🤔｜theories

[vivid bridge]

this is the chronologically latest moment we've seen

he's still going up, to the hotel

anyways lets talk about the most important part of this franchise lets talk about the mammoth can we talk about the mammoth please i've been dying to talk about the mammoth okay

I don't actually have anything to say about the mammoth. Would be cool to see like an origin story for the lake itself but it seems unlikely. I think the devs would rather keep the lake something vague and unexplained

[floral mauve]

Sorry I was off a bit

That’s a good point, but there isn’t enough content for a new game I think

[vivid bridge]

There definitely is. Worst case just do a repeat of Hotel with you having to solve each room again, this time with the corrupted souls inside it

you can do a lot of cool things with Dale reaching the hotel

[floral mauve]

Plus it’s different than the original planning a bit, like Dale did not have the golden cube in hand while ascending

[vivid bridge]

well yeah that stuff was added later

[floral mauve]

So the to be continued can’t be used as an evidence I guess

[vivid bridge]

yeah okay but Mr. Owl does say "now, continue your journey"

[floral mauve]

Simply means get back in elevator and reach hotel, literal journey💀

Also he did reach a higher state of consciousness

Overcome trauma

He is ready when he finishes theatre, just needs to reach hotel after elevator ends

[vivid bridge]

yeah and I wanna see that

Is it too much to ask to actually see the climax of the story

[floral mauve]

I thought golden cube is pretty climax

U expect Dale using magic and killing?

Sounds pretty cool ngl

[vivid bridge]

All of Paradox is just setup, you know

Mr Owl says he is gonna turn into a fish in the future

Show me the moment where Dale turns into an animal, show me Mr Owl turning into a fish, show me whatever is Laura's conclusion, show me the corrupted souls being defeated

I wanna see those things that have been set up for like 8 years now

[floral mauve]

Actually, I don’t think so, they have to uncover the lake origin since it’s extra plot and prologue is pretty common nowadays

[vivid bridge]

I'd like that to happen but I seriously doubt it

[floral mauve]

Tbh the young Laura game itself is prologue as well, just for CE series

Also

Another thing to expect

We might finally go back to seasons

[vivid bridge]

yeah show me how seasons fits into any of this

[floral mauve]

1981 didn’t have any uses at the moment

[vivid bridge]

yeah

I think that game is an example of early installment weirdness where the devs didn't really know where the series was going so a lot of things make no sense, like how a 1981 memory exists even though laura died in the 70s. Would be cool if they revisited that but they might not

[floral mauve]

CS being defeated…well, I think we got some options

[floral mauve]

I mean they got to mill pretty clear

After mill, well, some thick concepts and eventually everything got clearer but it left earlier games such as The lake and seasons harder to adapt all

Like the weird ceremony

Also have you watched nowhere’s video

Quite epic

I think you would like it

It’s about early games and how complex can they be if you see them in different possibilities

[vivid bridge]

oh, I didn't know nowhere made videos

Oh i've actually seen his videos recommended to me

[floral mauve]

I mean the pt2

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xgUeKDqOnoM&t=1236s

That’s how early plot can be so complicated

And that’s why Laura’s story is still unclear despite knowing she died

[vivid bridge]

i'll check it out later

[floral mauve]

It’s complex and you really need to concentrate a bit cuz I watched the video twice to get all

[vivid bridge]

yeah thats how nowhere is i'm afraid

[floral mauve]

[floral mauve]

Daily interaction with him be like

[vivid bridge]

My view on old games like seasons is to look at them from the developers perspective. Overthinking early installment weirdness rarely leads to anything

[floral mauve]

It’s not overthinking actually, you can still connect

Just need to put effort

Since they did develop a series

[azure bay]

Seasons makes a lot of sense actually

Birthday and The Past Within gave more context

Even if it's retroactive (which doubt) it fits quite well

[bright parrot]

@azure bay Can you answer the question I asked you in your dms yesterday

[azure bay]

remind me what was that

@bright parrot

[bright parrot]

When dale met bob in theatre

Was bob sad after breakup

Or Laura's death

[azure bay]

he was in the same episode of TWD

so yes

@bright parrot are we going somewhere?

[bright parrot]

If

It's after her death then yes

[azure bay]

it clearly is

[bright parrot]

Then dale and bob never should have met.

Though it's shown that they met even in TWD

Dale was so indulged in Laura's case

[azure bay]

why shouldn't they?

[bright parrot]

Coz maybe dale was in his office

[azure bay]

The office chapter starts in summer 1972

Theatre is in 1971

remember these 2 years at least

[bright parrot]

And they both remember the night differently

One saw disco party

While other saw a silent theatre

[azure bay]

disco party was a fever dream Bob saw after he shot himself

[bright parrot]

Ok

[azure bay]

"the bullet went straight through my head. And then I saw my memories drifting by"

[azure bay]

the thing they remember differently was the show itself

Owl added extra plays to the program for Dale

and seemingly modified the existing one

[bright parrot]

But the place bob was in looks so full

And Dale's empty

[azure bay]

look again

[bright parrot]

Was that really Mr.Crow

It can be

[bright parrot]

Ye

Is that crow

He said

You know what to do

[bright parrot]

I saw the walkthrough

[bright parrot]

Is this crow

Or

He looks like crow

So that was easy to replace

Though he said

You know what to do

But his voice and looks look different

@azure bay

[bright parrot]

And this is the bartender

[azure bay]

ok, I'll reiterate

[bright parrot]

The bartender in theatre

And TWD look different

[azure bay]

ok, I'll give me a moment

[bright parrot]

Eyebrows and coat

Here's what I think

They look somewhat alike

And so that makes it easy to replace

You can't put something that's not there

But you can replace or extend

@azure bay

Dale's grandpa was there

[bright parrot]

He looked a bit like crow

And crow replaced him

[bright parrot]

Okay

[azure bay]

do you get what I mean?

[bright parrot]

Yes

[azure bay]

in Paradox RL introduced a global redesign

maybe even in Paradise but in Paradox it's more noticeable

and since then every game follows that new style

The White Door, Samsara Room, The Past Within and the upcoming metro game

It's no doubt Mr. Crow himself

he had his redesign too

Honestly, I liked his checkered coat more

@bright parrot

[bright parrot]

Me too bud

[vivid bridge]

Dale has had his paradox beard in all games since, its gonna be so weird seeing him without it

[azure bay]

we kinda saw him beardless in Paradox

[vivid bridge]

ehhhh I guess? It's more just a generic head shape but yeah, that's what he'd look like

[azure bay]

nose, mouth and wrinkles

ear proportions

[vivid bridge]

yeah most people have a nose, mouth and ears. I get what you're saying but its not really a look at paradox beardless dale

[azure bay]

Dale's head is 1/3 turned to the left

imagine him en face

or at least notice the parallels

the general shapes

lines

they have a lot in common

much more than any other character in RL

[vivid bridge]

yeah but its still not a good look at beardless dale. It's too abstract

[azure bay]

we need an artist

he could use the automaton head as a reference

and draw over the beard

[vivid bridge]

I just noticed paradox dale also doesn't have sideburns

[azure bay]

nah, the physiognomy should be shorter than beard

[vivid bridge]

yeah I know i'm working on that rn

[azure bay]

He does, they are just very thin

[vivid bridge]

yeah but they're not in his sprite

[azure bay]

it was likely designed after the actor

so they are just unseen from that angle

[vivid bridge]

what a guy

[bright parrot]

https://tenor.com/view/unsee-no-cannot-cant-gif-7713014

[vivid bridge]

thats what he's gonna look like if they make a game post-theatre

[azure bay]

I think it will look better if they have guts to shave him

[bright parrot]

It better be not like that then, give him a jawline atleast

[azure bay]

because without overthinking I see no lore reason for him having beard in Paradox

[vivid bridge]

He's already shaven. He just has his pre-police station design in paradox for... reasons

the reason is that the beard is sexy and they wanted it

[bright parrot]

First and foremost important

Beards look cool

[azure bay]

I think it was rather about David Bowles

[tiny kelp]

i just like the beard… it looks cool

[floral mauve]

without beard Dale will just be Kyle MacLachlan

so I got a topic that might have been discussed many times, but I dont think we discussed it in recent months. What is Owl/Dale plan, we got new bkm info to add as extra evidence for more theories.

Many ppl have claimed that Owl ultimate goal was to have infinite life or deva for like years, but I personally see it as superficial since he accepted his fish future

[bright parrot]

I think he is trying to change his body or transplanting his brain or smth in dale

Coz how he wore dale mask in Theatre

It may imply one of these two things

1.) Owl wants look like dale
2.) Dale is like owl from insides like thinking etc.

[floral mauve]

We got twd and bkm, those institutions are about memory extraction and study them. Especially, I had the idea yesterday that vhs replaced the lake purpose of preserving memories. Therefore, could Owl's plan be terminating the lake so his action could be justified?

[vivid bridge]

wait real quick whats bkm

[floral mauve]

the tpw secret website best kept memory

[vivid bridge]

ooh

that thing

yeah yeah yeah

[floral mauve]

its like sister company of twd

[azure bay]

He wears Dale's mask because he simply plays him in that play.

[vivid bridge]

||I fucking hate args tbh||

[bright parrot]

So that means that's what owl wants dale to do

[azure bay]

To become deva

That was a play about deva

[bright parrot]

Why does he wants him to be deva

[vivid bridge]

Owl just wants Dale to take over the lake

[bright parrot]

Doesn't he wants dale to be like him

And owl is asura

[azure bay]

"My time is limited, I need a successor, the ruler of the lake"

[bright parrot]

Lake is narka

[azure bay]

Deva is better and more efficient

[bright parrot]

Maybe

Deva is the good guy

Deva and asura are same they are seperated by intention

Like villian and hero

[carmine field]

Deva seems to have the power to deal with the corrupted souls

[floral mauve]

we have to feed the lake fresh memory and balance water level to keep the lake calm otherwise we will have some consequences I believe, maybe plagues? but we dont have evidence, we could say Owl decided to seal the lake by developing a successful replacement to feed the lake without harming more ppl.
Sustainable firm is the future trend

[azure bay]

We see nothing like that in RL. You are overprojecting the mythology

[bright parrot]

Deva means god
Asura means devil

[azure bay]

Demon*

Or a demigod

A lesser god

[bright parrot]

Well owl's intentions don't seem to be good till now

[azure bay]

What are Owl's intentions?

[bright parrot]

We don't know till now

[vivid bridge]

Mr Owl seems like a good guy

[bright parrot]

But he's projected as a bad guy

[vivid bridge]

he really isn't

he's like a morally gray character since he gets people killed but his intentions are good

[azure bay]

Then you can't tell they are ill

[floral mauve]

haha steal corpse and torture unemployed middle age man

[bright parrot]

Nope asura means devil/demon

Or god of chaos etc.

[bright parrot]

He's projected as a bad guy

[vivid bridge]

better than having the lake destroy the world or whatever if you don't feed it

he probably sees himself as a necessary evil

[floral mauve]

I would say Mr Owl could justify his actions, so there is no good or bad, more like a grey area

[azure bay]

What is your evidence?

[floral mauve]

that was what I try to prove but we still need evidence suggesting lake itself would goes booom the world, maybe 20000BC would show that

[bright parrot]

He has sad backstory.
Revenge full of murders.
Does evil business.
Messes with people's minds.

He has dale and laura in basement.

[azure bay]

What is your definition of evil?

[vivid bridge]

i'm all for a big reveal that Mr. Owl or Crow or whoever is actually super evil but lets be totally honest here, these games don't really have big plot twists or follow... general narrative tropes. Its all just gonna end with Dale drinking the juice, turning into a deer and Mr. Owl is like "nice" and turns into a fish. Credits roll

[bright parrot]

Good and evil differs on perspective.
Owl maybe good in his perspective.

But if we take dale as the main protagonist

Anything that goes against dale is bad

[azure bay]

Owl does nothing at all against Dale

[floral mauve]

oh btw, golden cube itself is like elixir, and green elixir isnt really the full elixir, so its not like he will drink it

[vivid bridge]

yeah but you know what I mean

[bright parrot]

Till now buddy till now

[azure bay]

Drop it. Dale is his successor. Owl does everything so he overcomes even himself

If you expect Dale being betrayed, it's based on nothing

[floral mauve]

I personally see Crow is not that bad, though he was kinda dick since William kinda died twice

[grizzled bluff]

Please remember you're all working with the same info and to keep it civil 😄

[bright parrot]

Dale's destiny is to be deva the good guy the chosen one.
Owl is the asura he wants dale to join the dark side

[vivid bridge]

One of my biggest critiques with the whole franchise is that no character really acts like a real person (with Bob being like the only exception). Every character basically knows whats happening and nobody is ever shocked or surprised by anything. Its like they read the script. So characters will just kinda do things because thats what the scripts wants them to do

[floral mauve]

we are!

[grizzled bluff]

Mostly, which is why no one specific's being warned. Just making sure it stays that way

[floral mauve]

yey

[grizzled bluff]

(You can continue!)

[floral mauve]

[azure bay]

Owl wants Dale to become Deva and take his place. That's it, there are no sides. No good, no evil, only the lake and its ruler

[vivid bridge]

Yeah sadly

I wish the story had more of a character focus

what do these people want

not what does the lake need and the script want

[bright parrot]

That's his destiny he can't change it even if he tries his best.

Owl never said to dale

I'll help you become deva

It's Dale's destiny

[vivid bridge]

destiny is such a lame story device

[grizzled bluff]

I honestly love looking at characters like Rose because of that. Her strict motivation so far seems to be to raise (and raise XD) William. Any of that helping the lake seems to be more of a side effect lmao

[azure bay]

Dale won't become anything if Owl just drops it all

[bright parrot]

How can you say that

How can you say owl is good

How can you say he's helping him in a good way

[vivid bridge]

Rose's entire existence revolves around resurrecting shitty old men. She definitely does not pass the bechdel test lol. Hope the train game does more with her

[floral mauve]

thats why I brought up this topic

[grizzled bluff]

Second to last time we saw her she was with Laura, so maybe?
But yeah, no one said character focused motivation had to mean she was being smart about itXD

[floral mauve]

I think the reason why we get more of Bob character development is like twd is kinda an extra game

I love twd

sweet depressed love

[grizzled bluff]

TWD was amazingly story focused
I like the puzzle focused games too, but it was nice to get a more conventional tale in there (relatively speaking XD)

[azure bay]

I don't say Owl is good. I say, he isn't bad, asuras aren't bad, devas aren't good.

Owl is the only one who knows how to recreate the elixir and without elixir Dale can't become anything. Also elixir creates asuras by default, creating deva requires extra effort and Owl deliberately puts it into Dale

[grizzled bluff]

It's why I like Roots so much, for me it has the best balance

[floral mauve]

whereas for other characters, main plot based I guess, especially CE series, so there isnt much individual character built except Dale, kinda like twin peaks, we dont know about Laura in both twin peaks and in RL

[vivid bridge]

Roots is usually regarded as the best game in the series

[bright parrot]

Elixir gives temporary effect we saw that in cave, it has something to do with golden cube

Maybe golden cube in real elixir

Which dale has now

[vivid bridge]

The golden cube is the key to make the "full" elixir and it required the connection between Laura and Dale

[azure bay]

And still, it was created by Owl and his team

[grizzled bluff]

Laura is such a vivid character (her mental health, her relationships, etc are all known to us) and yet we know very little about her as a person
We are getting more details over time though, which is exciting!

[floral mauve]

as a dead person mostly xd

[vivid bridge]

TWD was a good game for Laura, actually showing her as a person

and giving her an actual voice actress

[floral mauve]

Bob Rafferty all the wayyyyyyy

in twd she did get her own though, not sure if they will continue hire her

[vivid bridge]

I hope so

Would be cool if Bob Rafferty keeps voicing her in the context of the lake but she had her normal voice during non-lake related scenes

[bright parrot]

But is it for dale?
Only time will tell

[floral mauve]

but I think in traditional RL games, there arent much dialogues (probably due to limited budget), so I am not sure whether in metro Laura will talk much, plus she was infant

[vivid bridge]

Maybe they'll give Rose a voice actress

[floral mauve]

plus, in tpw, Rose didnt say anything bruh I just realised that

only old man Albert

[azure bay]

Owl already told everything we need to know. Dale is the one. Either he or Laura and Laura was left behind

[vivid bridge]

I don't think he's said that specifically. I think there is a possibility that Laura could be the one

Since there's always two people drinking the elixir

[floral mauve]

the one

[floral mauve]

well in paradox and after paradox, we kinda know who is still dead

[vivid bridge]

Paradox doesn't mean anything, its all just metaphorical stuff. It doesn't actually mean anything

[floral mauve]

Golden cube ending is quite clear on the fact that Dale is still alive and well ascending

and twd we got him in deer form so I guess he is the one afterall

[vivid bridge]

paradox is just a simulation. Dale gets out alive since he's alive in the real world

[azure bay]

"I used to be a human like you. Now my time is limited, I need a successor. Continue your journey"

"Deal with your past. Only then you'll become who you are meant to be"

"You mind reaches a higher state of consciousness. You learn about your past and the future. What you may become."

[floral mauve]

well, it was technically elixir experiment, kinda lethal and risky

[vivid bridge]

yeah but its all just about teaching Dale about his future. That future hasn't happened yet

It will happen once he reaches the hotel

[azure bay]

The discussion is about Owl's choice of successor. He chose Dale. To become Deva. Otherwise there wouldn't be Dale during the deva play

[vivid bridge]

Owl can't make the elixirs decision

[floral mauve]

we got lake power involved

Owl is just a guide

lake does the job

[vivid bridge]

The whole thing with the elixir is that one person has to die so the other one can ascend. Paradox is all about the two of them not being able to coexist. And after Paradox, both Dale and Laura are in a semi-alive, semi-corrupted state based on the ending of The Cave. And we only ever see Dale's perspective on things so Mr. Owl could very well have talked to Laura in a similar way. At the hotel, they both will drink the elixir and whoever survives will become the next ruler. He never says "you will become the one, dale"

[azure bay]

I think Dale already made one in Paradox. The 2 secret endings are true endings, they don't start a new iteration. Either Dale sacrifices himself to save Laura or he acceptd the consequences and takes the elevator to the hotel.

We know who's in the elevator

[vivid bridge]

You say that but we both know that Laura is gonna be in the hotel, too. Just because from our perspective only dale goes up doesn't prove anything

[floral mauve]

wha

[azure bay]

He dies in Paradox otherwise

[floral mauve]

where did u see Laura in hotel

[vivid bridge]

i'm saying she will be there when he reaches it

Paradox is not Dale's story finale

[floral mauve]

it is CE finale

[azure bay]

But it's the starting point, the choice who dies and who takes a journey for enlightenment

A journey of balancing the substance of the past life

A journey of reaching the higher state of consciousness

[vivid bridge]

those are just buzzwords literally who cares

[azure bay]

let me explain

[azure bay]

Nobody before Dale had such an elevator ride

most people just drink elixir and they're good

(or they die)

[vivid bridge]

you're saying both secret endings are the real endings but one literally ends with him dying to save Laura. So clearly we don't know whats gonna happen

it's left intentionally vague

[floral mauve]

its two different story lines or time line

the one RL currently chose seems to be golden cube line

[azure bay]

it doesn't matter what happens next. We see Dale die, we see Laura live, we see the Paradox cube turn white. That's enough to be satisfied with this version of the story

[floral mauve]

they might go back to Laura either next game but that would be a bit too much for everything or another game connecting seasons

[vivid bridge]

I always saw Seasons as being Laura's equivalent to Dale's Birthday. Both are dealing with their past and using a blue cube to turn a black cube into a white cube (now where does that 1981 memory come from? Idk, I guess the answer is don't think about it). I think Laura is going through a similar journey as Dale, we just don't really see it

[azure bay]

the memories after her death clearly belong to her corrupted soul

[vivid bridge]

nowhere i've argued with you about this before i'm not gonna do it again

I don't think a corrupted soul is able to make memories like that

[azure bay]

"but my dark soul will live on into the future awaiting for resurrection"

they have memories

[errant trellis]

I think the whole point is that they're theories.. everyone haa different theories!! there's nothing to argue about yk

[vivid bridge]

yeah but nowhere is like my archenemy

[floral mauve]

[azure bay]

I'm everyone's archenemy

theories need to be discussed to know them better

[floral mauve]

I do think evidence is the key or clear reasoning

I had the idea before that ehm, CS arent able to produce memories since themselves are black cubes

but

they arent black cubes, the black cubes are just like some sort of core for them

[vivid bridge]

yeah memories extraction causes corruption in the first place. Sure, they never outright state that they can't but I think its implied

[azure bay]

what's the problem with them making memories? They have cubes, sometimes they are cubes. They have minds. What else do you need?

[floral mauve]

I think u meant making memories

but sure

[azure bay]

pretas are just souls that can't be reborn for some reason

[vivid bridge]

I just think Seasons wasn't made with corrupted souls and memory extraction machines in mind. It was just a story with a funny black shadow creature used as a metaphor for depression. That's why its so hard to place into a definitive place in the timeline

sometimes you gotta accept that early installment weirdness is a real thing

[floral mauve]

its also a matter to discuss how can memories form, like it requires a body with a brain and Laura got her weird tree baby body so her death might be special

but meh

forget about it

[vivid bridge]

Even if they milk the corrupted soul again and get the winter memory, why would they do that? That's so weirdly specific. Does Dale do that when he's the ruler of the lake? Like whats up with that

[azure bay]

Samsara was in their mind since the very beginning. The original Samsara Room was released in 2013. Then 6 early CE games were all released in 2015. Monthly

[floral mauve]

I got another evidence, I believe William CS still form memory since he knows the family members and able to do plans, if he has dementia, he cant do shit

therefore, Laura CS could form memories as well

[azure bay]

also that

[floral mauve]

which could be extracted

[vivid bridge]

I mean, yeah sure

but its still weird that it happens in 1981

so long after the main story is presumably over

[azure bay]

also

the devs confirmed in 2022 that there was a form of the elixir of life and death in Seasons

the ending of Seasons looks a lot like the ending of The Past Within

The red forest depicting naraka in Theatre first appeared in Seasons too

[vivid bridge]

oh

game annoucnement

neat neat

[azure bay]

FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!

[vivid bridge]

haha

[azure bay]

"Tickets please"

that's Mr. Crow

Of to my nest!!!!!!

[vivid bridge]

have fun at your nest

HELL YEA

||VOICE ACTRESS FOR ROSE||

I LITERALLY PREDICTED IT LIKE 30 MINUTES AGO

LETS GOOOO

[grizzled bluff]

XD Well done!

[floral mauve]

@covert wyvern sorry for the ping, where shall we theorize, in spoiler mark as usual?

[covert wyvern]

I think using this channel with spoiler markers for now is best:)

I dont really want to make a thread that'll dissapear into the void atm there's some potential solutions we're talking about but that's future stuff.

[floral mauve]

no problem

||so we are playing as the mysterious parent figure taking care of Laura that visits once a year||

||The metro itself is either metaphorical or literal, since R-line is in construction for months and Crow is working in it so kinda fishy||

[visual coral]

Just finished the demo and || could it be that we are playing as Harvey?!?!?!||

[floral mauve]

||funny gloves though, plus the person we play knows Rose but doesnt seem to know Laura until first time got introduced to||

[ivory girder]

||the suitcase thingy seems to prove to us that we're playing as harvey human form||

||which will be very interesting to pinpoint this on the timeline||

[vivid bridge]

||yeah that's strange||

||If Harvey raised Laura, why is he her pet later||

[visual coral]

||TPW kinda teased us with the possibility of Harvey's human form to return so...||

[ivory girder]

||but that was wayyyy into the future this is like wayyyy before everything in the cube escape world||

[floral mauve]

I need to think a bit

[grizzled bluff]

||Guarding her from an unsuspected position?||
||I mean, it failed...||

[vivid bridge]

||I mean, she did stab him||

||he got better, though||

[grizzled bluff]

||What's a lil stabbing between friends||

[ivory girder]

||so in roots harvey was birb then in this harvey is human then in cube escape harvey is birb then in tpw harvey is human||

||what is going on 💀||

[ebon aspen]

Id say there isnt much evidence to hit the hammer on who we play with

But welp, i never assumed it was impossible for ||harvey to shapeshift||

[ivory girder]

||those photos are really good evidence i think||

[floral mauve]

we all assumed that

so now just need to think

how to make sense

my favorite part

how to make RL make sense

[ivory girder]

😭

[nocturne siren]

(impossible challange)

[ebon aspen]

Welp, theres a ||photo of rose too, harv could just be lurking around||
But yeah, it wouldnt be farfetched to assume that

[ivory girder]

||that's a very harvey thing yeah hmm||

||mf just be lurking everywhere in every game||

[grizzled bluff]

||It'd make sense for Laura to take pictures of the people surrounding her, so I'd say it's strong evidence. Not foolproof, but strong||

[floral mauve]

super strong evidence, cant deny it thats why I need some time to rethink

||also, we dont have years sadly, just some info of events name||

we could deduct years though

||though we are never sure whether this is the main universe of the golden cube or tpw universe timeline||

||since we did see Albert||

or is that him

YEP I wanted to mention that when I started but I forgot later due to too much info

[visual coral]

Can I just say|| that little Laura is adorable and I LOVE that Rose finally got a new outfit(homegirl been wearing the same dress since she was 15)||

[grizzled bluff]

(Secret spoilers) ||Considering the code from the Cave achievement is relevant here, maybe the Golden Cube business card next to the code is the big timeline clue}||

[floral mauve]

emmmmm good point

[floral mauve]

||wait wait wait, I am replaying 2nd chapter, we will meet again in the new future sounds super tpw style||

[weary oxide]

anyone knows chapter one's Easter egg?

[azure bay]

There are some breadcrumbs, I found 3 but I can't use any of them

literally no item available does anything on them

also there's at least 1 secret about ||the statue||

there's a close-up on it we never use

[floral mauve]

Whaaa

[floral mauve]

We do

||For clicking child Laura||

[floral mauve]

What’s this though

[azure bay]

there are 2 of them

[floral mauve]

||Where is the map||

[covert wyvern]

seems like I made a mistake, pretend that that never happened

[floral mauve]

Sus mod

[azure bay]

ok

[covert wyvern]

Im allowed !

Okay so I really want to cover this up, let's talk about why Rusty Lake went with the train theme!

Could it be related to the "stations of life", could it be some sort of weird collective unconscious thing (heavily borrowing from Persona 5 for that one)

[grizzled bluff]

As in, everyone goes on this metaphysical journey?

[covert wyvern]

yeah or like this is a location everyone visits.

becuase we don't just see || laura and rose and the regular gang || we see new people too

[azure bay]

this is less clear than the last one

[azure bay]

they mostly seem random bystanders for the most part

[grizzled bluff]

They still seem to exist though

[floral mauve]

It’s half real I would say, intermediate stops of time I guess

[covert wyvern]

I am inclined to agree with that assessment, just wonder what it means. i think the last game we got to interact with this many "people" was TWD? and that was certainly not a memory (sarahs escape I mean, probably?)

[floral mauve]

||The train itself is not real in game, the real train is under construction ||

[covert wyvern]

I suppose || that could explain why a potential career switched aldous is riding it ||

[azure bay]

||Also I don't expect Harvey having anthropomorphic form by that time for real||

[grizzled bluff]

||Isn't he still basically charon, ferryign us around for payment?||

[covert wyvern]

|| RL opening a new pool of myths to tap from? im here for it ||

[floral mauve]

||Emmmm you mean Harvey????||

[azure bay]

symbolically at most. Aldous wasn't here for eternity and he isn't expected to in the future

[floral mauve]

||Imo, Crow is more suitable to be Charon||

Btw

[azure bay]

we're speaking of him

[floral mauve]

An important detail

||Ticket colour changed in trailer and demo||

[covert wyvern]

O frick it does?

that's a very good catch

[floral mauve]

||Does that mean there are two types of tickets in chapter 1?||

||Which confirms an alternative ticket booth I guess||

[azure bay]

||No matter what it will offer it's there. Normally RL don't leave useless things on the level||

[covert wyvern]

I wonder if || it could be related to how in TPW there's some tiny miniscule changed details depending on the insect mode ||

could the demo and the full game but set in parallel but different timelines?

[floral mauve]

That would be nice I guess

[floral mauve]

Dunno, give us some insights as mod

[covert wyvern]

that is my insight! haha

but i am very biased towards a multiple timeline theory

[floral mauve]

In what way

[azure bay]

I see no reason to, honestly. These 2 levels are mostly exposition and I don't expect them being much different on release. Maybe containing more secrets and puzzles but nothing story changing

[floral mauve]

Ngl they did tell a lot of story a a demo

[azure bay]

me too but not in this case specifically

[floral mauve]

More than tpw cuz we already know it was about reviving dead father

[covert wyvern]

that in my personal world theyre the key to like figuring out the different endings and stuff.

I think TPW did tell a lot specifically to people very in touch with the RL world

[floral mauve]

I mean demowise

[covert wyvern]

but people "outside" of that will probably find "more" in this demo.

[azure bay]

I don't get what you mean

[floral mauve]

Those Who played RL the first time I believe

[covert wyvern]

Yeah sorry I get how that's a bit vague

this falls a bit outside of the realm of theories I guess, but a common "complaint" ive seen for TPW is that it was very light on lore (not something I agree with)

I dont think people will feel the same with about this, I guess.

[azure bay]

ok, I see

[floral mauve]

Yea

I do put a higher expectation on metro than tpw personally

Not really an Albert fan since the beginning soz

[azure bay]

yep, its lore is a bit deeper than many are willing to dig in. For me it put an end to the discussion whether the cubes are real or not

and that's very important for understanding the series

[covert wyvern]

Id definitely agree yeah

[floral mauve]

Ngl, now it’s quite hard to make everything fully connected

[azure bay]

wdym?

[floral mauve]

You got tpw influence on metro as well

And you have to include it in a timeline

[azure bay]

include metro?

[floral mauve]

It splits timelines

Seemingly

So that’s what I meant by hard

[azure bay]

what does?

TPW?

[floral mauve]

Yea

[azure bay]

or Metro?

[floral mauve]

Tpw split leads to possible metro split

And according to your previous theory of tpw, each cube is a smaller multiverse which means that there will be more splits

[azure bay]

TPW can only follow metro but not lead to it. The Past contradicts a lot of things, considering Rose just disappearing

there wouldn't be Laura

[floral mauve]

That’s a fair point

Haha tree

[covert wyvern]

Spoilers, please:)

or is this a general question

in which case fair

I guess deer imaginary does pop up a lot, my bad lol

[meager sky]

its ok

i thought everyone in here would be up to date

[covert wyvern]

While that's probably correct, it would be unfortunate if someone accidentally ends up here and gets spoiled:)

just playing it safe especially so close after release.

[meager sky]

true

when can we talk about it freely?

[covert wyvern]

we're still working out the details of our spoiler policy, sorry about that 😅

[meager sky]

its ok

||is mr dear albert or mr owls dad?||

[covert wyvern]

I think that's a hard question to answer.

|| the deer has been used for a lot of people (including Dale!) ||

[carmine field]

I can't find it

||when does it appear in the trailer?||

[turbid cove]

True

[vague imp]

Hi can someone dm me the whole rusty Lake timeline, characters, story etc. I'm trying to write an essay on it, thanks<3

[floral mauve]

Not really trailer but the announcement they made 1 day before

[azure bay]

In Albert's case it's just a mask giving him powers that symbolises completely different things

[floral mauve]

also I forgot to mention, another spilt is the bee and butterfly route in tpw despite claiming they are the same

they arent

||and seemingly, the demo chose bee ending||

[floral mauve]

||some ppl say ticket lady looks like Aldous's wife||

[carmine zealot]

||she does imo||

[ivory girder]

||a thing i think is worth talking about is how we are able to manipulate time when we put that roll of film to the booth and they told us to wait 20 mins and we just needed to change the time of the clock||

||maybe it's just a gameplay thing but i think this is worth a notice||

[eternal swan]

Bro anyone there to play

I really want to play

[floral mauve]

||time travel Harvey could be something||

[eternal swan]

Brooooo

Anyone to play

Pls

Pls

Ls

[floral mauve]

tpw https://discord.com/channels/319613669438914560/1036597429979598918

[azure bay]

And what about them is so similar iyo?

[ivory girder]

||grey hair ig||

[carmine zealot]

||well i don't think we have seen that many old women in rusty lake but idk they just both have grey hair||

[azure bay]

aren't old age and grey hair too insignificant to make a reliable pattern?

||I'd agree if there were more facial similarities or some similar unique behavior||

but Crow's wife and ||the ticket lady are both too insignificant for the latter. And imo, too insignificant for cameos||

[delicate atlas]

Plus Mrs. Aldous died anyway

No wait she died AFTER the fact

Nvm

[floral mauve]

||So another fun fact, the phone number dialled in chapter 2 about meet again in the future, is the same phone number as the one Dale called to Mill, so I guess it was indeed Aldous not Albert CS||

[delicate atlas]

||Aldous in the station?||

||Or on the phone?||

[azure bay]

that sounded like breaking the 4th wall

[floral mauve]

I thought it was Albert cuz CS talk the same format technically

[floral mauve]

||Aldous didnt show up in chapter 2 technically, so it would work I guess||

[azure bay]

I'm really confused ||what the hell did Albert do there?||

[delicate atlas]

||this is gonna sound crazy but I'm starting to think his cs killed Laura||

||trying to take her knowledge of reincarnation form her or something||

[floral mauve]

that possibility was the first one got rejected years ago

but now we cant 100% deny it

still arguable

but possibility exists

[azure bay]

||I hope no. We have already 2 to 3 suspects. Besides, Albert has his own knowledge. In TPW he's cooler than William||

[delicate atlas]

Kinda sad though that ||he'd kill his granddaughter||

[floral mauve]

||still, I see no reason Albert would hurt Laura||

[delicate atlas]

Fair

Who are the 2-3 suspects?

[azure bay]

Laura, Dale, Bob. Bob is the most unlikely here

also we could argue about Owl

[floral mauve]

||and Albert wont traumatize Laura neither cuz those vanderbooms are resistable to traumas I guess, Rose is able to communicate with William CS so I guess Laura wont be trauamtized by that neither||

[azure bay]

would be funny if Owl made Dale's CS harass Laura into commiting suicide. Triple kill!

[azure bay]

many theorize that The Lake CS did traumatize Laura

I think Dale's CS could also do

if Paradox is a bit more literal than people like to think

[floral mauve]

||idk, now it seems unlikely unless some event occurred such as Rose left makes Laura fragile||

[azure bay]

I really see no particular reason for Laura to be CS resistant

Rose was never hurt by a particularly aggressive CS

[floral mauve]

curiosity

[azure bay]

curiosity hurts the most when backfires

[floral mauve]

probably

[delicate atlas]

I see

[ivory girder]

||also how the hell did rose know about harvey now that i think about that especially his human form||

||and she trusted him enough to let him bring up laura||

[floral mauve]

Harvey has been in the mansion for a while though I dont know ||how Harvey turn into Asura in front of Rose and stay in it||

[azure bay]

||I don't think Harvey is in human from for real. The game seems symbolic for the most part. And playing as a bird again would be problematic||

[floral mauve]

first stage: deny

[ivory girder]

||but then someone has to bring up laura and it's not rose||

[ivory girder]

😭

[azure bay]

Orphanage, for example. Or a boarding school

[floral mauve]

||since Rose did say Harvey visited her again this year and willing to let Harvey protect Laura in the future, if Rose thinks that Harvey is a full time bird, she wont do that||

[azure bay]

Uncle Frank and uncle Leo, if they're alive?

[ivory girder]

hmm

[azure bay]

||depends on what protection she means. Harvey is able to stand for himself against a CS||

[floral mauve]

maybe

[ivory girder]

||something is probs up with the way owl resurrected him that's my best guess for now||

[azure bay]

we have previously established evidence of Harvey being an animal. Both in Theatre and The Cave, not Asura pretending to be one

[floral mauve]

true, true

again, we have to distinguish which part of metro is the real event

right now its 50 or 70% symbolism

[azure bay]

we can start with the most reliable evidence

dialogues

at least we know ||that Harvey visits Rose and Laura and Rose asked him to take care and protect the young one||

I think I can predict 7 stations based on what we saw so far

||3 will be about school, 4 probably about Bob, 5 about the trip to the lake, 6 about her death and maybe Dale(?) and the final one will retell The Winter from Harvey's pov||

[floral mauve]

[ivory girder]

that's a really good prediction and i would love it to be that way

[floral mauve]

boarding school hum

and got bullied I believe cuz its always like that

[ivory girder]

and then bob came into her life

perfect

[floral mauve]

no, that later

they met when Laura is 30ish

I dont remember

but they are quite old enough

[azure bay]

I really hope to see Laura dabbling with memories like she did in TWD

that could be a key to the secret of lady of the lake

[floral mauve]

maybe

[ivory girder]

wait i think i mixed up cuz in the trailer the students are all in green and bob is in green too so i thought they are in the same school 😭

[ivory girder]

ooh

[azure bay]

the TWD ending presents their 1st encounter

[ivory girder]

oh yeah lol i forgor

||also what do u guys think this guy's role would be he's in the trailer||

[azure bay]

a random bystander like the ones we've already got?

[ivory girder]

||i mean everyone in the trailer seems to already have a role||

[azure bay]

most of these roles come down to puzzles

[ivory girder]

yeah but still

[bright parrot]

||Rose and laura never visited hotel, it was Harvey's suitcase||

[vivid bridge]

I still don't understand why people keep trying to find out who murdered laura ||it was clearly suicide you guys||

the corrupted soul is her. It's a metaphor

[floral mauve]

how would you define suicide though

if she killed herself under influence of other

is it still suicide

[vivid bridge]

the story of seasons is clearly about depression

[floral mauve]

back in 2015 yea

[vivid bridge]

I don't think they retconned it

[floral mauve]

after William got involved probably not that simple

and Dale

and some childhood events

possibly

[vivid bridge]

I really hope we don't get a "oh actually ||Albert|| was behind everything all along" that'd suck

[turbid cove]

True

[azure bay]

What are you talking about?

[turbid cove]

What game is the most in the future

[bright parrot]

||In the demo of new game we see the exact moment of which we saw the picture in cave ending||

[azure bay]

it was finally clear in The Cave but Paradox ruined that clarity. There is evidence of Dale's CS possibly "killing" Laura beyond Paradox. Owl's letter implies that even Dale's CS has its important role in the game of chess of Rusty Lake.

Now we have Albert seemingly menacing her. I don't expect him to be the reason she died for but it becomes possible.

[azure bay]

what picture?

[bright parrot]

The picture that was in the brief case in cave ending with broken timepeice and room key

[azure bay]

But Laura was to the hotel in 1969

[bright parrot]

No

She wasn't

(Atleast that's what we are told here)

Coz it was ||Harvey||

[azure bay]

where?

[bright parrot]

In demo

Have you played the new game demo

[vivid bridge]

In retrospect, its funny that Dale marked places like the bridge and the cabin as "important to the murder case" but not the giant ominous hotel on an island in the middle of the lake

[azure bay]

It was. But still he's just a new possibility. That doesn't replace the one we had all this time

[azure bay]

The holel wasn't just a thing at the time

[vivid bridge]

I know I know

thats why i'm saying its funny

[bright parrot]

What I'm saying makes more sense coz

Harvey was in the hotel

So he may have the key

[vivid bridge]

the bridge is the only place on that board in dale's office that has never been referenced. James walks over it at the beginning of Roots and you have to look at a tree above the bridge in The Search but thats it

[bright parrot]

||Rose will give him timepeice||

Also what was the room key no.

Maybe that was Owl's room

[azure bay]

||Harvey being a human is the thing that doesn't make sense for now. The established evidence insists he's an animal since 1894. And I don't expect a parrot disposing of a heavy crate||

[azure bay]

giving a number to the owner's private room is another thing making no sense

[bright parrot]

What are we arguing here on?

[azure bay]

whatever we see suitable

[bright parrot]

Laura and rose were never in hotel

The suitcase belongs to Harvey or Owl

[azure bay]

Laura was. Rusty Lake mental health and fishing is the hotel

[bright parrot]

Coz the codes are connected

[vivid bridge]

She went to the cabin, not the hotel

[bright parrot]

She was in cabin

[azure bay]

she needed to live somewhere

[vivid bridge]

Presumably she left pretty quickly after being attacked by the CS

[bright parrot]

Maybe new game won't tell us where she lived

[azure bay]

doesn't look like that in her memory revealed in The Cave

[vivid bridge]

also the cabin might have more rooms, we're just not shown

[bright parrot]

There might be more cabins

[azure bay]

she found it by chance. She wasn't meant to be there

[bright parrot]

But not more rooms in a cabin

[vivid bridge]

huh yeah I guess

[bright parrot]

She had bad mental health and owl came forward to help her

He gave her prozac

[vivid bridge]

She won the contest, Owl didn't approach her directly

Unless its a faaaaaaate thing

[bright parrot]

Here's her timeline according to me

[vivid bridge]

fucking hate fate

[bright parrot]

She died

[azure bay]

I'm speaking exclusively about the cabin. "I found an abandoned cabin at Rusty Lake"

[vivid bridge]

yeah presumably she had to go to the hotel

[bright parrot]

She found it when she won the contest of Lake

As @vivid bridge said

[azure bay]

how does it contradict her being to the hotel?

[vivid bridge]

That's interesting to think about, though. What did the devs envision Rusty Lake Mental Health and Fishing to even be before coming up with the Hotel

[bright parrot]

Also is cabin before or after her death

[azure bay]

learn dates, my dear, learn dates

[vivid bridge]

The Lake (and Harvey's Box) takes place between Spring and Summer

[bright parrot]

That's where I failed history classes

[bright parrot]

So....

No

[azure bay]

1969 - the trip, 1971 - her death, 1972 - Dale's ascension

[visual coral]

In TWD Laura said that hotel is "the place she knows" One would assume that she's been there

[vivid bridge]

ah the 70s

[azure bay]

As a child or as William

[bright parrot]

Coz she was born there

Or maybe even lived her childhood there, we don't know

[azure bay]

initially the metro made me think Rose took her away pretty early

[vivid bridge]

UB seems to imply that they moved to the city pretty quickly after Laura was born

I want a name for the city. Give me that juicy worldbuilding

[bright parrot]

I too thought that train was about Rose's journey from the lake.

But it's more of life progresses etc.

[azure bay]

unless the metro is a big metaphor of life

[azure bay]

we still need to consider both possibilities

[vivid bridge]

true true

[bright parrot]

Also a fact
||The no. For help in demo is same as no. Of mr. Crow in Case23||

[vivid bridge]

nice continuity

[bright parrot]

Maybe in full game

[vivid bridge]

the question is, will the future levels in UB be set in the metro in-universe or will the metro be more of a stage for her life events. Like the school level, is that them on a field trip in the metro or is the game just presenting the class in the metro for thematic reasons

[azure bay]

yeah, that could help

[vivid bridge]

I'm guessing it will all take place there in-universe

[azure bay]

but at the same time I expect ||Seasons retold|| which is unlikely to be in a real subway

[vivid bridge]

that'd be fun

Would really clear stuff up maybe

okay you know what I definitely DON'T want? Laura to acknowledge the weird stuff. I really disliked how in TWD, Dale was seemingly aware of Corrupted Souls and memories and all that stuff. I hope Laura doesn't know about these things

[azure bay]

I explained it away by Dale actually learning something about the lake. He clearly was busy gathering some info

also, considering TWD ending, Laura has a deeper understanding of memories

[vivid bridge]

yeah but I still don't like it

I like to imagine Dale going "what the fuck what the fuck" when seeing Bob turn into a CS because thats what the player thinks. I don't want Dale to have read the script

[azure bay]

I wouldn't like it if it was Bob or any other outsider. For Laura it seems more or less natural.

[ivory girder]

yeah laura i think definitely knows stuff considering she is william's resurrection

[vivid bridge]

Yeah but I like the idea that Laura is kind of an outsider to the whole lake plot until she is basically forced to be part of it

I don't want her to know about this stuff beforehand

I want Laura to have lived a normal life

[azure bay]

she doesn't have to remember stuff, but at least she could inherit some of Rose's knowledge

[ivory girder]

yeah

[azure bay]

I hope, you won't be biased about that during theorizing

[bright parrot]

The demo teased 6 event as far as I remember so they may be

Birth

Childhood

[ivory girder]

what do we think are the reasons ||rose had to let laura go||

[azure bay]

the steam page promises 7

[bright parrot]

Ohk

So we must figure out rest 5

[azure bay]

here are my predictions

[vivid bridge]

no i'm just saying what I don't want. If the game ends up going the other way, i'll have to accept that

I won't like it and I will shit on that writing decision but hey, what can I do about it

[azure bay]

sometimes it's unclear where it goes. In these cases I prefer not to choose without an objective reason

[vivid bridge]

you don't need an objective reason to dislike something

sometimes you just dislike certain writing choices

[azure bay]

I'm not speaking of disliking

I'm speaking of theorizing on vague topics

[bright parrot]

I was thinking same more or less

Though

I doubt about laura going school

[azure bay]

"School holidays are ending soon"

[vivid bridge]

I wasn't even speculating, I was just saying my hopes for the full game

[azure bay]

I know, I just warn you because many people aren't as wise as you are

[bright parrot]

||3.)About bob
4.) Earlier life with bob
5.)Cabin
6.)Life till death
7.)Life after death||

[vivid bridge]

there's a school class in the trailer

[bright parrot]

That means Rose is out of Lake

[azure bay]

how's that?

[bright parrot]

There are no schools in lake

[azure bay]

Technically, could be bystanders too. But I'm inclided to believe they're Laura's classmates

[vivid bridge]

I want to see Laura in that uniform

give me teenager laura

[azure bay]

maybe there are. There has to be some kind of settlement

[bright parrot]

No

[azure bay]

edgy goth like her mother

[bright parrot]

We've seen the map of lake

[vivid bridge]

they'd never make her have a goth phase but I want it

[bright parrot]

They can't pull a school out of hat

[azure bay]

and still, Mary has to come from somewhere

somewhere accessible to James

[bright parrot]

Another mystery

Outsiders are quiet rare in lake.

Mary and ida

No more

[azure bay]

some kind of a commune is a natural answer.

[vivid bridge]

most maps of the lake area don't even feature the vanderboom house, let alone anything south of that

[azure bay]

Ida was clearly a traveler. Mary wasn't

[vivid bridge]

at the beginning of Roots, James goes over the bridge, so that must be the direction where people live

near the mill

[azure bay]

for example

[bright parrot]

Whatever it is it's a proper school

With uniforms

[azure bay]

or, it seems, there could be something down the road leading from the lake to the house

[vivid bridge]

Dale grew up in the same town as where Laura's house is, right? Cause there's the blossom tree

[azure bay]

Since TPW I'm getting more and more convinced that the tree in Bday was another metaphor of a soul in blossom

also, the very same sprite was used for the tree in The Lake

[delicate atlas]

Where is this from?

[covert wyvern]

the trailer / steam page

[delicate atlas]

Oh I see

I don't remember seeing it

[floral mauve]

ayo

||some ppl get pink flowers at the beginning and some ppl get white flowers||

||I thought it was only white flowers||

||I never toggled pink||

[azure bay]

for me ||they are always pink||

[covert wyvern]

LMAO O NO

that's uh something

[azure bay]

Can it depend on the platform?

Damy, what's your OS and what color are your ||flowers?||

[covert wyvern]

Windows, ||white|| last i checked!:)

[azure bay]

then it's not OS based

[azure bay]

were they always white?

[covert wyvern]

For me yeah

considering if we should spoil this 🤔

lets do it to be safe!

[floral mauve]

quite funny that we discovered this almost a day later despite playing with many ppl already💀

[azure bay]

what else could affect it?

[floral mauve]

random distribution

like how they did with scrolls maybe

[azure bay]

it wasn't that random, it seems

[floral mauve]

wdym

[azure bay]

my phone has got same scrolls in 2 different app instances

[floral mauve]

idk

sus

thats not possible

[azure bay]

I heard a theory that the scroll distribution was time-based

[floral mauve]

depends?

on first time opening?

idk

seems quite useless info based on metro and dont see how we can use it, its not a specific info

[bright parrot]

Mine were pink

[azure bay]

any ideas why?

[bright parrot]

Maybe they were meant to be pink

Coz they are cherry blossom

Or maybe coz I clicked the briefcase in the start of game few times

[ivory girder]

eh i did the same but mine is white lol

its probs random

[azure bay]

||the petals drop right away||

[ivory girder]

yeah that too

[azure bay]

it's consistent

I never get white

[ivory girder]

no i mean random to each user

[azure bay]

you didn't play TPW, you don't get it

[azure bay]

but how does it work? how determined, where stored?

[bright parrot]

Wait are we talking about tpw or underground blossom

[azure bay]

UB

[ivory girder]

idk man

||if this is like prequel to tpw and cube escape i dont really understand i thought tpw was in a seperate timeline???||

[azure bay]

The Future could be any timeline

The Past would contradict any timeline we know

[ivory girder]

hmm

[azure bay]

and it will cover CE too to some extent

[ivory girder]

||i mean yeah we used the cave code so it is def related to ce||

||there's one thing left in the cave box that we haven't used which is the hotel key do we think ub would be related to hotel?||

||that would be a whole ass mess if it did||

[azure bay]

Laura's trip to the lake in an integral part of her story that was mostly left out

[azure bay]

Why?

[ivory girder]

OH YEAH i totally forgot that she visited hotel

[ivory girder]

before u mentioned that i thought that ce tpw and hotel were 3 very different things so i thought it would be messy

now there's a connection

[azure bay]

TPW is connected by the forest

I think we're just further exploring it

[vivid bridge]

||I didn't know the blossoms are different colors||

thats cool

I have white

[bright parrot]

Can you plz share a ss @vivid bridge

[covert wyvern]

Spoilers, please.

although I guess the start screen is fine

sorry im a bit conflicted on this lol

[azure bay]

yeah, thought the same

[covert wyvern]

haha sorry bit tired, stayed up too long

thanks though

[azure bay]

wait, did they change for you?

[vivid bridge]

no I just wanted to compare them

I always have white

[covert wyvern]

sort of like the scrolls maybe 🤔

[floral mauve]

though no useful info where to apply except lorewise

[vivid bridge]

strange

[vivid bridge]

okay so I reinstalled the game and now I have ||pink blossoms||

[floral mauve]

wha

interesting

[vivid bridge]

it seems random

if you delete your save file and start the game again, it randomly picks I think

[floral mauve]

I guess

[bright parrot]

What if it's a bug

[ivory girder]

it's not lmao

[vivid bridge]

I mean, its clearly intentional that there's two versions

It gets decided when you generate the save file

[wet bolt]

is there like a master thread of some sorts that I can read about theories for the games??

[azure bay]

nope, there are too many to keep track of and at the same time the administration doesn't want to promote ones over others

[azure bay]

I know a lot of theories and I'm currently making records of them but I'm only in the beginning

[wet bolt]

well please dm me when you get done :D

[azure bay]

I can send you some early works I'm not really proud of. Turned out too complex but in the meantime I can at least answer your questions

[wet bolt]

I always wondered what the crow mans deal was

[azure bay]

what games did you play?

[wet bolt]

I can't remember q-q I should replay the games

thx

[azure bay]

his origin is revealed in the secret level of Rusty Lake Roots

also in The Cave in a more subtle way

but since then his major role is doing special tasks for Mr. Owl

[carmine field]

||About the silhouette that appears at the end of the demo||

||could it be...?||

[covert wyvern]

also sorry to interrupt but did anyone notice this particular line from the game's description? " find the correct metro to board and uncover one of Laura’s timelines,"

sorry if I missed that lol

[carmine field]

ohh, I didn't notice that

[azure bay]

||the sound design from TPW make me think it's somehow Albert||

also otherwise they'd give it a beak which is its main feature

at least I think they would

[carmine field]

||I think the same way, considering it's unlikely to be Dale or Mr. Deer||

[azure bay]

but it's not Albert on the screenshot

[carmine field]

yep

It's that corrupted soul

I am replaying Roots and just saw that soul

||Couldn't not remember the corrupted soul from the end of UB anyway||

||they just look similar||

[carmine field]

but I think you're right with this

[ivory girder]

so they just confirmed the multiverse is true aaaaaaaaaaa

[azure bay]

TPW did for me

[ivory girder]

tpw did but they haven't said it out loud like this i think?

[azure bay]

they did in Paradox then

[azure bay]

where is it exactly btw?

[covert wyvern]

steam page

[ivory girder]

i figured

[azure bay]

found it

the same description confirms the symbolic nature of the came

"Travel from station to station, each metro stop symbolising a piece of Laura's past and future."

the last part is also important for me:
"...one of Laura’s timelines, while simultaneously helping her make sense of her life and escape the corruption of her mind!"

[ivory girder]

every single sentence here is worth thinking about damn

[covert wyvern]

haha true

[ivory girder]

rl team did a really good job teasing this game aaaaaaaaaa can't wait for it fr

[azure bay]

that's the 1st time we hear about the mind corruption

I wonder what it means for Laura to escape it

I know people who'd definitely theorize that corruption of mind is a separate thing

and Laura's body is still corrupted after Seasons

because she's too normal to be physically resurrected in the future without being questioned

and too important for Dale's arc to avoid her death and corruption in the past

effectively undoing a substantial amount of CE games

but thinking timelines and recalling TPW that would decanonize THE WHOLE CE series without them, both mind and soul corruption being interchangeable makes more sense

at least for me

[floral mauve]

so we will see the consequence of tpw in ub right?

or more like

how it got to tpw

[azure bay]

what got?

[floral mauve]

Rose

but wait it would be contradicting again

[azure bay]

would it?

[floral mauve]

yea, u said 1926 Rose will be gone unless its a 1926 of another timeline

[azure bay]

1935*

1926 is Albert's death

[vivid bridge]

oh god I just checked this channel and saw the steam page description

I really hope we don't get into multiverse timeline stuff

[azure bay]

no more Seasons did

[covert wyvern]

.mute @vivid bridge 1h rethink what you just said very carefully

[sweet zephyr]

Ellesian#7180 was muted.

[azure bay]

come on, Seasons and Birthday have much in common

TPW even further recontextualises Seasons

Cubes are real

sometimes even more real than the "reality" itself

Its inhabitants think and therefore exist

have an idea of normalcy

[floral mauve]

so it is true now that seasons winter will not occur in the golden cube dale universe?

[azure bay]

there are 2 different winters in Seasons

1 we can play at and the one in the ending

[floral mauve]

ah yes

the one that allows us to travel back

and the one we simply CS

[azure bay]

not really

the one where Laura finds the blue cube

and the one where she lives after not dying

[azure bay]

so cubes at least emulate the reality