#Grenouille - Modern OpenGL behind a D3D11 inspired API

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lucid hare
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I'm pinging gob

thick goblet
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i know 😄

cursive slate
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Honestly it's a usable and fine lang

thick goblet
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the problem with all this crap language is that it WILL lack conveniences i am fmiliar with

cursive slate
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But ofc it's not super duper innovative or anything

thick goblet
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i dont care about innovativeness tbqh

cursive slate
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You're spoiled by C#

thick goblet
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yeah

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it has everything for the past 15 years already

cursive slate
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Maybe rust will tickle your fancy

thick goblet
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shit which other languages add only now

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lol no

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absolutely not

cursive slate
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That is actually innovative though

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Hehe

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And has nice features, supposedly

thick goblet
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i am suffering quite a bit while reading along NotAPengu'ismssmsms

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its 0 readable

lucid hare
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I would like to do C# but my brain can't comprehend the OOPisms

cursive slate
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It'll help you read other rustaceans' code

thick goblet
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id rather stay with c++ then

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and im sorry for putting you guys through my tantrums lol

thorny jay
lucid hare
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I think it would be cool to do C++ backend and C# for UI schtuff

cursive slate
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c++ will only teach you brain damage, coming from c# bleakekw

thick goblet
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yeah

cursive slate
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but some of it is cool

thick goblet
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what would be interesting is to have a 1:1 impl of x

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one in c++ and one in c# and then profile/compare

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and see if .net is such a bad thing or not like every rust/c/c++ian claims 😉

cursive slate
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I don't find 1:1 language perf comparisons that interesting

thick goblet
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i dont mean compare the language, but compare an actual project implementation, an engine/game

lucid hare
thick goblet
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hehe

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eel is quite fitting

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a synonym for brainworm

lucid hare
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It is literal brain damage

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Is there any cross platform C# UI ism?

thick goblet
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Rider

lucid hare
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I heard C# can do Linux but only a subset

thick goblet
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wut

lucid hare
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A UI library I meant

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That works on Windows and Linux

thick goblet
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you cant do WinForms/WPF as is

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but there are other options, Avalonia/Eto

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if you want your classic UI program thing

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WinForms is tied to winapi, WPF is tied to dx9

lucid hare
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Can I do the rendering backend in C++ and the UI in C# with Avalonia?

thick goblet
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yes

lucid hare
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It looks really nice

thick goblet
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for your backend you usually just need some sort of native window handle in order to init your renderer

lucid hare
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Yeah, so no more GLFW 😦

thick goblet
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BitCrusader and BayBoyKiller are also c# peeps with attempts of interopping

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Furball and PoltixiTheDerg too iirc

thorny jay
shut rune
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@thick goblet remember that C# has NativeAOT as well so you get final single exe

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Usually I write what I can in C# and expose what I need in c layers

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StbImage, ktx with basisu, miniaudio

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Yesterday I did cimgui and cimguinodes bindings

thick goblet
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but i heard of wgpu having a sane api, at the same time it also feels like opengles 4 with azdo sprinkles somehow (i have not actually looked at wgpu at all)

thorny jay
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wgpu is kinda ehh

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it has its own shading language (wgsl)

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which is just not great

thick goblet
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im dinglefarting around a little again

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    _swapchain = _device->CreateSwapchain(swapchainDescriptor);
    auto backBuffer = _swapchain->GetBuffer(0);
    backBuffer->SetDebugName("Texture-Swapchain-BackBuffer");

    _defaultRenderTargetView = _device->CreateRenderTargetView(backBuffer, nullptr);
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the backbuffer is the evil kid

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i do understand semily what happens here

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all this code is in a function somewhere, backbuffer is just a local variable, which will be destroyed at the end of the function

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that means Resource's aka Texture2D's dtor is called and glDeleteTextures is invoked

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so far so good