initially there's nothing indicating that The Future isn't the reality
#🤔｜theories
azure bay
vivid bridge
I don't see how Rose being kidnapped for real and the other things listed correlate with nowhere's theory that every reality is a cube
vivid bridge
Not that every reality is a cube
but thats what he says
rancid slate
🐈🐈
azure bay
I don't see how Rose being kidnapped for real and the other things listed correl...
Albert needed results, that's for sure. And for himself at that, not some fake memory copy of his
rancid slate
Can we stop sayin that she was kidnapped? She knew she would have to go 😔
azure bay
Can we stop sayin that she was kidnapped? She knew she would have to go 😔
ok, I guess
rancid slate
Yaay
azure bay
took Rose
vivid bridge
I mean, that depends on how you view any actions in a pre-determined universe with people who can read the script
if I know i'm gonna eat an apple and then do so, was I being forced to do so by fate?
or was it my own choice?
azure bay
I don't get the point
rancid slate
I think theres no actual fate in Rusty Lake
vivid bridge
if it wasn't for Rose miraculously knowing that Laura needs a magic tree mom later, she probably wouldn't have gone with Albert
rancid slate
If Dale, the chosen one, can sacrifice himself to save Laura, then you can go against the script
vivid bridge
in fact, her going with Albert is what causes the laura problem to happen in the first place
azure bay
in fact, her going with Albert is what causes the laura problem to happen in the...
I see it more like "some suffering now in exchange for ultimate happiness later"
rancid slate
Can we have TPW 2 to explain how did she know about the Tree
azure bay
Can we have TPW 2 to explain how did she know about the Tree
I think Albert had that idea
azure bay
he's the genius here
vivid bridge
true
rancid slate
It was Harvey
vivid bridge
he can just kinda do whatever the plot needs him to do
alpine hollow
i finished the video what did i miss
alpine hollow
he's the genius here
he's build different
azure bay
he can just kinda do whatever the plot needs him to do
I guess. If I were to rationalize it, he probably researched it on top of William's journals
or maybe the birb soul helped him
rancid slate
Frien mentioned
vivid bridge
sure whatever
I still don't get how that stuff correlates with the main reality being a cube thing
specifically the things you listed
azure bay
I still don't get how that stuff correlates with the main reality being a cube t...
Real Albert kidnapped real Rose to get real results. TPW has to be real for that.
rancid slate
It becomes a cube when it becomes a cube
vivid bridge
no
rancid slate
But at the same time, it has always been a cube
vivid bridge
Real Rose resurrected Real Albert, who then took her and extracted that memory, in which [Memory Rose resurrects Memory Albert and does the tpw stuff]
azure bay
Real Rose resurrected Real Albert, who then took her and extracted that memory, ...
Albert was resurrected inside a cube and it wouldn't be possible otherwise.
vivid bridge
by resurrected i meant, like, corruption resurrected
coin on eyes
we see that during the lab dlc when the memory is extracted
that stuff happened for reals
azure bay
by resurrected i meant, like, corruption resurrected
no, I mean constructing the body inside the resurrection tank
vivid bridge
that stuff happens only in the memory-fied future cube
alpine hollow
coin on eyes
now that you mention, @azure bay you showed on the video that this method only worked on albert, why?
azure bay
that stuff happens only in the memory-fied future cube
- memory-fying is bullshit
- that would be no use for real Albert
vivid bridge
by memory-fying I meant the "putting the future room inside the golden cube" no matter how you think it happened
rancid slate
Imagine that every time something happens, a cube is stored somewhere
It doesnt mean people can access it
If this event is extracted, then the cube becomes physical
Or it can also appear if something happens (Like in Case 23 with Bobl
When you access a cube, you dont timetravel, you just enter a reality of that moment (Like in Birthday) while in your "reality", things stay the same
What TPW mostly shows is that you can bring and give things through the cubes and use it for your own benefits
rancid slate
now that you mention, <@351360215268196373> you showed on the video that this me...
Cuz it looks cool
rancid slate
People get corrupted for many reasons, including Death
Everything is either a % or you only corrupt if you dont like it or something
Theres no reason to say the coin thing is bad while Bob getting corrupted for being sad is ok
azure bay
by memory-fying I meant the "putting the future room inside the golden cube" no ...
ok, I see.
Here's my reasoning. Albert needed real results, so the golden cube didn't make The Future less real. It didn't make a copy because that would beat the purpose, it didn't tear The Future from the reality because it's unheard of. So we have a cube with "the reality".
Now why I think it was always a cube. It works just like any other cube plus both The Future and The Past always existed in The Lake letting Roses escape there.
alpine hollow
just ask albert he knows better than us
floral veldt
If Dale, the chosen one, can sacrifice himself to save Laura, then you can go ag...
ok but like... how does the lake even choose?
rancid slate
It selects a random person /j
vivid bridge
that damn golden cube
alpine hollow
ok but like... how does the lake even choose?
the will of the lake
vivid bridge
I wish they explained how they put the future lab into the golden cube
like, even if the main reality is a cube already, that doesn't explain how it works in tpw
I don't think that changes much
azure bay
I wish they explained how they put the future lab into the golden cube
I see the cubes having a dual nature. Yes, they work like containers but they also work like portals
rancid slate
ok but like... how does the lake even choose?
We dont have enough clues
The Eilander Family seems to have chosen Jakob
While Mr. Owl chose Dale probably just because of Hotel cube
floral veldt
I wish they explained how they put the future lab into the golden cube
I just say that reality is an illusion created by how one perceives it therefore its subjective to what you know and remember - cube. (don't ask, just cube)
floral veldt
We dont have enough clues
The Eilander Family seems to have chosen Jakob
While ...
wasn't it the lake's will? - someone here along time ago
azure bay
I see the cubes having a dual nature. Yes, they work like containers but they al...
or maybe they are portals that let you exert physical force making them look like containers
vivid bridge
I see the cubes having a dual nature. Yes, they work like containers but they al...
but in the case of tpw, they are physical rooms inside those cubes. There is nothing outside the Golden The Future. The only thing outside of it is The Past, and then The Future, and then The Past, etc for all eternity. No matter if the main reality is a cube or not, the process of golden cube-ifying the future lab somehow isolates it
alpine hollow
for today its enought theories, my head cant work anymore, have a good night everyone :D
rancid slate
I wish they explained how they put the future lab into the golden cube
I think it works just like Birrhday cube
It starts black, but later changes to white
1984 couldve been black or white, but then with the events of TPW it become Golden cuz it looks cool
vivid bridge
my issue is what I described up there with the cubes being inside each other. There is no "outside" of their respective rooms. There is no outside world, so it can't be the main reality (cube or not)
floral veldt
I think it works just like Birrhday cube
It starts black, but later changes to ...
its almost as if dale had cured his trauma by changing his memory... almost like a mental health treatment... hmmm I should call mr. owl
floral veldt
my issue is what I described up there with the cubes being inside each other. Th...
outside the cubes there is just the lake
vivid bridge
outside the cubes there is just the lake
only if you break the loop in TPW's case
rancid slate
my issue is what I described up there with the cubes being inside each other. Th...
Birthday has a Blue cube inside it
And each Seasons cube also has a Cube inside it
vivid bridge
thats different
azure bay
but in the case of tpw, they are physical rooms inside those cubes. There is not...
I think there is. I think there always is. The Lab in TPW is just a general representation of different rooms in the actual lab. So is the room in The Past.
Not by canon but by gameplay.
in RLU you see a single room inside the cube. But the players are free to leave
rancid slate
Cubes are inside cubes because each memory can have cubes inside it
floral veldt
only if you break the loop in TPW's case
yes, you live reality through your perception of it. you just jump between cubes
rancid slate
The reality is not a cube, but constructed by many cubes that are all events that happen
floral veldt
Cubes are inside cubes because each memory can have cubes inside it
because when you think you exist. you think therefore you are (RENE DECARTES?!) just like past rose - she could think and rationalize all on her own
vivid bridge
in RLU you see a single room inside the cube. But the players are free to leave
I don't know if I agree with that. The fact that its a perfect loop implies to me that the whole building is inside that dang cube
azure bay
yes, you live reality through your perception of it. you just jump between cubes
I think it's not that either. There was a cube with no walls whatsoever. Just the borderless forest
azure bay
I don't know if I agree with that. The fact that its a perfect loop implies to m...
technically just the bedroom
rancid slate
I don't know if I agree with that. The fact that its a perfect loop implies to m...
The cube contains what happened in the moment
vivid bridge
so what, the door just leads back into the real world?
azure bay
so what, the door just leads back into the real world?
it's a world with a cube focusing on a single room
floral veldt
The reality is not a cube, but constructed by many cubes that are all events tha...
didn't intend to say that reality is a cube, reality is the lake, you perceive your reality by jumping between cubes and your memories. That's why the lake is so powerfull
floral veldt
Theres no real world
just lake. 
vivid bridge
it's a world with a cube focusing on a single room
we've never seen a cube that just... has a door to the outside. The closest thing is the cubes inside the cubical devices but, you know, they're a bit smaller
rancid slate
The reality is made of many cubes
And cubes have their own realities
floral veldt
because, let's say it once again, - you think therefore you are.
and I find it really beautiful
azure bay
we've never seen a cube that just... has a door to the outside. The closest thin...
we already have a cube with no walls. With the forest, with the lakeside landscape above it
rancid slate
we've never seen a cube that just... has a door to the outside. The closest thin...
What do you mean by "outside"? Another reality?
floral veldt
we've never seen a cube that just... has a door to the outside. The closest thin...
does the paradox room count?
vivid bridge
does the paradox room count?
no since thats a simulation so it has different rules
floral veldt
what about Bday?
azure bay
no since thats a simulation so it has different rules
not necessarily by the way. But for the simplicity's sake let's leave it alone
floral veldt
was the snowy outside still inside the cube?
vivid bridge
What do you mean by "outside"? Another reality?
like this
just
you leave the cube and are back in the "real" world
rancid slate
Thats called waking up
vivid bridge
no I mean
rancid slate
Ending the game
azure bay
you leave the cube and are back in the "real" world
not exactly
rancid slate
Mmmmmm
vivid bridge
this conversation is all over the place
azure bay
the tree in Birthday wasn't "real" by your definition
floral veldt
alright guys, I don't want to be bothering you anymore, but can I get some feedback on my interpretation?
azure bay
Dale wasn't at the bottom, he was in the middle down the lake
there's no way there was that tree standing
vivid bridge
I think the lake is just kinda space fucky like that
I do think it was the actual lake
azure bay
I do think it was the actual lake
I think it was a perception trick
vivid bridge
maybe its just a thing the developers thought looked cool
but I do believe the tree area in birthday is the lake
you exit the cube and arrive in the lake
rancid slate
physically exiting the cube
We never saw it, but we know that it just happens by waking up and moving on, probably
azure bay
cube travel is about a mind changing bodies
vivid bridge
yeah, you don't physically go into the cube, you're just kinda in a trance
rancid slate
alright guys, I don't want to be bothering you anymore, but can I get some feedb...
Where is it, tho?
azure bay
yeah, you don't physically go into the cube, you're just kinda in a trance
So Dale was in the middle of leaving his younger body in the snow and next to a tree and entering his actual body inside the elevator and next to the cube
floral veldt
Where is it, tho?
I've been trying to share it, sorry... Would you want me to try resuming it?
vivid bridge
So Dale was in the middle of leaving his younger body in the snow and next to a ...
yeah, something like that
some weird perspective fuckery going on inside the lake. Ultimately the devs just thought it was a cool transition
azure bay
yeah, something like that
and something like that was in Theatre. The only differene is, Dale didn't leave the supposed boundaries of the cube
so did he really in Birthday?
rancid slate
but I do believe the tree area in birthday is the lake
Birthday ending to me just shows that Dale never moved or walked in real life. He just stood there until the ending, where he starts seeing the "reality" again and the cube fading away, while the elevator keeps rising
All his movements, all the gameplay was pure mental from outside perspective
vivid bridge
yes
rancid slate
So you dont exactly see the "exit"
vivid bridge
thats how cubes are
the exit is always a smooth transition
you never wake up like from a dream
rancid slate
Yeah
azure bay
how old do you think Laura is in School St.?
rancid slate
I've been trying to share it, sorry... Would you want me to try resuming it?
If youd like to
rancid slate
how old do you think Laura is in School St.?
Probably 1950, so like 15
azure bay
thank you
rancid slate
Is there any dutch school uniform that changes between ages?
vivid bridge
I don't think they live in the netherlands
Bob is from new york, so thats probably where she is, too
rancid slate
I almost thought I didnt typed "green" 💀
rancid slate
Bob is from new york, so thats probably where she is, too
Yeah, I know
I dont think they took any inpiration for the uniforms too
And all of them are very similar
Doesnt really help searching for 1950 school uniform
floral veldt
If youd like to
So... We see how cubes represent memories, we can enter and change them. Memories are the way by which we can live reality. If we don't remember, we are only living in the present. but the present is just the thin line that divides the past from the future. The past is never dead, It's not even past.
When we see Past Rose interact with her room, we can see how she not only is aware of her surroundings but also can interact with the new changes FR imposes on the room. Later she exchanged minds with future rose through the golden cube. But how so? We see Dale entering the Birthday Cube, and his mind (or better said, conscience) gets transported to lil' Dale, which allows him to find the necessary materials to use Mr. Owl's gift. But, as PR exchanges mind with FR, so does FR do with PR, this must mean that PR has a mind of her own - she thinks, therefore she exists.
We can see then how she exits the cubes and proceeds to blossom at the lake. If everyone is living at a certain time, and every time is part of a future which can be described by a golden cube, then all times exist within cubes, all minds are trapped in those 4 walls and, by remembering, they travel between them. What exists outside cubes, and by extension our perception of reality, is the lake. This is why it is so important to control it.
This is probably all wrong tho, I might have missed a lot of things
rancid slate
Each station can even match decade by decade
Crib - 30s
Child - 40s
School - 50s
Bird - 60s
Sorrow - 70s mostly
Soul - 80s (1981..?)
Lake - Timeless or 90s /j
BKM - 2000s
vivid bridge
So... We see how cubes represent memories, we can enter and change them. Memorie...
I think the Past room (and by association Past Rose) are only "active" because of the cubical device
floral veldt
I think the Past room (and by association Past Rose) are only "active" because o...
yeah, because we are remembering them, bringing past to life! The cubical device acts as a mind to remember the cube, while FR cannot, since she is busy with other things
vivid bridge
Sorry, what's your point again?
floral veldt
humm, reality is an illusion of the senses. its all cubes, and humm, only the lake trully exists
rancid slate
So... We see how cubes represent memories, we can enter and change them. Memorie...
Thats actually pretty sick
vivid bridge
what do you mean by "Memories are the way by which we can live reality"
rancid slate
I forgot about the "exchange of minds" thing that actually makes the ending of TPW make a little more sense to me
floral veldt
what do you mean by "Memories are the way by which we can live reality"
well, I believe you cannot live without remembering your actions. otherwise, you are like a wild animal, just reacting to your senses. It's by remembering what you experience and acknowledging that you build your sense of the world
rancid slate
Being part of the Lake as a tree could be a way of saying "I 100% my life"
Enlightened
floral veldt
well, I believe you cannot live without remembering your actions. otherwise, you...
its by remembering that you solidify what you know, otherwise reality becomes ephemeral and liquid, nothing holds shape, everything can be true and false
floral veldt
Enlightened
THIS GOES EVEN HARDER BECAUSE TREES ARE ANCHORED TO THE BOTTOM OF THE LAKE. THEY ARE GROUNDED IN REALITY! You're a genius!
seriously this is so cool, TRT's video on the past within made me realize all of this
when he said "she thinks there fore she exists" everything just 💥
rancid slate
Mammoth Theory:
Back in the day, the knowledges about the Lake were very common and it had a whole culture, where people could easily be enlightened and become trees. The tall trees that we see are from very old cavemen. But the culture was lost in time and now people have to do all these weird ritual, sacrifices and researches to even manage to become a tree
vivid bridge
that would be cool
I wish we could get awesome world building like that but I don't think thats the direction the devs want to take the franchise in
rancid slate
🦣
floral veldt
my friends, what should we call our lake soup theory?
rancid slate
Soup Escape
floral veldt
nah, Mammoth Theory goes so hard, we need to come up with something as cool
rancid slate
Lake's legacy
floral veldt
what about... Cartesian Theory?
floral veldt
Hail plague
hail plague 
floral veldt
It reappers in Paradise
where? I played it dozens but dont recall it
rancid slate
When you break the building of the Well
Some rocks on the grounds
This rock has more appearences than Young Bird 😭
floral veldt
oh! could it be that owl threw everything away into the lake to reform the island?
floral veldt
This rock has more appearences than Young Bird 😭
don't diss young bird like that :(
rancid slate
Its kinda far from the island tho
floral veldt
strong boy
also
i don't know if you want to but
can we discuss how the hell Harvey got to be a furry?
rancid slate
First time I played Paradise, I thought that Harvey and some random animals from the Eilander island became enlightened with everyone
rancid slate
Then he seems to die in 1894 and become a parrot again
Now, if his asura appearences on UB and TPW are legit, thats another story
I remember something about Harvey being ancient
So its also possible that hes like "Mammoth old"
His species is african, where the humanity started
Bro is all years old
floral veldt
he does seem to get the old "owl t-pose special"
rancid slate
I think thats Mr. Owl
floral veldt
His species is african, where the humanity started
this is actually very poetic
rancid slate
Harvey is gonna be like Transformers: The Last Knight
Where its revealed that they have been with humanity in all historic events
floral veldt
Harvey is gonna be like Transformers: The Last Knight
after crowl kicks the bucket, he will own the hotel
floral veldt
Where its revealed that they have been with humanity in all historic events
let me guess - teaching humanity fire, and how to kill each other with it - teaching how to build the pyramids and how to crush people like ants - how to ascend to nobility and how to behead Marie Antoniette - Most prestige University Professor and father of the Atomic Bomb - and so on
rancid slate
He was also at the moon landing
floral veldt
and the reason we only know about Neil Armstrong, Buzz Aldrin, and the third guy was him
rancid slate
And Mr. Crow is getting all jobs
rancid slate
can we discuss how the hell Harvey got to be a furry?
One of my crazy theories is that Harvey and the Roots CS were friends
And both drank the Elixir
Harvey got enlightened and the other became the Roots CS
floral veldt
could the corrputed soul be harvey's owner?
and he tested the elixir on his pet like how Ja-something did on his doggo
rancid slate
Mmmm
Actually
This CS is also an asura
So it was already enlightened
Just like the corrupted guests
floral veldt
This CS is also an asura
really? I recall seeing him without a beak
floral veldt
harvey was seen all the way back in paradise so william is not an option
rancid slate
The Roots CS also has the "skirt"
I dont remember male CSs with it
If its supposed to be a skirt, maybe its a female
I just had the idea of it being Mrs. Pheasant
And thats why it had masks
But it appears before Hotel happens
So no
Gotta be the most mysterious character in Rusty Lake
Just for being corrupted
bright rose
Guys I was watching Alan Becker (animation vs fisics) and ive seen a thing there
There's a part that [warning:spoilers] ||he goes to a black hole and goes to the Singularity and there it has no time because it's on the middle of the time space and for some reason it totally reminded me the forest of the lake and probably theres something about singularity there, rusty lake... If it is I hate you & I love you rusty lake because I HATE PHYSICS BUT I LOVE HOW COOL IS IT💀😭||
||also I know that there's different types of singularitys tho||
ruby ledge
Guys I was watching Alan Becker (animation vs fisics) and ive seen a thing there...
i just finished tpw and i think that makes sense !
"time doesn't exist in the lake" or something
azure bay
guys, be careful with the sources. Yes, we know that there's no time in the lake. Maybe there's no time in singularities (although it's not exactly the idea I've got from that animation). But the devs are not guaranteed to know that and if they happen to they are not guaranteed to use it in their art
ruby ledge
tbh idk what a singularity is i know very little about physics
bright rose
Well to me the animation in my opinion has even the design of the place reminded the forest (or inside the lake in the "beta" version/the ending scene from CB seasons)
azure bay
tbh idk what a singularity is i know very little about physics
a very small, very heavy, very condensed piece of matter. So heavy that even light can't escape its gravitational field.
Basically a core of black joles
that's why they are black
no light escapes
bright rose
I just know that there's other types of singularityes principally the AI one (imagine that you make an ai create a more powerful ai and that other ai makes the same thing until it becomes a God and the ai have a bunch of choices like destroy the human race because it's inferior, still be in that paradox or just rest)
Also I'm seeing tpw in my tv lol
THE GOLDEN #?"? ;1) 😭
honest brook
I just know that there's other types of singularityes principally the AI one (im...
I think that term might actually be based off the singularities in black holes, it's like a point of no return. I don't really know much about that though
bright rose
Yeah
It's because that type of singularity is in the center of time
There's the present, past, future and more (like TPW/paradox)
ruby ledge
a very small, very heavy, very condensed piece of matter. So heavy that even lig...
so its a black hore
hole
🤨
azure bay
basically
floral veldt
Oh, you're watching Celbit play...
floral veldt
So... We see how cubes represent memories, we can enter and change them. Memorie...
@honest brook I think this is how rabbit shows up in hotel twice. And also, I beleive that he was the one who helped the other corrupted souls escape
azure bay
So... We see how cubes represent memories, we can enter and change them. Memorie...
you are wrong that Dale being a memory traveller was the thing that changed birthday
it's obvious how he had no knowledge of what was coming next
as if he became his past-self forgetting the future
honest brook
I get the impression his mind became that of the past as well.
azure bay
the crucial changes were introduced by Mr. Owl
without his present there wouldn't be a blue cube and Dale wouldn't be able to turn time back
@floral veldt speaking of minds trapped inside the cubes etc.
The Past and The Future are different timelines
It's technically not PRose's future inside the golden cube just like it's technically not FRose's past inside the black one
Rose can change the cube's contents but it doesn't mean she changes her own reality
For example, Laura didn't cancel her death in her home reality. She still died, Case 23 and all the follows happened
Mr. Owl's plan was still in motion
and so Rose's escape from The Past didn't wipe her future-self and Laura from existence
honest brook
The way I see it, anything that happens in a cube is basically an alternate timeline
azure bay
the way we see it*
honest brook
So Mr. Rabbit's corrupted soul couldn't have used a cube in Hotel, because that would have created a timeline separate from the one Harvey is within in the game. Yet Harvey sees Mr. Rabbit's corrupted soul.
And besides, he would have become his past self if he were in a cube, so he wouldn't appear as a corrupted soul at all. And even if he did, there wouldn't be two of him. Just like how we don't see two Dales in Birthday or Theatre.
floral veldt
But dale wasn't a corrupted soul when he used the cube
honest brook
But dale wasn't a corrupted soul when he used the cube
But he was an adult, yet he appears to become a 9-year-old when he goes into the 1939 cube. I'd assume that corruption works the same way. And even if not, at the very least we wouldn't see two of them at the same time.
And like I said, Harvey shouldn't be able to see him at all if he used a cube. If he went into a cube, he would've entered a different timeline, where an alternate (yet equally real) Harvey would've seen him instead.
azure bay
And like I said, Harvey shouldn't be able to see him at all if he used a cube. I...
To be fair, it's still possible that the timeline we observed in Hotel was that different timeline inside a cube
like there's the cactus planted by travelling Laura both in Case 23 and The Mill
honest brook
Yes, that's possible
azure bay
that's just ridiculous
vivid bridge
okay
azure bay
I mean there are compelling cases with even less resemblance
azure bay
ah yes, my bad. Also completely unrelated but do you remember how Dale suddenly disappeared from the story for several games and case 23 was taken over by that sus beardless stranger Owl was so much interested in?
vivid bridge
that's his twin brother, Bale
vivid bridge
tsk tsk tsk nowhere not paying attention to the story like always
azure bay
I'll try better, I promise
vivid bridge
I forgive you
rancid slate
ah yes, my bad. Also completely unrelated but do you remember how Dale suddenly ...
Lmao
vivid bridge
Now that's debatable
azure bay
Now that's debatable
Yeah, actually I'm always wrong but that a secret and conspiracy so 🤫
rancid slate
Imagine if Mr. Owl is the father of the Alchemist bros 💥
Being born in 1799 is so close to 1796
Probably no the case because of the Vanderboom house, unless it was constructed in the same time as the Hotel..
Also, I feel like the ticket lady has a weird chance of being the mill lady
But she already looks very old in 1935
But eeehh
Future Rose that is almost 80 looks younger than Past Aldous which was 60
Do the mill lady still has the chance of being the ticket lady
rancid slate
With the most drastically changed design in the series
She could have drank the elixir
But the Mill lady dies in such a bad way that I dont see many ways of her becoming a "good" character
remote remnant
who even owns the mill?
rancid slate
Young Bird
remote remnant
tbh since the vnaderooms are the only normal family there, and mr crow was almost 60 when he became mr crow it wouldnt suprise me that he infact owns it
there arent many other choices besides him
floral veldt
also, @honest brook
you mentioned how when the brain is inserted in water, it appears to bleach it
could it be that those jars are filled with lake's water
and this water has the capability of dissolving or washing away memories?
we see how cubes seem to just poof in CE the Mill, could it be that?
shrewd swallow
do you think laura stays in the lake because she lived in fear of the things she knows?
rancid slate
do you think laura stays in the lake because she lived in fear of the things she...
When exactly? Underground Blossom ending?
shrewd swallow
just in general, between being a reincarnation of one of the vanderboom brothers, all the weird and strange things in the world of rusty lake, her trip through her memories, anything that her mother rose told her about, and sort of her death cycle in paradox but im not quite sure if thats just a construct of the lake or her stepping in and taking a role while dales in there. anyway considering all that if she wasnt in fear of that dont you think she wouldve reincarnated?
shrewd swallow
When exactly? Underground Blossom ending?
tldr yes
although in hindsight that implies that reincarnation is an a freely made choice, and that maybe her role as a sacrifice to the lake removes that option
rancid slate
just in general, between being a reincarnation of one of the vanderboom brothers...
I dont think you can just reincarnate anytime you want
And if so, you would probably come back as an animal
Since to be a human, you would probably need a whole ritual like William
rancid slate
do you think laura stays in the lake because she lived in fear of the things she...
I dont think she stays there (?)
"A life without sorrow" seems to be just like Winter 1981
Tho, it still isnt confirmed that UB ending is the same as Seasons
But I believe Seasons would take place when Laura does that thing in the ending showin her past lives
Thoooo, UB Laura seems to remember things, while Seasons Laura doesnt. But it could just be the effect of acessing your memories
shrewd swallow
And if so, you would probably come back as an animal
in terms of this i bring up the rabbit and the young brother from paradise, even though they went through a whole debacle, it didnt end with him, or the rest of the family going through a direct ritual of reincarnation or using the elixar, yet they return as the characters in hotel, and mr rabbit names the birthday incident as another past life, which i believe reincarnation is a viable option for souls
rancid slate
And Id also agree that "A life without sorrow" seems to not be case right after she also says that "The Lake belongs to me"
shrewd swallow
in terms of this i bring up the rabbit and the young brother from paradise, even...
but also hes prevented and is left as a corrupted soul in the lake
rancid slate
in terms of this i bring up the rabbit and the young brother from paradise, even...
That was rather an Enlightenment than a reincarnation. They dont returned as animals, but Asuras
Asura in Rusty Lake = Half Animal, half human
shrewd swallow
ah
shrewd swallow
Tho, it still isnt confirmed that UB ending is the same as Seasons
i think its later then seasons after the events of the past within, with past and future rose contributing, which ultimately makes it after her death in case 23.
i think seasons was her cleansing her memories while underground blossom is a further step into the future
also with harvey returning to a human/Asura form after he (maybe?) lost that ability after getting almost mauled by the corrupted guests of the hotel (birthday secret cutscene)
and with hotel coinciding with roots it creates a large gap between those harvey Asura appearances
rancid slate
You know that theres no time inside the Lake, right?
shrewd swallow
as in no time or time happening all at once
rancid slate
Both
shrewd swallow
it makes sense but does that mean time travel also happens all at once, do the changes have always happened or do they layer all on top
im getting ahead of myself
rancid slate
They have and at the same time dont have an order
shrewd swallow
my main point is the contention between lauras new life "without sorrow" mean a new version of her life or a completely new incarnation
rancid slate
I dont think its a new incarnation
She remains in her form in both Seasons and UB
And she also appears old in Paradox Future Mind, in Chapter 2
shrewd swallow
yeah, but at the same time, paradox is within the lake, what you see isnt necessarily infallible, "theatre of the mind" it utilises its own use of imagery to convey meaning and change, like how dales birthday still ended up with his parents dead, not saved like in the lake/CE version.
rancid slate
Well, Paradox is before Cube Escape Birthday
And all the events of Paradox are as real as what happens in TPW and any of the other games
Its inside a simulation, yes, but it does affect Laura and Dale
The Green Vial ending is even one of the possibilities to why Laura is alive after Cave
rancid slate
And she also appears old in Paradox Future Mind, in Chapter 2
Old Laura also reappears during the ending of UB
shrewd swallow
doesnt dale leave after getting the golden cube at the end of cave?
the green vial ending implies dale sacrifices himself so that laura is saved yet she is the one that stays behind in the white room at the bottom of the lake
rancid slate
Have you seen the UB secret scene?
That you get after using all 9 Collection symbols
And putting them in order
shrewd swallow
its been a while since i played and completed underground blossom
honest brook
The achievement reveals that Laura also went up the elevator afterwards
shrewd swallow
ok i forgot about that, i only recently replayed CE collection and paradox so cave was more fresh in my mind
shrewd swallow
both trauma dumps the entire fight
anyway that pretty much makes my conclusion moot
rancid slate
Im very confident about all these predictions /j
Had to put some goofy ones cuz I wasnt actually sure about what I could predict besides the already teased stuff
azure bay
you've forgotten about the brother's job interview for positions of court alchemists at Mr. Owl's
rancid slate
Oh yeah
Guess I missed an opportunity
I already posted it on general chat but just in case someone wants to do it too
floral veldt
Im very confident about all these predictions /j
what exactly is "the book" ?
floral veldt
wasnt there a caroline one?
floral veldt
"old diary with answers"
But tbh I would like some more caroline
OH WAIT
dale gets enlightened but he menages to give laura the elixir?
whose recipe was in said old diary!
azure bay
dale gets enlightened but he menages to give laura the elixir?
what are you talking about
?
floral veldt
predictions for hotel2
honest brook
They both have the Elixir. One dies, the other is enlightened
floral veldt
yesyesyes
azure bay
at least that's how it normally goes
the devs tend to spice things up to different extents
floral veldt
The dog knows for sure
oh! another one! the game gets released on the day of the RL 10th anni just like Nowhere said1
azure bay
I think not anymore
there's at least 1 other game to come out before that and I really doubt they can handle 2
they admitted they failed miserably with TPW and UB
multiprojecting isn't their forte apparently
floral veldt
theyre an indie company, right?
azure bay
most definitely
floral veldt
there's at least 1 other game to come out before that and I really doubt they ca...
What would this be about?
honest brook
The thing from the teaser
floral veldt
what teaser? is it in twitter?
azure bay
What would this be about?
Roots prequel
azure bay
what teaser? is it in twitter?
the servant video + christmas postcard
I posted a news/analysis video earlier today
I can share it if you want
floral veldt
watching rn
floral veldt
Roots prequel
ABs backstory?
azure bay
looks like it
floral veldt
it makes sense
Laura was introduced in seasons
her arc gets carried through The Mill
and she gets her arc ender in UB
Dale was introduced in Case23
His arc gets carried through Birthday, Theatre,
and gets solved in Paradox/Cave
owl is introduced in Paradise and his arc gets carried in Hotel, it should be finished within HOTEL2
azure bay
The state of Laura's arc is uncertain. Even tho she's got a good ending both in Seasons and UB, neither is clear enough
And there's at least 1 big episode missing. Hotel 2. Which btw is supposed to be the actual end of Dale's arc. The Cave/Paradox are technically just the beginning of act 2 out of 3
floral veldt
I don't think seasons was an "Ending". I believe it was like the Paradox, except it was a bit diferent because early games
and you can see it within the story too
when you are in the White Cave, you can use the machine to turn her from a corrupted soul to normal, just like she does
the phone which affects her could be the interaction from the machine, no?
also, paradox starts with Human Dale and finishes with a corrupted soul,
In the white cave thats what happens, Dale goes from Human to CS when put to test by the machine
rancid slate
I like how we call it Hotel 2 just because it is likely to take place in the Hotel even if the theme is closer to Paradise
rancid slate
I don't think seasons was an "Ending". I believe it was like the Paradox, except...
Paradox was an ending.. to Cube Escape
floral veldt
Paradox was an ending.. to Cube Escape
cause dale ascended mentally and escaped his limited view of the world, he escaped the cube
rancid slate
floral veldt
thank you!
azure bay
the phone which affects her could be the interaction from the machine, no?
I don't think any of that.
Seasons is the latest know installment with Laura and I see no reason not to trust its late date. Besides, It's nothing like Paradox.
Paradox is an entirely artificial dream with a clear Owl's guidance. Seasons is a pure memory cube like Birthday with no confirmed involvement on Owl's behalf. Future Laura is the most likely person to speak on the phone, there's a time machine in winter.
Whatever happens to Laura in and after The Cave is important but something entirely else
rancid slate
the phone which affects her could be the interaction from the machine, no?
We believe Seasons takes place after her death in the Day of the Lake
azure bay
For me, Seasons and UB go together as Laura's and Rose's contingency plan after Laura failed in Hotel 2
"I can live another life without sorrow"
not "I can throw my new life away on a deadly lottery"
and she does live another happy life in Seasons ending
rancid slate
William is so unlucky he gambled twice and died in both times
floral veldt
alright.... but from a narrative point of view then... we need to establish characters, their conflict and get them ready for the finaly
with Dale its quite simple
rancid slate
Hotel 2 gotta be the end of his preparation arc
azure bay
I'd call it ascension arc
I do expect him afterwards but in a different role facing different challenges
maybe "fighting" the lake
maybe fighting Albert
honest brook
He'll have to deal with the guests' corrupted souls as well, right?
rancid slate
And free everyone
azure bay
He'll have to deal with the guests' corrupted souls as well, right?
I can totally see them pulling out day of the lake collective enlightenment again to deal with that
floral veldt
Wait, I'm making a chart, rlquick
floral veldt
???
azure bay
I don't really think such structure is universal
I mean
it kinda is
but you need to take the scope into consideration
rancid slate
???
Imo the first appearence should be the establishment
So Case 23 for Mr. Owl too
And Hotel ofc
rancid slate
Paradise works more as a backstory in terms of Mr. Owl
floral veldt
Where does Cube Escape: The Lake go? It's also about Laura
I forgot that one!
honest brook
I forgot that one!
The Lake feels more like "establishment" for me personally, if we organise the games like this
rancid slate
Paradise works more as a backstory in terms of Mr. Owl
Id say Paradox has Mr. Owl development in Chapter 2
We knew he wanted Dale and Laura, but not that it was to be a sucessor
Minor development
He doesnt get actual development in any of the games if you think about it
Hes always the same
azure bay
For 1, beyond the point but Paradox is definitely before Bday and Theatre chronologically.
For 2, Even though some games are serialized and may fit into 1 of these zones, some are complete and contain ALL of them.
Paradise isn't a story to establish Owl, as Sp pointed out, it's to tell a complete arc of a person that eventually becomes Mr. Owl.
Roost is a story of a struggling corrupted soul and a bunch of its descendants each of them being established developed and concluded.
And so are Seasons. A self-contained story of death and resurrection. A perfect early hook-up.
And so is Underground Blossom.
rancid slate
UB = Seasons
But UB feels bigger and more focused in bringing a conclusion to Laura's story/explaining her suicide which is where it all begins
Seasons is more like WHO AM I DID I KILLED MYSELF WHAT??
azure bay
UB revolves around Rose more. Laura's depression given face. Plus a metaphor of a train of life
rancid slate
Id consider a game about as development if the character was actually developed
floral veldt
Right, can we at least agree that C23 establishes Dale as a character
rancid slate
Yeah
azure bay
definitely
floral veldt
alright
and, in BDAY and THEATRE, we get to learn more about him, what motivates him and what he is set to become/do
rancid slate
Id consider a game about as development if the character was actually developed
I think Samsara Room could be a development to William maybe maybe
floral veldt
so it is, development, right?
azure bay
so it is, development, right?
and also character evolution
rancid slate
Im not sure if William will have a different conclusion to Laura
azure bay
he learns new things and overcomes obstacles
floral veldt
great! we're agreeing in something definitely
then, in paradox his main obstacle is set: he will ascend to become the master of the lake, if he does not die (according to laura)
so it serves as the conflict - the thing that gets solved in Conclusion
azure bay
technically, yes
although there were other conflict hints
like beating corrupted souls from The Mill
rancid slate
Conclusion to the main story of the games 🤫
azure bay
becoming something else may seem like a conflict too actually
like I had my normal life but a wizard abducted me and makes me do stuff
azure bay
that's not exactly my point
we're talking of a conflict
Paradox establishes the ultimate conflict for Dale's arc
but there are others
floral veldt
can I put it like this?
rancid slate
Spooky bunny man
azure bay
for us, Birthday is an origin story + a protagonist's challenge but for Dale it's only the latter + personal growth
floral veldt
thus character evolution, no?
azure bay
the other side of having different perspectives is experiencing the story in different orders
floral veldt
bday serves to better understand him from a story perspective, and personal growth from an in-universe perspective. I think
floral veldt
about owl then
azure bay
Not sure if he has a clear arc
let me think
he's clearly intoduced in The Mill
Hotel goes deeper into his motives and methods
rancid slate
Hes just continuin the tradition cuz the voices in his head tell him to
azure bay
in Bday-Theatre-Paradox he's just a mentor figure
floral veldt
azure bay
I disagree
rancid slate
What would be his motivation?
Paradise was to explain the Mr. Owl and Guests origin + Continue in Paradox
floral veldt
what should I write for the mill?
azure bay
Paradise is not about Mr. Owl at all. You hardly understand him better knowing his past as an errand boy. He changed a lot off-screen.
Globally, Paradise's purpose is to actually develop Dale in a roundabout way. Jakob is actually Dale's "twin", they undergo the same arc
azure bay
Hotel properly introduces Mr. Owl
and develops him, I guess
azure bay
Nothing personal
you are joking but it may actually turn out the case
rancid slate
I.. am just addicted to Cubes..
We need a clue that makes it clear if Mr. Owl knew that the White Cube would show the future or he coincidentally got it
azure bay
For me it's the former
he sets it up in the beginning
and in the end reveal the secret
rancid slate
Not enough 😔
We need a
A random info that shows that he suddendly knows how to craft a cubical device that will ressurect him if his daughter from 60 years in the future helps herself
That should do it!
azure bay
how is it related to Mr. Owl and Hotel?
rancid slate
Just playing around, but just like Albert, I dont see Mr. Owl having any type of advanced knowledge like that
For the rituals, Lake and cubes, sure he does
But for something that didnt seemed to be a previous knowledge to him, Im not sure
azure bay
presumably Mr. Owl has access to a long tradition of the lake worshipers + the knowledge of his genius mother + resources for research
but even without all that
floral veldt
- Harvey, don't forget harvey
the alchemy brothers, also crafted cubes with alchemy
(roots secret level)
azure bay
but even without all that
he's just a wise guy in control. You naturally assume he's knowledgeable and don't question it just like nobody questioned an evil galactic emperor in Star Wars back in the 70s.
The initial suspension of disbelieve works. It's when the status quo is changing before our eyes we start needing reasons
Albert didn't seem THAT advanced in Roots
So we want an explanation
but Owl was smart from the start
floral veldt
I mean, Caroline did most of the work
azure bay
we don't really know
Owl had time to deepen it
and Caroline herself could be just another stepping stone in the succession
floral veldt
rancid slate
but Owl was smart from the start
Yeah, but with which game being released, he seemed to not remain the wise the character hes supposed to be
The Mill initially made it look they never knew Dale and Laura
floral veldt
do you guys want to work on laura?
should I put the white door as laura development?
rancid slate
Could be part of it, but not entirely
It showed that she liked drawing 👍
And the notebook was from Rose!
remote remnant
It showed that she liked drawing 👍
thats more characterisation than most characters get tbh
floral veldt
Could be part of it, but not entirely
yes totally, like, how theatre works as a robert establishment and dale development
floral veldt
thats more characterisation than most characters get tbh
shes tied in with the ageless dog
azure bay
The Mill initially made it look they never knew Dale and Laura
Won't speak of Laura and Roots but Hotel was the very next game after The Mill, just a month apart and with even older hints of it coming. I think they did think Dale through there.
And even though I agree there are other examples like William, elixir, The White Door institute, I think Owl did know what he was doing in Hotel. Too much luck is a deadly writer sin
floral veldt
the alchemy brothers, also crafted cubes with alchemy
what about this? couldnt Crow have helped him?
rancid slate
do you guys want to work on laura?
Mr. Crow first appears in Harvey's Box as a random Crow man
In Case 23, he appears as a mysterious man that can turn into a Crow
Mill properly shows him as Mr. Owl favorite slave co-worker
remote remnant
damn Mr Crow's origins are pretty random
azure bay
what about this? couldnt Crow have helped him?
possible. Also possible they were helping each other
I tend to think Owl gave them Caroline's incomplete formula he had
floral veldt
Mr. Crow first appears in Harvey's Box as a random Crow man
In Case 23, he appea...
that doesn't count as establishment... cmon...
floral veldt
I tend to think Owl gave them Caroline's incomplete formula he had
we see them making chalk, it is one of the ingredients in Carolines memories!
rancid slate
that doesn't count as establishment... cmon...
Roots then?
It takes all way up to Roots for him to get an actual story
floral veldt
I would say, establishment is when you first see the character doing something and getting, a very vague, very, idea of what they want, in general terms
remote remnant
Imo establishment would be in Case 23 because that's the first time he has an actual role in the story, and not just a random appearance in Harvey's Box
rancid slate
So The Mill?
floral veldt
so, I would say Mill is a good starting point yes!
roots tells us who he is and how he's been everywhere
and the next game should be either more development or conclucion
perhaps the paradox trio will have their conclusion in HOTEL2
azure bay
we see them making chalk, it is one of the ingredients in Carolines memories!
Honestly, I'd prefer to throw the secret alchemy level away entirely as mindless reference and gameplay
floral veldt
(Dale, Crow and Owl)
rancid slate
I think Mr. Crow will have an actual story where hes not the guy that just works and stuff
floral veldt
Honestly, I'd prefer to throw the secret alchemy level away entirely as mindless...
the important thing is that they did stuff with alchemy and could have how many resources you need. Magic is real after all
floral veldt
I think Mr. Crow will have an actual story where hes not the guy that just works...
Crowl origin story when? 
rancid slate
Not an origin, but more like TWD and UB
azure bay
the important thing is that they did stuff with alchemy and could have how many ...
fair
rancid slate
If not, just a better reason for him to be so "attached" to Mr. Owl
Maybe in the next game already
azure bay
Crow + Owl, I'd say
they turn out not that smart nor powerful they seemed earlier
they have no elixir they can consistently use to stay in the game
floral veldt
azure bay
Personally, I'd clear out Laura's side entirely. The Lake isn't the intro and the rest are complete arcs
floral veldt
We can get to her now
first, we need a game that establishes who she is
I would say seasons does that
she is a troubled woman, who is dealing with a lot of problems and trying to find a solution
rancid slate
Yeah, Seasons
floral veldt
it doesn't explain nothing about her, what happened, and how it ends, it works as a perfect introduction
rancid slate
The Mill could count as minor development if you consider that it shows what she considers good and bad in her memories but it was already obvious that she didnt liked her death
So, which games actually have Laura's development?
Does the Theatre letter to Bob counts?
floral veldt
white door explain some of it
but I would say UB does it
It is, literally, all about her
childhood, teenage years, relation with bob, mental problems, death
and at the end she goes up the elevator, working as a setting for the conclusion too
rancid slate
Id consider Child Lane, School Street and Sorrow Cross as development
Lake Station as conclusion
Soul Street maybe as development too
And Bird Bridge too
So basically all the main stations except for the last one
floral veldt
the lake is tricky cause time doesn't work linearly as we would like
I might be prone to taking things for face value, but her saying "The Lake belongs to me now" shows lots of confidence!
She might have accepted her role as a Vanderboom and is ready to take what belongs to her. It would then make sense to have her ascending in the elevator, confident that she will be granted immortality
she is still human, and susceptible to hubris
floral veldt
it does? how so?
rancid slate
Atleast for now, thats what we believe
rancid slate
it does? how so?
When you open the Big White Cube
Laura's voice echoes "Where did she go?"
Implying she doesnt know
Considering that they are going to the Day of the Lake
Laura dies again
floral veldt
Laura's voice echoes "Where did she go?"
she being, rose?
floral veldt
I love the way she says it
rancid slate
My headcanon is that
After TPW ending, Future Rose and Albert visit Laura in her house
And they live happily ever after
Until her grandfather kills someone
floral veldt
here crow says she's ready. wouldn't it be because she had balanced the substances of her past life?
rancid slate
Its not clear why would she be ready
floral veldt
we went back, made sure everything was finished, got the cubes and went to her
rancid slate
UB post-game is mostly just gameplay
Unless you consider the letter from Mr. Owl as 100% canon
azure bay
Unless you consider the letter from Mr. Owl as 100% canon
I somewhat do
Harvey comes back in time to start working for Owl again
maybe he did collect the cubes
maybe it even resurrected Laura
rancid slate
I would believe it if the time thing was before Crib Station
Since the BKM station is after all the rest
azure bay
time does not exist in the lake
azure bay
I don't think so
there were hints
notably Dale spending there months and not regrowing the beard
azure bay
yep
rancid slate
But I know it is 🐈
azure bay
you said they killed it
rancid slate
It was a joke
azure bay
anyways, you said it as if it was a sudden decision and I responded
rancid slate
Harvey comes back in time to start working for Owl again
So he would become an asura in 1972-198?
Or would he already be an Asura?
And what about Paradise?
Isnt he ancient?
azure bay
So he would become an asura in 1972-198?
I said nothing about him being an asura. With no extra explanation it makes no sense no matter what
floral veldt
As my interpretation suggests - the island is outside of the lake (and "reality" by extension) and it follows its own time
azure bay
Isnt he ancient?
"ancient" was misremembered. He was allegedly "old" but that's beyond the point
rancid slate
Albert and Rose
floral veldt
should I include harvey too?
rancid slate
I dont even know if Harvey exists 😔
floral veldt
what would harvey's establishment be?
HB serves as characterization - smart and cunning
rancid slate
Underground Blossom
rancid slate
Hes just presented as Laura's parrot in Seasons
floral veldt
should we call harvey by they/them?
like
he is everywhere
Roots delivering Emma's letter
Hotel as the playable character
the same with Harvey's box
he shows up in Seasons
Paradox
as an easterEGG in Paradise and Birthday
shows up in theatre
floral veldt
the same with Harvey's box
and UB
rancid slate
should we call harvey by they/them?
Not sure if we got Harvey's official pronouns
floral veldt
floral veldt
shows up in theatre
The mill, Case 23
rancid slate
Maybe at the descriptions of the games
floral veldt
rancid slate
He/him then
rancid slate
he is everywhere
Yeah, but only got to have an actual role in UB
As Laura's protector
Hes basically a guider that helps mutiple people
floral veldt
what about the murderous bird in hotel? yes hes just a yes-man but aside from that, he drives basically everything
rancid slate
Harvey and Mr. Crow
Two characters that appear everywhere cuz they just feel like it
rancid slate
Btw, I had a thought about Albert betraying Rose somehow
Just the idea of it
Not any actual reason
Just because he was evil 👽
Oh
rancid slate
And I also wanted to do a recap of all unsolved/unknown things from all games
Besides Arles 🐈
rancid slate
Sure
floral veldt
should we start or you wanna do it later?
rancid slate
Are you busy?
floral veldt
not really
rancid slate
In Seasons, even after almost a decade, there are still mysteries
floral veldt
first - what is Harvey's biological gender?
rancid slate
•What was so bad about Harvey's Egg..?
•Was Harvey originally killed or was it only in the cube?
•How did Laura created an Elixir?
floral veldt
- what were the blueprints on winter from?
- what the hell was on that mushroom
- where does Seasons take place?
rancid slate
Where or when?
floral veldt
both
rancid slate
I could answer where 👽
Atleast the memories
Are inside her house
The same from Case 23
I even have a small theory that the House was altered so Dale wouldnt find the knife in the kitchen
And have to investigate Rusty Lake instead
noble plinth
•What was so bad about Harvey's Egg..?
•Was Harvey originally killed or was it o...
(complete speculation) could it be that harvey's egg represents the elixir? I mean, egg being symbol of life and stuff, maybe laura starts remembering all the vanderboom family stuff
floral veldt
it is used in the make of the elixir by the borthers too
noble plinth
oh, yeah!
rancid slate
The egg was way back in 1964
floral veldt
Laura says in paradox : How everything started - harvey's egg
rancid slate
But it would also make sense for it to "activate" more corrupted thoughts in her mind
Moths also leave the egg when it breaks
noble plinth
in the white room flashbacks there's also moths connected to laura
rancid slate
Laura says in paradox : How everything started - harvey's egg
Yeah, that line seems to be both meta (Since Seasons is supposed to be the first game) and in-lore (Elixir)
But the Elixir egg is from a crow
Soooo
floral veldt
Moths also leave the egg when it breaks
moths also exit the deer skull in paradox
rancid slate
What exactly made Harvey's egg so traumatizing? 😭
floral veldt
they cover caroline's eyes in paradise
and David's body
giving him a similar texture to corrupted souls
rancid slate
They also appear in The Mill when laura leaves the clock
noble plinth
moths are symbolic of soul transformation
"moths are seen as a symbol of a holy union of light and dark needed for a soul's transformation"
rancid slate
The Egg gets inconsistent later too
Laura trades a black egg in Case 23 for a White Cube
What mysteries are in Cube Escape The Lake?
noble plinth
"moths are seen as a symbol of a holy union of light and dark needed for a soul'...
if moths symbolize rebirth and soul transformation in some way, maybe it is connected with the rebirth of william
rancid slate
Besides the identity of the Corrupted Soul(s)
noble plinth
harvey's absence? and if harvey's box is canon
rancid slate
It is
Harvey's Box just wasnt planned I think
The box appears in the cabin in Case 23
So we know it happened for real
And the jar with insects also reappear in Laura's house
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What mysteries are in Cube Escape The Lake?
The weird Tree maybe
I think we can move to Harvey's Box?
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•Was Mr. Crow there?
•Was that black egg from Harvey or from a crow?
•Is the pigeon Mrs. Pigeon?
•Is the CS Mrs. Pigeon?
•Is the CS the same as the one in The Lake?
I dont think these will ever be answered tbh
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what was that fruit he opened up?
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Trippy fruit
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Was Harvey's Box ever referenced again?
The fruit seems to be at the feast video
But I dont recall any in-game references after Case 23
Far-fetched thing would be my speculation of the pigeon in UB representing HB
So now we have Case 23
Are there any mysteries in the first chapter?
I fr forgot
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Oh, quick theory about the Beetle:
It could be a clue that the Hotel crew was there since the "same" beetle can also be seen in RL Hotel
They knew Dale would inspect the body, so they hid the key inside the beetle to make Dale progress and find the photos about Rusty Lake
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what beetle? I don't remember
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ohhh... that's... awefully specific
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Case 23 Beetle is secretly the most important Rusty Lake character
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how is laura able to move?
Mr. Owl's letter in the Mill says that he will give us the body of a young woman
So he probably used magic to bring it to the Mill
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she was hitting an upside T-pose
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how a hand managed to get out of a TV is standart rusty lake
but whether the ceiling fan was magic or just a very shity transition is weird af
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I think it was magic
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who is the cat in the vent? was it the cat from Bday?
ARE THEY WORKING WITH MR OWL TOO?
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Funny thing
He appears unshaved when he looks at Bob in TWD
Which means that, in the lore, he shaved after Bob got corrupted
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after meeting him at the theatre?
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After the scene that Bob is arrested
And he looks at the window
"I need your memory"
*A police officer is killed and the suspect escapes *
Dale: Well, I gotta shave it!
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Any mystery in chapter 3 and 4?
Wait
Wait wait wait wait
The elevator
Is at the Cabin
Not the Hotel!
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So where the -1 button from Hotel goes to?
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in Cave we see the diving man ward of the corrupted souls so that dale can reach the white Cave, not only that but in Paradox he runs around in the forest, so could it be that the cabin elevator just drops you in the middle of the lake?
maybe somewhere close to the last train station?
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in Cave we see the diving man ward of the corrupted souls so that dale can reach...
Oooooh yeah that
I forgot that lol
Thought I was into something
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Its the chapel
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why is crow roaming in the chappel,
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I think it was either built by of Vanderboom or by some other unknown residents like og Eilander
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why is he a chapel roam
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The structure of where the paintings are in the Chapel is used again in Roots and TPW
As the place where the 3 timepieces are placed
And the place where you get the 3 things for Albert
Blood, flesh and bone
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why is he a chapel roam
I think, after the Mill, it was in their plan to bring Dale to the Cabin
But like
Why was Dale in the Chapel??
Was it another test?
Maybe Mr. Owl knew he just made the hardest puzzle ever..
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this is the original paiting
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this is the original paiting
Oh yeah, the lady is Caroline
So the Chapel was from Eilanders..?
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perhaps
but rose goes Grave diggin near it
not to mention that the Eilanders had a chappel of sorts - the place where we deliever the cubes into the well to cure the plague
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https://tenor.com/view/cube-escape-case-23-rusty-lake-chapel-cube-escape-chapel-...
also
why was there a [pheasant/pigeon] skull kept there?
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starry night*
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I guess the Hotel crew dump random things that they like in the Chapel 😭
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starry night*
Yeah
The below half of the statue also is resused in Roots as William
Another connection to the Vanderboom
I think the Eilander and Vanderboom were connected for ages
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Theres a baby
there was one in a fucking theatre toilet. Baby in a box is a massive upgrade, thank you
/j
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unless you prefer, baby in a storks stomach
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interesting...
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why was there a [pheasant/pigeon] skull kept there?
Isnt it an eagle skull?
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I dont have ir
Mmm
In Samsara Room, the Heart represents William's past life and the Baby his new life
And lives can also be sepparated by ages I think
So, in Theatre..
The Shell - A Past Live or Ms Pheasant
The Heart - Elizabeth Eilander
The Baby - Reincarnation or Ms Pheasant?
The Hat - Theatre Lady
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We usually call her Lady in Blue
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I call her Theatre lady cuz her title things are both Lady in Blue and Lady of the Lake
So I presume these would be the characters that she is acting
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After you balance her past lives, she sings and dies
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lovely
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ig
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I think there are no mysteries in Chapter 4, right?
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the shell is found in the lake'
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Theres one in the Chapel too
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so it must represent her as a corrupted soul
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Mmmm
Makes sense
If CSs count as past lives
UB ending could really be a representantion of the balancing
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So, in Theatre..
The Shell - A Past Live or Ms Pheasant
The Heart - Elizabeth E...
elizabeth - mss pheasant - corrupted soul - lady
heart - baby - shell - hat
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I think there are no mysteries in Chapter 4, right?
why the hell is the paradox wallpaper showing in the cabin
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It manifested in the Paradox room
Cuz Dale got scared
Of Mr. Deer
Imagine if..
Thats not Mr Deer
But corrupted Dale
Corrupted Deva Dale
Because he regrets beggining this journey
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Is it the same?
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The Mill
The spiderweb implies that they dont go to there for some time
Same for the Cave
And yet, the Cave book has info about Laura, Dale, their cubes and Golden Cube
I dont think there are many mysteries in the Mill
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how crow is not married to owl will always be a mystery
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So true
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now, I need to emphasize something
I've fallen for crow, not aldous
they are diferent
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I think becoming an Asura makes you lose some of your humanity
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crow is a powerful being that will protect you and care for you
aldous is a grandpa at a daycare center
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"I need my drink"
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sure you do, granpa
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He is elixircholic
The Mill kinda confirms that The green gem ending in the Lake was real
Cuz it appears in Laura's memories
And it is also used in Cave to power the submarine
Very powerful gem
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the green gem is the pentagon, not the pentagram right?
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Yeah
I think the only real mysteries are..
Harvey and Laura
While Harvey's murder is unknown
It also makes his appearence in Mill as a clue that it didnt happened
Both go missing after that
We dont know exactly where they two go
And thats the last time we see Harvey
In 1972
Laura possibly went to the Big White Cube
But I dont she would like to