Quake 4 blaster

[mild tulip]

added grips too because i wanted to

[small oak]

I need to make a better example weapon

[pliant jackal]

my one gripe with the charge fire is that the ball of energy doesn't disappear immediately

also would make more sense to use a projectile instead of hitscan imo

[small oak]

I thought it looked weird when it did that

so I changed it

[pliant jackal]

hmm

an alternative would be to have it shrink a little faster and then play a muzzle flash effect

like the simple muzzle flash that's in the mod tools but blue

[small oak]

I could but I am kinda done tweaking this thing...

it's unity project is all I have been looking at for days

and I have like

homework

[pliant jackal]

fair enough

[small oak]

I also think the charge effect is one of the best effects I have ever made

mostly because it's so simple

[pliant jackal]

the charge effect is cool yeah

good job on that

[small oak]

and I have made some good effects

but this one is my favorite

epic pin fail

[small oak]

some cool shaders and shit

but this one it just so simple and it works so well

this is just 2 pretty standard particles

[mild tulip]

ok im not gonna lie i actually hate this gun and making a trailer for it will be torture so someone else gets to do that

[small oak]

killing myself

[pliant jackal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1148727455889240114/1299378869115162644/caption.gif

[small oak]

by the way is it the normal or babe version

[pliant jackal]

I'm ngl when I tried it it felt kinda wonky

[small oak]

why didn't you tell me

[pliant jackal]

felt like I couldn't hit anything

[small oak]

😭

[pliant jackal]

forgot

sorry

[small oak]

is it the babe no damage bug that I don't know the cause of?

or something else

[mild tulip]

babe

[pliant jackal]

hold on lemme try it again real quick

[mild tulip]

Big Trouble has hitreg issues and Double Trouble has awful bloom that makes it borderline unusable

[small oak]

I might fold on the bloom

[pliant jackal]

90% sure that was the issue yeah

ok just tried it again in quick play and its actually not horrible

tho compared to something like the default pistol it feels weirdly unforgiving

there's very little wiggle room for your aim

playing at 21 aim assist btw

(also the single gun dual wield can get confusing lmao, I just instinctively grabbed lovers off the leyline offering)

[small oak]

that was not my decision lmao

[pliant jackal]

also some of the sounds are a little quiet

[pliant jackal]

I know lol I just thought it was funny

[small oak]

I can't make them louder

[small oak]

dome

[pliant jackal]

dome

muzzle sparks are a little much I'm ngl

they block your view a lot

especially on the dual trouble

I think if you just shorten the lifetime on the particles and tighten the cone a little it'll be fine

[small oak]

rather die in a hole then continue to tweak the effects, I can send you the project if you would like to

[small oak]

I will not change the lifetime there are a million curves I would have to fix to do that

the cone could change but the noise will still fuck it up

[pliant jackal]

that's fine probably

[small oak]

the thing with the cone is that if I go too much you might think it's a shotgun

[pliant jackal]

fair enough

[small oak]

fun fact

I did not look at the source material when making effects

👍

[pliant jackal]

lmao

[small oak]

I thought this was an energy pistol

[pliant jackal]

is it not?

[small oak]

no lmao

[pliant jackal]

lmao

[small oak]

it is now

[pliant jackal]

true!

[small oak]

this is cooler anyways

[pliant jackal]

regular pistol has an inaccuracy of 0.25, blaster has one of 0.5

that explains it

[small oak]

blaster only had .5 on the charge mode

[pliant jackal]

oh you're right

my bad

[pliant jackal]

why tho?

[small oak]

becuase it doesn't matter for the first shot

[pliant jackal]

feels odd to have a charge mode have lower accuracy

[pliant jackal]

oh fr?

[small oak]

and you can't shoot fast enough for it matter

[small oak]

I don't think so, pretty sure it shoots before it applies bloom

if I remember the logic flow correctly

also I am going to make the camera more dramatic

[pliant jackal]

I was just about to say

[small oak]

but after homework

[pliant jackal]

no camera shake feels somewhat underwhelming

[pliant jackal]

same here lmao

been procrastinating

[pliant jackal]

nvm the issues are back

[small oak]

yeah I have 0 clue what that happens

like none at all

[pliant jackal]

trying to shoot enemies like 1m in front of me and the hitreg just doesn't work

very odd

[small oak]

The only possibility is that the bullet hits the chain

(it can't hit the gun)

but then you would still get a hit effect

and you don't

switching off and back onto the gun fixes it

[pliant jackal]

very weird

playing around with the base variant its actually really fun tho

love high rof semi auto

[small oak]

is the babe good when it works?

[small oak]

also this will be on all fire modes

for both guns

not just the charge

[pliant jackal]

it is, yeah

oh 1 thing about the BABE

shouldn't the muzzle flash on the primary fire come from the underbarrel

?

[visual fractal]

aldin

[small oak]

should it?

I can

[pliant jackal]

I made the fire anim with the assuption that that's where it fired from

tho it still works the other way as well

[mild tulip]

tbh the BABE should just be the dual-wield, with maybe a secondary where both shoot at once for higher damage but lower rpm. also make the accuracy or bloom or whatever not suck

[north night]

Kinda too late to change that

I knew you'd say that. That's why I think about asking someone else to make the base model

[mild tulip]

why dont you learn to model instead

could be fun!

[north night]

I'm already spreading thing with book writing and map making + my work load is expected to increase next year as I'm planning for a bit of promotion

In short learning model making would be too much for me to handle atm

[small oak]

exactly my case

[north night]

We can cover this topic later, when the gun is published

[north night]

Concluding a little brainstorm I did: the muzzle flash idea I sent Aldin is cringe. Tweaking existing one would yield better results.
I suggest lowering around of sparks and grouping them together more, so they won't fly out too far.

[calm sinew]

i really want to

but i am out of time

if you want i have a model for the original quake rocket launcher

remade like quake champions

dm me for details

[north night]

Chris I'm not asking to drop everything and start making model. Life comes first and I'm a patient man

[north night]

A rocket launcher? You peaked my curiosity. Can you show it?

[calm sinew]

https://www.instagram.com/p/DAooaFGN8FP/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

chris_wizardman3d

Mysterious Rocket Launcher found buried deep into the cold underground layers of a decaying castle ...

Instagram

ya have a preview

i can give you the model and everything

or

just the models :)))

no idea how to babe this thing

[calm sinew]

yeah i know , i just really like remaking these quake guns

[north night]

Hey, maybe you'll have free time at the start of 2025

[north night]

What can we do with you, 'Original'

[calm sinew]

mmm

debatable

but

[north night]

Hope for the best prepare for the worst?

[calm sinew]

if i ever start working on something ill uhhh look into

[calm sinew]

not really

im just keeping myself busy with things

[calm sinew]

ya want it or not ?

[north night]

Gimme. I'll brainstorm something cool for it

[calm sinew]

i left you some creative options for firing modes i hope

I designed it for reload animations

i can explain you how that works in like

a couple hours

[north night]

Okay.
Meanwhile here''s what I managed to come up with so far

Idea 1) its a single shot rocket launcher. Compared to base counter part it deals more damage, has much faster rockets but small AOE. Player must score direct hits

idea 2) Add a magazine on the size, doom 3 style. 4-5 rockets in the mag. Alt fire - unload entire mag in 1 quick burst

Hm, I see ports on the barrel. Is this where rockets are suppose to be loaded?

[calm sinew]

no

it breaks open kinda like the ashot from metro exodus

its breech loaded

idea 1 works better with the existing mechanism

babe could outright be quake 2 rpg

jsut because they look simil

similar

although

that requires me modeling

[north night]

Hm, breach loaded rocket launcher. Sounds cool

[north night]

minor tweaks to the model

[calm sinew]

nah

quake 2 rocket launcher has some external feeding mechanism thing

and it looks different enough

[north night]

hmm

[north night]

Idea:
primary fire is a super fast micro aoe rockets with big damage
alt fire is dumping all rockets you have in quick burst. They're a lot slower, have proper AOE and less damage

[small oak]

What still needs finished on this thing

[north night]

Adjust muzzle flashes and improve bloom for dual wield mode so its slightly more accurate during sustained fire
That's all

[small oak]

I already improved the bloom 😭

[north night]

on your end or in the version you sent me?

[small oak]

I sent it I think

[north night]

then only adjust the muzzle flash and we're golden

[north night]

[small oak]

I dunno what I still have to do

just waiting on all of you to finish up stuff

[north night]

Some tweaks to muzzle flashes as we discussed + I need the unity project so I can input my steam id and upload it on workshop

[north night]

[small oak]

I'm waiting on the workshop thumbnail and assets

[mild tulip]

it's ThanKKKsgiving so ill get it to you tomorrow

[visual fractal]

dn

[north night]

I thought we have thumbnail already

[small oak]

That isn't finished according to @mild tulip

[mild tulip]

yeah it SUCKS

[calm sinew]

It's real

At last

Or almost

[small oak]

[mild tulip]

don't i fucking know it man

[north night]

[visual fractal]

imagine if lazy waited patiently

[north night]

@mild tulip anything to repot?

[mild tulip]

no

[visual fractal]

why don't y'all just make it if you really need it

[north night]

I can't make a thumbnail, let alone a decent one. So I asked for help

[mild tulip]

i wish i was able to rn but my pc is fucked

prob wont be usable for a few days to a week

[calm sinew]

I like the original

[calm sinew]

.

I really dig it

Maybe If the background was Brown tho

[north night]

Well, Ame and Aldin disagree

[visual fractal]

just make a thumbnail, it's really not that important right now

[small oak]

I don't really have an issue with it

[north night]

Why won't we use it then?

[small oak]

Because ame said it wasn't finished

[visual fractal]

just use it until ame can provide a better one

[small oak]

I wouldn't use the unfinished work of someone else without their permission

[visual fractal]

create one then Idk

[mild tulip]

yeah this isn't my best work and i don't want it put out until i can finish it

if you're really itching to get it out, grab an inspect frame with the hud disabled and use that instead

there's a spot in the back of the sandbox that works great for that

[mild tulip]

by "it put out" i mean the thumbnail. you should get the mod out as you see fit lol

[small oak]

The mod is done and has been for a while now lol

[visual fractal]

then push it out

[small oak]

[north night]

Have you updated the particles?

[small oak]

no and I didn't plan to

I don't personally think they need changing lol

and you told me that you didn't like the reference material you sent me if I remember correctly

[north night]

Yep, I did. Later on I asked if you can make the particles more grouped up so they won't occupy the screen less

[small oak]

If I group them more it feels like a shotgun, I thought I brought this up

I can go about other ways of reducing the screen usage though

[north night]

You never that before

[small oak]

#1146396670385455154 message

I did

[north night]

Fuck my memory

[north night]

So, are we gonna post the mod now with current particles or you can tweak them a bit? If not, then lets upload these babies already

[small oak]

I still need a thumbnail

I was never planning on tweaking the particles

[north night]

please?

[visual fractal]

just get it up lol quit stalling

[north night]

Alright - alright. Aldin, who's gonna post it: you or me?

[visual fractal]

don't matter, just post it

because I wanna use it

[north night]

Aldin has the files

[visual fractal]

if aldin has the files, why'd you say you then silly

[north night]

I can give the gun itself to enjoy

[small oak]

I can, would be easier

Also mod tools plus doesn't give you an easy way to change the steam id

[north night]

Then its decided
I'll write description soon

[north night]

`Cutting edge energy sidearm. More energy efficient than previous generation, no longer overheats and has secondary power setting for tougher targets.

Credits:
Chris Wizardman - model
Swoi - model editing, animations
Aldin - implementation
Lazy Shadow - original idea, sounds
Ame - thumbnail`

Does that look good?

[small oak]

Yeah

I have stuff to add

Chain physics

[north night]

Oh yeah, just make a note that you need your mod plugin for chain physics to work as intended

[north night]

Small proposal: do not show dual wield mode on the screenshots and leave it as a suprise for those, who dont know

[mild tulip]

those who nose

[north night]

[small oak]

been too busy playing bat to the heavens...

[mild tulip]

lazy have you tried this strategy yet

[north night]

Suicide threats? Hardly effective here

[north night]

Aldin please stop holding the gun hostage

[visual fractal]

@small oak

do it

[north night]

[small oak]

Sunday trust

[north night]

its monday already

[visual fractal]

@small oak please

[small oak]

fuck

I am going to kill myself

[visual fractal]

do it so lazy shuts up

[north night]

Rude

[small oak]

https://tenor.com/view/test-gif-27464430

what to do what to do

@mild tulip do it

@north night 🫳

[north night]

🫳

[small oak]

I am taking promotional screenshots

[north night]

[small oak]

the fuck

oh it's a global chat bug

lmao

ok everything is done I just need a thumbnail

[small oak]

ame didn't finish it!!

I won't use unfinished work as ame said no

[north night]

Okay then

ok what the hell discord just blocked my message

[small oak]

dm it to me

we would have to either wait for ame or get the thumbnail from someone else

nope it's not word for word I guess

@north night

[north night]

wierd

anyway

[pliant jackal]

does this work for a temporary thumbnail @north night

[small oak]

yes

it's much better imo

just needs label

[north night]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sq_Fm7qfRQk&ab_channel=Sora%26Nors

[pliant jackal]

like this?

[small oak]

@north night @pliant jackal @calm sinew add me on steam, link in connections

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3385434400

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3385434400

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3385434400

[north night]

Will do once I'm home

Also its finally out! Time to celebrate

[calm sinew]

Hell yeah

[calm sinew]

next step is to add strogg to the game

[north night]

Hah. no
Next step is the rocket launcher

Intresting. Using * causes the server to freak out and block the message

[visual fractal]

if chris says strogg, then it's the strogg

always listen to chris

[calm sinew]

Thank you

[small oak]

@north night change the post to done

[north night]

Done

[wheat sparrow]

475 days

[visual fractal]

dez

nt

[small oak]

‼️

[north night]

Nice
but its like the first mod to be released in a while

[white stirrup]

lots of wip mods are being left on hold

[north night]

Yeah

[mild tulip]

@north night sorry for the extended delay, I decided that my old version SUCKED so here are my candidates. feel free to deny them all lmao

[visual fractal]

picture

[small oak]

1. It won't load and I haven't seen it yet
2. Swoi already made a pretty fire one and I didn't really plan on changing it lol

[mild tulip]

spoilered

[small oak]

I'm gonna say it raw, swoi did it better

[mild tulip]

absolutely fair

[visual fractal]

meanie

[mild tulip]

i mean i did throw it together in like 5 minutes while sitting in the chicago airport

[north night]

Why not just add one of them to screenshots

[mild tulip]

make it the third one if you do

[north night]

I think gun concept needs a revision whenever mod tools 2 become avaible.

Instead of dual wield alt fire for babe how about we make 2 variants of the gun packed in the mod:

• Current variant with new alt fire for babe
• twin variant. Dual wield at all times, update fire modes accordingly.

No animation changes needed, just implementation

[north night]

@small oak Is it possible to shove 2 guns in 1 mod?

[small oak]

yes...

you would have to hack the game to upload it though

[north night]

Damn. Well, then it'd be 2 mods instead of 1

[small oak]

you would have to hack the game to upload it

it would download just fine

[north night]

ah

do you think hacking could be avoided with mod tool 2?

[small oak]

it's not a big issue

I have done it before

to upload lose files as a workshop mod

[north night]

Oh, thats good. Could I ask you to do the reinmplementing magic whenever the tools are ready?

[small oak]

I just wanna update it and be done, not a major rework

I will be busy when 1.0 comes out

very very busy

[north night]

Understandable. We'll decide gun's fate when the time comes

[small oak]

or we can just change nothing an move on, I don't have any other plans even if I did have unlimited time

[north night]

Thats one of the options