By mental facilities
#🤔｜theories
bright parrot
analog yacht
yes... used to treat their declining mental health
azure bay
honestly, I can imagine Owl prescribing it them both for some plan's sake
bright parrot
That's what I wanted to hear
analog yacht
perhaps, but that still doesn't mean that taking a prozac will make your CS leave your body
bright parrot
Yes
bright parrot
perhaps, but that still doesn't mean that taking a prozac will make your CS leav...
It may mean that your mind will split in two and CS will try to free itself from the body
analog yacht
Owl might know that Prozac is ineffective for treating mental health, but it doesn't mean it causes CS
Again, causation vs correlation
azure bay
It may mean that your mind will split in two and CS will try to free itself from...
and minds don't usually split in 2 via medication
analog yacht
Exactly
bright parrot
Its a way of saying
azure bay
and I think they didn't. By medication or not
analog yacht
They might make up their own medicine for that instead
bright parrot
Split personality
Human and CS
analog yacht
Not split personality
bright parrot
And CS trying to free itself
azure bay
And CS trying to free itself
it contradicts its later actions
one doesn't kill a person to liberate itself and then say "f*ck go back" the very next second
bright parrot
Elaborate the "f*ck go back"
azure bay
Elaborate the "f*ck go back"
she kills Laura then she revives Laura
bright parrot
one doesn't kill a person to liberate itself and then say "f*ck go back" the ver...
First you must understand how a soul works according to Buddhism or Jainism
analog yacht
Time travel
azure bay
Laura's dead
phone+fuel=change the passt
bright parrot
Is that happened or will happen
azure bay
it happened. and created a new timeline
bright parrot
In which game
azure bay
Seasons
bright parrot
Btw I will tell you the soul thingies in DM if you're interested
azure bay
concerning mythology?
azure bay
yeah, why not?
azure bay
I consider seasons a memory like Bday
things inside cubes are as real as things outside them
or as unreal...
bright parrot
This statement questions reality
Rather than making cube feel real
Like saying
Water is as dry as floor
Which will make us question the dryness of floor
Its more of a riddle than an answer
azure bay
what I'm saying is that memories create their realities. And the reality is likely to be someone's memory
for people living in them there's no difference
bright parrot
Will you consider a recorded video a reality
Not like pure reality
It was reality
Now its just past
Same goes for memories
azure bay
please listen
bright parrot
Sure
azure bay
in Rusty Lake cubes are not just recordings
they are pocket realities
copies of the one around them
until altered
they can be modified
and their events may go in a different way
and their inhabitants think
and therefore exist
analog yacht
In TPW, ||we see that whatever happens in a cube is just as real as what happens outside of it||
analog yacht
even if a memory is altered, it's still real
"the past is never dead, it's not even past"
bright parrot
NPC consider their life also to be an altered memory
Just like
Its said when you die your life flashes infront of your eyes
So maybe this is the flashback
The reality of reality itself varies with perspective
bright parrot
even if a memory is altered, it's still real
Then its something like
Xmen Days of future past
analog yacht
I don't know what that is
bright parrot
Sorry I went all Wordplay but here's my final ans
And its something different
azure bay
Then its something like
Xmen Days of future past
nope, it's more like the 1st half of Avengers Endgame
bright parrot
Sorry I went all Wordplay but here's my final ans
And its something different
So listen
The cubes aren't real they are just to show us some things
Like black cube shows bad memories
White shows good memories
And blue shows how would you have changed your memories
azure bay
But yeah that'll work too
these are different
bright parrot
And blue shows how would you have changed your memories
Like we all do in shower thinking how we would have dealt with bully
azure bay
So listen
The cubes aren't real they are just to show us some things
you can place material objects inside cubes and take material objects out
bright parrot
these are different
Going to past to change future
bright parrot
you can place material objects inside cubes and take material objects out
Evidence
analog yacht
case 23 had an example, didn't it?
azure bay
Going to past to change future
endgame doesn't change the future
bright parrot
That's why I picked Xmen
azure bay
endgame better describes RL
bright parrot
Then make it endgame
azure bay
So do you believe all cubes are like the one in TPW
see no reason for them to be any different
analog yacht
mainly cause other examples don't understand the cubes as thoroughly
azure bay
We don't get that much influence from outside
the cubes are still the same
introducing a new "real" cube would be against Occam
bright parrot
The devs expanded their horizon in TPW
bright parrot
introducing a new "real" cube would be against Occam
Occam is not always true
By new "real" cube
You mean something diff6
azure bay
a new entity never seen before
bright parrot
Then that will be schrodingers cat
azure bay
what will?
bright parrot
The new cube
It may or may not be real
At the same time
Just like every RL game
azure bay
wdym?
bright parrot
RL games follow
Schrodingers cat
More than occams razor
The reality may and may not be real at the same time
Now wheres my nobel prize LOL
analog yacht
shrodinger's cat suggests that both possibilities are equally likely, not that it could be one or the other
bright parrot
Edited
analog yacht
also, fun fact, schrodinger's cat wasn't a proven concept, but rather schrodinger poking fun at people who think like that (roughly paraphrased)
irrelevant to the case, but I find it funny
azure bay
Occam's Razor is about evaluating possibilities. Schrodinger's cat is about quantum superposition.
The 1st you can use to analyze things the other is just a thought experiment
there are ambiguous things in Rusty Lake
but it's not because of quantum physics
azure bay
it's not a fiction trope
bright parrot
Where I don't know much about occams razor
I just read about it on google
azure bay
nor is Occam's razor
bright parrot
It just came in suggestion
analog yacht
the point is that the two are unrelated to each other
covert wyvern
It's okay to abstain / not bring up discourse surrounding concepts you don't grasp.
bright parrot
But I am questioning reality in game
Coz inception types thingies are happening
In the game
You don't know if Paradise was past or present of that time
It may be a story
analog yacht
thing is
it's a surreal game. The line between dream and reality is supposed to be blurred
bright parrot
Narrated to someone
analog yacht
it was never supposed to be clear what part was reality and what part was fabrication
bright parrot
And that explains the statement made by
Nowhere crow
That cubes are as real as reality
analog yacht
so we can assume that the entire game is a warped reality, whether within a cube or outside of it
bright parrot
Maybe a paradox of some sort
azure bay
That cubes are as real as reality
it doesn't. The narration should also exist inside a cube
bright parrot
What do you consider real(present) and what do you consider a memory
The incidents
And explain me occams razor in DM plz
azure bay
What do you consider real(present) and what do you consider a memory
everything.
But to put it simple I consider all real
hollow igloo
Schrödinger’ cat states that, if you have a box with a cat inside with a chance of dying of exactly 50%, and the box is closed, until you open the box the cat is simultaneously dead and alive. Not either or with the same probability, but both simultaneously. The thing is that you can’t really talk about quantum mechanics for a cat, since a cat is too big, and quantum mechanics works well for small particles, thus solving the paradox.
So, maybe you can apply it to the reality in cubes by saying that the reality in cubes is both real and unreal at the same time, until you look inside them. This doesn’t really contradict Occam’s razor.
azure bay
Schrödinger’ cat states that, if you have a box with a cat inside with a chance ...
it was about particles splitting and poisoning said cat
or not splitting
hollow igloo
Yes, exactly, that’s the way you kill the cat
azure bay
still can't?
lost thorn
Pardon me if I'm wrong, but isn't the method done with explosives with chemicals and not poison?
azure bay
chemicals are poisonous
lost thorn
Nevermind then..
hollow igloo
I think it was thought with radioactive particles decaying and then doing stuff. Doesn’t really matter how, but it has to kill the cat somehow. That’s the important thing.
hollow igloo
Exactly
covert wyvern
Ye basically what Jack said lol sorry
lost thorn
Ah okay!
I don't know if this was stated before in this channel.. What if the black cubes always had to do with corrupted souls and not just a bad memory?
The book in cube escape the cave show the black cube with two white eyes and describes it with "face your demons". What if the demons in question are actually the corrupted soul itself!
And only once you defeat that soul it turns into a white cube.. Just as it happens in cube escape birthday!
lost thorn
True
hollow igloo
The hotel guests’ souls are literally the cubes.
azure bay
and pain also creates black cubes
lost thorn
But not all black cubes have corrupted versions of the owner!
azure bay
The hotel guests’ souls are literally the cubes.
later on they are separated
azure bay
But not all black cubes have corrupted versions of the owner!
I mean you arguably corrupt when you are overwhelmed by black cubes
hollow igloo
later on they are separated
Most likely, yes
lost thorn
Doesn't it have to be extracted first?
azure bay
Doesn't it have to be extracted first?
nope
we have William, Albert, The Guests, Bob
Caroline still has something of herself left
hollow igloo
Every case is very much unique.
hollow igloo
Maybe there is a common base. The idea of having memories removed somehow could be that base
azure bay
I theorized there's something even more general
like strong negative emotions
but William is a stretch
and Albert...
hollow igloo
Not meaning that memory loss cause instant corruption
azure bay
Not meaning that memory loss cause instant corruption
still doesn't apply the most of Vanderbooms
hollow igloo
I would say that CS can be created basically in two ways: by memory loss or with the elixir.
azure bay
I'd rather attribute Caroline, the guests and the drowned from The Lake to pain or desecration
and also becoming richer makes you corrupted as well... Sometimes... Somehow... (jk)
hollow igloo
If the creation of a CS is a direct consequence of the elixir, that would explain William without taking pain in consideration. Still we know nothing about William, so pain is still possible
lost thorn
we have William, Albert, The Guests, Bob
The guests had a black cube in their prisons, indicating they got extracted or removed from them. Bob only became corrupted in his dreams and later in the facility when the professionals showed that dream in their own screens.
||Albert underwent a weird ceremony inside a black cube memory inside a strange device.||
William was not in the physical realm as he was only able to interact and communicate with Rose through voodoo.
And Caroline was shown to have had her cubes scattered physically.. Implicating that what she underwent resulted to memory extraction.
azure bay
If the creation of a CS is a direct consequence of the elixir, that would explai...
and will completely ignore all the other cases
azure bay
The guests had a black cube in their prisons, indicating they got extracted or r...
the cubes were not removed. They were cubes at that specific moment
hollow igloo
This is why I said it’s just one of two possible ways to obtain a CS.
azure bay
Bob became corrupted up to 3 times
hollow igloo
At maximum, yes
I think pain is to be taken in consideration
Like, mental instability making you more suitable to become a CS.
lost thorn
the cubes were not removed. They were cubes at that specific moment
But it still involved the black cubes.
azure bay
But it still involved the black cubes.
because CS are generally related to the cubes
extraction or not
lost thorn
because CS are generally related to the cubes
Ah so I was right!... According to you at least!
hollow igloo
Basically every character becoming corrupted not via the elixir has some sort of mental pain. Given how mental health is a theme in RL, it’s very likely to be a thing.
azure bay
Ah so I was right!... According to you at least!
well, I see CS as blobs of pain. And black cubes cause pain
lost thorn
And defeating that soul is the only way to turn the black cube into a white cube!
hollow igloo
well, I see CS as blobs of pain. And black cubes cause pain
I like the blob
Sound effects are very clear on that
azure bay
And defeating that soul is the only way to turn the black cube into a white cube...
it's usually about changing memories or attitude to them
lost thorn
well, I see CS as blobs of pain. And black cubes cause pain
Aren't the cubes supposed to be the roots of fears instead?
azure bay
Aren't the cubes supposed to be the roots of fears instead?
these are memories. If you happen to have their cubes you are free to enter and change them
lost thorn
Memories related to fears..
azure bay
Memories related to fears..
which can be defeated
lost thorn
By getting over your fear!
azure bay
but not necessarily by getting over your CS
lost thorn
Not the corporal corrupted soul...
But you could get over the one residing inside the black cube!
azure bay
black cubes don't create souls on their own
cubes can be part of souls
but not the other way around
usually cubes are just cubes
oh
OOOH
lost thorn
black cubes don't create souls on their own
But within them they reside.
azure bay
But within them they reside.
not necessarily
we've got a ton of CS existing without cubes
lost thorn
not necessarily
We haven't seen a black cube that didn't have a corrupted soul inside..
azure bay
OOOH
@hollow igloo could it be that in Hotel the guests were exploring their own memories Laura/Dale style?
azure bay
We haven't seen a black cube that didn't have a corrupted soul inside..
what do you mean by having a soul inside?
lost thorn
The memory has to have a corrupted soul inside it as a demon or fear you need to face!
azure bay
I can recall 25 cubes not having any sort of CS inside them
lost thorn
Wow! There are that many!?
azure bay
The memory has to have a corrupted soul inside it as a demon or fear you need to...
the demons are inside you, not your cubes. You are your demons
lost thorn
the demons are inside you, not your cubes. You are your demons
The demons reside deep inside your brain and your memories.. They are inside the cubes.
azure bay
The demons reside deep inside your brain and your memories.. They are inside the...
demons are you, corrupted soul (singular) is you
an alternative you at most
from another timeline that is
but still, it's you
lost thorn
And the cubes are your memories, where your demons reside.
azure bay
evidence, please
lost thorn
Only when those demons overcome you, you become the demon.. The corrupted soul.
azure bay
I did, don't worry
lost thorn
Ah okay!
After Bob Hill (tw) ||shoots himself|| the player can enter his brain. Inside the brain, the player can find white cubes and a black cube, which are inside the brain of Bob. It may not be a direct line of reference but it may as well suggest that the cubes and the memories are one and the same...
lost thorn
The cave
azure bay
How to mark spoilers on Android
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lost thorn
Cube Escape : The cave.
There is a book that describes the black cube. The black cube has two holes that look similar to the eyes of the corrupted soul. The book describes the black cube stating that you face your demons.
The black cubes contain your demons!
azure bay
double
azure bay
The black cubes contain your demons!
what are demons?
bright parrot
Maybe she means CS
lost thorn
The phrase of "face your demons" is usually a phrase associated with overcoming your fears.
azure bay
ok, fears in cube
lost thorn
what are demons?
They are the fears of the owner of the memory.
Perhaps a representation of what the fear is.
And killing the corrupted soul might mean overcoming your fears!
azure bay
how did you make a leap from fears to corrupted souls?
lost thorn
Two reasons!
The first reason is that the book in the cave has a black cube drawing with two holes in the middle that look just like a corrupted soul's eyes.
The second reason is because I've observed a connection between corrupted souls and black cubes. All black cubes have had corrupted souls inside those memories in the black cubes.
azure bay
and now please listen to me
lost thorn
Of course!
azure bay
did you learn the lesson of Theatre?
6 plays
about the past, the present and the future
lost thorn
Not exactly..
azure bay
all six plays are about the past, the present and the future at the same time
about 6 stages of the wheel
what wheel?
Samsara wheel
hollow igloo
<@753603655499776132> could it be that in Hotel the guests were exploring their ...
Wdym specifically?
azure bay
Wdym specifically?
they are separated but they still kept together in a tank and just enter their own cubes
azure bay
Not exactly..
it's about your soul being reborn in different forms
CS is one of them
so CS is you
lost thorn
But.... Isn't that what applies to William? A character that is a corrupted soul outside of memories.
The corrupted souls I talk about are not the ones outside the cubes.. Only the ones inside.
azure bay
But.... Isn't that what applies to William? A character that is a corrupted soul...
it's a corrupted soul with memories. They stay with him after death, after rebirth and another death until extracted from Laura alongside her new memories
lost thorn
I..... See
azure bay
Laura's cubes still contain his memories about elixir
that's why they were important in The Cave
depicted on the mural
and in the book
lost thorn
I understand what you say. However, what I am trying to convey is that those black cubes and dark memories have corrupted souls inside them as a means to show that it is something you need to defeat to overcome your fears.
You might becomes corrupted in real life because of the black cubes, but those black cubes themselves have corrupted souls that are representations of your fear.
azure bay
A corrupted soul is a soul that went corrupted and is unable to be reborn. Basically, a ghost.
azure bay
in Rusty Lake memories are as real as the reality. It was confirmed recently
and hinted at since the beginning
floral mauve
A corrupted soul is a soul that went corrupted and is unable to be reborn. Basic...
I mean it is a form still, which means it can die, so if it dies, will it reborn?
azure bay
I mean it is a form still, which means it can die, so if it dies, will it reborn...
it's just reborn at some point
at least originally
azure bay
they are separated but they still kept together in a tank and just enter their o...
@hollow igloo so what do you think?
floral mauve
I mean its possible
hollow igloo
<@753603655499776132> so what do you think?
It’s an interesting take for sure, so anyone entering a memory literally gets inside
Never though about it this way.
The thing is, why do they get out?
azure bay
disturbed by Harvey having a look?
azure bay
It’s an interesting take for sure, so anyone entering a memory literally gets in...
I think that would be unique for souls. In Nicolas' case only his mind went into the cube he had
hollow igloo
Can an interaction of that type interfere?
Hold on, they don’t really get out
Maybe you just see them by looking at the cubes
azure bay
no idea
hollow igloo
I think that would be unique for souls. In Nicolas' case only his mind went into...
So it’s like a spiritual thing, like it’s just the soul entering. And since CS have just the soul, they literally get in
floral mauve
So it’s like a spiritual thing, like it’s just the soul entering. And since CS h...
omg same thought
hollow igloo
And by looking at the cubes, for a moment you see the soul inside.
bitter siren
Grandma Eilendeer is Ms Pigeon?!!!! Doesn't make sense, 'cuz Ms Pigeon is a scientist 🥴
bitter siren
Why does this heart-operated working grandfather clock keep ticking from 5:40 and onward?
Who is the deer? The father of Eilendeer?
What do we know about this iconic fish of Rusty Lake? Appeared in THE CAVE's secret achievement
ebon aspen
Dont quite get your question about the clock
Yes, the person using a deer mask is nicholas eilander
About the fish, not much thats relevant
azure bay
Grandma Eilendeer is Ms Pigeon?!!!! Doesn't make sense, 'cuz Ms Pigeon is a scie...
new life, new memories, new personality
bitter siren
Why does this heart-operated working grandfather clock keep ticking from 5:40 an...
What I meant is that the clock stuck at 5:40, what does it mean? Seems pretty specific
bright parrot
Maybe not
azure bay
What I meant is that the clock stuck at 5:40, what does it mean? Seems pretty sp...
I think it's just easier to have some sort of starting point than keeping track or the clock working constantly
bright parrot
Crow you there
azure bay
0_o
bright parrot
Ahoy mate
Happy Thanksgiving
Coming to some theory
If cubes do exist in real life
And they || look like shown in tpw cumputerish||
They why haven't we seen a single other cube like it
Just plain black cubes
And white
azure bay
hi, the computer is ||just a device, the cube is inside it||
bright parrot
hi, the computer is ||just a device, the cube is inside it||
||So that's how they use the cube||
Which means every cube is a memory
And blue cube is also a memory
azure bay
And blue cube is also a memory
that statement is debatable
bright parrot
We are sure that Bday is a memory
azure bay
and Seasons are memories
bright parrot
Same I think of Seasons
Maybe seasons is the memory extracted from laura in "the mill"
azure bay
not all of them
at least winter takes place long after The Mill
I think all the cubes seen in Seasons were last seen in The Cave
azure bay
There are 4 cubes till now
Black white blie gold
the golden cube was taken by Dale. Laura's cubes and the blue one were left behind and could be stolen by Laura
azure bay
Then how is it a memory for sure
before TPW I was sure it was a memory created after extraction. A memory belonging to corrupted Laura
now an old idea resurfaces
Winter could be a continuation of extracted memories
at the time one would say "simulated"
now I'd say "an independent timeline captured in a cube"
still not sure which approach I prefer
bright parrot
the golden cube was taken by Dale. Laura's cubes and the blue one were left behi...
Maybe they cube are useless after they formed a golden cube.
And what will laura do with cubes
azure bay
Maybe they cube are useless after they formed a golden cube.
And what will laura...
I don't think so
the golden cube is a form of elixir
the only thing that could be rendered useless would be elixir memories
and technically they were never about Laura
so her memories would be safe
Laura will enter cubes
Like Dale
bright parrot
Lets check everything in sequence
- How is winter memory of Laura is present
- How is Laura's body "alive" after her death
- Lets assume Laura stole the cubes what will she do after them
azure bay
- Winter is either a memory of Laura's soul created in 1981 or it's what happens after her death inside the cubes
- She's corrupted
- Either researches them and creates a machine before entering them or enters them right away, relives her past life, lives on past her death (still corrupted) and only then creates the machine in 1981
bright parrot
Here's my theory on Seasons
The incident till the mill is true memory
And the winter is a fake memory
Which is created to make her feel like
She had a complete life
And thus a blue cube
Signifies messing up with time
Laura was kept as prisoner after the mill
And is seen in cave
azure bay
if memories are real then fake memories are real as well
bright parrot
Memories are memories
azure bay
Laura was kept as prisoner after the mill
seasons don't happen at all if she stays there
bright parrot
I am just using words to differentiate them
bright parrot
seasons don't happen at all if she stays there
She was in her room till the mill incident
Tell the date of mill
azure bay
haha, this timeline is weird
Laura is stolen in 1971
but her memories were extracted in 1972
then she escaped
then recaptured
and kept in the white cube at the lake bottom
bright parrot
Laura is stolen in 1971
Stolen?
bright parrot
In seasons
azure bay
in Case 23
azure bay
what's so weird?
bright parrot
Even without this theory
Drip like thingies
And it looked imperfect
Like its made
Just feels odd
azure bay
Then maybe she ran from crow
of course she did
azure bay
And then they got her
nope, Winter is the furthest point in Laura's timeline
Dale's arc long completed
bright parrot
Character building arc is completed
Now's the character development arc
Or maybe something else
There is more to dale
His game may be the last game of RL
bright parrot
We don't see dale in seasons
But many incidents are before her "death"
Seasons is altered
Just like Bday
azure bay
I mean, I see no reason in speaking of Dale in the context of Seasons other then he's Laura's past
bright parrot
One more thing about your time travel theory
There is no time travel in RL
As in seasons
When we jump in times
Our Inventory also changes
But if it was a time travel
Inventory must be same
azure bay
Inventory must be same
maybe but that doesn't really matter
bright parrot
I mean, I see no reason in speaking of Dale in the context of Seasons other then...
Dude he's the detective of Laura's death
We neither saw her death
Nor the investigation
In seasons
Death is as important as birth dude
bright parrot
maybe but that doesn't really matter
Thats time travel bud think about it
azure bay
Death is as important as birth dude
we see its aftermath in fall
and that's all that matters for her resurrection story
bright parrot
We see the results in winter
But why not her death from her perspective
This is a loop hole for me
azure bay
But why not her death from her perspective
to keep it mysterious
to make Dale unsure whether it's murder or suicide
to make the player unsure about that
bright parrot
Then it may be patched in the new train game
azure bay
or may not
bright parrot
All we can do is hope
analog yacht
Wouldn't be much of a mystery game series if we got all the answers from the start
bright parrot
But today we came to an important conclusion after a long time
That there is no time travel in RL
azure bay
All we can do is hope
all we can do is gathering evidence and theorizing and that's exactly what the devs want from us
bright parrot
Sup cass
azure bay
That there is no time travel in RL
there is in Birthday
bright parrot
Its a memory
azure bay
and memories are real
bright parrot
You can become ironman or thanos in memory
azure bay
You can become ironman or thanos in memory
you can't
bright parrot
Memories are like dreams
azure bay
Memories are like dreams
memories are copies of the reality
bright parrot
Just with a conscious mind
azure bay
just play TPW
bright parrot
Waiting for my friend 🙃
Or maybe someone who hasn't played till now
Someone I know
covert wyvern
#🔍｜tpw-looking-for-player is always available.
azure bay
Waiting for my friend 🙃
then please, look at the situation. You clearly know that you miss some crucial information. And still you are trying to make conclusions.
Rationalist's way is gathering all the evidence 1st and only then reflecting on it.
bright parrot
Fine
azure bay
@floral mauve Since we know that Rose is alive, how do you think the crate got into the lake?
floral mauve
<@586283377691197440> Since we know that Rose is alive, how do you think the cr...
who said she is alive unless u assume tree counts as alive
I believe she dropped the crate just before she entered the loop
assume she knows that something is gonna happen
azure bay
I believe she dropped the crate just before she entered the loop
forget the loop, it contradicts the ending of Roots.
I'm speaking of her 1984 version
floral mauve
I mean we have to confirm two cases
first is she did make it in 1984 which I believe she did but there arent much more direct evidence before the release of Metro
second is that I forgot what I was gonna say
azure bay
first is she did make it in 1984 which I believe she did but there arent much mo...
the thing is, she left the lake early
floral mauve
yea
I believe her lab is located around the lake or has some sort of connection, or in fact, she dropped the crate after Laura is independent
could be many cases
imagination
fan fic is always an option
azure bay
I have a different thing in mind
floral mauve
we just dont have much insight before the news of the Metro
azure bay
but 1st I'll drop some messages in TPW
@floral mauve so there's another candidate
who has evidence of visiting Rusty Lake
it's Laura
in 1969
I think it could be her disposing old memories
including those made in New York
actually
pretty much all of them except for 1 should originate from NY
considering she moved there in infancy
floral mauve
thats a good one
ur story makes more sense than the original prediction I made
though I am still saying that I got the childhood trip prediction right UwU
azure bay
even the timepiece has to be broken there since we see it still being with Rose while she was raising Laura
floral mauve
so did Laura fight with Rose and broke the timepieces or accident
azure bay
no idea. My thoughts were about breaking it accidentally like kids usually do
floral mauve
when I was little, I broke one expensive jade decoration in my home by accident
its was worth like 1200 euros something
so I do get the feeling but my parents didnt blame me much and just throw the broken pieces
i guess golden time piece is more important
even its broken
it resembles Rose's past
azure bay
not sure anymore if Rose would be upset about it
floral mauve
she is surely upset if she knows that Laura died
she should know
we have to make some predictions of next game
why they no longer close
azure bay
I was speaking about the timepiece
floral mauve
I know
azure bay
initially I thought that it breaking caused them parting ways
now I'm not sure anymore
floral mauve
initially I thought that it breaking caused them parting ways
I dont think thats the reason but its foreshadowing
it has to be some sort of foreshadow
I predicted that it either Rose died or as you said, they arent close anymore
azure bay
so, the conclusion
maybe wishful thinking but we will probably see Laura's trip in details
(or could it be Mr. Crow disposing evidence before Case 23?)
floral mauve
(or could it be Mr. Crow disposing evidence before Case 23?)
bruh
u just ruined the entire experience
sad
azure bay
u just ruined the entire experience
hope for the best, be prepared for the worst
red yew
Apart from that i just noticed ||the eilander family are the guests at the hotel, this would mean that the daughter, being the faisan, killed herself, and i cannot think that wasnt for a bigger meaning||
ebon aspen
You mean how in hotel shes the one that pulls the trigger?
azure bay
Apart from that i just noticed ||the eilander family are the guests at the hotel...
If you see said meaning, please share it with us
red yew
If you see said meaning, please share it with us
Maybe she didnt really like this inmortality
azure bay
Maybe she didnt really like this inmortality
I have a bir different conclusion.
The guests are the same entities but different persons.
Like Laura is and isn't William at the same time
azure bay
oh
OOOOOOH
There was no 3rd child of Margaret!
or...
was it?
"only brother I had"
damn... he could've got a sister
red yew
I have a bir different conclusion.
The guests are the same entities but differe...
Oh yeah, maybe its the same animals for everyone, thats why the mothers protagonist from the eilander was sacrificed as the owl too
azure bay
Oh yeah, maybe its the same animals for everyone, thats why the mothers protagon...
I don't get your assumption
red yew
In rusty lake Paradise the mom of the protagonist was sacrificed and then when a memory of her appeared she always had an owl mask
red yew
You mean they are the same entities but different people and that would have sense, the eilanders took that place at some point and then the mr owl and hotel guests we now know
azure bay
by entities I meant same souls
by people I meant personalities
Jacob did become Owl
and Elizabeth did become Pheasant
but that doesn't mean that she remembers her past
because it could be considered a new life
new incarnation
red yew
Mr crow and mr owl have always had the same plans, as humans and as inmortals
azure bay
Mr crow and mr owl have always had the same plans, as humans and as inmortals
they had elixir
I think that's what preserved their personalities
Eilanders didn't
bitter siren
I noticed that the man who always managed to row across the river sank in PARADOX intro
azure bay
I noticed that the man who always managed to row across the river sank in PARADO...
he used to sink every time
except Roots and Paradise
since The White Door he ceased doing so
then we have most of the old intros updated
bitter siren
I've been waiting for this animation to pass, while also preparing for an unexpected jump scare 😂
I will put this thought on hold first, I will get back to this after I've played all intro and compared them
Thanks 👍
azure bay
it's next to nothing to compare really. We have Paradox, we have Roots-Paradise, we have The Past Within and we have all the rest
azure bay
I will put this thought on hold first, I will get back to this after I've played...
here's some artifact from the past. The very 1st version of the intro
no sound even
wind axle
I noticed that the man who always managed to row across the river sank in PARADO...
Wait what the heck, i don't remember this from paradox??
For me he always rowed
azure bay
Wait what the heck, i don't remember this from paradox??
For me he always rowed
believe me, he drowns
azure bay
how long have you been playing these games?
robust fox
I noticed that the man who always managed to row across the river sank in PARADO...
I feel like I'm being gaslit rn. I have no memory of that happening
azure bay
I feel like I'm being gaslit rn. I have no memory of that happening
He used to be drowning in most of the intros
all cube escapes and Hotel
that was before 2020
in 2020 the intro was changed
and used in updated cube escapes and Hotel
Paradox is the only game with that intro that didn't require an update
hence the old intro
robust fox
He used to be drowning in most of the intros
Ah, I see. That makes sense since I got into the games in 2020. Probably played a few cube escape ones but I was too young to process anything
azure bay
But the life elixir was also sketched out by caroline eilander
She kept it from everyone except Jacob
azure bay
the others asked the lake for enlightenment
south imp
Hi guys just sharing a theory of bekaroth-reads I fond on tumblr
|| "What if Aldous lied and said he made the elixir, but it was really just poison? And, he became immortal because killing William was the final step of the rituals he'd been performing in secret and just needed to have the death of the first born. That's also why it killed James." But, then I was like, "Crap, forgot about the dog". ||
covert wyvern
no need to spoiler tag it here but thank you for sharing:)
azure geode
Why are the screen's edges curved?
stone talon
Why are the screen's edges curved?
Think about it, our eyes don’t show square visions, they show us what we can see using our circular eyes
And we’re playing in 1st person usually
azure bay
Why are the screen's edges curved?
because it's stylish? 🙂
delicate atlas
I can finally unmute this channel
Now I understand what nowherecaw ment by tpw blowing his mind
I can't wait for his video about it
azure bay
I can finally unmute this channel
normally, we don't discuss TPW here
delicate atlas
Oh
azure bay
we have a dedicated thread
azure bay
Now I understand what nowherecaw ment by tpw blowing his mind
congrats btw
delicate atlas
Thanks!
stone talon
Now I understand what nowherecaw ment by tpw blowing his mind
I love nowherecaw
delicate atlas
Based
stone talon
There’s also this other rl YOUTUBER I like, but that’s offtopic lol
Oh yea, Razz Jazz
delicate atlas
Yeah him too
wind axle
I like to think that the plagues happened because Carolyn wasn't sacrificed in the way that the lake demanded
We know that Jakob was supposed to be sacrificed by being lowered into the lake, but Carolyn was sacrificed by being burnt alive, causing the black cubes, and then tossed into the lake
Either that or the lake demands child sacrifices on a regular basis.
Or maybe how Nikolas interpreted the lake's demands.
ebon aspen
Prolly the regular basis, since the plagues seemed to be a recurring thing in the lake
wind axle
Are they? /genq
azure bay
I think so
ebon aspen
Jakob was to be sacrificed, carol freed him and was sacrificed in his place bc they needed to give someone
wind axle
Ah
azure bay
Jakob was to be sacrificed, carol freed him and was sacrificed in his place bc t...
not sure if they needed
her death is pretty unclear
I can't even get when she was killed
after Jakob's escape or before his return?
ebon aspen
Escape no?
wind axle
i like to think that Nikolas went coo-coo crazy being isolated on the island and only interpreted the lake demanding sacrifices
ebon aspen
Nah the lake really went brrrrrrr when it wasnt fed
wind axle
as for the whole plagues thing i can't really explain that without getting into religious territory so mmmmmmm
azure bay
Escape no?
the funeral memory features grown siblings
wind axle
i still think it's really interestingz
ebon aspen
as for the whole plagues thing i can't really explain that without getting into ...
If its commentary on how religious elements are part of the lake lore and not simply talking about the religions themselves, it fine
wind axle
yey
ebon aspen
We are always discussing about how studying mythology and religious philosophy can help understanding the series
azure bay
my go-to assumption is that the biblical plagues were caused by some lake-like force
wind axle
sometimes i wanna draw an eldritch abomination inside the lake because interpretations go brrrr
but at hte same time ik it's not accurate XD
azure bay
@ebon aspen what do you think, shouldn't we trust Nicolas informing Jakob of Caroline's death as it happened in 1792 or should we trust the devs putting his letter into the game?
ebon aspen
Refresh my memory about the letter and how it contradicts nick's statements about carol
Ill prolly replay paradise some time soon bc i dont remember any detail from it
ebon aspen
Youre asking if the past within is the only game recently released by rusty lake?
rapid shuttle
yes
covert wyvern
Then yes. But general questions like this are best asked in #🩸｜general-chat
rapid shuttle
OK
azure bay
Refresh my memory about the letter and how it contradicts nick's statements abou...
April 22 1792
I'm sorry to inform you that your mother passed away.
Please return to Paradise, we need you here.
and "Paradise has been suffering since your mother died. She prayed for your return. Please, help us, son"
The thing is, he could lie
he could be telling half-truth
the coffin memory looks more or less recent
(could it be annual thing for them?)
the bonfire memory doesn't feature memory clones of the family
but technically they are still there around the stake
If it was recent, why would they wait for 15 years before killing her?
If it was long ago why didn't they call Jakob earlier?
Did they suffer through the plagues for 15 years?
What's also interesting
3 sacrifice attempts look differently
ebon aspen
I honestly wouldnt be surprised if he were keeping jakob uninformed
azure bay
I honestly wouldnt be surprised if he were keeping jakob uninformed
there's a problem
the notes are one of the few ways to reliably communicate the game's message
azure bay
I'm starting to think that Second Maze will publish some detective-related story
On the roadmap Case 23 is referenced in the SM building
and Bart's intro was made with Dale's mind map in the background
ebon aspen
A day in the detective office would be nice
delicate atlas
Wait, what is the "sm" building?
azure bay
A building with Second Maze logo on the 7 years anniversary roadmap
delicate atlas
or at least Dale gathering info on Rusty Lake
Wouldn't that be case 24? Because Laura's death case and him going to the lake and discovering it is 23
delicate atlas
A building with Second Maze logo on the 7 years anniversary roadmap
Oh I see
azure bay
Wouldn't that be case 24? Because Laura's death case and him going to the lake a...
that would be still 23
since related to Laura
delicate atlas
Fair
analog yacht
same case technically
floral mauve
<@586283377691197440> hi
This @ is out of nowhere💀💀💀 did he mistaken me as a staff or what
And he even sent me a friend request 
Anyway
bright parrot
Sup crow you there
bright parrot
Wasn't youre name
covert wyvern
This @ is out of nowhere💀💀💀 did he mistaken me as a staff or what
It surprised me too, haha.
bright parrot
Nowherecrow
covert wyvern
No need to discuss that
bright parrot
Coming back to my questions
covert wyvern
Just say nowhere or caw and move on with your life @bright parrot
bright parrot
Random
Another one
Why was dale in the bar
As we know from twd
It was some sort of party
But its whole different in theatre
So that may mean
azure bay
It was some sort of party
because it was a fever dream
bright parrot
That theatre is altered
azure bay
That theatre is altered
not from Bob's point of view
azure bay
The Lost Soul was just a dream. Symbolic but still a dream
If Dale was there, it would be a projection of his future form
bright parrot
That's what I was thinking
What bob saw
Was in his mind
After he shot himself
But I still belive some part of theatre is altered
floral mauve
not from Bob's point of view
I had a discussion on the reliability of Bob’s pov, seems like we don’t really know the gun consequences, he might have a panick attack and he passed out and the memories got extracted
In terms of reality
azure bay
I had a discussion on the reliability of Bob’s pov, seems like we don’t really k...
probably
but what happened before the shot doesn't have reasons to be questioned
bright parrot
Maybe there was no crow or owl in theatre
azure bay
Maybe there was no crow or owl in theatre
Crow definitely was there
bright parrot
In reality
azure bay
in reality
bright parrot
How
azure bay
it's Rusty Lake Theatre
bright parrot
So
floral mauve
but what happened before the shot doesn't have reasons to be questioned
Probably
azure bay
far away from Rusty Lake
bright parrot
Continue
azure bay
continue what?
azure bay
so it's likely managed by Owl
azure bay
Maybe it wasn't even RL theatre
it was
bright parrot
And they are trying to connect the dots
azure bay
we've got posters
bright parrot
Fine
sour trellis
I may say known information, but what if part of the game (like the samsara room and the rusty lake hotel is partly real, partly mental deviation associated with past generations and their games with time and space, due to the influence of aliens, under the guise of rituals and other cult things?
Or i dont understand theme of this channel
azure bay
mental deviations of who exactly?
sour trellis
I dont remember his name, I only remember that he was the founder of a family from the roots
azure bay
you mean James? The one who planted a tree?
sour trellis
No, his dad, the first house owner
sour trellis
And i mean that, what we is he, in begin of the Roots we know, what he dead, but what, if the "mystical power of player" - is the souls of cube escapers?
And this territory was cube
azure bay
I struggle to understand what you mean
sour trellis
cube - a territory of increased density of magic / souls (it doesn’t really matter, let there be the power of the cube), and those who managed to escape become tied to the place with the help of this power, and their souls do not leave it in the form of a spirit, and in order to return to the world of the living, certain conditions are needed like chronometers
azure bay
cubes are memories
sour trellis
ok, let me rephrase a bit. cubes are the center of power, memories fill the soul, the cube and the soul are inextricably linked, and therefore the soul of the one who came into contact with the "first cube" or its discoverer can be is tied to this place where it happened, and is beginning to be some source of power, and the rusty lake is the epicenter of these cubes, due to the possible fall of a UFO or other into that zone
covert wyvern
The lake being alien is a fun take 
sour trellis
Yes, why not?
slow ridge
So in your opinion, which is the real ending of the white door? And which one you like more?
I prefer the original one, when bob remember the day he met Laura in the park. It's so touching and bittersweet.
covert wyvern
It's probably a split in timeline. Both are probably real
slow ridge
Also, did bob escape the place in the end or would he still be trapped inside? Unlike the others, he always travelling through a normal and corrupted state. As if they split up, so could something explain the phenomenon behind it?
covert wyvern
But then again I'm overly fond of my split timeline theory and definitely biased
slow ridge
The moment when bob shot himself, he suddenly went to the club uncorrupted. So did his mind travel there or did he survive the shot and walk out the theatre?
bright parrot
The moment when bob shot himself, he suddenly went to the club uncorrupted. So d...
What I can conclude from TPW and Theatre is that
Bob lost consciousness after he shot himself and then found himself on a road and then went to TWD
slow ridge
But the point is that how did he get there? Is he carried to that place or did he just wander there by accident?
bright parrot
What place
Theatre or TWD
Coz we know how he got into TWD
And bar is where a heartbroken guy goes in movies
Duh
azure bay
The moment when bob shot himself, he suddenly went to the club uncorrupted. So d...
the club
isn't
real
it's a dream
slow ridge
But he is followed by the cops during that moment, after he killed the cop in case 23, he escaped back to the club
Or did everything simply happen in the theatre? He shot himself, get unconscious, then being arrested back
Did he really shoot himself then, or was the bullet harmless?
bright parrot
He shot himself
azure bay
Or did everything simply happen in the theatre? He shot himself, get unconscious...
dude, Theatre and Police Station are separated by almost a year
bright parrot
And maybe they were extracting bob's memories too
azure bay
Theatre is 1971, Case 23 ch2 is 1972
azure bay
So what happened after he shot himself ?
he got a weird dream, that's all we know
slow ridge
So did he dream last for a year before he is arrested
azure bay
What I can conclude from TPW and Theatre is that
Bob lost consciousness after he...
again, dates
we have a gap almost a year long
slow ridge
He woke up again when he get arrested, he turned corrupted, and returned to the club/dream?
bright parrot
So did he dream last for a year before he is arrested
He wasn't arrested he was suspect of Laura's death
slow ridge
He is taken to the station anyway
bright parrot
again, dates
You are saying that there is date gap in theatre and bob going twd incident
bright parrot
He is taken to the station anyway
Yeah So....
slow ridge
Idk, and how did he manage to shift back an uncorrupted form when he called TWD?
bright parrot
That's not in his control
CS is triggered and un triggered
By its choicw
Not the person's choice
azure bay
@slow ridge, please, stop. The Lost Soul has no way to be real. Just look around: giant donuts and TV sets in the streets, Dale VanderDeer, Laura somehow alive.
The Police Station scene is just a flashback Bob's got while remembering that feverish dream.
slow ridge
Oh come on, I'm just confused.
slow ridge
So he did turn corrupt, then kill the cop, get back to his dream, and wake up in the street
slow ridge
that's why you have me here
I know, thanks for that
But how did dale get his black cube
azure bay
- he's got his dream
- the dream was eventually over
- months later he was arrested
- he got corrupted, killed the officer, left a cube (it's normal for CS)
- he woke up in the street with no memory
- TWD starts
- he remembers that dream he had in Theatre
- while remembering said dream he may also remember the police station
slow ridge
- he's got his dream
- the dream was eventually over
- months later he was arres...
Yet he manages to turn back uncorrupted after he left the cube
azure bay
yeah, Bob's corruption streak is weird
he's got corrupted up to 3 times
and every time goes back to normal
slow ridge
And then we find his corrupted version is splitted up with him. One moment he turns corrupted, another moment he turns normal.
Sometimes the corrupted version just simply lay on the ground like black ink
azure bay
And then we find his corrupted version is splitted up with him. One moment he tu...
Take it as halluciantions. A doctor warned him about going crazy
slow ridge
But he wasn't really hallucinating, even the staff and Sarah could see his corrupted state
azure bay
But he wasn't really hallucinating, even the staff and Sarah could see his corru...
I mean, he was corrupted
but he saw it as if he was replaced by another Bob
azure bay
hmmm
azure bay
He's corrupted the whole time?
that's a neat assumption
but I think it was after
doctors had to wear hazmat suits before contacting him
bright parrot
That means
CS emits radiations
But we've seen other humans contacting a CS
It did nothing
Like that
azure bay
CS emits radiations
not necessarily
bright parrot
Then why hazmat
azure bay
the doctor acted as if Bob was just contagious
bright parrot
What about bob was contagious
azure bay
or dangerous in any other way
azure bay
why?
bright parrot
Either CS emitted or CS was energy
bright parrot
why?
Coz that's what hazmats are for
Hazmats are not efficient for contagious diseases as we saw in covid docs used ppe
Hazmat blocks rays not air
azure bay
Coz that's what hazmats are for
Hazmats are not efficient for contagious disease...
I called it hazmat because I didn't find a better word
azure bay
that wasn't
bright parrot
Then what was its purpose
azure bay
that could be any other type of suit
bright parrot
That can be coz that's what faculty is for
But the suit was just to avoid direct contact
azure bay
that's what I mean
azure bay
But we've seen other humans contacting a CS
we have
azure bay
but that was the 1st time the men of science were doing that
if you see an alien, you avoid having direct contact with him cause it may bring diseases humanity has no immunity for
bright parrot
Dale has touched many cs
bright parrot
if you see an alien, you avoid having direct contact with him cause it may bring...
And that states that CS are not harmful docs are just scared
azure bay
Dale has touched many cs
the closest contact Dale had was Bob behind the window
azure bay
And that states that CS are not harmful docs are just scared
or precautious
bright parrot
What about paradox
azure bay
What about paradox
it's in Dale's mind
bright parrot
K
azure bay
And that states that CS are not harmful docs are just scared
my message was about doctors reacting on Bob's corruption, therefore, his corruption started only after day 5 instead of Bob being secretly corrupted all the time
bright parrot
It triggered
On day 5
It was once triggered in police station
Look here's the thing
Laura died
Crow or someone got bob
Maybe altered his memory or tried to extract it
And bob became a cs
Just like dale
azure bay
It triggered
doesn't matter from samsara pov. Either you are corrupted or you aren't
azure bay
Maybe altered his memory or tried to extract it
Bob's memories were altered but not as much as it was for Dale. His memories were valuable. For some reasons
bright parrot
Is the process of Bob's black cube
Becoming a white one
They removed laura from her mind
azure bay
They removed laura from her mind
it was Sarah and she wasn't meant to do that
she was asked not to
bright parrot
What were they trying to do with bob then
azure bay
because "without the woman Bob's mind is useless"
bright parrot
because "without the woman Bob's mind is useless"
For the lake
bright parrot
Then useless for what
azure bay
for the plan, I guess
it looked like they were implanting Bob's memories back
or unlocking them
azure bay
for what reason?
bright parrot
Dale will not become owl
And owl needs someone to become one
So all that's left is bob
azure bay
sorry but this is bs
bright parrot
Then why are they keeping bob
Bob was a forgotten character
Maybe TWD is not related to main games
It was dlc type thing
A spinoff or smth
azure bay
We don't know. It could be for any reason whatsoever.
Your problem is, you are picking those specific ones that make sense to you while objectively they have nothing to set them apart from the infinity of other reasons
you have nothing to support them and we have things to disprove them
bright parrot
I am just presenting my opinions
And disproving them is yours opinion
And my opinion is
"TWD is a spinoff game with nothing to add to main series and that's why they released it on second maze studios"
azure bay
It's clearly related to a plan about Laura
Bob is moderately important, since the manager was personally stalking him
Bob had his purpose
We just don't know it
Since it's his personal story, we aren't meant to know it
From hus pov he didn't know any of this
slow ridge
Bob is her boyfriend, he knows things about Laura. That is why Mr Owl needs him
Not only him, the whole place is in fact a laboratory that tests on people with depression, there must be something about their memories. As it seems like a place for rehabilitation, it is a dystopian place which is hard to get out, patients will be a lab rat forever so the place can extract their cubes and keep testing them
azure bay
Not only him, the whole place is in fact a laboratory that tests on people with ...
too many leaps
bright parrot
Not only him, the whole place is in fact a laboratory that tests on people with ...
We've only seen one "patient" bob
No other seems a patient
And as caw said thats a huge lea0
azure bay
We've only seen one "patient" bob
No other seems a patient
did you see the basement?
slow ridge
did you see the basement?
Are you referring the secret achievement
bright parrot
Yes
real lantern
I have a personal theory about TWD, but i never followed the ARG path nor did i see the secret achievement, so im not sure i should share it yet lol
bright parrot
Share bud
azure bay
I have a personal theory about TWD, but i never followed the ARG path nor did i ...
great you admit having gaps, still go on
bright parrot
That's what we are here for
real lantern
Well, in my mind TWD was a place where we see Mr.owl locking up depressed and turning their bad memories good, only to rip them out of their heads and sending them back to world or getting rid of them by other means (i guess this is where the basement would come in) but bob is different for some reason, it may be related to laura, it may just be him, but his memories just wont get good no matter what they try, until the last day, where he improves and colour comes back to his world
azure bay
Well, in my mind TWD was a place where we see Mr.owl locking up depressed and tu...
why ripping good memories out?
bright parrot
Well, in my mind TWD was a place where we see Mr.owl locking up depressed and tu...
So is it like a rehab removing Laura's memory so he may not feel depressed about them
azure bay
So is it like a rehab removing Laura's memory so he may not feel depressed about...
removing memories of Laura wasn't the goal
bright parrot
Maybe that's the only way to rehab him
bright parrot
removing memories of Laura wasn't the goal
The goal was to get him back normal isn't it
azure bay
The goal was to get him back normal isn't it
we don't know the plan but they NEEDED Laura in his mind
"don't erase the woman. His mind will be useless"
bright parrot
What level of need
Will the put laura in his mind
If she wasn't there
azure bay
they need his mind with the woman inside it
azure bay
Maybe they need his mind
And not just the memories
they seemingly had his memories in Theatre
bright parrot
Maybe they will take his mind
And merge with dale
So he thinks he knew woman for lomg
azure bay
now you are picking random points from the infinite space of possibilities for no reason again
ebon aspen
Whats the point here?
Im seeing theories going brrrr, got curious
bright parrot
Whats the point here?
Im seeing theories going brrrr, got curious
Potential of bob
azure bay
rather his purpose
ebon aspen
Ehh, i dont see how much we cant diverge from what we saw in twd
bright parrot
Maybe bob as a human hold nothing importance
And is a bit of nuisance as he is a CS
And his brain is important
azure bay
And his brain is important
a brain with no human attached to it seems useless
azure bay
never saw that in Rusty Lake before
ebon aspen
Uh, we did?
bright parrot
RL never repeats crazy things
ebon aspen
Not being a common thing ≠ never happening
bright parrot
Never happening again
ebon aspen
When did someone's brain got transplanted into another person's body?
azure bay
We never saw smth like birth of rose
until we saw and had a precedent.
The things you are speaking about have no precedent and a priori shouldn't be considered
bright parrot
When did someone's brain got transplanted into another person's body?
Paradox was a memory so never
bright parrot
So was TWD for bob
ebon aspen
No, twd is pretty much real
bright parrot
But you just contradicted yourself XD
That's what makes the diff between argument and discussion
azure bay
I'd say it seemed beneficial for Bob. But it was somehow even more beneficial for Owl
bright parrot
No, twd is pretty much real
I mean was that bob they were after and not his memories or brain