🤔｜theories

[azure bay]

Seemingly so

[vivid bridge]

nothing is confirmed with UB, that game is way too vague

[azure bay]

Personally, I tend to trust notes and spoken dialogue

[untold stump]

Yeah the Devs don't really have a reason to lie to us

[azure bay]

Except for the moments when it makes no sesnse

Like a parrot befriending Dale before he was important

[vivid bridge]

we don't even know what the train is or when or how the game takes place or anything like that. Saying "it's confirmed that harvey used the train to timetravel" is wack

[azure bay]

It's not what I'm saying

||I'm saying that the train depicts Harvey moving through Laura's timeline. From some point he travels back and forth just to get all the way back and meet Owl||

We can't take UB literally but we should consider its narrative core

It's a bit like Roots

[vivid bridge]

its nothing like Roots

[azure bay]

Hear me out

[errant estuary]

||laura lived inside the metro system /j||

[azure bay]

At the time I couldn't take some events literally. And still can't to some extent.

A game of chess doesn't look to be the way to settle down a vendetta. Especially considering that Frank lost the 1st game.

TPW kinda confirms that there was a game after all. But still I don't think it was how the devs depicted it

It's a pantomime

UB is just taking it to extreme

[vivid bridge]

UB is utterly incomprehensible with its "framing device"

[azure bay]

We couldn't play it if it wasn't

It has a clear narrative

A clear message

We finally know the reason of Laura's death

Some aspects like ||Harvey the asura and the pickpocket|| don't really fit the bigger picture but the rest are ok

[vivid bridge]

[remote remnant]

so does ||Laura get back to life in UB||

[thorny wedge]

my personal assumption was that she ||reincarnates somehow||

[azure bay]

That's basically Seasons

Now we seem to know a bit more about that old game

[vivid bridge]

well, there's two endings, one which continues The Cave/Paradox, with Laura being semi-alive again? But there's also the main story ending Laura, who... uhhhh... idk

[remote remnant]

i think that Ch.7 takes place directly after seasons

[azure bay]

I'd say, before the ending of Seasons

She says ||that she's ready to live a new life without sorrow||

I think that's it. Getting to normal in spring 1964 and living her life differently up until winter 1981, as seen in the ending

[royal notch]

And perhaps even further.

[azure bay]

And perhaps even further

[remote remnant]

what

[errant estuary]

||i think that in paradox she was “cemented” as corrupted, and then afterward, she creates a time machine||

[azure bay]

There's another chapter after Paradox that will probably explain Laura's deal

I think they're getting there

Hachiko finally gets to see that

[remote remnant]

||so she is depressed,dies,then goes thru seasons and reverses her death and then she gets reincarnated and goes in the elevator||

[azure bay]

Maybe, maybe not. I personally doubt that

I bet on Seasons taking place after Dale's whole story

[remote remnant]

idk i feel like UB and TPW gave much more questions than answers

[azure bay]

TPW gave a very important answer

How cubes and the reality work

[remote remnant]

yeah but i feel like albert being revived and the whole game was very confusing

[azure bay]

I expect Albert to be the antagonist in the future

1st I wasn't sure

Now the ARG screams about it

[remote remnant]

whats the arg about

[azure bay]

Best Kept Memory shenanigans

In 2004-2023

It gave an insight on how Rose got to TPW

Probably a teaser for a new game about that

[remote remnant]

i hope mr owl gets a bigger role in the next game

and we get more insight on ||the day of the lake||

[azure bay]

If it's about the day of the lake and Dale's ending, I think Owl's role will be prominent

[remote remnant]

i think this game will bring most of the major characters together

[azure bay]

It's been teased for a long time

[remote remnant]

idk i want a game that will give us an actual answer

to some questions

[azure bay]

For instance?

[remote remnant]

what is the day of the lake

why was albert revived

is laura alive

[azure bay]

According to Paradise, the day of the lake is the day when you kill the 1stborn in exchange of enlightenment for everyone else.

Probably it's preceded by 9 plagues.

Maybe it has some other magic happenning and Owl can use the day in a bit different way.

[remote remnant]

who do you think they'll kill?

[azure bay]

I'm almost sure an elixir ritual will take place

In The Cave the golden cube was created using William's memories of elixir just like in Paradise Caroline made the elixir in the same way to enlighten Jakob

Dale and Laura will likely consume this elixir

One of them will die, the other will be enlightened

Probably the green vial ending will come in action and Dale will be able to choose Laura instead of himself (maybe it already did and that's why they are both technically alive)

[remote remnant]

and where does albert tie into this

[azure bay]

Idk. Maybe he won't. Maybe he's an adversary for the far future.

His revival takes place in 1984 after all, 12 years after Dale's journey

Or I wouldn't be surprised if he can time travel now. Not that I'd like that

[remote remnant]

yeah but maybe the elevator has a different time than the real world

[azure bay]

The elevator is said to take place in 1972 on different occasions

Case 23 is summer 1972 for the most part

The Cave is winter 1972

BDay/Theatre are both 1972 before Dale gets into cubes

I expect him to resurface the same year

[vivid bridge]

maybe UB is Laura's version of Paradox or something

her ending in the simulation is her realising she has another chance while in the real world, she enters the elevator

but why would it be from Harvey's perspective

Harvey's role makes no sense

[azure bay]

I would consider that if the role of Owl was prominent

Paradox was to teach Dale some lessons

It was created by them

And UB seems to be about Rose and Harvey

[vivid bridge]

well, its about Laura dealing with her trauma regarding her mother

Harvey is just kinda there for unexplained reasons

[azure bay]

He's there because Rose asked him to keep an eye on Laura. That doesn't sound like Paradox

[vivid bridge]

Okay but I can't figure out what else the game would be. The train as a framing device makes no sense

[azure bay]

It doesn't and I think it doesn't have to. The devs said they just wanted to depict someone's life as a metro and Laura just happened to be the ideal candidate

[vivid bridge]

but that goes against the whole point of the series

literally rusty lake's whole thing is that they have a framing device to tell backstories, the cubes

and that they're an in-universe thing

you can't just tell a story with a train framing device while also having it tie into the real world like that

[azure bay]

I think they can if they want

[vivid bridge]

and I can call it bad writing

[azure bay]

But objectively it's not. It works on its own and we can make it work within the series

It gives some clear and very important answers

It makes Laura a whole character, connecting Roots to CE series through her

I would never expect ||Rose to be the suicide reason||, I'd keep trying to justify why it's Dale's fault as it was depicted in Paradox and yet this answer is so simple and understandable. It's just elegant

[remote remnant]

||at the end i think Rose sacrificed her own soul so laura can live another life||

[azure bay]

Maybe but I have doubts.

||"my mother is there for me" wouldn't she feel abandoned again otherwise?||

[azure bay]

Again, just to be clear. I'm not fond of this decision either. I'd prefer a more blunt approach too.

But the game isn't bad, I agree with the devs that the metro gimic is interesting. And yes, it won't stop us from trying to fit it into the bigger picture

[vivid bridge]

You can have a game be told through a metro and still have it make sense in the overall narrative. But no matter how I think about the game, there is always one detail that doesn't fit so I can't fully place it anywhere

[ivory girder]

||the multiple types of trains|| make me think that they do try to fit this in the whole universe

[ivory girder]

we gotta wait for more games ig that's what they always do

[vivid bridge]

but no other game was this vague with it all than UB

[ivory girder]

i mean seasons on its own is pretty vague

but it is the starting game

[vivid bridge]

seasons used to be the most vague

[ivory girder]

maybe this is a start of a new era

[azure bay]

I wouldn't be so sure. You don't like them introducing new Owl's businesses, and I don't like them introducing new rules and exceptions.

I'd really prefer the metro not to be another elevator.

[remote remnant]

i just hope it doesn't become like Fnaf where the lore becomes too complicated and stretches too far

[vivid bridge]

you can have the metro be inside corrupted laura's head or inside the paradox machine or something

instead they don't explain it at all and its also inconsistent

[vivid bridge]

we've already reached that point lol

Albert has basically gone through the same process as Afton

[remote remnant]

nah because RL needs more intrigue than fnaf

[azure bay]

The most fun thing, the devs said they had ideas of TPW and UB while designing Albert

[thorny wedge]

oh nah albert dying and being brought back was perfectly in line with his agenda. peepaw afton has died once possessed himself and burnt down twice and now we also have the mimic to deal with

rusty lake lore is certainly confusing but its not fnaf levels of infuriating

[vivid bridge]

I meant the comparison more as in turning a mysterious serial killer into a comically evil kidnapping mustache twirling mad scientist

[vivid bridge]

true lol

[remote remnant]

And i also hope RL doesn't turn to sci-fi too much

[ivory girder]

at least we are probably finally get the continuation of hotel it's closer to 10 years since the game 😭

[vivid bridge]

trueee!

[thorny wedge]

fair enough, but i feel like it fits a lot more into rusty lake, where rl is much more fantastical and through being surrealist can afford to be exxagerated in certain aspects

[azure bay]

I think he's still mysterious. Even more so than ever. I don't know what to expect from him in the future

[vivid bridge]

I've waited for Dale to reach this damn hote lore 8 long years

[thorny wedge]

not to mention that as far as we know the lake fuels and/or requires suffering and evil

[remote remnant]

tbh i dont really get why albert was revived

i also dont know how or when the games will end but i think we're reaching the conclusion

[vivid bridge]

They haven't done anything with it yet, which sucks

[thorny wedge]

i mean its been one game

[azure bay]

With what?

[vivid bridge]

albert being revived

[ivory girder]

yeah this is more of a new chapter than anything icl

we just gotta wait

[remote remnant]

i like the period from seasons to hotel the most

[vivid bridge]

TPW was kinda advertised as the return of fan favorite albert and then the whole game was just you reviving him

which is disappointing

[azure bay]

Idk how could they. It was just a game ago

[vivid bridge]

it doesn't help that the games take a year to release nowadays. This episodic storytelling really drags on

[azure bay]

I really liked the ending. And it was crucial for UB

[remote remnant]

the whole game was confusing (TPW)

at least for me

[ivory girder]

tpw took times to understand but it's really cool

[remote remnant]

i would much rather get more dale lore

[azure bay]

Honestly, I prefer things that way because I barely have time to cover new games coming in the videos

[remote remnant]

or find out what happened to bob

[vivid bridge]

well yeah okay, you're a special case, though

I'd personally enjoy shorter games that come out more often

they should hire me. i'll make some games for 'em

[ivory girder]

i don't think we're gonna get those soon cuz the next projects we know of so far is hotel continuation and mammoth game which wouldn't work with just like 15 minutes of gameplay

[vivid bridge]

yeah I know

[thorny wedge]

as much as i'd love some more shorter games like some of the cube escape thrown in between the releases cause theyre honestly my favourite i cant deny that to me the longer experiences pull much more emotional weight

[azure bay]

Do we consider Case 23 short?

[ivory girder]

we gotta have a completely new set of characters for new short games

[thorny wedge]

id love to see a newer take on the shorter form with how much the team had grown

[ivory girder]

hmmm

kind of

[vivid bridge]

This! I'd love for them to start a new story after the dale one wraps up next game

and smaller games would be perfect for that

[thorny wedge]

i know logically its not that short but im so used to it and it feels like such a non commitment to play through it plus its packaged with the shorter cube escapes that i wanna say yes

its middle length how about that

[azure bay]

It didn't really grow. There are still basically 2 of them plus community managers, freelance voice actors, composers and sound designers

[thorny wedge]

i meant experience wise

[vivid bridge]

it also doesn't help that flash is dead

[thorny wedge]

definitely

[azure bay]

Nah, it didn't affect them that much. They still use some Flash variation that doesn't require browser support. Only TPW was an exception because it deals with 3D

[thorny wedge]

right now the franchise has a lot of different bits and pieces of lore to explore which just takes time now that the games take longer to come out, with shorter games you can do a laura one, a dale one, crow/owl one, vanderboom focused one and keep all of them relevant even through they're yet to be interconnected

[remote remnant]

we should get a short game just explaining what happened to bob

[vivid bridge]

like, after the white door?

[remote remnant]

yeah

[vivid bridge]

I know. I meant it more like its one of the reasons they stopped doing free flash games (outside that they probably wanna get payed)

[thorny wedge]

with longer games if you make one focused on albert/rose like twp and laura like underground blossom its just a commitment you have to make to not really highlight dale for a while

[vivid bridge]

He lived his life, I guess

[azure bay]

I'd prefer an explanation of not TWD afterlath (It's more or less clear) but the Theatre-Case 23 gap in Bob's story and Owl's plans concerning him

[remote remnant]

so is the secret ending cannon?

[thorny wedge]

yeah i mean after his memories were changed he probably didnt have much going on

[remote remnant]

good for him

[thorny wedge]

yeah

[remote remnant]

the end of UB is in 1984 right?

because it also features the ending of TPW

[vivid bridge]

but the ending of TPW is kind of outside of time itself

[ivory girder]

who knows what happens in the lake

[vivid bridge]

I know but I ain't telling you

[ivory girder]

cuz like ending of hotel is also in the lake

[azure bay]

It's complicated. The lake is a place where time does nit exist but for Laura it would probably be 1981

[remote remnant]

would be cool for the next game to have the eilanders be present since it will most likely take place in the hotel

[azure bay]

Dale still needs to deal with the guests

[vivid bridge]

The alternate ending with Laura in the elevator takes place in 1972

[azure bay]

Yeah, that one is for sure

[remote remnant]

honestly since dale's story will most likely end in the 1970's idk what albert will even do

[thorny wedge]

since he only gets revived in 1984 i can only guess that not that much

[azure bay]

It doesn't end. Dale will likely replace Owl

[vivid bridge]

Albert builds a time machine and travels back in time to eat a mammoth

[remote remnant]

and what will happen to Mr.Owl

[vivid bridge]

turns into a fish

[ivory girder]

🐟

it will probs not be that literally

[azure bay]

Probably not right away

[azure bay]

I think it will. That's how samsara is meant to work

[remote remnant]

mr owl should become a human again and just go away

[ivory girder]

mhm

[remote remnant]

to live his life

[thorny wedge]

yeah my guess is the fish are just a manifestation of fear for dale so its the form mr owl showed him that to imply whatever it is that will happen

[untold stump]

Btw about that we saw in ub ||the lady who gave Bob the coin in twd, she gives the bone cube. Considering that several people in TWD are redundant ( the taxi driver also letting you in the soul club), who were here to direct Bob to TWD,do you think that means Owl had like agents surrounding not only Bob but Laura as well, and those could be a lot of the side characters of ub ?||

[ivory girder]

i think it's just a cute lil easter egg

[azure bay]

No, I'm sure it is literal. We see Jakob as the past life, Owl as the ptesebt one and the fish must be the future

[thorny wedge]

i know the other two are literal but i just dont see it that way. its a surrealist series i'm perfectly fine accepting that the fish aren't literal, especially since dale is specifically stated to have a phobia of them, the scene never came across as literal to me, the image of the mute manifestation of fear just came across as some form of being gone or powerless

it totally could be literal but i dont see how being a literal fish should be inherently more likely

so for now thats my reading of it

[vivid bridge]

Jakob about to enter his slutty era

[ivory girder]

harvey's box is still a weird ass game

[thorny wedge]

and i love that for her

[vivid bridge]

its the worst one gameplay wise but the story and vibes are pretty neat

[untold stump]

I just saw that as a "Owl will return to the Lake" in his future, whether that means death or something else

[azure bay]

It is one for sure. But sometimes it can be quite literal. Especially when it makes sense. And the fish makes it perfectly. It's about samsara and rebirth and you can be reborn as an animal, in the realm literally represented by a fish in Theatre

[thorny wedge]

he could be ✨swimming with the fishes✨

[remote remnant]

Imma be real Jakob should just turn to his human form and walk away when dale takes his place

[ivory girder]

it would be funni if they just let owl be a fish but revive albert

like fish. end.

[vivid bridge]

I hope Dale/Laura's deva form isn't just an animal head

I know the one book has a deer head but i'm holding out hope

[thorny wedge]

he should get a government-funded pension hes been working for years

[remote remnant]

centuries

[azure bay]

I think it's already revealed as such. We saw VanderDeer twice. I just think he'll be more powerful

[vivid bridge]

let me cope

[azure bay]

What can be destriyed by truth should be destroyed by truth

I want to believe that the sky is green if the sky is green.

I want to believe that it's blue if it is blue

[thorny wedge]

i mean we have the deer symbolism for dale. we have the deer symbolism for albert. i say mr owl retires and those two battle it out for who takes over the lake

[untold stump]

Yeah but Deer imagery was really linked to like blood, Albert had to have the deer skull to kill Ida and Samuel, and Nicholas wore it for sacrifices. What do u think that means for VanderDeer ?

[remote remnant]

chess battle

[azure bay]

Albert's deer is different

It's diabolic

It has nothing to do with enlightenment

[untold stump]

It's Nicholas' skull, who seeked enlightenement with it. Or maybe they were just reusing assets ?

[azure bay]

It could be. But we need evidence to be sure

[ivory girder]

it's weird that the thief looks oddly similar to nicholas like of all character designs why would they reuse that

[errant estuary]

||it seems like she’s paranoid rather than depressed, but antidepressants is often prescribed for anxiety||

[thorny wedge]

well yeah just like albert and dale are different, albert is obviously trying to reach some form of enlightenment or another powerful state, through all the suffering it may bring, while dale just kinda stumbled into it and now may have to take over the lake, mayhaps in order to prevent albert from getting there

[azure bay]

It's not about the character difference. It's about different concepts using the same imagery

Different magic systems

[thorny wedge]

and then something something i dont even know how to factor dale's theoretical corruption into there

what do you mean by different magic systems

[untold stump]

Yeah Albert has a deer skull whereas Dale has a deer head

[errant estuary]

||maybe deers represent obsession?||

[remote remnant]

but why is laura taking the elevator if dale is the successor

[errant estuary]

|| battle||

[thorny wedge]

ascension may not be inevitably linked with enlightenment or taking over the lake, its hard to say

[azure bay]

||we see Dale taking off before we enter the cube||

[remote remnant]

so here's my theory if what you said is correct

[vivid bridge]

It would be cool if the finale had you play both Dale and Laura and you could switch between them

[remote remnant]

What if seasons are just laura's versions of memories like dale has in theatre and birthday

[errant estuary]

yeah

that’s what i am thinking as well

[vivid bridge]

the problem with seasons is that a 1981 memory exists, even though she died in 1971 or something. Even disregarding where that memory came from, the game has to take place after 1981

[azure bay]

They work the same way but I think they have a different purpose. Laura stays to live inside them

[ivory girder]

u sayin this just remind me that there's the whole bee and butterfly thing

[remote remnant]

the mill takes place in 1972 and in it Mr Crow turns laura into a corrupted soul

[azure bay]

She's shown to live inside the cube for about 20 years. In that case she could hypothetically extend the cube beyond the time of its creation

[thorny wedge]

oh yeah i forgot about that

[errant estuary]

because at the start of it, we get asked what we remember

[vivid bridge]

I don't think she stays inside the cube for 20 years. She jumps between different snapshots with the cubes

[azure bay]

In the ending she doesn't jump

She has no reasons to

It's over

A new life without sorrow

[remote remnant]

but if Laura gets revived at the end of UB why would she go to the elevator instead of leaving the lake and living a normal life

[vivid bridge]

thats the thing, I don't get how both endings of UB can happen

[azure bay]

I do

Either she just gets into the elevator

Or the main ending takes place after she's sacrificed for Dale

Well, UB doesn't change a thing here, honestly

That duality was in the series from the start

[vivid bridge]

I feel like the laura storyline is weird. William dies, gets reborn, Laura dies, gets reborn, is like "yo i'm so based and cool, I have another chance" and then she dies again I presume and then lives inside her memories?

[azure bay]

Just accept cube timelines and everything will be perfectly fine for Laura in the end

Because memories are no different to the reality

And the reality is a cube too

[vivid bridge]

i'm okay with her living inside her memories (would be nice if the games confirmed that, though). I'm more talking about the constant death and rebirth

Especially after Laura's speech in UB

[untold stump]

Laura got reborn so much she found a glitch that allowed her to ||take over the lake||

[thorny wedge]

fr

[errant estuary]

ok so this is my interpretation
||laura dies, likely due to paranoia||
||dale begins to investigate case 23, but things start to go wrong||
||laura’s body is sent to the mill to get her cubes harvested||
||laura becomes corrupted from this, and fucks off because she’s confused or whatever||
||bob gets arrested after he shot himself, because he’s the only lead around that isn’t nigh incomprehensible||
||dale becomes obsessed with case 23 because of how odd it is||
||dale has a brush with mr deer, and has to go down the elevator||
||he gets stuck in paradox||
||somehow, he managed to escape by getting into the elevator again, and he starts his literal ascension||
||much later, laura comes to at the sight of the bee/butterfly, and she collects up her memories||

it’s not the best but it’s as good as i can think

[vivid bridge]

||she ends up in the white cube house at the same time Dale does so UB has to happen before that I guess||

||which is why Mr. Owl is in his diving suit||

[errant estuary]

hm

[azure bay]

UB revealed the reason of Laura's death

[vivid bridge]

||mommy issues ||

[errant estuary]

HELP

||i thought it was that she got overwhelmed||

[vivid bridge]

||it was a number of things but her missing mom doesn't seem to have helped her situation||

[azure bay]

It was placed in the center

Dr. Clark said ||the issue is in the past, prozak will help to understand||

||prozac evokes dreams about Rose leaving her||

[errant estuary]

||and that bob is sad||

[vivid bridge]

he's always sad

[azure bay]

||the final question before she dies
"Where did she go? Will I ever know?"||

||she was clutching Rose's portrait to her chest all that time||

[vivid bridge]

||Would be cool if Laura could meet Albert||

[azure bay]

And just punch him in his face

[vivid bridge]

good

please

[errant estuary]

||it seems it was a slew of things, such as abandonment, isolation and fear||

[ivory girder]

do we think that the corrupted soul that dale saw before entering the elevator is albert for sure now

what's blud doing there

[azure bay]

That has to be Mr. Deer before redesign

[vivid bridge]

yeah

[ivory girder]

hmmm

[vivid bridge]

wait what redesign?

[errant estuary]

oh it’s definitely mr deer

[azure bay]

He looks different since Hotel

[errant estuary]

“DALE I WANT BOOZE”

[ivory girder]

they gotta release an update for the old games man 😭

[thorny wedge]

"dale. dale don't leave dale. dale i can't make myself a bloody mary with these hooves dale dale help"

[errant estuary]

i’m sorry but now i can’t help but think of mr deer/nicky as an alcoholic

[thorny wedge]

i think he would be unreasonably snobby about wine

[errant estuary]

gerard eats, nicholas drinks

[thorny wedge]

the sustenance brothers

[errant estuary]

twist nicholas was drunk when he tried to sacrifice jakob

[feral fox]

Honestly half of Rustylake normal residence must take drugs of some kind

[cold plover]

Yeah, usually when a series has several games (FNAF... other examples 😭), the information presented in some of the later games is generally considered a little more because by that point the creators have a more fleshed out idea of where they want their story to go. Not that Seasons and the Lake and all those games aren't important, but it's always a little harder to fit them in, especially since this is the first time a game has focused on Laura since The Lake

[feral fox]

yeah the devs def have a more set plan rn

makes me wonder what comes next

[cold plover]

I'm kind of excited for their next game. There's been a specific teaser that's been around for a while, and based on the date present in said teaser the next game could be EXTREMELY important. (Top left of second photo.)

[floral mauve]

well, according to q&a, this project is not close (I would believe they dont have the plot made yet)

[cold plover]

Aw man.

Still excited for this specific one, whenever it comes out. It dates so far back that the only possible thing I can think of is the story of how Rusty Lake came to be.

[thorny wedge]

or somehow overdoes it with the time travelling /j

[cold plover]

that would not surprise me.

[thorny wedge]

the concept of dale specifically fucking up like that and dealing with a prehistoric setting is really funny to me for some reason

like he'll see he's surrounded my mammoths. he looks into a pond, seeing his reflection. "i'm a bit cold. i'd like some coffee" he says. coffee had not yet evolved.

(nevermind i checked and it had but you get my point)

[cold plover]

Well actually, pretty sure any time-travelling that we've seen has been in the form of a flashback or an alteration of a memory. I think the only real in-world time travelling (if you can call it that, I don't know how this works) is when Past Rose and Future Rose merged timelines.

[thorny wedge]

yeah probably

[errant estuary]

dale going to 1384 to stop them from making the chapel

https://tenor.com/view/struggling-to-go-ashore-national-geographic-a-young-penguins-first-plunge-trying-to-go-ashore-trying-to-climb-up-gif-24412443

[thorny wedge]

i thought of another haha concept but i ended up making myself sad with it

[errant estuary]

what?

[thorny wedge]

dale going to the past before he was born and meeting his parents. at first i was like haha funky hijinks to not upset the timeline and prevent my own birth but like considering what happened to dale it would mostly just be sad

[errant estuary]

i want to know about the vandermeers

[thorny wedge]

same

[errant estuary]

i don’t care if they were just roped in, they seemed so sweet

[feral fox]

Isn't Dale corrupted as of now? :(

[cold plover]

(This probably won't happen but would be a cool idea if it did.)
||Once whatever the fuck happens to Laura after seeing Past and Future Rose happens, she says, "The lake belongs to me now." It would honestly be kind of cool to see a competition for the "ruler of the lake" between Dale and Laura.||

[errant estuary]

||true||

[cold plover]

Yes but I don't think it's in a bad way like it usually is. Jakob and Aldous seem to be encouraging him to embrace his corrupted soul.

[thorny wedge]

yeah this situation is more complex for sure

with him being told to embrace it and such

[remote remnant]

||lake battle?||

[errant estuary]

how do you think dale looked at nine i want to draw him having a happy birthday

[feral fox]

I honestly want the lake to consume everyone, as if it's its own entity

[thorny wedge]

i cant imagine him without the facial hair

[feral fox]

He was probably more happy

[cold plover]

The only thing that's really confused me about the timeline so far is The Lake. If Laura did indeed commit suicide, then she either survived the attack or the green gem ending is canon.

[alpine hollow]

ok so i just finished the game, and i can say that this is albert, that takes rose to the "past within" am i right?

[vivid bridge]

yeah

[royal notch]

Move to the thread!!!

[feral fox]

I believe being near the lake warps time

[cold plover]

Either that or they just take them somewhere else and she waits until 1984.

[untold stump]

I don't think Dale and Laura would be against each other given Paradox. They're forced to be here because of Owl who wants them to compete ( or rather Dale to win ) but Dale and Laura seemed kinda like they wanted to help one another, in one ending Dale literally sacrificed himself for her. So I think they'd be more likely to unite against Albert or even Owl who wants things done his way

[errant estuary]

probably survived but it exasperated her problems

[cold plover]

To be honest, Mr. Owl's motives are strange, but I don't think he has bad intentions. I'm not sure what his plan is though, we'll just have to wait and see.

[floral mauve]

well, ehm you can only against owl if you are alive right

[feral fox]

Mr. Owl isn't the smartest ngl

[thorny wedge]

we've already discussed that owls aren't that smart innit

[feral fox]

This would all be fixed if Laura had a gun

[thorny wedge]

YES

[covert wyvern]

🇺🇸

[cold plover]

I am modding Underground Blossom so she has a gun from baby to adult. You did this.

[errant estuary]

||he just wants to retire so he can be a slutty fish||

[cold plover]

Wait how do i mod games?

[royal notch]

Move to the threaaaaad!

[feral fox]

LMAOO PLSS

[covert wyvern]

Yeah, spoilers, please, people.

[alpine hollow]

now heres the thing, if albert is this corrupted soul, how is he dead in the cabin and alive after the past within?

[untold stump]

That's more likely Mr Deer

[cold plover]

That's what it sounds like, but it doesn't entirely explain why he's so interested in Laura. That's the reason he was experimenting on Robert in The White Door, and ||I'm assuming it ties in to whatever happens to Laura after going up in the elevator in UB.||

[floral mauve]

ye

[alpine hollow]

is he mr deer then?

[errant estuary]

“please give us guns we can be trusted with firearms”
-laura vanderboom, bob hill, vincent van gogh grandpa (can be trusted), miss pheasant and mr rabbit

[floral mauve]

no

[cold plover]

Nicholas Elainder is Mr. Deer.

[thorny wedge]

to be fair grandpa knew exactly what he was doing

[alpine hollow]

nice, my theory is blossoming hahah

[feral fox]

so true

[untold stump]

A resurrection of him, yeah

[cold plover]

To be fair, Grandpa ate with that gun.

[thorny wedge]

like "haha, boom" so true king

[alpine hollow]

so it was him that took rose in undergound blossom?

[thorny wedge]

i dont think he was involved in there at all

[royal notch]

Move. To. The. Thread.

[alpine hollow]

what

[thorny wedge]

yeah my guy mark your spoilers

[cold plover]

No. It's believed that the corrupted soul with the actual antlers is Mr. Deer, and ||the corrupted soul with the deer mask is Albert.||

[alpine hollow]

these are theorys, not the lore i guess, so its not necessery

[floral mauve]

incoming bonk

[alpine hollow]

go study

[royal notch]

@alpine hollow There's a subchannel for UB.

[covert wyvern]

.mute @alpine hollow 1h no you will find it is required

[sweet zephyr]

clebinho5588 was muted.

[thorny wedge]

but in those theories youre stating what happens in the game

goddamn

[errant estuary]

legend

[covert wyvern]

Please stop spoiling your other community members, the next mute is 24 hours.

[floral mauve]

[cold plover]

literally work king 🙌 🗣️

[feral fox]

slaying

[thorny wedge]

quite literally

[errant estuary]

mr rabbit said: “mr owl said it’s my turn with the pistol” to miss pheasant

[thorny wedge]

||sibling bickering but turned up to 100||

[feral fox]

I really gotta replay the red games

[thorny wedge]

same

[cold plover]

There's something else that confuses me. You know how the corrupted souls with animal features are considered to be the 5 hotel guests, right?

[thorny wedge]

||mr owl is like if eldest daughter syndrome but evil ||

[thorny wedge]

i always assumed that was the case right

[feral fox]

Yeah the ||eilanders||

[errant estuary]

||he fucking grounded them after they ganged up on harvey||

[floral mauve]

ye? whats the problem

[feral fox]

||Who is Harvey to Mr. Owl?||

[thorny wedge]

||thats one hefty grounding||

[cold plover]

So if Aldous never died, ||who the hell is the corrupted soul with the crow head that we see in Roots?||

[thorny wedge]

i wish we knew. harvey is truly just there

[errant estuary]

a work buddy probably

[feral fox]

Real interesting

[floral mauve]

good queation thats left unsolved

[errant estuary]

||he’s cosplaying||

[cold plover]

HELP LMAO

[thorny wedge]

wait where is that exactly

[floral mauve]

also according to devs, it might reappear later games

[thorny wedge]

||i only remember a shadow, is there a soul too?||

[cold plover]

Hang on, searching for it.

[feral fox]

||The souls all have the same voice, so my theory is that maybe all the souls have a same hivemind? The lake? ||

Like bees in a beehive

[thorny wedge]

oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[feral fox]

its obvious, but not confirmed

[floral mauve]

not hivemind no

[thorny wedge]

i like that||, through mr crow also seems to have the same voice, at least in mill||

im not sure we get him with normal voice acting

[floral mauve]

Caroline William do have their own memories

[feral fox]

But maybe also others memories? No?

[floral mauve]

I doubt as their is no sign of it

[cold plover]

Quite a few parts, but the two I remember are in ||the second level of the game and Albert's portrait.||

[floral mauve]

same voice doesnt mean same memories

[thorny wedge]

alternatively they may lose their sense of self to the lake overtime as they dive deeper into corruption

[floral mauve]

I see no correlations between the two

[feral fox]

||Being apart of a hivemind doesn't mean you lose memories, only gain, which is exactly why they're collecting cubes?||

[floral mauve]

as I said, where do you get this

[feral fox]

||The cubes hold memories, which owl and others are collecting||

[floral mauve]

they collect cubes is that they have to satisfy the need of the lake

lake needs it

[floral mauve]

ye

[feral fox]

The lake could want memories, and if everyone starts to be apart of the lake

[floral mauve]

maybe

[feral fox]

||wouldn't they start sharing the memories?||

[floral mauve]

doubt

[cold plover]

Honestly, I don't know if the lake needs it, rather than it wants it. Explanation incoming, give me a minute to type.

[errant estuary]

||i think that it’s more that they become more animalistic and hurt||

[thorny wedge]

||the first one always seemed like just a shadow/silhouette to me, i cant track down the other one rn though||

maybe he was really going through something for a bit there

[floral mauve]

ye, they are in constant pain and thats most likely why all of them want to escape that state

[errant estuary]

||yeah, a lot of them seem confused and upset||

[floral mauve]

and violent

[errant estuary]

||aside from caroline i don’t know why||

[feral fox]

The scp needs to investigate asap 🤔

[cold plover]

My theory is this: ||Based on how the characters describe the lake, things like, "It belongs to the lake," and, "The lake will be grateful," makes me think that lake has some level of almost sentience. The lake has some sort of plan, not to benefit itself, but rather to do something that needs to happen in our universe. Sort of like a destiny.|| That's just my take on it though.

[floral mauve]

some are more rational for some reason, I suspect it might have something to do with their imprisonment

[thick quail]

It's the lake "sentient"? Idk how to put it in words, but I've always thought that the lake it's kinda like the hotel overlook from the shining

[feral fox]

Yeahz that's my theory as well

The lake is its own

[floral mauve]

I dont think lake has a plan, more like lake demands stuff and you have to please it, otherwise bad things will occur

[errant estuary]

yuhuh

[thorny wedge]

||might be either her death was too fresh or she just had some extent of control over the lake as for being the lady of the lake||

[cold plover]

A lot of them were murdered, committed, suicide, or had their most precious memories taken away. Understandable.

[errant estuary]

yeah

[thorny wedge]

it definitely seems somewhat sentient though, like an old, slow, eldritch being

[feral fox]

Has there been any specific non human/non animal monsters in rusty lake universe?

[floral mauve]

ye

[errant estuary]

no

[feral fox]

Hm, not yet 🫡

[floral mauve]

depends on your definition of monster

[feral fox]

Non human looking

also happy spooky month everyone

[floral mauve]

I mean lake could be

[cold plover]

Yeah, maybe you could count the tree since it literally murdered two people, Whomping Willow lookin' ass.

Sentient tree monster.

[floral mauve]

that ehm, too I suppose

also

[feral fox]

lmaoo

[floral mauve]

the trees probably didnt kill Rose

[covert wyvern]

|| the metro is the lake monster ||

[cold plover]

I am mortified.

[covert wyvern]

Disclaimer that even though I am a Rusty Lake employee statements I make are not canon for the games

[cold plover]

||Leonard and Frank.|| I'm assuming it didn't kill Rose because it, yknow... gained sentience ||in order to rebirth William.||

[thorny wedge]

of course, good to have you goofing around with us ✨

[floral mauve]

||Rose seems to be happy to be able to blossom, she reached a harmony start||

[errant estuary]

||did laura have a formal job or did she just do art?||

[feral fox]

do you have all canon knowledge on the lore of the game?

Or only parts?

[cold plover]

I'm not sure actually.

[covert wyvern]

I've got nothing!

[errant estuary]

debate’s on

[thorny wedge]

she could be the most unhinged art teacher around

[feral fox]

That makes working there more interesting I would bet :)

I think Laura was studying maybe for uni or college?

Or getting a late degree?

[thorny wedge]

very possible but she lived well into her 30s didn't she? it would have to be a late-ish degree i think

[cold plover]

"Hello, students! Today, we'll be learning how to SACRIFICE YOUR MEMORIES TO THE GREAT LAKE... through art!!!" :D

[errant estuary]

||hey kids today we’re gonna draw the ghost that took my mom, that’s right, he made her leave me at four||

[feral fox]

||well makes sense if she was in a special class in UB||

[errant estuary]

||so i’m making a callout post on twitter.com||

[floral mauve]

I think at 4 same year as Birthday

[cold plover]

this is reasonable all teachers have a tendency to tell their entire life story for no reason

[errant estuary]

damn i’ve never had that happen

[untold stump]

Albert Vanderboom, you have a small jar! It's like the size of this walnut except way smaller !!!

[floral mauve]

oh you mean those two, ye they dead as f, jk, I actually feel sad for them especially Frank

[errant estuary]

HELP

[floral mauve]

I hope they are still alive

[feral fox]

Imagine if they all had social medias in rustylake

[covert wyvern]

To be fair, || school street offers some interesting insight considering the pupils wear uniforms, that sorta potentially narrows down where Laura could be residing ||

[thorny wedge]

||your cousin pulls you out of a well only to be like "aw hell yeah i can sacrifice this"||

[thick quail]

I took art classes for a while and my teacher would share the most incredible, sad, heartbreaking, depressing, traumatic things he had lived when he was young so this isn't that crazy lol

[floral mauve]

with dog piss

[cold plover]

||Bro spent most of his life at the bottom of a well and he finally escapes only to be murked by a literal tree a few years later||

[thorny wedge]

to be fair where would she get water. ||there's a guy in the water well /j||

[errant estuary]

i refuse

https://tenor.com/view/copium-cat-gif-27161395

[floral mauve]

legit live next to a lake

[thorny wedge]

are. are you really gonna drink that

[feral fox]

Frank: "How is my future looking?"
The tree, "Well, boy"

[errant estuary]

do not drink the mr owl bath water

[floral mauve]

idk, if I am thristy

[cold plover]

Don't drink the magical sentient lake water. Ever.

[cold plover]

STOP

[floral mauve]

I will

[feral fox]

I would try the lake water ngl

[floral mauve]

owl soup

[feral fox]

looks scrumptious

[thorny wedge]

i have a feeling that if you drink from the lake you ain't gonna be thirsty ever again. one way or another

[feral fox]

We can all eat and drink everything at least once

[errant estuary]

||plot twist everyone just lost it from drinking the lake water||

[cold plover]

Ooo I just thought of something. ||What memory do you think the golden cube that Dale has is?||

[feral fox]

||The lake is filled with drugs||

[errant estuary]

||enlightenment speedrun any %||

[cold plover]

HES USING A WALKTHROUGH

[untold stump]

Like the blue cubes, I don't think golden cubes hold memories

[feral fox]

Cube escape: Escape the 4th wall

[thorny wedge]

thats just paradox again

[errant estuary]

||jakob snorting the magic dust and then he witnesses his mother burn||

[feral fox]

||Imagine how mr Owl is doing, when he's been drinking from the lake for years||

[cold plover]

1. ||Go in a weird repeating green room and watch your parents fucking die.||
2. ||Watch your parents fucking die again, then save them (not in real life though, they're still dead).||
3. ||Watch some random drunk guy fucking die, then try to murder you.||

[thorny wedge]

||no wonder uncle gerard's a bit out of it we've been feeding him shit burgers for two games straight||

[cold plover]

||The gold cube in The Past Within contains the memory of Future Rose in 1984.||

[untold stump]

It's not a memory if it's the future

[thorny wedge]

its debatable when youve got future in the past and past in the future

[errant estuary]

the nightmare blunt rotation
that’s it that’s my paradise theory

[cold plover]

Considering ||it was created using energy from 1984 it very well could be. It's in the future for Past Rose, but not Future Rose.||

[feral fox]

Time is a weird thing in the universe

[cold plover]

happy 4th of july guys check out this cool firework

[feral fox]

Even if there's a clock, you can always go back in time

[thorny wedge]

also like do shrimp live in rusty lake. cause if not how are they importing them in he 19th century. and they must've been doing it for a while to the point it's their signature delicacy. THE rusy lake cocktail. where are they getting these shrimp. it feels wrong to assume theyre native to rusty lake of all places

[errant estuary]

they just want the bath water

[thorny wedge]

the 10th plague is munchies

[feral fox]

Yes there's shrimps

[thorny wedge]

i swear to god if any of you call it bathwater one more time-

[errant estuary]

i’m sorry

[feral fox]

||I belive in cabin that you fish both fish and shrimps up||

[cold plover]

gamer memory bath water

[errant estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/jason-reed-holding-laughter-icw-gif-23479273

[floral mauve]

you guys getting kinky here

bruh

[cold plover]

HOW

[thorny wedge]

oh right i forgot about that

and also just like a guy

[remote remnant]

me and the fam after burning our mummykins to achieve a higher state of existence🤣

[feral fox]

well, sometimes that happens

[errant estuary]

i imagine that elizabeth is similar to that broken hamster meme

[covert wyvern]

read this as gender memory-

[thorny wedge]

imagine you're fishing in rusty lake and you think you hooked something so you reel in but it was actually one of the trees at the bottom and you pull yourself into the lake

[thorny wedge]

harvey transmasc time

[floral mauve]

too much discord for today

[cold plover]

Actually now that I think about it, what the hell is in this lake because there are also GIANT ANGLERFISH AND FUCKING SHARKS

[thorny wedge]

do you guys think mr bat gets paid. like at all

[errant estuary]

it’s a grown up lake it can get what it wants

[cold plover]

he is paid in moths

[errant estuary]

gold cubes

he is now the most ascended character

[cold plover]

damn those are really hard to make mr. bat got BANK

[thick quail]

Probably with shrimps idk

[cold plover]

i was about to make a 5mil power joke 😭

[thorny wedge]

mr bat being the most enlightened entity around is such a funny concept

[errant estuary]

no thinking just hisshiss

[thorny wedge]

like he could rule the place or stop mr owl's agenda or whatever. but he just really likes being a bellboy getting paid in shrimp

[thick quail]

Sometimes I just want to be like mr Bat

[thorny wedge]

i think we should all try to be a little more like mr bat tbh

man is vibing

[cold plover]

theres an owl and a crow and a bat and a pheasant and a deer and a rabbit and a pigeon and a boar and a parrot THERES TOO MANY ANTHROPOMORPHIC ANIMALS HERE

[errant estuary]

too little

[thorny wedge]

dont forget mr toad

[errant estuary]

i love her so much why is she so shahhshhsjs

[cold plover]

[thorny wedge]

he's the backbone of the hotel

[cold plover]

the one double one the one one cunt

[thick quail]

Does the animals have a meaning? Or they're just silly anthropomorphic animals

[untold stump]

Furry convention be like

[thorny wedge]

we can certainly theorize on meaning of the animals picked but nothing is set in stone i believe

[remote remnant]

my theory is that the eilanders didn't die they are just diehard furries and instead of enlightenment they got life size real fur animal costumes

[cold plover]

It's believed that all of them had past lives as humans. We know at least 7 of them did. Harvey, Mr. Bat and Mr. Toad, not so sure.

[thick quail]

I've never understand why they're animals, like is there a meaning behind that or I'm just overthinking it?

[cold plover]

they surgically changed their anatomy and physical appearances to become animals

[remote remnant]

exactly

[untold stump]

RL is partially inspired by Buddhism and I think that's why ? Very much not sure so if anyone wants to correct me go ahead

[thorny wedge]

its also heavily inspired by twin peaks

and the animal heads appear there as far as i know (i havent watched it yet though)

[cold plover]

Based on ||the masks the Elainders wear in Paradise|| it seems like they know what they'll be in their next lives though

[thorny wedge]

maybe they get to pick their fursonas

[cold plover]

So it's like "I wanna be a fox when i die!" "ok do it"

imagine being enlightened and coming back as an advanced being just to get murdered by other advanced beings

WAIT ||WAS RUSTY LAKE HOTEL JUST JAKOB'S REVENGE FOR SACRIFICING HIM||

[ivory girder]

well

lol

[thorny wedge]

i always assumed that kinda

there may be other more practical motivations ||like making sure they don't take control of the lake but i feel like there's more efficient ways to do that than to feed them to each other one my one||

[cold plover]

note to self don't screw mr. owl over

[thorny wedge]

oh definitely

[remote remnant]

ok but where did he get the resources to build the hotel?

Mr Owl out there chopping every tree on paradise by hand

[cold plover]

didn't it just kind of... ||show up after jakob's enlightnment?||

[thorny wedge]

i just took for granted that it was just willed into existence

||like you get a free house/business with your enlightenment it's a package deal||

[cold plover]

man why was caroline so scared jakob would've been set for LIFE

[errant estuary]

probably has to do with symbolism if something

[remote remnant]

ion know man being burned alive just to become a furry aint that great of a deal

[thorny wedge]

💀

[cold plover]

Considering the fact that Mr. Owl, Mr. Crow, Mr. Bat, Mr. Toad and the 5 hotel guests all have animal hands, IT PISSES ME OFF SO MUCH KNOWING THAT HARVEY HAS HUMAN HANDS.

[thorny wedge]

||so does mr crow as seen in ub||

[remote remnant]

he's literally built different

[thorny wedge]

its fucked up

[cold plover]

ok mr. owl and mr. crow kind of have human hands but thats because theyre birds

[remote remnant]

idk why these people choose to be animals when they can be humans

also idk how or why jakob became bald

[thorny wedge]

i mean since humans are animals could you pick a human as your enlightened form

[errant estuary]

it was foreshadowed by his lack of beard

[cold plover]

yeah but you can see in other games it's just feathers that are also hands you can SEE the curves in harvey's gloves THOSE ARE HUMAN HANDS I AM CONVINCED

HARVEY IS A MASCOT ISTG

[errant estuary]

why are mr rabbit and miss pheasant so polite i don’t get it

[cold plover]

do they have a reason not to be

i think all of them were somewhat polite except for mr. boar

[errant estuary]

ok mr deer was

but why the fuck pigieon and mr boar so impolite

[cold plover]

like mr rabbit and ms pigeon were nice, mr deer and mrs pheasant were kind of snobby about it but still nice, and then theres mr "make me a sandwich BITCH"

[remote remnant]

bro you're asking why a man that ate a key is impolite

[cold plover]

pigeon was nice wdym

[thorny wedge]

i mean i have an uncle just like that. built different

[errant estuary]

“uncle gerard

spit out the key please”

[remote remnant]

grandma in paradise was legit the only person who was nice

[untold stump]

The first thing she told Harvey was like "Prepare my bath bitch"

[thorny wedge]

elizabeth was nice too! in her own way

[untold stump]

No, Elizabeth

[remote remnant]

what she even do?

[thorny wedge]

||she also kinda tortures a child for her own experiements||

[errant estuary]

tries to scare you away

[remote remnant]

she didn't do anything bad but wasn't really pleasant either

[cold plover]

WHAT WAS UP WITH THAT FR LIKE WE GOT NO EXPLANATION FOR THAT

[untold stump]

She helped with puzzle when others were actively bothering you and getting in ur way

[errant estuary]

same with margaret i think

[remote remnant]

ok but does she play FIRE tunes?

[errant estuary]

the two of them and jakob carried paradise

[cold plover]

HAVE YOU PLAYED THE SECOND PLAGUE

[untold stump]

Yeah but Margaret was really hyped for Jakob's death

[thorny wedge]

she's just very traditional

[remote remnant]

can confirm my grandma is also really hyped for my death

[errant estuary]

elizabeth going “MAYBE THIS TIME HE WONT COME BACK HERE IF I STAND AND SAY CREEPY SHIT”

[cold plover]

all of our grandmas are actively plotting against us

[remote remnant]

dw they're just traditional

[thorny wedge]

fr she's just bad at communicating

[errant estuary]

“tell him that the family’s plotting to burn him to death without saying that the family’s plotting to burn him to death”

[untold stump]

Yeah the "The Owls are not what they seem" was literally a hint from her to not go in the big wooden Owl statue

[cold plover]

help this elizabeth convo reminded me of the meme you posted recently that made me wheeze lmao

[remote remnant]

ok but like the night before you saw your mom get burned at the stake and suddenly a giant wooden owl statue appears RIGHT where you're supposed to place the cube

i think he could've pieced things together

[untold stump]

Don't forget the amazing drawing by dumbig!

[errant estuary]

she facepalmed every time he came back

[cold plover]

YEAH THE DRAWING WAS GOOD

[thorny wedge]

between all this and david going "i hope i'm not the one that dies today" to his face knowing full well that the plague is the death of the firstborn i feel like david maybe just didn't care for living all that much

[errant estuary]

im sorry but jakob was both warm of heart and dumb of ass

😭

[cold plover]

david is just an asshole in general. wouldnt give us the frog, said that, and also yknow... ||murdered dale's parents...||

[remote remnant]

bro almost died of hypothermia and the first thing he said was a joke

[thorny wedge]

he's also very traditional

[remote remnant]

idk if he cares aboutanything

[untold stump]

Also does anyone have an idea if Elizabeth was born blind or if something caused that ? I saw an animation about her and that got me thinking, what if Nicholas' rituals had smth to do with it ?

[thorny wedge]

to be fair david was like 15 and his family sucked he was really going through it

[cold plover]

i think she was born blind

[remote remnant]

in the family pic her eyes looked more normal i think but im not sure

i haven't played in a while

[thorny wedge]

ill check

youre kinda not wrong

[errant estuary]

||my closest bet is either a normal issue that was never addressed, or vivisection||

[cold plover]

oh yeah

the fog took her eyes

the fog is coming

[carmine field]

I believe Jakob had his old body burned at the end of Paradise

[errant estuary]

because the goats pupils are way too round to really be a natural phenomenon and not experimentation

[cold plover]

yeah he was reborn into mr. owl i think

[remote remnant]

but he switched back into his past form in paradox

[errant estuary]

and i know that’s probably an oversight

[untold stump]

With Caroline

[carmine field]

paradox isn't real

[cold plover]

fun fact: paradox is a dream

kind of

[remote remnant]

RIP jakob's hair

[cold plover]

ok it's in dale's mind but i dont think its a dream

[errant estuary]

the cave

[remote remnant]

the cave

[carmine field]

wdym?

[cold plover]

he's bald there

[carmine field]

yeah he's bald

[errant estuary]

and he has a human form

[cold plover]

but i don't think that's necessarily jacob. Crowl and Owl both have human forms that look sort of similar but also different from their old selves

[carmine field]

the human form seems to be just a disguise

[untold stump]

Y'all maybe he just shaved his head

[errant estuary]

true

[errant estuary]

fair

[remote remnant]

why

[cold plover]

male pattern baldness

[untold stump]

Swag

[errant estuary]

adhd impulses

[cold plover]

oh we had two very different answers

lol

[remote remnant]

sure his hair looked like orange toothpaste but its better than looking like mr clean

[errant estuary]

the three baldness reasons
mpb
swag
adhd impulses

[cold plover]

don't disrespect mr. clean HES DOING HONEST WORK

[carmine field]

His facial structure is very different when compared to Mr. Crow and Rose, who have various appearances

[remote remnant]

what happened to Rose's cheekbones tho

[cold plover]

why are yall like
cool

[carmine field]

redesign with new artstyle

[untold stump]

I love that in this channel whenever nowhere's here we talk about stuff like the reality of cubes or time paradox but the rest of the time we're like "What if Jakob was Mr Clean ?"

[errant estuary]

||she’s eaten more healthy||

[cold plover]

i was afraid to join this server bc usually the fandoms of things like this arent great but everyone here is so positive :)

[remote remnant]

she ate Frank and Leonard

[thorny wedge]

we're doing what we have to to not go insane from the lore

[errant estuary]

same

[untold stump]

I think both options qualify as going insane

[thorny wedge]

i

okay valid point-

[errant estuary]

when nowhere is around: philosophy
when nowhere is absent: they all got high and then mr owl shaved his eyebrows

[cold plover]

i think the real question is what happened to her cunty coke-bottle figure, she went from ate to eighty too fast (or however old future rose is idfk)

[untold stump]

Oh yeah about ub we saw what happened to ||one timepiece, do y'all think that we'll eventually know what happened to Leonard and Frank ||

[cold plover]

nowhere carries this channel honestly

[remote remnant]

things like depression,anxiety and reviving your serial killer father do that to a person

[untold stump]

This might go in the memes channel soon

[cold plover]

i dont think so

[cold plover]

either that or it's hidden under the lab coat

[remote remnant]

It would be a shame of them to die ngl

[cold plover]

rusty lake goes out of their way to make two of the most trauma-induced characters to kill them off

[errant estuary]

i will huff on the copium and think one of them took custody of laura

[remote remnant]

who do yall think has the biggest kill countg in RL

[errant estuary]

until i’m told otherwise, i will think that

[thorny wedge]

i mean who was raising laura. like no way harvey is actually fit to raise a child

[cold plover]

Do you guys ever think that if Frank or Leonard had been the ones to find the samsara timepiece instead of Rose The Past Within wouldn't have happened?

[untold stump]

Harvey no doubt

[thorny wedge]

definitely

[errant estuary]

harvey

[remote remnant]

wrong

[errant estuary]

albert is nr two

[remote remnant]

its leonard

[errant estuary]

oh right

[remote remnant]

he survived 4 years

in the war

[errant estuary]

i just remembered that he was a soldier

[cold plover]

how many headshots do we think he has

[thorny wedge]

but like how long has harvey been unleashed onto the world

[remote remnant]

3 centuries

[thorny wedge]

and that motherfucker doesn't need a war to have an excuse to kill

[cold plover]

yeah thats true, the earliest we see him is 1863 right

[untold stump]

Shout-out to an old meme I made

[cold plover]

wait no he's in paradise too

[thorny wedge]

CANON

[thorny wedge]

homeboy has been murdering since the dawn of humanity

[errant estuary]

mr rabbit is a clown ass mf

[cold plover]

Wait, now I'm actually curious as to how far back Harvey goes.

[errant estuary]

he actually invented cubes

[remote remnant]

harvey was actually the main conspirator in Caesar's assassination

[cold plover]

watch harvey be in the 20000 BC games as a parrot meaning he goes back even further

[untold stump]

Given the fact that the Devs teased a 2000BC games, maybe very long ago

Oh you already mentioned it mb

[cold plover]

im so excited for that the only thing i could think of that could date that far back is the origins of Rusty Lake or how it gained its mystical qualities (assuming it didn't have them since its creation)

[thorny wedge]

harvey is the reason the neanderthals died out

[cold plover]

Harvey's too smart to be a Neanderthal

[thorny wedge]

thats not what i meant

[untold stump]

Yeah, but because of that I feel like it's gonna be one of the latest RL game

[cold plover]

it's the finale 😵

[thorny wedge]

would be cool ngl

its so out of scope of the current games that im genuinely excited to see how its incorporated

[untold stump]

Weird to think that RL would ever end

[thorny wedge]

oh yeah

[cold plover]

"hey guys, that mammoth thing we teased is gonna be our next project! isn't that exci- why are you all crying"

(no because i will cry when rusty lake is over)

[thorny wedge]

same

but i'd rather see more of it and have it eventually wrap up than have it stop in time i suppose

[carmine field]

If VanderDeer ends up becoming Dale's Deva form, I hope they at least add a new costume to him

Otherwise I think it will look a lot like Albert

[cold plover]

yeah like its coming to an end and thats beautiful but also im gonna commit unholy acts in a fit of sadness and get sent to the white door

[thorny wedge]

not if mr owl isn't around to yank you there

he's getting sent to a retirement home

[remote remnant]

End of the games is gonna be lit

[errant estuary]

man i want to do a fic where mr owl has therapy sessions with the hotel guests

[thick quail]

I want to write a fanfic where everybody goes to therapy

I think all the characters should go to at least 5 sessions

[vivid bridge]

They do

Thats Owl's whole business

[floral mauve]

Mental health

[thorny wedge]

i feel like he's not very good at it

[thick quail]

But he's doing his best

[errant estuary]

he want to a family reunion once, decided his career was going to be therapy

[remote remnant]

g

[thorn lichen]

Does anyone have any idea about how Bob || got a TWD card before Laura dies || ? Because I thought that ||Robert Hill was first introduced to TWD by Sarah after seeing Laura's death on the TV||. Spoiler alert for UB, and probably TWD.

[untold stump]

I'd have to rewatch the Sarah visiting Bob scene but it would explain why ||she didn't say "Hi, we're TWD, u can call us to get less sad" but just said smth like "Our condolences, I can call if I need also get gifted a plant", as if Bob already knew her and her team. || Owl could have been following Bob since the moment he met Laura

[carmine field]

I think it was just symbolic

like most things in UB

[terse niche]

I think UB is like a memory. Those things happened, but not exactly like that. We remember events, but we don't remember exactly how they happened.

[sweet tulip]

UB's throughline looks a bit too fuzzy to fit neatly as a series of memories, especially with the metro setting as opposed to cubes
it looks more like a convenient way to show Laura's life through Harvey's eyes, a bit like the Mill used time dialation as a convenience between Case 23 plot points

although with that in mind, the question of what's litteral and what isn't gets... weird

also now we probably need to talk about the significance of the cubes

||we already know three of them, iron wood and glass, past present and future
bone might be death
not sure what to make of marble, stone, copper, bronze, and ice||

[sweet tulip]

actually to make it more clear : what I'm trying to say is pretty apparent when ||the Lake, the Hotel, and BKM are all classified as stations, but they don't fit quite as memories, so there's something else going on||

||also also the metro is non-litteral, as in, even if it's something that leads to a lot of memories, the metro itself isn't a thing, because the Hotel metro station is just not a real location||

||like it can't be an actual metro system reporpused to stop at predetermined cubes, the metro itself is part of the abstraction process||

the wagons are interesting too, ||all the ones that make us progress through Laura's life are the same
but there are a few more
the golden train leading to the Hotel
the grey one leading to the Lake
the one leading to BKM
and the one that drops off all the factory workers||
I'd have to check if a couple of the last ones overlap

nope, they're all unique

[sweet tulip]

||tickets also seem to be linked to each wagon, red/pink tickets for the red/pink train of Laura's life
golden for the golgen train of the hotel
and... the other ones don't actually require a ticket, including the one leading to the Lake that Laura kinda just summons||

[timid depot]

could somebody give an explanation about what the lake is and what is there ? im kind of new to rusty lake theories and im trying to catch up but dont understand a lot of whats being said here

[sweet tulip]

it's still a very open ended question
but so far we know the Lake is a place that has some sort of power and will, and acts as a place between time where memories and future events float freely in cubes

it might also be straight up Naraka

[errant estuary]

||lauras mental health was on a fast decline, so i assumed it was something they discussed when still in the relationship||

[feral fox]

Okay, So did Sarah have a crush on Bob?

Just played through all of White door

[fickle cedar]

This theory might've been brought up before, but I think that since ||the secret ending has Mr. Crow taking Laura up an elevator, UB is basically Laura's version of Paradox||

||She's revisiting her memories while she's hooked up to that machine in Cave, the same way that Dale did||

[feral fox]

||Idk if its old news, but rarely anyone talks about the doctor login documents? Poisson, Leonie has a cube outside of The White Door? Shes a security 5 too||

||All the patients have cubes, that they are willing to give to their loved ones...||

[sweet tulip]

but it's through Harvey's perspective ?

[sweet tulip]

||outside of the ARG, TWD patients haven't been very useful to the lore yet||

[feral fox]

Ill try to find hidden stuff

||Zhang Yong Li knows about Harvey||

||Makes me wonder how many patients other than Bob and Laura, Harvey knows about, maybe he wasn't actually Lauras bird after all||

[rancid slate]

Not a theory, but I made a very very basic timeline for the first 3 Stations in Underground Blossom (Also spoilers for other games)

[sweet tulip]

that's very mild bullying
she prefers to stay by herself, and sometime a kid steals her stuff as drawing practice

[feral fox]

thanks for the tl

Yeah I do think laura just wants to be alone, indifferent if not more

[fickle cedar]

Oh yeah... idk maybe ||since she's a corrupted soul while she's hooked up to the machine, she's kind of disassociating? Like distancing herself from her memories? Of course that wouldn't explain how Harvey talks to Mr. Owl, since that isn't in her memory.|| idk I'm grasping at straws here

||I was just thinking about the parallels between Dale in Paradox/Cave and Laura here, they're both relieving their memories and ascending in an elevator, and we see that they're hooked up to the same machine in cave||

[sweet tulip]

I understand that, and it would be a very good explanation, except... that's not who we're playing as

which is why it's all so confusing

[fickle cedar]

||maybe Harvey is the enlightened form of Laura 👀 lol jk...unless? 👀||

Nah I don't think that's what it is

[sweet tulip]

lol

Albert is Dale

[fickle cedar]

I would be SO mad if they did that, Dale is my fav character and Albert is just absolutely RANCID

[sweet tulip]

nah, Dale is just his own character, and there's no suitable candidate for reincarnation so far

but I've seen a lot of theories as to who he might be

Albert

Rabbit

Harvey

[remote remnant]

i saw a theory saying dale is caroline

[feral fox]

could you explain?

[azure bay]

I think there's nothing to explain

both just wear Owl mask

but the mask has a different message

[rancid slate]

Yeah ik, I just had to put something for School Street section since there isnt too much stuff happenin there

[carmine field]

I'll share a theory about Rusty Lake Theater with you later

[thick stratus]

Hey! Just finished UB yesterday and had a thought but couldn't really figure it out all the way. Maybe someone can help me with this.

Spoilers: Achievements included.
||When you finish the Best Kept Memory room, it sends you to fill out the google form. But I noticed that the introduction they wrote for the form is kinda suspicious. The lines keep ending in the middle of sentences. I tried to figure out a code from it and didn't make any sense. ||

Adding a photo about this, ||it's just a part from it and it goes on. Can't really see a patten here... But maybe there is?||

Hope that someone can figure this out with me!

like maybe I'm delulu but at least I'm trying

[covert wyvern]

.mute @sweet tulip 1h data mining is against the server Rules

[sweet zephyr]

maxime42. was muted.

[thorny wedge]

oh fuck right

[sweet tulip]

So, two things I can conclude from the experience

1. it's been talked about in private but just as a record :
   rule is unclear "9. Do not share Rusty Lake assets obtained through data mining."
   please consider changing it to define what is considered data mining and what is considered acceptable assets to be shared, such as what counts as an ARG page, especially when what I did has precedent in Rusty Lake puzzle solving tools

2. well I guess it's clear that this page has nothing interesting going on, other than being very very weirdly formated

[errant estuary]

so i might be dumb but ||when was laura bullied, like, aside from johnny /gen||

[carmine field]

||the drawing they made of her||

[thorny wedge]

||the drawing could prolly also be by johnny||

[carmine field]

not sure

[thorny wedge]

of course, its pure speculation

[sweet tulip]

||it's most likely Laura, but at the same time, the kid makes bad drawings of everyone||

[errant estuary]

||defo johnny||

||same pen||

[sweet tulip]

||right no but the drawing is of her, not made by her||

[errant estuary]

yeah

||all the rest of them seem to hate everyone equally||

||except maybe||

||sam||

[sweet tulip]

||even Johny, tbh, he just stole the pictures, but he also made other bad drawings of the other kids, including the love rumor||

[errant estuary]

||ngl laura’s class is brutal||

[fickle cedar]

||Alex stole's Tess's earring. Or maybe it was the other way around||

||Plus that kid who collects gossip of everyone. Those kids are menaces||

[errant estuary]

||franky stole alex’s earring||

||tess probably just wants all of them dead||

||she had restraint when she shoved john i believe||

||and all that she says is she hates school, and she wants to puke||

||unironically, though, tess is based for her opinion on sausage, that shit is not food blessed by anything, considering they’re called sacks of mystery||

[carmine field]

||I hope they reappear in later games, they were cool||

[errant estuary]

||full game where we follow laura’s class of “evil” kids who hate each other||

[fickle cedar]

Honestly I love seeing "normal" characters in this series, like the patients in the white door or ||the workers who got off the train with Bob||

It really fleshes out the world more, and it kind of drives home who much it SUCKS to have to be in a family obsessed with the Lake

[rancid slate]

Ok, now I have a "theory":
||The timepiece being stoled isnt just for gameplay, but also to explain why Laura only started seeing William halucinations on 1964||

(Underground Blossom spoilers)
||I still dont know why Laura would break the timepiece since she wanted it so much, but I thought of some possibilities:||

||1) She broke it cuz she already died, so she didnt needed anymore||
||2) She actually needed to break it in order to be enlighten||
||3) She didnt break it, it was actually William, so he could go to the Lake and get ready for the next step||

[rancid slate]

I forgor to put the trip to Rusty Lake journal image there, but its ok

[royal notch]

@rancid slate, for talking about UB, you should move to the thread channel.

[sweet tulip]

||William hallucinations aren't confirmed, but it is possible it was helping with her health||

[sweet tulip]

here is fine as long as there's spoiler tags, but yeah, more practical on the thread

[carmine field]

||Why does Laura have William hallucinations?||

||What moments indicate this?||

||William's original goal was to reincarnate, and he did it already in Roots. I don't see why he would be a danger to Laura.||

[errant estuary]

||william when he gets a rebirth, but the reincarnation’s brain structure is chaos: this was not the plan-||

[finite stratus]

||I agree because I think William is essentially Laura so he can’t be a threat to himself but Laura doesn’t realize she had a past life and that’s why the memories of it drives her insane because she doesn’t understand them||

[carmine field]

||Is there a moment that shows Laura hallucinating about her past life?||

||From what I remember, all that was left were remnants of memory, which were used to make the golden cube in The Cave||

||Before that, all the hallucinations around her, including those involving corrupted souls (with the exception of The Lake) probably come from Laura herself||

[finite stratus]

||I don’t think her hallucinations are very specific but during sorrow station, she tells us about her dreams and some of them seem to reference things that didn’t happen to her yet or haven’t happened to her||

[carmine field]

||Everyone has a corrupted soul within them, including the secondary characters. Emma painted her own corrupted soul in Roots before she died, so I imagine Laura was seeing her own soul and died from it||

[carmine field]

That got me too, but dreams are dreams

In The White Door, Bob dreamed of deer-headed Dale, even if it didn't make sense

[royal notch]

Isn't that corrupted soul meant to represent us (William's)?

[carmine field]

Nop

It was confirmed by the devs

In Gamescom

I got surprised too

[royal notch]

Goddamn, i'm paying anyone who does a full list of any important point directly said from them. Just for fairness to who can't partecipate!

[rancid slate]

With ||"Willaim hallucinations"||, I am referin to the corrupted souls that appear in the windows of CE Seasons, includin the ones where the soul kills her
||Sure, reincarnatin was part of the plan, but I dont think William would like to live Laura's life||

[sweet tulip]

yeah no that's her

it's a representation of her mental illness killing her, the player is both the killer CS and Laura

I mean your interpretation isn't impossible
but considering Seasons was the very first game, it would be a weird retcon to add William, when the whole point of the series started as mental health awareness

[rancid slate]

Me realizin that William killing Laura is my headcanon and maybe not actually canon 😭😭😭

[sweet tulip]

Seasons is pretty direct with the suicide theme :
Prozac, the textbook antidepressant, making an appearance since Spring
the post-it notes saying "I'm afraid I'll do something horrible" (typical suicidal thought speech)
the TV outright calling attention to the possibility of "Murder or Suicide ?"
the death of Harvey, a parrot, mimicking Laura's death scream, as the player, also Laura, stabs him to death
the bloody eye in the ceiling, which will later be way more linked to Laura, which represents her sorrow when looking inwards...

even Cave outright shows it

she didn't have hallucinations about William
she was having suicidal thoughts, and saw the shadow of her own mind trying to end her

[rancid slate]

William hallucinations is the family friendly explaination for Laura's suicide

[sweet tulip]

pretty much yeah x)

[sweet tulip]

that is also why it's my favorite game out of all of them
it has such a complex story yet doesn't need to rely on any prior knowledge for you to understand all the nuances

don't get me wrong, cross reference is cool
but I miss when you didn't need to know who the weird shadow guy with a deer skull is to understand why Rose suddenly vanishes

like, UB requires knowledge of TPW
TPW requires knowledge of Roots
Roots is both self-contained and all over the place since there isn't much of a focus for a long time

Case 23 didn't require previous knowledge of Seasons
it was helpful if you did, to understand what happenned to the woman
but it wasn't required to understand Dale's motivations

[rancid slate]

Same

[sweet tulip]

(which is also why I'm a bit weirded out by the media overhype Paradox received at launch, because... it's so not beginner friendly)

[rancid slate]

Paradox is the only game I didnt replayed more than 2 times

[sweet tulip]

to be fair, I would've been fine with it if journalists did their research and actually state it was the latest installment in the series
but nope, they judged it as a standalone game, and were confused, but didn't care because the gameplay was fun

[sweet tulip]

it's a good game, with a cool (relatively high budget) concept, but I think other ones would've been more worthy of all this praise

[sweet tulip]

weirdly enough TPW's controvertial choice of 2 player exclusive makes a lot of sense when you consider Paradox didn't quite deliver on the interactivity promise, and as such involving a second player to create more interactivity between two sides of a story is the only logical conclusion

if anyone claims I'm not on subject, this is a theory of behind the scene stuff lol

anyway

point is :

no William hallucination

[rancid slate]

A sad thing to tell all William fans (noone)

Ok but.. ||Mr. Crow is takin his brother to the Hotel!! This proves that William is still there (100% confirmed)||
*Underground Blossom Secret Spoiler

[sweet tulip]

unsure

I mean I like the idea that souls grow like trees
where you get a new layer of bark on top of the old ones

so William is definitely there
but I don't think it's really relevant

[rancid slate]

Wdym

William will become the new Mr. Owl

[sweet tulip]

well

[rancid slate]

The Lake belongs to him!!

[sweet tulip]

not to him

to her

and that's definitely not Owl's plan

[rancid slate]

Oooooo

[sweet tulip]

Owl's plan is to train Dale

[rancid slate]

Ok, imagine this: Mr. Crow betrays Mr. Owl

[sweet tulip]

I have been for the last 3 years

this only strengthens my point

[rancid slate]

So

William Owner of the Lake

[sweet tulip]

Laura

William is dead

his memories still exist, but the entity is fully Laura

[rancid slate]

Laura (William)

[sweet tulip]

just like the person you were as a baby doesn't exist anymore

[rancid slate]

Mr. Crow (Aldous)

Oh wait

Fixed it

[carmine field]

<---- the Lady of the Lake

[errant estuary]

yeah

[carmine field]

That was really pretty stupid

[azure bay]

I don't expect outsiders to understand anything

[carmine field]

hey nowhere

I have some thoughts I would like to share here

[azure bay]

Including what the heck is the pickpocket arc? /jk

[covert wyvern]

You know you don't need Nowhere s permission to share here right!