🤔｜theories

[azure bay]

her cubes contained the elixir elements that clearly reacted in the end

Jakob and his 5 family members, yes

at least they asked for enlightenment in exchange for a sacrifice

[floral veldt]

I assume jakob died but was brought back. while the rest if the island burned

[azure bay]

their immediate fate is unclear

we've got the guests' ages that don't correspond the Eilanders at all

they may either mean something specific or be just retconned

[floral veldt]

well

there is one thing I know I'm right

Mr. Crow was taking them across the lake to the hotel, because crows usually symbolise death

Mr. Crow was bringing them to their doom

[azure bay]

I think such symbolism is applicable exclusively to Hotel because he brought Dale to something else in Case 23

[floral veldt]

what about the theatre?

it was aldous who gave robbert the gun

[azure bay]

But Bob was never meant to die

[floral veldt]

I mean, I assume the deer figure killed him in the cabin

[azure bay]

in a "failure timeline"

[floral veldt]

yeah, sorry. The white door is still very confusing to me

[azure bay]

the theatre was either a dream space or an otherwise controlled environement

Mr. Owl had plans on both Dale and Bob

[floral veldt]

dale continued his journey, ascending... to the hotel

it's the hotel right?

[azure bay]

yep

[floral veldt]

that's what the broken button in the elevator scene with Mr. Bat means right?

[azure bay]

the big white cube at the lake bottom

[floral veldt]

hmmmm

I need to replay the theatre and cave

wait,

and van gogh

what happened to him?

[azure bay]

no idea. Probably reborn

[floral veldt]

he opens the door after facing his cubes and runs into his painting

I think of it as a metaphor

after all, theo insisted he would only live if he could keep painting

so it would make sense for him to escape into his paintings

[azure bay]

I never thought of the outside as his literal painting.

[floral veldt]

yeah, I just thought about it, I did some research on VG for my painting so this came to mind

[azure bay]

I always thought it was either a stylization or some vision of a place he'd been at before

a theory that he was just another patient in Owl's institutions

[floral veldt]

well, if don't know, his painting, Starry Night is an amalgamation of what he could remember when exploring the nearby town

[floral veldt]

VG was put into an assylum...

[azure bay]

the thing is, it's not Starry Night per se

it features the lake instead of St. Remy

and sometimes the hotel

[floral veldt]

and when you open the windows you can see someone in the lake fishing... maybe VG went into rusty lake

but that would put RL in france and not in the Netherlands

[azure bay]

it was never meant to be in the Netherlands, not with mountains like that. But it couldn't be in Arles either

no lakes, no immediate mountains, too hot for snowy winters

[floral veldt]

I just though about it since all names are dutch

Vanderboom means "from the tree"

Eilander means "of the lake"

[azure bay]

"Islanders"* and "from the lake " is Vadermeer

But I think these are either immigrants or simply literal names

Dale/Laura/Bob likely live in US, considering the props around them

[floral veldt]

ah sorry!

[azure bay]

but the lake had to be in Europe

[floral mauve]

Wha

Where did that come from

Thought Canada is not excluded

[azure bay]

the chapel was built in the middle ages

it has to be the old world

[floral veldt]

• the plague references

[azure bay]

these may come from wherever with christianity

[floral mauve]

Is that so

[floral veldt]

and the dressing style of the guests

[floral mauve]

I forgot

[azure bay]

1384

long before America discovery

[floral mauve]

Ye

So no I guess

[azure bay]

If we take Leonard's uniform seriously (which I'm not sure anymore if we should considering other WW1 props), we have to place RL in the north of England

there happens to be the Lake District but that could be a coinsidence

just like 7 real Rusty Lakes in Canada

[floral veldt]

mr. owl, does speak in a classy way

[azure bay]

not sure. Bob Rafferty was meant to impersonate Morgan Freeman

the voice actor

[floral veldt]

is this a joke?

[azure bay]

I'm telling ya, I found 7 of these there

the devs seemingly said they were aware of at least 1 such but said it wasn't intensional

[floral veldt]

lmao

[azure bay]

and the image has to be a joke

[floral veldt]

ofc

[vast stag]

Been pondering this a bit, but what if the lake isn't rusty at all?. . . 😱

[azure bay]

oh gosh!!!

[remote remnant]

oxidised lake

[visual coral]

it's not rusty

it's beet soup

with vodka as secret ingredient

[rancid slate]

In Paradise, Nicholas asks the Lake to enlighten them, so in Paradise: Enlightment = Asura?

[azure bay]

it seems so

[rancid slate]

So Enlightment could be just changing Realms

Nicholas: Enlighten me!!!
Lake: Ok

🦌

William: Enlighten me
Lake:

Do the animals and heart have any meaning in Samsara Room?

[azure bay]

past life substance?

[rancid slate]

I meant, for the wheel

[azure bay]

we could attribute each one a samsara realm but I don't think it's very meaningful

[rancid slate]

Dang

Today I thought about UB Laura being another timeline instead of the one from Cave

[azure bay]

welp... for the most part they coinside

[rancid slate]

One minor thing doesn't

She gets corrupted when she dies

[azure bay]

I'm not taking it overly seriously. It's not the game for that

the real difference is the ending

[rancid slate]

I will never get over Rose telling us to keep the timepiece and saying that it will protect Laura in the future, then Laura literally shattering it

[azure bay]

it served its purpose, we are free to let it go

[rancid slate]

And what was it?

[azure bay]

hard to tell

but the result is, Laura went to The Lake

[rancid slate]

Didn't protected her from bullying, her photos being stolen

Anything

[azure bay]

I wouldn't expect it to do that

it felt more like a charm

would probably protect her from corrupted souls

or from corrupted thoughts

[rancid slate]

From Freddy Fazbear

[rancid slate]

That's the only thing I can think about being the purpose

Or just all the bad stuff that happens after she loses the timepiece

Maybe even Harvey's egg

[azure bay]

it wasn't it in the end

I reckon it showed her way to the lake

or to Rose

[rancid slate]

So Rose killed her daughter just to save her

[azure bay]

not sure

not sure about Rose's master plan

"the cubes, the resurrection, the sacrifice. It's all for her"

but whose resurrection?

whose sacrifice?

[rancid slate]

My sanity

Thats what was sacrificed

[azure bay]

and it's as she helped Albert to spmehow benefit Laura

for now I tend to think the timepiece had a double purpose

[rancid slate]

1984, someone rings at the door
Laura: Who could it be?
Laura opens the door
Laura: Hello?
Albert: Laura..
Laura: Do I know you?
Rose: This is your grandfather, Laura
Laura: Mom!!!
And then they hug and live happily ever after
Dale: This really was a Cube Escape

[vivid bridge]

Her helping Albert made her become a funky tree, which helped Laura... somehow

[rancid slate]

"Somehow Palpatine returned"

[azure bay]

the question is, was it the plan or a contingency?

[vivid bridge]

Truly the state of the franchise

[rancid slate]

Next game will reveal that Dale was also part of Rose's plan

[vivid bridge]

In this franchise everyone just kinda knows whats gonna happen so I'd say its part of her plan even though she shouldn't have any idea on what would happen

[rancid slate]

"Mmm yeah I will ressurect my father and turn into a tree to save my daughter that will kill herself because I left her and not only that, but left a massive hole in her heart and mind. Seems like the perfect plan"

[azure bay]

it may have something to do with the lake belonging to Laura in the end

[rancid slate]

William fans so lucky the devs didnt even minded to use his new design in UB

[azure bay]

It's rather ok. One of the better examples honestly

Harvey wasn't nearly so lucky

[rancid slate]

He lost the drip pose

[azure bay]

I think it's the least he lost

he looks idk too flat?

even flatter for their new flat style which I mostly don't mind that much

[rancid slate]

All clothes lost all details basically

[azure bay]

although Crow's head looks too flat to my liking

in its form I mean

[rancid slate]

Dale is the only one to look better than the og imo

[azure bay]

Laura in Paradox looks great

and not much worse later on

Bob works good too

[rancid slate]

She lost the creepiness tho, but its ok since the current themes are not scary or gory

[azure bay]

What creepiness?

[rancid slate]

I miss his brown-orange hair

[rancid slate]

Case 23 and Mill, mostly

I know that its because she is dead and corrupted

[azure bay]

I think her portrait in TWD had such a vibe

and the whole "the moths flew into her eyes" thing

[rancid slate]

But in the older games, she had mostly no character and just standed in a menacing (not menacing) way so she seemed very creepier

🧍‍♀️

[azure bay]

to me she seemed rather relaxed when she was alive

[rancid slate]

Paradox and TPW look good I would say because of the enviroment that has a very good composition and actual wallpapers/more realistic graphics for walls and ground, while TWD and UB are mostly pale and very bright bright colors almost white

All rooms are very empty too in UB

Child Lane is basically the only one to have more than 2 things per side of room

[azure bay]

I think it's ok considering that there are multiple levels

[rancid slate]

I need 20 puzzles per side

Minimum

🐈

[azure bay]

I think you should read their TPW devlog about puzzles

[rancid slate]

Which one is it? (The number)

[azure bay]

maybe the third?

or the second?

[rancid slate]

I think its the 3rd

I will be doing a counting of how many rooms and puzzles are in each game, maybe also the difficulty

[rancid slate]

The theory was that:
•Cave Laura had the timepiece and didn't worried much about her mom (Explaining why we see not a single thing about Rose and Laura in previous games), she got corrupted in The Mill and thats pretty much it. She would get uncorrupted in Seasons I think, or after Dale starts to arrive. Considering future Laura tells Dale that one will die and the other will be enlighten, it doesn't seem like Laura's life will have a good ending after all..?
•UB Laura would be the one to lose the timepiece and worry about her mom, being the main reason for her Suicide and getting corrupted just after her death (Just like William, for example), then Having Harvey to guide her into the Lake "after" TPW to see the Blossom and do the UB ending, a life without sorrow

This would also explain why we dont see other events in UB like the memory extraction

As I don't think things would go the same way if he Laura got corrupted before Dale went to the "murder" scene

Considering the last Cave achievement as an actual evidence for when things happen, then I guess UB Laura could be the same as Cave Laura:
•After the events of The Mill, somehow Soul Street would happen and the timepiece would be shattered, going later on be found by Mr. Crow

Even with the Lake being timeless, it would still fit the lore as Laura would still go the White Cube after that

But Im still not sure if Seasons ending and UB ending are the same thing

UB depends on TPW

Future takes place in 1984, 3 years after 1981

The year Laura would be alive after Seasons ending

Therefore, having no reason for Rose try to save her unless she didnt knew it

.

Not related, but I found one more dot to connect to the Sorrow Cross pigeon being a representation of Harvey's Box 😭

(SC = Sorrow Cross)

•Mrs. Pigeon asks for Corn in RLH

We give a Corn cookie to the Pigeon in SC

•HB takes in 1969, when Laura goes to Lake after breaking up with Bob

We can only do the Pigeon puzzle after Bob goes away

•Mrs. Pigeon is the closest suspect to the CS identity in HB (Mostly for the Pigeon there and not the Wings) We, Harvey, defeat her in HB ending

We, Harvey, lead the Pigeon to its death in SC

*Con #1 Mrs. Pigeon isnt confirmed to be the CS in HB lol
*Con #2 The Pigeon in SC has not the same appearence from the Pigeon in HB

Con to the Con #2 We never see Mrs. Pigeon after RLH, so the style could have changed..? Also, the last Pigeon to be seen (As far as I remember) was in RLP (The Pigeon Mask) which also doesn't look like Mrs. Pigeon, but sure is her

[frozen creek]

Oh sh-

I simply think that ub is the process that Harvey observed throughout Laura's life

[azure bay]

And still Mrs. Pigeon sucks as a CS suspect in HB

[azure bay]

I believe Rose was "always" the reason of Laura's depression. By always I mean a secret retcon made in 2016

I don't think it's reasonable to split timelines by the timepiece detail when in both of them Laura kills herself

I think Rose simply helped Laura to bend the timeline of Seasons

I wonder if the leafless tree from the ending is meant to represent Rose now

[rancid slate]

What was it?

[azure bay]

before Rose?

[rancid slate]

The retcon

[azure bay]

"Rose is now the reason of Laura's depression. Rose was always the reason of Laura's depression"

retroactive continuity

[rancid slate]

This was said in 2016?

[azure bay]

no, I'm sure it was decided

what was said that TPW and UB were in mind back when they designed Albert

[rancid slate]

They couldve did it in Cave

But didnt

[azure bay]

they don't do many things

they deliberately keep a lot in secret

revelaling the info when they feel fit

The Cave wasn't about Laura per se

it was about Roots in general, a new elixir ritual and Dale's elevator journey

[rancid slate]

@azure bay Who would say "Find me in the past"? Mr. Crow or Laura?

[vivid bridge]

In the context of Seasons its Crow

[rancid slate]

Could be corrupted Laura,,

[visual coral]

Laura finds herself in the past, so it should be her

[azure bay]

@vivid bridge @rancid slate it has to be Laura.

Besides what Moon said, I'd expect him speaking in winter too. But since he's not, it has to be Laura speaking from winter.

The phone has no problem sending energy to the past, so why not messages?

[vivid bridge]

I think originally it was meant to be Laura but then with The Mill, they retconned the phone voice to be Crow

[floral mauve]

why crow

mill has nothing to do with seasons no

he was talking to dale yes

unless seasons was fully monitored by owl and crow too

[azure bay]

Crow is the 1st clearly identifiable phone voice speaking some of the same phrases within the same year

The dots connect on their own

[floral mauve]

but thats a typical cs voice

[honest brook]

in the mill it has to be mr crow at least, because we're playing as him when he's talking to Dale

[azure bay]

Yeah, that no one doubts

[floral mauve]

ye but we are referring to seasons

[azure bay]

It's hard to reconsider things when out've formed an opinion

[floral mauve]

wha

I mean ye those are typical phrases of crow

could it not be its Laura default setting a voice since she probably called and talked with crow before

[azure bay]

You need to think deeper to connect the voice to Laura while Crow is connected for you.

And It wasn't a normal cs voice up until 2018 and Caroline. And even then some may have choosen to ignore her.

It's not that Laura isn't the right answer. The alternative is simply more on the noze

[rancid slate]

Thats what Mr. Crow voice used to sound like

[floral mauve]

not used to, he can still do it

[rancid slate]

Real

[floral mauve]

devs claimed that he is good at making voices

who knows what that means

[rancid slate]

He still uses that voice in Paradox if u call the Case 23 number

[azure bay]

That he may sound both human and CSish

[azure bay]

And in UB demo

But still, to me Laura makes much more sense

[rancid slate]

Wasnt it still supposed to be Albert?

[azure bay]

Even though it's not that intuitive

[floral mauve]

right

I guess we have to use irl element to settle this

rather than the plot itself

[azure bay]

In the demo you call the mill number and the voice breaks the 4th wall

[rancid slate]

Ooh yeah

I noticed that yesterday and Imediatly forgot

[rancid slate]

The next thing I'd would like to talk is if Laura considers the Lake a bad thing or not

In Seasons: Summer, Lake and HB, the cubes there are all black

[floral mauve]

should be

[rancid slate]

In The Mill, both Black and White Cubes contain elements from The Lake

In The Cave, her White Cube is in the Lake, looking at the Hotel, in a pov that seems to be in the Cabin

[rancid slate]

Not sure if the Fish appears in her Black Cube (Wiki says it does, but I cant find it)

But the Shrimp appears in the White one

Harvey's Egg also is a Black Cube in Seasons

But when we give a Crow's Egg in Case 23 to Laura, she turns it into a White Cube..?

What was that even supposed to represent 💀💀

[floral mauve]

I forgot about this part

[rancid slate]

Here

Prozac and The Eye item also can appear

@azure bay I remember watching a video of yours that was like a crazy ammount of possible timelines based on Seasons and The Lake

Considering that the Green Gem appears in her good memories in The Mill, does it make a canon event?

[floral mauve]

4 I believe

[rancid slate]

Then both blue and green gem endings happened but its bad memories didnt disappeared

Funny how the Shrimp is considered good even with its head being the reason the CS got there

And the Fish being bad even with it being the reason that saved her with the tree

In Nowhere's video, he says that Laura could possibly used the Blue gem first and then the Green gem

So I think thats why the fish is bad

Cuz it also summoned the CS again

[azure bay]

I suppose. Especially considering that a green gem appears in The Cave with Laura's photo. As if it's the same gem used by her

[rancid slate]

Yeah

[azure bay]

I think it's not about good/bad things but how one felt at the momnt

but I'm not sure that the cubes is Seasons contain the things we've gor them from

they could rather contain the following seasons

[rancid slate]

So Harvey's Egg is in 1964 but it gives us a memory for 1971 with a Shrimp/Lake in it?

[azure bay]

a memory of summer 1971. Shrimp/Lake may or may not be literal or affect the mood that much

or the cubes themselves may mean nothing

[rancid slate]

Funny how the Cube Metro changed to not have Cubes at all until The Lab update

Sorrow Cross only appearence

[azure bay]

you mean my old idea of a train traveling through cubes?

[rancid slate]

I mean, it was the hint in The Story Continues

[azure bay]

ah

yeah, that feels like a red hairing

[rancid slate]

Imagine a cube that contains 3 years of length (Sorrow Cross)

[azure bay]

why not

I believe Laura lived for 17 in hers

[rancid slate]

These were 4 cubes 👽

[azure bay]

honesly, I wouldn't be so sure

[rancid slate]

These were 4 memories 👽

[azure bay]

Laura had only 2 cubes extracted

and they contained everything

including William's life

and god knows how many more

[rancid slate]

It also contains all Mr. Owl's credit card information

[azure bay]

only if Laura or William saw it

[rancid slate]

Do you think there will be another Albert focused game?

[azure bay]

I'm almost sure there will

Albert screaming flashback seemed like a teaser

"Rose's story continues"

and Albert didn't do anything big yet

[rancid slate]

We also didnt got the "Bees werent enough" from the og TPW

(Another reason why Albert is like he is)

[azure bay]

I have a small suspicion that "Bees weren't enough" was a wishful thinking on Ellesian's behalf

it's possible that the devs were speaking in general what the game would be about

[rancid slate]

So we have atleast 3 more games

[azure bay]

alternatively it's possible they'll reveal something with that bird-like CS harassing him. It's apparently important

[azure bay]

maybe more. Second Maze was hinting at something brewing

and we are promised to revisit 1981 and 1966

and who does escape in Rusty Lake Escape?

[rancid slate]

Rusty Lake Escape? 😭

[azure bay]

a sneaky vague reveal on a roadmap

[rancid slate]

Oh

That one

Its the final game where everyone escapes and dance with a goofy credits scene

https://tenor.com/view/stan-twitter-westernwlnd-shrek-shrek-ending-scene-i-believe-gif-15418624193818038328

[azure bay]

https://tenor.com/view/batman-adam-west-batman-dance-gif-19857769

[rancid slate]

I wish there was any hint for a Mr. Crow game

[azure bay]

you mean another behind the scenes explainer or some actual story arc?

[rancid slate]

Arc

Or just before 1859

[floral veldt]

Guys, do you understand how the Eilander's sacrifice works?

I assume thry were going to kill Jakob - Caroline went in his place - They killed her, extracted her memories some how, and then threw the cubes into the lake

But the lake refused, and it was jakobs job to go around and find a cube within each plague

Like the cube in the frog stew

I presume that each time they sacrifice to the lake, the family goes through the 10 plagues and finishes with the death of the firstborn

They were supposed to kill jakob but caroline volunteered. That messed up the ritual since she was not the first born

So then they were forced to go through it again this time jakob being killed for good

Now, how do they extract memories? And how are some of caroline in the second person?

I know mr.crow extracts Laura's after she died. She went through the clock and once the trauma was removed she became corrupted

Mr. Owl did the same. Asking harvey to kill the guests and removing their memories.

[honest brook]

I don't think the ritual was messed up, it looks like the cubes appeared when they killed Caroline

[rancid slate]

They didnt, her memories appeared after she died

[honest brook]

But then Jakob used the cubes instead

[rancid slate]

While David was just a baby when Caroline left Jakob, we only see she being sacrificed when David is already grown up

[floral mauve]

ye its not an immediate thing so technically Jakob still has some time to live

if he stayed

[rancid slate]

And the plagues basically start some time before the game starts

[floral mauve]

I believe Caroline recently died when it was stated at the beginning of the paradise

[rancid slate]

Yeah

[floral mauve]

thats the whole thing of requesting Jakob to come back

[rancid slate]

While the 10th plague being his death, I dont think it was the case when they first tried to sacrifice Jakob

[floral mauve]

ye seems like a second chance

plagues

[floral veldt]

Then how would the ritual work?

Kill someone and get enlightenment?

[rancid slate]

Yeah

Thats it

[floral veldt]

Why would they choose jakob then? Isn't it awfully similar to the game's ending?

[floral mauve]

on the day of the lake

[rancid slate]

Because Jakob was the one The Lake requested to

[floral mauve]

this is where the most argument from

[floral veldt]

How so? Where can I see it? I will play paradise again soon

[rancid slate]

The game implies that

Its not told

They sacrifice Caroline and The Lake gives them Plagues cuz thats not what it wanted

[floral veldt]

So the lake is an entity of it self

[rancid slate]

Yeah, I think

[floral mauve]

not sure about this

[floral veldt]

That opens a lot of possibilies i hadn't considered

[floral mauve]

this is not definite but implied

we still havent got a definite answer for the plagues

[floral veldt]

But the lake asking for jakob, and then demanding the death of the first born...

[floral mauve]

Jakob was the first born

[floral veldt]

I know

[floral mauve]

so whats the problem with that

[rancid slate]

I think its more safe to say it was like
"Hey, Lake, we are going to sacrifice Jakob and you enlight us"
"Ok"
And then they sacrifice Caroline instead
Lake: Hell nah, you said it was Jakob

[floral mauve]

we dont know how plague works but it has been a thing before, does that mean someone also sacrificed the wrong person and redeemed as well

there isnt a confirmed correlation between the two yet

[rancid slate]

They sacrificed the Mammoth

[floral mauve]

fair

[rancid slate]

And Harvey was enlighten

[frozen creek]

What if William didn't die but Mr. Crow instead?

[azure bay]

a special person on a special day. probably after a series of plagues

A firstborn on the day of the lake

and they should probably be related to those to be enlightened

[rancid slate]

So Laura was born in the Day of the Lake accourding to UB?

[azure bay]

no, I think it's the day of Dale/Laura ritual

and it's coming

[rancid slate]

Mr. Owl saying this for something that will happen only after 37 years 😭

[azure bay]

he killed the guest for something that will happen in 44 years

[rancid slate]

Did he?

Or he killed them to get the info?

[rancid slate]

If every Cube needed an owner, who would that White Cube belong to?

Lake memory?

Like, give the 5 guests's memories and in return get a White Cube

[azure bay]

if you are speaking of the cube in the end of Hotel, my guess is, it belongs to all 5 guests. RLU seemingly confirmed collective memories

[rancid slate]

Mr. Rabbit just couldn't wait for his salvation ig

[rancid slate]

Prozac was given to Laura by TWD

Atleast since 1964

So

Why didnt Mr. Owl just

Y'know

Extracted her memories there

Instead of doing the whole thing

Is he dumb

Is he stoopid

No wonder he doesnt know how to craft the elixir

[azure bay]

is there a lore reason?

[rancid slate]

Mr. Owl is canonically dumb now 🗣

[azure bay]

that's a good question to ask to the devs

[visual vapor]

Critical damage

[rancid slate]

*Mr. Owl starts crying
"I JUST DOING THE BEST I CAN 😭😭"

[visual vapor]

BAHAHAHAAAS

[vivid bridge]

because the devs hadn't thought of that

[azure bay]

to be fair, they may have do that. Maybe not about TWD but about her trip to The Lake

[vivid bridge]

That was a newspaper contest she won, though

which might even be how Owl selects his "victims" usually

Laura being actually important didn't become a thing until, what, Roots? The Cave?

[azure bay]

but they did want her memories

[vivid bridge]

yeah because they need to feed the lake

[azure bay]

I mean she was in their crosshairs

[vivid bridge]

Well, presumably only mentally ill people would go to a mental health facility

weird ass newspaper contest

"win a stay in a padded cell"

[azure bay]

What I'm saying, they may have thought through why taking her memories only after she died even though she was in their hands even earlier.

And they may have thought that through when they made her actually important.

Introduction of TWD doesn't change much and doesn't require on its own thinking that through

[rancid slate]

Was Laura actually a client of TWD before UB?

I dont remember that much about Clark Adams

And there is no page about him on the wiki,,

[rancid slate]

Only thing I remember about her in the institute is that Mr. Owl tells the doctors that Bob's memories about Laura are important

[carmine field]

Perhaps Mr. Owl and company have been postponing the extraction of Laura's memories until a certain point.

Maybe they wanted to help Laura with her mental issues first in order to prevent her from becoming a corrupted soul.

With Laura's death and Dale's appearance, they may have had no choice but to extract it.

[carmine field]

Laura is not only the person who holds the Elixir formula in her memories, as she is also the Lady of the Lake. Like Caroline, she is part of the process that would make Dale who he was meant to be.

She matters and I think that's why Mr. Owl didn't extract her memories at first.

[visual coral]

Dr Clark is an art therapy specialist, so I would guess that he is the reason she draws her memories

[azure bay]

We don't really know what it means being The Lady.

And chances are, Laura became one after UB

Preventing her corruption when alive seems like a nice spéculation though

[azure bay]

ahem... The fact that the wallpaper is an asset reuse makes me think the same about all the rest
#📯｜rl-announcements message

But they say it's a year old

[rancid slate]

Samsara Room mentioned

Albert game maybe maybe who knows maybe maybe

[azure bay]

mentioned where?

[rancid slate]

The old TPW

Had some SR stuff

Right?

[azure bay]

somewhat

but I'd expect the goat wallpaper in that case

[rancid slate]

Oh wait

The TV has 4 things

So 1433 could go in it ig

[glass finch]

I don’t know so much about the lore of rusty lake, so I wonder what was the lore behind rusty lake hotel

[rancid slate]

What exactly?

[glass finch]

I know that evry character is a part of the eilanders butt like, why was the hotel built why should we kill them

[honest brook]

I think Mr Owl killed the guests to get revenge on the family for trying to sacrifice Jakob and Caroline

[glass finch]

I had that as a theory butt I didn’t think it wast that

[rancid slate]

He probably killed them in trade off for the White Cube, the future of the Lake

[glass finch]

Also what is the difference behind all the different kinds of cubes?

[honest brook]

the black cubes are bad memories, the white cubes are good memories, the blue cubes apparently change the past, and the golden cubes seem to represent the future

[rancid slate]

White Cube in Hotel shows the future probably because the Corrupted Souls realm is mostly inside the Lake, which is timeless, therefore being able to show the future

[glass finch]

A ok, butt do we sacrifice Laura memories to like “feed” the lake?

[honest brook]

in The Mill, it seems to be something like that

[glass finch]

Ok!

[rancid slate]

Her Memories are thrown in the Lake, then captured again in Cave to create the Golden Cube

[glass finch]

I kinda new to Rusty lake lore, I have been playing it for a while butt never cared about the lore, until now

[glass finch]

Okk

[rancid slate]

Not sure if they are the same from the Mill tho

Dont need to be

[glass finch]

Mhm

[rancid slate]

Only thing I could think about with 1422 is The Chapel being built in 1384

Also weird how Laura used 1487 and 1421 to her safes

I guess she really likes numbers close to 1400s

[barren cove]

It's Harvey's birthday /j

[azure bay]

(and @glass finch )
honestly, revenge may not be the reason.

Avenging himself doesn't make sense because he was the true winner of Paradise
Avenging his mother doesn't make sense because her death was always her plan sacrifice or not
Revenge in general may not make sense because the guests don't really act like Eilanders as if they were legit reborn with no memories and thus are innocent

The main goal of Hotel was a white future cube with Dale

[rancid slate]

Not sure if this is important

But

The music used in the Tik Tok post for this puzzle is a variation of the music that plays in Seasons - Summer AKA the season that the black cube is obtained by putting the Shrimp from the Lake in the furnace

Oh, same music used in the Instagram story too

Coincidence or intentional? 👁️

[honest brook]

I doubt that means anything

[visual coral]

I feel like it could end up being like the Christmas puzzles we had last year
Just puzzles for the sake of puzzles

[rancid slate]

No no no

Its actually lore relevant

Christmas is a major event in Roots

So important that they composed a soundtrack for it

[honest brook]

"Christmas at the Mansion"

[rancid slate]

And then didnt used

😭

Tomorrow is UB anniversary..

She's ready

[glass finch]

Oooh

[glass finch]

I played rusty lake hotel countless times butt never cared and the endless

Does all the cube escape games take place under the hotel!?

[rancid slate]

No

[azure bay]

physically, 4 of them do

[rancid slate]

4?

Paradox, Bday, Theatre and?

UB?

[azure bay]

The Cave

[rancid slate]

Alr

[azure bay]

at least 1 level

[glass finch]

Butt you see the detective go up in an elevator up to the hotel, and he is coming from the lake where you see floating cubes and a bunch of trees, so do you in some cube escape games

[rancid slate]

Yeah

[honest brook]

The Mill, for example, doesn't

or Arles, Harvey's Box and Case 23

[rancid slate]

He takes the elevator down in the end of Case 23, Mr. Owl protects his way to the Big White Cube, where Dale lives the event of Paradox

Then goes up in The Cave, looking at the cubes of Bday and Theatre

[glass finch]

Butt the ending of hotel you see him go up an elevator to the hotel

[rancid slate]

Yes

[honest brook]

exactly, that's where Birthday and Theatre take place

[rancid slate]

Hotel ending shows his arrival basically

[glass finch]

So he goes down to case 23, and Mr owl protects him to the cube, where he comes to paradox, butt ist he like kidnapping to paradox to like face is trauma, and isn’t he stuck there, like when he gets out it all restarts?

[honest brook]

Paradox seems to be some kind of test

[rancid slate]

Yeah

[honest brook]

I think he completed it eventually

[rancid slate]

The forest and Lake that appear in Paradox are not the real thing

[honest brook]

Right, it's all a simulation basically

[rancid slate]

In the secret ending of Paradox, he gets the Golden Cube isntead of drinking the vials

[glass finch]

Just realised that I watched all your lore vids and it help a lot

[glass finch]

I only completed part 1 and did that only 1 time

[glass finch]

O

[azure bay]

[rancid slate]

Lake and sacrifice for more cubes like this

Like and subscribe

[glass finch]

Im sure to Sacrifice!

[glass finch]

What is the lore behind Arles and The Theatre and the underwater part in The cave?

[azure bay]

Arles is Vincent van Gogh going back to his memory cube and doing something

mostly a summary of his final years

[honest brook]

Theatre seems to explain the six realms of existence, and in The Cave, Mr Crow combines the three cubes to form the Golden Cube

[azure bay]

Actually, not every cube could be used to create the golden one

these were specifically Laura's cubes containing William's memories of elixir elements he used

[honest brook]

I know, that’s why I said “the” cubes, they contain the elements

[azure bay]

I still think it's worth mentioning

[honest brook]

So it was shown in the first cave painting puzzle, right?

[glass finch]

O huge Thank you!

[azure bay]

yes, and somewhat reinforced in the book. Both Laura's cubes and the golden one bare the elixir insignia

[glass finch]

So it really doesn’t matter so much to the rusty lake lore?

[azure bay]

it doesn't matter to the central story

but gives some IRL references

[glass finch]

Thats cool!

[azure bay]

we can extrapolate a state of mind of a well-known real person onto the concepts of this fictional universe and its characters

and there's a theory that van Gogh's mental issues were being cured in the Hotel

[glass finch]

Mhmm

[rancid slate]

Erm actually Van Gogh is Robert Hill

-Someone

[azure bay]

speaking of the last level of The Cave, it is about Mr. Crow preparing Dale and apparently Laura for the elevator journey before they compete for enlightenment. He likely launched Paradox inside their minds and when it was over, created the golden cube and sent Dale up to the Hotel. Along the way Dale is to revisit his memories in order to be ready for the final ritual.

Theatre is one of these stops and it's so Dale learns about the universe and its possibilities. Notably what he may become in the end.

[rancid slate]

Dale becoming Deva

[glass finch]

Never knew they were going to be enlightened!

[glass finch]

Who da sigma is Deva?

[azure bay]

have you played Paradox?

[honest brook]

It means being the ruler of the Lake it seems

[glass finch]

Yes butt only part 1

[azure bay]

you are missing out

[honest brook]

It’s just Hindi for “God”

[glass finch]

O okay

[rancid slate]

Divine

[glass finch]

Im broke so I can’t buy it 😭

[rancid slate]

👽

[azure bay]

Mr. Owl is the current ruler of the lake but he's not Deva

[rancid slate]

Laura will become

Right?

Right?

Thats what she said

In UB

And what the devs said too

[azure bay]

it's complicated

for 1 the devs refused to elaborate what "the lake belongs to me" means

maybe they don't want to reveal it

maybe they are not sure themselves

for 2, I think she wasn't talking about Dale's finale

I think it's an aftermath much further down the timeline

[glass finch]

O

Does anyone know like the ENTIRE lore?

[honest brook]

Well, I think there’s more that hasn’t been revealed yet

[azure bay]

the devs (but no guarantee)

[glass finch]

There is coming more games also

[honest brook]

Exactly

[glass finch]

Sounds about right

[floral mauve]

biggest cap Ive seen

[glass finch]

Was UB the newest game?

[honest brook]

There’s also Rusty Lake Untold: The Lab, but it’s not really as important to the lore

[glass finch]

Is that a new game?

[azure bay]

it did however reveal some worldbuilding details

[glass finch]

I know it exist butt is it really a new game

[azure bay]

a free tabletop game with its own story

[honest brook]

I suppose it does show that cubes can be of multiple people

[azure bay]

and aren't limited to a single cubical room

[azure bay]

back to this question I think many theorists including, I believe, everyone here right now have a good idea about the part revealed so far

[glass finch]

Thanks to y’all I have a good idea of the part so far

[azure bay]

I mean we understand the released games. You seem not to so fell free to keep asking questions. However, I'd recommend finishing all the games 1st or at least watching a walkthrough

[glass finch]

I have managed to complete all the games butt I never cared about the lore then, so you right that I don’t know that much!

[rancid slate]

A good way to understand the lore by yourself is making a timeline of the events in each game while noticing years and letters

[glass finch]

I could try that!

Thanks

[carmine field]

Complementing about Theatre, I think that not only did it introduce the wheel of Samsara to Dale, but it was also the moment when he learned about memory extraction in practice

[honest brook]

Right, Theatre seems to just be Mr. Owl explaining how Rusty Lake works in general to Dale

[azure bay]

welp, and Bob's story glance for that matter

[rancid slate]

The reason why TWD exists

[glass finch]

Is William the guy who needs help in The cave?

And we’re are playing as Mr crow in that level right?

And William turns in to Mr owl, and I thought that Caroline and Jakob turns into Mr owl

[barren cove]

The guy who needs help is mr Owl

He is in his human form because the elixir is running out or something

[barren cove]

Jakob does turn into mr Owl, judging by Paradise's ending

William just dies

And does some stuff later, but does not turn into mr Owl (probably)

[azure bay]

Prepare your mind for being blown

William

is

LAURA!!!!!

/srly

[royal notch]

[glass finch]

Guess what

I know that

:0

[azure bay]

then why Owl if Laura is there too?

[glass finch]

What?

[azure bay]

☝️

[glass finch]

O

Idk really

[glass finch]

Because ehm… because uhhh…

I don’t know 😭

[azure bay]

I think every theorist must to keep in mind what they believe, why they believe that and what's possible in their framework of beliefs

[rancid slate]

I watched someone play Cave before Roots recently

They assumed the same thing

Probably because if Aldous is Mr. Crow, then William is Mr. Owl

And Laura doesnt look that important

[azure bay]

there are transparent hints

[rancid slate]

I know

[azure bay]

the mural, the photo, Laura's title, the scheme

[rancid slate]

But didnt catched it tho

[honest brook]

Even in The Cave, there's the cave painting, we see William drink the Elixir, become a corrupted soul, and then transform into Laura, there are also many things that show William is Laura in the book

[rancid slate]

Yeah

When I played it first, I didnt cared about it either

[azure bay]

Yeah. I've got Stigmawood complaining in her comment section about the devs withholding info from casual players behind secret levels and achievements. It seems the thing is deeper than that and I'm not sure whose fault that is

[rancid slate]

Me when the mysterious game has mystery

[rancid slate]

The secrets in Paradox and TWD were not that important tho..

[azure bay]

I disagree about Paradox

[honest brook]

I mean, the secret endings feel a bit important

Some of the achievements as well, like the cassette with Bob

[azure bay]

they are damn important for timeline assembly

and possibly to explain why Laura is alive in the secret UB scene

[rancid slate]

Laura in Cave was connected to Paradox too, right?

[azure bay]

seemingly

[rancid slate]

Alr

But still

Not knowing these 2 endings doesnt affect the understanding of the games

[azure bay]

it does for Paradox

undertanding its place in the continuity is understanding Paradox

otherwise its a detached fever dream with no date

[honest brook]

I personally feel like they do, they show events that are pretty relevant to everything else

[azure bay]

can you elaborate?

[honest brook]

As in, shows a part of the story that can't really be seen anywhere else

[rancid slate]

Which most players dont give much relevance

[azure bay]

can you be more specific? I'm not sure I understand

[azure bay]

which one?

[rancid slate]

Casual

[azure bay]

no, I mean

[rancid slate]

Paradox secret endings

[azure bay]

what don't they give relevance? The continuity or Paradox?

[rancid slate]

Continuity

(The years, dates and stuff)

[azure bay]

I think as soon they recognize that there is continuity they start caring at least about the order of events

the dates only make it more precise but they are not the continuity in itself

UB has no dates but it does fit into the continuity

[rancid slate]

Stuff

[azure bay]

the order of events isn't stuff

it's the basis of storytelling

[rancid slate]

I used the word stuff as etc

[azure bay]

and still, as soon as one recognizes a story it's only natural to become curious about it

about what's happening

and in which order

there are people who don't care about the story

but how exactly many are they among the broader casual group?

[honest brook]

I mean that the Paradox secret endings are canon, some of the secrets in the games are just random events that don't really mean anything, like spam clicking the poster in The White Door Dream 1.
The Paradox secret endings actually add to the lore.

[azure bay]

I see

they provide unique story bits that are supposed to affect understanding of the games

[rancid slate]

Coumt the number of members/followers in all social media of Rusty Lake and compare it to the downloads of the games

[honest brook]

Yes, exactly

[rancid slate]

Should be a close number to people who are interested and people who arent

[azure bay]

ok, I think I see a little misunderstanding. You are speaking of casual players in general, I speak more of casual fans.

Some who download the games may have never played or liked them or played them enough to remember and return when new games come. At the same time you can still be a moderately loyal fan and be rather detached from the media.

[rancid slate]

What do you want me to say? 🐈

[rancid slate]

Most players

[azure bay]

What I'm saying is that casual fans who we usually see and hear, people who are fans enough to be vocal, normally have to care about the story

[rancid slate]

That doesnt change the fact that Dale is Mr. Rabbit and William is Mr. Owl

[azure bay]

and now we are back to my initial thought

casual players, even those who do care about the story, don't recognize hints tossed into their faces

and now I wonder if it's the devs to blame for hiding other hints behind "achievements"

[rancid slate]

Dont forget the free players

[azure bay]

in their case I think I can let Mr. Dale Rabbit slide.

William Owl... not so much

all the pieces are there, in The Cave

but I admit, you need to have a specific mindset to see them

[honest brook]

I feel like one of the points of The Cave is to confirm Laura is William reincarnated

[rancid slate]

I would atleast ask the person if they played the premium game which answers their question before just saying it

Not everyone knows that Darth Vader is Luke's father

[azure bay]

I think it's a bit more than that. It's to recontextualize the lore dump of Roots and tie it to Dale's/Laura's story being in full swing

[azure bay]

Oh no! Really?!

/jk

[honest brook]

I know it has a lot more, I’m just saying that’s one of the aspects it has

[rancid slate]

Sorry man, I should have asked if you watched Star Wars 5 first 👽

I consider Laura's death a spoiler too 🐈

[gleaming mantle]

This isn't really a theory but a detail I noticed, but in paradise (plague gnats and lice) the flowers you need to get the cube are the colors of all of Caroline's kids hair
The red rose is Elizabeth
The orange Jakob
The light orange David

[glass finch]

Thats like the qoute of the day

[rancid slate]

Some crazy stuff I thought about today:

*I will be calling the Unknown CS from Roots "Frien"

Harvey and Frien once were a duo, or knew each other (Or simply were chosen for a special event). But one day (Maybe in the Mammoth game), Frien dies and the Harvey turns into Asura (Or maybe Frien could also turn into Asura, but later on get corrupted). They keep having contact, maybe even in the Hotel? With both tending to help and guide other characters like we have already seen Harvey doing

Somehow, Frien could also be a friend of Albert or even William. Maybe thats one of the reasons why Albert really is the way he is (Frien helps us in Roots to get Masks that are used by Albert to become "evil". Like, he is inducing Alberf to commite violence)

Now for William, some people may know the unused year of his birth which could have been his extra level instead of the Elixir. As for Aldous, Ida, Caroline and Jakob, we get their birth dates in Paradox, but what about William? Why did they chose to not reveal it already? With that in mind, I thought about William's birth date being later on repurposed for something else. We know that both of the brothers know Mr. Owl, so if Frien also has some presence in the Hotel, William could also know Frien and that could explain why they help us in Roots

1799 is very close to 1796, so I wouldnt doubt if Mr. Owl met Aldous and William while they were still young too

Oh yeah, and my main reason for saying that Frien could have been in the Hotel is just cuz they gave us the Deerskull

(Assuming it is either Mr. Deer's skull or Mr. Deer's deerskull from the wall)

.
However, Albert still uses the Deerskull after his death, ressurrection and Rose also keeps it

And even Rose wears the Winter Mask, but doesnt shows evil behaviour

Not that all masks make you evil, but Albert still uses the Winter one in other "evil" occasions

[carmine field]

looks like a cool headcanon

[visual coral]

If you'll ever be posting fanfics on ao3 - please let me know :D

[glass finch]

Isn’t Aldous Mr owl

And how does William become Mr owl?

[azure bay]

We've been over that. William never becomes Owl.

And Aldous is Mr. Crow

[azure bay]

I've been wondering what this manifestation of Laura means.

• We know that Dale was to collect cubes.
• We assume that Owl could orchestrate them for him.
• We know that how he got the black cube was confirmed in TWD.

But unlike teleLaura accepting poop eggs Bob was somewhat making sense.

[glass finch]

O yeah I forgot…

[glass finch]

I meant to say crow

[carmine field]

The TV generated a beam of light, so I guess it's not a normal TV

[azure bay]

I suppose. It's not enough to rationalize Laura tho

[carmine field]

Still on the subject of TV, we must remember that Dale spent months gathering clues about Rusty Lake and, if we take the puzzle literally, it all culminated in TV channels

The most reasonable conclusion I can think of is that Dale got the TV during his investigation into Rusty Lake, or the TV was modified by Mr. Owl's magic and somehow Dale noticed it

It's part of a test

The first one actually

By the way, if we consider that Dale appears with a beard in the secret scene of TWD, this means that he picked up the white cube last

So at that point he already understood that he needed cubes

But Laura in the TV is really really weird

Perhaps it is a way to highlight the connection between those tests Dale was doing and Laura's whereabouts

But what breaks me is the cube

Would I be dreaming too big if this scene eventually appears when they finally contextualize Seasons?

She receiving an egg from Dale in exchange for a cube to solve a puzzle

@azure bay

[azure bay]

The biggest problem I have is the chain of actions

Shaven-hair-crow

Poop egg

None of that makes sense looking like gameplay and/or weird stuff for weirdness sake

But if we just ignore them, it ends up as if Laura just gave away the cube

With no challenge

[carmine field]

Yes, it's all weird

I tend to believe that Dale shaved his beard and somehow got the egg somewhere

It's a test, so maybe it could have been provided by Mr. Owl?

Ignoring all the weirdness, of course

[azure bay]

Yeah, I believe so too but the test and the gameplay seem to be the same thing

Even if we suppose that Dale got the egg while scavenging for lake-related info, why would he take it?

Unless

Unless Dale asked Laura for her memory too

And she asked for an egg in exchange

[carmine field]

👀

[carmine field]

He wouldn't necessarily have needed to catch the egg, the egg could have been summoned to the police station suddently

[azure bay]

But where's the test?

[carmine field]

Yeah, there you got me

Although the part with Bob wasn't even a proper test

He just asked for the memory and got it

[azure bay]

Knowing what to ask seems a challenge enough

[carmine field]

hmmmm

I think figuring out the channels too

[azure bay]

Not so sure here

I recall Paradox film just showing him the right channel

What I moderately hate, is that black eggs are seemingly treated the same no matter the source (Harvey or a crow)

[carmine field]

At least on Laura's side, since Dale getting to her channel was thanks to him uncovering what was behind the files

[azure bay]

Fair

[carmine field]

The black egg in Harvey's Box...

schrodinger egg

Both a parrot's egg and a crow's egg

[azure bay]

And the same could be applied to teleLaura

With a little fetch

Are there other examples?

[carmine field]

also a cat's egg

[azure bay]

That's the one I mean

Ah

I've got the joke

[carmine field]

[carmine field]

I don't remember any more, I can check the wiki

[azure bay]

How was the secret egg in Pardise called?

[carmine field]

https://rusty-lake.fandom.com/wiki/Black_Egg

[carmine field]

one moment

"crow's egg"

ah

I'll check it out on a video

yeah it's "crow egg"

without the 's

[carmine field]

If the games treat the black eggs like this, then maybe we should treat eggs like this as well

[azure bay]

Not completely sure

Sometimes they look the same and once they act the same-ish

[carmine field]

hmmmm

[azure bay]

Was it crow egg in Case 23?

Or just black egg?

[carmine field]

I'll check rn

just

"egg"

Well, I think the only times Harvey's eggs and crow eggs get mixed up are indeed in Harvey's Box and Case 23

Going to sleep now, discussing was fun

[rancid slate]

Is that the Laura Vanderboom Cube Escape Case 23 Rusty Lake Case 23 Cube Escape gif I made

https://tenor.com/view/laura-vanderboom-cube-escape-case-23-case-23-cube-escape-rusty-lake-gif-5827833450042649973

[rancid slate]

The Beam appears in a lot of places too: From the Theatre Lady, The call from the Future in Seasons, ofc Mill, Bday and Roots, maybe even the Beam from the Future created ths Golden Cube in TPW

[rancid slate]

I presume it was a Crow Egg since the cat had to eat a Crow

And I actually checked all Black Eggs

9 eggs in all games

Case 23 is the only one to have 2

The one in Laura's house and the one in the Investigation

Seasons: Harvey's Egg
HB: Crow's Egg (Cuz Mr. Crow)
Murder Scene: Harvey's Egg (Cuz Harvey)
Investigation: Crow's Egg (Cuz Crow)
Theatre: Harvey's Egg
Roots: Crow's Egg
Paradise: Crow's Egg
Paradox: Harvey's Egg
TWD: Crow's Egg (Moon secret)
UB: Crow's Egg (School St)
.

What I found weird again is Harvey's Egg giving a Black Cube and Crow's Egg a White Cube

And then in Roots we use a Crow to make the White Cube Black

The White Cube recipe seems to be a reference to The Lake

[azure bay]

But also HB's egg makes sense if laid by Harvey

[rancid slate]

Harvey + ? = Aldous
Aldous + Mill woman = James

Not it all makes sense!

[floral mauve]

mega sus

[rancid slate]

https://tenor.com/view/smilingfriends-boss-tiny-hands-up-season-2-gif-12296056204251662294

Mr. Crow: This is a mini version of me, Laura

[carmine field]

The thing is, Laura has a connection to Harvey's eggs, so it's expected that the game treated the egg as Harvey's

And as for the Harvey's Box egg, it only makes sense that there would be an egg there if it was Harvey who laid it

Ah

nowhere said that

[rancid slate]

If Harvey appears in 🦣 Id expect maybe some kind of explanation for the Black Eggs

And goin back to my Frien thought

If Frien is also another crow, they could somehow be the "reason" (idk)

[carmine field]

So far Frien has shown no connection to Harvey, so I have no idea

[floral mauve]

I was wondering who the hell is frien cuz I only know frieren

[honest brook]

I think they were referring to the bird corrupted soul from Roots

[floral mauve]

I know

I had to look up

[visual coral]

I guess we're calling it Frien from now on

[floral mauve]

idk

[azure bay]

I think It's Mr. Crow from the future

[rancid slate]

Rip Mr. Crow

[rancid slate]

While it is the most plausible speculation

I think Frien being a different character would be cooler

But that made me think again

Lets say Frien is indeed Corrupted Aldous

CA

[carmine field]

That's what I tend to believe

But what sucks is that this CS never appeared again

[azure bay]

we don't have much evidence about it being Crow. Only a portrait in a chapter we see it in and it's not even that strong. I still think it's Crow but I'm not too attached and will easily change my mind in view of new evidence

[carmine field]

Same here

[rancid slate]

Sorry, I had to do something and didnt finished my thought 👽

[rancid slate]

The CA would be the one to have a CS style voice, taking the phone in The Mill and also to Laura. In CA timeline, something bad happened, maybe the whole Dale and Laura plot failed and he had to go back to the Past to help in our timeline

The reason why CA would be "helping" Albert is for something else. Without Albert, maybe the Future wouldnt be the same, therefore making him actually crucial to Mr. Owl's plan

[royal notch]

Like giving some kind of distraction for Albert, whose corrupted soul would make a mess once killed by Frank. I theorizhed the same conclusion, but i was too scared to share it.

[rancid slate]

Our Mr. Crow wouldnt go to the The Mill, as we see him in Theatre (Assuming the 1971-1972 thing in The Mill is actually a relevant info)

But he would still later on get Dale in the Chapel

And also do Cave

[rancid slate]

*Crazy thought

Forgot to say that

Every time I use the term Crazy, it will be like 99% no Evidence

[rancid slate]

The portrait was there because Aldous lived there + It is there so the player can check who is lying or not (Lying Game)

[azure bay]

The portraits are usually placed more stratigically

when they are needed

[rancid slate]

Then why both William and Aldous portraits are in the Hotel Station?

👽

[azure bay]

that's more a reference

in Roots they usually have some purpose

even if it's being a red herring for puzzles

[rancid slate]

Why would in The Uncle a potrait with William and Aldous appear?

[azure bay]

I suppose to introduce them and the rebirth ritual before we get to their journals

in Communication William's portrait points to the protag's identity

in The Stars we look for Mr. Crow in the stars

[rancid slate]

And in Lying game ☝️

[azure bay]

and in lying game it's either a red herring or a hint who is the corrupted Birb

ah no

not red herring

it actually hides a key or a card

the other picture is

[rancid slate]

Thats what I said 😭

It hides a key on its right bottom corner

[azure bay]

but the choice is peculiar

it could probably be any other picture

there are many

[rancid slate]

If Aldous picture also appeared in Masks, it could be

[azure bay]

I'm not saying it's a strong piece of evidence

but there may have been reasons not to place the portrait in The Masks

for instance, the lack of other uses

back to what you were saying about CA

[rancid slate]

Aldous portrait = Its Mr. Crow
Corn Cookie, 1969, Pigeon, killed = Not Mrs. Pigeon

👽

[honest brook]

What would the picture of William that appears in the last level be for then

[rancid slate]

For its initial

I think

Or the sacrifice

[azure bay]

reminder about the end goal, I suppose

[azure bay]

too specific guesses for the lack of evidence

assuming a different timeline

assuming Dale-Laura failure

[rancid slate]

I forgot to say it was a crazy thought at the beggining

[azure bay]

if CA would've come from the future, it could be simple due to his death

like Owl is to become a fish, Crow could become a CS

[rancid slate]

I gave a reason for its failed attempt and to go to the Past

It would be like Terminator but for another reason

He goes to the Past to prevent John Connor from existing

Aldous would go to the Past to make sure everything turns out the way it was supposed to be or something

Because

He didnt knew what to do

🗣

[azure bay]

nah, he's doing nothing related to Dale

he's creating a disaster

[royal notch]

I think that Albert's corrupted soul would be highly dangerous (as seen in the Lab), so in a failed timeline (for this reason or any other) Mr Crow gets corrupted, finds a blue cube, and goes back at least before James' arrival, and makes sure to help Albert in having a goal that would keep him occupied until a far point in time, where he can't be a trouble.

Or even be useful.

[azure bay]

guys, we have no reasons to assume failure so far

and even it takes place why would Crow go corrupted because of it?

[rancid slate]

What 1 year without new game does to a man

[royal notch]

Only the assumption that it's Mr Crow's corrupted soul.

[rancid slate]

Yeah

Why else would he die

[azure bay]

it's an assumption built on another assumption witch gets you to rationalist hell. There's no apparent connection between failure and corruption while corruption could be caused by any reason including simple death

[rancid slate]

Naraka aah theory

[royal notch]

I mean, i don't see how Mr Crow's death wouldn't be close to a failure. For the simple fact that he actually goes back in time. But again, it all starts with that assumption.

[rancid slate]

I hope Frien is a new character,,

[azure bay]

He will die. Eventually. At least Mr. Owl implies that he himself will. Why would Crow be any different?

[honest brook]

But then why would he go back in time?

[azure bay]

I think any corrupted soul would do something like that eventually

[royal notch]

I'm just saying that i find strange (once again, assuming that corrupted soul is his) that he would be back there.

[rancid slate]

If we only use evidences and 100% facts that are true, then its not a theory, it just turns into a huge info dump

[azure bay]

or at least those ambitious enough

[azure bay]

assumtions are inevitable. Except if you detach yourself from evidence too much, you become more and more likely to end up wrong

[rancid slate]

If I said before Paradise "Uuh guys what if the guests are Mr. Owl family?" How would you reply? "Theres no evidence that suggests that"

[azure bay]

there are

even beyond the masks

[rancid slate]

Before Paradise?

[azure bay]

there was no Owl's family before Paradise

[rancid slate]

Exactly

[azure bay]

I think such reasoning is faulty

without evidence you can tell whatever

but guessing the right direction is nearly impossible

chances are, you wouldn't even think that Owl had family

[rancid slate]

Why not

[azure bay]

there were many other topics you could develop instead

[rancid slate]

If Mr. Owl is William, Mary is Ms. Pheasant and James is Mr. Deer

And Mr. Rabbit is Dale

Cant forget that one

[rancid slate]

The intention is not guessing whats right or not, tho

The intention is just sharing ideas for how things could be, usually

And some of these explainations or mistakes (literally a missed take) are very common

Even when there are evidences saying a "Big No!" to that

[rancid slate]

Examples ☝️

There certainly is people out there that believe Seasons takes place during The Cave or that Paradox takes place after Theatre, and Dale killed Laura

Are they wrong?

Or they just didnt got to know everything?

We right here dont know everything either

The story isnt finished

So

I can conclude that

In fact

Mr. Rabbit is Dale Vandermeer 👽

[azure bay]

My intention is reviewing what's possible in the framework of existing evidence (and opefully make 1 successful guess out of 10).

There are enough possibilities around their interpretations and combinations already. Detaching yourself far from them is not even necessary to be lost and is almost guaranteed to end up wrong

[carmine field]

👆

[carmine field]

It's not that they're wrong, they're just unlikely ideas, based on what we know at the moment

It's always better to support ideas with evidence

because going too far is not so productive

There is enough evidence for us to believe without any concern that Theatre takes place after Paradox, for example

The opposite could eventually become true, but would have to overturn the evidence we have now

[glass finch]

I didn’t understand a single word you said

[azure bay]

There's the intended lore created by the devs.

It's not perfect. It may have plot holes, retcons and even deliberate ambiguity to make theorist do theories.

There are games that reflect that everchanging lore in its temporary state. They feature facts, some of which are hints for theorists.

And there are theorists who interprete facts looking for hints among them.

Hints that theorists see may be interpreted in different ways and sometimes even be false alarms. The interpretaions theorists make may differ. Interpretations of different facts may support one another, be in conflict or simply coexist.

By collecting non-contradictory interpretations you get a bigger picture of the headcanon which is an attempt to guess the lore in the devs' heads.

Because each fact can be interpreted in multiple ways and each interpretation may coexist with many other interpretations, numerous combinations of the bigger picture are possible.

What I was saying, you can be lost in them.

But if you start introducing interpretations based on no facts, you go further from the devs' minds into your own.

IMO opinion thorizing is in its best when a theorists strives to syncronize their mind with the devs because only then they get at least a small chance to guess their intention. Otherwise there's none

[glass finch]

Really like how you are trying to help me, butt I don’t speak fancy and don’t know what”interpretations” and “deliberate” mean

Im not a smart guy

[stark rose]

to simplify-
interpretations: different point of views
deliberate: think about

[glass finch]

Thanks dude

[honest brook]

In this context I think “deliberate” means “intentional”

[stark rose]

true.

[glass finch]

Butt there are more words I don’t understand, maybe I need to read a dictionary or something

[rancid slate]

@glass finch erm, "butt" means "ass", I think you are trying to say "but" 🐈

[stark rose]

but ass means donkey.

[honest brook]

The general meaning of the message they sent is this, I think: the story is hard to understand. There are different versions of the story people can think of, so the best way to figure out parts of the story is to have theories that have a lot of evidence and could be what the creators are trying to show, as opposed to thinking of theories that don't really make any sense or don't really have much proof.
I think that's what he was trying to say

[visual coral]

Long story short - making theories without evidence gets you nowhere
||badum tss🥁||

[glass finch]

Now it makes much more sense, thanks!

[glass finch]

No, I didn’t mean to say “but” 😈

[rancid slate]

😨

[azure bay]

Basically yeah. I was also making emphasis on the evidence providing a ton of options on its own opposed to complete freedom that stretches into infinity

[odd hornet]

I was infodumping about rusty lake to my partner and realized just how much the plot (ESPECIALLY Bob+ Laura) parallels Vincent Van Gogh.very interesting

[carmine field]

I would love to read you comment on those parallels

[honest brook]

Maybe that’s why they made Cube Escape: Arles

[rancid slate]

At the end of the day, Arles will always be the most important Cube Escape

[floral veldt]

I like to imagine how his contact with the cubes drove him mad

but argh, cubes are so compliacted

and TPW makes it more complicated even

[azure bay]

I think TPW finally makes them clear and I don't think it's too complicated

[floral veldt]

we know cubes represent memories, we can enter them, and interact with the elements in them.

But then how did the past rose and corrupted Albert put the future inside a cube?

that must mean that each cube is not just a memory but also a whole reality

[honest brook]

It seems that golden cubes show the future

[floral veldt]

oh! that could be it!

[azure bay]

they can't be literally "the future", they can't belong to the same timeline because of the ending

[floral veldt]

and once they start timetraveling and exit the cubes they reach the space between them

[rancid slate]

Golden Cubes are Cubes that look Golden

Thats what they do

[azure bay]

I think we should look at these not so much as containers but portals to other timelines

[floral veldt]

I think of the lake as the space between cubes, the space between realities. and so, exiting the cubes, exiting the known realities is what enlightenment would be

[azure bay]

and it is in TPW-UB but not elsewhere

[floral veldt]

the lake would be nirvana, it would be the final destination. where people "blossom" where all realities of yourself become one

[floral veldt]

yes it's very weird!

I assumed the lake to be naraba, a punishment and where souls repent their sins

Dale's journey in the elevator could be it. He enters the bday memory, alters it, and it becomes white.

[floral veldt]

yes! they are not containers, more like windows into other realities,

after all, "I think, therefore I am"

if someone thinks in a memory, as we do many times, then that memory should exist

not as past but as it's reality

but then

if the lake represents "the multiverse" where all realities exist, and time does not work normally

what would the surface be?

would the hotel people, mr owl, mr crow, harvey, be playing as gods?

[honest brook]

Well, we see that the elevator in the lake leads to the hotel

[azure bay]

another window to any reality you originally belonged to?

[floral veldt]

an Olympus of some sort

at the end of UB mr.Owl mentions how the day of the lake is getting closer. I assume they are going to sacrifice dale, or perhaps try to enlight him.

either way, he is important to mr. owl for some reason

[honest brook]

I think the Day of the Lake is when the Lake decides who dies and who becomes the next ruler. Either Laura or Dale

[floral veldt]

the whole concept of the lake being a sentient entity does not sit right with me

[honest brook]

In Paradise, it certainly seems to be the case