🤔｜theories

[vague imp]

I'm unsure if this is just a reference or actually a symbolism, It can be noticed in the rusty lake universe, repetition of the idea of escaping from the mind and to have this painting named Presence of the mind which inspired Harvey's box.....

[azure bay]

Only Paradox was about escaping one's mind, as far as I'm concerned

[vague imp]

Really?

I thought it was a reccuring idea 😅

[azure bay]

the recurring idea was escaping cubes

[vague imp]

Plot twist Cubes = Minds

Jk it'll be insane

[azure bay]

cubes = memories in certain cases

[vague imp]

Yeah but we can't say that memories are the mind

[azure bay]

but memories are not synonymous to mind in RL

[vague imp]

Indeed

But how can 1 actually escape from his mind ...?

[azure bay]

Dale kinda did

[vague imp]

How thanks to the golden cube ?

Since it's the only ending that doesn't seem to loop back

[azure bay]

(sacrifice ending also seems to start no loop)

[vague imp]

Well death isn't really the best escape

But you're right

It doesn't loop back after drinking green vial

[azure bay]

I don't think TGC was the reason

[vague imp]

Perhaps he got enlightened

[azure bay]

not yet

[vague imp]

After taking the elevator

I mean

?

[azure bay]

I think we need an adventure in the hotel

before we see his enlightenment

[vague imp]

Are there unexplored parts of the hotel in rusty lake hotel (except for -1 which is potentially the white cube in the depths of the lake) ?

I kinda forgor

[azure bay]

(I think it's not potential but kinda confirmed)

[vague imp]

Oh where ? I didn't notice

[azure bay]

it's the place under the hotel where the elevator stops

[vague imp]

Oh nvm the end of hotel ?

Okay

So is death and possibly enlightenment the only way to escape the mind ?

[azure bay]

enlightenment didn't happen yet

it's for the future

[vague imp]

Because we can't be sure if dale gets enlightened or die at the end of his journey

[vague imp]

Okay

[azure bay]

I think Paradox is the choice who dies and who gets enlightened

[vague imp]

Oh and it seems that secret ending 2 is the "most" canon one

[azure bay]

I also think that all the infinite Paradox took place during several minutes IRL while Crow was operating the machine

[vague imp]

Could also be slightly before

Since Dale was all the time tied to the machine

[azure bay]

He technically wasn't, I think

Crow put the VR helmet on him

[vague imp]

Well then what he experienced during a hour or 2 /possibly infinity of time actually happened in 5 seconds, but that's no surprise since time passes weirdly in Rusty Lake

[azure bay]

or in dreams

so

back to the question

[vague imp]

He was tied

[azure bay]

looks like handcuffs

[vague imp]

*excuse my bad usage of English words

English isn't my main language

[azure bay]

relax it isn't for most of us including myself

I mean I don't think the mind connection would pass through hands

[vague imp]

I'm back again

Let's keep discussing @azure bay

(if you're free ofc)

[azure bay]

ok

[vague imp]

I wanted to bring a point that I find interesting

What happened to Laura after she attacked Harvey at the Mill

How did she find herself in the white cube in the depths of the lake

Any idea ?

[azure bay]

I think she escaped and then was recaptured

[vague imp]

Sounds right.

[azure bay]

interesting how tho

[vague imp]

I think she escaped by teleporting, but how would Mr Owl/Mr Crow capture or even find her ....?

[azure bay]

they really needed her. That's for sure

but I do wonder how they pulled it through

[vague imp]

Btw when do you think she was captured ?

After Dale found about the chapel ?
Before he did so ?
After he walked to the white cube at the depths of the lake (unlikely but possible since we can't know the time gap between when was Dale handcuffed, and when did the Golden Cube creation began) ?
Or is there no way to know?

[azure bay]

it's the latter! 😁 👍

but they definitely had time

months passed and Dale didn't even regrow his beard

[vague imp]

||His bread was a bird he never even had a bread to begin with, his bread is just a shell made to contain birds without personality but still with existential crisis.||

[azure bay]

woooow duuuuude

[vague imp]

He has the bread of the lake

But more seriously tho

I'm back ²

Well since there aren't any clues about how Laura was captured back

Let's talk about it later

Here is another question about Laura

After she was done with the extraction for the golden cube, what happened to her? And will Dale actually get enlightened ?

[azure bay]

what experiment u r talking about exactly?

[vague imp]

Miss typed 🤦

[vague imp]

I meant extraction

Of the Golden Cube

[azure bay]

I think then went Seasons

[vague imp]

That's what my point is about

In rusty lake paradise after Jakob gets enlightened

What actually happens to his mother Caroline ?

IF (VERY BIG IF) Caroline just got eased of existence after Jakob's enlightenment, then the same should have happened to Laura but since we see Laura back in seasons that could mean 1 of 3 things :
1 - Dale never got enlightened (before 1981 i think)
2 - Dale got enlightened through a different technique. (Potentially the golden cube changing Laura's future)
3 - Caroline just went away after Jakob's enlightenment(never got erased of existence or never merged after the enlightenment)

[woven lake]

Hello

[azure bay]

I'm betting on 3

[azure bay]

hi

[clever pike]

Do someone know what enlightenment means in rusty lake?

[delicate atlas]

All I know is that they become immortal demi-gods

And some develop super powers

Like Mr. Owl and Mr. Crow

And Caroline

[clever pike]

Tysm!

[floral mauve]

u sure caroline is enlightened?

[delicate atlas]

Idk man her corrupted soul harbored too much powers for her not to be

[clever pike]

Like aldous became Mr crow and how Jakob became Mr owl

[delicate atlas]

Yes

And the eilanders becoming half animals half humans

Iirc it's called an asura

[clever pike]

Are the elianders the guests of the hotel?

[delicate atlas]

I personally believe so

There's some evidence

Like the uncle from Paradis saying "boar"

[clever pike]

Like the ending of paradise

The masks

[delicate atlas]

The masks they wear

And in paradox chapter 2 there's a phone book where it lists Eilander D.

As in david eilander

And when you call the number mr. Rabbit visits

Indicating that David Eilander is Mr. Rabbit

But that's what I think

[clever pike]

Not the same Mr rabbit tho

[delicate atlas]

Maybe there's something I missed

?

Mr. Rabbit the one who killed Dale's parents

[clever pike]

There is a white one and a brown one

[delicate atlas]

Yeah to me they're the same person

[clever pike]

The brown is prolly David

[delicate atlas]

Just reincarnated one more time

[clever pike]

Maybe

[floral mauve]

I mean I never said corruption has no power

[delicate atlas]

Or brown's corrupted soul wearing a mask of a white rabbit

[floral mauve]

it seems like a strength and speed boost

possibly teleportation

[delicate atlas]

Hmm

Then she probably died before achieving it

[floral mauve]

all comparing to human obviously

[delicate atlas]

But was planing to

Hence the cave writings

[floral mauve]

yea, thats it, just burned to death

funny enough, how did she know she is gonna get her son enlightened

I wonder if there is a give up mechanism, unlike the green liquid

like I dont want to get enlightened, I will sacrifice myself for my son thing

[clever pike]

And is corruption the process of extracting bad memories from a body?

I don’t really understand

[floral mauve]

yea, and terrible mental state and miserable death

in religion, karma also involved, so reddit users are corrupted on average

[clever pike]

So just by extracting the black memories, a soul can become corrupted?

[floral mauve]

possibly

never told the odds

I think Laura Bob all got corrupted from that

and Dale? Well from Birthday experience, I think it was a black cube, then it got processed by the lake and reinstalled it

so I guess Dale is 50/50

so the conclusion here is

if u extract black cube from a person

83% of the chance of getting corrupted

[clever pike]

Ig it is explained in mill

[floral mauve]

its not 100% in the universe even though to mark its significance within the serie

mostly yes

[ebon aspen]

"Results" seems a heavy word considering how its only a possibility when the process isnt made correctly

[clever pike]

And I think the elixir may make someone immortal by enlightenment

[floral mauve]

indeed, thats why it isnt quite objective

I wish the wiki could include direct letters, which would be much helpful in terms of evidence searching

[covert wyvern]

well time to make an edit then;)

[idle raven]

someone knows if cube escape arles have any connection with the RL story at all?

if it adds something

[floral mauve]

It adds that Van Gogh knows hotel and commiting suicide does somehow worked for Van Gogh to escape his pain

[idle raven]

oh thanks

(go to study)

[floral mauve]

yes thats what I will do atm

[delicate atlas]

I also like to add that it shows how mental illness is connected to some degree with soul corruption

[azure bay]

the white one is confirmed to be David. What's more, I'm sure they are incarnations of the same person. The brown Rabbit died, as you can remember.

[flint iron]

Hello everyone, I have a question, look, Laura is William's reborn, right? Now it is, does Laura have her own mind, likes and deslikes, or it is all Willian?

[ebon aspen]

So far it doesnt seem that william's memories affected her life in that sense

(Not that we saw much about his likes and dislikes, but i never saw laura playing with alchemy and whatnot)

[flint iron]

Makes sense

[bright parrot]

We've only played as laura in seasons. The train game will reveal a bit about her past

[flint iron]

But in the end of Paradox, when we connect Dale and Laura's corrupted soul, are we connecting, to Dale, Laura's mind or William's one?

[ebon aspen]

We are connecting to laura's memories extracted in the mill and recovered in the cave

And none of those pertained to william

[flint iron]

hmmmm pretty interesting

never looked this way

[maiden pebble]

This one might be stupid but owl and crow were choosing between dale and laura to become their successor as laura said choose carefully one will be enlighted and one of us will die. Here enlighted by the sense of new successor?

And in paradox when we give Jacob/owl future mind he becomes the iconic fish of rusty lake so is owl when gets old becomes fish. I know that doesn't make sense

[ebon aspen]

well, becoming enlightened doesnt mean exactly becoming owl's successor, but yeah he does want an enlightened person for it
being enlightened presumably is fleeing from the samsara cycle of rebirth, but since we never really saw someone that attained this state we cant say for sure how the life while enlightened is
for me laura never got in the enlightenment line since she died right off the bat and mr owl started to invest in dale (but considering how samsara works, laura could get enlightened even after dying, but id still say its not what jakob is pursuing rn)
and as for jakob becoming the fish, it alludes to the samsara cycle too, since he is soon to be dead and will go thru the samsara room, so even if he doesnt properly rebirths as a fish, he will briefly become one while n the room, just like how it was for william

[azure bay]

@flint iron @ebon aspen
Laura's cubes were used to create the golden cube because they still contained William's memories about the elixir formula, as it was clearly depicted on a mural earlier in The Cave

@maiden pebble and I think he'll literally become a fish.

Samsara Room isn't a reliable reference. Most of it comes from the original 2013 uncanon version. We can't be sure the devs thought through an explanation how it fits into the lore

[ebon aspen]

wasnt it more of an hypothesis? since when crow fetched them with the submarine they didnt show anything regarding william's life

[azure bay]

There's not many storytelling tools to throw them away easily

Besides, other murals show pretty much reliable stuff

Speaking from the lor perspective, people don't normally remember their past lives

But they can recall them if they really try

According to TWD ARG

This fits into what we see: William's memories are so deep neither Laura nor Crow see them

[final atlas]

I have a theory that the Golden cube join the memories of two people.
Am i right?

[bright parrot]

What do you (everyone) know about character of grandma in paradise

Was she like was sophisticated or hygienic or smth

[flint iron]

@maiden pebble @ebon aspen @azure bay

I guess that what we can say for now is "more information needed"

why is this so hard

[azure bay]

For what?

@flint iron

[flint iron]

all this thing with William' reborn, Laura and her own memories and William ones, who is enlightened or not, and I guess, the hardest one, what the hell are Mr. Owl and Mr. Crow doing, I know I know, looking for a successor, but for what? was not they immortal? what they do beside just "feed the lake"

sorry for speaking too much, new in the sever and first time talking with people who know much more than me about this huge but amazing story

[azure bay]

William wasn't enlightened. Crow and Owl aren't immortal, no one is. The lake could either be a god with a mentality of an infant or the multiverse itself

[vague imp]

Yooooo

Theory time

What was the last theory about?

[flint iron]

I have a question, like, really, it is the immortality elixir, isn't it? so why they're not immortal?

[flint iron]

interesting point of view about the lake

[azure bay]

You'll laugh

[flint iron]

a lot of things hehe

[flint iron]

go ahead

[azure bay]

Because they are gradually pooping the elixir out

[flint iron]

this is insane, but makes sense

[vague imp]

Huh p a t h e t i c , I never pooped the elixir out

[flint iron]

better answer we have until now, so I'm just gonna agree

[hollow raptor]

https://tenor.com/view/cursed-emoji-gif-23173055

so in order to truly be immortal just stop pooping

[vague imp]

I personally believe that the elixir they've made is actually wrong, and that mr Owl is still trying to achieve it , it's suggested by him saying the golden cube is the key to the real elixir of eternal life.

[flint iron]

My idea was that they just get old in the human form, so to stay immortal they should stay in the animal one, but we have never had a prove or even a reason to why they would want to become old

[azure bay]

You see, the elixir works while its particles are inside the body.

But the dog is the best example to show how they leave the body.

And the extract means that they work again as soon as reconsumed

[flint iron]

genius

[azure bay]

I see no reason to introduce wrong and right elixirs. Plus, samsara is about constant death/rebirth cycle, even gods are mortal

Caroline's formula was also about the cube

And her elixir was created in the same way the golden cube was

Extracting elements from memory cubes

And yet Owl is no different to Crow

[vague imp]

Okay, but what about the golden cube why Mr Owl seems convinced that the golden cube is different

Maybe they need to extract from the golden cube not black ones

[azure bay]

We don't know if he is convinced

[vague imp]

Well, the way he talked to mr crow seemed to hint towards it

[azure bay]

His wording was "we need them for [...] the full elixir"

But the thing is, they have only a literally shitty extract

Extract isn't full elixir

It's a part of James' elixir

A fracture

But James' elixir could be full

If not a fracture of William's elixir

[vague imp]

Well technically speaking, it's most likely an extract of William's elixir

In rusty lake roots we're playing as William's CS ,

And he's the one who made the elixir for james

[azure bay]

I wouldn't attribute to William all the things the player does

For gameplay reasons

The story can go on without William in certain chapters

But never without the player

[vague imp]

Okay but if it's not William, and assuming we're playing as different persons, then who did make the elixir for James ?

[azure bay]

Why not?

In Theatre

We play as Dale

And we click on The Lady of The Lake

She bleeds

But that doesn't mean Dale hurt her

[vague imp]

Okay , so did James make the elixir on his own ?

[azure bay]

Using William's journal

[vague imp]

Okay another questionable thing about the serie that just came back to me

I agree we're certainly not playing as Williams during all the chapters of Roots

[azure bay]

(I mean we do but sometimes he's just watching)

[vague imp]

In fact we're not even William in some chapters

I'll give an example

If we're William's CS how is THIS even possible?

In fact , I believe that up untill this ☝️ point we're not playing as William

[azure bay]

Some CS are incorporial

William left his body behind

[vague imp]

W H A T

[azure bay]

And there was technically no body left for Caroline nor the guests

[azure bay]

Haven't you play the alchemy level?

[vague imp]

I thought that the CS always takes over body

[azure bay]

I repeat my question

Haven't you play the alchemy level?

[vague imp]

Wait which one ?

[azure bay]

Secret Roots level

[vague imp]

Oh Yeah I did

[azure bay]

Here u go

[vague imp]

Oh I get you

Okay

I completely missed it

[maiden pebble]

This one is just a small one but in paradox Harvey requests for bird food from Johnson's because Harvey used to eat it from Johnson's when it was in the cage in Laura's house. Laura used to get Johnson's food because Bob worked there. I know this is just for no reason and it is not like wow but still here it is just a simple thing

[azure bay]

it seems Johnsson Bird Food was a thing in 1930 already

fed by Frank in Roots

[stone bramble]

poor frank can never eat normal food

[azure bay]

fed, not eaten

[stone bramble]

OH

oh yee now I remmeber

I forgot harvey was the messenger bird

[zenith kernel]

HI! is Dale's grandfather really MR. Crow???

[azure bay]

he could be but it's not that clear

[zenith kernel]

Sure

[flint iron]

I have a theory about this

I am not totally sure about what happened while Dave was in the elevator, what I want to say is, I am not sure if the changes that he made when got into the cubes, like, do not let his parents die, really happened in the life of everyone or it just changed in his mind

If we consider that it only changed in his mind, MAYBE his grandfather is the crow but only in the memory, like, he is there exactly to do it, change Dale's memory, but he is not his owl in the truth life

[bright parrot]

If there is Ms. Pheasant (Lady of theatre) in current timeline (bob,dale,laura)
That means there must be other members of eilander family too

[fierce beacon]

descendants

[bright parrot]

Not descendants

Reincarnations

[fierce beacon]

i wouldnt know

[bright parrot]

Lady of theatre

Who was ms pheasant

Was Jakobs sister

[fierce beacon]

ive only played the cube escape series and samsara

[bright parrot]

(blind girl)

[bright parrot]

Then I recommend you to play all the games

[fierce beacon]

i would love to

which is why it sucks that i cant

[bright parrot]

Those games are worth every penny

[fierce beacon]

be good if i had a penny

[azure bay]

Have u played TPW?

[flint iron]

yes I have

[azure bay]

then you should know that cubes are ||real and the reality is a cube||

[flint iron]

okie dokie

so when you change something in a cube, you change the entire reality? or you are creating another reality's layer but this one with the changes made in the cubes?

[azure bay]

I'd say it's the latter

and I wouldn't call the outer layer the reality

[flint iron]

so we are not talking about multiverse? It is a single one that you can change by the cubes?

[azure bay]

I think we are

[flint iron]

nice

[azure bay]

it's just spread onto multiple levels

[flint iron]

that makes things easier to work with, in my opinion of course

[azure bay]

and also branches

[flint iron]

yep

@azure bay have you ever seen Life is Strange?

[azure bay]

Not really

[flint iron]

okay, do not worry, I would just make a parallel

[real lantern]

Im not sure if anyone commented on it, but @gloomy scarab over in #📼｜tpw-bkm-arg made me think.
How are we seeing harvey in his humanoid form if the future part of TPW happens a couple of years after hotel

[delicate atlas]

Yo

Achievement I guess

Hinting at something in a future game

[azure bay]

also there's no time in Rusty Lake

but yeah Harvey's song achievement doesn't really make sense

unless Harvey somehow regained such form after Dale's ascension

[ebon aspen]

I really dunno why it sounds so impossible

[azure bay]

asura Harvey died

Theatre and The Cave consider him an animal

[ebon aspen]

What couldnt have happened bts that makes it so crazy for harvey to be an asura again

[azure bay]

becoming asura is a big deal on its own

especially for an animal

the elixir didn't fully worked for the dog

also Harvey was a bird for centuries

why would that bts event happen so suddenly after so long?

[gloomy scarab]

What if it's the Harvey from the past who happen to travel to the future when he heard his song?

But then again Harvey never showed his human form in any game after that i believe

[azure bay]

I guess, Harvey can time travel

But usually it's for some purpose

Bringning a letter or a flower look like such

Bit why would Harvey need to go to 1984 from the time before Rose was even born?

[bright parrot]

I believe harvey or Mr. Crow they seem to time travel but in memories.
Also you can change memories (very minor changes) but yeah changes

Lets assume you and an another person X shares a memory

You both may remember it a bit differently

And if you discuss with X about the memory.
The information that is more dominant or accurate (or seems to be accurate) will be edited

Same is in RL

They are changing Dale's memory but slowly.

Its like inception but a bit more complicated.
Because you are unconscious in sleep

[azure bay]

Is it a guess or you have evidence?

[bright parrot]

It is a theory

And dale trilogy is evidence

[azure bay]

How is it evidence?

[bright parrot]

When dale passed the bday memory

He said

The lake is changing my memories

Which means that he is concious the memories are changed

And he still let them change

Because the new memories were more dominant
Edit- And dale accepted them because it made him happy

It is like having an embarrassed memory

And then a person changes that memory

[azure bay]

Baesian definition of evidence is the following

[bright parrot]

Then there is no evidence just a theory.

[azure bay]

If the event A is more likely to manifest when the event B did, therefore A is an evidence of B

Here I see no direct logical connection between the lake changing his memory and memory being unreliable

TPW indicates that the reality is ||also a cube floating around the lake|| and there's no one left to remember it after the ending

For now let's review 2 extremes

Memories rely on perspective like IRL

And memories don't rely on perspective unlike IRL

The 1st one would mean that cubes are a movie, like you said once

You can watch them from 1 person perspective and have no freedom

Or if you have some freedom, it's limited to your knowledge

But the level of freedom we witness seems higher

[bright parrot]

It is like a movie but everyone has different views for same movies and when you discuss you will get mixed reviews you may agree to some and may change your view for that movie/memory

[azure bay]

I see no one discussing. We usually have a single person giving away their cubes

[bright parrot]

Then there must be an origin.
Something like AOT

[azure bay]

What's AOT?

[bright parrot]

Its all metaphorical and symbolism RL hotel has many metaphors and symbols We may not know it

[bright parrot]

Attack on titan

[azure bay]

I'm speaking of Laura, of Bob and many other BKM and TWD patients

[bright parrot]

People in TWD are SUS
Like why were they there

[azure bay]

They could be a source of painful memories

They could be guinnea pigs for their experiments

At the same time they could've been being cured for real

My point is

There's no evident memory "discussion"

You take out the cubes

You use them

They contain an exact copy of the reality

And question the reality itself

[bright parrot]

Look

We don't know why they need cube

What was there before owl

We just know a process for extracting cubes

And that too just one process

There may be many other ways

[azure bay]

Usually to give to the lake. Sometimes for some knowledge.

[azure bay]

There was an old cube cult

[bright parrot]

Why to give to lake

[bright parrot]

Evidence? Did they take the cube same way?

[azure bay]

I don't think so. Likely they have a more crude way of extracting them. But they did know of their existence and offered them to the lake

[azure bay]

As the devs said, "the lake needs cubes and the cubes need the lake"

[bright parrot]

If all cubes are just floating in lake
That means we've not played anything real till now.
What we've played are episodes.
And that raises probability of world expansion

[bright parrot]

Evidence?

[azure bay]

We have old imagery of cubes

In Paradise and Case 23

In Paradise we even have an entire well for memory offering

[bright parrot]

If there was well in paradise and clara offered memories
Then it may be her island

And nicholas came

She is also the lady of the lake

[azure bay]

We know that the cult was there for a long time.

What we don't know is what it means to be the lady. Because Laura is one too

[bright parrot]

No listen to me
Clara's image in case 23 in file and her image in church
She has the title lady of the lake

[azure bay]

So has Laura

[bright parrot]

Laura is called "The Lady"

[azure bay]

According to the devs

[bright parrot]

That's confusing

[azure bay]

Sure it is

[bright parrot]

Her last name means from the tree

And vanderbooms started with a tree as a symbol of their growth

[azure bay]

How's that relevant ?

[bright parrot]

Idk btw when did the devs called her lady of the lake

Also clara is a witch (or was thought to be witch)

And that's why she was burned

Tied to a log

[azure bay]

They are not christian to burn witches

[bright parrot]

Idk but they have church there

[azure bay]

On the mainland

They have their proper Owl temple and a set pagan masks.

They would've been burnt themselves

[bright parrot]

Also during that time period
Only witches were killed like that.

Also her activities may make you believe she was

Actually that was my theory that she's a witch and her death is an evidence

[azure bay]

A weak one

Their activities are no different

[bright parrot]

She did sus things

[azure bay]

So did they

[bright parrot]

Extracted memories

[azure bay]

It's their duty

An object or their cult

[bright parrot]

During that time women were said to be witches if they were able to read

And yes she was in a cult.
She was smart

She was smarter than them all

She had the elixir

She's the oldest person we know that knew about elixir

[azure bay]

Dude, they are pagan sorcerers themselves. They do bloody sacrifices regardless

[bright parrot]

Though she never took it

[azure bay]

She did

In the very end of Paradise

[bright parrot]

With Jakob?

[azure bay]

Yep

[bright parrot]

But she was already dead

[bright parrot]

Additional note
I believe vanderbooms are also pagan sorcers

[azure bay]

Only Albert for that matter

The brothers were noble alchemists.

The rest were Christian

[bright parrot]

Also my theory of clara being a witch is good with proper evidence.
So what makes you believe that theory is wrong

[bright parrot]

We've not seen Religious influence in RL game (except funeral scene)
So does relegion make a difference?

[azure bay]

Maybe not for them but for the Eilanders for sure

Almost everything they did for for their religion

Vanderbooms didn't follow that path

[bright parrot]

How did caroline share elixir with jakob

[azure bay]

while they both were in a purgatory she extracted elixir elements from her memories, they reacted together and were spiritually (?) consumed

[plain token]

Quick question:Whose child is Laura

?

[rigid silo]

shes reborn william iirc

rose did the final process so i guess rose?

[plain token]

yea i know she isn’t biological anyone’s but technically rose?

[rigid silo]

id say so!

[plain token]

would that mean that rose is her father mother ,because of tpw

[rigid silo]

i havent played tpw yet :(

[plain token]

go play it then

i’d hate to spoil it to you

[high talon]

Single mother could also happen; it would've been taboo at the time, but it still happened

[plain token]

what i’m trying to say is that technically ||in tpw past and future rose brought albert back to life||

[high talon]

Yeah

[plain token]

so if we say that laura’s mother is rose then albert is rose’s son

[high talon]

lmao i mean; ig that would work but i think more so;

||Rose picked Albert's soul out from the afterlife if he had been reborn like Laura; well we would've seen a baby [like in Roots]||

||but we didn't so i just imagine she did some funky black magic stuff n brought back a literal corpse||

[plain token]

well yes||in tpw we “build” albert by putting the bones,fresh and blood but technically rose is her father’s mother||

[high talon]

I guess; technically

[plain token]

[azure bay]

I think she IS the biological mother

[plain token]

of who?

[azure bay]

Rose is

Laura's biological mother

[plain token]

what?

Could rose be considered laura’s biological mother?Well we know that technically she is the mother but biologically?

[azure bay]

1. Humans need vessels to be developed. Even Rose had a test tube of her own.
2. Rose was kept inside the clock while time was fast-forwarded (literally or just visually doesn't matter). That would be those 9 months required for such development.
3. Laura is a part of the family tree, according to Owl's big brain book from The Cave.
4. Laura is genetically a Vanderboom but not a Frankenstein monster. Otherwise her hair color would correspond Frank who sacrificed his hair for her.

[plain token]

ok

[high talon]

Asking for a friend; did we ever get the answer do why Dale fears fish?I know they are freaky bastards [looking at deep sea fish moreso] but like how'd it start?

[vague imp]

Theory: Robert hill is the founder of the hit game franchise rusty lake.

[delicate atlas]

Wait why

[delicate atlas]

<@&358613639554400258>

[real lantern]

.mute @vague imp 1h dont advertise

[sweet zephyr]

quantum_pro trader#0642 was muted

[real lantern]

Got the command wrong, woopsie

Thanks for the ping!

[delicate atlas]

No problem!

He posted in other channels too

[carmine field]

About that, I think it's more like that cube, or that reality, has been altered. We have a letter from Mr. Owl to Dale saying it would be the darkest day of his life, predicting the future. And we have a scene from Mr. Owl in 1966 while the memory itself takes place in 1939.

I think that the participation of Mr. Crow has been in the form of the grandfather; or rather, the grandfather took Aldous' looks and intuition in order to help Dale overcome this memory.

Harvey is also there.

I doubt that the grandfather's appearance has nothing to do with Mr. Crow, considering how detailed his look is.

[azure bay]

Have you played The Past Within?

[azure bay]

what other devine revelations do you have for us?

[covert wyvern]

if you don't have any actual theories to share just don't use this channel @golden reef

Yeah.

[azure bay]

just summarizing the games counts as theorizing considering how vague they are

that would be a good start

like what?

we have several plot lines

most of them support the major one

if you ask more specifically, I'll be able to understand your points of confusion and clarify them

what games have you played so far?

cube escape: the lake?

only these 4?

there are 16 of them in total

[analog yacht]

there is a story, you just haven't played enough to see it yet

[azure bay]

you play the games out of order and you started with the less story rich ones. No surprise you've got bored

Play Seasons

it's already well connected to The Lake and Harvey's Box

play Roots

4 cubes each about its respective season

[ebon aspen]

I think rxdy meant the voice chats

[azure bay]

something tells me, he won't come back :c

[ebon aspen]

Anyways, i recommend looking for the order in #📚｜resources or some other the server members tailored so you can understand the games better

[analog yacht]

Considering their bio, I somehow agree with you caw.

I had a theory when I came here but I forgot it now >.> Damn it

[covert wyvern]

I think that's enough speculating on individual users.

[covert wyvern]

here's to hoping it comes back to you.

[azure bay]

what was it about in general?

[analog yacht]

It was a half thought while I was writing an article but the moment I tried to focus on it, I lost it </3 ADHD brain failed me. Maybe I can spark it again by retracing my thoughts

Otherwise ig it's back to lurking

[azure bay]

maybe you can at least recall what games it was about?

[analog yacht]

likely seasons, since that was partly on topic

[azure bay]

was it about Laura?

[analog yacht]

Maaaaaaybe? Idk. My power just went out though, so I'll be slow :(

[azure bay]

I think all we need is to find the right association

some key word

was it about cubes?

[analog yacht]

I'm trying to think of a bunch of possible focus points but all questions that came to mind from them are ones I already know the answer to >.>

I wonder if I wasn't just briefly remembering a theory without getting far enough to get to the answer

[ebon aspen]

Just a reminder that theres no need to push yourself to remember the theory, if your memories belong to the lake now, dw overexerting yourself

[analog yacht]

The lake yoinked my memories </3

[ebon aspen]

if you remember about it tho, im curious now

[analog yacht]

XD

[azure bay]

As I already said today, any answer qualifies as a theory

[analog yacht]

It was likely something like blue cubes or Laura's death, an idle wondering if we have more concrete answers on those yet but no new game that could give us answers has come out yet

An update report, so to speak

[floral mauve]

oh btw

I need some sort of confirmation of an old rumor

someone mentioned that in the original old version of seasons that black cube was used in winter

[analog yacht]

I used to think it was a black cube cause it's such a dark blue, but I also used to play on a dinky phone on low brightness

[floral mauve]

ehm perhaps that guy was high

I personally never found anything

not even on the official 2015 april walkthrough

[analog yacht]

or colourblind /j

[floral mauve]

which is when the game itself got released

so it is unlikely that there is an version earlier than that

[azure bay]

it's black while inside the clock

the same wiggly animation that was used in Summer

but it's blue elsewhere

[carmine field]

Yep. And I've read some of your theories about it and I agree with them.

[carmine field]

😳

[azure bay]

so do you agree that memories follow the same laws the reality does?

[carmine field]

The 'reality' could be a cube itself

So yeah

[azure bay]

then it would be difficult for Crow to pretend to be Dale's grandpa without being questioned by the Vandermeers

@carmine field

[carmine field]

it would

That's why I think the grandfather may actually have acquired Aldous' looks and intuition somehow

even if there is not enough evidence

[azure bay]

what do you mean by intuition?

[carmine field]

He was the one who actually possessed and shot the gun

Not Dale

[azure bay]

yeah, so what's about the intuition?

[carmine field]

The intuition I'm talking about would be that of having to help Dale, nothing more, nothing less. He probably had a sense of what was going on too, considering he asked for the weapon right after time rewound, unless Dale said something to him that wasn't shown in gameplay

[azure bay]

I have a more simple explanation of what happened

[carmine field]

👀

[azure bay]

Dale with all his knowledge of what was coming just tried to warn everyone. And only grandpa was an adult cool enough to take him seriously.

"How did you know?" the father was asking.

We have another case of Dale speaking without us hearing. Apparently, in Case 23 Dale asked corrupted Bob for his memories and we found out about it only in The White Door when we took Bob's perspective

[carmine field]

That crossed my mind too

[flint iron]

really good point

I have a question for the good theorists, (yes I have played tpw) what exactly is the golden cube?

I remember that in The Cave we connect Dale's mind with Laura's corrupted soul (that there is nothing to do with Willian, that is what people have told me) and then we get a golden cube

also we have it in TPW, but we do not see how Albert got it

[azure bay]

On the contrary, there WAS something to do with William

One of the murals has clearly shown that Laura still has William's memories about his elixir formula

And the book shows these memories bearing the elixir insignia

Same for the golden cube

Therefore, I think that the golden cube is a form of elixir of life and death

Created using elements extracted from William's memory

Because in Paradise ending Caroline created her elixir using the same technique

And in her book the formula was meant to result also into a cube (a golden one, I presume)

Speaking of TPW, it doesn't fit the pattern

At least in a clear way

The golden cube was made there by ||focusing the energy from The Future into corrupted soul's hands||

Which feels cheap and undermines Owl's effort

Another side of golden cubes mentioned in The Cave book is being "a key to the future"

Previously I thought it was figuratively

It was in Caroline's case

Her memories didn't contain the future

But a mean to make this future happen

Jakob's future enlightenment

So I thought about golden cubes

Just an elixir

But in TPW ||the cube was literally containing the future just like the black one contained the past||

And even despite that, the golden cube can't be just called "the future cube" without breaking the lore

Because in Hotel Owl managed to get his hands on a normal white cube doing pretty much the same. Showing the future.

And it has no way to be retconned into being golden

Owl got his first golden cube only a century later

However I have a theory that would connect 2 known golden cubes and explain why one of them is so cheap

It's pretty much confirmed that ||future Rose is affiliated with Owl or his successors||

I think the was the one who researched the possibility of ||recording memories on a VHS tape actively monetized in Best Kept Memory||

Beacuse the metro game teaser ||we got as an ARG reward is implied to be her memories recorded on a VHS||

And Best Kept Memory promotes The White Door. They have to be affiliated

So the theory is that Rose used data Owl extracted to create the golden cube in The Cave

The very same memories of William

Assuming, they were preserved and stored somewhere in TWD

And Rose just ||sent them as an electrical signal into the past||

But I don't have much evidence to prove that

I'm still pretty sure that golden cubes are a form of elixir

Even tho TPW makes me somewhat doubt that

We'll see a golden cube again and maybe even sooner than one would think

And maybe this time we'll learn more

[plain token]

Does samsara room show rose lholding laura at the end?

[delicate atlas]

Yes

[plain token]

did like give us a leak

[covert wyvern]

Not really no

[plain token]

for the future as it says

[delicate atlas]

I think the past within confirms this

No wait nvm

I forgor

[covert wyvern]

Pretty sure roots did:)

[delicate atlas]

Yes

[plain token]

so this was only an aniversairy game and nothing more?

[covert wyvern]

This is just canonising Samsara room as Williams journey through samsara

[mighty flicker]

Ooooooooooo

[covert wyvern]

@plain token well Samsara room already existed

[delicate atlas]

Samsara room is after roots ending

Showing William becoming Laura

[covert wyvern]

It was just separate from the rl Universe, it was remade for the anniversary and made "canon"

[plain token]

can’t wait to get a million time stuck in roots

[mighty flicker]

The timeline is confuzzlung cuz I played em out of order

[delicate atlas]

That's fine

[covert wyvern]

It's confusing in order too

[delicate atlas]

There are some fanmade timelines

I like this one because it's straight forward

There are youtube videos on it as well

[mighty flicker]

I find it mental how I’ve actually played all of those

[plain token]

jesus

[plain token]

question:in roots or hell in some other rl games who the f do you play as?

[azure bay]

In Roots we play as William Vanderboom's corrupted soul

[plain token]

So that corrupted soul in cube escape is william?

[azure bay]

corrupted souls are numerous

anyone can be corrupted

there were at least 3 different CS in CE

[plain token]

is this like a maybe?

[azure bay]

I think it's very unlikely

because William is Laura

they are inseparable

and even if they were William wanted to live

[plain token]

so laura is the reborn william

[azure bay]

yes, the games were clear about that

[plain token]

if i’m not mistaken

[plain token]

so do we have any idea who could it be?

[azure bay]

the killer?

[plain token]

who?

[azure bay]

no, I'm asking who you mean

[plain token]

who the corrupted souls could be

[azure bay]

I'm telling you, there are at least 3 4 corrupted souls and likely more. Which one do you imply?

[plain token]

for example the one on the mil in cube escape

[azure bay]

excuse me?

you mean CE The Mill, don't you?

[plain token]

yes

[azure bay]

in CE The Mill it was clearly Laura

[plain token]

ok so there are way too many corrupted souls and they’re not all the same one

[azure bay]

certainly

[plain token]

hmm

do we know how this started

?

[azure bay]

started what?

[plain token]

this whole currupted soul thing

[azure bay]

it's natural

one of the 6 forms of samsara you can be reborn in

[plain token]

ok

so william got currupted then got reborn as Laura then she died and then she got corrupted too

[azure bay]

yeah

[plain token]

alright

[azure bay]

you've just partially retold one of the murals in The Cave

[plain token]

the cave?

[azure bay]

Cube Escape The Cave

[plain token]

yea i know but i didn’t get that one

[azure bay]

it explains a lot but currently I've been talking of one specific explanation it gave

[plain token]

which one?

[azure bay]

there are 4 murals on the 1st level

in the cave itself

they explain what happened and what will happen

[plain token]

oh that one

tje book

[azure bay]

not yet

[plain token]

the

[azure bay]

the murals

drawings on the walls

one of them is about the fate of the alchemist brothers

they made elixir

one died, was reborn, died again but preserved knowledge about making the elixir

the other became Mr. Crow

[plain token]

right

[floral mauve]

RL theory in Ohio

I was hoping that AI could assist in someway

I wonder how did AI form its version of seasons, did it really instantly create one to imitate RL style???

[ebon aspen]

It prolly looked at some walkthrus and found the patterns

And wait, ICE?

As in the mammoth???

[azure bay]

we've seen no ice on the mammoth teaser

but we had some in Paradise

[celest quail]

Is it maybe Called rusty Lake because of all the Blood that has been spilled for/in it?
Cause blood has that metallic taste and iron. It also has the properties that makes water become and stay red.

[ebon aspen]

Theres no official reason

Maybe the oxidation levels are high

Or bc the water turns red in some occasions

[high talon]

The hotels dirty water has to go somewhere ya know

[random dust]

cat's answer is more realistic

but ladyrhise's answer is also reasonable

hmm...

I agree with ladyrhise

[hardy terrace]

I mean considering what happens in the hotel, the dirty water might contain a lot of blood, making both theories correct

[random dust]

Perfect answer. 😄

[viscid pecan]

can someone tell me what's this?

[azure bay]

this is a stone that came from the ruined temple from Paradise

[viscid pecan]

oh i couldn't play paradise
what makes this stone?

[azure bay]

nothing lore-related

but there are several achievements

[viscid pecan]

i thought i found something new but it's nothing 😔

[azure bay]

you found it

it's rare on its own

[viscid pecan]

are there another things in the lake?

[azure bay]

yep

[viscid pecan]

except achievements

[azure bay]

except achievements and said rock there's Mr. Deer's corrupted soul

[viscid pecan]

i saw it at the bottom of the hotel

so these things mean nothing right?

[azure bay]

the rock seems to be a subtle teaser

Paradise came out next after The Cave

Mr. Deer makes sense

[viscid pecan]

yes i got it thanks my favorite character crow

[final atlas]

Guys, i know How to Go to the submarine in Cube Escape the cave without doing nothing in the cave

Better Go to the speedrun section

[real lantern]

Indeed it would be better in #🏃｜speedrun !

[final atlas]

Yea

Do anyone notice that mr. Boar's soul have some damn big teeth?

[azure bay]

Apparently all CS have such mouths

[final atlas]

Really?

I'd never notice

[azure bay]

they're seen only in most recent games

notably The White Door

[final atlas]

I've seen boar's teeth in the cave

[azure bay]

in The Past Within we have only 1 image passing by in a fraction of a second

[final atlas]

Can you show me?

[azure bay]

only TWD

TPW is a hell of fact checking

[final atlas]

Understood

[final atlas]

Man, that's a creep

[bitter pelican]

Who are those real people from Cube Escape paradox?

[covert wyvern]

kickstarter backers for the movie

[bitter pelican]

it makes sense

[bitter pelican]

so those creepy pictures were also sent by them?

[covert wyvern]

yeah

[bitter pelican]

crazy, they really fit the games vibe

[azure bay]

not all of them, I'd say

[covert wyvern]

haha im inclined to agree with nowhere here:) but I digress I don't think there's any theory to be derived from most of them.

[bitter pelican]

i mean the randomness of the images. In a franchise where you remove someones finger to get a key to open a door while a bunnyman is trying to kill you

average day in rusty lake

[azure bay]

funny you called Mr. Rabbit that name

I guess, Vandermeers had some meatballs in their pockets

[floral mauve]

swedish confirmed

[bitter pelican]

who

[azure bay]

he just didn't get the reference

[bitter pelican]

im poser

[azure bay]

you, on the contrary, should've get it

[bitter pelican]

so the mentalhealthandfishing site is also part of the bestkeptmemory?

[flint iron]

most likely

or they support each other

something like it

but they are connected, for sure

[azure bay]

sry, but this channel is about Rusty Lake lore

[covert wyvern]

It sure is!

[red yew]

Hey, is william james father?

[azure bay]

Uncle

that was clearly told

[red yew]

Ohhh, thanks

Sorry, sometimes i dont play as often, i can forget

[azure bay]

however William's brother Aldous could be

not confirmed yet

[red yew]

Ah i see

Where does the paradise family fall in all this?

[delicate atlas]

They were a cult and because of the rituals they did, the elder son, Jacob, became Mr. Owl

While the rest of the family became the hotel guests

The game itself reveals stuff about enlightenment and Mr. Owl's origin story

[red yew]

Ahhh theres mr owl

Yeah i tought that but some other member here told me the guests are other people with the same animals

[delicate atlas]

And the powers of the lake to an extent

[red yew]

But i also think it has sense they became inmortal too

[delicate atlas]

Too much of a coincidence for them to be the same animals but not same people imo

[red yew]

The only problem is the guests have their own life and plans and dont act like they know eachother

[delicate atlas]

They wore the masks so we know they're the guests

[red yew]

Yeah, the member said it could be the animals are like places to fill by different people

[delicate atlas]

Yeah might be a side effect of reincarnation

[red yew]

I think that too

Maybe but aldous remembers everything

[red yew]

Oh

[delicate atlas]

Also in paradox Mr. Rabbit (white rabbit that killed dale's parents) has a number in a phone book and his name is Eilander D.

Jacob's younger brother

[red yew]

Ohhhh

[delicate atlas]

Mr. Owl's younger brother

[red yew]

I forgot that yeah

[azure bay]

I explain it by different ways of ascension

[red yew]

Hm?

Cause aldous drank the elixir?

[azure bay]

Elixir vs. death of the firstborn

[red yew]

And the others made a ritual

Ohhh yeah

Could be huh

Maybe the ritual is less advanced

[azure bay]

also this means that Rabbit remembers something but it's fair to say it's not "the same" Rabbit we knew from Hotel either

another reincarnation, y'know

[delicate atlas]

Yes

Totally

Or my own personal theory that it's Brown's CS wearing a white rabbit mask

[azure bay]

It doesn't have to be a mask

[delicate atlas]

Fair

[red yew]

The thing is that one of the rabbits IS wearing a mask

Also, yeah, a “different itteration” is what that member said. Wich has sense cause theyre different rabbits i think

[floral mauve]

how do you know moment, I tend to agree but its true we cant be certain on that

[red yew]

Well, the murderer rabbit in birthday wasnt a mask, he had a rabbit head

But in paradox its a mask, you know but the shape and the live action pieces

Still the hotel rabbit and the birthday rabbit couldnt be the same person, they look different and rusty lake is NOT that careless with appereances for them to be the same person

[floral mauve]

live action is hardly an evidence, cuz budgeting and promote paradox film

[red yew]

Yeah i tought that but mr crow has a very realistic mask to act as having a crow head

[red yew]

Also go study, hehe

[floral mauve]

they sold a high price for dat

[red yew]

Might be but might also have an intention

Maybe cause its more of a memory than the real mr rabbit?

[plain token]

didn’t the rabbit in hotel die

?

[red yew]

Yeah that too

[plain token]

the simplest explanation

[floral mauve]

3k dollars worth but sold it 2.5k I think

[red yew]

To be honest if we didnt take the death they still are different rabbits

[red yew]

Woooh

[azure bay]

Birthday and Paradox it's literally the same manifestation of the character

If it's a mask, it's such in both cases

If it's not, it's not

[red yew]

That has no sense, theyre drawn different

[floral mauve]

...the style changes overtime

[red yew]

Thats what you could think but i still think it might have some symbolism

[floral mauve]

atmosphere remains the same

[red yew]

The live action rabbit has a very cartoony mask

[azure bay]

Every single character is drawn different in Paradox. It was a global redesign

[azure bay]

It's fan made

[red yew]

The parents were the same

[red yew]

Ohhhh

[azure bay]

Not entirely

[red yew]

For real?

[azure bay]

Most of TV footage is

[red yew]

Yeah but thats a small remake for having a more slender rabbit, i get it might have been done so he looks more scary but its still suspicious

[red yew]

Thats amazing, i tought it was from the paradox short film

[azure bay]

Things that don't feature Paradox actors are mostly fan made

[red yew]

Well i had no idea if it was the same actor, it had a mask

[azure bay]

It looked nothing like the movie

[red yew]

Well ok sorry, you sound angry

By the way guys, did you notice Samuel Vanderboom Stands like Harvey?

[bitter pelican]

It's funny how I literally don't remember half of the characters appearance by name

[red yew]

Haha, i dont either, i just recently made a little family tree to remember so im having a refreshed memory

Also!, we know william V is the blonde woman (i know her name i just cant remember now), in seasons she has a mental breakdown, and feels attacked by a corrupted soul that she recognizes as her own but also what murders her, could it be that as she dies, the corrupted soul, the true William and his intentions come out?

[hardy terrace]

there are different timelines right? like one where Laura's corrupted soul kills her (in that case it can also be William's), another where she survives ? (not sure about that one) and a third where it's implied that it's Dale's corrupted soul (again not sure) ?

[covert wyvern]

I personally do adhere to the multiple timeline theory

[azure bay]

I didn't. Next time I'll use an emoji.

[azure bay]

So does James, so does Mr. Deer, so does Mr. Rabbit.

It's funny to notice

[azure bay]

I wouldn't say it was deliberatly recognized as the murderer. It could be Laura just acknowledging her corruption.

Speaking of William, there are 2 things to know:

1. William wanted to live. So many people died, so much time was spent in preparation and all for the sake of abandonning everything and going back to square 1.

2. William IS Laura. That's how samsara works. You die, you change, you live again.

[azure bay]

I'd rather say, there's a timeline where Laura dies and Dale finds enlightenment and there's one personally created by Laura where she doesn't die.

[bitter pelican]

what? Is that explained? I dont remember that

[azure bay]

what is explained?

[bitter pelican]

william being laura. I thought they were different people wth

[azure bay]

they are. In some sense

William was reborn as Laura

it was his goal in Roots and Samsara Room

but I don't think Laura remembers much of her past life

normally people don't

[bitter pelican]

Do you know why Dale kinda remembers Laura's appearance?

in case 23

[azure bay]

what do you mean by "remembers appearance"?

[bitter pelican]

In case 23 he feels like he already met her before

iirc

[azure bay]

I don't remember that being implied and usually I remember things well

was in the 1st chapter opening?

[plain token]

Is this refering to laura or Emma?

[azure bay]

Emma died long ago and she's irrelevant for Dale's case.

then it's clearly a photo of Laura's house from Case 23

[plain token]

So laura

[plain token]

that’s right

[azure bay]

btw, you can see her there in Case 23. But for some reason I don't distinguish her on your screenshot

[plain token]

just saw the word suicide

i know that case 23 was about laura’s death

[bitter pelican]

I just checked it out and it actually happened in cube escape paradox

[azure bay]

There Dale told that he didn't know her - just another murder case

[plain token]

that’s where i got the screenshot from

[bitter pelican]

I thought it was implicit he knew her or something

[azure bay]

Feel free to check it

[bitter pelican]

I interpreted it this way because he is a detective, he should be used to murder cases
So the fact he kept wondering about that woman made me think he met her before somehow

[azure bay]

he was surprised too

[plain token]

nope

[azure bay]

"why can't I stop thinking about her? I don't know her, she was just another murder case"

[bitter pelican]

Exactly, why was he thinking of her if it was 'just another murder case'? He was probably an experienced detective already

[azure bay]

I don't get what you are confused by

yes, he's implied to be experienced

so what?

what's the problem?

[bitter pelican]

Because if he's used to investigating murder scenes, he shouldn't be thinking about one of the victims all the time if he never met her before. The way he said that implied it was the first time he kept thinking of an 'unknown' victim.
Was it just a coincidence?

[azure bay]

I think I get your problem now

his next assumption was "maybe case 23 is the key to escape my mind"

it was his intuition

[bitter pelican]

it makes sense

is original samsara room the first rusty lake game?

[covert wyvern]

By technicality but not really

[azure bay]

It was one of the earlier games of Maarten

It somewhat shares themes and imagery but isn't connected to Rusty Lake

[bitter pelican]

i mean the group rl

was it the first game made by the group itself?

[azure bay]

I'm not even sure if the group was a thing back then

[bitter pelican]

i see

[azure bay]

it's labeled Studio Maarten

maybe implying he was alone back then

[stone bramble]

for laura do you think she went to the white door or just strictly to the lake?

[azure bay]

There's a different institute at the lake

[stone bramble]

ah

[azure bay]

TWD existence was a surprise

[stone bramble]

yee cant believe mr owl is connected to 2 different mental health institutes lol

also a hotel and theater maybe

[azure bay]

I can. Different important locations require his attention

Also I think the hotel is a part of one of the institutes

[stone bramble]

oh yee tru

[azure bay]

And also there's a 3rd one

Best Kept Memory

[stone bramble]

omg the real estate mr owl has goddamn

anything for cubes

[knotty oracle]

Hi

[azure bay]

Hey

[knotty oracle]

Im looking for someone to play with

[azure bay]

That's not the right place

[knotty oracle]

Why?

[covert wyvern]

If you have the full game you’ll find a player 2 in the #🔍｜tpw-looking-for-player channel, if you’re using the lite or demo version you’ll find a partner in #🔎｜find-lite-partner.

[knotty oracle]

Ok

[bitter pelican]

Could BKM be part of the next game? It would be really cool

Or at least some references to it

[azure bay]

BKM seems to be late timeline stuff

Early 2000s

[bitter pelican]

I wonder what the next game will be about

future events or past events in details (like tpw or roots/paradise)

[azure bay]

Laura's life before and very probably during her trip to the lake

And metro

[real lantern]

God i hope laura doesnt live in new york, thats a 5 hour game where 3 of those hours is just waiting on the MTA

[azure bay]

Likely she does

[real lantern]

[bitter pelican]

gameplay: wait

[red yew]

LAURA!, THAT ONE, yes, jts implied all the rituals in roots are for bringing william into being reborn

[long smelt]

I have a question. If Jake consumed the elixir to become Mr owl. Then why couldn't he just keep drinking the elixir to become immortal like Mr Crow?

[ebon aspen]

Bc theyre not immortal

They do keep consuming the elixir, but that doesnt mean they wont die

Also, jacob didnt become mr owl via elixir, he was burnt by his family in paradise

[floral mauve]

Technically

Ehm

Nvm

[azure bay]

(and @long smelt ) and he would stay dead and be reborn as something mundane if not for his mother that caught his soul, made elixir using elements extracted from her memories and performed the 2nd ritual with it

Caroline's elixir formula

[long smelt]

Oh, this is so all confusing.

[azure bay]

the ending

[long smelt]

Okay.

[delicate atlas]

The meme in #🦞｜rusty-memes got me thinking

What are those hands

That always pop up and help?

Whose hand(s) is/are it/they?

[floral mauve]

there is a q&a related to this

all hands have their owners /belong to someone (I feel like it answers something but it didnt)

[delicate atlas]

Yeah it's still vague lol

Who are those mysterious people who just pop up and help.....

Are they dead or alive..

So many questions

Why do they even do that

What are they gonna gain from it

[bitter pelican]

Content for the next 10 games at least

[carmine field]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/cube-escape/images/0/0d/Timeline.png/revision/latest?cb=20210101102728

Is this official?

[delicate atlas]

Nope, it's fanmade

[carmine field]

Thanks

yeah it makes sense

[delicate atlas]

No problem

Only official order is in #📚｜resources

[carmine field]

same place?

these trees next to the cube are identical