#🤔|theories
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and the bat in The Cave looks animalisticly smaller and is uncooperative with their supposed higherups.
And in Hotel he seems extremely loyal.
in the white door he's also the bartender, also I think this is just how they draw old people lol
no no, that really was Mr. Crow
Also, Mr. Owl's human appearance matches with that actor in the stage
In addition, the bartender himself used Mr. Crow's mask and costume on stage
So I believe he is Mr. Crow
Even though it's strange to see him looking sophisticated, apparently animal people can change their appearance (at least we see Mr. Owl do that, and Mr. Crow's appearance was younger in The Cave)
i friggin LOVE the white door's take on corruption because in my opinion, the corruption is more mental/metaphorical than physical
i personally like to think that the corrupted souls are more like your brain/you when you're ''''consumed''' by negative emotions/traumatic memories/etc.
as an example, in seasons and in paradox [i think?], i like to believe that laura killed herself, using the knife to slice her neck, but in laura's head, it was the corrupted soul that did it.
in the white door during the police station/case 23, bob becomes a corrupted soul when the police officer asks him, 'what did you do' even though Bob technically didn't do anything [that we know of at least, false accusations and all that funky junk]. We don't know what the hell happened with the police officer dude, did the police officer guy kill himself, did Bob do it, did Bob make him do it, etc, we don't know, but i'm gonna go out on a limb and say that Bob's mental state was so bad that he made the police officer kill himself.
anyway
Bob going 'why did you take my memories' at the end of theatre, we know that the removal of traumatic memories from a person can cause the corruption, thanks to mr owl explaining in the mill
Imagine if your memories were taken from you, but you don't know why. That shit's definitely gonna cause some mental instability.
we all know about van gogh's whole mental state in arles so we really don't need an explanation for that lol
as for paradox iiiiiiii admittedly have no clue, it makes my brain too mushy to think about it
back to the white door, on day 6 [i think?], Bob's mental state is so terrible that in the padded cell, he swaps places with his corrupted soul
i like to imagine that Bob is letting these terrible feelings consume him, which is why he doesn't react when he does his routine, only going ''...'' because, well, if you know what depression does to you...
it's genuinely so fascinating
as for what the hell's going on in, say, hotel, iiiiiiii can't be certain on that part i'm afraid
maybe in Hotel it's not physical souls that are after harvey, it's the guilt of everything that Harvey did that attacked them, causing Harvey to run away.
but that's just my theory, A GAAAAMM- [not gonna do it lmao]

i guess that's my cue to shush lol
Lmao no ur good
Gonna try to read this all later when I'm not seconds away from succumbing to sleep
okie dokie
this is really interesting
tho it erases the immediate threat and horror in the games
its just mental health issues
And why are the corrupted souls of the guests in the lake a physical threat to owl and Dale ?
in the cave
About the removal of memories : I read a book, a fiction wrote by a psychoanalyst (?) and from the pov of a psychoanalyst (??) about what would happen if there was a procedure to erase traumatic memories from the mind of ppl with severe ptsd
In the book it makes things even worse for the person. She still feels all the pain from that experience but can't heal from it because she doesn't know why everything is so painful
She has some things that make her terrified but she doesn't know why (as : she can't go back in the place where it happened, she fears any person that have similarities with her aggressor).... Her entire personality is still altered by her trauma, she faces depression because what she goes through seems unsolvable.
But she can't work on it and slowly heal because she doesn't know what happens, and everybody she knows including her parents won't say anything
it was interesting 🫠
So I guess what you can take from this is : if you extract traumatic memories, the person won't be able to remember what happened at all, but will still feel all the consequences of said trauma. So the consequences aren't only a loss of memories but also an existential crisis because everything is unbearable for seemingly no reasons
if u get what I mean
It wasn't all metaphorical in TWD. Bob wasn't corrupted only in his head. Sarah saw him corrupted, for example. Also Hoorn wrote a book on CS neuroimaging
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More like "Swiper, no swiping"
One of the things I love about the Rusty Lake games is how many different ways you can 'read' each game. The other day I was playing the Lake again and I was thinking that it was a lot like meditation. Meditation being a conscious repetitive task you do that makes you feel at peace, much like fishing at a lake, but you're constantly bombarded by your own intrusive and sometimes dark thoughts (corrupted souls) and it's only through repetition you unlock the green gem that is true peace.
I also like sometimes reading the death's in Hotel as not literal deaths but figurative ones. As if the animals being murdered are in reality the animalistic, base desires of individuals being expunged and the corrupted souls that wander the lake are those same base urges and desires floating around ready to be rekindled.
Haha!
🥲
not that I like going deep into symbolisms but I agree since the plot can be seen differently as well. I made a whole video reviewing 4 ways to see the events of The Lake.
That's one of the interesting things that makes games so different from other media like films and books, especially ones with different endings like Paradox or scenes that appear different based on achievements like in The White door. Each of those different paths or outcomes can be interpreted in different ways. You can also read each game so differently if you view them as an individual work or as part of the larger universe.
I was thinking maybe in TWD Sarah noticed his extreme/negative mental state.
Hoorn reported her before Bob went corrupted
I think it was her waking him up on day 3
During the procedure
Also
Oh crap i forgot about that 
Well shit that shoots my theory xD
I thunk you are not that far
Considering the ARG and the secret basement ending, she was generally against TWD methods
Yeah
As for in theatre how Bob's corpse got up and go to the bathroom only to repeat the whole head thing, iiiii'm not sure on that xD
Hmmm...
I'm honestly not sure how to interpret it
Idk if someone like bob could survive a gunshot to the temple like that
hmmmm
Welp
Time to do some research
You are forgetting where he was and who gave him a gun
Owl needed him, he've been personally stalking him and he made sure Bob's got his calling card
Crap i forgot about that xD
Precisely! :3
As for the whole "removes the threat level" thing, i think the corruption still definitely is
Mental instability irl can be a biiiig threat level, I'd assume the same thing about rusty lake
idk tho lol
I'm still thinking about it, I'm not entirely sure tbh
It's not really horror to me, just sad, and it's not escapism which was what I really meant. I don't like relatable horror.
I think Mr crow has the right intentions but the way he goes about it is
Not very good
Idk
Ik a lot of people say Mr crow is evil but I dunno
do you think Mr. Owl is evil?
i'm not sure tbh lmao
i like to think that mr owl has the same thing, good intentions but not-so-good ways of doing them
all I wanted to know is if Crow is truly loyal to him
it may change how you see Bob's theatre scene
idk, i'm actually curious myself
iirc in Bob's theatre scene, Bob was given the gun by Mr Crow who said that he had a solution.
Since Mr Crow extracts bad memories from corpses [i can't explain how that works in my theory i'm sorry lmao], I like to think that Mr Crow gave him the gun because he wanted to extract or even possibly remove Bob's bad memories, but went a bad way in doing it. [even tho Mr Owl needed Bob to be alive for the testing thing].
idk
Crow clearly has similar goals as Owl and does work with him. But I have a feeling he's very likely to do his own thing if it fits his opinions better. Maybe not necessarily a betrayal but... Insubordination
ooooooo i like this
I think Mr Owl being in the future as a fish is part of the samsara cycle i think
agree
Hmmm...
Got any more theories?
Ik some say that Mr Crow infiltrated Dale's memory of his birthday by becomint his grandpa but idk

Also i think paradox's version of birthday is interesting
Bc in that, David Eilander was called and of course he's a magician with a rabbit mask
But in birthday, it was a rabbit-headed man who killed his parents
So maybe (this is just me lol) 9 year old Dale saw Mr Eilander as a rabbit headed man while in reality he just wore a mask
I think 9 year old Dale saw the Asura form of David, while in Paradox, he was shown David's past life
interesting
Similar to why people wore masks in theatre, despite us being more acquainted with their asuras
Except Harvey
What's more, Corrupted Souls never wear clothes. They are completely black (like Bob becoming corrupted in Dale's office, Laura and Albert corpses...). So, considering Birthday is a past memory floating in the Lake (e.g. modified/strange/dreamlike), considering the fact that Mr Rabbit wears clothes in Birthday and considering his appearance in Paradox (a man wearing a mask), we could assume he was a Human, as you said
Ye
there's still a problem: why? Mr Rabbit stated it was the only way to escape his state, so before Paradox we always assumed he was a Corrupted Soul trying to be reborn
And the substance in the chest that Mr Rabbit stole if we recall correctly was a gun
yes
Maybe he was trying to pull a van Gogh and shoot himself/his corrupted soul
Hrrrmmm...
plus, if I were a Corrupted Soul I probably couldn't normally live in the Human society, while the Rabbit seems perfectly integrated (his number is on the phone book, he's a known magician)
idk, they seem pretty unrelated
I mean that he was trying to do the same as van Gogh did in arles
ye ye, but Mr Rabbit/David Eilander is more a serial killer than a suicidal
Perhaps
On another note, another question i have is why the hell are people feeding the lake memories?
Heck, what does feeding the lake even do, if anything?
watch, there's gonna be some eldritch abomination in the lake /jk
The lake itself is the eldritch probably
Ye
I’d say that feeding it would for example prevent the plagues, thinking about Paradise.
Weren't they sacrificing even before the plagues happened?
Wait Nono nvm nvm i misinterpreted
Mb
Honestly it’s complicated. We should understand what the lake is properly. It’s not that clear, even after The Past Within, though it gives use some important pieces.
Yea
Maybe every lake ruler turns into a fish afterall. Because we see fishes in the lake
And they swim forever
I could symbolically mean that everyone returns to the lake someday
But considering The Past Within, ||they most likely do as trees||
The Past Within has a lot of information from what I'm hearing these days. Guess it's time to buy something
I think tree is probably to represent the people who failed to become the ruler
Because think about it, why did the tree grow when the rabbit guy died in birthday
It does. It’s both self-contained lorewise, but it also adds very interesting (and I’d say important) general aspects.
That tree is also blooming. Again, TPW gives a new meaning to blooming trees specifically, not going any further to avoid spoilers (better in the #945320126608179231 thread)
Owl did that. If not his letter, not his machine, Rabbit wouldn't be defeated.
what about the box speaking of hungry ghosts in 2 languages?
is that a way to underline different classes of CS in your opinion?
yeah yeah right
I see 2 ways
1- we still don't know everything about CS, and the future games will tell us more about how they work
2- (only if you agree with "Paradox at the end of the ascension" theory) Dale someway associated Mr Rabbit CS to his previous Human form, David Eilander, so he looks like a Human in the Paradox vision
maybe with Mr Owl knowledge
I don't think he looks human-human
not more than in Birthday
not really
I just can assure that there's nothing explicitly indicating his face being a mask
The only explicit difference is the color of the hands.
he seems just a re-drawn version of Birthday one
In Paradox those are 100% human hands if I remember correctly
In Birthday the hands are brown
too pale for my liking vs gloves
confirmed
and in Birhtday he wears gloves
Agreed with the gloves, it fits the killer aesthetic
What I meant is that there are no other explicit differences
It’s incredibly how every time the discussion comes back to Mr Rabbit
It’s more discussed than Harvey
(and Harvey's gender😆 )
Harvey's gender is "just a silly lil bean"
lol
Harvəy
a person dissolved after being killed gives me more CS-ish vibes
Speaking of Harvey, I'm curious as to what happened in Harvey's box when Harvey got attacked by the CS
On the wiki it says that them defeating the CS with fireflies was an alternate timeline
So what DID happen to Harvey? 
I think the alternate timeline is the one we're following in this case
lol
I've just had an insight
there's a strong opinion that Harvey saved Laura from a CS in The Lake
Ooo i like that
so the blue gem ending is "more" canon than the green one
what if it was the other way around?
what if Laura's pentagon saved Harvey?
Hmmm
I'm still very curious about the corrupted corpse Laura fished out of the lake
Who the hell WAS that guy
I think you need to watch my video
I tried to make the deepest digest of first Laura-Harvey games possible
I also like to imagine that after she took the apple, Laura just kicked the body back into the lake lmao
same
Do you have link-
do you prefer to start with a recap (to make sure you miss not a single detail) or proceed right away to the theories?
Both lol
Tyy
okie
Rabbit's samsara identity
Boiling boiling water unboils it. #facts
🙃 ?
that hardly seems like a theory 
I'm still heckin curious as to what Mr Crow meant by "your place is already taken" in case 23
Also i noticed that he speaks like twin peaks a corrupted soul
Iirc Mr crow isn't corrupted BUT in roots i think he's the one who gives Albert the deer mask so i dunno
can't wrap my mushy brain around it
Dale said Laura's word
mouth sewed and possibly imitating for some reason
(teamwork)
Ik that but what does it meeeeaaan /lh

He can't visit Rusty Lake MH&F with this word
Ik that Corrupted Souls can take the places of their... idk hosts? Original bodies? Whatever they're called
her place at the resort
Hmm..
have you been watching TPW giveaway/ARG stream?
Haven't been able to
there you could find digital store keys
if you try redeeming them you will be very likely denied because the codes are already redeemed
the same principle applies to the newspaper contest
the weird thing is, it was over 3 years before Dale started the case
it wasn't like "dude, the contest is long expired, leave us alone"
it was like the contest was still going on and Dale was late for mere seconds
another reason for me to think that "the time stopped" at the mill
or "it doesn't exist at Rusty Lake"
I'm kind of curious, Bob wrote a book called false accusations, and ik that he was accused of killing laura, but what i wanna know is who the hell accused him-

that reSPONSE IS SENDING ME
Dale accused no one
i'm crying laughing over here-
his lead was Rusty Lake
Guys I have a theory
This one's for you @azure bay
Remember we talked about
Vanderbooms being a trio
go on
So the third sibling in
Aldous william is
Mother of Jakob (forgot the name)
She married jakobs father
the police. I also think it was Owl who orchestrated the arrest in order to bring Dale the black cube he mentioned in his letter
And changed her last name
Thats why she is the odd ball( what you say in english)
In eilanders
btw nowherecaw i love your videos, i subscribed lol
hmmm...interesting
appreciated 
Whats the name of channel
I seems to me you don't consider time periods
She was young back then
Caroline died before Aldous and William were born
And paradise is before roots
she could be their grandmother
She had elixir
and so?
I thought about that because it checked three boxes of my list.
3rd sibling
And it being a woman
And caroline being odd ball in eilanders
Plus the art in RL paradox
With caroline is called
The lady of the laje
*lake
you could put at that place any other woman as successfully
dude, please, just check the dates
I am bad with dates
Dale was born 5 years before Laura
Great grandma
But I have a strong feeling
great great for that matter. And we know nothing about her.
That caroline is related to vanderbooms
No doubt
Which also makes jakob the part of lake
there's quite a plausible theory of William and Aldous being Elizabeth's children
Illegitimate children
that's just unnecessary
Agreed
The moment I replayed RL games
With keepin in mind that
Cubes are memories
And black cubes are bad memories
It changed everything for me
but personally I generally hate theories about someone being related. It makes the world too small
What is Rusty Lake?
It's an indie video game series penetrated through and through with puzzles, a mysterious atmosphere and a story in the best tradition of David Lynch. That is a bit dark, very cryptic and exceptionally intriguing.
Unlike many who studied this story I'm not going to limit myself with a single point of view. I will present ev...
when done right
since currently it tends to be overused
What are your idead
According to me this was a legacy sort of things
Coz each family had sorted roles
I second this! If there's a build up and it's really important than it's an amazing plot twist! My favorite book series does this a few times and it awesome
Plus I have a question
We have seen Jakob as
Fish and owl
No other hybrid is seen having 2 animal forms
despite my general attitude I actually like Eilander-Vanderboom theory because of its evidence accumulated during 3 years
What eilander-vanderboom theory
about Elizabeth being their mother
evidence makes wonders
That answers many things
This is like filling a sudoku
it doesn't have to. I don't approve your tendency to make everything "connected and therefore meaningful".
Objectively grand events don't require causes as grand. Dale doesn't have to be someone's relative to be visited by a mad killer
If Dale is indeed Crow's grandson (and it's very likely), I hate this twist
But adding backstories gives defination to a character
I just don't wanna think about this.
Plus this won't happen I have proofs
oh, you have?
Sort of
please share this treasure with me
Not physical proofs
I am typing till then you think about this question
This one
It's just about Owl being eventually reborn as a regular fish
that's why his time is limited
it's his future
like Jacob is his past
and Owl is his present
Look
We have seen aldous three time around Dale
1)Bday
2) Theatre
3) Paradox
Coming to bday as we know RL bday is a memory and they are just fixing it to make it a white cube. The bad part was parents death, Aldous fixed that for a white cube. They were killed in real life.
Now in Theatre
The incident is after the bday and aldous is bartender here. Which looks younger than the aldous in bday. And if aldous was his grandpa, Dale would have identified him in Theatre or paradox
But in theatre he is like a normal person to dale
Now coming to paradox
In Paradox
We can't see Grandpa in Past mind, brain puzzle of sorting memory.
And we see him as a therapist
Why
He being younger in Theatre doesn't matter because he looks younger even than his current-self in Case 23, The Mill and The Cave
there's no consistency about his age here
I don't know the the timeline of the cave
easy
Case 23 and The Mill: 1971-72
The Cave: 1972
he was never truly immortal
Or aldous
what r u talking about?
Yup just extended age
Aldous was the protagonist in the cave
All ears mate
1971:
The Mill - Aldous is old
Theatre - Aldous is younger
1972:
The Mill, Case 23 - old again
The Cave - still old despite reconsuming elixir
that's the problem
he suddenly becomes young
speaking of Dale recognizing him in Theatre is debatable, because he probably didn't know how his grandpa looked when he was younger
but he is more likely to recognize him in Case 23
He didn't do that either
that's what you should use to disprove their relation
not Theatre
I was counting the appearance
nor Paradox therapy (because he didn't see his human form there)
But a little resemblance
not definitive enough
Ok
Listen bud
According to me
We are playing as dale all along
The mill
Case 23
Cabin
Everything
it's just not true
I know
confirmed personally by the devs
Like what confirmation
official timeline clearly stating protagonists
This is not about protagonist
This is like a game in a gams
We are dale
And dale is kept in that whit cubeish place
And all the memories
Be it of laura
Aldous
Jakob
there's no need in placing Dale watching all the memories. It's overcomplicating things
Are being put into him
There may be
If he is the successor of the lake
Over Complications is where the fun lies
it's too much of a claim with no evidence whatsoever. It's a fanfic, not theory
A little evidence
In mind puzzle of Paradox
We see mill cubes
Harvey's box cube
Which don't belong there
And that was the reason of origin of this theory
ok, but you go even further and stretch it over the whole series
Maybe they are making dale a hive brain smth
I can make a manga dude
I can make kids stories plot complex
you'll be at that party alone
I'm going to return to grandpa
as I said, a good counter argument to Crow=grandpa is Dale not recognizing him in Case 23
good one, never actually thought about it, kinda a robust evidence for our previous conclusion
Either him really being dale's relative or his role inside the nemories
that's the only clear explanation how the pistol from Hotel got into their possession
ah yes another good point, so we are in a counter counter situation
And then everything back to normal
which one is stronger though
I think the pistol one seems to be stronger
TPW makes me doubt the memory impostor theory
You sure pistol belonged to hotel
sus?
Amogus
it's from Rabbit's past. Rabbit's past is Hotel
wdym memory impostor
Crow impersonating Dale's grandpa
for the memory sake
emmmm so changing memories do in fact change reality?
is that the conclusion we got?
change reality inside a cube
Coverting black cubes to white ones
That gun
Tell me all about it.
Pheasant who used to work with Rabbit killed herself with it
and then decades later it's at Vandermeer's
that's it
I have a fan fic going on in my mind
Rabbit trying to save Pheasant or lets say sister since David got his memories back
thats a nice story
So that adds +1 to the point that memory is altered
how so?
For the gun
no gun, no massacre, no detective career, no Owl and his enlightenment
(likely no detective career)
Performing at some other kids bday
sounds like just a pretext
He came for what
If his goal was to stop massacre
He could have just done nothing
I'm telling ya
Rabbit came for the pistol
he needed the pistol
no pistol, no Rabbit
it's easy
Why he needed the pistol
"this substance from my past life is my only chance to escape this state"
he needed that to be reborn
here we go again
please just reread the convo
How is pistol related to jakobs brother
The past self of rabbit
it's related to Rabbit
he looks differently because he died
I think he's a CS
some think he's already reborn and looks for another rebirth
It makes little sense
Coz white rabbit was floating
In hotel
Window
Which generally CS do
quite a leap you made from white rabbit in Hotel to the one in Birthday
considering they don't look quite the same
I have like
Full map tyoe thingie
That detectives have
With rubber bands etc.
But in my brain
🙃
But will do that for sure.
I wanted to start a YT channel on RL theory
But thats a lot of work
you bet
i might actually make one regarding bob's accusations
Say
don't really think that will work
Was gonna say that
HUH, i didn't know that the song when you touched the black mold in fall, i didn't know that that was harvey's song in reverse, thanks nowherecaw
i'm currently watching your theory videos
visual part is very crucial dealing when with complex ideas
Still thanks bud
Now we have gone a lot off topic
Sorry to say
I'll be honest, I haven't nailed it yet
lol, no problem
👁️
was it in reverse? For my dumb ear, they sound the same, reverse or no
perhaps its too loud for me to identify the song
but I did get its Harvey's song
according to nowhere it is in reverse
tbh i didn't even notice, i thought it was just a random song
kind of makes me wonder if the forest and harvey have a connection
we will see in 2023 hopefully
if not 2024
even better since we could get some insight in metro hopefully
metro?
the forest is the lake
and their journey in Metro
the last time we saw Harvey was the lake forest
oooooooooooo
Anyone else wondering about the lake pre-Eilander?
Like an ancient civilisation or something?
a mammoth game
possibly with Harvey's origin story
less possibly with the lake's origin story
Yeah i would LOVE to see Harvey's origin
||MAMMOTH LIIIIIVES||
But at the same time i like Harvey being this unknown creature too
I like the mystery behind them
HARVEYS GAME
sheesh i just wanna know on whose head he bombed birdshit bf getting involved in owl's schemes
not sure if 20k BC and possible Harvey's game seemingly teased in TPW would be the same project
im still fond of the theory of his game being one of the last ones
he meets dale and they have a gooood quality time talking about whats going on
time travel to mammoth time travel to mammoth time travel to mammoth
considering the devs calling Harvey ancient and saying they were born from a black egg, I'd bet on 20k BC showing explicitly their origin
exactly
maybe some more origins
like the cult
or the lake itself for that matter
would be cool to meet the powers that be of ancient times
"primal Mr. Owl"
sounds like a lovely fella
Why everyone says a mammoth game.
Is this smth official or you guys say it for fun
The devs posted smth on the blog a loooong time ago that featured an image with a mammoth and "20000 bc" written on it
We still wait for that fursome elephant to come back
recently it's confirmed to be alive
You mean bc of the road map?
you know, i'm curious if cubes can be extracted from animals
we know IRL that animals have memory, even if that memory is very short [looking at you, bees with your 2 second memory span]
i kinda wonder if cubes can be made from animal memories
exactly
btw yes that is the biology fact of the day, bees have a 2.4 second memory span
that probably wouldn't matter since you still have your past life memories somewhere deep inside you. Why wouldn't you have your current life ones?
you got a point
Welp, its not really alive (rip mammoth my friend)
But also, as much as i want way too much to see a stone age game, i also think the devs could just be throwing it in the roadmap as an easter egg
Its not like we will have smth for every single detail in it (frog's guesteria would be a great thing tho)
But yeah, the mammoth lives on
Please edit the message or delete and write a new one from scratch
so cool, I love biology facts
Im lucky to have already watched the show, but dang
It's fine mind you lmao
I probably wasn't finishing it anyway lmaoo
It's okay to just admit to your mistakes bud.
Never more sorry
Anyway I'd like a RL mammoth game be it alive or dead:)
Its worst crime to spoil a series
Obviously any prospect of a lake origin appearing in a game is cool
@azure bay
Remember when you said that why will devs complicate the plot.
The stuff that I say is less complicated that animal hybrids.
Plus I don't belive animal hybrids real.
If they are then we will soon receive a game on that.
Otherwise its like an Anime ODDTAXI
Did you read my yesterday's theory
I read every message that gets send in this server.
I have none, hence why I didn't respond yesterday:)
No Dale's past
so youre implying that everyone in the lake are having alluvinations about the anthro animals, even the anthro animals themselves?
sorry but i really got confused
yep, and we arent using it as an example anymore bc of spoilers
how come?
them not being real would be the same as stating the corrupted souls arent too
?
Owl was fish in past
Maybe it was past
Forgot the tense
But he was fish
Bloop bloop
it wasnt
owl shown to dale how he would end up soon, as a fish in the samsara room (or even a literal fish when he got reborn)
and paradox is, well, lots of delirium
its just like the possibility of crow infiltrating dale's memories in bday and stuff
that could easily not be the real jakob, but his projection in dale's mind
anyways, the anthros are real
wait, dale is the protagonist in samsara?
No
The protagonist is CS of William
probably found a book or something about it. I mean, Ida was a fortune teller. He could've learned from her, one way or another
Its not easy
Voodoo takes time to master
and he had years
i would make a 'it's rusty lake weird shit can happen' but at the same time, that answer just don't cut it sometimes
Everything's got an answer
We just don't know it
Till we know it
got any juicy theories about anything yall?
The reason why theory page is less active is because lack of plot.
It is requested that Plz start a Fanfic channel
we have it's called #🎨|fan-creations you can drop all your fanwritings there:)
Here's a theory
That albert is a good guy
He is just less conscious than others because he had wine since birth
Its all William he is the bad guy
He is selfish
Taking family member sacrifices
And Maybe
Frank is Williams' Son
We don't know how emma got pregnant
Only Emma and Williams' soul (maybe coz we play as him) were at the scene
i kind of wonder if it was williams idea for the sacrifices
we kinda do know how emma got pregnant though... and William was long dead by that time
by the mysterious flower, which idk how that works but alright XD
well albert used alchemy [sort of] for that
Emma got pregnant by a flower that makes a little less sense
And we play as William's CS in roots.
So every memory we play, we play as William.
we play as the ghost of william. The soul
not living william
william did not impregnate his grandniece
Not directly but he may have influenced her pregnancy
And william is responsible for frank ending up in swing.
I wont take all of the action we did as legit
More like his soul
I deny that
RL has been clear abou who we play as in games
currently 2 options so far:
- Magical flower pregnancy
- Emma has several affairs outside the mansion
So there is no chance that what we do is done by someone else
The focus of my theory is
Albert is a good guy
With bad circumstances
Another revelation like that or 2, and the whole channel can go on retirement
speakin of, are you going to make more vids? i'd love to see and hear more ;w;
Of course
For now I'm focusing on TPW
Let's plays, and about 2-3 essays
Depending on how cool the ARG will end up
nice
You know, i kinda wonder if someone would eventually snap at Mr crow
We know that Mr crow is immortal
But he likely ain't invincible xD
In all seriousness i might make an au where Dale or someone else just snaps and beats the shit out of or even kills Mr crow
I'm just curious as to what would happen
He isn't immortal. He needs to reconsume the elixir once in a while and they don't have a steady source of it
like Owl will be reborn as a fish Crow will become something else as well
considering data we have, I guess he'll become a CS and go into the past to bring Albert madness and masks
Oh yeah i forgot about that part
I thought he already did that?
that's not him yet
If he didn't then who was that CS crow in roots lol
I mean it's his future-self in my opinion
Hm
it's rare that you go corrupted and then just return back to normal
usually it requires quite an effort
so it's either his future-self or someone else
I kinda wonder if Mr crow is corrupted post Hotel
We know that hotel takes place over the course of a week in 1893
When Albert is given the deer mask by the crow, it's 1896 bc that was during the lying gamw
Also I need someone to form an explanation for if Crow is the grandpa, how did he survive after a bullet in the head, don’t tell me he has a human mask on all the time but beneath he is asura
Did he?
I mean, in Birthday there's something like a time travel (even if I do not consider it a time travel)
idk but the current situation suggest it to us that crow is the owner of the pistol
Rabbit took it
pre blue cube
it is certain that after the usage of blue cube, its fabricated more or less
Dale's grandpa looks totally dead tbh
thats the question I wanted u guys to explain
if he is crow how can he fake the death or survive after the bullet in the head
Wasn't all of birthday supposed to be a tweaked memory anyway? Even before the blue cube
Since tpw I always consideres Birthday as an altered memory (+ the Birthday scene in Paradox without the grandpa)
Yes exactly
we dont have clear evidence suggest so before blue cube, only partial evidence from paradox which is not very convincing tbh
I like to think that Mr crow just self inserted him into Dale's memory, him being shot didn't actually happen bc he didn't exist in that memory
after comparing both sides, crow is/isnt grandpa, the side of crow is grandpa wins
it has stronger evidence
We do certainly know that the entire thing is a memory though, because of Dale viewing his memories in the lake. The black cube
yep
I would also point out that Dale never recognized his possible grandpa in other circumstances
we do know there is a massacre
And that Dale was the only survivor
could look alike, plus in mill, its a human mask sort of thing
But memories are fragile things. Things can change in your memory even without purposeful intervention. In fact, your memory changes a little every time you recall a memory
He also met him in Theatre, when he met Bob
I like to think that Mr Crow inserted himself into Dale's memory cube bc as dale explains in i think case 23, the lake is changing his memories
could we consider the fact that the memory was a black cube that it was already corrupted and potentially made worse?
thats the part we arent certain, perhaps he wasnt there as legit? But grandpa does have the menu of gin tonic
I am not sure because we have many examples in Paradise
no evidence for it to be less true than the other ones
Hmmmm fair enough
Its cleared in many games that cubes are memories and by playing game you can confirm that black cubes are indeed sad memories. And whites are good/happy memories
That I know. But a cube memory can also be corrupted
As can the person, as seen in mill
Yes
I dont agree memory can be corrupted, one is cause one is effect.
Extraction of black cube causes corruption of the body or form CS
But the objective is to make black cubes white not the opposite
but yea its probably phrasing but still I would like to clarify a little bit
Consider the memory/person a patient
And Crow the doctor
The objective is to save the patient not to kill them.
(Here saving means preventing from forming a CS)
But due to some Complications a patient may die
The same is here
They can corrupt a memory
They just aren't doing it
Crow is unlikely to have medical degree
it was only once where he took a role of Dale's therapist for a day
never before, never after
sry, the history decided that I don't impersonate him too much
things COULD go differently
I know and we talked that
But being a fellow crow
You can confirm crows don't own degree
see no obstacles
that's just one certain crow that doesn't have a degree we're talking about
I used the word consider there
We are just assuming positions
To understand things
I don't get what positions you r talking about
Lemme come again
Lets assume
Or think
Just in brain
Only for better understanding
Not in game
That Crow (or who ever extracts memories) works like a doctor. He is not a doctor
We are assuming his work like that
And the people like laura (whose memories are to be extracted) are patients
And black cubes are the problems
So what a doctor does is fixes the problem
He can ruin it
But he doesn't
Coz that won't benifit him
Just like
Corrupting a memory wont help the lake
Before going deep into reasoning I need you to answer 2 questions
- for what reason would I think so?
- for what purpose would I think so?
The ans is coz you got confused
The simple ans is
Yes crow can corrupt the memory
But won't
Coz it will not benifit him
(Atleast till now)
Crow's job is extracting memories and flushing them into the lake
Painful memories extraction has a chance to cause soul corruption, that's why is has to be performed carefully. However, nobody is protected from a human factor
He also fixes black cubes making them white and then extracting them
the only case was Dale
and that was an exception
I would consider it as feeding to lake
all the lake needs are fresh memories. Balancing substance of past life is about their owners
Only case we have seen is dale and laura (as far as I remember)
If I ever got a nickle for the person whose memories were extracted it would be 2 which is less but its shocking that it happened twice
3 possible cases so far and only Dale was guided by Owl and his crew. Because he's a freaking chosen one, the future ruler of the lake
Rabbit, I think. The reason he needed the pistol
No evidence
also could be true for Pheasant
he's literally talking about past life substance
that's what Dale does in Birthday
How is that related to cubes
cubes is the time travel tool to go
I am asking about extractions not about the existence of cube
Cubes were in paradise
But it was not revealed how they got there
extraction and balancing are 2 different procedures
Or maybe paradise is also a memory
it was. They floated up the air with bonfire smoke
So whats your conclusion
about what?
About our convo
what is cube corruption?
White cube to black one
I think he can. I think he wouldn't. Just extra effort with no use
Not that they can't
wrong a person, and a black cube is added to their collection
I find this topic useless
Yup
because nobody to my knowledge retroactively turned memories painful ever
I don't really get why you started speaking of cube corruption
because it's just useless
Exactly
then why asking?
Thats what I am saying
why starting it all?
ok
You know me dude
I come up with indian soap level theories
Like family relations and all that
Maybe we will see more of bob
Coz devs brought him back
Out of blue
And maybe devs are not doing dale for sometime
Coz suspense
And hype
I'd like to but I think we'll get nothing beyond simple cameos. His arc is ended
He fell in love with a nurse at the end of TWD
which is a red head like jakob
Maybe she is jakobs relative
And is luring bob to lake
it's an alternate ending
here we go again
So what
Paradox endings are considered real too
because they are part of the same system
Its always you and me bud
You and Me
Jacob's relative actively ruining Jacob's plans
I'll be just ignoring this stuff from now on
Or maybe thats jakobs plan
That it will loke like she is saving her and then she will bring him back to jakob
That's your right!
You’re funny
Do you have evidence?
I have a theory that Dale's grandpa actually is Aldous Vanderboom aka Mr. Crow.
But Dale's grandpa never actually exists
Somehow Mr. Crow and Mr. Owl must have altered it.
To support the theory, in Paradox, in the brain of the past and in the puzzle of his mind, only his mom and dad were consistently present
No sign of his grandpa
So in the original course of events only his mom and dad died as they were the only ones along with him in the first place.
I don't know if this is already clarified, discussed or proven as I'm very new to this series. Feel free to mention any games as I've played all of them.
I've never heard such variation before
If there's no sign of his real grandpa how do you know how how he looks like?
He does not exist in reality.
Only within the altered memory
Then why Mr. Crow?
He looks the most like him
Plus after the altered events he does not flinch
here we go again 🙂
how do you know how he looks if he doesn't exist?
I think that Mr. crow probably entered into the memory for alterations and represented himself within the memory as his grandpa.
Dale said he had hazy memories at the start
So he probably was confused and believed it
so u're saying that he pretends to be his grandpa?
I have a new point on this theory.
Dale's grandpa does not look like dale or his father.
But Dale's father look like dale
Yup kinda
and that I heard and I confirm, that one of valid viewpoints
you could argue
Explain plz
English is not my first lang
I mean his dad could always take after his grandma...
We would never know
Ok
One more point
Dale's grandpa is bald
And dale and his father isn't
Baldness is genetic
I mean that if you look for resemblance, you'll find them
Also one more thing
After the altered events, Dale's parents are confused and scared while his grandpa laughs..
The grandpa also asks for a gun
How does he know what's gonna happen ?
Though I don't know how much this could prove the theory, I think resemblances within the characters might work. So let me see if I can catch any.
Actually the theory is itself strong
Me and nowherecrow had hours long convo on it.
Its just a supporting evidence
literally every character could look alike because it's the same artist using the same style
they share certain facial features
you could argue that Crow's nose looks like theirs
I don't consider his eyes too much because in The Cave they are normal
The other characters kind of have dot eyes
that could be a point tho
Also Bob's nose is straight identical to Vandermeer's
Completely forgot
ah, I recall another thing
in TWD (after redesign) Crow's eyes are dots too
Actually yeah
In roots most of the vanderbooms were not identical
I am curious about the blue cube
It was in cave
And bday
and Seasons
Any other game
I had a weird feeling that the Blue cube was a drug that altered memories.
blue cubes makes time go back (a least)
considering Seasons, could make them go forward
I forgot where was it in seasons
So it's a kind of time changing device ?
Can you send the timestamp from walkthrough video
time flow control imo
Cubes are memories
winter. It makes clocks go backwards and unlocks all the memories
Then it is confirmed that blue cube is the memory with travel in past
Coz same was done in bday
it's not memory
But cubes are memories
it's time
black and white cubes are
And actually that was my 2nd question
The use of memories by
Normal person
In game is not clear
How can a person hold and use memories
Maybe thats all in mind
Any evidence of jt being time
The Cave book
it's marked with a clock
and you use it to make the clocks go back and forth
I think I could argue that the black cube and white cube when used in seasons also made the time go forward.....
according to ||TPW||, memories are as real or unreal as the reality
who are "they"?
I see no sense in going IRL
You don't see CS every other day
I don't understand exactly what happened there...
@bright parrot Estelle made a mistake, they're talking about TWD
which does not need to be spoiler marked.
DamnI was scared to hell
O you should be
I have not played TPW
Stop minimodding or be muted.
Sorry for being paranoid
I'm sorry for the mistake
A simple typo happens, don't worry about it:)
It was my mistake
Thank you
Don't worry.
Yeah so what were you saying

