Fwog and co. | Graphics Programming | Page 12

golden schooner Mar 30, 2023, 8:20 PM

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fair

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hmm when i read it again it actually makes much more sense

long robin Mar 30, 2023, 8:24 PM

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Yeah I should remove dat

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Wait

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I keep it because of ImGui

golden schooner Mar 30, 2023, 8:26 PM

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my imgui is currently washed out with srgb enabled 🙂

shell inlet Mar 30, 2023, 8:26 PM

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that is normal

golden schooner Mar 30, 2023, 8:26 PM

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jakers isnt

shell inlet Mar 30, 2023, 8:27 PM

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that is abnormal

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he might be using a custom imgui shader

long robin Mar 30, 2023, 8:27 PM

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I'm just rendering imgui with srgb off

shell inlet Mar 30, 2023, 8:28 PM

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how would that work

golden schooner Mar 30, 2023, 8:28 PM

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not even adhering to his own standards

long robin Mar 30, 2023, 8:28 PM

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Why would you render a gui with srgb on

golden schooner Mar 30, 2023, 8:28 PM

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shrimply glDisable(GL_FRAMEUFFER_SRGB)

shell inlet Mar 30, 2023, 8:28 PM

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is it a separate framebuffer? still, you are haiving a srgb swapchain

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its gonna get wased out if you present it

golden schooner Mar 30, 2023, 8:29 PM

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you can enable/disable that thing whenever you like

shell inlet Mar 30, 2023, 8:29 PM

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but the scene is then also presented in linear

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rendered image

long robin Mar 30, 2023, 8:29 PM

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You can switch it dynamically in gl

shell inlet Mar 30, 2023, 8:29 PM

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how does that work

long robin Mar 30, 2023, 8:30 PM

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It just makes the linear->srgb not happen when it's disabled

shell inlet Mar 30, 2023, 8:30 PM

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ok so it's applying transfer function on write then ok

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actually ok that I think is how it should be

long robin Mar 30, 2023, 8:31 PM

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I presume imgui colors were authored in srgb, so it doesn't make sense to do the conversion

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Only problem is that the color picker is screwed up, but that's because omar doesn't understand how sRGB works

shell inlet Mar 30, 2023, 8:31 PM

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that makes color picker use srgb values also

long robin Mar 30, 2023, 8:31 PM

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Yeah that's fine

shell inlet Mar 30, 2023, 8:31 PM

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unless you want linear

long robin Mar 30, 2023, 8:32 PM

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It's just the blending that's jacked up

shell inlet Mar 30, 2023, 8:32 PM

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when you use float vectors

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for hdr

golden schooner Mar 30, 2023, 8:32 PM

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i was also sinking (in context of beginrendertoframebuffer) to only enable srgb, when a color attachment has a SRGBy format

shell inlet Mar 30, 2023, 8:33 PM

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long robin It's just the blending that's jacked up

is it actually rendered via blended layers?

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should be per pixel if you are sane

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it's using hsv color space iirc for picking

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or hsl

long robin Mar 30, 2023, 8:34 PM

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I mean interpolation, my b

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Not blending as in compositing

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The problem is they interpolate between colors in srgb

shell inlet Mar 30, 2023, 8:36 PM

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tbh it's gonna appear more uniform like that I think

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wait nope

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only if black and white

long robin Mar 30, 2023, 8:36 PM

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It just means the colors look like poopoo

shell inlet Mar 30, 2023, 8:37 PM

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color gradients will get dark spots

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srgb is nonlinear

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ok that's also not right

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should be fine but perceptually more linear than if you were to use linear colorspacce to generate gradients, and also should distribute precision uniformly

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generating in lkinear and ten converting to srgb is going to compress blacks and expand whites

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ok wait need to test my clain about orecision

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if we generate gradient in srgb its gonna require no change before presentation and bits will remain uniformly distributed

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sounds riht

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generating gradient in linear will shift bits towards blacks and you might get bigger banding around whites

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linear, srgb transfer function and difference

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no wait it;s the opposite

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hmmmmm or maybe not

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yeah it's not

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all I said is right I tried to plot bit shifts

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got this but remembered that the transfer function is linear->srgb

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so it's decoding

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encoding would give oppsite effect it would compress the white

long robin Mar 30, 2023, 9:21 PM

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just don't do linear operations in a nonlinear encoding

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shrimple as dat

long robin Mar 30, 2023, 10:06 PM

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you begin a fake command buffer when you start a render pass in fwog

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so I just put all the stuff that can only be called in that scope in the Cmd namespace, mostly because I couldn't think of a better name

fiery sorrel Mar 31, 2023, 12:22 AM

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They disappeared so it k

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So heres somethin @long robin

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Like

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Buffers need to have data passed in when constructed i think

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gltf viewer just clears their buffres after construction

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Nvm i need to look again to see i kinda frogor my point

long robin Mar 31, 2023, 12:27 AM

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frogor

wind trout Mar 31, 2023, 1:16 AM

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Quick fwog question: can it target GL 4 lower than 4.6?

long robin Mar 31, 2023, 1:20 AM

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I haven't tried, but you'll probably get errors if you make a sampler (since it uses anisotropic filtering) or try to use one of the Draw*IndirectCount commands

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so 4.5 is probably 95% supported, while anything below will require an extension to enable DSA

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and you'll need more extensions as you decrease the version

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but tbf, most of the extensions you'd need are rather ubiquitous

wind trout Mar 31, 2023, 1:23 AM

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Interesting ok. The version I had in mind was 4.3, I need to check what all .4 and .5 added

long robin Mar 31, 2023, 1:23 AM

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https://www.khronos.org/opengl/wiki/History_of_OpenGL

History of OpenGL

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4.3 might be doable with the right extensions

wind trout Mar 31, 2023, 1:25 AM

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That web page is great. Also I’m shocked how old 4.3 is, I probably shouldn’t be shocked but I am lol

long robin Mar 31, 2023, 1:27 AM

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I'd need these to support 4.3

ARB_buffer_storage
ARB_clear_texture (optional)
ARB_texture_barrier (optional)
ARB_direct_state_access
ARB_clip_control (optional)
ARB_texture_filter_anisotropic (optional)
ARB_indirect_parameters (optional)

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the optional ones just mean that some features of fwog use these, but they aren't critical

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so really just DSA and immutable storage are necessary to have

wind trout Mar 31, 2023, 4:09 AM

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Ok awesome makes sense

long robin Mar 31, 2023, 4:39 AM

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somehow I made my toctree have both bullets and numbers

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it appeared after I added :numbered: to the toctree directive, but now it won't go away even after a rebuild nervous

shell inlet Mar 31, 2023, 6:12 AM

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it must be using some sort of caching

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can't see any other reasons why it should remain after being deleted nervous

shell inlet Mar 31, 2023, 6:28 AM

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btw I have no time to work on fwog rip

fiery sorrel Mar 31, 2023, 6:35 AM

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i dont have the skill to work on fwog yet but i got the skill to work with fwog

shell inlet Mar 31, 2023, 6:38 AM

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I only wanted to add static probe GI sample

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and maybe add pbr

long robin Mar 31, 2023, 10:10 AM

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okay.gif

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the issue must be that these bullets only update when I add a new section (and I guess rebuilding the project doesn't clear the docs)

oak garden Mar 31, 2023, 10:25 AM

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“Creating a Fwog”

fiery sorrel Mar 31, 2023, 10:26 AM

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What is fwog usin to load gltf rn

long robin Mar 31, 2023, 10:27 AM

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oak garden “Creating a Fwog”

I unintentionally cut off the word "context", but maybe I'll update it

long robin Mar 31, 2023, 10:27 AM

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fiery sorrel What is fwog usin to load gltf rn

tinygltf

oak garden Mar 31, 2023, 10:28 AM

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long robin I unintentionally cut off the word "context", but maybe I'll update it

I think you should froge

fiery sorrel Mar 31, 2023, 10:30 AM

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long robin tinygltf

Ah oki

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Was considerin puttin @wind jasper 's fast gltf for my fwog game

long robin Mar 31, 2023, 10:31 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/thanos-avengers-infinity-war-mind-stone-last-stone-infinity-gauntlet-gif-15735729

Tenor

wind jasper Mar 31, 2023, 10:31 AM

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hello

fiery sorrel Mar 31, 2023, 10:31 AM

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Hi

long robin Mar 31, 2023, 10:31 AM

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basil using all the gp discord projects at once

fiery sorrel Mar 31, 2023, 10:32 AM

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Would that be my contribution to the gp diacord

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An actually finished non bikesheded game

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That uses the gp projects i need

long robin Mar 31, 2023, 10:32 AM

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and alpha testing all of our libs at the same time KEKW

fiery sorrel Mar 31, 2023, 10:32 AM

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Yea

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Dogfooder Tess

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I think im gonna make a mouse clicking scene in fwog

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And load a car

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Later tonite

valid oriole Mar 31, 2023, 10:47 AM

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be sure to use zink to translate GL to vulkan and then test on radv

fiery sorrel Mar 31, 2023, 10:48 AM

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whats radv n zink

long robin Mar 31, 2023, 10:50 AM

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zink: gl-to-vulkan layer
radv: 🅱️ulkan driver for AMD geepeeyous

long robin Mar 31, 2023, 12:23 PM

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be me
add pipelines to GL because they're clearly such a good idea
https://github.com/KhronosGroup/Vulkan-Docs/blob/main/proposals/VK_EXT_shader_object.adoc

oak garden Mar 31, 2023, 12:25 PM

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wtf is that extension lol

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are they trying to make this gl with extra steps

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also what does this solve that dynamic state doesnt

long robin Mar 31, 2023, 12:28 PM

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I guess you can use this fake GL stuff to issue draws really quickly without compiling a bunch of stuff first, and in the background make actual optimized pipelines to swap in when they're done

oak garden Mar 31, 2023, 12:29 PM

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seems anti vulkan

long robin Mar 31, 2023, 12:29 PM

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but it all depends on how drivers implement this thing. It sounds familiar, doesn't it bleakekw

oak garden Mar 31, 2023, 12:29 PM

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bleakekw

fiery sorrel Mar 31, 2023, 12:31 PM

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hi @long robin how should I think about DYNAMIC_STORAGE

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i want to create an index buffer and vertex buffer not declared on the Application startup

long robin Mar 31, 2023, 12:31 PM

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if set, you can call subdata on the buffer

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otherwise you can't

fiery sorrel Mar 31, 2023, 12:31 PM

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but the constructors for the vertex buffers are like

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'we need data now pwease'

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so do I just make it dynamic storage and subdata my data later

long robin Mar 31, 2023, 12:32 PM

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if you want to upload data later, use a map flag or add the dynamic storage flag

fiery sorrel Mar 31, 2023, 12:32 PM

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yea

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but the buffers cant be resized right?

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so rn i got this

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but I want to add to squarePos later (and squareIndices)

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so do i just make those vertex buffer dynamic storage

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and subdata those in without issue

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here it says constant size

long robin Mar 31, 2023, 12:33 PM

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you could put the buffer in a std optional and delay its init

fiery sorrel Mar 31, 2023, 12:33 PM

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and i am like 'but why use big buffer if small buffers do trick'

fiery sorrel Mar 31, 2023, 12:33 PM

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long robin you could put the buffer in a std optional and delay its init

oh cool TIL about std optional

long robin Mar 31, 2023, 12:34 PM

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fiery sorrel but the buffers cant be resized right?

Correct

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You have to make a new one

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You can just do buffer = Fwog::Buffer(...) to delete the old one

fiery sorrel Mar 31, 2023, 12:35 PM

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thats also another option yea

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oh i can also just overload CreateInfo cant i

long robin Mar 31, 2023, 12:37 PM

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Not sure what you mean

fiery sorrel Mar 31, 2023, 12:37 PM

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well so the thing i am tryin to do here is

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I cant pass in the vertices and indices to a constructor here

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but I want the pos, colors and indices to be dynamically allocated at runtime before i construct my applciation

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and ofc i wanna try n solve it without creating a separate constructor by copy and paste

long robin Mar 31, 2023, 12:39 PM

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ah, you're using the example framework?

fiery sorrel Mar 31, 2023, 12:39 PM

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ye

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I know I dont need to

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but its fun to try n figure out how to overcome this annoyance with the limitations here

long robin Mar 31, 2023, 12:40 PM

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I have idea

long robin Mar 31, 2023, 12:40 PM

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fiery sorrel I cant pass in the vertices and indices to a constructor here

Why can't you pass vertices and indices here?

fiery sorrel Mar 31, 2023, 12:40 PM

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I can if they are constexpr

long robin Mar 31, 2023, 12:40 PM

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Because fwog isn't loaded?

fiery sorrel Mar 31, 2023, 12:41 PM

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but like

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oh wait yea nvm im tired

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I can use initalization list just like i was earlier

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lmfao sorry

long robin Mar 31, 2023, 12:41 PM

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frogapprove

fiery sorrel Mar 31, 2023, 12:42 PM

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just so used to constructors doin stuff inside them

long robin Mar 31, 2023, 12:43 PM

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I think in my thing I shrimply put the buffers in std optional and load the vertices in the app constructor

long robin Mar 31, 2023, 12:43 PM

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fiery sorrel just so used to constructors doin stuff inside them

I like to put stuff in the initializer list when possible

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And the way Fwog types work basically makes it a requirement

fiery sorrel Mar 31, 2023, 12:45 PM

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yea u forced me to re-learn to give a shit about ininitalizer list

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instead of Init() function calling stuff

long robin Mar 31, 2023, 12:45 PM

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But std optional is a way to subvert that in a safe way

fiery sorrel Mar 31, 2023, 12:46 PM

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I remmebered as a baby C++

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I had like

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really long ininitalization lists

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before switching to Init() lifestyle

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or passing in CreateInfo type references

long robin Mar 31, 2023, 12:46 PM

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Go to RsmTechnique.cpp for a long initializer list

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It's in examples/common

fiery sorrel Mar 31, 2023, 12:47 PM

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ive made longer

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for really trivial shit

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like a gameobject instance

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was not very shrimple

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but ty Jaker for teaching me about std::optional

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now I no longer need to use pointers for that 'does this exist or not' logic

long robin Mar 31, 2023, 12:48 PM

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std::optional is based

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C++23 adds std::expected which is baseder

fiery sorrel Mar 31, 2023, 12:50 PM

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whens C++29 gonna add std::based

oak garden Mar 31, 2023, 12:56 PM

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std::expected is the Result<T, E>type right

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yes, cool

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bleakkekw new gateway to UB

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why is it designed this way bruh

long robin Mar 31, 2023, 1:00 PM

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operator* is like that for optional

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I guess it's supposed to be the cheapest way to access the object

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if you want the access to be checked, you use .value()

oak garden Mar 31, 2023, 1:02 PM

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yeah

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doesnt feel like something that should be exposed to the api tbh

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maybe im too influenced by rust nowadays

long robin Mar 31, 2023, 1:04 PM

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perchance

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Think of it like operator[] and .at() for vectors and associative containers

oak garden Mar 31, 2023, 1:04 PM

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yeah this is kinda everywhere in c++ i guess

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Actually rust has this too, but its obviously unsafe

long robin Mar 31, 2023, 1:07 PM

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Reminds me of the C Analysis Tool (aka cat) which checks for unsafe lines in C/C++ programs

oak garden Mar 31, 2023, 1:07 PM

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so static analysis

long robin Mar 31, 2023, 1:08 PM

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when you run cat foo.cpp it shows the unsafe lines

oak garden Mar 31, 2023, 1:09 PM

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sounds useful

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does it just list all unchecked operator[] calls and dereferences?

long robin Mar 31, 2023, 1:09 PM

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bleakekw
https://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man1/cat.1.html

oak garden Mar 31, 2023, 1:09 PM

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oh wait

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that totally flew over my head

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bleakekw

long robin Mar 31, 2023, 1:10 PM

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Gotteem

oak garden Mar 31, 2023, 1:10 PM

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i thought it was just a cleverly named tool lmao

long robin Mar 31, 2023, 9:37 PM

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I love cmake I love C++

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I wonder if the cmake for tinygltf is fooked, since I've encountered this error before

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or maybe I needed to set TINYGLTF_HEADER_ONLY

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lol that fixed it

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now cmake keeps splitting my copy commands into multiple invalid commands, probably because some path has a space in it or something

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too bad the output log is unreadable

oak garden Mar 31, 2023, 9:40 PM

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VERBATIM

long robin Mar 31, 2023, 9:41 PM

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how do I enable that on windows/msbuild

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I could only find a cmake verbose thing for makefiles

golden schooner Mar 31, 2023, 9:41 PM

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vs can debug cmake now

long robin Mar 31, 2023, 9:41 PM

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hrm

oak garden Mar 31, 2023, 9:41 PM

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add it in add_custom_command

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https://cmake.org/cmake/help/latest/command/add_custom_command.html

long robin Mar 31, 2023, 9:42 PM

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btw this is my work pc, where something is fooked, preventing me from opening the local folder with VS (so I have to generate a VS solution instead)

oak garden Mar 31, 2023, 9:42 PM

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Use of VERBATIM is recommended as it enables correct behavior.
top kek

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when correct behaviour is optional

long robin Mar 31, 2023, 9:43 PM

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lol I thought you misspelled verbose when you said that

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I'll give it a shot

oak garden Mar 31, 2023, 9:43 PM

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frogapprove

long robin Mar 31, 2023, 9:44 PM

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hmm so do I put it like this, or does it go at the end
add_custom_target(copy_shaders ALL COMMAND VERBATIM ${CMAKE_COMMAND} -E copy_directory "${CMAKE_CURRENT_SOURCE_DIR}/shaders" "${CMAKE_CURRENT_BINARY_DIR}/shaders")

oak garden Mar 31, 2023, 9:44 PM

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i think thats fine

long robin Mar 31, 2023, 9:44 PM

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putting it at the end seems to not make it fail immediately

oak garden Mar 31, 2023, 9:45 PM

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oh wait not right after COMMAND tho

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yeah end is what i used to do i think

long robin Mar 31, 2023, 9:45 PM

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holy frog it worked

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frogeheart

oak garden Mar 31, 2023, 9:45 PM

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froge

long robin Mar 31, 2023, 9:45 PM

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cmake is cursed

shell inlet Mar 31, 2023, 9:45 PM

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how to learn cmake

oak garden Mar 31, 2023, 9:45 PM

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yes

long robin Mar 31, 2023, 9:45 PM

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optional correct behavior bleakekw

oak garden Mar 31, 2023, 9:46 PM

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bleakekw

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even worse backwards compatibility issues than cpp

long robin Mar 31, 2023, 9:46 PM

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even worse is that it's opt-in

oak garden Mar 31, 2023, 9:46 PM

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its also just really poorly documented

shell inlet Mar 31, 2023, 9:47 PM

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I tried to learn cmake but I could not figure it out because things kept behaving not as I expected

oak garden Mar 31, 2023, 9:48 PM

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thats intended behaviour for cmake

shell inlet Mar 31, 2023, 9:48 PM

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I only use it nowdays for programs with 1 file like this

cmake_minimum_required(VERSION 3.10)

# set the project name
project(HelloWorld)

# add the executable
add_executable(HelloWorld main.cpp)

long robin Mar 31, 2023, 9:48 PM

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it works if you just post your problems and hope that other people with tribal knowledge can see it

shell inlet Mar 31, 2023, 9:48 PM

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to compile and run it like this without loading visual studio crap

mkdir build
cd build
cmake ..
cmake --build . --config Release

"./Release/HelloWorld.exe"

pause

oak garden Mar 31, 2023, 9:49 PM

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ninja drakeyeah

shell inlet Mar 31, 2023, 9:49 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/ninja-gif-26229659

Tenor

oak garden Mar 31, 2023, 9:49 PM

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SCohno

golden schooner Mar 31, 2023, 9:49 PM

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this ninja guy should be cancelled

shell inlet Mar 31, 2023, 9:50 PM

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what is ninja though

oak garden Mar 31, 2023, 9:50 PM

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its a build tool

golden schooner Mar 31, 2023, 9:50 PM

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build schystem

shell inlet Mar 31, 2023, 9:50 PM

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some build system

long robin Mar 31, 2023, 9:50 PM

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schmuild bystem

oak garden Mar 31, 2023, 9:50 PM

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pretty shrimple

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I used it for a while, its quite nice

shell inlet Mar 31, 2023, 9:50 PM

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I've seen one project either use it or fail due to it not being present

golden schooner Mar 31, 2023, 9:50 PM

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the cmake plugins for vscode are also quite neat, voidy, if you are using vscode by any schance

shell inlet Mar 31, 2023, 9:50 PM

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was it librocket? 🤔

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can't remember anymore

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I used vscode on ubuntu

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on my home pc I use visual studio but it's so slow, gets worse with each new edition

golden schooner Mar 31, 2023, 9:52 PM

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vscode is still super kwik here

shell inlet Mar 31, 2023, 9:52 PM

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yeah I used those

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they are a staple for vscode and C++ I think

golden schooner Mar 31, 2023, 9:53 PM

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oui, when you do cmakeisms, absolutely

golden schooner Apr 1, 2023, 1:41 PM

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hmm

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i wonder if TextureView descriptor should have swizzle facilities

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so that i can display my depth texture in imgui as rrr rather than r

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or perhaps some float texture as rgba8 somehow

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display as in ImGui::Image

oak garden Apr 1, 2023, 1:46 PM

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thatd be useful if possible

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i had to hack that into the imgui backend

golden schooner Apr 1, 2023, 2:07 PM

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hmm textureview descripor is probably the wrong location

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i just provide my own ImGui::Image which has swizzle facilities

long robin Apr 1, 2023, 8:37 PM

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Mayhaps swizzling should be part of the sampler

shell inlet Apr 1, 2023, 8:38 PM

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if you don't have texture view yes

long robin Apr 1, 2023, 8:39 PM

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I'm pretty sure swizzling is part of the texture view in Vulkan, but I'll have to see what OpenGL does

golden schooner Apr 1, 2023, 8:39 PM

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im also winderong why you never reset the swizzle in the fwog examples, you probably never need the alpha channel anywhere, and therefore "ignore" the messed up schwizzle mask

long robin Apr 1, 2023, 8:39 PM

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If it's sampler state then it'll be easier to put it in the sampler

long robin Apr 1, 2023, 8:40 PM

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golden schooner im also winderong why you never reset the swizzle in the fwog examples, you prob...

Wdym

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For imgui?

golden schooner Apr 1, 2023, 8:40 PM

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you change the texture parameter before displaying it in imgui

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oui

long robin Apr 1, 2023, 8:40 PM

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Ye

golden schooner Apr 1, 2023, 8:40 PM

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but never set it back

long robin Apr 1, 2023, 8:41 PM

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It's indeed not part of the sampler

golden schooner Apr 1, 2023, 8:41 PM

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probably because of ... "you probably never need the alpha channel anywhere, and therefore "ignore" the messed up schwizzle mask "

long robin Apr 1, 2023, 8:41 PM

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Yeah

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It's haccy

golden schooner Apr 1, 2023, 8:41 PM

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makos sensos

long robin Apr 1, 2023, 8:42 PM

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I'll have to add a swizzle thing to texture view

golden schooner Apr 1, 2023, 8:43 PM

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let me add an iShoe for you

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https://github.com/JuanDiegoMontoya/Fwog/issues/61

long robin Apr 2, 2023, 6:04 AM

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index page no longer puts everything under F

golden schooner Apr 2, 2023, 9:22 AM

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its kinda strange that all those c++isms bleed through

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overloaded operators etc

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ah its just the members as well, nvm

fiery sorrel Apr 2, 2023, 9:44 AM

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are UBOs and SSBOs compulsory for Fwog. The examples use them and I see a BindImage, BindSampledImage, BindStorageBuffer and bind UniformBuffer

long robin Apr 2, 2023, 9:44 AM

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yes

fiery sorrel Apr 2, 2023, 9:44 AM

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nothing for binding variables tho

long robin Apr 2, 2023, 9:44 AM

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no uniform variables for you

fiery sorrel Apr 2, 2023, 9:44 AM

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im ok with that

long robin Apr 2, 2023, 9:44 AM

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well technically you can call glUniform* yourself

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but I consider those to be stinky and not worthy of wrapping

fiery sorrel Apr 2, 2023, 9:46 AM

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use fwog for fun opengl cosplaying as vulkan

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end up learnin how to gp better

long robin Apr 2, 2023, 9:54 AM

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vulkan cosplay

heavy cipher Apr 2, 2023, 9:54 AM

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meanwhile vulkan: uniforms are back

fiery sorrel Apr 2, 2023, 9:56 AM

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this doesn't return an error in compiling

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altho its easy Skill Issue tho (this works as intended)

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dunno if its worth doin something so the constructor goes 'yo urm... u sure?'

long robin Apr 2, 2023, 9:57 AM

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implicit conversion moment

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let me fix the thingy

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oh, it's not an implicit conversion issue

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it's a GL issue

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look at the constructors for Buffer

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@fiery sorrel you're calling this constructor by providing one integer argument

    explicit Buffer(size_t size,
                    BufferStorageFlags storageFlags = BufferStorageFlag::NONE,
                    BufferMapFlags mapFlags = BufferMapFlag::NONE);

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I can't do much there

fiery sorrel Apr 2, 2023, 10:02 AM

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yea

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Just Skill Issue™️

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and hope ppl arent careless ig

long robin Apr 2, 2023, 10:02 AM

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well it doesn't make much sense to make a buffer with no size

golden schooner Apr 2, 2023, 10:04 AM

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you shouldnt construct these things in the app's ctor

fiery sorrel Apr 2, 2023, 10:04 AM

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yea Jaker

golden schooner Apr 2, 2023, 10:04 AM

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"shouldnt"

fiery sorrel Apr 2, 2023, 10:04 AM

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smh my head

long robin Apr 2, 2023, 10:04 AM

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golden schooner you shouldnt construct these things in the app's ctor

why not

golden schooner Apr 2, 2023, 10:04 AM

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some loading function feels more sane for some reason

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but i understand why you do all that in the ctor

long robin Apr 2, 2023, 10:05 AM

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I think it's fine to make some resources in the constructor (e.g., uniform buffers that never change size)

golden schooner Apr 2, 2023, 10:05 AM

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sure

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as long as base.Application() inits all the things, context et al

fiery sorrel Apr 2, 2023, 10:05 AM

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for context those are example programs too

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not like part of Fwog's engine proper

long robin Apr 2, 2023, 10:05 AM

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I could make a load function that just returns a massive object containing all the schtuff

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but I won't

golden schooner Apr 2, 2023, 10:06 AM

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i didnt say anything

heavy cipher Apr 2, 2023, 10:06 AM

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the 2023 implicit enum conversion incident

long robin Apr 2, 2023, 10:06 AM

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mfw gl enums shrimplicitly convert to size_t 😔

heavy cipher Apr 2, 2023, 10:06 AM

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complicitly, one might say

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btw just don't use the glnums

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make strong versions instead

fiery sorrel Apr 2, 2023, 10:08 AM

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i dont think he does actually

long robin Apr 2, 2023, 10:08 AM

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correct

fiery sorrel Apr 2, 2023, 10:08 AM

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I made a typo with intellisense

long robin Apr 2, 2023, 10:08 AM

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fwog only uses strongly typed enums

fiery sorrel Apr 2, 2023, 10:08 AM

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so it seemed like a common possible mistake that can happen and I can see someone goin 'i have no triangle on screen how fix'

golden schooner Apr 2, 2023, 10:08 AM

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for the most parts

fiery sorrel Apr 2, 2023, 10:08 AM

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but mostly only noob tho

golden schooner Apr 2, 2023, 10:09 AM

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if you made a typo with intellisense, it shouldnt compile?

long robin Apr 2, 2023, 10:09 AM

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do you need me to make a strongly typed size type so you can't accidentally convert gl enums to sizes frogstare

fiery sorrel Apr 2, 2023, 10:09 AM

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i dont need it rn

golden schooner Apr 2, 2023, 10:09 AM

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: )

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type safety > all

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fwog-sc when

fiery sorrel Apr 2, 2023, 10:10 AM

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I just brought it up as like 'do u want this to remain as Skill Issue or actually find a way for a compiler to go 'wtf bro''

long robin Apr 2, 2023, 10:10 AM

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deccer the kind of froge to make color, direction, and bivector types

heavy cipher Apr 2, 2023, 10:10 AM

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but doesn't the example do the same thing thonk

fiery sorrel Apr 2, 2023, 10:11 AM

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no it doesnt

golden schooner Apr 2, 2023, 10:11 AM

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long robin deccer the kind of froge to make `color`, `direction`, and `bivector` types

colour for martty

fiery sorrel Apr 2, 2023, 10:11 AM

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everythin glm in examples

long robin Apr 2, 2023, 10:11 AM

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heavy cipher but doesn't the example do the same thing <:thonk:728843920393371708>

the issue is that both of these compile, except they call different constructors

globalUniformsBuffer(Fwog::BufferStorageFlag::DYNAMIC_STORAGE)
globalUniformsBuffer(GL_LITERALLY_ANY_ENUM)

golden schooner Apr 2, 2023, 10:12 AM

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this is fine

fiery sorrel Apr 2, 2023, 10:12 AM

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honestly if u say 'skill issue'

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im ok with that

long robin Apr 2, 2023, 10:12 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/krill-issue-skill-issue-krill-issue-gif-25572478

Tenor

heavy cipher Apr 2, 2023, 10:12 AM

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ah i c

fiery sorrel Apr 2, 2023, 10:12 AM

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just dont write bad code

golden schooner Apr 2, 2023, 10:12 AM

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at the beginning of fwog you said you leave those kind of things open for the uninitiated

heavy cipher Apr 2, 2023, 10:12 AM

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fun tiems

long robin Apr 2, 2023, 10:12 AM

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I'm not sure what to do to prevent that conchfusion

golden schooner Apr 2, 2023, 10:13 AM

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not much you can do there, other than split it into 2 libs/nail it down with #defines

heavy cipher Apr 2, 2023, 10:13 AM

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detonate a small nuclear warhead to set off the nuclear annihilation of the human race

golden schooner Apr 2, 2023, 10:13 AM

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heh this is even better

heavy cipher Apr 2, 2023, 10:13 AM

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in minecraft

golden schooner Apr 2, 2023, 10:14 AM

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mmh

fiery sorrel Apr 2, 2023, 10:14 AM

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heavy cipher in minecraft

sorry my cpu cant process the nuke explosion on a single core

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i think minecraft actually has threading now its just bottlenecked to only a single core rn right?

golden schooner Apr 2, 2023, 10:14 AM

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back to topic

fiery sorrel Apr 2, 2023, 10:15 AM

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yea deccer im makin car

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im gonna load that boy in

golden schooner Apr 2, 2023, 10:15 AM

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otherwise we wont be getting any car game made with fwog anytime soon

fiery sorrel Apr 2, 2023, 10:15 AM

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i keep it shrimple a cube and two cylinders

golden schooner Apr 2, 2023, 10:15 AM

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cars usually have 4 wheels at least

long robin Apr 2, 2023, 10:15 AM

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long cylinders

golden schooner Apr 2, 2023, 10:15 AM

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fair

fiery sorrel Apr 2, 2023, 10:15 AM

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'why two cylinders and not four'

golden schooner Apr 2, 2023, 10:15 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/flintstone-car-gif-23523196

Tenor

long robin Apr 2, 2023, 10:15 AM

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golden schooner cars usually have 4 wheels at least

https://tenor.com/view/dream-machine-flip-car-flip-awesome-car-epic-gif-25565841

Tenor

fiery sorrel Apr 2, 2023, 10:15 AM

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aa-Cover-0jt5kf903eu425r4tppf4a4rv4-20180117201718.Medi.jpeg

golden schooner Apr 2, 2023, 10:16 AM

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as soon as they accelerate they lose the back wheel, as soon as they break the lose the front one

fiery sorrel Apr 2, 2023, 10:17 AM

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perfection

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dw its placeholder

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actually i should add a cone to denoate forward

long robin Apr 2, 2023, 10:17 AM

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golden schooner https://tenor.com/view/flintstone-car-gif-23523196

the unrealistic part of this is that the flintstones canonically takes place before the wheel was invented

golden schooner Apr 2, 2023, 10:17 AM

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hehe

fiery sorrel Apr 2, 2023, 10:17 AM

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perfection

golden schooner Apr 2, 2023, 10:17 AM

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fiery sorrel perfection

i was picturing a flatter chassis, and individual wheels slightly floating next ot the box

fiery sorrel Apr 2, 2023, 10:18 AM

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I am just keeping it super shrimple so i can use the gltf loader inside first

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before I put in a more complrex placeholder

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this is like reverse bikeshedding

golden schooner Apr 2, 2023, 10:18 AM

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fiery sorrel Apr 2, 2023, 10:18 AM

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oh yea i should put that as the next one

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somethin like that

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honestly i just too lazy to take out my mouse rn

heavy cipher Apr 2, 2023, 10:19 AM

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but yeah you could ship your own ogl header

long robin Apr 2, 2023, 10:20 AM

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I could

golden schooner Apr 2, 2023, 10:20 AM

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glog

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oggl 😄

long robin Apr 2, 2023, 10:21 AM

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I ship glad/gl.h and give users the choice to replace it with their own header

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good enuff 4 me

golden schooner Apr 2, 2023, 10:21 AM

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does it really make sense to use something else, other than glad these days?

long robin Apr 2, 2023, 10:21 AM

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probably not, but you never know what cursed setup people are running

golden schooner Apr 2, 2023, 10:22 AM

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those people prohabs cant even >=gl4.3

long robin Apr 2, 2023, 10:22 AM

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plus it was a trivial addition, so why not

golden schooner Apr 2, 2023, 10:22 AM

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but fair enough

heavy cipher Apr 2, 2023, 10:22 AM

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glug.h

long robin Apr 2, 2023, 10:22 AM

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grog.h

fiery sorrel Apr 2, 2023, 10:22 AM

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cmake noob question but is there a better alternative to including header files than

golden schooner Apr 2, 2023, 10:22 AM

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what was that oop-y bin. ah glbinding

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yes

long robin Apr 2, 2023, 10:23 AM

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fiery sorrel cmake noob question but is there a better alternative to including header files ...

depends on what you call "better" bleakekw

golden schooner Apr 2, 2023, 10:23 AM

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check the cmake template

fiery sorrel Apr 2, 2023, 10:23 AM

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why is "RsmTechinique" in quotations

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but not sceneloader

golden schooner Apr 2, 2023, 10:23 AM

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too lazy to copy it from there

long robin Apr 2, 2023, 10:23 AM

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fiery sorrel why is "RsmTechinique" in quotations

one of them got automatically added by my IDE and I was too lazy to change it

fiery sorrel Apr 2, 2023, 10:23 AM

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golden schooner check the cmake template

i wont be surprised if fwog racing ends up becomin more cmake template-y for the cmake and the lbiraries

golden schooner Apr 2, 2023, 10:24 AM

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cmake template is inspired by various things, fwog is one of them

long robin Apr 2, 2023, 10:24 AM

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globbing is in fact what you want here, but I don't like it

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you're free to use it though

golden schooner Apr 2, 2023, 10:24 AM

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ill should also get back to my shit 🙂

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you keep me distracted

fiery sorrel Apr 2, 2023, 10:25 AM

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at least im not procrastinating on car :) @golden schooner

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so that should make u happy right pleading_smiling

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fuk

heavy cipher Apr 2, 2023, 10:25 AM

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long robin globbing is in fact what you want here, but I don't like it

glorbius

long robin Apr 2, 2023, 10:26 AM

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fiery sorrel fuk

you want something like this

if (MSVC)
    target_compile_definitions(03_gltf_viewer PUBLIC STBI_MSC_SECURE_CRT)
endif()

fiery sorrel Apr 2, 2023, 10:26 AM

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yea I just saw that

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and added it thinkin 'hmm this is the difference....'

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cmake noob question but does this only copy if there is a difference

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or does it do it every run

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copying files every run is gonna be super cringe as the project scales so id need to adapt for that later on

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but that'd be a bikeshed to worry about rn

heavy cipher Apr 2, 2023, 10:27 AM

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also you don't need to add h files

fiery sorrel Apr 2, 2023, 10:28 AM

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the examples have that

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long robin Apr 2, 2023, 10:28 AM

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I like being unnecessarily exschplicit

fiery sorrel Apr 2, 2023, 10:28 AM

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shrimple

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its prob just not in the right fi-

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oh yea its named wrongly

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imma eat a dinner

golden schooner Apr 2, 2023, 10:29 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/at-your-service-new-year-gif-16153929

Tenor

long robin Apr 2, 2023, 10:29 AM

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docs v1 are almost done btw

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noicee 😄

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I still can't remember if there is an algorithm that uses logic ops 😄

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perhaps fwog's most pointless feature is supporting those

golden schooner Apr 2, 2023, 10:32 AM

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we established that there is none

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logic ops deactivate blending as well

long robin Apr 2, 2023, 10:33 AM

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I thought there were some ancient programs that used em for something

golden schooner Apr 2, 2023, 10:33 AM

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yes

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martty mentioned some 🇳🇮🇨🇭🇮🇸m

long robin Apr 2, 2023, 10:33 AM

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hmm I think it was a voxelization program

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but these days there are probably better techniques

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also I bet they are used in cad apps for something obscure, as usual

golden schooner Apr 2, 2023, 10:34 AM

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wouldnt surprise me neither

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mayhaps try a github code search, if something other than 230948398573987th variant of gl.h comes up there might be a use

long robin Apr 2, 2023, 10:36 AM

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page 5 and so far I've only seen wrappers

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hmm I found some editors using glLogicOp for some things

golden schooner Apr 2, 2023, 10:37 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/funny-bubble-wrap-dog-doge-gif-23232506

Tenor

long robin Apr 2, 2023, 10:37 AM

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https://github.com/search?p=52&q=glLogicOp&type=Commits

golden schooner Apr 2, 2023, 10:39 AM

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magnum renderer has it too but doesnt use it anywhere

long robin Apr 2, 2023, 10:40 AM

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I bet minecraft uses glLogicOp to draw the xor'd crosshair

golden schooner Apr 2, 2023, 10:41 AM

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scummvm might be using it

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and nintendo 3ds simulator citra

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mobile also doesnt have it

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"I told you how to do it. Just use glLogicOp the same way we use glBlendFunc etc, don't put stuff in the shader." random comment from a psp simulator issue

long robin Apr 2, 2023, 10:43 AM

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hmm, you can also get the minecraft crosshair by drawing a white thing and subtracting the dst color

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using just blending

golden schooner Apr 2, 2023, 10:44 AM

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no need to support logicop until someone (other than martty) opens a ticket, id say

long robin Apr 2, 2023, 10:44 AM

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too late, it's already added bleakekw

golden schooner Apr 2, 2023, 10:45 AM

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"Won't Fix" ;P

fiery sorrel Apr 2, 2023, 11:02 AM

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hell yea

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fwog is so chill to use

oak garden Apr 2, 2023, 11:05 AM

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copyrighted for 100 years

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ill be waiting

heavy cipher Apr 2, 2023, 11:13 AM

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long robin too late, it's already added <:bleakekw:1082598350303539240>

imma open fishsue to remove them then bleakekw

wind trout Apr 2, 2023, 11:36 AM

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How’s the documentation coming along?

long robin Apr 2, 2023, 11:41 AM

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I'll probably push it tomorrow

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Tired rn so I'm gonna schlepp

golden schooner Apr 2, 2023, 11:42 AM

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gn8 : )

long robin Apr 3, 2023, 8:36 AM

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trying to figure out how to add a little badge for docs using this thing
https://shields.io/

Shields.io: Quality metadata badges for open source projects

We serve fast and scalable informational images as badges
for GitHub, Travis CI, Jenkins, WordPress and many more services. Use them to
track the state of your projects, or for promotional purposes.

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ah actually that one seems easy

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https://img.shields.io/readthedocs/fwog?style=for-the-badge

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the build status one seems a bit more opaque, but I think I can reverse engineer the one vuk is using hehe

long robin Apr 3, 2023, 9:47 AM

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shrimple indeed
https://img.shields.io/github/actions/workflow/status/juandiegomontoya/fwog/cmake.yml?branch=main&style=for-the-badge

heavy cipher Apr 3, 2023, 9:53 AM

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CI passing badge but it is actually using the vuk repo bleakekw

long robin Apr 3, 2023, 9:54 AM

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I know that's not the case because my CI is failing and the badge shows that bleakekw

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https://github.com/JuanDiegoMontoya/Fwog

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oh btw docs are up
https://fwog.readthedocs.io/en/latest/

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though I'm busy trying to figure out why gcc doesn't want to compile this
return *new (this) Fence(std::move(old));

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it never had a problem with my texture move assign operator that does the exact same thing frogstare

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I have to include <new> to use placement new bleakekw (and I guess any other version of global new if I want to be 100% correct)

stray warren Apr 3, 2023, 10:02 AM

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long robin oh btw docs are up <https://fwog.readthedocs.io/en/latest/>

Niiice, looking professional nice

oak garden Apr 3, 2023, 10:03 AM

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Creating a fwog is in frogeheart

long robin Apr 3, 2023, 10:07 AM

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the build has passed mashallah

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now I can schleep while deccer and basil can bikeshed the contents of the docs

rugged notch Apr 3, 2023, 10:27 AM

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long robin I have to include `<new>` to use placement new <:bleakekw:1082598350303539240> (...

I don't even want to think about why this is

long robin Apr 3, 2023, 10:28 AM

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global new is defined in <new>

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but most compilers seem to make it available even without that header (except gcc doesn't make placement new available)

heavy cipher Apr 3, 2023, 10:31 AM

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gnomes

fiery sorrel Apr 3, 2023, 2:07 PM

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long robin oh btw docs are up <https://fwog.readthedocs.io/en/latest/>

its pretty good blobthumbsup

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haha

wind trout Apr 3, 2023, 2:10 PM

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Fwog’s looking pretty good

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frogapprove

golden schooner Apr 3, 2023, 4:50 PM

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long robin oh btw docs are up <https://fwog.readthedocs.io/en/latest/>

you mispellt poipeliones 🙂

rugged notch Apr 3, 2023, 6:12 PM

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Pamplemousse

golden schooner Apr 3, 2023, 6:25 PM

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🇵🇦 🇲🇵 🇱 🇪 🇲🇴 🇺🇸 🇸🇪

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oops 😄

long robin Apr 3, 2023, 6:35 PM

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I like seeing these exotic flags

golden schooner Apr 3, 2023, 6:38 PM

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🇲🇪 🇹🇴 🇴

long robin Apr 3, 2023, 6:39 PM

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Idk what the mp and mo flags are though

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Ah

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🇲🇵 is northern Mariana islands

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I'm having trouble googling 🇲🇴

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Macau 🙂

golden schooner Apr 3, 2023, 7:21 PM

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: )

long robin Apr 4, 2023, 2:20 AM

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@fiery sorrel how would you feel if the gl header wasn't leaked

fiery sorrel Apr 4, 2023, 2:21 AM

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Itd be neat if i had to manually include it if i wanna do stuff outside limitations of Fwog

long robin Apr 4, 2023, 2:21 AM

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then it would be harder to make the mistake you did

fiery sorrel Apr 4, 2023, 2:22 AM

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Yea. I was able to spot that mistake super fast because i knew what i was doing

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But i thought abt the "where triangle" logl newbies

long robin Apr 4, 2023, 2:24 AM

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making the gl header not leak should be an easy change

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I can also add some convenience features like vuk's dispatch_invocations (which automatically rounds up to the next workgroup)

shell inlet Apr 4, 2023, 3:01 AM

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yes

long robin Apr 4, 2023, 10:11 AM

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ok pushed DispatchInvocations and fwog no longer leaks GL headers

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rip CI failed

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fixed

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at some point I ought to use semantic versioning

golden schooner Apr 4, 2023, 10:29 AM

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jaker bending to deccer's ~~will~~ ideas?

long robin Apr 4, 2023, 10:30 AM

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mayhap

golden schooner Apr 4, 2023, 10:30 AM

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who've would've thought've

long robin Apr 4, 2023, 10:30 AM

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problem is that I make breaking changes so often, the major version would be in the hundreds

golden schooner Apr 4, 2023, 10:30 AM

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you can tie versions to releases which you manually trigger

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doesnt have to be a release every time you commit/push

long robin Apr 4, 2023, 10:32 AM

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ye but semver.org says that releases with breaking changes should increment the major version

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hmm

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I guess I could release version 0.x.x now, then make 1.x.x when I'm happy 😄

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feels like unnecessary bookkeeping until I have more than one actual user

golden schooner Apr 4, 2023, 10:35 AM

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ye

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thats fine

long robin Apr 4, 2023, 10:36 AM

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the idea of having a version number is cool, but the reality is pain bleakekw

golden schooner Apr 4, 2023, 10:36 AM

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you could however treat it as an exercise with githubactions and how that versionism work

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and its kinda also quite shrimple 🙂

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you have a ci.yml and a cd.yml or build.yml and release.yml - the former just builds your things and you can have your builds/tests ok badge if you wanted, and whenever you trigger a release, you create/selectexistingtag tag, and from that tag a version is built

long robin Apr 4, 2023, 10:36 AM

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hmm I thought the point is to not automate it

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that I can tag a commit as version x.x.x when I'm happy

golden schooner Apr 4, 2023, 10:38 AM

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or you dont release anything, and shrimply tag commits, ye

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then people can submodule/fetchcontent from that specific one

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rather than encouraging people to download source.tar for version xxx

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and you may or may not create releases still where you can nicely list the changes since last version

long robin Apr 4, 2023, 10:39 AM

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I was thinking about that

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would be nice to automate that to some degree

golden schooner Apr 4, 2023, 10:39 AM

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either hand written, or you let it auto generate one from all commit messages inbetween the 2 releases

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(there is a button for that when you create a release)

long robin Apr 4, 2023, 10:40 AM

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I'd want to autogenerate it, but then remove the useless stuff (e.g., changes to ex🦐les)

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heh the last time I used releases was 6 months ago

golden schooner Apr 4, 2023, 10:40 AM

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when you properly write commit messages, you could prefix those or tag them somehow

long robin Apr 4, 2023, 10:40 AM

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it was for ldjam, and I was in a delirious state, so I forgor everything

golden schooner Apr 4, 2023, 10:40 AM

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exshrimple1: fixed imgui button or whatever

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and when you see the autoigenerated list of commits, you shrimply remove those with the prefix/tags you dont've want've them've to've be've in've there've

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tiny manual labour, not worth the automation i guess, since you wont be releasing 24 times a day

long robin Apr 4, 2023, 10:46 AM

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the faq here is nice
https://semver.org/

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I could use major version 0 and proceed with semantic versioning

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just making releases occasionally when new features have accumulated

golden schooner Apr 4, 2023, 10:48 AM

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yep

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technically, any version is fine. (i dont mean different versioning schemes)

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fwog provides a good foundation already, therefore could also technically be a 1.x

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it could also attract more people, potentially, because they could see/think "ah 1.x already, not some 0.0.0.1-alpha"

long robin Apr 4, 2023, 10:49 AM

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heh

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I make breaking changes too frequently to want a 1.x.x release

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fwog 2 would be next week

golden schooner Apr 4, 2023, 10:50 AM

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then just increment the version as needed

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there is no need to keep the major version artificially "low"

long robin Apr 4, 2023, 10:51 AM

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if I'm following semver, then major version 0 is reserved for rapid iteration

golden schooner Apr 4, 2023, 10:51 AM

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and people can clearly still grab any version before if they wish

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that would mean fwog 2 starts from 0.0.0.0 again

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and be treated as a complete different project/product

long robin Apr 4, 2023, 10:51 AM

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version 0.x tells people that things will break frequently, which is true

golden schooner Apr 4, 2023, 10:51 AM

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yes yes, im aware 🙂

long robin Apr 4, 2023, 10:52 AM

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golden schooner that would mean fwog 2 starts from 0.0.0.0 again

I was talking about fwog 2.x.x, which would be part of this project

golden schooner Apr 4, 2023, 10:52 AM

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i figured

long robin Apr 4, 2023, 10:52 AM

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the 2 just means it has breaking changes from 1

golden schooner Apr 4, 2023, 10:52 AM

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but then there cant be no 0.x technically speaking although you "rapidly prototype for a major version 2"

long robin Apr 4, 2023, 10:52 AM

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smh just read the link I sent 😄

golden schooner Apr 4, 2023, 10:53 AM

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nah ill just be quiet

long robin Apr 4, 2023, 10:54 AM

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How should I deal with revisions in the 0.y.z initial development phase?
The simplest thing to do is start your initial development release at 0.1.0 and then increment the minor version for each subsequent release.

How do I know when to release 1.0.0?
If your software is being used in production, it should probably already be 1.0.0. If you have a stable API on which users have come to depend, you should be 1.0.0. If you’re worrying a lot about backwards compatibility, you should probably already be 1.0.0.

Doesn’t this discourage rapid development and fast iteration?
Major version zero is all about rapid development. If you’re changing the API every day you should either still be in version 0.y.z or on a separate development branch working on the next major version.

golden schooner Apr 4, 2023, 10:55 AM

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yes

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basil will 🇧🇪 the first 🇹🇴 use 🇮🇹 🇮🇳 production 😛

oak garden Apr 4, 2023, 11:01 AM

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hey my flag is in there

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im learning all these new flags thanks to deccer

long robin Apr 4, 2023, 11:04 AM

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oak garden hey my flag is in there

🇹🇴?

golden schooner Apr 4, 2023, 11:04 AM

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🇩🇪 🇨🇨 🇪🇷 😄

oak garden Apr 4, 2023, 11:04 AM

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long robin 🇹🇴?

🇳🇴

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hint: its the same country as a certain mvp in this server

golden schooner Apr 4, 2023, 11:05 AM

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waffle

oak garden Apr 4, 2023, 11:05 AM

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aye

golden schooner Apr 4, 2023, 11:05 AM

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hehe

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pengu el beljeek

oak garden Apr 4, 2023, 11:06 AM

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im from the dutch speaking part though :P

golden schooner Apr 4, 2023, 11:06 AM

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flandern?

oak garden Apr 4, 2023, 11:06 AM

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yep

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is that what its called in german

golden schooner Apr 4, 2023, 11:07 AM

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the cheesemunchers corner of beljeekistan 😄

oak garden Apr 4, 2023, 11:07 AM

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kek

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quite appropriate that it starts with switzerland

long robin Apr 4, 2023, 11:08 AM

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deccer with the assist

golden schooner Apr 4, 2023, 11:09 AM

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were a good team

long robin Apr 4, 2023, 11:12 AM

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now I gotta look up all these flags

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🇨🇨: The Cocos (Keeling) Islands
🇪🇷: Eritrea
🇲🇺: Mauritius (my beloved)
🇳🇨: New Caledonia
🇪🇹: Ethiopia

wind trout Apr 4, 2023, 1:12 PM

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I need to learn how to read deccer flag speak

golden schooner Apr 4, 2023, 7:49 PM

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isle of man's (smol island between ireland and gb) flag looks also quite cool

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🇮🇲

oak garden Apr 4, 2023, 7:49 PM

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That’s pretty cool ye

golden schooner Apr 4, 2023, 7:50 PM

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turning into a vexillologist here XD

oak garden Apr 4, 2023, 7:52 PM

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Irl flag collection when

golden schooner Apr 4, 2023, 7:54 PM

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i gave all mine away some years ago

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collected flags from countries ive visited

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wasnt a lot anyway

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you might have an actual chance to get a flag from every country, if you just contact all embassies in your and surrounding countries 🙂 or the countries themselves

oak garden Apr 4, 2023, 7:57 PM

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heh that actually sounds doable lol

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i dont think theyd pay for shipping though

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so it gets increasingly expensive with the distance

golden schooner Apr 4, 2023, 8:01 PM

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youve shouldntve worryve aboutve thatve

rugged notch Apr 4, 2023, 8:41 PM

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golden schooner 🇮🇲

Funnily enough the emblem of Sicily, the trinacria, is also this but with a head added in the middle for comedic effect

golden schooner Apr 4, 2023, 9:00 PM

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reminds me of a character in vampire survivors

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haha it looks exactly like that

long robin Apr 4, 2023, 9:54 PM

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I haven't played in so long that I've no clue who that is

golden schooner Apr 4, 2023, 10:05 PM

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trinacria one of the bosses

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12th or 14th a new DLC is going to be released for VS

long robin Apr 4, 2023, 10:07 PM

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Lol there's so much content I haven't seen

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I remember when there were like 4 maps

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Last time I played was around the time they added the bone zone

daring surge Apr 4, 2023, 10:09 PM

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da bone zone

golden schooner Apr 4, 2023, 10:12 PM

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🇧🇴 🇳🇪 🇿 🇴 🇳🇪

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i still miss 2 secret characters : > other than that i have every secret/achievement

rugged notch Apr 4, 2023, 10:20 PM

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Rip 🇧🇴 🇿 🇴

long robin Apr 5, 2023, 10:39 AM

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texture swizzling pushed

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still gotta finish adding it to the ex🦐les, but it at least appears to work for imgui in one of them

golden schooner Apr 5, 2023, 10:42 AM

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i just saw 🙂

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my queschin still remains tho

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why do we gltexparameter the schwizzle, but never unschwizzle

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is this not some sort of global state per texture

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affecting shaders etc as well

long robin Apr 5, 2023, 10:44 AM

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I dunno what you mean

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The swizzle is per texture. That's why you set it in the texture view create info

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Then you can make as many different swizzlings as you want by making a texture view for each

golden schooner Apr 5, 2023, 10:50 AM

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yes its per texture

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but does it also not affect how shaders sample from it

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when you swizzle gb to r... and do a o_color = texture(s_tex, uv).rgb

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arent .gb treated as red there too?

long robin Apr 5, 2023, 10:51 AM

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yes

golden schooner Apr 5, 2023, 10:52 AM

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thats what i mean

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is that the right behaviour you want

long robin Apr 5, 2023, 10:52 AM

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That's in fact the only behavior I want (or at least care about in this case)

golden schooner Apr 5, 2023, 10:52 AM

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right now we want swizzle to make imgui show textures when alpha is 0 or depth texture become greyscale

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ok for the latter part its irrelevant since depth is usually read from .r anyway, and .gb dont matter really

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but if you have no alpha ... eh brb

long robin Apr 5, 2023, 10:58 AM

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Anyways, I make a view of the texture with alpha swizzled to 1, then I only use that for ImGui

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ImGui backend then samples the texture in a shader, and alpha is 1 (instead of 0) so it appears

golden schooner Apr 5, 2023, 10:59 AM

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eh sorry

long robin Apr 5, 2023, 10:59 AM

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The swizzled view is not used anywhere else

golden schooner Apr 5, 2023, 10:59 AM

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ah

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thats the clue

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i forgot about textureviews, although i just saw the code

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you create the view from the actual texture, and just swizzel the view, not the actual texture

long robin Apr 5, 2023, 11:00 AM

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I didn't push the example code that calls it yet, btw

golden schooner Apr 5, 2023, 11:00 AM

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if you dont use textureviews, but raw textures

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and you swizzle your fbo color attachment 2, which has rgba as well

long robin Apr 5, 2023, 11:01 AM

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I figured it only makes sense for views to be swizzleable

golden schooner Apr 5, 2023, 11:01 AM

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but doesnt use a for alpha but for lets say metalness, then you uold mess up the whole renderer, is what i meant to say

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yeah

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sorry for my weird rambling : )

long robin Apr 5, 2023, 11:02 AM

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Yeah I won't want to use the swizzled texture for actual rendering

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Just for debugging in this case

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Unrelated, but I feel like there are a bunch of bugs lurking in my texture view code

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I haven't tried taking a view of a view for example

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E.g., taking a view of mips 1-5, then a view of mips 2-3 of that (which should correspond to mips 3-4 of the base texture, I think)

golden schooner Apr 5, 2023, 11:06 AM

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i found a bug in mine recently 😛

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had min/numlayers and min/numlevels schwapped

golden schooner Apr 5, 2023, 11:07 AM

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long robin E.g., taking a view of mips 1-5, then a view of mips 2-3 of that (which should c...

what if you need 2 views with those 2 ranges

long robin Apr 5, 2023, 11:07 AM

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Yeah I gotta test it

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My point is that it's untested, so idk if it's completely broken or not

golden schooner Apr 5, 2023, 11:08 AM

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fair

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maybe render a scene with cubes, 1 per moplevel

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then render 2 other cubes, next to the originals, showing those 2 views in action

long robin Apr 5, 2023, 11:09 AM

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Or perhaps even squares

golden schooner Apr 5, 2023, 11:09 AM

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mayhaps with a modified texture with distinct moplevel colors or text

long robin Apr 5, 2023, 11:10 AM

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Or I could press a button to switch the mip shown on a rectangle

golden schooner Apr 5, 2023, 11:10 AM

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ye

long robin Apr 5, 2023, 11:10 AM

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Then just display a big number in the mip

golden schooner Apr 5, 2023, 11:10 AM

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but its boring

long robin Apr 5, 2023, 11:10 AM

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Heh

golden schooner Apr 5, 2023, 11:10 AM

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a default scene thing would be kewl

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for every example/demo

long robin Apr 5, 2023, 11:11 AM

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Hmm wdym

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Like an example with all the examples?

golden schooner Apr 5, 2023, 11:12 AM

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when you open a starter project in UE you have a floor, some shrimple sky, shadows are going and basic pbriblisms do their thing

long robin Apr 5, 2023, 11:12 AM

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Ah

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06_ue_renderer

golden schooner Apr 5, 2023, 11:13 AM

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😛

long robin Apr 5, 2023, 11:13 AM

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I feel like the gltf viewer is already attempting to be that

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It just needs more PBRisms and clustered light cullingisms

golden schooner Apr 5, 2023, 11:14 AM

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its also super easy of me requesting these things

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while i am struggling with shrimpler shit myself 😛

long robin Apr 5, 2023, 11:14 AM

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I'll update my prio list

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secret article -> a touch of PBR and clustered lighting in gltf viewer -> galunga

golden schooner Apr 5, 2023, 11:19 AM

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you mean one thing leads to another? 😄

long robin Apr 5, 2023, 11:19 AM

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You could say that

golden schooner Apr 5, 2023, 11:20 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/dredd-i-knew-youd-say-that-stallone-gif-23229845

Tenor

long robin Apr 5, 2023, 11:22 AM

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If you knew, then you should've impersonated me and posted it for me

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Like the April 1stisms you guys did 😄

golden schooner Apr 5, 2023, 11:25 AM

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but then i could'vent've played the dreddjiff.gif

long robin Apr 5, 2023, 11:26 AM

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couldn't've done it

golden schooner Apr 5, 2023, 11:26 AM

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how many times have you used schlepp and isms outside this discord since its introduction? 😄

long robin Apr 5, 2023, 11:26 AM

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heh not much I'm afraid

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I say shrimple irl though 😄

golden schooner Apr 5, 2023, 11:26 AM

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hehe

wind trout Apr 5, 2023, 11:31 AM

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do you use Fwog irl a lot though?

long robin Apr 5, 2023, 11:33 AM

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I use it for all my graphics projects nowadays, so I guess yeah

wind trout Apr 5, 2023, 11:39 AM

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Oh true I guess I meant the word Fwog

long robin Apr 5, 2023, 11:39 AM

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Ah

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I don't say that word much IRL because I don't talk to people about this hobby IRL 😔

wind trout Apr 5, 2023, 11:40 AM

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Oh no 😦

long robin Apr 5, 2023, 11:41 AM

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I talk about it with you guys plenty 🙂

golden schooner Apr 5, 2023, 11:41 AM

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"hey pa, did you know im working on this cool engine of mine, i called it fwog"

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"holly frog, i didnt know you like frogs!"

long robin Apr 5, 2023, 11:41 AM

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The average person doesn't even know what a graphics API is

golden schooner Apr 5, 2023, 11:41 AM

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"damn right i do, hmmm mmmh showing favorite frog pic"

long robin Apr 5, 2023, 11:42 AM

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They might've heard of Vulkan or DirectX

oak garden Apr 5, 2023, 11:42 AM

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Whenever I tell my family what I do, my mother always asks "Has someone not done that before?"

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dread_cat

long robin Apr 5, 2023, 11:43 AM

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My dad knew what physx was when I brought it up once

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It shows up in splash screens and whatnot

golden schooner Apr 5, 2023, 11:43 AM

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your dad is a cool frog

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does he code too? or know his way around in computerisms?

long robin Apr 5, 2023, 11:44 AM

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He's not a programmer of any sort

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He's a PC gamer though

golden schooner Apr 5, 2023, 11:44 AM

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oi

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my dad knows 0 about anything computer :S

long robin Apr 5, 2023, 11:45 AM

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Mine plays lots of TF2 and DoD:S 😄

golden schooner Apr 5, 2023, 11:45 AM

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i plaed dod alot too back when 😄

long robin Apr 5, 2023, 11:45 AM

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Sometimes I walk in and ask if he's winning

golden schooner Apr 5, 2023, 11:46 AM

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xD

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and he hears it as "are you whining?" ?

long robin Apr 5, 2023, 11:46 AM

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Nah he's always at the top of the scoreboard

golden schooner Apr 5, 2023, 11:46 AM

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noice

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time he gets to know the fwog 🙂

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and mayhaps finds love in making games

long robin Apr 5, 2023, 11:46 AM

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I can hear him laughing from other rooms when he rekts some fools

wind trout Apr 5, 2023, 11:47 AM

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Fwog must be known

golden schooner Apr 5, 2023, 11:47 AM

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: D

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imagine a DoD clone made with Fwog

long robin Apr 5, 2023, 11:47 AM

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Lol

golden schooner Apr 5, 2023, 11:47 AM

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on the back of the cd box you see a liddle pic of littlejaker and papa grinning into the camera 😄

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with a little backstory

long robin Apr 5, 2023, 11:48 AM

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Heh

golden schooner Apr 5, 2023, 11:48 AM

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XD

long robin Apr 5, 2023, 11:49 AM

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But yeah he's interested in learning to code now that he's close to retirement

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I sent him the website for my CS class where I learned C programming

golden schooner Apr 5, 2023, 11:51 AM

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thats cool

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Jaker 1 is always welcome here lol

long robin Apr 5, 2023, 11:52 AM

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I'm trying

fiery sorrel Apr 5, 2023, 4:20 PM

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long robin I feel like the gltf viewer is already attempting to be that

can i help i think gltf viewer with movablw camera is all u need yea

long robin Apr 5, 2023, 4:20 PM

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the camera is moveable already

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press the grave accent key to toggle mouse lock

fiery sorrel Apr 5, 2023, 4:22 PM

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oh

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y-yea i knew that

golden schooner Apr 5, 2023, 4:23 PM

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back to work basil 😄

fiery sorrel Apr 5, 2023, 4:24 PM

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Sleep*

golden schooner Apr 5, 2023, 4:25 PM

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by sunday i want to see some car driving and physics action 😉

long robin Apr 6, 2023, 2:42 AM

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I should do something like for rsm 2

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my current filter tends to delete detail in corners

long robin Apr 6, 2023, 8:21 AM

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I wonder why these things get screwed up during window resizing, but only when I use texture views

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I'm creating and destroying the textures and their views at the same time, so idk what gives

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it's a bit sus how the view remains corrupted while my cursor is just holding the resize bit, but not actually triggering resize events

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then it suddenly becomes "uncorrupted" when I release click, even though no resize event happened (so the textures are still the same)

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I'm gonna blame nvidia for this one

oak garden Apr 6, 2023, 8:48 AM

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nvidia moment

wind trout Apr 6, 2023, 12:34 PM

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How weird. Which gpu do you use?

long robin Apr 6, 2023, 7:07 PM

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wind trout How weird. Which gpu do you use?

rtx 3070

long robin Apr 7, 2023, 12:44 AM

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the weird resizing behavior happens on AMD too nervous

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at this point I just wanna say it's a windows or glfw quirk

shell inlet Apr 7, 2023, 12:57 AM

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inb4 happens on linux

fiery sorrel Apr 7, 2023, 5:18 AM

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did my task breakdown for Fwog Racing

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yea i waited until now to start work fr fr smh

fiery sorrel Apr 7, 2023, 5:34 AM

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long robin I wonder why these things get screwed up during window resizing, but only when I...

dunno if related bug. I'll put it as a 'Issue' for the Fwog repo
https://github.com/JuanDiegoMontoya/Fwog/issues/63

long robin Apr 7, 2023, 5:41 AM

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what's the bug?

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it looks kinda laggy, but probably because 400 samples of unfiltered RSM is the default

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I got the github issue btw, I'll reply there @fiery sorrel

fiery sorrel Apr 7, 2023, 5:43 AM

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oh its super minor u dont even have to fix it

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It's the G-Buffer clear thing I wanted u to be aware of it in the example

long robin Apr 7, 2023, 5:43 AM

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it's actually not a bug

fiery sorrel Apr 7, 2023, 5:44 AM

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meant here

long robin Apr 7, 2023, 5:44 AM

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indeed

fiery sorrel Apr 7, 2023, 5:44 AM

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ah ok. The reply explaining what's going on there can still be helpful

long robin Apr 7, 2023, 5:48 AM

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reply made

fiery sorrel Apr 7, 2023, 5:48 AM

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oh that's helpful reply

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thanks

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oh no @long robin what have u done

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using that word... that word that should not be said... summons the @robust bough

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:p

long robin Apr 7, 2023, 5:50 AM

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which one is that in

fiery sorrel Apr 7, 2023, 5:50 AM

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02_deferred.cpp

long robin Apr 7, 2023, 5:50 AM

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ah

fiery sorrel Apr 7, 2023, 5:50 AM

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it was just for the gCubeVertices

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I am just poking fun at caio's trigger

long robin Apr 7, 2023, 5:50 AM

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and the indices

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I should make them both static and constexpr

fiery sorrel Apr 7, 2023, 5:51 AM

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im gonna do that yea. I am stealing ur cube primitives

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because i dont want to get out paper to remember whose face has whose vertices

fiery sorrel Apr 7, 2023, 6:18 AM

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is Vulkan experience meant as a pre-req for fwog

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The only way I knew to render lines was because I used Vulkan before and knew about the InputAssemblyState when creating the pipeline but there's no examples provided that shows how to use it otherwise.

robust bough Apr 7, 2023, 6:19 AM

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Global bad

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No global

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Take it back

long robin Apr 7, 2023, 6:23 AM

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fiery sorrel is Vulkan experience meant as a pre-req for fwog

it helps

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it's not supposed to be a requirement, but I can see it being confusing have to put stuff in the pipeline

fiery sorrel Apr 7, 2023, 6:23 AM

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I will post an issue to describe the observation I made

long robin Apr 7, 2023, 6:25 AM

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now that there're docs, you can actually read them

fiery sorrel Apr 7, 2023, 6:27 AM

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https://github.com/JuanDiegoMontoya/Fwog/issues/64

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tldr: one extra line of code in hello_triangle can also be a 'soft tutorial' for this concept I guess

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because I only was able to figure out what to do because I already used Vulkan before

long robin Apr 7, 2023, 6:28 AM

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you can also look at pipeline.h to see what state is available to set

fiery sorrel Apr 7, 2023, 6:28 AM

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I knew to check there and follow the rabbit hole around pipeline stuff to do it

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but only because like I said I knew Vulkan stuff already

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in OpenGL people are used to setting the primitive in the draw command

long robin Apr 7, 2023, 6:29 AM

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ye, I'll update the example

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bit too much implicit stuff in it atm

fiery sorrel Apr 7, 2023, 6:29 AM

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I mean yea they could see it from here

long robin Apr 7, 2023, 6:29 AM

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my faith in opengl users is low

shell inlet Apr 7, 2023, 6:32 AM

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understandable considering what you'd see in #opengl

long robin Apr 7, 2023, 6:43 AM

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I also realized I'm using spans (pointer + size) in some places where ranges (iterator + size) are a more correct abstraction, but idc tbh

fiery sorrel Apr 7, 2023, 8:49 AM

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there is no 'default depth texture' for the SwapChainRenderning stuff right?

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If I want a depth buffer I have to use BeginRendering instead

long robin Apr 7, 2023, 8:49 AM

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there is a depth texture

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you just can't read it because lul opengl

fiery sorrel Apr 7, 2023, 8:50 AM

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how do I write to it then

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ive tried all three ops lol

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and looked at the header and stuff but i dont get it

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The examples use BeginRendering for depth buffer stuff

long robin Apr 7, 2023, 8:51 AM

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fiery sorrel how do I write to it then

by binding a pipeline that has depth write enabled

fiery sorrel Apr 7, 2023, 8:51 AM

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like yea I have to ue BeginRendering if I want these boys I think?

fiery sorrel Apr 7, 2023, 8:51 AM

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long robin by binding a pipeline that has depth write enabled

yea I did that at first

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oh

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but I didn't specify my attachmentloadop

long robin Apr 7, 2023, 8:51 AM

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the rendertoswapchain stuff just exposes rendering to the default fbo

fiery sorrel Apr 7, 2023, 8:52 AM

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ok so if I do that and then nothing shows up what am I missing

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if I dont want to use BeginRendering() I mean

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so like I thought its because the default swapchain doesnt seem to have a depth buffer so it'd always 'fail' the test or something

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I dont see any place to attach the depth buffer to the default fbo

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I will be using BeginRendering() anyways but I was just wondering if I was missing something in SwapchainRendering for a depth texture

long robin Apr 7, 2023, 9:11 AM

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there is already a depth buffer

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assuming you got one from your windowing system

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so you don't need to attach anything, it's just there

fiery sorrel Apr 7, 2023, 9:23 AM

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is there a tldr on how to use it with just 'BeginSwapchainRendering'

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if not its ok I can look at the documentation

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All examples use BeginRendering() to render to a texture and have a depth buffer attachment and then render that texture into SwapChain

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oh I forgot to consider my rasterizationState

long robin Apr 7, 2023, 9:25 AM

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it's just like regular opengl, but different

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BeginSwapchainRendering has an implicit color target and depth/stencil target

fiery sorrel Apr 7, 2023, 9:26 AM

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well in regular ogl I can just 'haha glDepthMask(gl_true) go brr'

long robin Apr 7, 2023, 9:28 AM

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https://fwog.readthedocs.io/en/latest/rendering.html#_CPPv4N4Fwog19SwapchainRenderInfoE

heavy cipher Apr 7, 2023, 9:30 AM

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template<typename... Args> inline requires (sizeof...(Args)<=4) ClearColorValue(const Args &... args)
ah yes, dokumentation

fiery sorrel Apr 7, 2023, 9:42 AM

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ok I figured out how I was retarded

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it was an OpenGL brain rot

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I forgot to set a clear depth value. I noticed it through RenderDoc lol

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I just thought it'd always be 1.0f by default idk why

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wait i got an idea I can edit simple_scene.glb to get an easy ground for placeholder

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genius

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deforestation

shell inlet Apr 7, 2023, 9:54 AM

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fiery sorrel deforestation

how do you like teh rsm sample

fiery sorrel Apr 7, 2023, 9:54 AM

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its cool but im not at a deferred rendering skill level to full appreicate it yet

shell inlet Apr 7, 2023, 9:54 AM

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wack without occlusion?

fiery sorrel Apr 7, 2023, 9:54 AM

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but both it and the gltf_viewer are really good example scenes

shell inlet Apr 7, 2023, 9:55 AM

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if only we could find a good way to use rsm with specular back then it would be more epic

long robin Apr 7, 2023, 9:56 AM

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ray tracing sample when

shell inlet Apr 7, 2023, 9:56 AM

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this is the best I could manage but the sample count is a meme

shell inlet Apr 7, 2023, 9:56 AM

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long robin ray tracing sample when

when you add ray tracing

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use madmann's lib I'll assist you (when I finish my thesis lmao)

oak garden Apr 7, 2023, 9:57 AM

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GL_FWOG_ray_tracing

long robin Apr 7, 2023, 9:58 AM

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shell inlet when you add ray tracing

after I do a bunch of other stuff

shell inlet Apr 7, 2023, 9:59 AM

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clustered volumeisms? frogepinkhappy 🔪 ?

long robin Apr 7, 2023, 10:00 AM

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that's also on da list

shell inlet Apr 7, 2023, 10:03 AM

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god I wish I could add a probe sample tho

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I absolutely did not expect college to turn out as busy as it did

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pure madness with how they require things way ahead of time because they optimize the diploma creation pipeline at the price of overworking staff and students

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I'm not even supposed to have a definite thesis topic yet by schedule, but in reality I must have a draft the day after tomorrow

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and I have 0% ready lmao

heavy cipher Apr 7, 2023, 10:05 AM

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EXT_diploma_objects soon

shell inlet Apr 7, 2023, 10:06 AM

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quickly grabbed my old project as the topic to write a paper on, fr productive leisure helps to move in life

golden schooner Apr 7, 2023, 10:34 AM

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let me try the resizing thing

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🇹🇫 this is there again

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fiery sorrel Apr 7, 2023, 10:57 AM

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~~the macro~~ misread the & as &&

long robin Apr 7, 2023, 10:57 AM

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I saw dat

fiery sorrel Apr 7, 2023, 10:57 AM

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was such a stupid question LMFAO

long robin Apr 7, 2023, 10:57 AM

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it looked like you were asking what 1 was bleakekw

fiery sorrel Apr 7, 2023, 10:58 AM

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I was like 'how tfw this and conditional even work what?'

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then I realized it was an &

long robin Apr 7, 2023, 10:58 AM

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in theory there will be more than one flag

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it's future proofing

fiery sorrel Apr 7, 2023, 11:01 AM

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why sampler state constructed every frame

long robin Apr 7, 2023, 11:07 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/its-free-real-sate-gif-7215175

Tenor

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samplers are cached, so it's basically free

fiery sorrel Apr 7, 2023, 11:08 AM

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woah based

fiery sorrel Apr 8, 2023, 9:16 AM

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yea I confirmed @long robin

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I think its becasue of

long robin Apr 8, 2023, 9:17 AM

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I don't get that error in my things for some reason

fiery sorrel Apr 8, 2023, 9:18 AM

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hold on did it disappear

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yea its related @long robin
https://github.com/ClementineAccount/Fwog_WarningsFixed

GitHub

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when I created a fork just to test it out I can now compile my other project

long robin Apr 8, 2023, 9:33 AM

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weird

fiery sorrel Apr 8, 2023, 9:34 AM

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I still get some warnings but they aren't treated as errors

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OH

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I found out why

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You commented out Werrors but not Wx

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let me test if thats the case and if so i can make a pR

long robin Apr 8, 2023, 9:38 AM

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I only compile with msvc btw

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I don't have werror for the other ones because the warning diverge too much I guess

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The crt thing is fixed with a define

fiery sorrel Apr 8, 2023, 9:43 AM

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I think if Werrors is commented out, Wx should also be commented out

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since that's just msvc's version of Werrors

long robin Apr 8, 2023, 9:46 AM

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maybe I'll try to enable werror again

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the problem is that ci compiles for gcc 🐸

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but yeah ideally everything should have werror or wx, but I only enable it for the platform I can quickly iterate on

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also fwog's werror things shouldn't impact your project that includes it as a dependency frogstare

fiery sorrel Apr 8, 2023, 9:49 AM

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I wish there was 'Werror, Wx but only for my code not other libraries'

fiery sorrel Apr 8, 2023, 9:49 AM

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long robin also fwog's werror things shouldn't impact your project that includes it as a de...

I think it does actually(?)

fiery sorrel Apr 8, 2023, 9:50 AM

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fiery sorrel I still get some warnings but they aren't treated as errors

mayhaps can ask @golden schooner to include it into his CMake Template as a test. When I tried to i do get this situation

heavy cipher Apr 8, 2023, 9:51 AM

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fiery sorrel I wish there was 'Werror, Wx but only for my code not other libraries'

there is

fiery sorrel Apr 8, 2023, 9:51 AM

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what is it

heavy cipher Apr 8, 2023, 9:51 AM

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system includes

long robin Apr 8, 2023, 9:51 AM

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Maybe my problem is that I'm using the wrong scope for the compile options

heavy cipher Apr 8, 2023, 9:51 AM

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wait

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you are asking about the easy thing

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just compile your thing with Wx

golden schooner Apr 8, 2023, 9:52 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/name-lafuddyduddy-hearing-look-dog-gif-17106361

Tenor

heavy cipher Apr 8, 2023, 9:52 AM

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that doesn't affect fwog

golden schooner Apr 8, 2023, 9:52 AM

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can you TLDR it basil?

heavy cipher Apr 8, 2023, 9:52 AM

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but i guess if you get warnings from fwog headers you still want system includes

fiery sorrel Apr 8, 2023, 9:52 AM

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ok so the tldr is @golden schooner

I tried to include Fwog into my project that was born from the Deccer CMake Template

golden schooner Apr 8, 2023, 9:53 AM

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that should be virtually the same

fiery sorrel Apr 8, 2023, 9:53 AM

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fiery sorrel I still get some warnings but they aren't treated as errors

And that caused my compiler to be like 'yo can u fix cgltf kthxbai'

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When I forked Fwog and comment out /Wx and used FetchContent for that

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then suddenly I can compile again

golden schooner Apr 8, 2023, 9:53 AM

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i set warnings as error on the project level in my cmakeisms iirc

fiery sorrel Apr 8, 2023, 9:54 AM

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no but before I included Fwog it was fine

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unless I removeed Werrors and forgor I did that

long robin Apr 8, 2023, 9:54 AM

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How are you including Fwog in the project

fiery sorrel Apr 8, 2023, 9:54 AM

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in which case it was prob W4 instead

golden schooner Apr 8, 2023, 9:54 AM

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was aout to ask the same

fiery sorrel Apr 8, 2023, 9:54 AM

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when in rome do as the romans

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followed everythin like the rest

golden schooner Apr 8, 2023, 9:54 AM

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yes

fiery sorrel Apr 8, 2023, 9:54 AM

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So that fork does run

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but if I change it back to Jaker's id prob get back the errors

golden schooner Apr 8, 2023, 9:55 AM

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in the 2nd you add teat warnings as errors

fiery sorrel Apr 8, 2023, 9:55 AM

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let me test and see

fiery sorrel Apr 8, 2023, 9:55 AM

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golden schooner in the 2nd you add teat warnings as errors

wait

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how

golden schooner Apr 8, 2023, 9:55 AM

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hmm still have headerfiles in tehre, should re 🇲🇴 🇻🇪 those

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you are worse than me, you talk like a weasel with severe adhd

fiery sorrel Apr 8, 2023, 9:56 AM

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what does that mean

golden schooner Apr 8, 2023, 9:56 AM

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every other sentence its another topic 😄 or im just to slow to follow

long robin Apr 8, 2023, 9:56 AM

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You press enter instead of , or .

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And that

fiery sorrel Apr 8, 2023, 9:57 AM

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i dont get it. I only talked about Fwog include FetchContent

golden schooner Apr 8, 2023, 9:57 AM

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hehe, weasel made me giggle

long robin Apr 8, 2023, 9:57 AM

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Smh trying to beat my message record

#Fwog and co.