is consistently said to be born in the very same spring 1935
azure bay
im just saying 2 harveys is plausable
no, it's possible.
Plausibility requires at least some evidence
shrewd swallow
"The search" is my evidence
vivid bridge
I still don't see how the search is evidence for two harveys
rancid slate
Mr. Owl: Harvey 1, go left! Harvey 2, go right! And Mr. Crow.. you know what to do!
shrewd swallow
look on one side lets say it takes place over 3 years, no indication of time passing,
rancid slate
vivid bridge
When Jakob came to a set of two Harveys, he chose the one on his left
shrewd swallow
or in the moment, within the 2 minutes
there is evidence of the event at the hotel
and that harvey recieving the letter
rancid slate
Ask the devs
shrewd swallow
is there a tab for that
rancid slate
No 😔
azure bay
"The search" is my evidence
evidence implies that its observation makes one outcome more likely than the other
That's not the case here, Harvey's weird appearance may mean anything, and time travel isn't the most natural assumption (and with actual evidence like canon dates it's borderline impossible)
shrewd swallow
wheres the evidence that it takes place over more time then what is observed
rancid slate
Rusty Lake Roots but there are 34 levels:
The Search pt 1 (at day) 1891
The Search pt 2 (at night) 1894
honest brook
wheres the evidence that it takes place over more time then what is observed
Seeing the beam of light appear and Harvey as a parrot, which happened in 1894
rancid slate
vivid bridge
its similar to The Mill, which takes place at the same time as the first three chapters of Case 23, which is also a span of, like, a year
shrewd swallow
Rusty Lake Roots but there are 34 levels:
The Search pt 1 (at day) 1891
The Sea...
it doesnt change to night, the level finishes in the day
azure bay
wheres the evidence that it takes place over more time then what is observed
The dates, dude, the dates. And a bit of common sense but that's beyond the point.
The Search is declared to take place in 1891. The on-of-a-kind light beam that turned Harvey into a bird was in 1894.
That's already enough to seriously consider a time skip
honest brook
The dates, dude, the dates. And a bit of common sense but that's beyond the poin...
Do you mean, 1894?
azure bay
Do you mean, 1894?
thank you
vivid bridge
the game prioritizes telling a story over exact dates. The Search as a level symbolizes the entire search, which went on for years
shrewd swallow
well which is more likely that; that we have 2 dates that contridict each other, or the idea that a level takes 3 years
rancid slate
We know that she died in her house and having UB showing it in a metro station is not an evidence that she killed herself somewhere else
shrewd swallow
thats lake business though
azure bay
well which is more likely that; that we have 2 dates that contridict each other,...
that the level is stretched over years because these games are advised against being taken at face value
shrewd swallow
what happens in the lake is beyond anyone
vivid bridge
I would say The Search has 3 contradictory dates. 1891, the start of the search, 1894, the harvey incident and 1896, when she writes the letter (shortly before she kills herself)
rancid slate
what happens in the lake is beyond anyone
All protraits are cube shaped and you can look through them after finishing the level, like if they were cubes
And TPW just confirms that reality itself is made of cubes
vivid bridge
And TPW just confirms that reality itself is made of cubes
debatable
rancid slate
Or similar to it
rancid slate
I would say The Search has 3 contradictory dates. 1891, the start of the search,...
Dont forget that one of the Daily Herald includes a new that happened YEARS ago
From 1904 in 1914 I think
shrewd swallow
All protraits are cube shaped and you can look through them after finishing the ...
thats debatable as that could just be gameplay
shrewd swallow
is the settings menu now cannon?
azure bay
@shrewd swallow There are a lot of possible reasons not to take what we see at face value.
There are narrative reasons, gameplay reasons, technical reasons, symbolisms, unreliable narrators, bugs and plot holes and the developers simply having fun. It's just in the format DNA.
Paradox is a great example. The movie tells the same story as Ch1 but it's still different. Something is false or not entirely true. Or even both.
shrewd swallow
what im saying is in games theres ui that is made to continue your experiance and serve a function
rancid slate
So if Mr. Owl says "Use wasd and mouse to move around" you will count it as lor...
Thats what Im saying 🗣🗣
vivid bridge
I still don't see how The Search tells you that there are two harveys
unless we say that Harvey can't turn into a bird
which I guess we don't know
shrewd swallow
i just dont believe it takes place over the span of 3 years
rancid slate
I think saying that UB having Asura Harvey in a photo and Parrot Harvey in a drawing could be an evidence better than The Search
vivid bridge
but UB is the least reliable game for anything
rancid slate
All games arent reliable
shrewd swallow
well then maybe were misinterpereting the search on whether or not it even is the harvey incident
vivid bridge
at least the other games showcase real events. I don't think the thief exists
rancid slate
🥺
azure bay
well then maybe were misinterpereting the search on whether or not it even is th...
no, that's denying the reality
shrewd swallow
at least the other games showcase real events. I don't think the thief *exists*
god i hope not, i fear that man
shrewd swallow
no, that's denying the reality
how many times have we seen rays of light shoot up from the lake or nearby locations
rancid slate
Thief's voice actor is the same guy from the TPW gameplay trailer btw
vivid bridge
the light beam is Mr. Owl's power
rancid slate
And I think hes also Albert's voice actor
vivid bridge
we see it in The Mill
shrewd swallow
how many times have we seen rays of light shoot up from the lake or nearby locat...
for people who live nearby its practically tuesday
azure bay
how many times have we seen rays of light shoot up from the lake or nearby locat...
Oh if it was only a light beam!
the 1890s, the hotel, the light beam, the parrot. Too many parallels
you just can't deny them all
shrewd swallow
correlation doesnt always equal causation
vivid bridge
Jchesep, how would you explain The Mill? How it takes place at the same time as the first three chapters of Case 23 even though they're like a year apart
azure bay
correlation doesnt always equal causation
it's not statistics, it's the developers being generous with hints
we just don't see random light beams
that beats the storytelling
shrewd swallow
technically only 1/4th of case 23 takes place a year before
while yes over a year
vivid bridge
yeah but Laura appearing in The Mill takes place during that first chapter
while the rest of The Mill takes place during 2/3
so there is the same timeline overlap problem
azure bay
technically only 1/4th of case 23 takes place a year before
that means nothing. They may use whatever narrative tools the may deem fit for each individual case.
shrewd swallow
that means nothing. They may use whatever narrative tools the may deem fit for e...
thats such a cop out reason though, to not follow any logic means theres no point reasoning with anything
also the phone
the phone has shown ways of contacting people through time in someway
therfore theres a possibility that the mill could have taken place in the last 3/4 of case 23 and still happen at the same time
whos to say that laura transporting to the mill cant mean the same thing
vivid bridge
whats even the argument here. Are you arguing that there are literally two harveys? Or that the one in The Search is harvey who travelled back in time?
shrewd swallow
im saying theres 2 harveys from 2 different points in time at the same moment thats my arguement
vivid bridge
so you're saying any bird-harvey before 1894 is harvey from the future?
honest brook
I get the impression that the beam of light from 1894 is there specifically to tell us that Emma spent many years searching
azure bay
thats such a cop out reason though, to not follow any logic means theres no poin...
I'm not coping out. There's just too much evidence to ignore it.
And now, since you don't take evidence, let's move to the aforementioned common sense.
What's more plausible to you?
Emma searching for Frank for only 1 month of fall 1891 (because he was lost on Halloween, according to Steam profile backdrop), seeing some random light beam and time travelling Harvey (both with no evidence whatsoever), giving up on Frank, sending him a goodbye letter and do absolutly nothing for another 5 years before she finally follows her decision to die;
Or Emma searching for years, observing an established event and a character connected to it and send a goodbye letter right before killing herself?
rancid slate
Basically there are 4 types of people:
•Harvey is a timetraveller
•Harvey can change between forms
•There are 2 Harveys
•Harvey is Harvey
shrewd swallow
also where does it say she wrote the letter and stopped looking
rancid slate
I get the impression that the beam of light from 1894 is there specifically to t...
Yeah, Frank goes missing in Fall 1891 and the Search is also in Fall 1891 and she is already like "Ive been searching for so long 😭"
azure bay
also where does it say she wrote the letter and stopped looking
she literally wrote "find me in the stars". That's where parents say their kids people souls go after death.
that's literally what happened
she died and went to stars
there's no need to tell that if you hesitate
shrewd swallow
stars have never meant very much in the series
also whats the point of sending a letter if your dying the next day
your not gonna give him a minute to respond?
azure bay
dude
rancid slate
She lost her son
azure bay
and these are cheap excuses
shrewd swallow
whats cheap is taking this so deadly seriously
like is there no doubt in your mind in a series with time travel that 2 harveys cant exist
azure bay
I said that earlier today
rancid slate
We accept Mr Rabbit but not Harvey
rancid slate
Cuz Mr Rabbit literally appears with another Mr Rabbit
azure bay
and possibly other occasions
It's natural to assume that, considering what we see then
but here we have a lot of reasons to believe a different thing
rancid slate
Harvey does time travel in UB post game
Technically you still can go back and forth if you consider The Lab and BKM stations being possible before going to School Street
azure bay
and they synergize
shrewd swallow
Harvey does time travel in UB post game
thats lake stuff though, thats the easiest pull for time travel
rancid slate
thats lake stuff though, thats the easiest pull for time travel
When does Seasons take place?
azure bay
thats lake stuff though, thats the easiest pull for time travel
the lake or not, that's what we see without having a better alternative
for The Search it's different
we have evidence and the initial inclanation not to trust what we see
shrewd swallow
over multiple years, back and forth, but is that a memory in the lake or reality, is she actually regressing or traveling from memory to memory
honest brook
They're alternate timelines, they can all be interpreted as "reality"
azure bay
over multiple years, back and forth, but is that a memory in the lake or reality...
for me, it doesn't matter.
For 1, in my book, memories are timelines.
For 2, Mr. Owl takes all that seriously and I trust him knowing the rules better
shrewd swallow
look im gonna hold myself to my theory because i think its plausible, you have your own headcannon with different ideas on the logic and so do i.
im just gonna agree to disagree
rancid slate
Do you like my Dad Dog theory?
shrewd swallow
the wa
rancid slate
shrewd swallow
tell me
azure bay
im just gonna agree to disagree
is it all to justify Harvey time traveling specifically in The Search?
rancid slate
I will send in your dms
shrewd swallow
is it all to justify Harvey time traveling specifically in The Search?
to specifically in the search, no. to say he does it or is doing it at multiple points in the series, yes.
to where or when, i cannot point out and it excites me.
it adds depth to me
floral veldt
I will send in your dms
won't you share with the rest of the class?
rancid slate
For me, it would be just lazy to say that he timetravelled or that there are two or them
So thats I, personally, prefer to believe in Harvey being able to change forms even with all of the "Then why he didnt when he was in this X situation?" (Like HB and Mill)
rancid slate
won't you share with the rest of the class?
floral veldt
didn't Mr. Bat get in batlike form at the end of Hotel?
shrewd swallow
reincarnating in the past?
shrewd swallow
didn't Mr. Bat get in batlike form at the end of Hotel?
at some point yes
floral veldt
bats's arms are their wings, so for him to fly around, he would have to be able to change, unless he is just running super fast
same goes for crow at the end of Roots' secret level
rancid slate
didn't Mr. Bat get in batlike form at the end of Hotel?
Its kinda the same Sprite as in Hotel night 3 tho
shrewd swallow
yes
rancid slate
same goes for crow at the end of Roots' secret level
Unfun fact: The wings clip through his pants
shrewd swallow
perhaps he folds them in or something idk
floral veldt
Unfun fact: The wings clip through his pants
he can clip through my pants What about cave? where he can go back and fourth between human and crow form?
rancid slate
Real
floral veldt
wouldn't harvey be doing the same? orignal<->asura?
shrewd swallow
maybe it just stuffs into the back of his shirt and coat
rancid slate
And technically Case 23 Chapel too
floral veldt
And technically Case 23 Chapel too
that was just disturbing
shrewd swallow
we never really see him from behind
honest brook
~~he can clip through my pants~~ What about cave? where he can go back and fourt...
I thought that might be due to the Elixir having been extracted from the dog, thus making it a little unstable
rancid slate
But the canon timeline would be Mr. Crow staying as asura in Cave
floral veldt
I thought that might be due to the Elixir having been extracted from the dog, th...
what about owl? fair, we only see him for some seconds
floral veldt
But the canon timeline would be Mr. Crow staying as asura in Cave
as we see him in UB's secret
honest brook
what about owl? fair, we only see him for some seconds
The same thing happens to him as well, which is why I think that
floral veldt
I mean guys. It is kinda lame to compare harvey to humans. Harvey was animal since Paradise, the rules can be tots diferent, we cant know for sure
harvey is unique
shrewd swallow
definately
rancid slate
I think it was confirmed that Harvey was a human once, but Im not sure
shrewd swallow
timothy chalamet for harvey in live action
floral veldt
there is only one harvey human version I vibe with
shrewd swallow
now we gotta have the 1 hr+ discussion on why i believe harvey is secretly timothy chalamet
floral veldt
there is only one harvey human version I vibe with
I love whoever made this
floral veldt
||https://www.youtube.com/@mint9342|| their channel
rancid slate
Thief Harvey
shrewd swallow
stupid twink harvey
top a twink harvey
floral veldt
you guys were discussing time travel?
shrewd swallow
yes
floral veldt
something about seasons too?
shrewd swallow
specifically my 2 harveys theory
rancid slate
More about The Search in 1891
floral veldt
More about The Search in 1891
UB's extra challenge?
honest brook
Whether The Search spans across mutiple years or not
shrewd swallow
yeah
rancid slate
UB's extra challenge?
Roots Emma level
floral veldt
oh!
shrewd swallow
yeah apparently a time traveling harvey is pretty controversial
honest brook
Well in that particular scene at least
floral veldt
ok ummm the most obvious answer is that Harvey was a parrot (maybe Jakob's friend even?) he got enlightened, guest killing, guests came after him, he died/knocked out/deeply wounded/something else, Owl brought him back to life but as a normal parrot, he gets enlightened with the elixir from cave.
What are the things opposing this that we need to consider?
shrewd swallow
maybe the ray of light wasnt his death just his resurrection
floral veldt
yeah thats kinda obvious, Owl did the same with dale in the Mill
shrewd swallow
i would believe that more then him dying and going straight to delivering letters
rancid slate
Ressurection =requires death
rancid slate
yeah thats kinda obvious, Owl did the same with dale in the Mill
But he didnt died there
honest brook
maybe the ray of light wasnt his death just his resurrection
Well yes, the light appears after he dies, and he transforms into an alive parrot
shrewd swallow
im not doubting the death im doubting it happened in the same moment
floral veldt
in the same moment? I don't think the souls got harvey and owl brought him back immediatly
shrewd swallow
thats what i mean
honest brook
We see him flying away as a parrot after the beam of light appears in the Birthday secret scene
shrewd swallow
if it was death and then straight to delivering mail that would be ridiculous
floral veldt
I think the souls went after Harvey because he killed them, they got him, and went away do something else. Owl then found him, made sure the souls were gone and brought him back
shrewd swallow
look if we keep going on this train of thought its just gonna keep going
rancid slate
if it was death and then straight to delivering mail that would be ridiculous
Maybe he was attracted by the orange flowers
Just like in Paradise
floral veldt
"Ah! Consequences!"
shrewd swallow
Maybe he was attracted by the orange flowers
ok that was spooky, i was doing the painting puzzle with orange selected when you said that
floral veldt
Just like in Paradise
thats an amazing note! maybe it reminded him of caroline and jakob!
rancid slate
And then he just goes after food in 1930 lol
floral veldt
perhaps we should make a harvey time-line?
honest brook
Maybe he was attracted by the orange flowers
I hadn't thought of that, that'd be funny
floral veldt
top a twink harvey
yes please
shrewd swallow
hehehe
azure bay
to specifically in the search, no. to say he does it or is doing it at multiple ...
There are simply better cases for that and they are all independent.
Harvey may have time traveled in Seasons to deliver the flower, in Roots to deliver the letter, in Paradise and in Underground Blossom.
If we get a confirmation about any of these that will help but it won't automatically mean that all the others are the same.
They all have their own particularities.
Before I agree to disagree, let me summarize the particularities for The Search.
There's a fact: we see a light beam striking the hotel and then Harvey appears.
We are reviewing 2 hypotheses:
-
It a reference to what we've already seen
-
The beam is unrelated and Harvey time travels
Your defense is:
- Harvey can time travel
- And taking the chapter at face value
I already said about Harvey's travels and long story short, "could do" doesn't mean "did". And there's nothing else to make it any plausible on its own.
Now about taking The Search all at face value.
Rusty Lake is not to a series for that. These are artistic games that require gameplay, do some artistic statements and sometimes do have oversights. That's already enough to stay alert.
Then we take a closer look at the event itself:
We have not just a light beam and Harvey. We have a light beam striking the hotel into specific point, in the specific time period with a specific character appearing right afterwards. All that heavily corresponds the secret scene in Birthday.
Aside from us never having seen a random light beam we know nothing about, Rusty Lake are very notorious for self-references and interconnected narrative. And if we see 2 strikingly similar events we can safely assume they are the same.
It can't be a date error (they were fixed). Then it's a time skip.
As I said, we are generally on alert about taking games literally. That's the wrong series for that. And here we are speaking of a specific game that packs a long multigenerational story into just few hours. Even if other chapters don't do that, an exception for an important reference wouldn't be bad.
Beyond that, there's again common sense. In her letter Emma said, that she was going to die and go to stars. That's what she did. The letter didn't imply the answer and neither implied the wait. It just makes more sense for the story and her character to search for years and only then take decisive actions.
floral veldt
he did it!
shrewd swallow
he eventually did
rancid slate
- did you guys know
- that this is possible?
- I didnt
floral veldt
should I do harvey time-line? maybe it could help...?
shrewd swallow
i think we're past the conversation
floral veldt
the past in never dead...
azure bay
I wanted to respond in a funny way but I didn't find the response funny enough so sorry
rancid slate
You didnt know what to do
azure bay
I just want to say that I seemingly have more, better and more rational reasons to believe my way and some other long time theorists agree
unless you have more to support yours
shrewd swallow
im tired of the back and forth
floral veldt
crow is related to the vanderboom family. He could be overseeing what was happening and chatting with harvey maybe...
"c: bro...
h: don't laught!
c: I won't .... pft "
I want to see bird-crow now
in rl style ofc
rancid slate
should I do harvey time-line? maybe it could help...?
Paradise - Parrot Harvey appears
1893 - Harvey kills people
1894 - Harvey dies and goes Parrot mode
1930 - Harveys eats food
1935 - Harvey makes baby cry
*1939 - Harvey writes
1940 - Harvey gives candy
1950 - Harvey is laughed at
1960s - Harvey is pickpocketed. And he also goes to the Lab
1964 - Harvey in cage
*1964 - Free Harvey
1969 - Harvey box
*1971 - Harvey dies
1972 - Harvey poops in the Mill and goes somewhere
1984 - Harvey in the mirror
Paradox Future - Parrot Harvey with Laura
UB - Asura Harvey with Laura
rancid slate
I want to see bird-crow now
Hotel smoke scene
floral veldt
that doesn't count, you know it
floral veldt
... is crowl cannon? 👉 👈
rancid slate
Case 23 isnt canon btw guys, sorry to have never warned you about it
rancid slate
... is crowl cannon? 👉 👈
How do you think James was born?
shrewd swallow
crow and harvey seem like smoking buddies
floral veldt
Case 23 isnt canon btw guys, sorry to have never warned you about it
is it owl's murder detective fanfic?
floral veldt
crow and harvey seem like smoking buddies
wouldn't it be owl?
azure bay
im tired of the back and forth
I'd appreciate at least some general feedback.
Normally, I acknowledge plausibility of other theories when they have evidence either in quality or in quantity.
rancid slate
is it owl's murder detective fanfic?
Yeah
Hes like Ice King with Fiona and Cake
Its all in his head
floral veldt
Hes like Ice King with Fiona and Cake
THATS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS THINKING!
shrewd swallow
wouldn't it be owl?
smoking trio
azure bay
after all that
Did I summarize your evidence wrong?
rancid slate
Cant wait to see what theories the next games will bring
shrewd swallow
Did I summarize your evidence wrong?
move on, the end.
rancid slate
If there are gonna be more answers than questions
floral veldt
How do you think James was born?
owl wakes up after a long night, his hand stroking crow's head gently, "Good morning dea-WHY DO YOU HAVE A KNIFE?!"
azure bay
move on, the end.
Well, I wrote a big organized text as a token of respect. I think it's worth some reaction.
but ok, if you insist.
rancid slate
Nowhere, what do you think about Dad Dog?
floral veldt
Crazy hypothesis: The train is a device made by owl used to go back in time.
azure bay
Nowhere, what do you think about Dad Dog?
Sorry, didn't read it. I'm worried I'll see some crackpot I'm not ready for
rancid slate
azure bay
wow, that came out rude, didn't it?
shrewd swallow
Well, I wrote a big organized text as a token of respect. I think it's worth som...
it doesnt feel like respect, it feels like you spent alot of effort disagreeing and trying to shutdown someone you barely know's theory/headcannon, it doesnt feel like respect it feels like condescending frustration. all i wanted was to share my theory, and we could've just left it at we'll agree to disagree.
rancid slate
wow, that came out rude, didn't it?
I mean, the first thing I say in the post is that its all for fun + no evidences, so uuhh idk, no?
floral veldt
LOVED THE DDT!
aside from "THE DOG IS HIS DAD? (lmao)" It offers a good and rusty explanation for Bat and Toad
rancid slate
Dad Dog Theory reviews
"Best Dog theory" 9/10
-IGN
"It was pawsome" 5/5
-Pet Games Corp
"Thats not a theory, thats the truth" Dog/Dog
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rancid slate
aside from "THE DOG IS HIS DAD? (lmao)" It offers a good and rusty explanation f...
Ive brainstormed it from the Bingo I made
Also, as I replayed Hotel today
I noticed the memory extraction explanation in the paper
That I completely forgot existed
floral veldt
ms.pigeon was onto something
rancid slate
I thought the storm in Mrs Pigeon level was just for her death
floral veldt
what?
rancid slate
But it was like in The Mill, for Memory extraction
floral veldt
the electricity used was generated by a solenoid with a bug
rancid slate
There was a thunderstorm outside
vivid bridge
what was dog dad theory again? That james is a clone or something?
rancid slate
Articial James was part of it, yes
floral veldt
some back to the future type thing
benjamin franklin ah experiment
rancid slate
The paper in her room implies Young Bird would die with the memory extaction 😭😭
vivid bridge
I feel like if the dog was an asura already, he wouldn't work as an elixir-pair with james
rancid slate
Not an asura
A failed Elixir
That turned someone into a normal dog
Since the Elixir seems to have had early stages of tests, they probably didnt resulted in "immortality"
Or if they did, it was flawed/worse than the final product
vivid bridge
I feel like you're missing some evidence
same with James
for all we know, there is a third brother off-screen. Happens in media all the time
azure bay
it doesnt feel like respect, it feels like you spent alot of effort disagreeing ...
Sorry if you felt that way.
You see, I'm actually collecting theories. And I like them based even if they contradict each other, I do let them agree to disagree. The more based they are the more likely they are to be eventually confirmed. The more theories in my collection are likely to be confirmed, the more likely I am to end up right.
But there are simply too many possibilities with only a handful of time, we have to test them. Know where they come from and what assumptions they require. That's what discussions are for.
Yes, they do damage theories. But only good ones, those who better describe the reality, they patch themselves and evolve. Others die and that's actually a good thing. They liberate our minds for better ones.
It's sad that people become attached to their theories. But it's not my case. I believe what I believe because I have reasons to. And if I'm eventually proven wrong, if I see Harvey time traveling to Emma or at least a light beam out of nowhere, I'll be the 1st to reconsider.
floral veldt
benjamin franklin ah experiment
rancid slate
I dont think so
shrewd swallow
🙂
azure bay
I dont think so
accepted the challenge?
rancid slate
I am as tired as Mary
rancid slate
for all we know, there is a third brother off-screen. Happens in media all the t...
Wheres the evidence?
One line?
vivid bridge
just because we don't see James' dad doesn't mean he doesn't exist
floral veldt
bruh, it's owl duh
floral mauve
James dad is either crow or third brother
floral veldt
SP said it, and she is the one who decided canon
shrewd swallow
james is jesus
floral mauve
James dad is either crow or third brother
I like the idea of crow more
shrewd swallow
or his parents are flowers idk
floral mauve
But I am not denying third brother
rancid slate
Thats what the theory is about
The theory was made to show the possibility of the 3rd Vanderboom Brother not existing
floral mauve
Either way we don’t have much evidence regarding on this topic as I recall
shrewd swallow
rusty lake roots but shadow the hedgehog is also there
rancid slate
Roots is already the RL best game
With Shadow, it becomes the best game of existence
shrewd swallow
also he has a gun, so he can change a whole lot
although he wouldnt want anything to do with the actual events of the game
he might go fishing
rancid slate
Rusty Lake Roots, but you can keep the tree growing with Laura
shrewd swallow
tomagatchi but its laura, feed her, walk her, traumatise her
rancid slate
Rusty Lake Roots, but you can let everyone live
Rusty Lake Roots but Aldous dies and William is enlightened
shrewd swallow
rusty lake roots but albert is played by a photorealistic seth rogen
as like a still sprite
honestly looking at him he might make a good live action albert
not him in this pic but this would be the sprite
its like 5am in the morning so im making wacko jokes at this point
floral veldt
What would william's asura form be?
rancid slate
rancid slate
What would william's asura form be?
floral veldt
Omg yes
floral veldt
He is a shrimp-maid ♥️
shrewd swallow
or a fish
floral veldt
Neither does Mr. Deer
shrewd swallow
possibly theres a fish and shrimp person out there
floral veldt
Mr owl in paradox CH2 counts, no?
rancid slate
Maybe that was not asura fish Jakob but animal fish Jakob
floral veldt
Animal head + human body = furry