🤔｜theories

[bright parrot]

Except that

Get well soon phd

[real lantern]

He's looking at stuff surrounding the victim's life to try and understand what happened

Also, thanks

[rigid silo]

hes looking at the scene and the evidence

thats what they do lol

[bright parrot]

That's some adventurous groundwork

The catch is

[rigid silo]

they just live in a weird world

[bright parrot]

We all forget to think about the killer of laura

We all are like

Lake this

Lake that

Maybe its all related to killer

[rigid silo]

most of the focus of the games are on lauras death and her killer

[fallen linden]

isn't there a theory that she commited suicide

[floral mauve]

you are right there!

also we have evidence

The Cave part 2

submarine

she cut open her own throat

It was black cube I believe

now the only counter evidence we have is, she might be influenced by the other factors of doing that

such as her inner CS

like Van Gogh

[floral mauve]

either Laura CS or William CS

nevertheless

more counter points of that

why would they want Laura to be dead? Is it easier to take over her body? Why would they do that

anyway

It seems like I am talking to myself

sorry for spamming

[covert wyvern]

Eh it's fine

[fallen linden]

yeah it looks like she cuts it herself under influence of her cs

[floral mauve]

thats why its hard to define suicide

technically, if thats her own CS

she cut her own throat

thats suicide...

right?

[fallen linden]

yep but if it's william's it's murder

[floral mauve]

or is it

same soul

remember

[covert wyvern]

I'd argue that's still suicide.

Bit that's Extreme subjective I guess

[floral mauve]

exactly

its just same event

[fallen linden]

yea

[floral mauve]

but different perspective

I love interpreting stories

[real lantern]

Well, thats leads to a more philosophical question, is it still suicide if its the phisical manisfetation of the bad things you lived killing you?

[rigid silo]

id say its suicide

if someone tells someone else to shoot a person, theyre both charged with murder still (second degree granted)

suicide/assisted suicide

[floral mauve]

thats what I have been thinking, because afterall, suicide is the only serious philosophical question (quote Albert Camus)

[covert wyvern]

Calling my boy phoenix wright for this brb

[astral frost]

what's more, Bob came to know that Laura committed suicide (only some characters knew all the stuff involving Laura)

[rigid silo]

crack theory that this is all just dales guilt fuelled nightmare after not being able to save his family on his birthday

[astral frost]

and so all the "normal" people all around

[rigid silo]

so hes haunted by a murder of a woman he cant solve

[floral mauve]

I mean he saw it on the news?

[astral frost]

yeah

[bright parrot]

But why is dale seeing laura if he don't know her

[rigid silo]

as i said, crack theory, but you can see unknown people in dreams lol

shes a generic lookin woman

[bright parrot]

You can't see unknown people in dream

That's a fact

[rigid silo]

its not a fact lol

people say its a fact

but its made up to say the spoopy “oooh youve seen everything in your nightmares before” thing

[bright parrot]

I think

Dale investigated laura

[rigid silo]

find me any study that says its a proven fact and ill change my mind on that

[bright parrot]

And he is suffering with

Schizophrenia

Or smth like that

[real lantern]

Well, the thing is, do we believe that it was laura's CS that killed her or was it william's? Or are they even distinct CS's

[bright parrot]

Are they even CS

If they are alive

How can laura and Laura's cs exist at same time

That proves it is a murder

[rigid silo]

mayb its like a jekyll and hyde thing

where theyre the same person but the ‘good’ and the ‘bad’ parts

[bright parrot]

It was split personality

But here we can see 2 different people

And that contradicts the theory of Laura's suicide or murder by william cs

[real lantern]

Well, laura is a bit of a special case because she is william reborn

[fallen linden]

actually no everyone u've seen in ur dreams u've seen somewhere

[bright parrot]

But soul is one

[fallen linden]

on the streets, in school, somewhere

[rigid silo]

nah

[covert wyvern]

I'm

Axing the dream conversation

That's not leading as anywhere and we'll just go in circles.

Feel free to keep discussing the duality of Laura's soul, though.

[bright parrot]

Conclusion
Laura was murdered by someone else's CS
Now who???

Or is it a normal murder
And dale is suffering from schizophrenia

[real lantern]

Dont we see that it is laura's corrupted soul in the paradox movie?

[floral mauve]

thank you thank you

[real lantern]

We see as the corrupted soul separates from her and then slices her throat

[floral mauve]

anyway, I wrote all Laura suicide things here, feel free to scroll a bit

[astral frost]

in Paradox, it's Dale the one killing Laura

[floral mauve]

to some extent, maybe in a moral way

he was killing Laura if he gave up

saving her

but I cant judge

obviously

self sacrifice is pure altruism

[astral frost]

yeah that's a good interpretation in my opinion

[bright parrot]

How can laura and her CS exist as 2 personalities together
If what stray said was true

[floral mauve]

I once formed a theory but a bit too far fetched and gave up

It was about Laura's CS wants to end her Human form's suffering so CS just...yea

[covert wyvern]

I've in the past proposed laura and William are two souls in the same body

[floral mauve]

indeed

thats another way

[covert wyvern]

But It's probably an impossibility considering the Samsara wheel

[floral mauve]

but as I said

[covert wyvern]

Ye

[floral mauve]

Why would william do that if he wants to sort of live?

[real lantern]

Maybe laura's soul is formed of both frank and leonard's soul

[floral mauve]

he would rather destroy something that he cant get?

[floral mauve]

thats the only explanation for William I can think of

[floral mauve]

interesting point, could u elaborate

[real lantern]

Well, frank and leonard are both grabbed by the roots of the family tree in the end of roots, just all the other sacrifices

[floral mauve]

ehm

[floral mauve]

the problem with this is that Rose's soul is not fused neither

so I guess its still no strong evidence we got

My gramma has a stroke

forgive me

[real lantern]

Do we know when william dies?

Like, the season?

Maybe the clock has some protecting properties, considering that william's body stayed there atleast from spring 1860 to summer 1860 and there isnt any decomposition

William dies in 1859, so its got to be atleast a few months that he's been in that grandfather clock

[astral frost]

always thought it happened in 1859, and some months after James received the letter from Aldous/Jakob

[bright parrot]

William comes out of clock in many games
Like in samsara room

[vague imp]

So you are thinking that william is time itself?

[real lantern]

Yes, but samsara room isnt the real world, in roots we are in the real rusty lake world, not a memory or a sort of "in-between" place

[bright parrot]

Is there even a theory in game
Or devs are just watching us saying crazy things to each other

I just broke the 4th wall🙃

[vague imp]

Maybe they change rhe lore depending on best theories

[bright parrot]

But the thing is

[real lantern]

The devs havent revealed anything directly

[vague imp]

Like.. I would change my story if some guy thought of something better

[bright parrot]

We all say what we already know

No one adds something new

[vague imp]

We know that the past is not even past

[bright parrot]

I am that f'ed up I am questioning my own relaity

Like am I really breaking 4th wall

Or am I just mad

[vague imp]

Thats the point

[real lantern]

I don't think so, that would be too cheap, they definetly already have the way they want to tell this story in their heads

[bright parrot]

Explain

[vague imp]

I think the story is a loop

We dont know the timeline

[bright parrot]

What loop

[vague imp]

Idk

[bright parrot]

Then how do you know it's a loop

[vague imp]

But in many games they say the past is not even past

[bright parrot]

And how does it mean past is not past

[bright parrot]

Best I can think of it is

[vague imp]

Their words

[bright parrot]

That the past we see through dale is

Altered

And that explains how past is not past

[real lantern]

They say that the past is never dead its not even past because of the golden cubes, which are shown to affect time

[vague imp]

Ohhhh

That affects my theory

[bright parrot]

Phd

Explain
White,black and gold cube

[real lantern]

Good memories, bad memories, time altering shenanigans in that order

[bright parrot]

When did golden cube altered time

[real lantern]

Birthday

[bright parrot]

*shenanigans 😈

Gold cube in bday

When

[real lantern]

You put the gold cube in the clock in the wall and time reverses to before mr.rabbit came in and murdered everyone

[bright parrot]

Yeaah

Any other game

Maybe it was in cave

[ivory girder]

thats blue cube not golden cube 😭

[real lantern]

SHOOT, you're right

[bright parrot]

Bro got point

[real lantern]

Sorry about that

[bright parrot]

Phd 0
Random dude 1

[real lantern]

I got the blue cube and golden cube confused, thats all

[ivory girder]

golden cube only exists in cave and paradox afaik

[covert wyvern]

@bright parrot don't correct people's English without their permission.

[bright parrot]

I never did that

[covert wyvern]

Sure.

[bright parrot]

I am not correcting it

I am just repeating it

I just love that word

Maybe phd wrote it correct (yup he did)

[bright parrot]

So coming back
Random cubes like blue and golden are not shown correctly
Will they ever return

@real lantern maybe golden cube is for memory altering

[real lantern]

No, thats the blue cube

[bright parrot]

Blue is for time altering

[real lantern]

Maybe i didnt express myself correctly, i meant time altering as in altering time in the memories

[bright parrot]

Maybe cubes don't exist in real

Its all in memories

[real lantern]

Because birthday is dale revisiting his own manipulated memories while being guided by Mr.owl

[bright parrot]

Only golden cube exist

[real lantern]

We see the cubes exist in real life in games like the mill

[covert wyvern]

And real life;)

But I admit that's a cool Theory.

[real lantern]

And in real life with the ARG

[bright parrot]

Like damy got blue cube

And she is the new thanos

That would be so cool

[bright parrot]

I doubt the existence of mill incedent

[real lantern]

And why is that?

[bright parrot]

Idk why but I am just not convinced enough by RL the mill

Coz there is not prior context

They be like
Boom
You are someone now

Idk who

People say it's albert

[real lantern]

You play as Mr.crow in the mill

[sage token]

Yup

[covert wyvern]

It's actually set up rather well

[bright parrot]

The mill guy is the boatman

[bright parrot]

I am currently seeing it all again
brb

[covert wyvern]

Exactly! A very important character right

[bright parrot]

Is that sarcasm

[real lantern]

Who happens to be mr.crow

[bright parrot]

No he is not mr crow

[covert wyvern]

Except he is.

[bright parrot]

Mr crow is albert

Is he aldous

[real lantern]

Ok, tgat came out of left field

[covert wyvern]

It sort of did and I'm into it

But I don't agree

[bright parrot]

But aldous already became mr crow when he was with william

[real lantern]

I think you're confusing aldous with albert

[bright parrot]

Mr. Crow/albert is the bartender in RL theatre

Sry aldous

My bad

[fallen linden]

is there any evidence for or against the boatman being aldous

[real lantern]

Ok that makes more sense

In case 23 you cut the stitching in his mouth and he turns into the crow

[covert wyvern]

I think the most obvious is probably Aldous being portrayed as such in case 23 I guess?

[real lantern]

In the cave you play as mr.boatman and when he drinks the elixir he turns into mr.crow

And in secret level of roots

[bright parrot]

The biggest evidence is birth of Mr. Crow
In RL ROOTS

[bright parrot]

Nope
You play as aldous

[fallen linden]

ohh

[real lantern]

Ok, im gonna send some screenshots, brb

[bright parrot]

Sure

[real lantern]

I actualy gotta get to chapter 3 of case 23

[bright parrot]

This is from the mill

[bright parrot]

Send it from walkthrough

[real lantern]

Good idea

[bright parrot]

I always do that

Damn

Magician never reveals his tricks

[real lantern]

There's the boatman turning into mr.crow

[fallen linden]

ok I think that confirms it lmao

[real lantern]

Yes, thats what im saying, you play as aldous who is the boatman

[fallen linden]

mr crow = aldous = boatman

[bright parrot]

Ohhh yeah

But how did aldous land in this position

How did he become human again

Whe he got stitches

We are dale

Exploring Aldous place

[fallen linden]

how does this prove we're dale?

we're reading a message addressed to mr crow

this seems to imply moreover that we're mr crow right

[bright parrot]

I proved that above

[sage token]

Dale is on the other side of the phone

[real lantern]

In the mill we see mr.owl do some magic to an unconsious dale to make it rain

[sage token]

We're talking to Dale

[bright parrot]

No

[sage token]

As crow

Yes

[bright parrot]

Check the walkthrough for once

[fallen linden]

that's what I thought

[floral mauve]

I see familiar faces

[sage token]

I was confused about it too for a while

[real lantern]

And with the phone dale is on the side, we are seeing the same conversation as in case 23

[sage token]

Mill takes place at the same time as Case 23

[bright parrot]

No

[real lantern]

But from mr.crow's side

[bright parrot]

Maybe yeah you are right

Dale does say fate in one game

[bright parrot]

Sry phd
I caused a bit of confusion

Now I am sure we are mr crow here

[real lantern]

It is verbatim to the phone call in case 23, so unless you're saying that we dont play as dale in case 23 dale has to be on the other side of the phone

[floral mauve]

Ah yes, complex analysis

[bright parrot]

Agreed

[real lantern]

Also we litteraly see dale on the other side of the lake in the mill, so there's no way we're dale

[bright parrot]

The reason why crow brought dale to cabin

And what dale will do

But we don't know why dale

[fallen linden]

Ic

[real lantern]

In case 23 dale finds the two cubes in the church and then he gets brought to the cabin, so that checks out

[fallen linden]

this link between case 23 and mill is interesting

do we ever the see the phone call in paradox from the other person's perspective?

[floral mauve]

Dale was the sort of chosen one and then case 23 was a test to confirm whether he is truly the one

Then

[fallen linden]

so laura's death was a test?

[floral mauve]

By the end of the cave, he will face his final challenge to prove that he is sort of worthy?

[floral mauve]

Maybe, but I think it’s destiny

[bright parrot]

Both are in same timeline

[real lantern]

When is that phone call again? Chapter 1 or 2?

[floral mauve]

I think it’s chapter 1 but I might be wrong

Its also in the film

[bright parrot]

Its important all of you read this

RL MILLS AND RL CASE23 ARE IN SAME TIME WATCH THEM TOGETHER TO SEE THE RESEMBLENCE

[fallen linden]

there's one in chapter 1 and two in chapter 2

as far as I remember

[floral mauve]

If u include Johnson and crow

[fallen linden]

chapter 2 has the present mind one (burn soul) and also the calling the magic rabbit

[floral mauve]

Bird food

[fallen linden]

Oh I forgot the bird food

so chapter 2 has three

chapter 1 has only one though as far as I remember

[floral mauve]

It was just owl saying stuff

I think

A place to relax and empty your mind thingy

[fallen linden]

yep

[bright parrot]

The room in the back
Is it from seasons

[covert wyvern]

Seemingly yes

[real lantern]

That one might have been mr.crow speaking because of the voice

[floral mauve]

Ah yes

[real lantern]

But then again, it is bob rafferty that does the vlice for both LMAO

[floral mauve]

No it’s Bob speaking

[covert wyvern]

Rusty Lake live action movie and they just do all the voices:)

And roles!!

[floral mauve]

Tbh

I don’t think I remember crow saying tonnes of stuff

It’s always owl the wordy introduction guy

So i believe it’s still owl but I ain’t sure

[real lantern]

I mean, in most games he doesnt have a voice, he just makes crow noises when he taljs

[floral mauve]

[azure bay]

Corrupted Souls speak that more often than Crow. Plus, I don't think Crow would ask for searching for him in the past

[bright parrot]

Crow spoke in case 23 and mills

Same lines

[real lantern]

Actualy, why does mr.crow speak with the thing where you talk backwards and reverse the track, when thats something thatmostly corrupted souls do

[bright parrot]

Maybe he was corrupted for a sec

He is showing small signs of corruption slowly he will become a CS

[azure bay]

Some of the same lines

The others are different

And the message overall deviates

In The Mill it was "leave memories behind"

Not what Laura does in Seasons

[azure bay]

And you simply don't go corrupted for a sec

Removing corruption is one hell of a task

[azure bay]

I think it's all because his mouth's sewed

He speaks CSish only when in the mill

[astral frost]

• his voice was never revealed before that game

maybe they decided to develop him as a "normal person", while before he was more a misterious entity

[bright parrot]

Laura is not corrupted by any event.
She is corrupted by birth

[sage token]

That's an interesting take 🤔 It makes sense to me since William was corrupted and achieve his reincarnation through unethical means, plus the whole reincarnation kinda loopholed around the "one with die and the other will become enlightened" thing

[bright parrot]

How and when was william corrupted

Bt this is Laura's birth scene from roots

[bright parrot]

Have you seen in some movies a character goes mad or smth.

He shows a few signs
Goes mad for moment like that.

[ebon aspen]

Thats william's soul
Upon rebirth, the soul is renewed, since it started another stage on samsara

Laura just got corrupted way after

[sage token]

If I remember correctly, in Roots we see us as him in a mirror, corrupted

[bright parrot]

But the soul is same
That is what makes both laura and william related

[sage token]

Oh plus Samsara Room

[bright parrot]

Coz we play as him in soul form

[azure bay]

That's just not true. All samsara material say she's human. While corrupted soul is a different state of existence

"Extraction of the memories caused a corrupted soul, one of the 6 stages of the wheel"

[azure bay]

This is William gradually transforming. He becomes Laura only in the end

[azure bay]

Using other movie tropes is a slippery road.

Nobody guarantees the devs watch them.

Plus that wouldn't make sense. We play as Crow in The Mill, we speak as him to Dale and Laura. CS are generally agressive and unintelligent and he definitely isn't.

Also sounds like "death isn't an excuse to stop working"

[bright parrot]

@real lantern

Remember yesterday we talked about cubes
So listen the conclusion
We get all three cubes in
RL the Cave

Then we put that in a machine which makes a golden cube.
Now dale is free from the lift journey we give him the cube
Andddd.
To be continued.....

[covert wyvern]

yep those sure are the events as they happen in Cube Escape the cave.

[bright parrot]

Now Dale's story will move in present

But I have some doubts related to timeline

Like how can aldous change his form with his choice.

We saw mr owl changing his form just once in RL PARADOX

[real lantern]

We also see that in the cave

[bright parrot]

Give timestamp or explain

[real lantern]

Before we get on the submarine we free a person from a diver's suit and give them the elixir, they turn into mr owl

[bright parrot]

Coz that guy is mr owl

[real lantern]

And can then turn back into the bald guy if you tap on them

[bright parrot]

But how and why

Do you want to say that mr owl too can change his form

[real lantern]

Yes

Because we see that happen

[bright parrot]

So Hotel guest too

[real lantern]

Maybe

[bright parrot]

But that's doesn't make sense

Then why would they like to look hybrid

Like power rangers without power

Just Ranger

And are there hybrids that look human but are hybrids

[real lantern]

Thats assuming something you dont know, maybe they like looking like animals in front of fellow enlightened

Maybe they dont feel comfortable looking like Mr.owl's family in front of him

Theres 100 possible explanations

[bright parrot]

Signature look of superiority

[real lantern]

Thats possible too

[bright parrot]

All this is like cheese
(Lot of holes)
It may take like 20-30 games for story

[bright parrot]

Thats a meme 🙃

[real lantern]

Thats possible, but also maybe it gets explained in the train game, maybe it gets explained in an easter egg in the past within, who knows

[bright parrot]

Phd what do you think and know about corrupted souls

What it take to be a hybrid

[azure bay]

The Cave is just a beginning of that trip

[bright parrot]

Yes

The present trip

The past is over

Apperantly

[azure bay]

man, there's only one trip

A trip through the lake with its cubes

and I can prove it

[bright parrot]

All ears mate

Edit- eyes 👀

[azure bay]

1. When Dale stood up he started flickering between human and corrupted state. When we see him in Birthday-Theatre he's still flickering

2. Birthday-Theatre is Dale riding by the cubes floating around the lake so is the trip seen by Owl in the prophecy that is to end at the hotel

The Cave machine is exclusively about Paradox without an apparent beginning, ending with the elevator and the cube

in ch2 secret ending that is

while Birthday and Theatre both begin and end with said elevator

the same elevator Harvey rides in Rusty Lake Hotel game

[bright parrot]

Listen

1st harvey rides same elevator
Because that room and whatever dale is in is part of hotel

2nd Currently dale was in his altered memories now he is free

And maybe now he will be the fate of hotel

[azure bay]

exactly, and it means that the Birthday-Theatre elevator is real

[azure bay]

memories are cubes

floating around the lake

[bright parrot]

Actually both are imaginary

[azure bay]

please, don't disappoint me like that

[bright parrot]

So how are they connected to lift
Lift ain't no rollercoaster

[bright parrot]

Sorry bud

But both are past

In his mind

And giving him the illusion

While he is sitting

In the whote room

[real lantern]

The elevator is real, the cubes are real, whenever he enters a cube what happens there might be manipulated to help him in some way

[azure bay]

of course the memories are past but you enter them from the present. You can look in them, you can relive them, that's what the whole series is about

[high talon]

So Dale's a unreliable narrator somewhat

[bright parrot]

How are memories real
I mean how is he living them like it is today

[bright parrot]

Yes
But the younger him

[azure bay]

kind of. occasionally. but it's not his fault

[bright parrot]

We play RL Bday as kid dale

[real lantern]

This is litteraly a series where people turn into animald, occams razor can only go so far lmao

[high talon]

That's fair

[azure bay]

you have to replay the series. because so many games speak of memories being stored in cubes. Pretty much physical objects

we look for them in Paradise

We extract them in The Mill

[bright parrot]

I kinda know
But we are not present dale in them

[azure bay]

we recover them in The Cave

[high talon]

So what I'm getting is
Dale's a unreliable narrator somewhat atleast due to things outta his control

[azure bay]

I don't mean it's present Dale, I mean there's only one trip of present Dale reliving his past memories while going upwards

[bright parrot]

Agreed

[high talon]

So it could be what we see is either real or fake (atleast if we consider reality)

[azure bay]

that's true only for 3 games

[bright parrot]

3 memories

Bday
Theatre

And

[azure bay]

Birthday, Theatre and Paradox

[high talon]

Well yeah but it's still semi true from what I got?

[bright parrot]

Paradox is not true
Maybe dale was never there

[azure bay]

Paradox is more complex but still a memory

a memory of a dream

[bright parrot]

But he does not remember

[bright parrot]

How I need proof

[high talon]

Lucid dream maybe?

[bright parrot]

It maybe a dream not a memory of dream

[azure bay]

Dale, as you said, is connected to a machine unconscious. In the ending he's still unconscious and sees everything around himself as the Ch2 secret ending. Therefore, it's a dream.

Originally it was just a dream but its architects put a cube of this very dream in its end. And cubes are memories. When he enters said memory he watches the dream from the beginning and in the end finds its cube again and so forth.

So it's a dream transitioning into a looping memory of itself

[bright parrot]

So loke he finda another memory in a game and then goes into it and cycle continues

[bright parrot]

Vanderboom have same sets of siblings
1 sister 2 brother
Emma, albert, samuel
Rose, frank, leonard

So there is a chance that aldous and william may have a sister who was married so don't live with them or is dead

And there can be 2 brothers of laura
Sons of frank and leonard

It's just a thought

Can be just a coincidence

[ebon aspen]

aldous and william having a third sibling is a very recurrent theory, it would explain how none of them seem to be james' dad
i doubt laura has any brother considering how she was born, unless rose married after giving her birth and had 2 kids (that would be kinda weird to be introduced at this point of the story), id say that bit is a no-no
but i do like the trios thingy tho, i usually take laura/dale/bob crew as the new one since theyre the newest gen

[delicate atlas]

Oooh that's an interesting idea

[delicate atlas]

That's an interesting take as well

A trio that isn't related for a change

[ebon aspen]

(and just to make things clear, rose, frank and leo arent sibs, but i get the trio thing)

[delicate atlas]

But linked with the case rather than blood

[delicate atlas]

Well.....

Considering the way Rose was born, I'm pretty sure she's Leonard's half sister

But also cousin

[ebon aspen]

oh, that yeah

[delicate atlas]

Courtesy of funny jar man

[ebon aspen]

best part of that theory? the 3rd person with aldous and william is the dog and in the james/mary group we have the ring hand
all the pieces fit together!

[bright parrot]

Maybe those three are related but they don't know

Incest is not thet odd in RL as Rose and Frank liked each other

[bright parrot]

Sort of cousins

[bright parrot]

Then the hand must belong to someone
A male

[ebon aspen]

Ehh i prefer to think rl isnt all about one big family quarrel
Dale could be from a family bastardized by crow and that would explain why his grandpa is identical to aldous? Yes
Bob could be somehow related to the vanderboom and/or eilanders? Sure
But why?

[bright parrot]

Eilanders are dead

And Dale's grandpa does not exist neither does blue cube

If Dale's grandpa was real

Then why is he not in newspaper articles

[bright parrot]

From roots and paradise
You can't think more of it

Family underestimated you

You go boom boom

Btw is damy there or is she sleeping with screen on

[ebon aspen]

It mustnt in the end of the day tbh, aside from the possibility of aldous and william having another sib (which is, in its turn, totally irrelevant up until now), so far the trio thingy is nothing more than a mere coincidence (in-universe ofc, the devs prolly did that on purpose, either if its for roots' gameplay sake or for future developments)

[bright parrot]

But eilanders were a trio too

Third is a charm

[ebon aspen]

And i prefer to not dwell too much over things that doesnt change anything (in other terms, its on my text notes, but not highlighted)

[bright parrot]

It ain't no coincidence

Like a new villian every season

They may also bring characters

[ebon aspen]

By now i just take it as a rule of thumb from the devs' so the games' casts get enough different characters to never bore the players, in the end trios are present all over lots of stories so its no surprise they did it in rl too
But again, its nice to mark it in the book to revisit it in case future developments bring that back to the spotlight

[bright parrot]

👍

[azure bay]

If James isn't Aldous' son then there must be a 3rd brother otherwise he wouldn't keep the last name

[azure bay]

Nobody is in the newspaper article if I recall it correctly

[bright parrot]

To keep the trio

3rd sibling is a she

[azure bay]

Dude, you are applying a pattern created by your own brain.

While in the reality we either have nobody 3rd or it's likely a male, considering the evidence we have

[bright parrot]

What evidence for a male

I know I am making a wild guess

And making a 3rd character female will not make a huge change

[bright parrot]

Yep
But
Where is grandpa here

[azure bay]

1st of all, I agree with you for my personal reasons.

But still, I think grandpa's abscence in Paradox isn't compelling enough as evidence

Tell me

Where would you place him there?

Physically

[bright parrot]

personal?

I. No need to tell

If you don't want to

[bright parrot]

On the sofa

And the thing is

Only grandpa messed up with timeline

He killed rebbit

[azure bay]

I wouldn't have problems with grandpa being Crow if it wasn't rendering the universe small

[bright parrot]

Etc.

He knew rabbit was coming

[azure bay]

There's no sofa in ch2

It's replaced with chairs

[bright parrot]

Then chair maybe

[azure bay]

What chair?

Where?

[bright parrot]

What about this

[bright parrot]

Drop that for now

Lemme ask you smth

If you know something

Like I have 20 bucks

And I reverse tims

To the time you don't remember I have 20

Will you remember thta

But grandpa did

Not that I have 20 bucks
But that Rabbit will kill

[azure bay]

I'm sure it was Dale who said everyone. Father even asks "how did you know".

And grandpa was the only adult cool enough to take him seriously.

Plus, we already have Dale speaking without us hearing. In a secret scene of TWD he asks Bob for memories what we don't realize in Case 23

Also

Your "grandpa knew" is actively used to prove that he's actually Crow

[bright parrot]

I don't deny that he is Mr. Crow

All I am Saying is

That he does not belong there

Dale is sent to Birthday scene by Mr. Owl

And Mr. Owl is fixing his traumatic memories

[azure bay]

I say that people use the same argument to prove that he belongs there

[bright parrot]

Like he fixed the memory of death of his parents in RL bday

[azure bay]

You don't have to explain this to me. We already agree. (It seems)

[bright parrot]

Yes

All I am saying is he was not there at the time of murder

He is in the memory

The grandpa

[azure bay]

But Crow and Dale are relatives, you think?

[bright parrot]

Not direct relative maybe

But they must be linked somehow

[azure bay]

Nope c:

[bright parrot]

Like Crow is not Dale's grandpa

[azure bay]

They don't have to be linked to move the story forward

[bright parrot]

BTW I just thought that bob looks like someone from RL

But forgot who

[bright parrot]

Yep

[azure bay]

I don't think this resemblance is strong enough to be noted

[bright parrot]

Still

[azure bay]

It's the same art style kind of resemblance

[bright parrot]

Any opinion

Like who he looks like

[azure bay]

Before Paradox global redesign Bob resembled van Gogh the most appearance and action-wise

[bright parrot]

And is van Gogh related or they just put him coz they ran out of ideas
Edit -Homage

[azure bay]

That wasn't idea hunger. It was an hommage

[bright parrot]

Van Gogh had a bit triangular face and bob is blocky

[bright parrot]

Yeah sry

[azure bay]

Both bearded redheads shooting themselves in a head with a revolver. That kind of resemblance

[bright parrot]

I meant face resemblance

[covert wyvern]

Just like all dutchees

[bright parrot]

Sup damy

Do you even sleep

[covert wyvern]

The moon, for now.

No

I'm a robot

[bright parrot]

00101 001 1101

[covert wyvern]

But that's not relevant to theories.

[bright parrot]

Its 1 nov yeeeee

But its 1 nov 😭
Long way to go

NNN

[covert wyvern]

Also not relevant to theories.

[bright parrot]

Finished here

So coming back to pint

Damy

Who do you think

Bob's face

Resembles

[covert wyvern]

/shrug Bob.

[bright parrot]

In game character

[covert wyvern]

O okay discord

[azure bay]

Funny enough, nobody theory worthy (maybe except for van Gogh)

[bright parrot]

Maybe william

He got a block face

[azure bay]

And nothing else

[bright parrot]

Shall we drop this then

[azure bay]

I guess so

[bright parrot]

So it is then

You got a new thought mr crow

[azure bay]

Despite loving Mr. Crow the history decided that I'm not him

So call me either noWhere or nowHere

[bright parrot]

Something small

4 letter

That starts with c

Ends with w

[azure bay]

nwh

[bright parrot]

You got something nwh

[azure bay]

I always have something

[bright parrot]

Shoot

[azure bay]

The problem is, I have so many of thing to say I don't always remember what I already told and definitely don't know where to start

[bright parrot]

Ok here's one

Acc. To me

What they are doing to dale

They are fixing his bad memories

So that he can become the new god

And corrupting all his memories may result in him being new Mr. Owl

[azure bay]

Wdym by new Mr. Owl?

[bright parrot]

You and me bud
You and me

[azure bay]

Wdym by corrupting memories?

[bright parrot]

Jakob wants dale to take his place

[bright parrot]

Making them sad.

And crow is betraying

Owl

[azure bay]

I saw the opposite. Dale's black cube of birthday turned white

[bright parrot]

By helping dale

[bright parrot]

Yes

It was a bad memory

Murder of parents

It turned white

[azure bay]

Then where's corruption?

[bright parrot]

If you played mills
You know

[bright parrot]

Mr crow (grandpa) fixed it
Making it white

And maybe owl wants to make white cubes black

So

If a game ends with white cube

Means the memory is good now

And if it ends with black

It's bad now

[azure bay]

Owl helped changing it more than anyone

It was him to send the machine

[bright parrot]

Then maybe owl is also good guy

He wants to stop all this

Coz we have never seen bad of owl or crow

So we don't know what side they are on

[azure bay]

We seemingly saw

[bright parrot]

Are they the bad guys

[azure bay]

I think they just have their pov on the greater good

[bright parrot]

We don't know what the greater good is

[azure bay]

It's about the lake

Mostly providing it memories

[bright parrot]

I am going for now but type your opinion
I will ping you when I come online

[azure bay]

It seems that Paradise plagues are more regular than we think

I don't think Caroline was the direct reason for them

since memories stop plagues, I think it's about them

I'd assume giving the lake fresh memories prevents an apocalypse of sort

[bright parrot]

Then maybe dale will bring an end to the plagues

And I heard that these are the plagues from bible

Anyone to confirm this

[analog yacht]

some of them are, iirc

[true aurora]

Ih rusty lake paradise we have many plagues from the bible

And We cleared out paradise

From them. Later this place became a hotel

[bright parrot]

Yes

[bright parrot]

Sup cass
Today is the day

[analog yacht]

Hiii

Isn't it tomorrow?

[bright parrot]

Today is theast day

[analog yacht]

ohhh. Yeah

[bright parrot]

Maybe It will release on 12am utc

Which is maybe

6-9 hours

From now

[covert wyvern]

Disclaimer; we do not have a release time.

[real lantern]

Or maybe it wont

[bright parrot]

Its all a guess

But a strong one

[covert wyvern]

then don;t bring it like it's fact.

[bright parrot]

Because demo came at that time

[analog yacht]

it's a good time to release it at least

[covert wyvern]

Anyway

consider this a warning; stop going off topic @bright parrot .

[bright parrot]

Theories here

[covert wyvern]

your next infraction will earn you a mute.

[real lantern]

Agreed, i dont think its caroline personaly that was the reason for the plagues, i think its the lack of memories, and maybe no one else in the island knew how to collect memories

[analog yacht]

Actually, while we're on theories, my boyfriend made me aware of a very particular question last night.
Why specifically the memories of people dealing with mental problems? Why a mental facility? Wouldn't happy, healthy minds produce better memories for the lake?

[bright parrot]

Maybe lake wants sad memories

Or are they feeding the white cube

[analog yacht]

but they're avoiding the black cubes, are they not?

[bright parrot]

So here's the thing

The take a black cube

Coz nobody wants that

Make a white out of it

[azure bay]

Maybe. Or maybe he'll do the same but more efficiently and for longer

[analog yacht]

Hmm. My memory is a bit fuzzy. This was shown in.... Mill, I assume?

[bright parrot]

Yes it was

They need a white

And taking bad memories make soul corrupted

And give a black cube

[real lantern]

Ok, just had a random thought, what if Mr.owl had some sort of similar revelation happen to him when he was sacrificed to the lake in the end of paradise, and he's trying to simulate that with dale?

[analog yacht]

though that bring another question. Wouldn't inherently good memories be less work?

and lessen the chance of corruption

[bright parrot]

His death brought a stop in plagues
And maybe they are coming again

[azure bay]

That's not a guarantee. You need to be careful

[bright parrot]

Maybe it was said in mill

[azure bay]

It was

[real lantern]

Maybe Mr.owl has a bit of a heart, and doesnt want to remove people's good memories

[analog yacht]

I like your optimism XD

[real lantern]

So he makes bad memories good and takes that

[bright parrot]

Maybe the error in process gives bad memories

[azure bay]

Dale needed his memories good as self improvement

[bright parrot]

And they can't waste memories

[real lantern]

Hey, maybe the family murdering insane man is just a big helping softy inside LMAO

[analog yacht]

What about Laura, then?

[bright parrot]

Laura was corrupted by mistake

[azure bay]

Laura did it herself. No Owl involved

[real lantern]

But what if thats what they are doing in TWD, just in a less efficient way

[analog yacht]

hmmmm

[bright parrot]

They extracted painful memories and thus laura became corrupted

[azure bay]

We don't really know what they do in TWD. Bob was a special case and even his memories were not to be altered

[bright parrot]

TWD is not related to Rusty lake

Directly

[azure bay]

It is

[bright parrot]

In some sense it is

[azure bay]

Sister location, I'd say

[bright parrot]

Yes

But memory work was not done in TWD

Was it

[analog yacht]

So they're affiliated after all? I was under the impression that they weren't too keen of each other

[covert wyvern]

considering we literally erase parts of bobs memory;

id say memory work was done

if that's what you mean.

[bright parrot]

Extraction

[analog yacht]

erased, but not altered

[bright parrot]

Extraction of memories was not done

Making them cube

[covert wyvern]

ah but cass isn't that altering.

ye you might be right there, Itsumi.

[analog yacht]

I mean more
They didn't change what the memory was. They just took it away

[real lantern]

See, Thats what makes me think i might be right, maybe they take depressed people to turn their sad lives into happy memories, take some, and let them on their merry way, but bob is just (pardon my lenguage) more kinds of fucked up, so it simply doesnt work on him

[analog yacht]

with others they changed it

[covert wyvern]

I can see how that may be an easier process

[bright parrot]

We saw 2 members of eilander in TWD

[analog yacht]

Yeeaahh XD

[azure bay]

It was Sarah. Owl was returning his memories and he needed both Bob and memories together

[true aurora]

TWD is connected. Maybe not directly but still. Laura is Bob love. They broke up so Bob were at theatre later drinking

[bright parrot]

Uncle
And grandma

[analog yacht]

Oh, I was responding to Damy. I don't remember the eilanders in TWD

[bright parrot]

Oh

There were acc to me

[analog yacht]

It's been a long time :')

[covert wyvern]

wait sorry are you implying Sarah went rogue? cuss I guess that would make sense considering the ARG

[analog yacht]

Yeah, that was my impression as well

[covert wyvern]

ye I mean I suppose I probably should've come to that conclusion earlier? Lmao

[azure bay]

Hoorn warned Owl of someone going rogue and Owl asked Sarah not to touch the woman

[real lantern]

I feel like this got sort of burried, so im gonna put it back here

[analog yacht]

Hmm. I mean, he's suffering trauma like the others. I'm actually not sure why he's special

[azure bay]

Bob's affiliated to Laura and Laura is important. Can't say more, I'm confused about the plan

[analog yacht]

that's about as much as I know too

[azure bay]

Owl made clear that Bob's memories about Laura are what makes him important

[true aurora]

yup

After all Laura is showing through many games. She’s connecting everything

So Bob really chose wrong girl

[covert wyvern]

Eh can't help who you fall in love with I gue

Guess*

[azure bay]

I've just got an insight

A possible reason why they took her to the lake in 1969

[true aurora]

Oh my

[azure bay]

I think it was already about William considering it was in The Cave

They needed his elixir formula

Can't say what they wanted to do with her

Maybe find his related memories

Or make her recall her past life

But something went wrong and she died

Unfortunately possibilities are next to limitless

Could be a cabin CS incident

Could be William maddening her

Could be unsuccessful and they decided to kill her

Could want to kill her from the start

Damn we need more info about her trip

[real lantern]

Could also be it didnt work, so they killed her to try and extract the memories using the mill

But, as you said, theres a whole number of things that could have happened

[azure bay]

that's what I said in one of the options

maybe not clearly enough

[real lantern]

It indeed is, sorry about that one lmao

Didnt manage to get much sleep

I guess that could explain why they removed the black cube aswell, if you realy squint at it

They looked in her good memories to try and find the elixir, it didnt work, "maybe its in the bad memories, considering he died when he drank it"

[azure bay]

in The Cave book both cubes are marked with the elixir insignia

Also I think originally (before William was the thing) the lake just needed memories and without painful ones Owl'd be unable to maintain a steady flow.

As I think about that, black cubes are more frequent too

[inland mason]

During the stream, we see a few images of things featured in the new game. a specific thing is Albert's casket, which my theory is. It will come into use during the gameplay and that Rose will have to use her ouji board again to speak with him. Maybe for a puzzle or hint

[azure bay]

there's a lovely thread consacrated spesifically for TPW theories

https://discord.com/channels/319613669438914560/945320126608179231

[ebon aspen]

oh, thx for the help here, nowhere
And yeah, we will prolly send a reminder about it with the official release announcement, but since the game already is available in some places, just wanted to humbly ask to move every TPW-related theory to the aforementioned thread so ppl who are yet to play dont end up spoilered by accident
For those who already played, go as brrrrrrrrrr as you want in #945320126608179231

[digital heron]

In the livestream there was this corrupted soul in a weird position and I found it pretty similar to the one we see at the end of rusty lake: roots

[floral mauve]

good observation

[digital heron]

don't know if there is something there, but just wanted to share this

maybe is just the fetus corpse deafault pose

[ebon aspen]

the roots one was william's, no?
highly doubt he will come back as a soul again, prolly just a normal pose for corrupted ppl

[digital heron]

I was thinking of that too, but I was kind of bothered because there was also an image of the eye you can see in cube escape: the cave while in the submarine

there are just these images that feel out of place

[azure bay]

peepholes are still a thing

[vague imp]

hello!do you talk about the live on ytube?

[covert wyvern]

we talked about it in #🩸｜general-chat

theres a document pinned there too,.

[digital heron]

I think they removed the eye image from the doc, I can't find it

[covert wyvern]

im cutting a bit, I think the eye is still in there.

axing the clutter

.. frick its gone

my bad

Readded at the bottom

[digital heron]

found it

thanks

yea, you can't tell if it's in the submarine or a peephole

[azure bay]

it's a human eye and technically, it's a peephole

[digital heron]

and the last thing I feel it's kind of out of place is this bedroom image (also coming back to the topic of william vanderboom) since I'm pretty sure this is samsara's room

||the game you play as william reencarnating||

[azure bay]

it's the room seen in trailers

with Rose and Albert's coffin

[digital heron]

o ye?

[azure bay]

also seen in the demo

[digital heron]

my bad so :/

[floral mauve]

we will see if this random statement by me is gonna be canon when tpw releases

[ebon aspen]

Oh my

[red yew]

Guys, i got the code from rusty lake: hotel. Is it worth it or i shouldnt bother?

[ebon aspen]

It was useful when the collection wasnt released, but now the code was added into one of its games so welp, its pretty so so

[bright parrot]

Sarah can be her daughter because they got same hair

But I thought Sarah is just a side character

[azure bay]

Despite what Parrot said, Hotel is still the most obvious way to find the code. It's still working, it's cool, you are good to go into Birthday to enter it

[bright parrot]

But note that in RL no one is a side character

And I think we will see more of BOB

[azure bay]

Whose daugther?

[bright parrot]

Owl

Jakob

@azure bay

Remember about the trio theory
Maybe we will see more of Bob with laura and dale.

And Bob and dale will be related to vanderbooms
Coz Dale's last name is a little same to vanderboom (vandermeer)

And I can relate bob to dale as he is in same conditions

(maybe a little)

[azure bay]

That's what I'm scared of. Rusty Lake turning into Indian soap opera where everyone is secretely related and start a group dance in the end

[bright parrot]

Indian soap opera LOL
I am indian and can relate

Anyways

If family doesn't matter

Why are they laying emphasis on family

Why RL roots

Why RL paradise

If only info was needed

That could be done by a little story

[azure bay]

Sometimes it's interesting and relevant, sometimes it's not

Like in real life

By the way the "van der" theory doesn't work

It's just a common prefix in dutch names

Translates as "of the"

Aldous of the tree

Dale of the lake

[bright parrot]

Which language is it

[azure bay]

Dutch, my friend. It's dutch

[bright parrot]

Ohh like
Dale of the lake

First of his

Name

Protector of Rusty lake

What about eilander

[azure bay]

Can you guess it?

[bright parrot]

Protector of paradise

?

[azure bay]

There's nothing about protectors in any of last names

[bright parrot]

Yeah ok

What does eilander mena

[azure bay]

Islander

[bright parrot]

What is Bob's last name

[azure bay]

Hill

[bright parrot]

That doesn't make sense then

Btw listen

Dale's role was decided before birth

He is for the lake

He is of laks

Like laura is of tree

The tree of elixir

[azure bay]

Netherlands don't have mountains, in case you'll try to locate the lake

[bright parrot]

Or whatever the tree was

In RL roots

[bright parrot]

So is he related to the lake somehow

[azure bay]

Bob?

Dale?

Who?

[bright parrot]

Bob

Dale's last name is related to lake
Maybe that's his fate

[azure bay]

Doesn't look like it

He's related to Laura

His memories of her lade him relevant for Owl

I don't think we'll see him again in any meaningful role

[bright parrot]

Is there anyone whose last name is related to

Sky or air

[bright parrot]

Maybe we will coz he showed some progress is white door

[azure bay]

All progress, I'd say. His story seems over despite explaining so little.

Say what u want but he's still a side character. That's the reason i
TWD is published under Second Maze

[bright parrot]

Oh

Maybe they are building a new world

In second maze

Coz I would love to see more of bob and sarah

[azure bay]

More like highlighting obscure characters and publishing some unrelated indie stuff

[bright parrot]

Yep

[azure bay]

The worldbuilding they do will be used in the major continuity

TWD seems to be the location of the Cubical Device in TPW

[astral frost]

From the q&a

So it's confirmed many parts regarding those first games will be retcons

(Off topic)

[covert wyvern]

I dunno seems pretty on topic for theories lol

[azure bay]

Doesn't look like that

[astral frost]

Off topic since it's one hour left for tpw😆

I mean, it's another hint to not take those games literally

Even if some main themes were already there (memories, cubes, CS)

[azure bay]

Thhere are many reasons not to take games literally

Soft worldbuilding isn't always one of them

[astral frost]

Yeah yeah, I mean, that's something like a confirmation from devs in my opinion

[azure bay]

Also TPW makes me think that we should take Seasons literally

[astral frost]

We'll see

[slow ridge]

||RL says tpw is a spin off but I don't think it is. Albert's story has not come to an end in this game, but it is the beginning||

[grizzled bluff]

||To be fair, they said it was a spin off from Roots, which I agree with. This feels like another chapter of that game's specific story. Which is lovely||

[slow ridge]

I suggest to Read this spoiler theory after you finish this game, there must be tons of reviews like a day after today

||a spin off from Roots it is, but not the whole cube escape story||

[hidden ledge]

Just finished the game as the past, ||so was there a reason why the reincarnation had to happen in the future?||

[covert wyvern]

Could be anything, || could be the technology required, could be the time a soul needs for rebirth?? ||

[hidden ledge]

ahh ||technology makes sense||

[hidden ledge]

||So now he and rose can stay immortal forever since they already have all the equipment||

||Although I don't know why she had to become a tree, kind of a bummer||

[covert wyvern]

ye im unsure what they meant with that.

[ebon aspen]

id say that will tell more about ||laura than about rose||

bc of seasons and stuff

[hidden ledge]

My seasons theory is that the game is happening during the end of the cave. Her soul doesn't remember who she was and thinks she killed laura so she "changes" the past, but in reality she was going trough this journey while she was on that chair.

Paradox can also be explained like this but for dale, this would make the first and last cube escape happen at the same time

although it sounds really crazy i'll admit

[ebon aspen]

Hmmm, i doubt it
Seasons indeed is about laura visiting her memories, but it seems she was doing it without the chair from cave's white room

By the time of cave she was already corrupted as sheesh (not to mention completely dead)

[hidden ledge]

I don't like "it was all a dream" explanations but I can't fit the game in the story any other way, did she actually time travel?

[ebon aspen]

Yes, she visited her memories via the cubes and changed the past

[hidden ledge]

That would mean her soul actually killed her because killing the soul in the past undoes the murder

[weak python]

I really like the idea of that. Are there any moments where things seem to line up between Seasons and Paradox?

I also wondered if the events of Seasons could be happening when we put Laura's head into the machine in The Mill because of the different visual references to it but I need to look into it further to see if it makes any sense.

Does anyone think that the similarity between the rounded edges of the game window in the Cube Escape games and the rounded window of the memory viewer in the submarine from The Cave (and the Memory processor in The Mill) is deliberate or am I just trying to read into things that aren't there?

Like are we, as the player, looking into a Memory cube viewer?

[hidden ledge]

idk about line ups but in seasons the player learns that the corrupted soul was the killer and then we learn we are the soul, when you look at the mirror you say "it's me..."

so it's weird to be the killer and not know about it

Also Harvey in seasons is little and we know she was never young

when she became a full parrot she was an adult from the start

[covert wyvern]

I think seasons harvey may just be small bc of the artwork at the time tbh?

[hidden ledge]

most likely it's that

Or maybe they didn't think about making the parrot a character back then

[weak python]

Doesn't Dale's reflection change to a corrupted soul in Paradox?

[ebon aspen]

In some sense, the games are all memories
But id say its much more design stufd than "oh lets round edges so it relates to another thing"

[weak python]

Yeah, I figured that's probably the reason behind it. But I like the idea that we as the player are using some sort of memory viewer the same as Mr Crow might use to look into the different memories.

But it probably is just an aesthetic choice to make things look like you're playing it through an old CRT TV

[hidden ledge]

Imagine how awkward it was between Leonard and Albert in the few years that they were alone in the house

[valid sparrow]

harvey! transgender?

confirmed?

I'm going to say cannon

[red yew]

just wanted to know if the code was nice to discover or i could just pass over it, thank you!

[azure bay]

it unlocks a magnificent lore heavy secret scene

[red yew]

i thought it was pretty obvious the dark soul in seasons is laura having a crisis, there are pills and she is the only one that appears as the victim and the protagonist at the end. she also has little notes in the game, she goes from wanting to eat harveys eggs to killing harvey

[red yew]

duuude!, awesome, thank you!, im gonna do it

[hidden ledge]

is there an inconsistency with the year of rusty lake hotel? In the game it says it's 1893 but in the roots level where we see the guests inside the hotel it's 1870

[outer osprey]

I believe this served more as an easter egg (and solution to a puzzle) rather than something chronologically accurate.

[real lantern]

Or maybe they went multiple times

[weak python]

I always liked the idea that they were either going to the Hotel once a year so Mr Owl could lull them into a false sense of security or that they were caught in a loop of torment that kept repeating || until the easter egg in Birthday, at least ||

[quaint bough]

whats the full timeline of rusty lake? like which game happend first and when did everything happen

[weak python]

There's a really good timeline on the Rusty Lake Wiki - https://rusty-lake.fandom.com/wiki/Timeline

[quaint bough]

tyyy

[weak python]

Although, if you haven't played all of the games it might be worth steering clear of that in case it spoils anything

[quaint bough]

what game was this showed in btw?

[covert wyvern]

not a game

the White Dore ARG

so I guess a game?

not a mainline game in the traditional sense.

[quaint bough]

ah

i was a bit confused on it cause i didnt reconize it

is White Door apart of cube escape stuff?

[covert wyvern]

Its set in the same universe for sure

[quaint bough]

any cube escape refrences in it?

[grizzled bluff]

You'd have to play to find out 😉

[quaint bough]

no money :C

[grizzled bluff]

A more serious answer would be that it's a part of the story in some way, even if it's not necessarily the main story right now

May random money appear in your pockets!

[quaint bough]

tyyyy

[red yew]

Wah it was so cool!

Also completing all the cube escape achivements does something?, i got this symbol

[azure bay]

knowing RL, it will be used somewhere

for another secret

maybe during the current TPW ARG

maybe in the following young Laura metro game

[red yew]

Oh yeah

YOUNG LAURA?!

[azure bay]

yeah

[hidden ledge]

Laura in the matrix

[viral hill]

WAIT IS ROSE LAURAS MOM?

[covert wyvern]

yep

[azure bay]

Any doubts?

[vagrant thorn]

I thought that is pretty obvious

[lofty dagger]

Yes, in Roots if yu get the "Laura" achivment rose says "my daughter will return to rusty lake"

[digital heron]

I just realized that maybe both Frank and Leonard are still alive since Rose managed to escape the tree roots in the end of rusty lake roots (and she was also stuck inside the clock!)

[floral mauve]

I am sorry to say this but this cant prove Frank and Leonard also survived

[digital heron]

I know

[floral mauve]

Because Rose was chosen to give birth for Laura

[digital heron]

but I think Leonard is cool and I want to believe he survived ok?

[floral mauve]

especially clock has its feature that also helped

I think