with enough effort they could make Dale a president
#🤔｜theories
azure bay
but they'd have to win the elections
"Hey, Mr. Owl! Future Mr. Owl speaking. I have a chosen one I need to teach about the universe, could you please change the program of the next performance and use some magic so The Lady appears dead and changes outfit to something looking like a corrupted soul? Great, love you, see ya!"
of Rusty Lake
of one who's in control of the cube, one who makes changes
by analogy with The Past Within both Rose and Albert in the past have an idea of normalcy
Albert warns Rose that she's inside a cube and someone will change it
the Vandermeers wouldn't question much an extra present Dale got on his Birthday
but they definitely would question a weird old man pretending to be a family
unless, the thing I recently realized, the changes to Crow's appearance are his disguise that fools the family but still technically looks like Crow so we the players recognize him
what I'm saying, he probably looks like Crow only to us
so we know who's that for real
you didn't get it
the theory is, grandpa is looking like Crow only so the players recognize him as such. In the reality, he faithfully assumed the appearance of Dale's grandpa so nobody questions him
As far as I know, Crow can't break the 4th wall
or rather...
nevermind
maybe
but what I'm thinking
imagine it like a stage play
we have an actor that picks the outfit of a different character
and, by the plot, he fools other characters
but it's made deliberately cheap so the audience sees through his lies
one of the reasons why the Vandermeers don't question a face swap, because, by the plot, it's not a face swap but a faithful illusion
no
I'm saying that it's just a game, a form of art
the author may choose a look for his characters that conveys the intended message
Room Escape games can't tell the story in the same way a movie would
or a book for that matter
there are still a lot of gameplay elements and other technicalities
a good example is Paradox
Mr. Crow and VanderDeer both speak of some kind of choice
and if you only play the game, you don't see where that choice is
when it's made
but you clearly see that in the movie
because in the movie all 3 vials are equally accessible
Dale has to choose one
but in the game it's not the case because the devs don't want the Player to make the choice for Dale
they want the players to only watch the consequences of a certain choice at the certain point of the story
they don't want to reveal too early that the blue vial corrupts Dale and it's Dale who kills Laura
so they make an artistic choice
and grandpa looking like Crow could be another artistic choice like that
I presume that if there were a novelization of Birthday, grandpa wouldn't look like Crow from Dale's point of view
but there would be a different way to let us the readers know that grandpa is an impostor
@mild creek do you get it now?
more or less
these are the backers that made the movie possible
the majority are
vivid bridge
jojo canon in rusty lake
carmine field
unless, the thing I recently realized, the changes to Crow's appearance are his ...
Interesting point of view
carmine field
What do you think "The Golden Cube" card refers to? The card looks too fancy to be just a reference to the golden cube
azure bay
I thought there could be another society lead by Owl
now I think Albert could be a new player
unless it's just some metro-like metaphor
carmine field
Interestingly, we still don't know the exact origin of the golden cube in TPW
We only know that it came from the "energy of the future"
or something like that
carmine field
I thought there could be another society lead by Owl
It's possible
azure bay
We only know that it came from the "energy of the future"
I'm afraid that could be just it
I have a theory how Owl's cube could be connected
that would make sense of all of this
but it's just a theory
the reality could be harsh. stupidly soft magic system
carmine field
tell us
azure bay
Owl's cube was created using William's memories
theoretically they could be copied and saved for later use
BKM-style
and energy was a support for sending that memory data in a form of signal
carmine field
It's weird because it might imply infinite elixir, but if there's any limit, I think it's possible
calm glade
What do you think "The Golden Cube" card refers to? The card looks too fancy to ...
completely unrelated but that photo means (assuming this is a photo in TPW and the picture is referring to underground blossom) someone else took a photo of Laura
frosty wolf
the screenshot is from Cube Escape: The Cave
azure bay
completely unrelated but that photo means (assuming this is a photo in TPW and t...
what about Laura herself before a mirror?
frosty wolf
but there is no mirror at the train station, assuming the picture was taken there
azure bay
but there is no mirror at the train station, assuming the picture was taken ther...
the stations are a metaphor of Laura's life
they are not literal
frosty wolf
hm.
calm glade
what about Laura herself before a mirror?
don't think so, because then she'd put it up to her eye
frosty wolf
well she could have just took it in front of her randomly..
vital mantle
My theory is that someone put some drug in Dale's coffee and all Rusty Lake is a weird af journey while he is sleeping in his desk.....with eyes open
Being serious I don't know, the old ones are testing the cubes?
floral mauve
From the new UB secret
(I dont think its necessary to spoiler mark it cause its still tpw), middle aged Rose already got Albert CS in the tank seems like
thought you could say those are the fragments that occur in different time
but as I stated before, there is no way for her to have those record if Albert CS in the future is teleported from the past instantly
azure bay
Unlikely, considering who's the protagonist
yet it could be such
1st and foremost I see the subway as a metaphor
which may represent whatever
I tend to think these are memories because of the blossom
blossom likely means the lake
it's again a discussion about gameplay and artistic choices
the devs decided to put the story into the subway scenery
which probably means absolutely nothing
except for "our life is like a railroad"
so far, the subway makes little sense, so does the protagonist, and it's all expected to make even less sense when the game is finished
I bet we're to see the same events of Seasons and The Lake from a different perspective
and somehow in metro
does it make sense? I don't think so
when so?
mostly The Lake
if I'm right it only confirms the senselessness of what's hapenning
azure bay
I don't
Samsara Wheels in Rusty Lake shout that he's a bird now
likely since 1894
yes, then he was an Asura. But died a year later and was reborn as a birb
actually we never saw any other asura transform into a human at will
besides these 2
I mean
The guests, other Hotel employees
I think that was just an asset reuse. Because the devs said that both Bat and Toad used to be humans before working for Owl
yes, Harvey is weird not only in that sense
(or any consciousness for that matter)
what's the point?
the conclusion about Harvey
(Owl became asura via elixir pretty much directly, that's what Caroline created in the purgatory)
for Bat, that's just not true
the devs said so
he and Toad used to be humans
before working for Owl
that's a very unnecessary mental jump
at least because it's unheard of
no, like Mr. Bat becoming a bat 1st
leave the bat in The Cave alone, there are other examples of animals reusing asura visuals
We have a pigeon that looks like Mrs. Pigeon
and we have a boar that looks like Mr. Boar
but that doesn't mean they are them
I'm speaking of the pigeon helping Harvey
it has next to no way to be Mrs. Pigeon
ok, back to Harvey
as for now, there's no evidence that Harvey can transform back and forth asura<->animal.
We have next to no info about his life before the hotel, so we have no idea if he could. And know too well about his life after, when we can tell for sure he couldn't.
maybe he could before Hotel indeed
but for now it's kinda useless
we don't focus much on that time period
@mild creek
at least when it comes to Harvey or OWl
vivid bridge
He was probably able to switch until he died after Hotel and became a regular parrot
azure bay
Probability is usually based on data you have, not the one you don't
He didn't go back to asura. It contradicts the established lore
Technically speaking, he had time to somehow become asura. The bigger problem is, he had to cease being one again by at least 1971
Likely even earlier since he spent a lot of time at Laura's
vivid bridge
sometimes i'm unsure if the devs even think about it that hard or if they're just like "woah what if you look in the mirror and then HARVEY is there! Wouldn't that be a cool easter egg??"
azure bay
sometimes i'm unsure if the devs even think about it that hard or if they're jus...
I presume, Harvey visiting BKM in some form could be canon
Yep
azure bay
I always figured that was just Owl teleporting Dale
I think, there's no need to teleport him again. Maybe only cargo lifting him to drop at the chapel?
vivid bridge
yeah but prior to that moment in the mill, Dale didn't get attacked or whatever. He activated the machine, blacked out and was teleported to the chapel
azure bay
He still had to somehow become a parrot by 1971.
That would better happen onscreen. And if we don't get a substitute, that "onscreen" will be 1894
The wheels say he did
"a fish and a parrot" is a play about animals
Period
vivid bridge
Harvey in his animal form doesn't seem to possess any human consciousness, the implication being that he died and became a full on animal
azure bay
Sorry, that's just stupid
Just think about it
You are, for instance, Mr. Crow
You've decided to become a human
To take a human state
Humans need elixir to become asuras and have 50% chance to die
If you can turn back into asura, you are no human anymore
And you are no parrot
No animal
Then get out from the stage, Harvey, you are f*ing asura
You missed the point
If you change state, you change state
That's not how samsara works
If you are an asura looking like an animal, you are still an asura
You didn't die
By samsara wheels the devs say that Harvey is an animal. Anything else is overthinking and is against Occam
Go ahead
vivid bridge
one dies, the other becomes a funky animal person
azure bay
Not necessarily, Dale will become a deva
vivid bridge
Since the dog didn't become an asura, I guess the transformation only works on humans
azure bay
So no Owl makes it deal with unwanted guests or young female courpses! A genius beyond Albert 
covert wyvern
No.
azure bay
@mild creek in the meantime here's what I see
We have 3 cases of elixir consuming
Aldous, the dog and Dale
And all 3 have a different outcome
vivid bridge
But Dale only drinks it in the paradox simulation so that might not be accurate
azure bay
Why?
azure bay
But Dale only drinks it in the paradox simulation so that might not be accurate
I'm not even speaking of that
Theatre says, he'll be deva
Whenever it happens, I take it for granted
So why are these 3 cases are so different?
I think it's like you said, @mild creek, it depends on consciousness
Dog had no consciousness, thus the elixir only prolonges life as long as the elixir stays inside the body
Humans like Aldous or even braindead Gerard are humans and have basic consciousness
Thus they also get some magical powers
And Dale gets his super-elevator journey, faces his fears and demons, learns about samsara, "reaches a higher state of consciousness"
Thus he's getting even a better boost whatever it is
And likely he'll still have lesser benefits
Like prolonged life and Asura-like look
Maybe Harvey had enough consciousness to become an asura. Maybe not. We don't know yet. He's weird enough to be a wildcard
(I don't doubt Harvey has at least some level of consciousness because we have HB where he solves a lot of complex tasks and has some thoughts but more so because we have UB, where Rose entrusts him Laura)
vivid bridge
I'd say he's a lot more animal in HB than in any of his asura appearances. He has no idea where he is or whats going on, he's just a panicking animal
yeah but thats because we're playing as him
we hear his thoughts because we're playing as him
azure bay
We know next to nothing about the Parrot, why he's so cool and how he became asura in the 1st place
vivid bridge
of course he's doing stuff that regular parrots couldn't do but like, you gotta suspend your disbelief a certain way
azure bay
of course he's doing stuff that regular parrots couldn't do but like, you gotta ...
Fighting a corrupted soul is mostly impressive too for a parrot
And I don't think Rose is stupid to entrust her daughter to a birb
vivid bridge
this was like the fourth game, back then Harvey wasn't known (or even thought up) to be an (ex) asura. Back then the idea was just that he's a regular parrot
vivid bridge
And I don't think Rose is stupid to entrust her daughter to a birb
yeah but thats Asura Harvey. We don't really know how that happens
nah i'm coping with the fact that 2015 was 8 years ago
I'll just pretend undertale is still fresh and new
azure bay
this was like the fourth game, back then Harvey wasn't known (or even thought up...
I wouldn't be so sure if I were you. All these games came out within a single year and all have little things that connect them.
The next game was Case 23, so Owl and Crow were already a thing and Harvey's relations with cigars form an interesting pattern
vivid bridge
I don't think we've ever seen an Asura turn into the full animal
azure bay
Neither do I
The best course of action is keeping all this stuff in mind until we get something substantial and until then consider absence of evidence as evidence of absence. Just to save brain power for more interesting and important topics.
But as soon as I see Harvey or someone else transforming that way, I'll be the 1st to reconsider that
What's funny
vivid bridge
Theatre says, he'll be deva
Its been a while since I played Theatre, when does it say that
azure bay
Its been a while since I played Theatre, when does it say that
The reflection in the respective frame + plus Owl playing as Dale in the deva play
vivid bridge
Ah
Yeah okay
so I guess enlightened Dale might not even look like an animal, he might look like something completely else
never thought about that
oh that'd be so lame, though
azure bay
We've got VanderDeer. He knows what choice Dale made and appears even beyond Paradox.
So until further notice I consider that his deva form
azure bay
Well, they are making him one
vivid bridge
well, you need the full elixir made with the golden cube
any other incomplete elixir will just make you an imperfect asura
azure bay
well, you need the full elixir made with the golden cube
Chances are, they call any elixir that is not dogshitty extract full
That's why Dale has his journey
No, but it's all he has in The Cave
So anything but could be considered full, if you think about it
vivid bridge
yeah but the implication is clearly that the "full elixir" is whats needed to save the lake aka what dale needs to ascend to deva
azure bay
yeah but the implication is clearly that the "full elixir" is whats needed to sa...
I disagree. Technically, any elixir would last them longer than dogshit. Any elixir would give them "future".
vivid bridge
thats not how the lake works
just because time is kinda weird down there doesn't mean its like four dimensional
azure bay
Back to VanderDeer, Paradox is a creation of not only Owl but partially Dale himself and I think even the Lake.
Plus, in corrupted state Dale sees many different versions of himself including those from the immidiate future and the immidiate past.
Focusing a bit on the future notion, an extra emphsis is made not only on VanderDeer but also on the hanged Dale. They both appear separately from other Dales before CDale leaves the room.
These 2 look like they symbolise possible outcomes of Paradox. 2 secrets endings that are true endings (in a way that they trully end Paradox cycle)
Maybe not literally
I have strong doubts Paradox can change the past
Maybe the lake where paradox takes place can but it's overthinking with no evidence
azure bay
He has a point
It looks like the island is floating over the forest without drowning or drifting away
Well, the lake may exist in all these realities
And just be some kind of a portal into the forest
There's still water
Still land
Still caves
Maybe you just see and feel them less as you transition
I assume there was a lake
but the reality became thinner there
vivid bridge
what I really want to know is if a person can enter the hell state from the wheel
which is just represented by the lake's forest on the wheel
maybe thats what happened to Rose idk
azure bay
did you hear an idea that trees could be what's supposed to be "souls of sinners"?
however for Rose it seems more positive
like for her it's not naraka but nirvana
vivid bridge
yeah
actually
So if an asura dies they become an animal, maybe when a corrupted soul dies they become a tree (aka "hell")? Thats kinda what happened to Mr. Rabbit in Birthday
azure bay
I wouldn't be so sure about Rabbit becoming a tree
vivid bridge
yeah but its the closest thing we've seen about whats probably a corrupted soul dying
azure bay
for starters there was a tree even before he came there. It just blossomed when Rabbit withered away
considering the cube floating above it, I'd rather bet on that tree somehow representing Dale's soul
vivid bridge
yeah I was just trying to connect dots
azure bay
didn't think of him in that way until... Chad... 🥺
vivid bridge
it took until he killed Chad to dislike that guy? The guy who kept his nephew in a well for like 30 years? The guy that killed his own brother and his wife? The guy who caused his sister to commit suicide?
well yeah "hell" is the place, the state you'd become is naraka
azure bay
it took until he killed Chad to dislike that guy? The guy who kept his nephew in...
sometimes we all overreact
vivid bridge
azure bay
eh?
but the guests are still around terrorising the lake and only Dale can somehow stop them
vivid bridge
I hope when he ascends to Deva, he just gets a gun
azure bay
Case 23
vivid bridge
yeah
azure bay
Birthday
vivid bridge
well thats debatable
;)
I still believe that the birthday rabbit is a different person from hotel rabbit
azure bay
I still believe that the birthday rabbit is a different person from hotel rabbit
you do you
vivid bridge
yes
I don't think the hotel guests are the eilanders
but I don't want to get into this right now
no :)
azure bay
Phe just thinks that masks and foreshadowing isn't enough
since we see 2 rabbits in the same room
vivid bridge
yeah and the games are consistent with the differences between them
and also the hotel guests aren't anything like the eilanders outside of like gerard
azure bay
yeah and the games are consistent with the differences between them
I'd say, the games are consistent with their similarities ¯_(ツ)_/¯
vivid bridge
I mean, who doesn't
azure bay
back to being productive
vivid bridge
okay
azure bay
it seems, somehow ||Albert's CS existed even before TPW started||
high talon
vivid bridge
So what do you think? Is he?
vivid bridge
okay I think we should change the discussion before the mods come in here
but also you mean "she"?
azure bay
So what do you think? Is he?
either retroactively or he was corrupted without Roses
About Albert's weird timeline
what question?
who are you guys anyway?
what am I doing here?
how did I get here?
can anyone call a taxi?
vivid bridge
no you're stuck here
ooooh
I get it now
we're the naraka
we're stuck in this hell of our own making
aka #🤔｜theories
bravo rusty lake I clap
azure bay
so about Albert
how?!
ok, I can accept him lurking behind Laura
but being ||captured by Rose|| that early and staying invisible???
vivid bridge
well, I thought him lurking behind Laura was post-TPW. Like after he was revived he's now creeping around in his granddaughters memories
azure bay
well, I thought him lurking behind Laura was post-TPW. Like after he was revived...
so did I
but now I'm even unsure
vivid bridge
hmmm
maybe
I always figured that Real Life Albert wasn't revived, that just happened in the memory
I guess it could have happened in both
azure bay
I'm confused how he's corrupted if PRose had to deliberately make that happen
following FRose's instructions
vivid bridge
I guess Real Life PRose revived him, then realised she needed help from the future so she spent the next whatever years to build a machine so that she could help Memory PRose revive Memory PAlbert instead of the real one?
azure bay
I have problems with that. If PRose didn't know she needed to do that without FRose, how would FRose do that back at her time? She had quite a small window before burial
also I have problems with coins
how the heck it was enough?
vivid bridge
well, somehow Real Life PRose must have revived Albert as a CS without FRose's help
vivid bridge
how the heck it was enough?
ehhh its just gameplay
azure bay
lore and sense breaking gameplay, mind you
vivid bridge
its like how making elixir is super inconsistent. Sometimes its this whole elaborate thing and sometimes you put two liquids together and bam, elixir. Sometimes the games just need a quick way of doing something
azure bay
its like how making elixir is super inconsistent. Sometimes its this whole elabo...
yes, I understand that RL magic system is quite soft. But that rather looks like a complete lack of system whatsoever
James didn't corrupt
tons of dead men before him didn't corrupt
vivid bridge
yeah but what else are you proposing? The coins were actually microscopic corruption machines?
azure bay
the only proposal I have, Roses had nothing to do with Albert's corruption
but TPW heavily implies otherwise
vivid bridge
TPW is already super wack with the lore. How can Albert just create a fucking golden cube when it took Mr. Owl like 100 years of planning and moving chess pieces and stuff
azure bay
TPW is already super wack with the lore. How can Albert just *create* a fucking ...
I have a theory but you're goddamn right
it's weird, it ruins expectations and the devs are better to explain it rather sooner than later
azure bay
TPW is already super wack with the lore. How can Albert just *create* a fucking ...
and, to be more precise, 50 years. But that's beyond the point
vivid bridge
Rose really abandonded her own daughter to spend 50 years working to bring back her shitty dad
azure bay
Rose really abandonded her own daughter to spend 50 years working to bring back ...
well
if we assume that ||Albert's CS had its vicious plans on Laura|| negotiating with it could be an option
vivid bridge
yeah okay but thats another reason to not revive him
azure bay
yeah okay but thats another reason to *not* revive him
living Albert could be ||friendlier once the damage is undone||
he actualy was quite friendly
vivid bridge
I don't think this guy is friendly
vital bobcat
can anyone help me understand why mr rabbit still exists in his corrupted form even after killing dales family?
azure bay
I don't think this guy is friendly
towards ousiders maybe
but Rose is family
||and Laura is pricious to her||
vital bobcat
||and Laura is pricious to her||
why did laura still die then
azure bay
and ||Chad technically works for an enemy||
azure bay
why did laura still die then
for other reason than Albert
vital bobcat
for other reason than Albert
why'd she kill herself
azure bay
Depression? Dale's CS? Owl's shemes? Dale's CS causing depression according to Owl's schemes?
vivid bridge
she was just a girlboss and took matters into her own hands
vital bobcat
Depression? Dale's CS? Owl's shemes? Dale's CS causing depression according to O...
whats cs
azure bay
corrupted soul
vital bobcat
man the vanderboom family is still understandable
I dont understand the eilander family
vivid bridge
can anyone help me understand why mr rabbit still exists in his corrupted form e...
We don't really understand how the substance of past lives stuff works in practice
Presumably it just didn't work as he thought
vital bobcat
ahhh
azure bay
can anyone help me understand why mr rabbit still exists in his corrupted form e...
for me, because time travel
Rabbit probably went on rampage some time after the main story
frosty wolf
can someone tell me what was Mr. Rabbit's state during Birthday? Was he corrupted or was he in his rabbit form
vivid bridge
it depends on certain things
some people (thats me) believe that Mr. Rabbit from Birthday is not the same one as from the Hotel, so in that case he wouldn't be corrupted. If it is the same Mr. Rabbit, then yes, he's corrupted
azure bay
some people (thats me) believe that Mr. Rabbit from Birthday is not the same one...
I think here it doesn't matter who is who
vivid bridge
well, if David isn't Hotel-Rabbit, then there's no reason he would be corrupted
azure bay
I don't expect asuras to kill in order to escape their state
vivid bridge
yeah thats true
frosty wolf
well, if David isn't Hotel-Rabbit, then there's no reason he would be corrupted
hmm but you see the Hotel Rabbits' soul looks like the Birthday rabbit
vivid bridge
hmm but you see the Hotel Rabbits' soul looks like the Birthday rabbit
Ah-HA! Gotcha!
It doesn't
thats the whole crux of my theory lol
azure bay
It *doesn't*
but it does the only freaking difference are whiskers
azure bay
Yeah but they're important
actually, we have no idea how important they are
one looks like a dead creep and the other looks like a dead creep
frosty wolf
Mr. Rabbit when he was alive in the Rabbit Room was very different than what we saw in Mr. Owl's room that was supposed to be the same rabbit's soul
azure bay
Mr. Rabbit when he was alive in the Rabbit Room was very different than what we ...
we don't discuss that at the moment
we discuss if the Birthday visitor is corrupted or not
azure bay
And I say he is because he looks corrupted from a distance, during a jumpscare, and even resembles Rabbit's corrupted soul
vivid bridge
He doesn't act like a corrupted soul
azure bay
and even the chest alludes to corrupted souls in 2 whole languages
vivid bridge
also on that one anniversary image, it is a mask worn by David. Idk if this counts for anything
Hotel-Rabbit is a full animal
azure bay
also on that one anniversary image, it *is* a mask worn by David. Idk if this co...
it doesn't it's clearly a cosplayer going to the convention
frosty wolf
we don't discuss that at the moment
but this also links to if who is who cause if the Rabbit in Birthday was the same Rabbit back in Hotel than that would make the birthday rabbit the hotel rabbit (which would make the Birthday Rabbit a corrupted soul) if they were different then we could say that the Birthday Rabbit would have lots of sense to be not corrupted
vivid bridge
yeah but the other cosplayers have full head costumes, while this guy doesn't
azure bay
He doesn't *act* like a corrupted soul
and about that
he does
because only corrupted souls like William are expected to kill for rebirth
vivid bridge
whatcha mean
azure bay
I mean their despair
for them, a mere existence is a seemingly never-ending suffering
that's why they are usually aggressive
vivid bridge
yeah but they don't usually dress up and shoot people with guns and then leave written notes
they're usually a lot more animalistic
azure bay
yeah but they don't usually dress up and shoot people with guns and then leave w...
and that I think because he went very far on his journey already. You have to admit, he still has a ton of corrupted vibes. And the chest has to mean him because there's no one else in Birthday
vivid bridge
what does this mean
azure bay
what does this mean
hungry ghost too
vivid bridge
ah
lame
man, why does this series gotta be so inconsistent
do.. do corrupted souls bleed?
like from his blood to his brown hands, I just don't buy this guy being a corrupted soul
azure bay
do.. do corrupted souls bleed?
normally they don't
except when they want to write something spooky on mirrors
vivid bridge
yeah but thats not their blood
azure bay
then whose? 
vivid bridge
its just red paint
vivid bridge
she's probably in her 50s
azure bay
that would be some time around early Seasons
vivid bridge
You think its relevant?
azure bay
I still think Rose could initiate Seasons for her daughter
but when is a different matter
the devise is peculiar
like it seems too detailed to be just an ARG easter egg
@vivid bridge don't you think?
looks like some kind of ||cube-powered chamber||
vivid bridge
yeah definitely
azure bay
a personal question
Would you like BKM as a concept more if it was more highlighted in other gqmes?
vivid bridge
I think i'd prefer it if it had an actual impact on the games
which it might have here
okay so on the left window, you can kinda see two bumps which seem to have the same lighter color as the thing on the bottom. So maybe its person shaped? Idk what it would be, though
azure bay
an electric chair?
vivid bridge
might be
could be anything at this point
yeah I guess those black lines could be cables
Actually, yeah
its not cube powered, its a cube extractor
its like the thing in Mrs. Pigeons room
vivid bridge
you think thats how the train tape was created? Laura was put there?
azure bay
on the security footage they take an existing cube for all the procedures
azure bay
you think thats how the train tape was created? Laura was put there?
no idea
I have problems with all these tapes
they supposedly belong to Rose or Laura but they feature them from 3rd person perspective
vivid bridge
yeah
well, thats just kinda how the memory cubes work, too
well, actually
no
nvm
so this could be a tape belonging to Asura-Harvey then?
azure bay
I don't think the devs would lie about such things in Paradox movie, honestly
and acutally...
they didn't
vivid bridge
Also the little chest here makes me think that this will be a playable thing
azure bay
they didn't
in TPW you can see the memory owner inside the cube
hmmm
now, as I'm thinking about it
could the black cube belong to Albert since she already contains him in the tank?
maybe not, he's supposed to be unconscious in The Past initially
and while "entering" the cube Rose was more like taking her other body before it channels the consciousness further
or maybe that works for any cube as long as the other-self is inside?
vivid bridge
no idea
carmine field
You guys discussed a lot today, I'll read everything soon
carmine field
Why so many deleted messages?
carmine field
do.. do corrupted souls bleed?
If we count the deer in Case 23, yes
azure bay
If we count the deer in Case 23, yes
Somehow, I wouldn't
carmine field
and that I think because he went very far on his journey already. You have to ad...
"he went very far on his journey already"
I find it similar to the ending of Roots, where William was 'absorbing' the sacrifices (said to be the substance of his past lives) and changing his form until he was finally reborn
That said, I believe Birthday gun isn't the only substance Mr. Rabbit was looking for. He possibly found other substances off-screen
vivid bridge
Why so many deleted messages?
bruh guy just evaporated
floral mauve
and ||Chad technically works for an enemy||
I dont get it
I thought Rose is also in bkm which is quite obvious atm
I think Albert is hostile towards Laura is still mainly due to William
not hostile, lets say, stalking
covert wyvern
bruh guy just evaporated
They admitted to breaking discord tos, yeah that'll net you a ban.
Either way now that I've solved that mystery for you; let's focus on the theories again:)
ripe flame
I don't think this guy is friendly
Want is that? And what are another screenshots? Is it from me game?
swift void
like from his blood to his brown hands, I just don't buy this guy being a corrup...
Maybe he was still a person in the memory? Like he got corrupt some time after he killed dales family. Or does an animal head indicate the corruption?
I dont completly understand the lore(partly bcause i had only played the free games and demos) but maybe this is at least a little bit senceable
ripe flame
I thought Mr.Rabbit somehow reborn after he got corrupted in the Hotel?
ripe flame
Is hotel before or after cube eskape?
In the bday there is a later year than in hotel, so yeh maybe?
swift void
Huh
Idunno then
swift void
Oh ok, didnt know that
steel imp
Is hotel before or after cube eskape?
Usually all cube escape games happen after the ones that start with "Rusty Lake"
I don't think there's a single Cube Escape game that fully happens before Paradise, Hotel or Roots
steel imp
I dont completly understand the lore(partly bcause i had only played the free ga...
I'll share with you some views of mine
You usually get corrupted when you create a Black Cube when extracting a bad memory or, alternatevely, being the unlucky one of the two when driking the elixir
An animal head (with a human body attached to it, to be clear) indicates that such person as reached an higher state, the demon. This happens when you drink the elixir, and comes with some extensive advantages, like longevity, human masking and power over "the lake"
Now with animal head I don't mean a mask, like the one that Mr. Rabbit is wearing in Birthday
terse niche
The events of the Rusty Lake Hotel game take place in 1893 and the Dale's birthday events originally took place in 1939 and are revised in 1972 in Cube Escape.:Birthday
terse niche
I'm just saying 
terse niche
Dale returns to his birthday memory cube in 1972
steel imp
Yes
terse niche
that's what i mean revisited
steel imp
Oooh ok
Well, yes. Dale manages to go back to 1939, sees everything for the second time, then blue cube and changes the past
terse niche
Mr. Rabbit from Hotel maybe is not the same from Birthday because they are quite different.
steel imp
No way
They are certified to by the same
If you recall paradox (if you played it)
When you call Mr. Rabbit the number is D. Eilander
However in Birthday it leaves a letter as Mr. Rabbit
They have not the same appereance because Mr. Rabbit got corrupted, and to hide it chise some nice clothes and a mask
steel imp
Now with animal head I don't mean a mask, like the one that Mr. Rabbit is wearin...
This is what I was refering to before
terse niche
Yes. That's pretty cool and reinforces the theory that the guests could have been the Eilanders reborn as an asura by the ritual that created Mr. Owl
steel imp
There's a "but"?
terse niche
a but?
steel imp
Yes
Like
...by the ritual that created Mr. Owl, BUT...
I was expecting one by how the message was phrased
terse niche
I imagine that Mr. Owl wanted revenge on his family, hence the Rusty Lake Hotel events, but Mr. Rabbit was the wrong one.
terse niche
I believe that Mr. Owl wanted revenge on his family, so he invited, killed, corrupted and imprisoned the guests of the Rusty Lake Hotel.
terse niche
But David Eilander might not be Mr. Rabbit that we see in the Hotel.
steel imp
Could you explain yourself
You're concerned just about the appereance or something else?
terse niche
I don't have anything that really says that to be honest. Only in David's possible interest in ceasing to be a corrupted soul or an asura and for that, having to kill Dale's parents.
There is two Mr. Rabbits in Rusty Lake Hotel
If I remember correctly
terse niche
Yes. I vaguely remember, but we have a brown Mr. Rabbit and white Mr. Rabbit also appears.
steel imp
First, that's racist
terse niche
I could be wrong
steel imp
Second, there are sctually two forms of Mr. Rabbit
terse niche
steel imp
But there's not two colors of them
There's his asura form
And then its corrupted form
Now I'll show you something
This is probably the white mr rabbit
You're refering to
This it's his corrupted form
terse niche
Oh! That one!
steel imp
Now look closely to the Mr. Rabbit you see in birthday
terse niche
He looks more like he's dressed in black, disguised than he's really corrupted.
steel imp
terse niche
Exactly
steel imp
The only thing that changes is a nice clothing and a mask in paradox
vivid bridge
I mean, I don't really get your argument. Are you saying Mr. Rabbit from Birthday is the corrupted Hotel-Rabbit... wearing a mask?
vivid bridge
Cause I do agree that the Birthday-Rabbit wears a mask, as signified by the whiskers and the brown hands
the corrupted soul doesn't have whiskers
its a very small detail but its very consistent across the games
vivid bridge
well also the fact that the Birthday-Rabbit (aka David) acts nothing like a corrupted soul
I also don't think the Eilanders are the hotel guests
So Hotel-Rabbit isn't David
vivid bridge
The only thing the Eilanders and the guests have in common is the animal theme and that the boars like to eat. Everything else doesn't add up. The character traits, the ages, their jobs, etc
terse niche
Well, while I believe in the need to obtain cubes, the events at the Rusty Lake Hotel feel very personal.
vivid bridge
I was just about to say that people only think the eilanders are the guests so that Hotel is like a revenge story
steel imp
You are saying that David Eilandet (aka Whiskers Rabbit) appears in Mr. Rabbit windows for no particular reason, then Mr. Rabbit (aka. Bald Rabbit) goes and kills Dale'a family, bit then David Eilander reappears in Paradox and does the same thing
Do you have a plausible explanation for this?
vivid bridge
no, David kills Dale's parrents (and appears outside the window). Hotel-Rabbit just gets corrupted and chills at the bottom of the lake with the other hotel guests
steel imp
no, David kills Dale's parrents (and appears outside the window). Hotel-Rabbit j...
But then the whiskers, which you arguments entirely stands on, are inconsistant
vivid bridge
no they're not
steel imp
Also it doesn't make sense that one's corrupted soul is identical to another one's asura
vivid bridge
well its not
terse niche
We never see what happens to the Eilanders after the end of Paradise. We only see Mr. Owl born. Whereas all the guests match exactly the same animals as the Eilander masks. And it all feels super personal after all the guests are personally killed, corrupted and imprisoned
vivid bridge
David is wearing a mask
If David is an asura, he's a brown rabbit as shown by his hands. He just wears a white mask that has whiskers
steel imp
If David is an asura, he's a brown rabbit as shown by his hands. He just wears a...
There's no way for you to survive 300 years without being an asura
If david eilander was alive and well to shoot up Dale's family
Or he was a ghost (CS)
Or he was an asura
To you the choice
steel imp
I call them gloves
vivid bridge
could be
steel imp
Anyway
steel imp
Also it doesn't make sense that one's corrupted soul is identical to another one...
Then
vivid bridge
its not
both rabbit asuras are brown (if he's not wearing gloves)
Hotel-Rabbit's CS is white while David is just wearing a white mask
terse niche
For me there are 2 diferrent Mr. Rabbits.
steel imp
Hotel-Rabbit's CS is white while David is just wearing a white mask
But David got a mask only in Paradox
terse niche
The white one and the brown one
steel imp
But David got a mask only in Paradox
He didn't have this privilege in Birthday
And I have an explanation for it
Paradox is a generation that comes from both Dale's mind and from the Paradox machine
vivid bridge
its the same design
steel imp
Let me explain
vivid bridge
or you mean this?
steel imp
or you mean this?
I know that he has a mask by that
In the movie masks are more realistic
So you can't say that its production related
steel imp
Let me explain
.
terse niche
Still, it doesn't mean it's a mask in Birthday or Hotel
steel imp
Paradox is a generation that comes from both Dale's mind and from the Paradox ma...
That is not a precise door to reality like other cubes
It requires Dale's mind to work on it and bring it mentally back to life
Now, considering that Dale had a trauma
It's difficult to recall the exact face of someone that you saw for 5 seconds (because paradox happens before birthday) and that killed your family
So what better way to recall him than just a mask
Problem solved for evrypne
terse niche
vivid bridge
I mean, I feel like thats assuming a lot about how people's brains work in fiction
steel imp
And you're basing and argument on rabbit mustaches
vivid bridge
well yeah at least thats tangible information
here's something else. The David cosplayer is specifically wearing a small face-only mask while the Mr. Crow cosplayer has a whole head covering mask
vivid bridge
yeah but that scene in Paradox is Birthday. You're assuming that his design changed based on how Dale perceives him
vivid bridge
well at least we understand each other
terse niche
This image looks more like people in costume. The corrupted soul is clearly a guy in a black costume and mask.
steel imp
We know
vivid bridge
This image looks more like people in costume. The corrupted soul is clearly a gu...
yeah thats what i'm saying
terse niche
So I don't know if this confirms anything
vivid bridge
i'm saying that if David was a full transformed white rabbit, the cosplayer would resemble that like the Mr. Crow and Mr. Boar cosplayers
but he doesn't
He specifically cosplays David wearing a mask
terse niche
And where did you see that David would be wearing a mask in Paradox?
vivid bridge
I think its a mask due to him not acting like a corrupted soul and his hands being brown
and yeah, the tv thing
steel imp
I think it's a mask because paradox is a far more popular game than birthdsy
One it's a whole production tied with a 1 hour film
terse niche
Well, considering that that TV image is an image of "real" reality (like the film), there is no such thing as a person who has a head like a rabbit in real life.
steel imp
The other is a flash game
Might have the same lore importance
But not the same audience
I, for example, discovered the RL franchise from steam
And by what game?
Cube Escape Paradox
vivid bridge
I just don't see how you can argue that he is an animal person but Dale perceives him as just a guy wearing a mask. That's stretching it I feel like
terse niche
So if someone played Mr. Rabbit in reality, he obviously needs to wear a rabbit mask/head
steel imp
I just don't see how you can argue that he *is* an animal person but Dale percei...
I already explained it to you
Dale has seen for a too short amount of time
He fsintly remembered it was a rabbit
It's confirmed by channel 369
There are visual diffeences between birthday and paradix
What do you want more?
steel imp
There are visual diffeences between birthday and paradix
The teeth for example
By the angle of birthday Mr. Rabbit you could have seen the teeth
But they weren't there
Why
vivid bridge
I think thats just a redesign thing
steel imp
Because the teeth are an artifact of Dale's mind
terse niche
In paradox there are several Dales. Including an asura (or god) Dale with a deer's head, a corrupted Dale, a real Dale (from the real world played by David Bowles) and many others. They are all real in their loops
vivid bridge
the only reason why i'm pointing the whiskers out is because they are consistent. The Corrupted Soul of Hotel-Rabbit never has them while David always has them
steel imp
In paradox there are several Dales. Including an asura (or god) Dale with a deer...
So? What do you want to conclude?
steel imp
the only reason why i'm pointing the whiskers out is because they *are* consiste...
That isn't true
terse niche
That's why I don't think any Mr. Rabbit wears a mask. Is just a real person that need to wear a rabbit mask to look Mr. Rabbit
vivid bridge
Show me an example where thats not true
steel imp
That isn't true
The guy that was cosplaying Mr. Rabbit hasn't had them
vivid bridge
The guy that was cosplaying Mr. Rabbit hasn't had them
...
hm yeah
you got me there
vivid bridge
Okay but in the games themselves its consistent
terse niche
That's why I don't think any Mr. Rabbit wears a mask. Is just a real person that...
@steel imp ↑
steel imp
Sometimes ear hairs are missing between one onother
vivid bridge
its just weird how in the same game, they specifically gave one whiskers while the other one doesn't
and also what do you think the window ghost is?
steel imp
That's why I don't think any Mr. Rabbit wears a mask. Is just a real person that...
I already told you that one can't survive 300 years withkut being an asura. A normal guy usually can't co tha5
terse niche
This conversation strikes me as the exact same problem with Dale's grandfather and Mr. Crow being identical.
steel imp
This conversation strikes me as the exact same problem with Dale's grandfather a...
What are you talking about?
terse niche
And that's why I agree with you. I stand with it stating that he is an asura.
steel imp
and also what do you think the window ghost is?
Its called foreshadowing
terse niche
Because I think Dale's grandfather is a lot like Mr. Crow to be conscience.
Then I was told it was an artistic choice, that Mr. Crow from The Cave was darker than Grandpa, etc.
vivid bridge
That's why I don't think any Mr. Rabbit wears a mask. Is just a real person that...
Like in that picture with cosplayers, there are different ways of portraying rusty lake characters. Mr. Crow in Paradox wears a full on head on his shoulders because thats just how you portray a magical humanoid crow creature. David on the other hand is just portrayed by a man wearing a face-only mask. If you wanted him to appear as a legit magic rabbit man, he would also need the full mask
steel imp
Because I think Dale's grandfather is a lot like Mr. Crow to be conscience.
That's more complex. We are talking about cubes here, not a paradox room. Saying that Crow face was mismashed onto Granpa because of past experience is a big big stretch. It would be in fault with what we know about cubes
steel imp
Like in that picture with cosplayers, there are different ways of portraying rus...
Oh right
You just gave me an idea
Those two
Those two are the traditional aldous vanderboom
They have their little eyes closed
But this guy
Oh
This guy has his eyes opened
Blasphemy
There are two Aldous Vanderboom
terse niche
vivid bridge
terse niche
steel imp
What now
terse niche
I guess some things will never be answered. 
steel imp
So I was wandering
terse niche
If I could choose, it would be a feline.
steel imp
So I was wandering
I scrolled up a bit in this thread
vivid bridge
my theory is that when Dale becomes a deva, he'll look like a small mexican chihuahua
steel imp
And some people seem to speak alone
terse niche
my theory is that when Dale becomes a deva, he'll look like a small mexican chih...
It would be cool at least
vivid bridge
nah I hope the deva form is something completely original
not just Dale with an animal head
steel imp
And some people seem to speak alone
Like there's this nowhere
terse niche
That would be really amazing
steel imp
Like there's this nowhere
That has two pages of messages
And it seems that he's replying to someone
But there's no message in between
vivid bridge
oh yesterday?
vivid bridge
yeah we were talking to this new guy who then got banned for violating the discord rules
terse niche
steel imp
yeah we were talking to this new guy who then got banned for violating the disco...
Did he spam pornography
Or similar stuff
vivid bridge
nah he said he had modded discord
steel imp
Oh
vivid bridge
I think thats the thing that got him banned
steel imp
Ok
terse niche
o.o
vivid bridge
its a shame, he was a knowledgable guy
He was like another nowhere
which might be too much nowhere tbh
terse niche
Davas look quite human.
terse niche
It would be cool of Dale look like Ganesha
vivid bridge
I still think it would be a crazy plot twist if Dale died and Laura became a deva
terse niche
Or Kali
steel imp
I still think it would be a crazy plot twist if Dale died and Laura became a dev...
Yeah that would be awful
For as much as its possible
terse niche
The only problem with this guy is that it's hard to talk about theories sometimes. He has good ideas but he acts like he knows everything and other theories are obviously wrong.
steel imp
The only problem with this guy is that it's hard to talk about theories sometime...
Are you talking about nowhere?
steel imp
I read a couple messages of his and he seems to be very respectful of other ideas
terse niche
Well, I may have misunderstood.
But as I said, ideas are good and it's great when we reach a common denominator
azure bay
i'm saying that if David was a full transformed white rabbit, the cosplayer woul...
that's just a stretch, forget about the cosplayers
vivid bridge
never
azure bay
//_-
azure bay
What do you think about this?
about what exactly?
steel imp
About the Eilander/guests dilemma?
azure bay
I think there's no dilemma. Until I see the second group of asuras looking specifically like these animals, I'll deny their existence
steel imp
What do you think about the rabbit mustaches?
azure bay
What do you think about the rabbit mustaches?
2 options
- an error due to design evolution (All 4 rabbits have some lines in common)
so much that you could see a transition from brown Rabbit to his corrupted soul and to Birthday Rabbit
- it's deliberate
There's strong evidence that Mr. Rabbit is somehow corrupted in Birthday
yet he doesn't look corrupted
steel imp
You could theoretically put up clothes and hide the black spiky part
azure bay
that's even beyond that
despite all corrupted vibes and clues, he's pretty much alive
he bleeds
and he definitely has some Dale-like rebirth journey
so I've got an idea that he evolved during that journey
1st whiskers
than eventually flesh and blood and dapper suit
steel imp
I think that's not necessary
I think he didn't evolve
And I have an example to back it up
Cube Escape: The Lake
When we fish with the prown head
A corrupted soul comes up
But when we cut it he has flesh, and consequntaly blood, in it
Not only
He has clothes
azure bay
But when we cut it he has flesh, and consequntaly blood, in it
I think it's a different story. It's clearly a dead corpse with a soul dormant inside. Like it was dormant inside Laura or Albert
when they were dead
and we needed some trigger to awaken them
vivid bridge
A corrupted soul comes up
I hate playing that card but I think thats just early installment weirdness. Like when they made Seasons/The Lake, they hadn't invented the concept of "corrupted souls" yet, it was just a creepy corpse
steel imp
and we needed some trigger to awaken them
Well, yes. But when we actually trigger its corrupted nature, its clothes don't just disappear. They're still there
azure bay
I hate playing that card but I think thats just early installment weirdness. Lik...
but dude, I've just told how it fits into the newer lore
vivid bridge
yeah i'm just saying what the original intention is
steel imp
I hate playing that card but I think thats just early installment weirdness. Lik...
That's nonsense
vivid bridge
You can definitely explain it your way, nowhere
azure bay
Well, yes. But when we actually trigger its corrupted nature, its clothes don't ...
but unlike Rabbit they are corrupted as well
azure bay
yeah i'm just saying what the original intention is
the original intention suspisiously works well with The Mill
which is pretty early too
steel imp
but unlike Rabbit they are corrupted as well
Explain yourself
azure bay
Explain yourself
Laura's dress, Albert's suit, Bob's outfit - all were consumed during corruption. In some cases even preserved after the corruption is gone.
It's different for Rabbit. His suit isn't consumed by corruption
it's a normal suit
steel imp
I argue that's just arbitrary
Like when we awaken the corpse the clothes don't get consumed
azure bay
Like when we awaken the corpse the clothes don't get consumed
because 1st and foremost, it's a naked corpse
steel imp
A naked corpse?
azure bay
with a CS hining inside like Venom
vivid bridge
nah the corpse was wearing clothes
vivid bridge
its like a full body diving suit or something
steel imp
A swimsuit
vivid bridge
yeah yeah
steel imp
And if they weren't clothes
azure bay
swimsuits don't cover feet
azure bay
all you see is rot
steel imp
I could wear a log if I wanted too
Or someone else skin
That would still be outer material
And by your logic
That should get consumed too
But it doesn't
azure bay
because we never see the corrupted soul fully awaikened
vivid bridge
I mean, presumably this is the same guy
azure bay
corruption gradually spreads across the body
steel imp
What establishes that the soul is awakened
azure bay
I mean, presumably this is the same guy
maybe, maybe not, maybe Dale, maybe Pigeon
steel imp
I mean, presumably this is the same guy
I agree, but he could just have removed manually his clothes, or maybe we don't see them for the low contrast of the scene
azure bay
I agree, but he could just have removed manually his clothes, or maybe we don't ...
guys, that's the same sprite used in Seasons
just a void black corrupted soul
steel imp
Then I could even argue that the incosistancy its fruit of the dev reusing a sprite
The thing is
steel imp
What establishes that the soul is awakened
.
azure bay
they always reuse sprites for corrupted souls
azure bay
.
you see it taking over the whole body and walking around probably killing you in the process
vivid bridge
the closest thing to the corpse in The Lake is Bob's corruption in Theatre and even there he fully corrupts
steel imp
you see it taking over the whole body and walking around probably killing you in...
But that's a circle argument
It's awakened, so it takea over the body
It takes over the body, so it's awakened
azure bay
It's awakened, so it takea over the body
at least initially that's not the case in The Lake
it's really a corpse
immobile
steel imp
Just because it's immobile doesn't mean it's dead
I could argue that is gameplay related
It isn't moving cuz we ain't touching it
azure bay
It isn't moving cuz we ain't touching it
but we were while catching it
steel imp
What do you mean?
azure bay
1st with a hook
then she had to drag it onto the peer
then dispose it
it looks dead and doesn't look corrupted
it's not void black
unlike the vaaaaaaaaaaaaast majority of corrupted souls
it even has an unrotten forearm
steel imp
That's still a circle argument
It has clothes
It has clothes, and considering that its diffrent by the others, it's not a corrupted soul
azure bay
It has clothes, and considering that its diffrent by the others, it's not a corr...
what is?
steel imp
It's not a corrupted soul, so if he has clothes, that's irrelevant
azure bay
that's not the point
the clothes and corruption are 2 separate matters
1st statement (the relevant one for Rabbit argument)
It's a dead corpse that becomes corrupted for a brief moment
azure bay
You don't just get corrupted "for a brief moment"
initially it's just a corpse
azure bay
ok, I'll reiterate
steel imp
The fact that he doesn't move it's irrelevant
azure bay
initially it LOOKS LIKE a dead corpse
steel imp
Ok
azure bay
but it has a CS dormant inside. Just like Laura's corpse or Albert's corpse
steel imp
But I'm saying that the CS
Isn't dormant
I say that he acted following a structured plan
I say that he didn't move to be fished unsuspisously
azure bay
But I'm saying that the CS
If it was simply a CS, it would be void black, amorphous, wiggling, walking around and probably killing people
steel imp
And get a hold on how the cabin was structured
steel imp
If it was simply a CS, it would be void black, amorphous, wiggling, walking arou...
I repeat, yours is a circle argument
azure bay
I repeat, yours is a circle argument
but it's not
steel imp
We are discussing if the CS can have clothes
azure bay
that's not what we're discussing right now
we're discussing in what way that corpse is a CS
steel imp
If you discard that with "CS are just void black" then there's nithing for me to argue on
steel imp
we're discussing in what way that corpse is a CS
But to discuss that we have to first understand if it can wear clothes, and what is mentally capable to do
vivid bridge
this is such a stupid argument
steel imp
You are doing too many assumption that are unproven
azure bay
You are doing too many assumption that are unproven
like what?
steel imp
If it was simply a CS, it would be void black, amorphous, wiggling, walking arou...
And all of these assumption are summarized her
azure bay
ok, let's ger some statistics
steel imp
You are saying that the CS has to be void black, has to move and has to be dangerous
steel imp
ok, let's ger some statistics
No
azure bay
ok, not statistics, precedents
steel imp
That's the same thing
You are considering other cases
You don't need statistic when something happens right before you
I have concrete proof that this can happen
azure bay
You are considering other cases
because normally different cases abide the same rules. And things that don't are exceptions for one reason or another
steel imp
Look at it this way. You are a corrupted soul, you are trapped between the actual real rusty lake and the etheral, wider lake
You are between both realities
Not in the forest
But not even in the real world
azure bay
it's quite a stretch saying that the corpse from physical world is in the one
We have a ton of references of corrupted souls
steel imp
Ok I have made up my mind again
It's true, the problem it's not related to physics
Let me start again
You are a corrupted soul who's in need to balance the substances of his past life
azure bay
so?
steel imp
So you climb up the lake
azure bay
why?
steel imp
But hey, you don't know how the place that you are going to assault is made
steel imp
But hey, you don't know how the place that you are going to assault is made
So you pretend to be just a corpes
But this crazy lady opens you up with a knife, and you reveal for a moment your true nature
Now disxovered, you flee to rise again
azure bay
So you pretend to be just a corpes
dude, what you are saying looks like a fanfic
steel imp
Since you had enough time to inspect the encoirnement
azure bay
and doesn't even describe the observed reality
steel imp
and doesn't even describe the observed reality
Explain yourself
azure bay
the soul doesn't panic
steel imp
I didn't say that
azure bay
or whatever
steel imp
I said that he reveals its nature in a slip
azure bay
I said that he reveals its nature in a slip
twice
and after both times keeps lying on the peer
steel imp
By pain or something
steel imp
and after both times keeps lying on the peer
Yes
azure bay
until we click on it to probably drop back into the lake
steel imp
I claim this is all gameplay related
azure bay
we have all the time in the world to take the apple
steel imp
I claim this is all gameplay related
.
azure bay
the soul doesn't try to stop us
steel imp
Bevause it hasn't time to realize it
azure bay
and you base the whole situation on a very specific fanfic-level assumption
steel imp
I claim thst in the lore, the kinfe cuts are at a distance of a second, and when we try to give the third, the "corpse" escapes
steel imp
and you base the whole situation on a very specific fanfic-level assumption
It's not fan-fix
A corrupted soul has the mental capabilities (lore wise) to put on a plan like this
We play as a corrupted soul through seasons, and we manage to put to function a complex system to power up a phone
Corrupted soul don't go around killing because it's in their nature
They do it to escape their state of tortured ghost
Tho balance the substances of their past lives
azure bay
a desperate soul trying to swim up the lake to balance the substance of past lives (even if it's possible which is doubtful) without a single hint about it is technically a fanfiction. You try to faithfully fill the gaps where the devs left them