Fwog and co. | Graphics Programming | Page 19

long robin Jul 2, 2023, 9:12 AM

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an early version of Fwog had only static create methods until I decided to embrace constructors and exceptions

dapper gorge Jul 2, 2023, 9:15 AM

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By the way

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I recently started using gltf-transform because instancing

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You can ask it to deduplicate, prune and flatten the scene tree, making nodes reference the same mesh, without duplicating vertex data

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It's pretty great, gltfpack and gltf-transform are a good combo

long robin Jul 2, 2023, 9:16 AM

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can you linkie

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all I found was some js thing

dapper gorge Jul 2, 2023, 9:17 AM

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https://gltf-transform.dev/cli

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Yeah the thing is in JS, but there is a cli interface

long robin Jul 2, 2023, 9:17 AM

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npm 😩

tired sandal Jul 2, 2023, 9:18 AM

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frogeheart

long robin Jul 2, 2023, 9:22 AM

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oh god oh fr*ck

fiery sorrel Jul 2, 2023, 9:22 AM

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the moment I mentioned JavaScript in your DMs

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he shows up

long robin Jul 2, 2023, 9:23 AM

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I'm tapping into the power of the one ring for the greater good of man

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PS C:\Users\jakek> npm install --global @gltf-transform/cli

added 251 packages in 9s

is this the power of webdev

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time to audit 251 packages to ensure I'm not susceptible to a supply chain attack

fiery sorrel Jul 2, 2023, 9:25 AM

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left-pad

golden schooner Jul 2, 2023, 9:27 AM

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this is so wrong

long robin Jul 2, 2023, 9:27 AM

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28 packages are looking for funding

is this also the power of webdev

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ads in my terminal

golden schooner Jul 2, 2023, 9:27 AM

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installing npm just to install some other binary baked from js

long robin Jul 2, 2023, 9:28 AM

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I was only following orders

golden schooner Jul 2, 2023, 9:28 AM

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: (

long robin Jul 2, 2023, 9:30 AM

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violating the geneva conventions for gltf gains

golden schooner Jul 2, 2023, 9:33 AM

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fiery sorrel Jul 2, 2023, 9:35 AM

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whatever hell Jaker and Deccer are entering

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I am so glad I am just watching on the sidelines

long robin Jul 2, 2023, 9:35 AM

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btw found a funny line in ARB_bindless_texture

    (1) Could this have been specified as simply making the maximum number of
        texture image units and image units arbitrarily large and then
        indexing into an array of samplers or images?

      RESOLVED: Perhaps, but this approach doesn't involve any arbitrarily
      limits. Allowing the implementation to choose the GPU handle can avoid
      the need for some kind of unit->address translation. It's also
      beneficial for the GPU handles to be static.

golden schooner Jul 2, 2023, 9:36 AM

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lol

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reminds me of your max_image_unit of 8 thingy in the fsr adventure

long robin Jul 2, 2023, 9:36 AM

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yeup

golden schooner Jul 2, 2023, 9:36 AM

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RESOLVED: Perhaps, ... 😄

heavy cipher Jul 2, 2023, 9:37 AM

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RESOLVED: :bleakkekw:

golden schooner Jul 2, 2023, 9:41 AM

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golden schooner

she boots 🙂

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hmm need to figure out again how you add content from marketplace heh

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its been a while

rugged notch Jul 2, 2023, 9:43 AM

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tharrr she boots

long robin Jul 2, 2023, 9:49 AM

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it feels like school just got out or something, judging by recent posts in gp

dapper gorge Jul 2, 2023, 9:49 AM

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Maybe it's the southern hemisphere kids

fiery sorrel Jul 2, 2023, 9:50 AM

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long robin it feels like school just got out or something, judging by recent posts in gp

damn my linker misconception that memeable huh? 🙃

long robin Jul 2, 2023, 9:50 AM

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you mustn't've seen't the crap in the other channels tonight

fiery sorrel Jul 2, 2023, 9:51 AM

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Yea I muted all the other channels as they can be distracting (altho today i got plenty of distracted)

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I just live in community-content and #questions

fiery sorrel Jul 2, 2023, 9:51 AM

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long robin you mustn't've seen't the crap in the other channels tonight

spill some of the tea tho pleading_smiling

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There's like a whole dance party going on downstairs so i cant focus on shot anyways

rugged notch Jul 2, 2023, 9:52 AM

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goblins will see you casting teleport and say "he can't afford a steed"
GP will see you redirect a question and say "there's too many channels"

fiery sorrel Jul 2, 2023, 9:53 AM

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alright im going in

long robin Jul 2, 2023, 9:53 AM

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fiery sorrel spill some of the tea tho <:pleading_smiling:887130225652170803>

#vulkan too

fiery sorrel Jul 2, 2023, 9:54 AM

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i dunno if i am much better than these clowns tbh

golden schooner Jul 2, 2023, 9:54 AM

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hmm looks like i have to clone ue's source to build the bloody launcher

fiery sorrel Jul 2, 2023, 9:54 AM

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I belong in the circus too

rugged notch Jul 2, 2023, 9:54 AM

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you can be the juggler

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or the sad clown

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a fan favorite

fiery sorrel Jul 2, 2023, 9:55 AM

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If a clown knows he's in the circus, is he really less of a clown than the others?

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or does that make them even more of a clown for not stealing the tiny car to escape

rugged notch Jul 2, 2023, 9:56 AM

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maybe stealing the tiny car to escape would make the circusgoers laugh even more, like the truman show

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you are never really free

heavy cipher Jul 2, 2023, 9:57 AM

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rugged notch Jul 2, 2023, 9:58 AM

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good stuff

fiery sorrel Jul 2, 2023, 9:58 AM

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me after i get jaker to write 95% of my engine (I need help you see): cheers!

rugged notch Jul 2, 2023, 9:59 AM

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Al-Hamdiyah will help... for a price

fiery sorrel Jul 2, 2023, 10:00 AM

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i may be a clown but at least im not a help vampire

dapper gorge Jul 2, 2023, 10:00 AM

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I am a help vampire

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I need someone to do cluster area classification right now

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Or I will implode and take GP down with me

heavy cipher Jul 2, 2023, 10:00 AM

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practice some buddhism and learn to separate your needs from your wants

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only then will you be truly free

fiery sorrel Jul 2, 2023, 10:01 AM

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heavy cipher practice some buddhism and learn to separate your needs from your wants

Think of your needs like your inputs and your wants like your renderer

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you gotta decouple them to achieve performance in life

golden schooner Jul 2, 2023, 10:03 AM

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buddah woulda coulda

fiery sorrel Jul 2, 2023, 10:03 AM

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Buddha vs Cuda who'd win

golden schooner Jul 2, 2023, 10:05 AM

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ROCm

long robin Jul 2, 2023, 10:12 AM

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bruh my brain is fried. I nearly tried putting the milk cap on a bag of cereal (this is fwog related I swear)

rugged notch Jul 2, 2023, 10:13 AM

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you've got bwain fwog

long robin Jul 2, 2023, 10:13 AM

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rugged notch Jul 2, 2023, 10:14 AM

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bro making a rendering api, doesn't even know the fwog is coming 😂

dapper gorge Jul 2, 2023, 10:14 AM

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Jakerino

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how many triangles is that scene you were exporting from UE

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I need bigger scenes goddamnit

long robin Jul 2, 2023, 10:15 AM

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idk tbh

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hundreds, maybe even thousands

dapper gorge Jul 2, 2023, 10:15 AM

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do you know of any humongous scenes

long robin Jul 2, 2023, 10:16 AM

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Moana Island

dapper gorge Jul 2, 2023, 10:16 AM

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If only I could fit that in memory

long robin Jul 2, 2023, 10:16 AM

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or like render a bunch of instances of sponza

heavy cipher Jul 2, 2023, 10:23 AM

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its not about how a big a scene is, its how you use it

golden schooner Jul 2, 2023, 10:35 AM

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epic

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quite the clusterfuck that is wine/wine64/"prefix"/winetricks esync and fs hacks

final cove Jul 2, 2023, 12:59 PM

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long robin <#318783283984990210> too

summer GP

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also did you ever figure out how to forward args to vsnprintf?

void log(OtherArgsAndWhatnot, const char* fmt, ...) {
    va_list args;
    va_start(args, fmt);
    vfprintf(stderr, fmt, args);
    va_end(args);
}

this is what works for me

heavy cipher Jul 2, 2023, 1:07 PM

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if only msvc would've implemented format-checked user functions

long robin Jul 2, 2023, 7:10 PM

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final cove also did you ever figure out how to forward args to vsnprintf? ```cpp void log(O...

The second arg for va_start is supposed to be the arg count I thought

final cove Jul 2, 2023, 7:12 PM

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https://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/utility/variadic/va_start

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parm_n    -    the named parameter preceding the first variable parameter

long robin Jul 2, 2023, 7:12 PM

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dafuq

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My comprehension of the docs failed

final cove Jul 2, 2023, 7:13 PM

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yeah its a weird one tbf

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https://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/io/c/vfprintf
but sure enough that's how you see it used in vfprintf examples

long robin Jul 2, 2023, 7:14 PM

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Yup

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All the examples I saw used a "count" arg which confused me

heavy cipher Jul 3, 2023, 10:24 PM

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@long robin do you have the vertexbufferless quad vertex shader?

long robin Jul 3, 2023, 10:24 PM

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yus

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#version 460 core

layout(location = 0) out vec2 v_uv;

void main()
{
  vec2 pos = vec2(gl_VertexID == 0, gl_VertexID == 2);
  v_uv = pos.xy * 2.0;
  gl_Position = vec4(pos * 4.0 - 1.0, 0.0, 1.0);
}

swap the magic numbers in the first line of main to make it ccw instead of cw

heavy cipher Jul 3, 2023, 10:25 PM

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i think i was thinking of the cube 😄 i probably could've derived this one meself

long robin Jul 3, 2023, 10:26 PM

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oh I have that juan too

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#version 460 core
#extension GL_GOOGLE_include_directive : enable

#include "Common.h"

layout(location = 0) out uint v_drawID;

// 14-vertex CCW triangle strip
vec3 CreateCube(in uint vertexID)
{
  uint b = 1 << vertexID;
  return vec3((0x287a & b) != 0, (0x02af & b) != 0, (0x31e3 & b) != 0);
}

void main()
{
  uint i = objectIndices.array[gl_BaseInstance + gl_InstanceID];
  v_drawID = gl_BaseInstance + gl_InstanceID;
  vec3 a_pos = CreateCube(gl_VertexID) - .5; // gl_VertexIndex for Vulkan
  ObjectUniforms obj = objects[i];
  a_pos *= boundingBoxes[i].halfExtent * 2.0 + 1e-1;
  a_pos += boundingBoxes[i].offset;
  vec3 position = (obj.model * vec4(a_pos, 1.0)).xyz;
  gl_Position = globalUniforms.viewProj * vec4(position, 1.0);
}

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uh

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ignore all the non-important stuff (determining that is up to the reader)

heavy cipher Jul 3, 2023, 10:27 PM

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ah yeh them numbers

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thats what i had in the ol' cobweb

long robin Jul 3, 2023, 10:27 PM

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you want the CreateCube line from main

long robin Jul 3, 2023, 10:57 PM

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oh I think that comment is wrong btw bleakekw

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it's actually a 14-vertex strip

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I render it like this
Fwog::Cmd::Draw(14, scene.meshes.size(), 0, 0);

dapper gorge Jul 3, 2023, 10:59 PM

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Are you sure

long robin Jul 3, 2023, 10:59 PM

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yes I'm sure I render it like that

dapper gorge Jul 3, 2023, 10:59 PM

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I've been using 24 for old iris and it worked fine

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Lucky case of UB I guess bleakekw

long robin Jul 3, 2023, 11:00 PM

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I renderdoc'd it and everything to ensure it's actually outputting a cube with 14 verts

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I only noticed that 24 was too much when I noticed some weird artifacts when I was drawing the cubes as partially transparent

dapper gorge Jul 3, 2023, 11:02 PM

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Jaker by the way

long robin Jul 3, 2023, 11:02 PM

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that being said, you only need an 8-vertex strip to draw the three faces that the camera can see

dapper gorge Jul 3, 2023, 11:02 PM

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could you cook up a LOD example

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kthxbye

long robin Jul 3, 2023, 11:02 PM

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how do you want it

dapper gorge Jul 3, 2023, 11:02 PM

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shrimple LOD

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Use meshopt if you can

long robin Jul 3, 2023, 11:02 PM

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hmm like switching between lods at different distances

dapper gorge Jul 3, 2023, 11:02 PM

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Like, gltfviewer v4

dapper gorge Jul 3, 2023, 11:03 PM

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long robin hmm like switching between lods at different distances

Yeah

long robin Jul 3, 2023, 11:03 PM

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at this point, I just need to make a whole new renderer instead of cramming a million features into the gltf """"example"""

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it was already getting out of hand when I added reflective shadow maps to it

dapper gorge Jul 3, 2023, 11:03 PM

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This gltfviewer has cough pulls list a lotta features

long robin Jul 3, 2023, 11:04 PM

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well it doesn't really have that many features, but definitely more than what's needed for a fwog usage example lol

dapper gorge Jul 3, 2023, 11:23 PM

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I'll be sleepy for now

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I expect a fully functional nanite-style lod reimplementation when I wake up

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Good luck soldier

long robin Jul 3, 2023, 11:28 PM

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gn

golden schooner Jul 3, 2023, 11:28 PM

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with hypr-rx on 😉

final cove Jul 3, 2023, 11:30 PM

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long robin ```glsl #version 460 core #extension GL_GOOGLE_include_directive : enable #incl...

oh shit saved

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void main() {
    float x = float((gl_VertexIndex & 1) << 2) - 1.0;
    float y = float((gl_VertexIndex & 2) << 1) - 1.0;

    gl_Position = vec4(x, y, 0.0, 1.0);
}

FST I have saved, got it somewhere here a while ago

daring surge Jul 3, 2023, 11:53 PM

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marttys example is just mini_renderer.cpp

long robin Jul 3, 2023, 11:55 PM

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should'v've called it shrimple_renderer.cpp

daring surge Jul 3, 2023, 11:56 PM

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mini renderer lets you go very far in complexity KEKW

final cove Jul 3, 2023, 11:56 PM

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CreateCube is indexed however and I don't think you can be indexed without a buffer

long robin Jul 3, 2023, 11:56 PM

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clamplicated_renderer.cpp

long robin Jul 3, 2023, 11:57 PM

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final cove CreateCube is indexed however and I don't think you can be indexed without a buf...

it doesn't use an index buffer

final cove Jul 3, 2023, 11:57 PM

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actually wait it says it right there it's a triangle strip not a triangle list

long robin Jul 3, 2023, 11:59 PM

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I updated it to remove the misinfo about being 24 vertices

final cove Jul 3, 2023, 11:59 PM

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12*

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wait is it 12?

long robin Jul 3, 2023, 11:59 PM

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huh

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idk lemme try

final cove Jul 3, 2023, 11:59 PM

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I count 16? before it stops

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15 actually

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assuming you count the last FFF

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I never use triangle strip so I don't intuitively know how many you need

long robin Jul 4, 2023, 12:02 AM

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12 isn't enough

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14 seems just right

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lol 14 is how many non-false lines there are in your pic

final cove Jul 4, 2023, 12:07 AM

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makes sense

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I printed 36 since thats how many I initially expected

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I totally don't have a debug cube shader with 36 vec3 constants in an array 😳

long robin Jul 4, 2023, 12:28 AM

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hmm do any of the parallel standard algorithms in C++ have guaranteed ordering, like if I do std::transform(std::execution::par, ...) into a container, I need the order to remain so the glTF indices don't become invalid

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ok surely parallel execution policy won't change this

std::transform applies the given function to a range and stores the result in another range, keeping the original elements order and beginning at d_first.

final cove Jul 4, 2023, 12:43 AM

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I don't think std::transform even affects the order, it works in place per element

long robin Jul 4, 2023, 12:44 AM

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you can have it output to any ~~iterator~~ range

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the exshrimples on cppreference just transform in-place though

heavy cipher Jul 4, 2023, 6:42 AM

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long robin ```glsl #version 460 core layout(location = 0) out vec2 v_uv; void main() { ...

what did you give me jaker

long robin Jul 4, 2023, 6:46 AM

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frogstare

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~~my raster occlusion culling vertex shader~~

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oh that's my triangle

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is it not working?

heavy cipher Jul 4, 2023, 6:52 AM

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its not a quad 😄

long robin Jul 4, 2023, 6:52 AM

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oh fuk

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I gave you my tri bleakekw

heavy cipher Jul 4, 2023, 6:52 AM

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yeee

long robin Jul 4, 2023, 6:52 AM

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worry not, I have a quad shader elsewhere

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// vertices in [0, 1]
vec2 CreateQuad(in uint vertexID) // triangle fan
{
  uint b = 1 << vertexID;
  return vec2((0x3 & b) != 0, (0x9 & b) != 0);
}

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  vTexCoord = CreateQuad(gl_VertexID);
  vec2 aPos = vTexCoord - 0.5;

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I should've put the other code in a function called CreateTri to make it obvious that I gave you the wrong thing smart

heavy cipher Jul 4, 2023, 6:55 AM

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void misinfo(

long robin Jul 4, 2023, 6:55 AM

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btw I can't remember if this quad is ccw or cw, so you may have to swap the magic numbers

heavy cipher Jul 4, 2023, 6:55 AM

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i may just not cull

heavy cipher Jul 4, 2023, 7:20 AM

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wow that is like the worst grid ever concieved

long robin Jul 4, 2023, 7:22 AM

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martty hit the griddy

heavy cipher Jul 4, 2023, 7:23 AM

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but thanks, quad be quaddin

dapper gorge Jul 4, 2023, 8:18 AM

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I have awoke

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Jaker where is my example

fiery sorrel Jul 4, 2023, 9:18 AM

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Need a name for a Fwog renderer library... Pownd? Swamp? Tadpowle?

rugged notch Jul 4, 2023, 9:26 AM

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Bababoowey

brazen glacier Jul 4, 2023, 10:04 AM

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use the power of unicode to call it 🐸

final cove Jul 4, 2023, 12:37 PM

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codename \U+1F438

golden schooner Jul 4, 2023, 7:45 PM

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u wot m8?

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long robin Jul 4, 2023, 7:46 PM

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huh

golden schooner Jul 4, 2023, 7:46 PM

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too much ext perhaps i tried to send

long robin Jul 4, 2023, 7:46 PM

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maybe your message contains a banned word by accident

golden schooner Jul 4, 2023, 7:46 PM

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no filters have been triggered and as an admin i am immune

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clang also reports on the no overloads for emplace

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upper one is gcc

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Unreal Engine

Brutalist Architecture Office in Environments - UE Marketplace

Complete pack for creating brutalist architecture styled environments. Over 250+ models, building blueprints, 70+ blueprints that speeds up level creation, tiling architectural materials and an example map.

wind trout Jul 4, 2023, 8:14 PM

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Wow these ue environments have been getting so good

signal widget Jul 4, 2023, 8:17 PM

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The lighting does all the work here, because the asset quality is awful

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Also looks like a cheap copy of Control's offices

valid oriole Jul 4, 2023, 8:21 PM

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wanted to say

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this really really looks like Control

signal widget Jul 4, 2023, 8:22 PM

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from wish

valid oriole Jul 4, 2023, 8:22 PM

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orange pipes with the concrete walls and random stuff thrown on the floor

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but with bad reflections

signal widget Jul 4, 2023, 8:23 PM

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The texture work here is abysmal. It's all the default stuff you get in Substance Painter, barely any kind of work, it's just basic materials with too strong normal maps/roughness values.
https://cdn1.epicgames.com/ue/product/Screenshot/20-1920x1080-30341fa947c6952b8881bd9693d0622e.jpg?resize=1&w=1920

valid oriole Jul 4, 2023, 8:23 PM

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yeah I see what you mean

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wait a sec, even the direction signs and the railings are literally the exact same as you see in control

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someone got a little too inspired bleakekw

golden schooner Jul 4, 2023, 8:24 PM

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this is from this month's free ue assets : )

signal widget Jul 4, 2023, 8:25 PM

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I was going to add "not worth the money" :p

golden schooner Jul 4, 2023, 8:25 PM

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yeah

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hehe

dapper gorge Jul 4, 2023, 10:42 PM

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Jaker, I am awaiting

long robin Jul 4, 2023, 10:43 PM

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I am weak habibi

dapper gorge Jul 4, 2023, 10:43 PM

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we are brothers in weakness and strength

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mashallah the LOD system shall be done

snow sun Jul 4, 2023, 10:44 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/panda-animated-lazy-sleepy-cute-gif-17741860

Tenor

long robin Jul 5, 2023, 7:50 AM

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wtf, this ain't c#

long robin Jul 5, 2023, 10:10 AM

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nice, new fastgltf loader works

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wtf

thorn hill Jul 5, 2023, 10:11 AM

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naughty

long robin Jul 5, 2023, 10:11 AM

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my asserts aren't triggering breakpoints bleakekw

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ah, it's because the asserts were triggering on other threads due to using a parallel algorithm

thorn hill Jul 5, 2023, 10:13 AM

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Yeah, assumed it was something like that considering there is more than one message box. 😂

long robin Jul 5, 2023, 10:13 AM

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yeah look how dark the outline is in the middle lol

thorn hill Jul 5, 2023, 10:14 AM

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I still hate it that Discord doesn't have a "scroll to top/beginning" option for forum posts.

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I have no idea what the original topic of this post was, I remember it being some engine project.

long robin Jul 5, 2023, 10:16 AM

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#1019779751600205955 message

golden schooner Jul 5, 2023, 10:16 AM

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#1019740157798273024 message

dapper gorge Jul 5, 2023, 10:17 AM

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Whatever it was, it has morphed into everyone else's project, with Jaker mentoring us

golden schooner Jul 5, 2023, 10:17 AM

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JMentor

thorn hill Jul 5, 2023, 10:19 AM

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long robin https://discord.com/channels/318590007881236480/1019779751600205955/101980763061...

Now the question is, did you scroll all the way up to the top to get that link? 😂

long robin Jul 5, 2023, 10:19 AM

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I just searched "fwog" and sorted by oldest

thorn hill Jul 5, 2023, 10:19 AM

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Cheats unlocked.

thorn hill Jul 5, 2023, 10:23 AM

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long robin nice, new fastgltf loader works

Loader's lookin' solid. Where the deccer cubes at

long robin Jul 5, 2023, 10:24 AM

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I posted it long ago

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My PC is already slep, I plan to fix the texture loading crash tomorrow

thorn hill Jul 5, 2023, 10:38 AM

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Haha, nice.

golden schooner Jul 5, 2023, 10:46 AM

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thorn hill Loader's lookin' solid. Where the deccer cubes at

my man

thorn hill Jul 5, 2023, 10:56 AM

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golden schooner my man

"Remember the Cant."

long robin Jul 6, 2023, 9:03 AM

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the issue I had was kinda funky

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but now it worky

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let's see if the deccy cubies still workie

heavy cipher Jul 6, 2023, 9:05 AM

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what was the boog?

long robin Jul 6, 2023, 9:05 AM

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I don't think these are the right ones

long robin Jul 6, 2023, 9:05 AM

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heavy cipher what was the boog?

it's kinda hard to explain, partly because I don't fully understand it

heavy cipher Jul 6, 2023, 9:06 AM

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the goblin processing unit was unhappy with the working conditions and tried to unionize

long robin Jul 6, 2023, 9:08 AM

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basically I had a bufferView with mimeType=ktx2, but the buffer got its data from a fastgltf::Vector (I guess because I used the flags to load buffers and images into vectors), which itself had a mimeType of GLBbuffer, and that caused my logic to fail to see that I was loading a ktx2 image

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I discovered the fix by hovering stuff in the debugger until I saw something with the ktx2 mimetype bleakekw

dapper gorge Jul 6, 2023, 9:08 AM

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heavy cipher the goblin processing unit was unhappy with the working conditions and tried to ...

Interesting, we could use goblins instead of meshlets, revolutionary

long robin Jul 6, 2023, 9:11 AM

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tl;dr idk what a mimetype is

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what a terrible name for it tbh

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Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions (MIME)

dapper gorge Jul 6, 2023, 9:12 AM

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Jakerone

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suppose I have 100k meshlets and no debugger

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how do I pick a very specific one

long robin Jul 6, 2023, 9:13 AM

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wdym "pick"

dapper gorge Jul 6, 2023, 9:13 AM

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based solely on a pixel color

long robin Jul 6, 2023, 9:13 AM

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uh

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well for one, the answer is indirection

dapper gorge Jul 6, 2023, 9:14 AM

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Let me explain, so I have this dumb group of meshlet right here

heavy cipher Jul 6, 2023, 9:14 AM

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long robin well for one, the answer is indirection

no, the answer is this one

dapper gorge Jul 6, 2023, 9:14 AM

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Which is red, it should not be red

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I want to look at its AABB but there are too many meshlets bleakekw

heavy cipher Jul 6, 2023, 9:14 AM

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you could render fewer meshlets

long robin Jul 6, 2023, 9:15 AM

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why are they blue

dapper gorge Jul 6, 2023, 9:15 AM

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They are colored based on their screen space area

long robin Jul 6, 2023, 9:15 AM

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and how does the classic assign-everything-a-color-and-readback strategy not work

dapper gorge Jul 6, 2023, 9:16 AM

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It does work, it's just painful to setup, so I was hoping for a sort of "third eye" you might've had and told me "this is meshlet #58328"

long robin Jul 6, 2023, 9:17 AM

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uh

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well you could hack some thing up in imgui which lets you select a range of meshlets to draw

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then you can perform manual binary search by just fiddling with widgets, rather than having to implement an actual picking system

heavy cipher Jul 6, 2023, 9:20 AM

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its not painful if you use renderdoc

dapper gorge Jul 6, 2023, 9:20 AM

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I have never wished to use RenderDoc so hard in my life

long robin Jul 6, 2023, 9:20 AM

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are you using an unsupported ext

dapper gorge Jul 6, 2023, 9:20 AM

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yes 😭

long robin Jul 6, 2023, 9:21 AM

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I think you already said that and I just have dementia

heavy cipher Jul 6, 2023, 9:21 AM

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cring

long robin Jul 6, 2023, 10:06 AM

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kwite annoying how gltfpack will use texture transform if you don't put -noq

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like bruh, that significantly changes how I need to handle stuff, much more so than mesh quantization

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da cubicles are looking good still

golden schooner Jul 6, 2023, 10:20 AM

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that looks neat

long robin Jul 6, 2023, 10:20 AM

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switching from tinygltf to fastgltf be loike

golden schooner Jul 6, 2023, 10:20 AM

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noice

long robin Jul 6, 2023, 10:20 AM

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and no more nasty hacks to load ktx

golden schooner Jul 6, 2023, 10:21 AM

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rsm looks neat too

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this little scene looks super neat as is

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with sunlight and shadows et al

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im jealous 🙂

long robin Jul 6, 2023, 10:26 AM

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no pbrisms though

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but

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fastgltf makes it straightforward to support all the pbrisms

golden schooner Jul 6, 2023, 10:35 AM

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the cubes dont habe any pbrisms anyway 😐

long robin Jul 6, 2023, 10:36 AM

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you have iblisms too

golden schooner Jul 6, 2023, 10:37 AM

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indeed

long robin Jul 6, 2023, 10:38 AM

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what you are seeing here is advanced autoformatting

golden schooner Jul 6, 2023, 10:40 AM

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that doesnt even look bad at all

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its just weird to see "greyed out" identifiers, that means to me they can be removed 😛

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asset, image, view and vector

long robin Jul 6, 2023, 10:40 AM

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ah I just realized that formatting actually makes sense

golden schooner Jul 6, 2023, 10:41 AM

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color scheme should be adjusted for resharper c++isms

long robin Jul 6, 2023, 10:41 AM

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it just looks funny with buffer.data in a void by itself

brazen glacier Jul 6, 2023, 10:41 AM

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why does it randomly switch to two spaces though :(

golden schooner Jul 6, 2023, 10:41 AM

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hehe

long robin Jul 6, 2023, 10:41 AM

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brazen glacier why does it randomly switch to two spaces though :(

randomly?

golden schooner Jul 6, 2023, 10:41 AM

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ah the 2 space indent is ugly indeed

dapper gorge Jul 6, 2023, 10:41 AM

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long robin what you are seeing here is advanced autoformatting

Autoformatting is a mistake for C++

brazen glacier Jul 6, 2023, 10:41 AM

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like what's going on here

golden schooner Jul 6, 2023, 10:42 AM

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jaker swallowed the glsl formatting pill

long robin Jul 6, 2023, 10:43 AM

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brazen glacier like what's going on here

here's a more biggerer picture of it

dapper gorge Jul 6, 2023, 10:43 AM

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lambda galore

long robin Jul 6, 2023, 10:43 AM

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the editor just didn't add the lines in some places for some reason

golden schooner Jul 6, 2023, 10:43 AM

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can you properly step through with a debugger in this lambda hekk?

long robin Jul 6, 2023, 10:44 AM

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ye

dapper gorge Jul 6, 2023, 10:44 AM

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I count 7 lambdas KEKW

long robin Jul 6, 2023, 10:44 AM

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there's another lambda a few lines above the code in the pic too frog_sweat

dapper gorge Jul 6, 2023, 10:45 AM

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I don't like how it looks tbh, too C++y

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It hurts (physically) to read bleakekw

long robin Jul 6, 2023, 10:46 AM

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well that's just what it's like to use std::variant

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I guess I could use get_if instead of a visitor

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but tbqh the skeleton of this (3000 lambdas of allah) is copied from the fastgltf readme

dapper gorge Jul 6, 2023, 10:47 AM

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I prefer to switch

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Only visit in a template context

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E.g:

template <typename... Ts>
struct ir::akl::hash<std::variant<Ts...>> {
    using is_avalanching = void;
    using is_transparent = void;
    IR_NODISCARD constexpr auto operator ()(const std::variant<Ts...>& value) const noexcept -> std::size_t {
        return std::visit([]<typename T>(const T& value) {
            return ir::akl::hash<T>()(value);
        }, value);
    }
};

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this visit is clean (sort of)

long robin Jul 6, 2023, 10:48 AM

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so you just switch on variant::index?

dapper gorge Jul 6, 2023, 10:49 AM

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Either variant::index or my own tag

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for example descriptor_type

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I have variant<buffer_info, image_info, texel_buffer_info> but I also know the descriptor_type

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So I can shrimply use that

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Perhaps switch appeases the lack of match in C++ KEKW

long robin Jul 6, 2023, 10:51 AM

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the thing I don't like about switching on the index is that it's not obvious what your cases are

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why not use std::get_if or std::get

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just chain some if statements

snow sun Jul 6, 2023, 10:51 AM

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dapper gorge this visit is *clean* (sort of)

least degranged c++ programmer

golden schooner Jul 6, 2023, 10:51 AM

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even i approve of it 🙂

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as a non c++ person

snow sun Jul 6, 2023, 10:52 AM

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i also prefer the if vhain with grt_if a lot

golden schooner Jul 6, 2023, 10:52 AM

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i also like that fastgltf is fastgltf:: and not fg:: like sometimes seen in sean's code

long robin Jul 6, 2023, 11:02 AM

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yeah it do be more readable without all the visit bs

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I still had to help myself to a little lambda, as a treat

golden schooner Jul 6, 2023, 11:04 AM

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: )

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but how come you indent with 2 spaces now

long robin Jul 6, 2023, 11:04 AM

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wdym now

golden schooner Jul 6, 2023, 11:04 AM

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i believe it was only glsl

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not c++

long robin Jul 6, 2023, 11:05 AM

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no

golden schooner Jul 6, 2023, 11:05 AM

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hmm ok

long robin Jul 6, 2023, 11:05 AM

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maybe you don't notice when I post code snippets on discord

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or when I link my gh

golden schooner Jul 6, 2023, 11:05 AM

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i have fwog open here

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and its 2 there too heh

long robin Jul 6, 2023, 11:06 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/dog-slap-bad-mood-pet-gif-4207778

Tenor

Slap

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golden schooner Jul 6, 2023, 11:06 AM

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i take it 😄

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2 is still strange 😛

long robin Jul 6, 2023, 11:07 AM

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yeah

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it's nice when heavily nested code doesn't turn half your screen into whitespace though

golden schooner Jul 6, 2023, 11:10 AM

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while having a >30" widescreen monitor

long robin Jul 6, 2023, 11:11 AM

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I have multiple panes of code open simultaneously

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usually .cpp on the left, .h on the right

golden schooner Jul 6, 2023, 11:12 AM

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i cant find that picture of that one of our frogs upgrading his desk thing

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where i pointed that white space out already 😄

long robin Jul 6, 2023, 11:21 AM

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bikeshedding whitespace choices smh

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a second schlapping is due

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https://tenor.com/view/dog-slap-bad-mood-pet-gif-4207778

Tenor

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golden schooner Jul 6, 2023, 3:05 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/cute-aww-gif-22471511

Tenor

robust bough Jul 6, 2023, 4:04 PM

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long robin usually .cpp on the left, .h on the right

This is the way

long robin Jul 7, 2023, 10:17 AM

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I was gonna write some code today, but I got carried away by hours of color mismanagement in #off-topic-🐸 frog_bath

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today was a terrible day to have trichromatic vision

dapper gorge Jul 7, 2023, 10:19 AM

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Was the code you were going to write for my LOD system

long robin Jul 7, 2023, 10:19 AM

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I was thinking of doin some pbrisms in da gltf viewer

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I think I should just make a separate project for a renderer tbh, then I can go ham on random features without worrying if it's a fit for fwog examples

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then deccer's bewanted clustered light culling may finally make it in

dapper gorge Jul 7, 2023, 10:23 AM

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do you hate LODs or sumthin

long robin Jul 7, 2023, 10:25 AM

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tbh I dunno where to start for automated lods without diving into a massive rabbit hole

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is meshopt good at generating simplified meshes

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I guess gltfpack has an option to decimate the mesh

dapper gorge Jul 7, 2023, 10:27 AM

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final cove Jul 7, 2023, 10:28 AM

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yeah I've heard meshopt is pretty good at it

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imo auto-LODing is a preprocessing helper tool for artists at best, you're gonna want them premade and given a manual look-over anyway

long robin Jul 7, 2023, 10:29 AM

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yeah my impression was that auto lod isn't good enough to not involve artists at all

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too bad I'm not an artist

dapper gorge Jul 7, 2023, 10:29 AM

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Nanite begs to differ KEKW

long robin Jul 7, 2023, 10:29 AM

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nanite is built different fr

dapper gorge Jul 7, 2023, 10:30 AM

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Just use ridiculously high poly count meshes and shrimplify clusters

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ez

final cove Jul 7, 2023, 10:30 AM

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yeah just build nanite tbh its simpler

dapper gorge Jul 7, 2023, 10:30 AM

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I am

final cove Jul 7, 2023, 10:30 AM

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100 hours writing code beats 1 hour in blender after all

dapper gorge Jul 7, 2023, 10:30 AM

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yes

long robin Jul 7, 2023, 10:30 AM

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the lod strat of the base lod being way too high smart

dapper gorge Jul 7, 2023, 10:31 AM

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I have a secret weapon, if I can decipher this thing I will have unlimited power https://vcg.isti.cnr.it/~ponchio/download/ponchio_phd.pdf

long robin Jul 7, 2023, 10:31 AM

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I'm mainly interested in pbr and colorimetry atm

final cove Jul 7, 2023, 10:31 AM

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I have an even secreter weapon

dapper gorge Jul 7, 2023, 10:31 AM

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But it's a 100 page long PhD thesis

final cove Jul 7, 2023, 10:31 AM

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I will wait for you to finish and look over your results

dapper gorge Jul 7, 2023, 10:37 AM

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Progress has been steady tbh, I think I have reached the "state of the art triangle renderer™️" that Unreal is describing in their slides

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state of the art being: meshlet and 64-bit visbuffer driven

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hybrid hardware/software raster is coming soon™️

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The utterly ridiculous part is LODs KEKW

golden schooner Jul 7, 2023, 10:45 AM

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lustri my man

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i wonder if its possible to slide into UE-people's DMs and exchange actual "nanite"esque work

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either by sending them messages proactively somehow, or perchance by writing about it and spreading the link across the niverses

dapper gorge Jul 7, 2023, 10:46 AM

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Ah there is no need, I have secret access to their whole thing

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https://github.com/EpicGames/UnrealEngine/blob/ue5-early-access/Engine/Shaders/Private/Nanite/Rasterizer.usf

golden schooner Jul 7, 2023, 10:47 AM

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dont we all

dapper gorge Jul 7, 2023, 10:47 AM

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And by secret access I mean: I linked my github to epic games KEKW

golden schooner Jul 7, 2023, 10:48 AM

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you should write about your findings 🙂

fiery sorrel Jul 7, 2023, 10:48 AM

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golden schooner either by sending them messages proactively somehow, or perchance by writing abo...

just spread misinfo on purpose and have them correct u

golden schooner Jul 7, 2023, 10:49 AM

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wouldnt surprise me that this could be the foot into many doors

fiery sorrel Jul 7, 2023, 10:49 AM

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Cunningham's Law moments.

dapper gorge Jul 7, 2023, 10:50 AM

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Nanite doesn't actually rasterize triangles guys, they are deceiving you

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They implemented Euclideon's unlimited detail in secret without telling anyone, justice for Euclideon

fiery sorrel Jul 7, 2023, 10:50 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fclyQt6R5Dc

YouTube

th.ai

NOT CUNNINGHAM'S LAW - Ward Cunningham

I never suggested asking questions by posting wrong answers. This is a misquote that disproves itself by propagating through the internet as Cunningham's Law.

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long robin Jul 7, 2023, 10:51 AM

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fiery sorrel Cunningham's Law moments.

erm sweaty, I think you mean Poe's law

fiery sorrel Jul 7, 2023, 10:51 AM

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the gpu cannt do 2d graphics

golden schooner Jul 7, 2023, 10:53 AM

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btw

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https://github.com/EpicGames/UnrealEngine/blob/ue5-early-access/Engine/Shaders/Private/BRDF.ush#L22 😄

dapper gorge Jul 7, 2023, 10:54 AM

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When you make your own shading language and end up with a worse HLSL

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bleakekw

long robin Jul 7, 2023, 11:01 AM

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.ush is ¾ of kush, which they were probably smoking when they made that

heavy cipher Jul 7, 2023, 11:04 AM

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golden schooner lustri my man

its actually 55stri

rugged notch Jul 7, 2023, 11:08 AM

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stri stands for "sestertii"

wind trout Jul 7, 2023, 7:59 PM

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What tools do you use to manage fwog docs?

long robin Jul 7, 2023, 8:04 PM

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sphinx and breathe

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and doxygen

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I just copied this
https://devblogs.microsoft.com/cppblog/clear-functional-c-documentation-with-sphinx-breathe-doxygen-cmake/

wind trout Jul 7, 2023, 8:10 PM

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Hey thanks

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Time to breathe in the doxygen

golden schooner Jul 7, 2023, 8:17 PM

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schwinxs

daring surge Jul 8, 2023, 6:37 AM

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even when the type is inferible, i think it's just easier to read left to right, like here, i'd prefer

- auto descPos = Fwog::VertexInputBindingDescription{
+ Fwog::VertexInputBindingDescription descPos = {
    .location = 0,
    .binding = 0,
    .format = Fwog::Format::R32G32_FLOAT,
    .offset = 0,
  };```

long robin Jul 8, 2023, 6:38 AM

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I think the latter is just more familiar to most C and C++ devs

daring surge Jul 8, 2023, 6:38 AM

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yes

long robin Jul 8, 2023, 6:38 AM

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I prefer the former since it makes it easier to read variable names

daring surge Jul 8, 2023, 6:39 AM

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i was going to say that

long robin Jul 8, 2023, 6:39 AM

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huehue

daring surge Jul 8, 2023, 6:39 AM

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but the thing is

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people don't know your code, they don't even know if your variable names will be descriptive

long robin Jul 8, 2023, 6:39 AM

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the type is on the same line still frogstare

daring surge Jul 8, 2023, 6:40 AM

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yeah it's a dumb bikeshed pet peeve thing

long robin Jul 8, 2023, 6:40 AM

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you don't even have to scan horizontally to read the variable names froge_love

daring surge Jul 8, 2023, 6:40 AM

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same thing as me complaining about not using z-up so that i can't truncate my vec3's in one of the many cases that i work in only top down sadge

long robin Jul 8, 2023, 6:41 AM

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that's my biggest annoyance with Y-up ngl

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but I still use it lmao

daring surge Jul 8, 2023, 6:41 AM

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the shader variable names are useful to me, but the rest aren't

long robin Jul 8, 2023, 6:42 AM

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the "issue" is that the type names are really long, but yeah feel free to bikeshed

  auto descPos = Fwog::VertexInputBindingDescription{
    .location = 0,
    .binding = 0,
    .format = Fwog::Format::R32G32_FLOAT,
    .offset = 0,
  };

daring surge Jul 8, 2023, 6:43 AM

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sometimes i wonder about using niche but relatively useful things in intro examples

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cause it's genuinely a good way to expose it

long robin Jul 8, 2023, 6:43 AM

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maybe positionInputDesc is more descriptive

daring surge Jul 8, 2023, 6:43 AM

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like this auto inputDescs = {descPos, descColor};

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i did not realize you could auto here

long robin Jul 8, 2023, 6:44 AM

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initializer lists are lit

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a magically blessed std:: type that has special integration with the language

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I'm only disappointed that std::span has no initializer list constructor, so you cannot do SomeFuncThatExpectsASpan({1, 2, 3});

daring surge Jul 8, 2023, 6:45 AM

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what is it called when you return a type as a reference so you can chain member calls on it?

long robin Jul 8, 2023, 6:45 AM

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builder pattern

daring surge Jul 8, 2023, 6:46 AM

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it's interesting how similar that looks to named initializers sometimes

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auto descPos = Fwog::VertexInputBindingDescription{
    .location = 0,
    .binding = 0,
    .format = Fwog::Format::R32G32_FLOAT,
    .offset = 0,
  };

auto descPos = Fwog::VertexInputBindingDescription()
    .location(0),
    .binding(0),
    .format(Fwog::Format::R32G32_FLOAT),
    .offset(0);```

long robin Jul 8, 2023, 6:47 AM

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yeah they have subtle tradeoffs

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like being able to put them in any order for a builder

daring surge Jul 8, 2023, 6:48 AM

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having to implement the methods is the main downside for it imo 💀

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i'd imagine perf might be a minor consideration? or can that be entirely optimized

long robin Jul 8, 2023, 6:48 AM

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yeah it should be trivially optimizable

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but also you probably won't be making enough of these structs for it to be a perf concern

daring surge Jul 8, 2023, 6:50 AM

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ye but that's the sort of thing that should stay consistent across a whole project imo

long robin Jul 8, 2023, 6:50 AM

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I mean with either one of these ways

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so don't base your decision off of perf

daring surge Jul 8, 2023, 6:51 AM

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i might consider preferring the builders if i could do actual preprocessing

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i.e. jai (assuming i understand what that language lets you do correctly)

long robin Jul 8, 2023, 6:54 AM

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idk jai except that it has nice compile time programming

daring surge Jul 8, 2023, 6:54 AM

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jai lets you do preprocessing AFAIK

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so you could add some tag to a type like HasBuilderFuncs

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and you could write a little mini program that would implement builder functions, maybe for your public members

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i do not know the exact details, considering i have not heard a word about the man or language since i left my last job where i got weekly updates from my manager 💀

long robin Jul 8, 2023, 6:58 AM

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was your manager a jblow fanatic or something lmao

daring surge Jul 8, 2023, 7:05 AM

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yes lol

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i sleep Bedge

long robin Jul 8, 2023, 7:06 AM

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gn my frog prince

long robin Jul 8, 2023, 10:43 AM

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found my next career move
https://ofm.wa.gov/state-human-resources/labor-relations/collective-bargaining-agreements/fish-and-wildlife-officers-guild-fwog-2023-25

Fish and Wildlife Officers’ Guild (FWOG) (2023-25)

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ngl it's pretty pog that my state has a fwog

daring surge Jul 8, 2023, 5:43 PM

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daring surge same thing as me complaining about not using z-up so that i can't truncate my ve...

UNLIKE these two pet peeves, the entt documentation is a real issue madge

wind trout Jul 8, 2023, 5:49 PM

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Are you starting a new fwog project for that pbr viewer you mentioned?

golden schooner Jul 8, 2023, 5:50 PM

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you need to keep jaker on his toes, J

wind trout Jul 8, 2023, 5:53 PM

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Yeah gotta keep checking on PBFwog

golden schooner Jul 8, 2023, 5:54 PM

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hehe

long robin Jul 8, 2023, 8:53 PM

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wind trout Are you starting a new fwog project for that pbr viewer you mentioned?

Maybe

long robin Jul 8, 2023, 9:35 PM

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maybe I will do it after all

long robin Jul 9, 2023, 11:44 PM

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keep ya eyes peeled
https://github.com/JuanDiegoMontoya/Frogfood

golden schooner Jul 9, 2023, 11:44 PM

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2nd empty repo my man

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was das?

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hyperrealistic space adventure made wif fwog

long robin Jul 9, 2023, 11:46 PM

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huh

dapper gorge Jul 9, 2023, 11:46 PM

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If it doesn't use my rendering engine (which I totally did not copy from Unreal Engine) I'm not playing

golden schooner Jul 9, 2023, 11:46 PM

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jakek said like dogfooding

long robin Jul 9, 2023, 11:47 PM

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what could it mean

golden schooner Jul 9, 2023, 11:47 PM

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that you make something with fwog 🙂

long robin Jul 9, 2023, 11:47 PM

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guess I have no choice but to do that

dapper gorge Jul 9, 2023, 11:47 PM

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Amazing

wind trout Jul 9, 2023, 11:47 PM

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What could this possibly be??

golden schooner Jul 9, 2023, 11:47 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/obviously-duh-sassy-interview-gif-8020881

Tenor

well obviously

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daring surge Jul 9, 2023, 11:47 PM

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do a galaga clone

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(with multiplayer)

golden schooner Jul 9, 2023, 11:48 PM

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aka dogalaga

long robin Jul 9, 2023, 11:48 PM

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the graphics aren't advanced enough for that

daring surge Jul 9, 2023, 11:48 PM

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ok then you have two choices

dapper gorge Jul 9, 2023, 11:48 PM

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sad

daring surge Jul 9, 2023, 11:48 PM

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either put an AR in a first person perspective

long robin Jul 9, 2023, 11:48 PM

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I'll revisit that when I feel like doing more networking bs

daring surge Jul 9, 2023, 11:48 PM

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or do a minecraft clone

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actually 3

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sorrry

golden schooner Jul 9, 2023, 11:49 PM

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jaker made 2 already 😄

daring surge Jul 9, 2023, 11:49 PM

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3rd choice is doing something with a large terrain

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welcome to

long robin Jul 9, 2023, 11:49 PM

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nah I'm just gonna make sponchza rendererer #12345

golden schooner Jul 9, 2023, 11:49 PM

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heh

long robin Jul 9, 2023, 11:49 PM

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except it will specialize in decker cubes and balls

golden schooner Jul 9, 2023, 11:49 PM

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M... Ruin C renderereererer #1

dapper gorge Jul 9, 2023, 11:50 PM

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Well the overlord of all is Jaker

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I would like to contribute, so I'll submit to your orders my lord

daring surge Jul 9, 2023, 11:50 PM

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start a new GP meta

long robin Jul 9, 2023, 11:51 PM

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the jeepee meta is already bindlessisms+visbufferisms

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I might consider visbuffer at least, but for now I'll start with basic deferred (by copying 03_gltf_viewer)

daring surge Jul 9, 2023, 11:51 PM

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no i mean content, not the rendering side

golden schooner Jul 9, 2023, 11:51 PM

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with pbr and ibl

daring surge Jul 9, 2023, 11:52 PM

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i haven't seen any teapots in a while

dapper gorge Jul 9, 2023, 11:52 PM

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deferred = cring

long robin Jul 9, 2023, 11:53 PM

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visbuffer is just deferred

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but for hipsters

golden schooner Jul 9, 2023, 11:53 PM

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clustered volume thingy, if viz biz is no option

long robin Jul 9, 2023, 11:53 PM

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can do bof

golden schooner Jul 9, 2023, 11:54 PM

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man this fucking unreal marketplace thing

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you dont find shit there

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and no indicator of stuff you own already

daring surge Jul 9, 2023, 11:54 PM

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its too bad that baked lighting is the sketchfab meta

long robin Jul 9, 2023, 11:54 PM

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all those crappy webgl renderers don't have le epic gi like my thingy will

golden schooner Jul 9, 2023, 11:54 PM

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modular ruins c rendererer #1

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GALLERY10-1920x1080-0c15682df4091f2d0db029b149907f88.png

wind trout Jul 9, 2023, 11:55 PM

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Wait so this is the pbfwog project? That’s awesome

daring surge Jul 9, 2023, 11:56 PM

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the above image is not

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that is ue

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unless?

dapper gorge Jul 9, 2023, 11:56 PM

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Yeah, one day

long robin Jul 9, 2023, 11:56 PM

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wind trout Wait so this is the pbfwog project? That’s awesome

ye it will be

golden schooner Jul 9, 2023, 11:56 PM

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pssht

long robin Jul 9, 2023, 11:56 PM

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deccer can you pin that image so I have something to look forward to in a few years

golden schooner Jul 9, 2023, 11:56 PM

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needs a better name than frogfood though

golden schooner Jul 9, 2023, 11:57 PM

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golden schooner

dapper gorge Jul 9, 2023, 11:57 PM

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long robin deccer can you pin that image so I have something to look forward to in a few ye...

Do you intend to beat me to my Nanite race?

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interesting

long robin Jul 9, 2023, 11:57 PM

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golden schooner needs a better name than frogfood though

hehe I thought about putting something that frogs actually eat, but they were all lame things like bugs

daring surge Jul 9, 2023, 11:57 PM

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i dont think that model needs nanite

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pretty sure it's ~1m tris

golden schooner Jul 9, 2023, 11:57 PM

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long robin hehe I thought about putting something that frogs actually eat, but they were al...

hehe, they eat flies too

long robin Jul 9, 2023, 11:57 PM

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dapper gorge Do you intend to beat me to my Nanite race?

no, I'll leave that to you

dapper gorge Jul 9, 2023, 11:57 PM

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daring surge i dont think that model needs nanite

Subdivide the shit out of it bleakekw

daring surge Jul 9, 2023, 11:58 PM

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Tri Count: Assets range from 536 to 4826 Tris.
LODs: No
Number of Meshes: 46

golden schooner Jul 9, 2023, 11:58 PM

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DivDivide

long robin Jul 9, 2023, 11:58 PM

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holy crap 5000 tris frog_sweat

daring surge Jul 9, 2023, 11:58 PM

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daring surge > Tri Count: Assets range from 536 to 4826 Tris. > LODs: No > Number of Meshes: ...

so like 150k if instanced properly

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does that actually matter for modern stuff

dapper gorge Jul 9, 2023, 11:59 PM

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150k triangles?

daring surge Jul 9, 2023, 11:59 PM

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no, instanced vs non, ignoring memory usage

dapper gorge Jul 9, 2023, 11:59 PM

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Ah perhaps

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I did run into some memory limitations

golden schooner Jul 9, 2023, 11:59 PM

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thats when you upgraded to 128gb ram, and the Pro W7900

dapper gorge Jul 9, 2023, 11:59 PM

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But that was because I was importing 1 billion (instanced) triangle scenes bleakekw

daring surge Jul 10, 2023, 12:00 AM

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https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/base-yrs-25c68dc285aa42a7941f2cb7a2df5b3d
i like this model, too bad it is once again baked lighting!

Sketchfab

Egor Liashchuk

Base YRS - Download Free 3D model by Egor Liashchuk (@egorliashchuk)

My artstation: https://www.artstation.com/user-51871

I’ll be happy if you share your opinion about it! - Base YRS - Download Free 3D model by Egor Liashchuk (@egorliashchuk)

golden schooner Jul 10, 2023, 12:01 AM

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that looks neat indeed, kinda like the style of your game, in a future preset

daring surge Jul 10, 2023, 12:01 AM

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this would also be a fun minimal test scene

dapper gorge Jul 10, 2023, 12:03 AM

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@long robin when is the project starting I am impatient

long robin Jul 10, 2023, 12:03 AM

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I'm making the cmakelists rn

daring surge Jul 10, 2023, 12:03 AM

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yeah can we get a commit already

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geeze

dapper gorge Jul 10, 2023, 12:03 AM

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I want at least 300wpm

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That keyboard needs to fly

golden schooner Jul 10, 2023, 12:03 AM

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https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/very-worried-octopus-toys-ce3cf8ea1e014f6a975821e456426960

Sketchfab

Mad_Lobster_Workshop

Very Worried Octopus Toys - Download Free 3D model by Mad_Lobster_W...

3 variations of a very worried looking Octopus kid’s toy. What terror descending from above has these three mollusks so frightened? The world may never know. - Very Worried Octopus Toys - Download Free 3D model by Mad_Lobster_Workshop

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https://sketchfab.com/Mad_Lobster_Workshop/models they seem to have a bunch of neat assets

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also make a new post for the new thing 🙂

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and tmorrow we make fwog build on loonix again

wind trout Jul 10, 2023, 12:12 AM

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daring surge this would also be a fun minimal test scene

Where is this from? looks cool

daring surge Jul 10, 2023, 12:12 AM

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sketchfab

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eh?

fiery sorrel Jul 10, 2023, 2:13 AM

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git refrog

long robin Jul 10, 2023, 3:44 AM

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wow it looks just like 03_gltf_viewer

heavy cipher Jul 10, 2023, 5:51 AM

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majestic

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i'd like to see a slider for FSR that goes between 0 1 and 2

long robin Jul 10, 2023, 6:07 AM

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what would the numbers mean

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resolution scale?

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I think I need to unfuck the UI first and foremost

daring surge Jul 10, 2023, 6:18 AM

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i believe the suggestion was made in jest

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in reference to the version numbers, not the quality

long robin Jul 10, 2023, 6:19 AM

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oh lmao

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thank you peter for explaining the joke

daring surge Jul 10, 2023, 6:19 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/cheers-gif-18531494

Tenor

long robin Jul 10, 2023, 6:19 AM

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honestly not a bad suggestion though

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it just needs less a troll-y UI element

golden schooner Jul 10, 2023, 6:34 AM

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and more of a troll-x UI element?

long robin Jul 10, 2023, 6:51 AM

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@golden schooner how difficult is it to use imgui docking

daring surge Jul 10, 2023, 6:51 AM

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its not

long robin Jul 10, 2023, 6:51 AM

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cool

daring surge Jul 10, 2023, 6:51 AM

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well, it depends on what you mean

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rendering to a window can be kind of annoying actually

long robin Jul 10, 2023, 6:52 AM

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I'm already rendering to a texture

daring surge Jul 10, 2023, 6:52 AM

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yeah you'll probably be fine

long robin Jul 10, 2023, 6:52 AM

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fsr2 forces me to have decoupled rendering

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inshallah

daring surge Jul 10, 2023, 6:52 AM

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fortunately it's one of those things that once you plug in, you'll (probably) never have to touch again

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i have no memory of what my root dockspace looks like, but i'm checking

heavy cipher Jul 10, 2023, 6:53 AM

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ye, its quite alright

daring surge Jul 10, 2023, 6:54 AM

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oh but you also need decent input code if you have like

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first person cameras or whatever

long robin Jul 10, 2023, 6:55 AM

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hmm

daring surge Jul 10, 2023, 6:57 AM

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forces you to convert mouse coordinates to the viewport space

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which can be easy

heavy cipher Jul 10, 2023, 6:57 AM

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daring surge oh but you also need decent input code if you have like

nother good slider idea: index of person for camera

daring surge Jul 10, 2023, 6:58 AM

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or it can force you to make a bunch of code less shit, if it happens to be

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https://github.com/cajallen/spellbook/blob/main/src/editor/gui.cpp#L89
this is the root dockspace

golden schooner Jul 10, 2023, 6:58 AM

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daring surge its not

what gerry said

daring surge Jul 10, 2023, 6:58 AM

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really just this

    ImGuiViewport* viewport = ImGui::GetMainViewport();
    ImGui::SetNextWindowPos(viewport->Pos);
    ImGui::SetNextWindowSize(viewport->Size);
    ImGui::SetNextWindowViewport(viewport->ID);
    ImGui::SetNextWindowBgAlpha(0.0f);

    ImGuiWindowFlags window_flags = ImGuiWindowFlags_MenuBar | ImGuiWindowFlags_NoDocking;
    window_flags |= ImGuiWindowFlags_NoTitleBar | ImGuiWindowFlags_NoCollapse | ImGuiWindowFlags_NoResize | ImGuiWindowFlags_NoMove;
    window_flags |= ImGuiWindowFlags_NoBringToFrontOnFocus | ImGuiWindowFlags_NoNavFocus;

    ImGui::PushStyleVar(ImGuiStyleVar_WindowRounding, 0.0f);
    ImGui::PushStyleVar(ImGuiStyleVar_WindowBorderSize, 0.0f);
    ImGui::PushStyleVar(ImGuiStyleVar_WindowPadding, ImVec2(0.0f, 0.0f));
    ImGui::Begin("DockSpace Demo", nullptr, window_flags);
    ImGui::PopStyleVar(3);

    ImGuiID            dockspace_id    = ImGui::GetID("Dockspace");
    ImGuiDockNodeFlags dockspace_flags = ImGuiDockNodeFlags_PassthruCentralNode;
    ImGui::DockSpace(dockspace_id, ImVec2(0.0f, 0.0f), dockspace_flags);
    ImGui::End();```
then do all your windows

golden schooner Jul 10, 2023, 6:59 AM

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id for dockspace is not required, when you have just one

long robin Jul 10, 2023, 6:59 AM

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do I need all those PushStyleVar

daring surge Jul 10, 2023, 7:00 AM

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yes

golden schooner Jul 10, 2023, 7:00 AM

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i dont use styles for the root window

daring surge Jul 10, 2023, 7:00 AM

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i'm fairly certain i yoinked this from omar

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this places a full-sized window at 0,0 and disables all of the stuff

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so it's essentially invisible

long robin Jul 10, 2023, 7:00 AM

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I'm a wee confuzzled. When do I need to create actual OS windows?

daring surge Jul 10, 2023, 7:01 AM

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just do this after ImGui::NewFrame

long robin Jul 10, 2023, 7:01 AM

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or does imgui do that for me via callbacks

golden schooner Jul 10, 2023, 7:01 AM

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        ImGui.NewFrame();
        ImGui.DockSpaceOverViewport(null, ImGuiDockNodeFlags.PassthruCentralNode);
...

heavy cipher Jul 10, 2023, 7:01 AM

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thats not docking

daring surge Jul 10, 2023, 7:01 AM

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oh you're saying for viewports

heavy cipher Jul 10, 2023, 7:01 AM

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thats a different thing

long robin Jul 10, 2023, 7:01 AM

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ah

golden schooner Jul 10, 2023, 7:01 AM

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thats what i needed to enable docking though, inside the window, no external windows

daring surge Jul 10, 2023, 7:01 AM

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i have viewports disabled since i don't find them very useful, so i'm not sure

long robin Jul 10, 2023, 7:02 AM

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for some reason I recall the docking exshrimples having separate windows (like, the docky bits are outside of the main window)

daring surge Jul 10, 2023, 7:02 AM

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golden schooner ```cs ImGui.NewFrame(); ImGui.DockSpaceOverViewport(null, ImGuiD...

its very possible this could've been improved, so maybe my large block is outdated

golden schooner Jul 10, 2023, 7:02 AM

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do you want to support external windows?

long robin Jul 10, 2023, 7:02 AM

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no, that sounds hard

daring surge Jul 10, 2023, 7:02 AM

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there's a flag

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so don't enable it 🙂

long robin Jul 10, 2023, 7:04 AM

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a lil bias innit

daring surge Jul 10, 2023, 7:04 AM

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long robin no, that sounds hard

i've never found this useful in any program i've worked in

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but at the same time, i have a coworker who uses like 3 monitors

long robin Jul 10, 2023, 7:05 AM

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ok yeah the feature is called multi-viewport
https://github.com/ocornut/imgui/issues/1542

daring surge Jul 10, 2023, 7:05 AM

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and pulls windows out of our editor into all 3

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i do not get it

long robin Jul 10, 2023, 7:05 AM

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well at least in unreal it could be useful

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level editor on one window, blueprint/code on another

heavy cipher Jul 10, 2023, 7:06 AM

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dis your coworker?

daring surge Jul 10, 2023, 7:06 AM

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i would say it's that, but it's usually random windows

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like a material library or an info panel, i think he just prefers windows over tabs lmao

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i guess there are some people like that. i'm glad to not be one of them, though

long robin Jul 10, 2023, 7:07 AM

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there's spaces, tabs, and then this

golden schooner Jul 10, 2023, 7:08 AM

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separate windows is sometimes useful, generally speaking

daring surge Jul 10, 2023, 7:08 AM

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long robin there's spaces, tabs, and then this

long robin Jul 10, 2023, 8:19 AM

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hmm

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I hope deccer doesn't mind me calling him Biggus Deccus

golden schooner Jul 10, 2023, 10:09 AM

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i dont 🙂

long robin Jul 10, 2023, 10:22 AM

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what do you think mister deccus

golden schooner Jul 10, 2023, 10:24 AM

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neat

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colorscheme is shit, but thats not your fault

dapper gorge Jul 10, 2023, 10:25 AM

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You have achieved sponza renderer #4629896

golden schooner Jul 10, 2023, 10:25 AM

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to hide that ugly dropdown-chevron-downarrowthingies-next-to-the-tab there is another flag to be set

long robin Jul 10, 2023, 10:26 AM

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this layout is more better imo

long robin Jul 10, 2023, 10:27 AM

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golden schooner to hide that ugly dropdown-chevron-downarrowthingies-next-to-the-tab there is an...

oh yeah the NoCollapse flag or whatnot

golden schooner Jul 10, 2023, 10:27 AM

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ye i wasnt able to decipher from my code which one it was

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the name doesnt say what it is iirc

long robin Jul 10, 2023, 10:27 AM

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oh this is a different one

golden schooner Jul 10, 2023, 10:27 AM

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nocollapse means you cant collapse altogether

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are you also going to render to a texture and show the world in an imgui window? or just in fb0

long robin Jul 10, 2023, 10:28 AM

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hmm the demo doesn't have the flag

long robin Jul 10, 2023, 10:29 AM

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golden schooner are you also going to render to a texture and show the world in an imgui window?...

just fb0 for now I guess

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but to put it in a window would be more betterer

golden schooner Jul 10, 2023, 10:30 AM

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long robin hmm the demo doesn't have the flag

its in the style editor

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sorry for conchfusing it with a flag, its a style

long robin Jul 10, 2023, 10:33 AM

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what's the var called

golden schooner Jul 10, 2023, 10:35 AM

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style.WindowMenuButtonPosition = ImGuiDir.None;

long robin Jul 10, 2023, 10:37 AM

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it wurked nice

golden schooner Jul 10, 2023, 10:37 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/excellent-happy-mr-burns-simpsons-satisfied-gif-16091269

Tenor

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looks muhc better without that thing, neh?

long robin Jul 10, 2023, 10:41 AM

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ye

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it was kwite useless

golden schooner Jul 10, 2023, 10:42 AM

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do you also want to add icons?

long robin Jul 10, 2023, 10:42 AM

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now I gotta get me one of them fancy fonts with all the icons

golden schooner Jul 10, 2023, 10:42 AM

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haha

long robin Jul 10, 2023, 10:42 AM

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shared brain cell moment

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also nice name froge_love

golden schooner Jul 10, 2023, 10:42 AM

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curtesy of the wallpaper and spooder man

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https://github.com/juliettef/IconFontCppHeaders

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i have materialdesignicons going

long robin Jul 10, 2023, 10:44 AM

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can you post a pic of your thingy so I can rember

golden schooner Jul 10, 2023, 10:45 AM

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long robin Jul 10, 2023, 10:50 AM

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btw stuff is pushed to new repo

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running it would require removing the line where I hardcoded the absolute path of a model to load though

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plus I'm not doing anything interesting yet

golden schooner Jul 10, 2023, 10:51 AM

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fwog wont build here anyway atm

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something about optional is fooked

dapper gorge Jul 10, 2023, 10:51 AM

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long robin btw stuff is pushed to new repo

epic

long robin Jul 10, 2023, 10:52 AM

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I'm afraid I won't be doing any bindlessisms since I like being able to use renderdoc

dapper gorge Jul 10, 2023, 10:52 AM

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not epic

long robin Jul 10, 2023, 10:53 AM

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which means gpu-drivenisms are also epically nerfed 😦

dapper gorge Jul 10, 2023, 10:53 AM

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Damn

golden schooner Jul 10, 2023, 10:53 AM

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its not toally nerfed

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just bin textures into arrays

dapper gorge Jul 10, 2023, 10:53 AM

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so I'm essentially useless in this project bleakekw

long robin Jul 10, 2023, 10:54 AM

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golden schooner just bin textures into arrays

I think I can still do gpu culling without any texture batching even

golden schooner Jul 10, 2023, 10:54 AM

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yeah

dapper gorge Jul 10, 2023, 10:54 AM

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But le readback 😦

long robin Jul 10, 2023, 10:54 AM

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I'd have a bunch of MDIC calls instead

golden schooner Jul 10, 2023, 10:54 AM

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pushed to main branch still?

long robin Jul 10, 2023, 10:54 AM

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but texture arrays is an option. I'd just have to massage all incoming textures somehow

golden schooner Jul 10, 2023, 10:55 AM

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i was able to do it earlier, so you should be too 😛

long robin Jul 10, 2023, 10:55 AM

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golden schooner pushed to main branch still?

?

golden schooner Jul 10, 2023, 10:55 AM

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you said you pushed the changes

long robin Jul 10, 2023, 10:56 AM

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ah

golden schooner Jul 10, 2023, 10:56 AM

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oh

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im an idiot

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to new repo :>

long robin Jul 10, 2023, 10:56 AM

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https://github.com/JuanDiegoMontoya/Frogfood

golden schooner Jul 10, 2023, 10:56 AM

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anyway let me show you othe fwog errors

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with gcc 13.1.1

long robin Jul 10, 2023, 10:57 AM

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is that the latest commit

golden schooner Jul 10, 2023, 10:57 AM

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yes

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and clang 15.0.7

long robin Jul 10, 2023, 10:57 AM

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it passes CI froge_sad

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the gl.h thing is real though. for some reason msvc doesn't detect it

golden schooner Jul 10, 2023, 11:00 AM

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hmm

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c++23alreadyisms?

long robin Jul 10, 2023, 11:00 AM

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just c++20

golden schooner Jul 10, 2023, 11:01 AM

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ah gcc10 and 11 on ci

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mayhaps a gcc13thing

long robin Jul 10, 2023, 11:02 AM

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try replacing the for and two ifs in FrameBufferCache with these

    for (const auto& colorAttachment : renderInfo.colorAttachments)
    {
      attachments.colorAttachments.emplace_back(TextureProxy{
        colorAttachment.texture.get().GetCreateInfo(),
        detail::GetHandle(colorAttachment.texture),
      });
    }
    if (renderInfo.depthAttachment)
    {
      attachments.depthAttachment.emplace(TextureProxy{
        renderInfo.depthAttachment->texture.get().GetCreateInfo(),
        detail::GetHandle(renderInfo.depthAttachment->texture),
      });
    }
    if (renderInfo.stencilAttachment)
    {
      attachments.stencilAttachment.emplace(TextureProxy{
        renderInfo.stencilAttachment->texture.get().GetCreateInfo(),
        detail::GetHandle(renderInfo.stencilAttachment->texture),
      });
    }

golden schooner Jul 10, 2023, 11:03 AM

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trying to build with gcc12 first

long robin Jul 10, 2023, 11:04 AM

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should I add CI for newer GCC

golden schooner Jul 10, 2023, 11:04 AM

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perhaps

golden schooner Jul 10, 2023, 11:04 AM

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long robin try replacing the `for` and two `if`s in FrameBufferCache with these ```cpp ...

that fixes it

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otherwise with gcc12 same problem

long robin Jul 10, 2023, 11:05 AM

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schtrange

golden schooner Jul 10, 2023, 11:05 AM

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and that gl.h stuff is also still present which is weird

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nowhere do you include gl.h yourself

long robin Jul 10, 2023, 11:05 AM

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it's the order of glad and glfw includes

golden schooner Jul 10, 2023, 11:05 AM

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yeah

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weird that this error popped into existence

long robin Jul 10, 2023, 11:07 AM

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I'll add CI for GCC 13 I guess

golden schooner Jul 10, 2023, 11:08 AM

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didnt we have clang there too?

long robin Jul 10, 2023, 11:08 AM

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just gcc10 and 11 it seems

golden schooner Jul 10, 2023, 11:08 AM

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mayhaps we got rid of it again for some reason

long robin Jul 10, 2023, 11:08 AM

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but I mean clang is basically the same as gcc :^)

golden schooner Jul 10, 2023, 11:09 AM

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im not asking you to add it

long robin Jul 10, 2023, 11:11 AM

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golden schooner mayhaps we got rid of it again for some reason

it was never there I guess
https://github.com/JuanDiegoMontoya/Fwog/blame/main/.github/workflows/cmake.yml

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ok I schlep now, 🇬🇳

golden schooner Jul 10, 2023, 11:13 AM

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frogfood built btw

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long robin Jul 10, 2023, 11:13 AM

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golden schooner frogfood built btw

wait how

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are you using gcc11

golden schooner Jul 10, 2023, 11:14 AM

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13 for frogfood

long robin Jul 10, 2023, 11:14 AM

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🇹🇫

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it's using the busted version of fwog

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oh well, it won't matter once I update it

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🇬🇳 once again

golden schooner Jul 10, 2023, 11:15 AM

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perhaps frogfood doesnt build the fwog examples ;p

long robin Jul 10, 2023, 11:15 AM

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golden schooner perhaps frogfood doesnt build the fwog examples ;p

ye but the broken stuff I had you manually patch is used everywhere

golden schooner Jul 10, 2023, 11:15 AM

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hmm also true

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anywho we deal with it later

long robin Jul 10, 2023, 11:16 AM

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C++ moment

golden schooner Jul 10, 2023, 11:16 AM

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rest my wallpaper man

signal widget Jul 10, 2023, 11:24 AM

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daring surge this would also be a fun minimal test scene

That reminds me something, is that a public scene ?

golden schooner Jul 10, 2023, 4:04 PM

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signal widget That reminds me something, is that a public scene ?

san miguel cafe thingy perhaps?

daring surge Jul 10, 2023, 4:05 PM

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signal widget That reminds me something, is that a public scene ?

its this, baked lighting unfortunately though https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/an-afternoon-in-a-persian-garden-b13afbaf1aae4f6aad03aaa081ce471e

Sketchfab

Shahriar Shahrabi

An afternoon in a Persian Garden - Download Free 3D model by Shahri...

MAKE SURE TO SET THE TEXTURE QUALITY TO HD. In your viewer select on Settings and set the texture quality to HD instead of SD to get the maximum resolution.

The day version of a persian garden scene I modeled for my fluid simulation in Unity. I made it with Blender and Substance, you can view my reference board here: https://www.pinterest.de/sh...

golden schooner Jul 10, 2023, 4:06 PM

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cute little scene

signal widget Jul 10, 2023, 4:08 PM

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daring surge its this, baked lighting unfortunately though https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/an...

Thx !

long robin Jul 10, 2023, 4:59 PM

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It came to me in a dream that I could render the scene bindlessless style (but still gpu driven) if I did deferred texturing or visbuffer

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@dapper gorge consider your employment offer unreneged

dapper gorge Jul 10, 2023, 5:01 PM

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absolutely epic

long robin Jul 10, 2023, 6:40 PM

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duccus made this for me: #1128020727380054046

golden schooner Jul 10, 2023, 6:49 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/teşkilat-tesko-teskilat-zehra-balaban-pursing-lips-gif-25693168

Tenor

golden schooner Jul 10, 2023, 9:52 PM

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fwog compiles again btw

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and we have to conditionally link tbb somehow

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did we not address that already?

long robin Jul 10, 2023, 9:53 PM

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I thought you added a thingy for that in the cmake already

golden schooner Jul 10, 2023, 9:54 PM

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yeah

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thought so too

long robin Jul 10, 2023, 9:54 PM

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examples/cmakelists.txt

golden schooner Jul 10, 2023, 9:54 PM

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ah

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its not in there

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its also absent from frogwood then

daring surge Jul 10, 2023, 10:09 PM

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frogwood sounds like a place

final cove Jul 10, 2023, 10:36 PM

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Frogwood Place sounds expensive

golden schooner Jul 10, 2023, 10:38 PM

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it better be

long robin Jul 10, 2023, 10:39 PM

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it's after boardwalk and park place on the monopoly board, in a secret location

golden schooner Jul 10, 2023, 10:40 PM

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how do you call these white pavillon-esque wooden constructs you seein parks sometimes?

long robin Jul 10, 2023, 10:41 PM

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gazebo?

golden schooner Jul 10, 2023, 10:42 PM

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hmm, could be

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oui

long robin Jul 10, 2023, 10:43 PM

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gazebo

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I like all the names we have for little outdoor structures

golden schooner Jul 10, 2023, 10:44 PM

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the fancy one is exactly what i had in mind

final cove Jul 10, 2023, 10:59 PM

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like a bikeshed

wind trout Jul 11, 2023, 10:18 PM

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Off topic but on phone I just realized if you tap the top of the screen it jumps to the first post

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My problems are finally solved

golden schooner Jul 11, 2023, 10:25 PM

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oh do you mind linking the top post from here and over in enginekit?

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then i can pin them

wind trout Jul 11, 2023, 10:25 PM

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#1019779751600205955 message

golden schooner Jul 11, 2023, 10:28 PM

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kewl, merci

daring surge Jul 12, 2023, 6:26 PM

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@long robin (sidenote, i just typed @fwog without thinking about it) about the multiplayer galaga, but unironically, how did that go?

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thinking about tinkering around a bit with something with networking on the side

daring surge Jul 12, 2023, 6:43 PM

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oh, that thread is still alive and actually provided the answer relatively recently

long robin Jul 12, 2023, 7:38 PM

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Yeah it's kinda in limbo

daring surge Jul 12, 2023, 7:40 PM

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any thoughts on the fun/learning aspects of it? worth it for you or not?

long robin Jul 12, 2023, 7:43 PM

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I didn't get very far, but it was kind of fun while I was doing it

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And definitely very informative

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It's satisfying watching a second copy of the game correctly receive inputs from the first, much like rendering hello triangle is

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I will say it's been very hard to make an architecture that supports networking. Perhaps that's a krill issue though

daring surge Jul 12, 2023, 7:51 PM

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was the networking side just win32/std interacting?

long robin Jul 12, 2023, 7:54 PM

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I used enet because I didn't want to deal with socket bs

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Just sending messages and whatnot

daring surge Jul 12, 2023, 7:56 PM

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kk, ty

dire badge Jul 12, 2023, 7:57 PM

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Sockets are not that hard. I have the basic building blocks ready but I have too many other things to do froge_sad

daring surge Jul 12, 2023, 8:01 PM

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with the engine or with life? :P

dire badge Jul 12, 2023, 8:02 PM

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I have time allocated for both.

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Engine is more of a mess. Life is mostly simple enough.

daring surge Jul 12, 2023, 8:05 PM

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i usually have like 5-10 hours a week to work on personal projects PepeHands

dire badge Jul 12, 2023, 8:06 PM

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Yeah that time is limited

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I am currently on vacation, but that time is mostly for "life"

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I managed to make one 36kloc commit to erhe though nervous

daring surge Jul 12, 2023, 8:08 PM

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monkaW that's like my entire project size

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if even

dire badge Jul 12, 2023, 8:09 PM

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That was just refactoring

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Correcting past mistakes

daring surge Jul 12, 2023, 8:09 PM

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ye i have 26k sloc lol

dire badge Jul 12, 2023, 8:18 PM

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I deleted 20k+ lines, added 15k+ lines, according to git. A lot of search and replace

long robin Jul 13, 2023, 1:05 AM

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net -5k lines froge_love

long robin Jul 13, 2023, 7:35 PM

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#1019965526434394173 message
meanwhile, fwog has 0 tests

golden schooner Jul 13, 2023, 7:41 PM

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but asserts

dapper gorge Jul 13, 2023, 7:41 PM

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our library has the power of the froge

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It cannot possibly be wrong

long robin Jul 13, 2023, 7:43 PM

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golden schooner but asserts

true, no need for tests in that case smart

golden schooner Jul 13, 2023, 7:44 PM

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unit tests do make more sense for fastgltf

long robin Jul 13, 2023, 7:56 PM

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there are a few testable things in fwog

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like CopyImageToBuffer and vice versa

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could also test rendering in various ways, like making sure attachments are correctly written to in the right places, etc

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could also make sure certain invalid behavior is caught by the asserts

golden schooner Jul 13, 2023, 8:25 PM

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yeah all the things where createXXXInfo is involved

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and begin/endrenderin makes sense with graphics/compute isms

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without any glXXX nonsense

oak garden Jul 13, 2023, 9:13 PM

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it is pretty hard to test this stuff

golden schooner Jul 13, 2023, 9:13 PM

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not really

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it only requires all akchual glCalls to be refactored out into an interface of sorts

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then you can mock those functions during test (ie not invoke them at all, because they have been overrrrrridden by empty funcs)

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but you can test your logic around them

long robin Jul 13, 2023, 9:17 PM

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I was thinking about testing actual functionality rather than API usage

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which requires a driver of some sort

golden schooner Jul 13, 2023, 9:17 PM

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ah

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perhaps one could implement something in mesa

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where glXXX is just logging to some stringbuffer

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which you can assert on

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ah no you just said, actual funktschionality

long robin Jul 13, 2023, 9:18 PM

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ye like making sure CopyImageToBuffer doesn't fook up the format or something

golden schooner Jul 13, 2023, 9:18 PM

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id not test that

long robin Jul 13, 2023, 9:18 PM

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y not

golden schooner Jul 13, 2023, 9:18 PM

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id add validations as part of the program logic

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and unit test those

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image and buffer descriptor have all the info needed

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and you made assumptions around those when implementing CopyImageToBuffer

long robin Jul 13, 2023, 9:19 PM

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why can't I unit test individual functions

oak garden Jul 13, 2023, 9:20 PM

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i think the problem is the amount of setup required for a lot of test scenarios involving graphics

golden schooner Jul 13, 2023, 9:20 PM

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if that involves glGetImage/glGetBuffer then this could be done prohabs

oak garden Jul 13, 2023, 9:20 PM

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creating a pipeline, resources, etc

daring surge Jul 13, 2023, 9:20 PM

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out of curiosity, do you look back on any problem in recent past with the thought that unit tests would've helped with?

golden schooner Jul 13, 2023, 9:20 PM

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it just requires a bit more glue

long robin Jul 13, 2023, 9:20 PM

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daring surge out of curiosity, do you look back on any problem in recent past with the though...

idk bleakekw

golden schooner Jul 13, 2023, 9:20 PM

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its not about whether unit tests are useful or not

long robin Jul 13, 2023, 9:21 PM

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but I've had a lot of bugs, so they'd've probably helped at some point

golden schooner Jul 13, 2023, 9:21 PM

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especially for everything else, which isnt pure api calls

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just like sean's thing earlier, where someone tried to load a model, but didnt provide a proper option, which lead to some nuh uh

long robin Jul 13, 2023, 9:22 PM

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I suffer from edge cases causing issues, and idk if unit tests could help with that

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there are a lot of edges

hollow crystal Jul 14, 2023, 1:29 AM

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you should use voxels then KEKW

long robin Jul 18, 2023, 6:19 PM

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least broken OpenGL implementation
https://github.com/JuanDiegoMontoya/Fwog/issues/91

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erroring because there isn't a newline after a line directive is lame

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redundant fbo is meh

digital lion Jul 18, 2023, 6:27 PM

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passing 0 for the size in glBindBufferRange also gives a debug message on my rx 5700 xt

long robin Jul 18, 2023, 6:29 PM

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hmm how should I "unbind" buffers then

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hecc

GL_INVALID_VALUE is generated if size is less than or equal to zero, or if offset + size is greater than the value of GL_BUFFER_SIZE.

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I guess I can make a dummy buffer with 1 byte of data in it

digital lion Jul 18, 2023, 6:33 PM

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or maybe this
glBindBufferRange(GL_SHADER_STORAGE_BUFFER, index, 0, 0, 1);

long robin Jul 18, 2023, 6:35 PM

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I think it'll still error

[...] or if offset + size is greater than the value of GL_BUFFER_SIZE.

digital lion Jul 18, 2023, 6:38 PM

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oh ok

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it didnt throw a debug message for me

long robin Jul 18, 2023, 6:39 PM

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I'm going to presume intel is anal about this and will still error

golden schooner Jul 18, 2023, 6:40 PM

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perhaps @dire badge could try that kwikly, he has an intel xe at hand

digital lion Jul 18, 2023, 6:40 PM

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other idea:
glBindBufferBase(GL_SHADER_STORAGE_BUFFER, 0, 0);

long robin Jul 18, 2023, 6:41 PM

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hmm perchance

long robin Jul 18, 2023, 7:00 PM

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need someone on intel to test these

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I think I'll be safe just binding a dummy buffer and no one has to test

golden schooner Jul 18, 2023, 7:01 PM

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basil also has one

long robin Jul 22, 2023, 7:43 AM

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what's a better interface for clearing buffers?
https://registry.khronos.org/OpenGL-Refpages/gl4/html/glClearBufferSubData.xhtml
https://registry.khronos.org/vulkan/specs/1.3-extensions/man/html/vkCmdFillBuffer.html

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the gl one does format conversions and shit which is meh

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it's also really easy to use it wrong

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ok I'm convinced

golden schooner Jul 22, 2023, 8:07 AM

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which did you pick?

long robin Jul 22, 2023, 8:07 AM

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oppa vulkan style

heavy cipher Jul 22, 2023, 8:08 AM

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pick the gl one, but limit extent of clear based on draw state and scissor (liberal interpretation of coordinates allowed)

golden schooner Jul 22, 2023, 8:09 AM

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its been a second since i looked at fwog, does Buffer know its format?

long robin Jul 22, 2023, 8:10 AM

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non't

golden schooner Jul 22, 2023, 8:10 AM

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hmm

long robin Jul 22, 2023, 8:10 AM

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basically no

golden schooner Jul 22, 2023, 8:10 AM

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i got it

long robin Jul 22, 2023, 8:10 AM

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but there is a TypedBuffer template which simplifies a couple things

golden schooner Jul 22, 2023, 8:10 AM

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then one could do xxxClear(buffer, offset, extent)

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and format is inferred/taken from buffer->desc->format

long robin Jul 22, 2023, 8:11 AM

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you can't really set a struct layout and clear to that unfortunately

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in gl, your largest "clear element" is basically vec4

golden schooner Jul 22, 2023, 8:12 AM

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hmm that explains why i fill vec4s too

long robin Jul 22, 2023, 8:12 AM

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in vulkan, the buffer is treated as being filled with uint32, and you set one value to clear to

golden schooner Jul 22, 2023, 8:12 AM

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we are in gl space though

long robin Jul 22, 2023, 8:12 AM

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yeah but the gl way is annoying with having different format sizes

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simplifying it to this is nice

  struct BufferClearInfo
  {
    uint64_t offset = 0;
    uint64_t size = WHOLE_BUFFER;
    uint32_t data = 0;
  };

golden schooner Jul 22, 2023, 8:13 AM

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i was about to ask, whether you usually clear the whole buffer or rects in a buffer

long robin Jul 22, 2023, 8:14 AM

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rects frogstare

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talking about buffer buffers btw, not texture buffers (in the sense that opengl calls framebuffer attachments "buffers") 😄

golden schooner Jul 22, 2023, 8:14 AM

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fair, offset/size then

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unrolled rects 😄

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perchance provide 2 ways then

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one clear clears the whole thing, the other provides an unrolled rect way

long robin Jul 22, 2023, 8:16 AM

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if you specify no parameters with {}, then it will clear the whole thing to 0

golden schooner Jul 22, 2023, 8:16 AM

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that sounds like idiomatic c++

long robin Jul 22, 2023, 8:16 AM

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the GL way of having "internal format" and "upload format/type" and type conversions is kinda icky

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vulkan way is shrimple and easy to use correctly, which I likey

golden schooner Jul 22, 2023, 8:17 AM

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ill withdraw my commentary

long robin Jul 22, 2023, 8:18 AM

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golden schooner that sounds like idiomatic c++

here's an example of real usage

  // Clear all the indirect draw fields to zero, then set the instance count to one (this way should be more efficient than a CPU-side buffer update)
  meshletIndirectCommand->FillData({});
  meshletIndirectCommand->FillData({
    .offset = offsetof(Fwog::DrawIndexedIndirectCommand, instanceCount),
    .size = sizeof(uint32_t),
    .data = 1,
  });

golden schooner Jul 22, 2023, 8:18 AM

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ok the part after the comma is a horse conch

long robin Jul 22, 2023, 8:19 AM

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heh

golden schooner Jul 22, 2023, 8:19 AM

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you googled it

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: >

long robin Jul 22, 2023, 8:19 AM

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nein

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fill commands are cheap because they actually happen on the device and don't require any sync/shadow copies with the host

golden schooner Jul 22, 2023, 8:20 AM

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i am ok with fill/clear calls, no questions asked

long robin Jul 22, 2023, 8:20 AM

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downside is that you are limited in how much data you can upload (4 bytes in vulkan, 16 bytes in gl), kinda like push constants

golden schooner Jul 22, 2023, 8:21 AM

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the {} is conchfusing, or is that how c++ frogs would make that interface

long robin Jul 22, 2023, 8:21 AM

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I'm using a parameter struct just for consistency, but yeah that's how you would default initialize one with maximum ease

golden schooner Jul 22, 2023, 8:22 AM

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WHOLE_BUFFER is 0 then

long robin Jul 22, 2023, 8:22 AM

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it's actually UINT_MAX or something like that

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but it doesn't matter to the user

golden schooner Jul 22, 2023, 8:22 AM

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ah i get it

long robin Jul 22, 2023, 8:22 AM

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the field will be initialized to whatever I put in the struct definition

golden schooner Jul 22, 2023, 8:22 AM

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ignore what i said

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yeah

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i shouldnvttnve

long robin Jul 22, 2023, 8:23 AM

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I'm also not saying this is necessarily the most idiomatic way, but it does seem decent as far as C++ ways go

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I think default being "clear whole buffer to 0" is reasonable

golden schooner Jul 22, 2023, 8:25 AM

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ah i probably worded it weirdly

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i didnt mean that you did some c++thing which makes no sense

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i was wondering if thats how c++ frogs would akchually do/design such a thing (pass {} like that)

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ill go back into my corner of the cave 🙂

long robin Jul 22, 2023, 8:26 AM

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I just changed the function to have a default param so you can actually pass "nothing" 😄

golden schooner Jul 22, 2023, 8:26 AM

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: )

long robin Jul 22, 2023, 8:26 AM

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because ({}) is kinda weird

golden schooner Jul 22, 2023, 8:28 AM

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it do be looking funny

long robin Jul 22, 2023, 8:28 AM

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{} is a normal way to default init structs in other contexts, but yeah it do be kinda odd for params

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lol

golden schooner Jul 22, 2023, 8:28 AM

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yeah, i am aware of that

long robin Jul 22, 2023, 8:28 AM

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I'm sure the idiomatic C# way would require 10x less bikeshedding to figure out

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or maybe I'm underestimating the average C#acean's ability to 'shed

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btw
https://clementineaccount.github.io/posts/my-experiences-using-fwog/

Clementine’s Personal Site

My experiences using Fwog

A personal portfoilo site for Clementine.

golden schooner Jul 22, 2023, 8:31 AM

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portfoilo 🙂 heart_bounce

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"The creator of Fwog is active and easy to collaborate with on a community that I am involved in" 🙂

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are you referring to "...easy to collaborate with..."?

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hehe

long robin Jul 22, 2023, 8:32 AM

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that is clem's site btw

golden schooner Jul 22, 2023, 8:33 AM

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i know

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i like the darker theme muh more than the one before

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in c# alot of people would also just provide params

long robin Jul 22, 2023, 8:35 AM

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but then you end up with 3000 parameters of allah

golden schooner Jul 22, 2023, 8:35 AM

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not necessarily

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and thats outrageous as well

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either some nonsense like Create/Upload-isms

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for the update unrolled rect way, or a complete different method for clearing the whole as is, without any param, other than the buffer

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clear might just be part of the buffer construct as well, and not of context

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eh, i like your way better

heavy cipher Jul 22, 2023, 8:38 AM

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remember the buffer of theseus

long robin Jul 22, 2023, 8:39 AM

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my buffer API be looking like that fr

#Fwog and co.