But what about chapter 2?
#🤔｜theories
azure bay
weary oxide
but in the end of chapter 1, the golden cube was created
before that, the real world and the cube world was separated
but now, since the golden cube is created,
the cube world and the real world is mixed
the cube could affect the real world
so there is no branching timeline
just affect one another
this is one theory
azure bay
Does this theory ignore the ending?
weary oxide
let me see...
because this theory is the one I made up seconds ago
I have not thought about it
in the end, the real world affects the cube world while the cube world affect the real world
and the past affects the future while the future affects the past
so there is no difference between the real world and the cube world
and no differences between the past and the future
so the time doesn't exist
maybe this is what you call "timeline blending"
azure bay
What I called timeline bending was making changes in cubes to create the world you like
floral mauve
basically multiple parallel universe
azure bay
Where you are not dead at least
azure bay
and no differences between the past and the future
There is no difference but also no direct cause-effect link. that could qualify as different timelines
Time exists inside the cubes
weary oxide
sure it is
azure bay
It doesn't exist in the lake where they float
weary oxide
it seems consistent to the end of TPW
till now I cannot say what you said is right or wrong
because games now does not show signs whether dale in other timeline loses his parents
azure bay
because games now does not show signs whether dale in other timeline loses his p...
TPW show us that the cubes are the reality and the reality is also a cube. So we can say that the cubes contain something similar to timelines
The other timeline, since initially it's a memory of the original event, doesn't deviate
It's a faithful copy in the beginning
The differences start when someone interacts with them
fossil lily
i believe mr owl is connected to laura's death
but i cant prove it
they created a new family with madness and sacrifices just to revive William and then he dies suddenly. if its a suicide, then thats a big L and if murder then mr owl is definitely connected.
bright parrot
i believe mr owl is connected to laura's death
Here's what I know about Laura.
1.) Apparantly Rose and Laura left the lake
2.) They have a room in hotel
3.) Laura had mental problems
So she went to RLMHF
Which is owned by owl
fossil lily
and about mr owl, in paradox we saw that his future is a FISH , i think they used fish because they decided to leave his future anonymous but if its true im gonna be very sad
thats possible
bright parrot
Which is owned by owl
After laura returned from the cabin
Which was her room in mental facility
She was still in touch with them.
At last
Laura died of unknown causes
fossil lily
if there is different timelines and they are combining, laura will be back because she is a very important character
bright parrot
Which appears to be advantageous for owl
fossil lily
Which appears to be advantageous for owl
how?
bright parrot
Or maybe that was owl's purpose when he took her in facility
fossil lily
mr owl is a muastermind
bright parrot
Owl lived and his mother died in ritual of elixir
fossil lily
everything we saw was just a beggining of a big plan
bright parrot
When William and Aldous did the ritual
William died
Then reincarnated
Owl loves his mom
Maybe he's trying to learn secret of artificial reincarnation
Like what william did
fossil lily
that can be true
bright parrot
So he can bring back her mom
bright parrot
From the very beginning all we've seen is Owl and Crow are after laura and Dale
fossil lily
they trapped him because he is smart and can figure out the actual lore of rl?
bright parrot
but what is going with dale?
Dale is just wrong place wrong time guy (atleast till now)
Dale was investigating her murder
And got more involved in RL
fossil lily
Dale is just wrong place wrong time guy (atleast till now)
but still if its his bad luck it would not be this serious
it feels like mr owl lured him into the lake
bright parrot
@azure bay I believe that dale already knew something about lake. Coz he was so fascinated by Laura's connection to the Lake.
bright parrot
it feels like mr owl lured him into the lake
That's unclear till now but for sure it must be his destiny
fossil lily
and also mr rabbit was there
fossil lily
what if james father was mr crows another brother
azure bay
and about mr owl, in paradox we saw that his future is a FISH , i think they us...
No, I think fish is literal here. He'll die and be reborn as a normal fish, following the laws of samsara
bright parrot
and also mr rabbit was there
Mr. Rabbit came but that was jakobs brother (forgot the name) and not really the rabbit
In human form not in asura form
fossil lily
Mr. Rabbit came but that was jakobs brother (forgot the name) and not really the...
david yea
fossil lily
No, I think fish is literal here. He'll die and be reborn as a normal fish, foll...
thats also possible
bright parrot
@azure bay you have paradise timeline?
azure bay
we all know that his grandpa was crow
Nope we don't he looks like Crow but that doesn't make complete sense
fossil lily
everything is just a mystery
azure bay
In human form not in asura form
That's unlikely. A human wouldn't identify himself as his long dead past life incarnation
fossil lily
its not a coincidence that dale accidentally entered rusty lake. he already new about it or mr owl lured him
azure bay
its not a coincidence that dale accidentally entered rusty lake. he already new ...
He discovered Laura having visited the lake that's how he got that thread and fell into a rabbit hole
azure bay
<@351360215268196373> you have paradise timeline?
Wdym?
bright parrot
Here are some statements I want to give. (This is what I think)
1.) Grandpa in bday is not real it's crow he can travel in time and memories. The reason they are doing this is to prevent dale from going corrupt.
2.) Dale already know something about the lake before the laura incident. Maybe his parents are related to lake
3.) David's birth and Dale's birthday incident are 2 centuries apart.
What I think is that
Maybe david was not there
Maybe that's what they are trying to make dale believe
azure bay
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We've been throught that million times. Memories in cubes are real, people living there are alive, one can't just come in and say "hi, I'm your grandpa"
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Dale knew nothing. He was clear about that in the ch2 intro of Case 23
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That's right, that's a long time. But technically that IS David and that IS Mr. Rabbit. And I personally believe he was a corrupted soul in Bday, considering his jumpscares, the writings on the pistol chest and his desperate will to "escape this state"
@bright parrot
fossil lily
1) We've been throught that million times. Memories in cubes are real, people li...
bu why is mr owl doing experiments and stuffs on dale inn paradox?
is dale still there?
bright parrot
RL paradox taught me that you can creat anything in mind
azure bay
RL paradox taught me that you can creat anything in mind
Birthday is not mind
It's a cube physically floating around the lake
And Dale passes by it inside a physical elevator
azure bay
bu why is mr owl doing experiments and stuffs on dale inn paradox?
Paradox was a test for sure. In one way or another it was also a choice who among Laura and Dale dies and who gets enlightenment
azure bay
i just dont get the elevator part
There's a big white cube at the lake bottom seen in The Cave
There's the Rusty Lake Hotel right above it
fossil lily
There's a big white cube at the lake bottom seen in The Cave
oof i havent played cave since a while it hurts my brain
azure bay
The elevator shaft in the hotel has a mysterious -1st floor button missing
The big cube is that -1st floor
And the elefator shaft goes really deep down
fossil lily
The elevator shaft in the hotel has a mysterious -1st floor button missing
so he is in the elevator where he can see his memories in cubes
azure bay
During Birthday and Theatre that is
fossil lily
and he found that elevator while investigating Laura's death?
azure bay
A bit after
He found AN elevator in the end of Case 23
It lead down to the bottom but not into the big white cube
fossil lily
but the main reason he was there for case 23 aka lauras death
azure bay
but the main reason he was there for case 23 aka lauras death
The main reason is relative
I think the main main reason was Owl wanting to supply the lake with memories even after he dies
Therefore he needs a successor
Therefore he saw a prophecy
About Dale
Therefore he took him into his schemes
There's a mural also in The Cave of Dale finally reaching the bottom in the cabin elevator and being guided by Owl into the big cube where the other elevator is. The one connected to the hotel
fossil lily
you know alot damn
azure bay
Years of research and discussion
fossil lily
how many years?
azure bay
I 1st played RL games in summer 2018. It took time to roll in.
Paradox gave me the 1st taste of trying to solve the story
I started talking to other theorists around late 2019
fossil lily
my cousin suggested me to play samsara and ngl i hated it and in "similar apps" i found the cube escape collection and boom currently playing roots again
azure bay
What was so bad about Samsara Room?
fossil lily
it was my first playing such a complicated game and it took me a lot of time to get how to solve this type of game
i played bear with me 2 before but the games doesnt have same type of logic soo anyways
another question where is dale currently
azure bay
There are different pov on it but all agree that he's on his way to the hotel
Likely about to reach it
Unless we get another adventure inside a cube for him
(Personally, I find that unlikely)
fossil lily
do you believe there is multiple timelines?
azure bay
I do but in a specific way
Cubes contain timelines
You could live inside them without telling them apart from the world outside the cube
fossil lily
i believe that dale saving his parents, laura dodging her death happened in other timeline but still affecting main one , and connected to the main timeline with cubes
azure bay
What's the degree of this influence?
fossil lily
theory
fossil lily
i can not explain
wait let me try
so you can travel to the past and communicate to the future, and can also create new timelines and stuff. if albert can make an old model of the time cube machine thing (forgot name) then why cant an important new character or any character from the future of another timeline can creat something that can travel between timelines?
and rose also made a machine which can create a human with soul, bone, skin and blood
azure bay
Well
It seems to me that RL magic system is soft but gets harder with new games
The laws of the universe become clearer
For now we only saw several isolated cases
Of going into the conditional past and talking to the conditional future
I think I can list things you need to do all that
But I was asking how exactly saving Laura or Dale's parents in a different timeline affects the "original" one
azure bay
Ok, I won't interfere by giving my answers
fossil lily
if cube contains timelines, what is the difference between cubes?
azure bay
What cubes?
fossil lily
i know that white is good memory and black is bad but what about blue and golden?
fossil lily
so the blue one is rare you can say
azure bay
Maybe? We don't really know how they are produced
The lake is somehow connected to them. It can do the same, onsidering ch4 of Case 23
But I have no idea what's the chicken here and what's the egg
fossil lily
so the concept of cubes only happens in rusty lake and too maintain this you have sacrifice people?
azure bay
Not necessarily
I'm just saying that the lake may or may not be a source of blue cubes
And if it is it could be not the only one
The golden cube is the weirdest here
fossil lily
i dont know what it does but know it is top tier
azure bay
The surface-lvl theorists thought it was a cube of future because of a certain vague line in The Cave
"the memories are also a key to the future"
fossil lily
aaaahhh
azure bay
But the same phrase in Paradise meant a completely different thing
Caroline's memories did not contain Jakob's future
They were rather a tool to make it happen
To fulfill his destiny
fossil lily
yes i know that
azure bay
And the time when this line was literal it wasn't about a golden cube
But rather about a white one
In Hotel it was a white cube showing the future
fossil lily
i didnt play hotel that much also
hotel and cave is my least played
love roots,case 23, the cabin
(cause cabin is very simple)
azure bay
Considering subtle clues in The Cave, Paradise, some wording of the devs, I think that the golden cube is a form of the elixir of life and death
However
TPW either proves it wrong or incomplete
Cause there it literally contains the future
azure bay
tpw contains some illogical things
Like what?
fossil lily
i like how the 2d turns into 3d and 3d into 2d
i mean different from other rusty lake content/ proving some old thing wrong
i need to go im here for a long time
azure bay
i mean different from other rusty lake content/ proving some old thing wrong
I'd like to know what exactly you mean
azure bay
U owe me that 
clever pike
i believe that dale saving his parents, laura dodging her death happened in oth...
I think everything was meant to happen
Like all of the events leads other and others but idk what is the origin of that
clever pike
That’s what I’m trying to understand
azure bay
can you start over and give more context?
clever pike
What is the original event that made everything
azure bay
what exactly was meant to happen?
azure bay
maybe we could understand that together?
clever pike
Yeah I don’t know what I’m saying it was just a thought
azure bay
a thought about what? Birthday? Seasons? The series as a whole?
clever pike
The whole serie
I wonder what leads everything , the rebirth of William, the birthday incident, the case 23, the enlightenment of Mr Jakob and Mr crow, etc
azure bay
I think the biggest driver of the events was Owl wanting to find and prepare a successor
to eventually replace himself
clever pike
But was there smth before that? In paradise or even before
azure bay
The lake exists and needs memories, I guess
originally it was a cult providing them
then Owl replaced it
clever pike
And we don’t know the origin of the lake and everything
Where does it comes from
There is so much more thing to be in games
azure bay
we already have 16 games
clever pike
And there is still more unresolved mysteries
Why does the lake needs memories, where does the lake comes from, and more
azure bay
I mean we know a lot already and that's enough to make sense of the story
we don't need to go back to the big bang or whatever have created the universe
that would be cool
but if not, there's nothing to be sad about
clever pike
I’d like them to go deeper in the story
clever pike
we don't need to go back to the big bang or whatever have created the universe
I never said that😭
azure bay
There will always be some places to go back to
clever pike
Ikr
clever pike
I Hope so
azure bay
why "hope"? we have deliberate teasers
clever pike
Where?
azure bay
in their communication
in the x-max greeting 2018
in the new year roadmap 2019 (even though they didn't fulfill that promise)
clever pike
Where can I find these?
azure bay
in their gamescom 2021 Q&A
in their blog archive
except for the latter
only the chinese community was smart enough to document that Q&A
the recent teaser is the last year roadmap panorama
clever pike
On the website?
clever pike
Ty!
bright parrot
Ida Vanderboom née Reiziger
I just found Ida's full name
@covert wyvern a little help here what does it translates to
covert wyvern
Vanderboom as you know translates to from the tree
Reiziger translates to traveller
covert wyvern
Yes
bright parrot
Also I wouldn't be surprised if Harvey is Dale's dad
That's more of a fan fic for now
azure bay
There was a youtuber that "made" Harvey father of Nicolas, Gerard, James, and who not. Based on the assumption that the OG SR was canon, it took place before all the other games, Harvey is the protagonist and in the end he becomes a bodhisattva and can return anytime in any form
Sorry, but I have never had so much bullshit in my life
bright parrot
Sorry, but I have never had so much bullshit in my life
Yes
What I said was a hot take it just came to my mind and I typed it out.
Though Harvey is unexplored for now.
Maybe we will get a glimpse in metro game.
azure bay
I think we're eventually getting a separate game about Harvey and the blooming forest
vapid portal
been a long time since ive talked in this channel but i have a question that maybe theorists have a possible answer to: why are there two alternate options for tpw? (the bee and the butterfly)
because im assuming they're two different timelines for the past but like why are there two
tiny kelp
i think it’s just for people who want to replay as the other side ( past/future ) but wabt different puzzles
i dont think there’s lore to that aspect
vapid portal
but theres different details in both
tiny kelp
yes, but those arent exactly storyline related details
vapid portal
u think so? cuz in the butterfly, there are good things that made albert happy in the past (such as the butterfly of his childhood and rose next to his heart) while in the bee, its more bitter and makes albert angry (bees that stung him in childhood, ida next to his heart)
maybe im just overanalyzing things lol but i just find it weird to re-add another version of the game for funsies, especially since the universe is FILLED with easter eggs
floral mauve
I think its lore related as well
the obvious ones are like both endings
and details like bees and butterflies
and honorable mention
changes in photos in his pocket I believe
I am not sure
one is Rose and other was Ida?
@covert wyvern is that right?
sorry for the pin
covert wyvern
Checks out
The trees are different
The gem to open the altar id
Is
These miniscule discrepancies are fascinating
floral mauve
butterfly is rose and bee is ida?
delicate atlas
Yeah I remember a white tree and a pink tree
floral mauve
it could tell that Albert's emotion towards Ida as well
delicate atlas
But I might be misremembering
floral mauve
it could tell that Albert's emotion towards Ida as well
since its bee
delicate atlas
Ouch
vapid portal
(white tree is bee pink tree is butterfly)
floral mauve
ye
floral mauve
Ouch
but funny enough, the question was the same, what is closest to the heart of Albert Vanderboom
however
u could say physical meaning
like its in the pocket
floral mauve
but thats the problem, for Albert
Rose or Ida
ehm
maybe Rose cuz she is butterfly side
and Albert didnt kill her
delicate atlas
LMAO
azure bay
u think so? cuz in the butterfly, there are good things that made albert happy i...
Speaking of lore details, I'd say that each insect brings certain things to the surface but everything is canon regardless
Like the diary
Both entries are canon
Emma stole the butterfly
And the siblings laughed over the bee attack
Both photos are kinda canon
Albert loved both Rose and Ida
Everything else doesn't seem much lore related
delicate atlas
Is this why some dead characters in rl have coins on their eyes?
@covert wyvern is there an equivalent of this in dutch or European cultures in general?
Other than in Greece
floral mauve
Is this why some dead characters in rl have coins on their eyes?
Someone did mention this before
delicate atlas
Oh
floral mauve
I love Hades
fierce beacon
same?
azure bay
same
fierce beacon
mr owl?
azure bay
Mr. Crow
azure bay
probably just a reference
fierce beacon
cool
azure bay
also
azure bay
thx
carmine field
then this is?
probably a random person fishing in the lake
one theory that could very well be true is that he is part of the Rusty Lake staff, considering the amount of stuff involving the staff
Hotel, Theatre, The White Door, Best Kept Memory (?), and probably more
azure bay
one theory that could very well be true is that he is part of the Rusty Lake sta...
looks like just a fisherman to me
his major purpose is the puzzle
there doesn't have to be more to him
floral mauve
probably a villager
carmine field
yep, he might just be someone random fishing around the lake
and it wouldn't even need a sense for it to be there, considering we literally talked to a fish with morse code moments before to solve a puzzle
What I said was purely a guess, nothing more than that
He helped Mr. Crow, and that's it
azure bay
I like to make guesses based not on some general knowledge but some specific details.
How exactly he helped him? Why did he do it? How did he know what Crow needed? Was it really what we saw?
why is more or less clear
we helped him catch fish
but why did we do that?
mostly to get a fishing hook
It seems obvious to get it from him
considering Crow knew what he needed
how he communicated his need to the fisherman is a different matter
and did he really did it?
void egret
I kinda have some stupid theories:
1.In the the "past with in" there is the past and the future right? Maybe "Rose" is the one in the future?
2. In samsara room we see the faceless man maybe he is trapped in that body and that body is the one who killed not the soul and maybe he is Albert?
azure bay
I kinda have some stupid theories:
1.In the the "past with in" there is the past...
It was Rose in the future. It was revealed in ch2
azure bay
You mean u played lite or not?
void egret
I meant I played lite
azure bay
And Samsara Room
The ending made everything clear
It was William's soul being reborn in the end of Roots
void egret
Seriously I am not old in rusty Lake community so yeah
azure bay
It's not about being old or new. At least to some degree.
void egret
Ok I just can't afford buying other games of Rusty Lake
azure bay
Yeah, that would be a problem
void egret
Ikr
azure bay
did anyone pay attention to details in TPW? Albert's CS appearances in The Future seem confusing. Maybe anyone understood them?
floral mauve
wdym by appearance
azure bay
generally, how he got to the future
floral mauve
I thought we discussed this, light flickering and boom empty tank got a CS
azure bay
there are 2 different instances
- phasing in & out the reality when the alarm was on in the ch1
- an indefinite presence after the cube was inserted in ch2
floral mauve
I thought we discussed this, light flickering and boom empty tank got a CS
the only way I will not accept is ppl saying Albert CS has been there for like 40 years or something
floral mauve
1) phasing in & out the reality when the alarm was on in the ch1
2) an indefinit...
what indefinite presence
azure bay
what indefinite presence
I mean he's constantly there till the end after the black cube was inserted into the tank
floral mauve
I still dont really get what u meant
floral mauve
yes, I just checked ur walkthrough
floral mauve
I mean he's constantly there till the end after the black cube was inserted into...
so I get what u meant here
but I thought there was a screenshot for flickering CS in chapter 1 in the tank as well
floral mauve
the red light blinking stage right?
floral mauve
this might show that, CS needs black cube as their power core or something, otherwise it may not be stable, Rose inserted her own black cube to stabilise Albert CS connection, and then recreate the body or return to human stage somehow (still doesnt feel real to me ngl)
azure bay
also
the stage of inserting the BC was called "power resurrection tank" in the todo list
floral mauve
so its indeed a power core I guess
azure bay
for the tank
maybe not for the CS
The thing I don't understand
why does it appear in the tank during the PS program?
floral mauve
well, as I said, probably instant causal effect
lets say, they transferred the soul to the future first, forget about samsara
azure bay
why is it gone after the new connection was established?
floral mauve
gone means he aint there, invisible means he is there, u just gotta do something for him to appear
azure bay
gone means he aint there, invisible means he is there, u just gotta do something...
it seems you don't see the problem
azure bay
he is more like in a schrodiger state during PS program
so why isn't it after the program is over?
floral mauve
so why isn't it after the program is over?
dunno, maybe lost power
azure bay
power of what?
floral mauve
power surge program, he still got electricity or something. Then it sort of go out of power as I recall?
azure bay
power surge program, he still got electricity or something. Then it sort of go o...
the electricity was only in the end
before that was only preparation
floral mauve
I probably cant explain it, I would guess its like in the movies or fictional tv series, when the change made in the past, might reflect on the future instantly
azure bay
my problem is potential inconsistency
it's there during the program
it isn't right after
floral mauve
my problem is potential inconsistency
tpw itself is pretty inconsistent ngl
azure bay
tpw itself is pretty inconsistent ngl
in what way?
floral mauve
with crow and harvey in between?
azure bay
Crow & Harvey don't have to mean anything
floral mauve
its like a fever dream paradox
azure bay
the golden cube and future energy is weird, yes
but it's about the external consistency
I'm speaking of the internal one
floral mauve
yea
what exactly, the flickering light PS is causal effect stage (not electrically speaking, but more universal speaking), which is unstable, the tank itself is out of power
though quite funny how universe react, by spawn Albert right into the tank
floral mauve
must have placed a minecraft bed in the tank
floral mauve
I didn't get you
which part
azure bay
what exactly, the flickering light PS is causal effect stage (not electrically s...
I'd appreciate paraphrasing everything here
floral mauve
the flickering light PS is causal-effect stage, its about past and future link, something universal, a change made in the past caused an instant reflection or butterfly effect in the future, the soul got corrupted due to the coin placement.
hard to explain
azure bay
what do you call "the flickering light power surge" ?
floral mauve
I suspect it might be built as a part of the program
it requires a power spike to reinforce it
so I guess power surge program is to transfer the CS presence from past to future
azure bay
The screen was saying that it was about the GC creation
floral mauve
but we can be certain that its due to the corruption of the soul
azure bay
What is?
azure bay
ok, go on
floral mauve
go on wha
azure bay
Speak to me as if I were an idiot
floral mauve
🗿
azure bay
I don't get your message, idea or question
azure bay
Then please, let's start over
bright parrot
Here's a theory/assumption
Rusty lake is not real (even in game)
Maybe it's a metaphor
Here's what we know about the Lake
It's a collection of memories
And cubes of memory float in it
Nvm this theory is no good
fierce beacon
rust is a form of corrosion
and the memories corrode when in the lake
leaving a corrupted soul
so like
rusty memories
bright parrot
What I think is that
Like we have memories so they gave it a unit
A cube
And river of memories is our brain
Memories get vague/hazy when not pondered on for a long time
When you share your memories with other people they add their perspective to it, which can be good or bad
Thus changing memory but it's a small change to be noticed
fierce beacon
Memories get vague/hazy when not pondered on for a long time
like rust
fierce beacon
Thus changing memory but it's a small change to be noticed
u can fix something rusty but itll never be the same
bright parrot
Yes
You can de rust it
But that loses its mass
Like if an object is x kgs and it's got rust on it y kgs and you remove the rust
Then you'll have less of that item
fierce beacon
yup
bright parrot
Sometimes people force memories on us
Which are hard to accept but some people eventually accept it
fierce beacon
or u dont remember something until u see a photo of urself there
bright parrot
Black cubes are bad memories
Blue cubes are the representation of changed memory
White cubes are good memories
azure bay
and the memories corrode when in the lake
Aw the devs said, "the lake needs memories and memories need the lake to be preserved"
azure bay
Blue cubes are the representation of changed memory
//_-
Blue cubes are not even memories
They are a tool
Time flow bending tool
Birthday is a changed memory
And it turned white
bright parrot
Blue cubes are not even memories
They are metaphor
azure bay
They are metaphor
Metaphor like they don't actually exist?
bright parrot
Nah they do exist
azure bay
Or what are u trying to say?
bright parrot
I'm just trying to interpret what they mean
bright parrot
They represent that the memory is edited
Like I said earlier
Cubes are units of memory
And blue cubes are incident or event
Which changed the memory
azure bay
You misunderstood me
I was asking about what you were trying to interpret "what they mean or what they are"
Which one of these
bright parrot
What they mean
azure bay
This area seems confusing
I don't really understand what you imply by "meaning something"
Ah
Wait, I'll reread
Blue cubes are not events
They are cubes
Objects
azure bay
Even black and white cubes are not measures
bright parrot
Yes They are measures/units
azure bay
A single black cube may contain just 1 memory or a whole life worth of memories or even many lives
And you wouldn't tell a difference
azure bay
I mean
In The Mill we took all Laura's memories in 2 cubes
And in The Cave they revealed to contain William's memories as well
And who knows of how many past lives of theirs
And blue cubes contain nothing like that
If I were to guess what's inside them, I'd say time
And even then I wouldn't be sure what it means
In Seasons it make the clock go back and make all the memories accessible whenever you are
Like unlocks the entire timeline
In Birthday it rolls back time
In The Cave it's marked with a clock insignia in the book
And when we look inside it we see the clock
@bright parrot
bright parrot
When anyone talks to a therapist about something
They tell the whole memory
Then the therapist can choose which part of memory they want to focus on
Maybe something like that
Coz memories can be changed,shared,edited,blurry
azure bay
Coz memories can be changed,shared,edited,blurry
Are you speaking of IRL?
bright parrot
Yup
azure bay
Yup
And it's Rusty Lake. A fictional universe with magic a ton of nonesense happening
Which may make sense internally
bright parrot
I'm just trying to make sense out why and what's happening.
azure bay
Sometimes IRL is a good reference
to do things like that
But not always
Cubes are called memories
But they are much more than that
We've been through that many times
They recreate the objective reality featuring things the memory owner has no way to know or sometimes even imagine
Like what's hidden inside the box
Or what other people think
Under certain circonstances they can warp the thing we call the reality
@bright parrot
Forget about therapists when speaking of cubes
They apply only as long as memories are inside one's head
azure bay
Cubes are called memories
bright parrot
What's the difference between
Cubes are memories
And
Cubes are called memories
azure bay
The difference is, memories, as you say, can get blurry, forgotten, wrong etc. Subjective, in one word.
Cubes, on the other hand, are objective. They don't rely on the owner's knowledge or their beliefs about the world
By default the cubes show the reality how it was
In details
They bring you back and give you as much liberty as you had during the original event
You can change things
You can learn things you didn't know at the time
Like what's behind the door you didn't choose to open originally
What's inside the box
void egret
Bro, how did you manage to write all of THAT
azure bay
Bro, how did you manage to write all of THAT
Using... hands?
bright parrot
So are they like BKM
void egret
I meant I can't even write that much in my essays
azure bay
So are they like BKM
What do you mean?
azure bay
I meant I can't even write that much in my essays
Honestly, I don't know how to answer on that 😅
void egret
Np
covert wyvern
id see it as a compliment;)
azure bay
Fair enough, then thanks
covert wyvern
also isnt BKM distinctly different from cubes
Cubes are memories made manifest right
where as BKM only stores memories onto conventional storage devices
bright parrot
Cubes also stores memories right?
Also we saw cubes in footages of ARG
They put the cube in computer type thingie
And extract the memories
Put it in VHS
And Voila you made a memory
azure bay
I didn't see much of BKM storage but I would guess it may or may not go beyond visual and auditory stimuli stored on VHS the winners get
If we speak of their internal storage that is
floral mauve
where as BKM only stores memories onto conventional storage devices
perhaps it allows memory to last longer even without store it within the lake
azure bay
Cubes also stores memories right?
You seem to still miss the point
The cubes contain not memories in the traditional sense
They store at least a faithful model of the reality
floral mauve
cube more like recorder of the life
memory is something u could forget conventionally
floral mauve
memory is something u could forget conventionally
though, we dont have any proof ngl, how can we be certain the memory present to us isnt under some subjective influence
bright parrot
The cubes contain not memories in the traditional sense
Then why is it called a memory and how is it different from a memory
azure bay
Then why is it called a memory and how is it different from a memory
It's clearly originated from memories.
But memories are subjective. They don't go beyond the owner's knowledge and point of view.
The cubes do. I repeat, they may contain things beyond the owner's knowledge, memory and understanding
The same difference separates a movie from a game
You can't change a thing inside a movie
It's limited to the camera's scope
Even the writer may not know what's beyond that
Not even speaking of the viewer
The player has much more liberty
Some kind of choice
And often freedom to go back and do things differently
bright parrot
The same difference separates a movie from a game
Is it possible to make a memory out of cube.
The person who's Put inside cube may feel it's real
I'm not implying anything
Just there's a possibility
azure bay
What do you mean by "make a memory"?
bright parrot
What do you mean by "make a memory"?
Can someone get an Experience of thing they never did from a cube
Coz they are placed as a protagonist in that memory
azure bay
Doesn't what we see in RL qualify?
bright parrot
Exactly
Many/some of the experiences we see may not be real
They are put there
Like playing a video game
bright parrot
Have you seen black mirror
azure bay
Nope
bright parrot
Damn
If anyone here has seen it check S02 EP04
Stories are not connected
So you can watch it
@azure bay
You'll get what I'm saying maybe
azure bay
I played The Past Within and the reality inside the cube was questined. In a way that Albert warns Rose in his letter that the room she's in now can be changed by the person in the future
bright parrot
You are getting there
I'm questioning the reality
Of the realism
They are offering
Though maybe I shouldn't do it coz either it will end in disappointment or spoiler
azure bay
They question it differently
I mean
They know their reality to some extent
They have an idea of normalcy
I'll use Birthday as an example
Using a cube, you can drop off a present by a door inside it
And cause no suspicion that the reality was changed
Because a random box by your door isn't a big deal. It could get there naturally and that what would you assume
But if you replace your grandpa with a stranger you'd definitely notice
And, as TPW implies you wouldn't be the only one
All your familly has the same idea of normalcy
And they'd notice too
bright parrot
Reverse of time is also a big event
Revival of family is also a big event
Why did they go unnoticed
We know his family is dead.
We read the news
bright parrot
The victims?
Dale
azure bay
Dale was the one who did it
azure bay
I don't get why Dale's pov is important here
He knows things beyond the general idea of normalcy
bright parrot
Coz the birthday was for dale
None of it was real
It was like a game
(As you said)
azure bay
I still don't get your point
Dale is the traveller, as the book called him. An outsider. He knows more than his family. His idea of normalcy was expanded. We don't know if he questions Birthday or not and it's beyond my point
I'm telling that people inside the system would notice that dead people are suddenly alive if it was as simple as that
bright parrot
Dale is now the part of the plan
He will make the elixir
They are trying to save dale from turning corrupt
azure bay
How is that relevant to the reality of the cubes?
bright parrot
Also maybe Mr. Owl killing all Hotel members was a part of inviting dale to the white cube room
bright parrot
How is that relevant to the reality of the cubes?
It's related to why dale is important
Dale's importance is related to reality fo cube
azure bay
It's not because Dale isn't the only one dealing with cubes
We have Laura
We have Van Gogh
Since reecently we have Rose
Mr. Rabbit also is likely to have such journey
My point is
Whether the cubes are real or not, their inhabitants are living and they can notice the external changes
Theoretically you can alter a cube to some extent to model a new experience
But for the most part it's the same as changing the reality outside the cube in a natural way
If you want to pretend to be someone's grandpa, make sure to become one as early as possible
I mean become an adoptive parent
Or at least change your look to seem their granpa
bright parrot
Then that questions the Bday again as I said the memory continued after his parents death. Which originally was the end.
But it continued
And dale was not suspicious
Just like in theatre (which is also a memory)
azure bay
Suspicious about what?
azure bay
Let's stay with birthday for a while
bright parrot
Suspicious about what?
About the memory
Isn't continuing a memory is also a change
azure bay
Tell me what exactly should cause Dale's suspicions ?
bright parrot
Dale be like"They died so why is it not over"
bright parrot
Coz he remembers that his parents died
He maybe shouldn't worry
But atleast should be suspicious
azure bay
About what?
bright parrot
Like how are they alive again
azure bay
He made the change
He rolled back time before they died
And they didn't die in the end
What's to be so sus about?
azure bay
Why? He saved them
Almost personally
It wasn't sudden
He put effort into it
It was continuous for him
And it wasn't obviously external
The thing he should've questioned would be a new present he got
That is if he remembered that he didn't get it
Or he remembered the rest of his life after the massacre including him entering the cube
@bright parrot
bright parrot
Well that too
If the gift was small and unimportant
It would have gone unnoticed
But that played a big role
Maybe even bigger than grandpa
Coz you don't see a hand coming out with cube in every birthday gift
azure bay
The big problem is, we don't know how entering the cubes works
Do you preserve your outside knowledge?
Or do you completely adopt the mindset of your past-self?
Either way that wouldn't be much of a problem
If it's the latter, he didn't remember a thing. Not even the massacre itself. It was just another present for him and everything rolled out naturally
If it's the former why should his knowledge and his suspicions be relevant?
What would they change?
@bright parrot
bright parrot
Do you preserve your outside knowledge?
I believe that it's like waking up without much consciousness
Like dale in paradox
azure bay
And so?
bright parrot
Nothing just answering a question
bright parrot
Maybe
azure bay
Like they mattered just as much as the ones of the insiders
bright parrot
Here's what I think
Changing a memory for the person is easy if that person wants it too
Like dale was traumatized
And Owl helped
So he didn't show any resistance
And Incase of Laura (which they also made continuation in memory even though she died) they opposed her opinion
Thus causing resistance
azure bay
What case of Laura?
azure bay
But her CS lived
azure bay
Is CS even alive
They move, they have emotions, wishes, they recognize people, they can react, they can fulfill coplex tasks. Also they have memories if not taken away
They are not alive in the common sense but they are still creatures with cognition
azure bay
And then we see her in Cave
And what does it prove?
bright parrot
I'm just confused about laura
More that I'm about Mr.Crow
How did she came back
Was that just a phase
azure bay
Came back where?
bright parrot
From CS to human
azure bay
When?
bright parrot
How's she changing forms
azure bay
What exactly are you talking about?
bright parrot
Also I'm tired now, I'll continue tomorrow:)
azure bay
Let's finish this one and go
bright parrot
What exactly are you talking about?
How did she came back in human form after being a CS
azure bay
How did she came back in human form after being a CS
//_- when? At what exact moment?
@bright parrot
azure bay
Yes, she died
azure bay
When?
azure bay
In the end oc Cave
It was for a second
And we saw Dale corrupted for a second
And then Dale started flickering between human and corrupted state
bright parrot
It was a sign of dale getting corrupted
And that's why owl and crow are helping him
azure bay
No, that's not it
Corruption doesn't look like that
It crawls over your body
Either they intentionally made him semi-corrupted
Or it's some quantum mumbo jumbo
The whole journey isn't about preventing corruption
But giving him the right mindset
And It seems that his semi-corruption is somehow connected to laura's moment of humanity
But after that Laura stayed corrupted and then after unknown amont of time she's free and has her cubes to dive it
@bright parrot
azure bay
rare agate
I need explanation of rusty lake story
vivid bridge
oh great catch
I wonder if you play as the conductor and the train is full of whacky characters and to introduce them, you have to check their tickets each. Like how you gave the hotel guests the shrimp cocktail. Maybe each passenger has their own train car and its really similar to Hotel, including one of the passengers being a magician
azure bay
For now it's teased to be mostly about Laura's early life
Infancy, childhood, hobbies, broken timepiece
Relationship with Bob
vivid bridge
I mean, you're basing this off, like, 1 image
We really don't have a lot of information
vivid bridge
In the new image, we have the conductor and the magician and usually these games wouldn't have you as a third party interacting with them (exception being Roots for obvious reasons) so i'm thinking we're actually playing as the conductor here
azure bay
Maybe
Maybe not
The teasers are about Laura and Rose, for the most part
Metro, ofc
Recently about Bob
vivid bridge
I sure hope its about Laura and Rose cause TPW was kind of a disappointment regarding that
but based on this new clip, i'm pretty sure we play as the conductor
azure bay
TPW was great regarding how the cubes work, on the other hand
vivid bridge
Was it? I thought TPW's cube inside cube thing was very specific to Albert's funky machines
azure bay
It wasn't about devices
They were just tools of interaction
TPW finally proved that cubes are as real as the reality
That people live inside them and have an idea of normalcy
That they can acknowledge external changes
That you can pass matter in and out
vivid bridge
Eh sure
Not really my point, though. My point was that the game wasted Rose's story in my opinion
azure bay
It wasn't for me since there's still a huge gap I know will be filled since 2020
vivid bridge
TPW took the longest to develop, like there had been demos of it since 2019
I just don't think the game does a lot with its premise
the premise is the entire story
my point is that this metro game could be the thing I actually want
so thats nice
azure bay
TPW was difficult for the devs to figure out. They started over at least twice
azure bay
the premise *is* the entire story
The ending was still surprising
It went far beyond the premise of resurrecting Albert
vivid bridge
I think I just care more about the actual characters than about vague lore about how the cubes work
Rose turning into a tree or something and Albert just being like "hey i'm alive again. Nice" was just not satisfying to me
I can't believe that Rose, everyone's favorite badass goth chick, had her entire life revolve around resurrecting two shitty old men and then "dying"
Doesn't pass the bechdel test is all i'm saying
anyways, going back to the metro game, I could see the metro being like a metaphysical space, with each train car/passenger representing a stage in Laura's life or something
The new clip really seems to imply that we're gonna be dealing with different passengers
azure bay
I need explanation of rusty lake story
The major story told throughout CE series was about Owl finding and then creating his successor.
Most of the other games further contextualise it. Hotel was about how Owl discovered Dale. Roots was about how Dale will ascend and why Laura is important for that. Paradise was about Owl's origin and again parallels between him and Dale. The White Door was about a background character both Laura and Dale knew and may still have a little connection to Owl's plan.
Only after that we've got 2 games connected rather to Roots than CE.
floral mauve
I can't believe that Rose, everyone's favorite badass goth chick, had her entire...
Come on, I think we gonna get some cute interactions between Laura and Rose but I believe she gonna have a poker face on all the time
Which makes it more wholesome
floral mauve
That’s the rose vibe
vivid bridge
the game is giving me kinda White Door vibes so far and I guess thats the most emotional game in the series
so I guess this could work
floral mauve
I just don't want to get my hopes up
For me, the sketch book and samsara room secret ending is sweet enough in RL universe considering most mom just dies
vivid bridge
yeah those are sweet I guess
i'd have loved to see that in TPW
literally just have there be a newspaper article about laura's death and then Old Rose sheds a tear
that'd be enough for me
but that entire game just revolves around her mindlessly bringing her shitty dad back to life
floral mauve
Well, it was kinda obvious that the game was gonna be about Albert and Rose only so I think u kinda expected it in the wrong way
The young Laura game was in their mind before tpw came out so that’s why many of us never expected Laura Rose interactions in tpw
floral mauve
but that entire game just revolves around her mindlessly bringing her shitty dad...
Better read game descriptions next time🤷♂️
vivid bridge
A character is allowed to have multiple character relations at the same time, you know. No reason not to reference Laura in TPW
vivid bridge
with the mammoth?
floral mauve
Yea
vivid bridge
oh man i'm that mammoth's biggest fan
floral mauve
And after CEC release, we got tonnes of young Laura Easter eggs
Therefore, it’s kinda obvious (sorry) that there are gonna be three games, tpw, young Laura and mammoth, and results as you saw, tpw got first due to planning in 2018, then young Laura is probably more popular than mammoth
So it’s reasonable I guess
floral mauve
I know
But it’s reasonable due to covid and unity and new 3D design
They got triple struggles💀💀💀
vivid bridge
Yeah but I don't know how much that impacts the story of the game
lets be honest, the rusty lake games never had the most satisfying stories
floral mauve
I think they had the idea of resurrecting Albert in mind for a long time
Most due to roots positive feedbacks, I personally never liked Albert
vivid bridge
thats another problem with me. When they said "the game is about albert coming back" I thought that meant "the game is about what Albert does once he comes back" and not literally "the game is about resurrecting albert and once he's back, the game ends"
floral mauve
Most due to roots positive feedbacks, I personally never liked Albert
Back in 2018
So I always think tpw is just fan service game
vivid bridge
yeah people love albert and rose
floral mauve
Never expected much but at least I had fun with my friend
vivid bridge
Yeah its a fun friend, its just a bit disappointing to see the game just end with Albert being back. Like what's he gonna do now?!
floral mauve
thats another problem with me. When they said "the game is about albert coming b...
Well, how are we certain about Albert did come back
He only came back in one of the cube
So it’s like multi universe
In one universe, Albert got resurrected
vivid bridge
we'll see how that thing pans out
maybe we won't, it's been like 5 years since we've last seen Dale, our main protagonist. Who knows when we'll return to 'bert
floral mauve
I don’t think they will, at least not in another 3 years time, return to the tpw ending
I just guess that
floral mauve
maybe we won't, it's been like 5 years since we've last seen Dale, our main prot...
Well, did the white door come out in 2018?
Oh right
It released in 2020
So
3 years
To be precise
vivid bridge
yeah okay but you know what I mean
floral mauve
And there ain’t much story for Dale left tbh
vivid bridge
I mean, he still gotta reach the hotel, drink the final elixir and turn into an animal I guess
floral mauve
He became like Mr Owl, now we just gonna add some extra details for other characters
vivid bridge
they've been teasing this finale since Hotel in 2015
floral mauve
I mean, he still gotta reach the hotel, drink the final elixir and turn into an ...
Ehmmmmm
He did turn into Asura
vivid bridge
He hasn't yet
floral mauve
So I guess he did reach hotel
floral mauve
He hasn't yet
Better check out the white door
vivid bridge
him being a deer in that one is more of a metaphor
vivid bridge
I mean, its all part of a weird dream sequence that Bob has
not the most accurate depiction of reality
floral mauve
Bob never had any knowledge about Deer head Dale, he only knows Dale in theatre and prosecution
So if it appeared
vivid bridge
They've been teasing Dale reaching the hotel since Hotel back in 2015 and literally all the games before that (specifically Birthday, Theatre and Paradox) are about his journey there and learning his purpose and how things work. The actual moment where he turns into a funky animal and takes over the lake has yet to happen
floral mauve
He must have seen deer head Dale but forgot about him at some point
floral mauve
They've been teasing Dale reaching the hotel since Hotel back in 2015 and litera...
Dale reaching hotel is the plot for CE series
And CE series is officially ended according to devs
We might get more story for Dale but probably he is gonna be like Owl
Only appear as side characters
vivid bridge
I just never saw it like that
I feel like we still have that game left where he reaches the hotel
floral mauve
I feel like we still have that game left where he reaches the hotel
Why though, it was pretty clear that he reached a higher state and capable of handling golden cube, might even be a deva god
What else is left
Him organising hotel?
vivid bridge
actually showing it happen
He has the cube, yes. He knows about his purpose, yes. But the actual thing with him hasn't happened yet
floral mauve
actually showing it happen
I think devs would rather keep it as open ending for that but we sure will see Dale in some segments
vivid bridge
okay yeah sure but I think that's stupid if they just never show it
floral mauve
He might be behind bkm if Owl became fish
vivid bridge
the whole point of Birthday and Theatre is him going up the elevator towards the hotel, learning about his past and future and becoming ready to take over the lake. Theatre then ending with Mr. Owl saying "Now, continue your journey" and then To be continued... it's all setup
They can't just skip the actual payoff
I mean, they can and that's what i'm afraid of