#🤔|theories

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azure bay
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Mr. Bat is an asura, a hybrid, as community calls them

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and the bat in The Cave looks animalisticly smaller and is uncooperative with their supposed higherups.

And in Hotel he seems extremely loyal.

carmine field
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You're right

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It could just be a coincidence

hidden ledge
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in the white door he's also the bartender, also I think this is just how they draw old people lol

carmine field
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Also, Mr. Owl's human appearance matches with that actor in the stage

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In addition, the bartender himself used Mr. Crow's mask and costume on stage

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So I believe he is Mr. Crow

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Even though it's strange to see him looking sophisticated, apparently animal people can change their appearance (at least we see Mr. Owl do that, and Mr. Crow's appearance was younger in The Cave)

wind axle
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i friggin LOVE the white door's take on corruption because in my opinion, the corruption is more mental/metaphorical than physical
i personally like to think that the corrupted souls are more like your brain/you when you're ''''consumed''' by negative emotions/traumatic memories/etc.

as an example, in seasons and in paradox [i think?], i like to believe that laura killed herself, using the knife to slice her neck, but in laura's head, it was the corrupted soul that did it.
in the white door during the police station/case 23, bob becomes a corrupted soul when the police officer asks him, 'what did you do' even though Bob technically didn't do anything [that we know of at least, false accusations and all that funky junk]. We don't know what the hell happened with the police officer dude, did the police officer guy kill himself, did Bob do it, did Bob make him do it, etc, we don't know, but i'm gonna go out on a limb and say that Bob's mental state was so bad that he made the police officer kill himself.

anyway
Bob going 'why did you take my memories' at the end of theatre, we know that the removal of traumatic memories from a person can cause the corruption, thanks to mr owl explaining in the mill
Imagine if your memories were taken from you, but you don't know why. That shit's definitely gonna cause some mental instability.

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we all know about van gogh's whole mental state in arles so we really don't need an explanation for that lol

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as for paradox iiiiiiii admittedly have no clue, it makes my brain too mushy to think about it

back to the white door, on day 6 [i think?], Bob's mental state is so terrible that in the padded cell, he swaps places with his corrupted soul
i like to imagine that Bob is letting these terrible feelings consume him, which is why he doesn't react when he does his routine, only going ''...'' because, well, if you know what depression does to you...

it's genuinely so fascinating
as for what the hell's going on in, say, hotel, iiiiiiii can't be certain on that part i'm afraid

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maybe in Hotel it's not physical souls that are after harvey, it's the guilt of everything that Harvey did that attacked them, causing Harvey to run away.

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but that's just my theory, A GAAAAMM- [not gonna do it lmao]

covert wyvern
wind axle
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i guess that's my cue to shush lol

covert wyvern
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Lmao no ur good

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Gonna try to read this all later when I'm not seconds away from succumbing to sleep

wind axle
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okie dokie

marsh scarab
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this is really interesting

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tho it erases the immediate threat and horror in the games

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its just mental health issues

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And why are the corrupted souls of the guests in the lake a physical threat to owl and Dale ?

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in the cave

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About the removal of memories : I read a book, a fiction wrote by a psychoanalyst (?) and from the pov of a psychoanalyst (??) about what would happen if there was a procedure to erase traumatic memories from the mind of ppl with severe ptsd

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In the book it makes things even worse for the person. She still feels all the pain from that experience but can't heal from it because she doesn't know why everything is so painful

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She has some things that make her terrified but she doesn't know why (as : she can't go back in the place where it happened, she fears any person that have similarities with her aggressor).... Her entire personality is still altered by her trauma, she faces depression because what she goes through seems unsolvable.

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But she can't work on it and slowly heal because she doesn't know what happens, and everybody she knows including her parents won't say anything

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it was interesting 🫠

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So I guess what you can take from this is : if you extract traumatic memories, the person won't be able to remember what happened at all, but will still feel all the consequences of said trauma. So the consequences aren't only a loss of memories but also an existential crisis because everything is unbearable for seemingly no reasons

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if u get what I mean

azure bay
azure bay
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<@&358613639554400258>

covert wyvern
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Yikes

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@gusty slate don't advertise

azure bay
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More like "Swiper, no swiping"

weak python
# wind axle i friggin LOVE the white door's take on corruption because in my opinion, the co...

One of the things I love about the Rusty Lake games is how many different ways you can 'read' each game. The other day I was playing the Lake again and I was thinking that it was a lot like meditation. Meditation being a conscious repetitive task you do that makes you feel at peace, much like fishing at a lake, but you're constantly bombarded by your own intrusive and sometimes dark thoughts (corrupted souls) and it's only through repetition you unlock the green gem that is true peace.

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I also like sometimes reading the death's in Hotel as not literal deaths but figurative ones. As if the animals being murdered are in reality the animalistic, base desires of individuals being expunged and the corrupted souls that wander the lake are those same base urges and desires floating around ready to be rekindled.

marsh scarab
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Man that's deep

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(get it the depths of the lake)

weak python
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Haha!

marsh scarab
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🥲

azure bay
weak python
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That's one of the interesting things that makes games so different from other media like films and books, especially ones with different endings like Paradox or scenes that appear different based on achievements like in The White door. Each of those different paths or outcomes can be interpreted in different ways. You can also read each game so differently if you view them as an individual work or as part of the larger universe.

wind axle
azure bay
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Hoorn reported her before Bob went corrupted

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I think it was her waking him up on day 3

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During the procedure

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Also

wind axle
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Oh crap i forgot about that FrankLaugh
Well shit that shoots my theory xD

azure bay
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I thunk you are not that far

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Considering the ARG and the secret basement ending, she was generally against TWD methods

wind axle
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Yeah

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As for in theatre how Bob's corpse got up and go to the bathroom only to repeat the whole head thing, iiiii'm not sure on that xD

azure bay
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I just think it wasn't corpse

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He was alive seeing The Lost Soul dream

wind axle
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Hmmm...

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I'm honestly not sure how to interpret it
Idk if someone like bob could survive a gunshot to the temple like that DaleConfused hmmmm
Welp
Time to do some research

azure bay
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You are forgetting where he was and who gave him a gun

wind axle
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Right

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Mb

azure bay
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Owl needed him, he've been personally stalking him and he made sure Bob's got his calling card

wind axle
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Crap i forgot about that xD

azure bay
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I have an important question

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@wind axle do you believe Mr. Crow would betray Owl?

wind axle
wind axle
marsh scarab
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It's not really horror to me, just sad, and it's not escapism which was what I really meant. I don't like relatable horror.

wind axle
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Ahh i understandz

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Aaagh this is all so interesting

I love it

wind axle
azure bay
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do you think Mr. Owl is evil?

wind axle
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i'm not sure tbh lmao
i like to think that mr owl has the same thing, good intentions but not-so-good ways of doing them

azure bay
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all I wanted to know is if Crow is truly loyal to him

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it may change how you see Bob's theatre scene

wind axle
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idk, i'm actually curious myself

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iirc in Bob's theatre scene, Bob was given the gun by Mr Crow who said that he had a solution.
Since Mr Crow extracts bad memories from corpses [i can't explain how that works in my theory i'm sorry lmao], I like to think that Mr Crow gave him the gun because he wanted to extract or even possibly remove Bob's bad memories, but went a bad way in doing it. [even tho Mr Owl needed Bob to be alive for the testing thing].
idk

analog yacht
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Crow clearly has similar goals as Owl and does work with him. But I have a feeling he's very likely to do his own thing if it fits his opinions better. Maybe not necessarily a betrayal but... Insubordination

wind axle
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I think Mr Owl being in the future as a fish is part of the samsara cycle i think

wind axle
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Hmmm...
Got any more theories?
Ik some say that Mr Crow infiltrated Dale's memory of his birthday by becomint his grandpa but idk
SamuelThink

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Also i think paradox's version of birthday is interesting
Bc in that, David Eilander was called and of course he's a magician with a rabbit mask

But in birthday, it was a rabbit-headed man who killed his parents
So maybe (this is just me lol) 9 year old Dale saw Mr Eilander as a rabbit headed man while in reality he just wore a mask

analog yacht
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I think 9 year old Dale saw the Asura form of David, while in Paradox, he was shown David's past life

wind axle
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SamuelThink interesting

analog yacht
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Similar to why people wore masks in theatre, despite us being more acquainted with their asuras

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Except Harvey

astral frost
# wind axle Also i think paradox's version of birthday is interesting Bc in that, David Eila...

What's more, Corrupted Souls never wear clothes. They are completely black (like Bob becoming corrupted in Dale's office, Laura and Albert corpses...). So, considering Birthday is a past memory floating in the Lake (e.g. modified/strange/dreamlike), considering the fact that Mr Rabbit wears clothes in Birthday and considering his appearance in Paradox (a man wearing a mask), we could assume he was a Human, as you said

wind axle
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Ye

astral frost
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there's still a problem: why? Mr Rabbit stated it was the only way to escape his state, so before Paradox we always assumed he was a Corrupted Soul trying to be reborn

wind axle
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And the substance in the chest that Mr Rabbit stole if we recall correctly was a gun

astral frost
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yes

wind axle
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Maybe he was trying to pull a van Gogh and shoot himself/his corrupted soul

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Hrrrmmm...

astral frost
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plus, if I were a Corrupted Soul I probably couldn't normally live in the Human society, while the Rabbit seems perfectly integrated (his number is on the phone book, he's a known magician)

astral frost
wind axle
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I mean that he was trying to do the same as van Gogh did in arles

astral frost
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ye ye, but Mr Rabbit/David Eilander is more a serial killer than a suicidal

wind axle
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Perhaps

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On another note, another question i have is why the hell are people feeding the lake memories?
Heck, what does feeding the lake even do, if anything?

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watch, there's gonna be some eldritch abomination in the lake /jk

hollow igloo
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The lake itself is the eldritch probably

wind axle
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Ye

hollow igloo
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I’d say that feeding it would for example prevent the plagues, thinking about Paradise.

wind axle
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Weren't they sacrificing even before the plagues happened?

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Wait Nono nvm nvm i misinterpreted

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Mb

hollow igloo
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Honestly it’s complicated. We should understand what the lake is properly. It’s not that clear, even after The Past Within, though it gives use some important pieces.

wind axle
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Yea

gloomy scarab
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Maybe every lake ruler turns into a fish afterall. Because we see fishes in the lake

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And they swim forever

hollow igloo
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I could symbolically mean that everyone returns to the lake someday

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But considering The Past Within, ||they most likely do as trees||

gloomy scarab
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The Past Within has a lot of information from what I'm hearing these days. Guess it's time to buy something

gloomy scarab
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Because think about it, why did the tree grow when the rabbit guy died in birthday

hollow igloo
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It does. It’s both self-contained lorewise, but it also adds very interesting (and I’d say important) general aspects.

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That tree is also blooming. Again, TPW gives a new meaning to blooming trees specifically, not going any further to avoid spoilers (better in the #945320126608179231 thread)

azure bay
azure bay
astral frost
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can't remember

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one of them was preta

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the other one?

azure bay
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the chest with a pistol

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hungry ghost in another language

astral frost
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is that a way to underline different classes of CS in your opinion?

azure bay
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no

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just screaming louder of a CS

astral frost
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yeah yeah right

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I see 2 ways

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1- we still don't know everything about CS, and the future games will tell us more about how they work

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2- (only if you agree with "Paradox at the end of the ascension" theory) Dale someway associated Mr Rabbit CS to his previous Human form, David Eilander, so he looks like a Human in the Paradox vision

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maybe with Mr Owl knowledge

azure bay
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not more than in Birthday

astral frost
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need to look at him again

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do you have a screenshot?

azure bay
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not really

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I just can assure that there's nothing explicitly indicating his face being a mask

astral frost
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you're right

hollow igloo
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The only explicit difference is the color of the hands.

astral frost
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he seems just a re-drawn version of Birthday one

hollow igloo
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In Paradox those are 100% human hands if I remember correctly

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In Birthday the hands are brown

azure bay
astral frost
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and in Birhtday he wears gloves

hollow igloo
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Agreed with the gloves, it fits the killer aesthetic

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What I meant is that there are no other explicit differences

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It’s incredibly how every time the discussion comes back to Mr Rabbit

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It’s more discussed than Harvey

astral frost
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(and Harvey's gender😆 )

analog yacht
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Harvey's gender is "just a silly lil bean"

astral frost
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lol

hollow igloo
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Harvəy

azure bay
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a person dissolved after being killed gives me more CS-ish vibes

wind axle
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Speaking of Harvey, I'm curious as to what happened in Harvey's box when Harvey got attacked by the CS
On the wiki it says that them defeating the CS with fireflies was an alternate timeline
So what DID happen to Harvey? SamuelThink

azure bay
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I think the alternate timeline is the one we're following in this case

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lol

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I've just had an insight

azure bay
wind axle
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Ooo i like that

azure bay
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so the blue gem ending is "more" canon than the green one

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what if it was the other way around?

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what if Laura's pentagon saved Harvey?

wind axle
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Hmmm

azure bay
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you know what? nope

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the scene looks more like "the lake gives me another opportunity"

wind axle
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I'm still very curious about the corrupted corpse Laura fished out of the lake

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Who the hell WAS that guy

azure bay
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I tried to make the deepest digest of first Laura-Harvey games possible

wind axle
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I also like to imagine that after she took the apple, Laura just kicked the body back into the lake lmao

azure bay
# wind axle Do you have link-

do you prefer to start with a recap (to make sure you miss not a single detail) or proceed right away to the theories?

azure bay
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playlist that is

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sorry for 1st vid sound quality

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it was the old mic

wind axle
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Tyy

floral mauve
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omg wth did I miss

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I was super busy recently, any interesting theories?

azure bay
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I think not

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Bob in theatre

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Owl is a fish

floral mauve
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okie

azure bay
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Rabbit's samsara identity

ivory frost
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Boiling boiling water unboils it. #facts

azure bay
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🙃 ?

covert wyvern
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that hardly seems like a theory crowgiggle

wind axle
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I'm still heckin curious as to what Mr Crow meant by "your place is already taken" in case 23

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Also i noticed that he speaks like twin peaks a corrupted soul

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Iirc Mr crow isn't corrupted BUT in roots i think he's the one who gives Albert the deer mask so i dunno

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DaleConfused can't wrap my mushy brain around it

floral mauve
azure bay
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(teamwork)

wind axle
azure bay
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He can't visit Rusty Lake MH&F with this word

wind axle
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Ik that Corrupted Souls can take the places of their... idk hosts? Original bodies? Whatever they're called

wind axle
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Hmm..

azure bay
wind axle
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Haven't been able to

azure bay
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there you could find digital store keys

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if you try redeeming them you will be very likely denied because the codes are already redeemed

wind axle
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PoggersDale tell me more

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Ah

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Hrmm...

azure bay
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the same principle applies to the newspaper contest

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the weird thing is, it was over 3 years before Dale started the case

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it wasn't like "dude, the contest is long expired, leave us alone"

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it was like the contest was still going on and Dale was late for mere seconds

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another reason for me to think that "the time stopped" at the mill

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or "it doesn't exist at Rusty Lake"

wind axle
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I'm kind of curious, Bob wrote a book called false accusations, and ik that he was accused of killing laura, but what i wanna know is who the hell accused him-

covert wyvern
wind axle
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that reSPONSE IS SENDING ME

azure bay
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Dale accused no one

wind axle
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i'm crying laughing over here-

azure bay
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his lead was Rusty Lake

wind axle
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the entire lake accused bob /jk

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but in all seriousness i wanna know damn it

bright parrot
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Guys I have a theory

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This one's for you @azure bay

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Remember we talked about

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Vanderbooms being a trio

wind axle
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PoggersDale go on

bright parrot
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So the third sibling in

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Aldous william is

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Mother of Jakob (forgot the name)

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She married jakobs father

azure bay
bright parrot
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And changed her last name

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Thats why she is the odd ball( what you say in english)

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In eilanders

wind axle
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btw nowherecaw i love your videos, i subscribed lol

azure bay
bright parrot
azure bay
bright parrot
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She was young back then

azure bay
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Caroline died before Aldous and William were born

bright parrot
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And paradise is before roots

azure bay
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she could be their grandmother

bright parrot
azure bay
bright parrot
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Idk

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RL shenanigans

bright parrot
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3rd sibling

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And it being a woman

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And caroline being odd ball in eilanders

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Plus the art in RL paradox

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With caroline is called

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The lady of the laje

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*lake

azure bay
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you could put at that place any other woman as successfully

bright parrot
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Then maybe dales grandma

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Who was the sister

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But left the lake

azure bay
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dude, please, just check the dates

bright parrot
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I am bad with dates

azure bay
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Dale was born 5 years before Laura

bright parrot
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But I have a strong feeling

azure bay
bright parrot
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That caroline is related to vanderbooms

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No doubt

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Which also makes jakob the part of lake

azure bay
bright parrot
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Illegitimate children

azure bay
bright parrot
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Just askin

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What type of children

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Abandoned

azure bay
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no idea

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we left Eilanders before they were born

bright parrot
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Agreed

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The moment I replayed RL games

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With keepin in mind that

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Cubes are memories

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And black cubes are bad memories

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It changed everything for me

azure bay
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but personally I generally hate theories about someone being related. It makes the world too small

azure bay
bright parrot
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The best plot twists are people being relatives

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Remember star wars

azure bay
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since currently it tends to be overused

bright parrot
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What are your idead

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According to me this was a legacy sort of things

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Coz each family had sorted roles

vocal yew
# azure bay when done right

I second this! If there's a build up and it's really important than it's an amazing plot twist! My favorite book series does this a few times and it awesome

bright parrot
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Plus I have a question

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We have seen Jakob as

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Fish and owl
No other hybrid is seen having 2 animal forms

azure bay
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despite my general attitude I actually like Eilander-Vanderboom theory because of its evidence accumulated during 3 years

bright parrot
azure bay
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evidence makes wonders

bright parrot
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This is like filling a sudoku

azure bay
# bright parrot That answers many things

it doesn't have to. I don't approve your tendency to make everything "connected and therefore meaningful".

Objectively grand events don't require causes as grand. Dale doesn't have to be someone's relative to be visited by a mad killer

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If Dale is indeed Crow's grandson (and it's very likely), I hate this twist

bright parrot
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But adding backstories gives defination to a character

bright parrot
azure bay
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oh, you have?

bright parrot
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Sort of

azure bay
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please share this treasure with me

bright parrot
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Not physical proofs

bright parrot
azure bay
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that's why his time is limited

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it's his future

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like Jacob is his past

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and Owl is his present

bright parrot
# azure bay please share this treasure with me

Look
We have seen aldous three time around Dale
1)Bday
2) Theatre
3) Paradox
Coming to bday as we know RL bday is a memory and they are just fixing it to make it a white cube. The bad part was parents death, Aldous fixed that for a white cube. They were killed in real life.

Now in Theatre
The incident is after the bday and aldous is bartender here. Which looks younger than the aldous in bday. And if aldous was his grandpa, Dale would have identified him in Theatre or paradox

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But in theatre he is like a normal person to dale

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Now coming to paradox

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In Paradox
We can't see Grandpa in Past mind, brain puzzle of sorting memory.

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And we see him as a therapist

azure bay
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Let me correct you a bit

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Theatre and Paradox therapy don't matter

bright parrot
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Why

azure bay
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He being younger in Theatre doesn't matter because he looks younger even than his current-self in Case 23, The Mill and The Cave

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there's no consistency about his age here

bright parrot
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I don't know the the timeline of the cave

azure bay
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easy

bright parrot
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But after aldous took the elixir he became immortal

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And must look same

azure bay
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Case 23 and The Mill: 1971-72
The Cave: 1972

bright parrot
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And who we play as

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Is that william

azure bay
bright parrot
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Or aldous

azure bay
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what r u talking about?

bright parrot
bright parrot
azure bay
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yes

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and we saw his reflection

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listen

bright parrot
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All ears mate

azure bay
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1971:
The Mill - Aldous is old
Theatre - Aldous is younger
1972:
The Mill, Case 23 - old again
The Cave - still old despite reconsuming elixir

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that's the problem

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he suddenly becomes young

bright parrot
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One more theory

azure bay
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speaking of Dale recognizing him in Theatre is debatable, because he probably didn't know how his grandpa looked when he was younger

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but he is more likely to recognize him in Case 23

bright parrot
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He didn't do that either

azure bay
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not Theatre

bright parrot
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I was counting the appearance

azure bay
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nor Paradox therapy (because he didn't see his human form there)

bright parrot
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But a little resemblance

azure bay
bright parrot
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Ok

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Listen bud

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According to me

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We are playing as dale all along

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The mill

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Case 23

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Cabin

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Everything

azure bay
bright parrot
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I know

azure bay
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confirmed personally by the devs

bright parrot
azure bay
bright parrot
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This is not about protagonist

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This is like a game in a gams

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We are dale

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And dale is kept in that whit cubeish place

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And all the memories

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Be it of laura

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Aldous

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Jakob

azure bay
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there's no need in placing Dale watching all the memories. It's overcomplicating things

bright parrot
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Are being put into him

bright parrot
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If he is the successor of the lake

bright parrot
azure bay
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it's too much of a claim with no evidence whatsoever. It's a fanfic, not theory

bright parrot
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A little evidence

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In mind puzzle of Paradox

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We see mill cubes

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Harvey's box cube

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Which don't belong there

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And that was the reason of origin of this theory

azure bay
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ok, but you go even further and stretch it over the whole series

bright parrot
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Maybe they are making dale a hive brain smth

bright parrot
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I can make kids stories plot complex

azure bay
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you'll be at that party alone

bright parrot
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What are your opinions

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Tell some of your ideas

azure bay
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I'm going to return to grandpa

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as I said, a good counter argument to Crow=grandpa is Dale not recognizing him in Case 23

bright parrot
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Lets assume

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Crow is grandpa

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What will it contribute to the plot

floral mauve
ebon aspen
azure bay
bright parrot
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That would be like
"Luke I'm your father"
Type thing

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Just a moment of shock

floral mauve
bright parrot
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And then everything back to normal

floral mauve
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I think the pistol one seems to be stronger

azure bay
bright parrot
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You sure pistol belonged to hotel

floral mauve
bright parrot
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Amogus

azure bay
floral mauve
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wdym memory impostor

azure bay
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for the memory sake

floral mauve
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is that the conclusion we got?

azure bay
floral mauve
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ehm

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I guess

bright parrot
bright parrot
azure bay
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Pheasant who used to work with Rabbit killed herself with it

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and then decades later it's at Vandermeer's

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that's it

floral mauve
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I have a fan fic going on in my mind

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Rabbit trying to save Pheasant or lets say sister since David got his memories back

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thats a nice story

bright parrot
bright parrot
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Gun belongs to lake

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The hotel

azure bay
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gun belongs to grandpa

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and it's the reason why Rabbit came

bright parrot
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For the gun

azure bay
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no gun, no massacre, no detective career, no Owl and his enlightenment

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(likely no detective career)

bright parrot
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How no gun

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Will make no messacre

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Rabbit had his own machine gun

azure bay
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he wouldn't come

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he would massacre elsewhere

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or do something else

bright parrot
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Performing at some other kids bday

azure bay
bright parrot
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If his goal was to stop massacre

#

He could have just done nothing

azure bay
#

I'm telling ya

#

Rabbit came for the pistol

#

he needed the pistol

#

no pistol, no Rabbit

#

it's easy

bright parrot
azure bay
#

"this substance from my past life is my only chance to escape this state"

#

he needed that to be reborn

bright parrot
#

How is pistol related to his past life

#

Dont lose your cool bud

azure bay
#

here we go again

bright parrot
#

My minds all fuzzy

#

Its 2 am here

azure bay
#

please just reread the convo

bright parrot
#

The past self of rabbit

azure bay
#

it's related to Rabbit

#

he looks differently because he died

#

I think he's a CS

#

some think he's already reborn and looks for another rebirth

bright parrot
#

According to me

#

White rabbit is

#

CS

azure bay
#

glad we agree here

#

not sure if your opinion is justified

bright parrot
#

It makes little sense

#

Coz white rabbit was floating

#

In hotel

#

Window

#

Which generally CS do

azure bay
#

quite a leap you made from white rabbit in Hotel to the one in Birthday

#

considering they don't look quite the same

bright parrot
#

Bday came just after Hotel

#

Expect some relation

azure bay
#

true

#

and yet you are able to find extra evidence

#

I believe in ya

bright parrot
#

I have like

#

Full map tyoe thingie

#

That detectives have

#

With rubber bands etc.

#

But in my brain

#

🙃

azure bay
#

no use if you can't navigate it

#

putting it on paper would also be useful

bright parrot
#

Its in my past brain

#

Now i am using my prsent brain

bright parrot
#

But thats a lot of work

azure bay
#

you bet

wind axle
#

i might actually make one regarding bob's accusations

bright parrot
#

Say

astral frost
#

only voice

azure bay
#

don't really think that will work

bright parrot
#

Was gonna say that

wind axle
#

HUH, i didn't know that the song when you touched the black mold in fall, i didn't know that that was harvey's song in reverse, thanks nowherecaw

#

i'm currently watching your theory videos

azure bay
bright parrot
#

Now we have gone a lot off topic

#

Sorry to say

azure bay
bright parrot
#

Lets get back before

#

Mods see us

covert wyvern
floral mauve
#

perhaps its too loud for me to identify the song

#

but I did get its Harvey's song

wind axle
#

according to nowhere it is in reverse

#

tbh i didn't even notice, i thought it was just a random song

#

kind of makes me wonder if the forest and harvey have a connection

floral mauve
#

if not 2024

wind axle
#

the same picture of the forest is seen again in laura's tv in seasons

#

hmmmm

floral mauve
wind axle
#

metro?

floral mauve
#

next game

#

seems to be related to Young Laura

#

and Rose

azure bay
floral mauve
#

and their journey in Metro

azure bay
#

the last time we saw Harvey was the lake forest

wind axle
#

PoggersDale oooooooooooo

wind axle
#

Anyone else wondering about the lake pre-Eilander?
Like an ancient civilisation or something?

azure bay
#

possibly with Harvey's origin story

#

less possibly with the lake's origin story

wind axle
#

Yeah i would LOVE to see Harvey's origin

azure bay
#

||MAMMOTH LIIIIIVES||

wind axle
#

But at the same time i like Harvey being this unknown creature too

#

I like the mystery behind them

ebon aspen
#

did i hear

#

ahem

#

harvey's game???

wind axle
#

HARVEYS GAME

ebon aspen
#

sheesh i just wanna know on whose head he bombed birdshit bf getting involved in owl's schemes

azure bay
#

not sure if 20k BC and possible Harvey's game seemingly teased in TPW would be the same project

ebon aspen
#

im still fond of the theory of his game being one of the last ones

#

he meets dale and they have a gooood quality time talking about whats going on

#

time travel to mammoth time travel to mammoth time travel to mammoth

azure bay
ebon aspen
#

exactly

azure bay
#

maybe some more origins

#

like the cult

#

or the lake itself for that matter

#

would be cool to meet the powers that be of ancient times

#

"primal Mr. Owl"

ebon aspen
#

Mr... Mammoth???

#

Oh my

real lantern
#

sounds like a lovely fella

bright parrot
ebon aspen
#

The devs posted smth on the blog a loooong time ago that featured an image with a mammoth and "20000 bc" written on it
We still wait for that fursome elephant to come back

azure bay
#

recently it's confirmed to be alive

ebon aspen
#

You mean bc of the road map?

wind axle
#

you know, i'm curious if cubes can be extracted from animals
we know IRL that animals have memory, even if that memory is very short [looking at you, bees with your 2 second memory span]
i kinda wonder if cubes can be made from animal memories

azure bay
wind axle
#

btw yes that is the biology fact of the day, bees have a 2.4 second memory span

azure bay
wind axle
#

you got a point

covert wyvern
#

Did I just get spoiled for oddtaxi

#

In theories

#

O my god

ebon aspen
# azure bay exactly

Welp, its not really alive (rip mammoth my friend)
But also, as much as i want way too much to see a stone age game, i also think the devs could just be throwing it in the roadmap as an easter egg
Its not like we will have smth for every single detail in it (frog's guesteria would be a great thing tho)

#

But yeah, the mammoth lives on

#

Please edit the message or delete and write a new one from scratch

vague imp
ebon aspen
#

Im lucky to have already watched the show, but dang

covert wyvern
#

I probably wasn't finishing it anyway lmaoo

bright parrot
#

Damn Android

covert wyvern
#

It's okay to just admit to your mistakes bud.

bright parrot
#

Never more sorry

covert wyvern
#

Anyway I'd like a RL mammoth game be it alive or dead:)

bright parrot
#

Its worst crime to spoil a series

covert wyvern
#

Obviously any prospect of a lake origin appearing in a game is cool

bright parrot
#

@azure bay
Remember when you said that why will devs complicate the plot.
The stuff that I say is less complicated that animal hybrids.
Plus I don't belive animal hybrids real.
If they are then we will soon receive a game on that.
Otherwise its like an Anime ODDTAXI

bright parrot
covert wyvern
#

I read every message that gets send in this server.

bright parrot
#

What is your opinion

#

Will RL be a family clash

#

Or open

covert wyvern
#

I have none, hence why I didn't respond yesterday:)

bright parrot
#

No Dale's past

ebon aspen
#

sorry but i really got confused

bright parrot
#

Have you seen oddtaxi

#

See it

#

What I am saying will be clear

ebon aspen
#

yep, and we arent using it as an example anymore bc of spoilers

bright parrot
#

So listen

#

There are no hybrids

#

And

ebon aspen
#

how come?

bright parrot
#

We are just seeing them

#

Coz hybrids dont make sense enough

ebon aspen
#

theyre part of the samsara cycle

#

the state right under enlightenment

bright parrot
#

Why owl got 2 hybrid forms

#

And why is there fluctuations is age of albert

ebon aspen
#

them not being real would be the same as stating the corrupted souls arent too

ebon aspen
bright parrot
#

Owl was fish in past

#

Maybe it was past

#

Forgot the tense

#

But he was fish

#

Bloop bloop

ebon aspen
#

it wasnt
owl shown to dale how he would end up soon, as a fish in the samsara room (or even a literal fish when he got reborn)

#

and paradox is, well, lots of delirium

#

its just like the possibility of crow infiltrating dale's memories in bday and stuff

#

that could easily not be the real jakob, but his projection in dale's mind

#

anyways, the anthros are real

vague imp
#

wait, dale is the protagonist in samsara?

covert wyvern
#

No

bright parrot
bright parrot
#

How is Albert able to use a voodoo

#

Its not easy nor everyone's cup of tea

analog yacht
#

probably found a book or something about it. I mean, Ida was a fortune teller. He could've learned from her, one way or another

bright parrot
analog yacht
#

and he had years

bright parrot
#

Plus How can Albert control weather by mask

#

Dude's SUS

wind axle
#

i would make a 'it's rusty lake weird shit can happen' but at the same time, that answer just don't cut it sometimes

bright parrot
#

Everything's got an answer
We just don't know it
Till we know it

wind axle
#

got any juicy theories about anything yall?

bright parrot
#

The reason why theory page is less active is because lack of plot.
It is requested that Plz start a Fanfic channel

covert wyvern
bright parrot
#

Here's a theory

#

That albert is a good guy

#

He is just less conscious than others because he had wine since birth

#

Its all William he is the bad guy

#

He is selfish

#

Taking family member sacrifices

#

And Maybe
Frank is Williams' Son

#

We don't know how emma got pregnant

#

Only Emma and Williams' soul (maybe coz we play as him) were at the scene

wind axle
#

i kind of wonder if it was williams idea for the sacrifices

analog yacht
#

we kinda do know how emma got pregnant though... and William was long dead by that time

wind axle
#

by the mysterious flower, which idk how that works but alright XD

analog yacht
#

same way how albert made rose in a jar

#

"The Lake Is Weird"

wind axle
#

well albert used alchemy [sort of] for that

analog yacht
#

sort of

#

and emma used.... garden witchery ig

bright parrot
analog yacht
#

we play as the ghost of william. The soul

#

not living william

#

william did not impregnate his grandniece

bright parrot
#

And william is responsible for frank ending up in swing.

floral mauve
#

I wont take all of the action we did as legit

bright parrot
#

More like his soul

bright parrot
#

RL has been clear abou who we play as in games

floral mauve
#

currently 2 options so far:

  1. Magical flower pregnancy
  2. Emma has several affairs outside the mansion
bright parrot
#

So there is no chance that what we do is done by someone else

bright parrot
#

Albert is a good guy

#

With bad circumstances

azure bay
wind axle
azure bay
#

Of course

#

For now I'm focusing on TPW

#

Let's plays, and about 2-3 essays

#

Depending on how cool the ARG will end up

wind axle
#

nice

wind axle
#

You know, i kinda wonder if someone would eventually snap at Mr crow
We know that Mr crow is immortal
But he likely ain't invincible xD

In all seriousness i might make an au where Dale or someone else just snaps and beats the shit out of or even kills Mr crow

I'm just curious as to what would happen

azure bay
#

like Owl will be reborn as a fish Crow will become something else as well

#

considering data we have, I guess he'll become a CS and go into the past to bring Albert madness and masks

wind axle
wind axle
azure bay
wind axle
#

If he didn't then who was that CS crow in roots lol

azure bay
#

I mean it's his future-self in my opinion

wind axle
#

Hm

azure bay
#

it's rare that you go corrupted and then just return back to normal

#

usually it requires quite an effort

#

so it's either his future-self or someone else

wind axle
#

I kinda wonder if Mr crow is corrupted post Hotel

We know that hotel takes place over the course of a week in 1893
When Albert is given the deer mask by the crow, it's 1896 bc that was during the lying gamw

floral mauve
#

Also I need someone to form an explanation for if Crow is the grandpa, how did he survive after a bullet in the head, don’t tell me he has a human mask on all the time but beneath he is asura

astral frost
#

I mean, in Birthday there's something like a time travel (even if I do not consider it a time travel)

floral mauve
#

idk but the current situation suggest it to us that crow is the owner of the pistol

#

Rabbit took it

floral mauve
#

it is certain that after the usage of blue cube, its fabricated more or less

astral frost
#

Dale's grandpa looks totally dead tbh

floral mauve
#

if he is crow how can he fake the death or survive after the bullet in the head

analog yacht
#

Wasn't all of birthday supposed to be a tweaked memory anyway? Even before the blue cube

astral frost
#

Since tpw I always consideres Birthday as an altered memory (+ the Birthday scene in Paradox without the grandpa)

floral mauve
wind axle
#

I like to think that Mr crow just self inserted him into Dale's memory, him being shot didn't actually happen bc he didn't exist in that memory

floral mauve
#

it has stronger evidence

analog yacht
#

We do certainly know that the entire thing is a memory though, because of Dale viewing his memories in the lake. The black cube

astral frost
#

I would also point out that Dale never recognized his possible grandpa in other circumstances

floral mauve
#

we do know there is a massacre

wind axle
#

And that Dale was the only survivor

floral mauve
analog yacht
#

But memories are fragile things. Things can change in your memory even without purposeful intervention. In fact, your memory changes a little every time you recall a memory

astral frost
wind axle
#

I like to think that Mr Crow inserted himself into Dale's memory cube bc as dale explains in i think case 23, the lake is changing his memories

analog yacht
#

could we consider the fact that the memory was a black cube that it was already corrupted and potentially made worse?

floral mauve
floral mauve
#

no evidence for it to be less true than the other ones

analog yacht
#

Hmmmm fair enough

floral mauve
#

seems all very fairly justified

#

or presented

bright parrot
analog yacht
#

That I know. But a cube memory can also be corrupted

#

As can the person, as seen in mill

bright parrot
#

Yes

floral mauve
bright parrot
#

But the objective is to make black cubes white not the opposite

analog yacht
#

They can fail

#

But fair enough

floral mauve
bright parrot
#

Consider the memory/person a patient

#

And Crow the doctor

#

The objective is to save the patient not to kill them.
(Here saving means preventing from forming a CS)

#

But due to some Complications a patient may die

#

The same is here

#

They can corrupt a memory
They just aren't doing it

azure bay
#

it was only once where he took a role of Dale's therapist for a day

#

never before, never after

bright parrot
#

I would love if you write as a crow I can confirm it here

azure bay
#

things COULD go differently

bright parrot
#

I know and we talked that

#

But being a fellow crow

#

You can confirm crows don't own degree

azure bay
#

see no obstacles

#

that's just one certain crow that doesn't have a degree we're talking about

bright parrot
#

I used the word consider there

#

We are just assuming positions

#

To understand things

azure bay
#

I don't get what positions you r talking about

bright parrot
#

Lemme come again

#

Lets assume

#

Or think

#

Just in brain

#

Only for better understanding

#

Not in game

#

That Crow (or who ever extracts memories) works like a doctor. He is not a doctor

#

We are assuming his work like that

#

And the people like laura (whose memories are to be extracted) are patients

#

And black cubes are the problems

#

So what a doctor does is fixes the problem

#

He can ruin it

#

But he doesn't

#

Coz that won't benifit him

#

Just like

#

Corrupting a memory wont help the lake

azure bay
# bright parrot Or think

Before going deep into reasoning I need you to answer 2 questions

  1. for what reason would I think so?
  2. for what purpose would I think so?
bright parrot
#

The simple ans is

#

Yes crow can corrupt the memory

#

But won't

#

Coz it will not benifit him

#

(Atleast till now)

azure bay
#

Crow's job is extracting memories and flushing them into the lake

Painful memories extraction has a chance to cause soul corruption, that's why is has to be performed carefully. However, nobody is protected from a human factor

bright parrot
#

He also fixes black cubes making them white and then extracting them

azure bay
#

and that was an exception

bright parrot
azure bay
bright parrot
# azure bay the only case was Dale

Only case we have seen is dale and laura (as far as I remember)

If I ever got a nickle for the person whose memories were extracted it would be 2 which is less but its shocking that it happened twice

azure bay
bright parrot
#

Yup the chosen one

#

Whose the third
Bob?

azure bay
#

Rabbit, I think. The reason he needed the pistol

bright parrot
#

No evidence

azure bay
#

also could be true for Pheasant

bright parrot
#

Then same can go for

#

Boar

#

Deer

azure bay
#

that's what Dale does in Birthday

bright parrot
azure bay
bright parrot
#

I am asking about extractions not about the existence of cube

#

Cubes were in paradise

#

But it was not revealed how they got there

azure bay
bright parrot
#

Or maybe paradise is also a memory

azure bay
bright parrot
azure bay
#

about what?

bright parrot
#

About our convo

azure bay
#

it's all over the place

#

a bit chaotic

bright parrot
#

We were talking about can crow corrupt cube

#

And then we go all

azure bay
bright parrot
azure bay
#

I think he can. I think he wouldn't. Just extra effort with no use

bright parrot
#

Exactly

#

I was saying this all the time

#

I gave you example

#

And then we drifted

azure bay
#

the thing is, nobody corrupts cubes

#

at least on purpose

bright parrot
#

Not that they can't

azure bay
#

I find this topic useless

bright parrot
#

Yup

azure bay
#

because nobody to my knowledge retroactively turned memories painful ever

#

I don't really get why you started speaking of cube corruption

bright parrot
#

The convo was about it

#

Can they corrupt a cube

#

Then why aren't they doing it

azure bay
bright parrot
#

Exactly

azure bay
#

then why asking?

bright parrot
#

Thats what I am saying

azure bay
#

why starting it all?

bright parrot
#

Ask the guy who asked

#

It wasn't me

#

I was just answering

azure bay
#

ok

bright parrot
#

You know me dude
I come up with indian soap level theories

#

Like family relations and all that

bright parrot
#

Coz devs brought him back
Out of blue

#

And maybe devs are not doing dale for sometime

#

Coz suspense

#

And hype

azure bay
bright parrot
#

Maybe she is jakobs relative

#

And is luring bob to lake

azure bay
bright parrot
azure bay
bright parrot
azure bay
bright parrot
#

Yes

#

Its common in movies

#

The relative ruins the plan

#

Coz love is in the air

azure bay
#

I'll be just ignoring this stuff from now on

bright parrot
covert wyvern
#

That's your right!

radiant hollow
#

omg thank you for this channel

#

it means so much

carmine elk
#

You’re funny

azure bay
open mirage
#

I have a theory that Dale's grandpa actually is Aldous Vanderboom aka Mr. Crow.

#

But Dale's grandpa never actually exists

#

Somehow Mr. Crow and Mr. Owl must have altered it.

#

To support the theory, in Paradox, in the brain of the past and in the puzzle of his mind, only his mom and dad were consistently present

#

No sign of his grandpa

#

So in the original course of events only his mom and dad died as they were the only ones along with him in the first place.

#

I don't know if this is already clarified, discussed or proven as I'm very new to this series. Feel free to mention any games as I've played all of them.

azure bay
#

I've never heard such variation before

bright parrot
#

Thats seen somewhere

#

Ahhhhhhh

#

Who said that

#

🤔🤔🤔

azure bay
bright parrot
#

Btw sorry crow dude

#

I killed the vibe

#

Yesterday

open mirage
#

Only within the altered memory

azure bay
open mirage
#

Plus after the altered events he does not flinch

azure bay
#

here we go again 🙂

azure bay
open mirage
#

Dale said he had hazy memories at the start

#

So he probably was confused and believed it

azure bay
#

so u're saying that he pretends to be his grandpa?

bright parrot
#

I have a new point on this theory.

Dale's grandpa does not look like dale or his father.

But Dale's father look like dale

open mirage
azure bay
bright parrot
#

Explain plz

English is not my first lang

open mirage
#

We would never know

bright parrot
#

Ok
One more point

#

Dale's grandpa is bald

#

And dale and his father isn't

#

Baldness is genetic

azure bay
open mirage
#

Also one more thing

#

After the altered events, Dale's parents are confused and scared while his grandpa laughs..

#

The grandpa also asks for a gun

#

How does he know what's gonna happen ?

open mirage
# bright parrot Baldness is genetic

Though I don't know how much this could prove the theory, I think resemblances within the characters might work. So let me see if I can catch any.

bright parrot
#

One more thing

#

Dale's mother looks like sarah

#

From TWD

bright parrot
azure bay
bright parrot
#

But dale and his father look almost identical

#

He looks like dale with moustache

azure bay
#

you could argue that Crow's nose looks like theirs

open mirage
#

Aldous and Dale's grandpa have eyes with the entire inner part is black

azure bay
open mirage
#

The other characters kind of have dot eyes

azure bay
azure bay
azure bay
bright parrot
#

I am curious about the blue cube

#

It was in cave

#

And bday

azure bay
#

and Seasons

bright parrot
#

Any other game

open mirage
#

I had a weird feeling that the Blue cube was a drug that altered memories.

azure bay
#

blue cubes makes time go back (a least)

#

considering Seasons, could make them go forward

bright parrot
#

I forgot where was it in seasons

open mirage
#

So it's a kind of time changing device ?

bright parrot
#

Can you send the timestamp from walkthrough video

azure bay
bright parrot
azure bay
bright parrot
#

Coz same was done in bday

bright parrot
#

But cubes are memories

azure bay
#

it's time

azure bay
bright parrot
#

And actually that was my 2nd question

#

The use of memories by

#

Normal person

#

In game is not clear

#

How can a person hold and use memories

#

Maybe thats all in mind

bright parrot
azure bay
#

it's marked with a clock

#

and you use it to make the clocks go back and forth

bright parrot
#

But only in memory

#

Not irl

open mirage
bright parrot
#

Time already goes forward

#

Time going forward is normal

azure bay
bright parrot
#

Whose reality

#

Their

#

Or ours

#

Coz if thats for their reality that makes sense

azure bay
#

who are "they"?

bright parrot
#

The game character

#

The rusty lake

azure bay
#

I see no sense in going IRL

bright parrot
#

You don't see CS every other day

open mirage
#

I don't understand exactly what happened there...

covert wyvern
#

@bright parrot Estelle made a mistake, they're talking about TWD

#

which does not need to be spoiler marked.

bright parrot
#

DamnI was scared to hell

covert wyvern
#

O you should be

bright parrot
#

I have not played TPW

covert wyvern
#

Stop minimodding or be muted.

bright parrot
#

Sorry for being paranoid

open mirage
#

I'm sorry for the mistake

covert wyvern
#

A simple typo happens, don't worry about it:)

bright parrot
#

It was my mistake

open mirage
open mirage
bright parrot
#

Yeah so what were you saying