#Post Patch Team Building

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hoary spruce
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After that faithful day, I've been hit pretty hard even for a casual player. So, I'm willing to discuss with anyone about building new teams! Just know I wanna stick to my preferred playstyles with no boundaries being crossed

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Here's what I have for 5s, everyone else is 4

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And for context, I'm a cyber war player (well, used to before this update. Now it's cam-cyber) in the Pr1me slag alliance

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As well as a z15 and z17 Pvp and event guy

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And the reason why this matters is to no one's surprise my event performance was gutted

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I mean I went from doing 50K in the span of 3 days in Mayhem

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to this

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Yeah the falloff is absolutely nasty

sleek cove
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What do ur current event teams look like?

hoary spruce
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I only have one as of currently

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The rest I'm struggling to come up with at least half a decent synergy as the first one

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This was my team before the big patch

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Pretty strong looking isn't it?

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Now it's reduced to this. Which is absolutely sad

sleek cove
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gotcha, and youve been using the current team in z17?

hoary spruce
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Yeah

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Sometimes it sees success

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Other times not so lucky

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hoary spruce
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Me too

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The thing is though I don't wanna go all Meta or too extreme if you get what I mean

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Especially double medics

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Maybe when I have more medics but not rn

languid cloak
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this is what im working with atm but dinobot needs to go as he is my replacement for lugnut but i dont have a good replacement for him so idk really what to do more of

hoary spruce
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I'm jealous of your Antagony

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I just recently got Chromia

languid cloak
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i would choose rippersnapper but i feel like everytime i try rippersnapper just fails

hoary spruce
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And here's what I'm rocking for her

sleek cove
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here r just a few things to consider.

  • optimus prime's rally range has been extended back to map-wide, u could consider using him again. but currently u need to wait all 12s to pass before ur next rally to work, just fyi (im assuming hes sa11)
  • ur current team is lacking an outpost popper, which i believe was ur lightspeed. id recommend afterbreaker if u dont mind sac'ing, as he has better reach
  • slingshot's ab no longer bypasses antidote zone, so watch out for those. unsure if this will be changed back
languid cloak
sleek cove
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btw what do u use sandstorm for?

hoary spruce
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Right, I forgot to mention!

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Back before the patch (his range is bugged rn, it'll be fixed next week)

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This guy was my ace in the hole. You could even say my main bot

hoary spruce
# sleek cove btw what do u use sandstorm for?

His role was a Hyper offensive version of your typical Rush Warrior. Low health and a decent shield, but high damage and a scrap ton of healing to make up for it. Add it up that he uses the famous fire/acid combo with it and he's destructive to say the least

sleek cove
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he does sound he like he had great bursts. was he prone to dying/getting low hp fast?

hoary spruce
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Before patch, on occasions. Even dying a few times.

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Otherwise he'd annihilate most things on his own, even sometimes going low HP, only to Jump right back up

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All thanks to his range too with his own combo

sleek cove
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so it sounds like hes a high dmg aoe w a risky rush kit, thats sometimes saved by his own healing

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i can see u favor him, so this is just a suggestion. would u consider a different bot that fulfills a high dmg aoe role, without having to charge in to deal that?

hoary spruce
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I mean optimal had that purpose

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Hell sandy snipes based in z15 and Weaker z17 bases

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But yeah I'll take aoe bot suggestions to pair with him

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Thanks

sleek cove
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oh to clarify, i mean replacing sandy

hoary spruce
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?

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Well he has been my main and I do want him to stick Around. What do you have?

sleek cove
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this is just my guess but, altho sandy deals a lot of dmg. it sounds like he also puts himself at risk and has to save himself w healing which can stack in ap cost. minerva might also be getting lured in if he rushes far

sleek cove
hoary spruce
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So I'll keep him

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But I do want to inquire, who else did you have in mind?

sleek cove
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my suggestion would have been either scattershot or brainstorm

hoary spruce
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Oooooo

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Both of those choices I like

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Especially brainstorm

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Brainstorm is one of my favorite jets aside Slingshot

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I'll even go as far as to say I like Brainstorm over air raid even

sleek cove
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and uve also got a lot of options to trigger his explosion in ur current team, one being slingshot himself

hoary spruce
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So sandy and sling staying

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Minerva too, a no brainer

sleek cove
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whats beachcomber doing atm?

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for ur team

hoary spruce
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Ah yes, a bot I'm considering replacing alongside Sixgun

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And for good reason

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Originally I was thinking beach serves as my meat shield support hybrid. To help sandstorm or Ironhide

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What made pre nerf beachcomber unique was the reflection.

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Alongside the invis and hack

And while the hack is still there, it just doesn't feel the same. With Invis being countered by flare mines, I don't think that attack boost is worth it

sleek cove
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i agree that he might not be bringing much value currently

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just an idea, u could replace him with brainstorm. but give sandstorm a long-ranged gun (fracas, crb, cratermaker, tiptop) and try use him as en emergency healer

hoary spruce
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Aight

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And my reasons for Sixgun being replaced is also justified

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Yeah he has fire damage and big damage too. But I feel his ability is Inconsistent

sleek cove
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i experienced the same. his ability animation also takes a good while

hoary spruce
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Sometimes a rocket is wasted on a target that just got destroyed, which infuriates me

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Doesn't help that his ability is expensive either

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When I used optimal with sling, I at least knew the targets would be obliterated

With sixgun, I sweat nervously, hoping Sixgun doesn't act like a bot from Call of duty

sleek cove
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just to recap, the team as of now:
sandstorm, ironhide, roadbuster, brainstorm, bluestreak, slingshot, minerva, (sixgun)

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if this looks right, id say ur team is still missing an outpost popper, which would take the place of sixgun

hoary spruce
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7 members

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Yup

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Ironhide does kinda serve as a popper on occasion

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Especially given he has G1 and Buzzstrike, meaning he can lure away Stun and hack bots, Liokaiser included

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And despite his loss of health Reduction, Bluestreak still serves me well, especially in OHKOing important buildings, Build bots included

sleek cove
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im concerned for his survivability

hoary spruce
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There's onyx ofc, which Is currently on 4* Blurr

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And I also considered putting onyx on 5* Inferno/Unicronus when I get him

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Anyways, here's what my roadbuster is rocking! He took the 5* Solus Prime away from Optimal after his nerf

sleek cove
hoary spruce
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Like Skyboom?

sleek cove
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yeeee

hoary spruce
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Hmmmm

sleek cove
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dmg reduction would help ironhide a lot. tho i prefer jaze personally

hoary spruce
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I'll consider the sets, sure!

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Now popper wise

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I already have:

Sandstorm (Ace)
Brainstorm (AOE/Ice damage)
Sling (Acid support/offense)
Ironhide (Rush/Sponge)
Minerva (No brainer medic)
Bluestreak (Sniper)

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And the function of my Roadbuster is Shield Gen and Beachcomber Killer

sleek cove
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what does ace mean?

hoary spruce
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He's more or less my main bot. Either I can use him for Ironhide's/Pipes rush purposes but offensive, or hang tight and heal the team

My "Balance Type" of the team so to say

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So all I need is said popper or sac bot, is this right?

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I want to say Afterbreaker but at the same time I don't

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Because there's no doubt he does his 2 jobs:

Popping all ops
And crashing and blowing up to smithereens

sleek cove
sleek cove
hoary spruce
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Yeah

sleek cove
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I assume uve got vector and sidetrack for him?

hoary spruce
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I could put vector on him

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It was originally on my Chromia for defense, but I can do that for him!

Originally he had Tactician

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To ignore resource buildings and get an easier time popping

sleek cove
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Ahhh I see

hoary spruce
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Is either set for him fine?

sleek cove
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Yes, but I think he has enough range that u can always pop a dangerous outpost without tactician pathing

hoary spruce
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Got it

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I'll just put something else on chromia

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Like rejuvenate

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God I hope Chromia gets a G1 soon

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Hold on I might actually ask that

sleek cove
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Btw since ur going to use afterbeeaker for sac. Ironhide wouldn't need liege as much

hoary spruce
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Yeah

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I'll see how after does

sleek cove
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Nor buzzzstrike

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Suree

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Best of luck

hoary spruce
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But when I'm not using him or if he fails, Whom else should I use? I got Lightspeed, Dinobot and Blaster of either of those 3 are functional for that

sleek cove
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Quintus + the healing weapon can always work on him too

sleek cove
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More range, more coverage, more adaptive for event purposes

hoary spruce
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Yeah. I might create a second squad, but I wanna test the first one

hoary spruce
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@sleek cove

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It'll still take a few more bases but first test is a success

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Even if my phone acted dumb

sleek cove
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Woohoo!! I hope ur win rate improves

sleek cove
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Lemme see

hoary spruce
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So in other words not to choose the previous 8

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Which is good for the context of consecutive squads for Mayhem

sleek cove
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Yee I gotcha

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Do u have deadend?

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O sorry, kup

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He's the best sac imo

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For mayhem

hoary spruce
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Actually yeah I do!

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I wish he gets a 5* soon

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There's no reason it should be kept from us

sleek cove
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Perfect. Okay, sidetrack again for him. I'm actually not sure who would benefit more from vector, it'll be up to u

sleek cove
hoary spruce
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My 5* sidetrack on TT

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For defense

sleek cove
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4s or 3s, they all have same duration of immunity I'm p sure

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And that's what matters

hoary spruce
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4* on Afterbreaker too

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Would Kup also be good as a walk bot to stick with squads?

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Because I don't wanna be stuck with a cap of 7 bots all the time

sleek cove
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Ppl only use him to solo in non mayhem or pvp, or even backdoor during war. But he's not really much w a squad

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Wait lemme check his combat options

hoary spruce
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He has companion and gunner

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He can also use Leo like the other ranged specials

sleek cove
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Oh and im p sure Afterburner and kup has to die, cos u only deploy ur 7 bots after op/biners use up abilities

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Which can take a while against swoop, cosmos etc

hoary spruce
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Yeah, I just wanna make sure defenses don't kill me Either

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Which is another concern

sleek cove
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The value of op popping is worth a slot, in my opinion

hoary spruce
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Especially since my only other medic is Wheeljack

sleek cove
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Wheeljack 5s?

hoary spruce
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Yeah

sleek cove
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I think he's great, especially paired with op

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But I don't use bido, I put ozu on him as he needs the help

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Uhh I don't use kunai, I use cl

hoary spruce
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I use Kunai. Since combat exclusive boost n all.

sleek cove
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That's fair

hoary spruce
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Which is why I'm concerned since Wheeljack is much more frail that Minerva

sleek cove
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Yeah and the medium range puts him more at risk when equipped with kunai

hoary spruce
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Meaning if Wheeljack and Kup die, then it's all on the other 6 bots

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Which can be the difference between victory and defeat

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Now you see why I was concerned?

sleek cove
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That's why ur squad needs to be balanced and have a path planned

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I understand the concern, using 7 bots require a tight squad, as few weaknesses as possible

hoary spruce
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Why is it bad to use 8?

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Hmmmmm.... 💡

I say instead of Kup, It'll be Blaster with Quintaxe

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With the main goal/win condition being keeping Blaster and Wheeljack Alive

sleek cove
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It's not bad to use 8

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But if u plan to use 8, ur best option would be rook and grapple pair to compensate no sac

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And I saw u don't havve either at 5s

sleek cove
hoary spruce
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Yup I also bring a combiner with me to battle

sleek cove
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Ohhhhh

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Ok that changes things 😂

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Yeah go for it. I've been thinking no biner the whole time

hoary spruce
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Ya know what?

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For sac options, imma alternate between After and Lightspeed in between their squads

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Especially when I'm doing no biner challenges in wars

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Regardless you're being helpful and I appreciate it 😁

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Dear Primus I need to level up the core and axe a bit, it's been a while since I last used this bad boy

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So I got Blaster and Wheeljack

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Now who else to match the similar criteria of previous Squad while still keeping the 2 safe? 🤔

sleek cove
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Like

  1. Op popper
  2. Tank
  3. Aoe dmg
    etc
hoary spruce
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Acid especially

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To stop the healing

sleek cove
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So one role has to be acid... oh about that. Just so u know, alchemist defense core can't be stopped w acid now

hoary spruce
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Wait what?!

sleek cove
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Cos it's lifesteal now

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Which acid doesn't block

hoary spruce
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that explains why I kept losing in the wars too

sleek cove
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😂 😭

hoary spruce
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I go "Eh my og team may be a bit scuffed but I still got this"

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The defenses: hahaha no

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So now I need to consider a one hitter quitter too

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And both Roadbuster and Bluestreak are taken

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Otherwise a way to at least reduce the damage, or bo-

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wait a minute

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Blaster, Wheeljack......

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Topspin!

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My offense defense Hybrid!

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Either him or Jetfire or both

sleek cove
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i also think topsin is a great option

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pair w whirl? can help keep ap costs down by using both

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oh yeah or jetfire, ur choice

hoary spruce
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Hmmmm

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A choice between a jet and a gunner

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I'll save that option for last

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For now

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Blaster, Wheeljack, Topspin

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Pipes!

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That or Nosecone or slug. Literally either of those 3 work

quick niche
sleek cove
hoary spruce
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I was also thinking of Scattershot for substitute Sling

sleek cove
quick niche
hoary spruce
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Sling is on my primary team. We're constructing my secondary

In case ya needed context worriz

sleek cove
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slug passive deals less dmg than before, so im p sure hes dealing the least amount of dmg among standard rush warriors

hoary spruce
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His sa11 has a unique ability with the fire where anything burned by him has their attack reduced

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Which is fine...if I had the ab11

sleek cove
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that is p useful, but pipes acid and nosecone's wall dmg is also advantageous

hoary spruce
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Which means either Nosecone or Pipes

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Blaster
Pipes/Nosecone
Wj
Topspin

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Gonna add scatter

sleek cove
hoary spruce
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My pipes has Megatronus while My Nosecone has Leige

quick niche
sleek cove
sleek cove
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if u decide to use pipes

quick niche
hoary spruce
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Wanna help too?

quick niche
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If I can though I don't think I'll be much help. 😅

hoary spruce
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It's fine.

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So far with team 2 it's a medic, 3 melees and 1 range

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Soon 2 range

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On one hand I wanna throw in Dinobot, with his Micronus sb Optimus combo

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But that'd be putting the team at 4 melees

quick niche
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Is Blaster already in the team?

hoary spruce
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Yeah

quick niche
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I feel they kinda do a similar role, minions for taking hits/popping outposts.

hoary spruce
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Yeah

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I'll have to save Dinobot for 3rd squad if I ever get there

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I got to make sure first 2 works beforehand

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I've decided Nosecone is gonna be the official #2

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Considering he can distract the ops AND Hack them

sleek cove
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sounds good, i assume he has a shield combat?

hoary spruce
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Yup!

sleek cove
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greatt

hoary spruce
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Imma take off 5* Jaze on beach and slap it on Nosecone!

sleek cove
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probably for the best until the team can revisit beachcomber

hoary spruce
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So now, I'm considering 2 Ranged bots

sleek cove
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whirl/jetfire is one option

hoary spruce
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Yup

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Depending on who performs better

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Lemme look at my other choices

sleek cove
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i think its gotta be whirl, uve a lot of airbots and i think ur long-ranged guns for them r running out

quick niche
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Whirl has utility with the two abilities as well.

hoary spruce
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True

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Yeah whirl it is

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The final bot is a solid choice between 3 bots

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Air raid, Blades or Bee (Even if bee needs leveling)

sleek cove
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wait, final bot? who am i missing:
nosecone, blaster, scatter, WJ, topspin, whirl

hoary spruce
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Wait

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Blaster
Wj
Nosecone
Scattershot
Topspin
Whirl

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Oh crap ur right

sleek cove
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thank goodness, u need a support so yeah 2 slots left

quick niche
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2 slots even better.

hoary spruce
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So

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Blades has his hack bomb

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Bee has emp, as well as him being my Prima flak guy

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And air raid....well is air raid, we all know him too well

sleek cove
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i vote air raid

hoary spruce
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Yeah

sleek cove
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nosecone already hacking op, and topspin+whirl should get rid of distant threats so blade hack is situational

hoary spruce
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Plus he'll make it easier for blaster to use his sharks

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So burst AOE is necessary

sleek cove
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yeee

hoary spruce
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Now for the final Bot

languid cloak
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i swear this chat has been going longer then my patience (which is extremely long btw)

hoary spruce
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Oh come on what's so bad?

quick niche
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That's how we know cooking is good.

hoary spruce
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Yeah!

quick niche
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These teams are looking legit. Thinking

languid cloak
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hol up i gotta see how long this chat is brb

hoary spruce
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I'll take a screenshot of team 2 when finished

languid cloak
hoary spruce
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The final bot....hmmm

sleek cove
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ideally its a support but out of ur 5-stars i see like, no option besides beachcomber

hoary spruce
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Can you blame us though? The balance patch threw everything into chaos

sleek cove
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but beach's ability is a bit inconsistent atm

sleek cove
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yessss

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i was thinking of tracks

hoary spruce
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Tracks is a good choice

Lemme look at anyone else who can help

languid cloak
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but thats at sa11 iirc

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but without sa11 is just hack

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which is just one pulse

hoary spruce
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Yeah

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I can't wait for track's 5* to be official instead of webstore

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First, here's my medics as an option

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I really wanted to consider wreck gar so bad, but I don't have his 4*

So in medics it's between ratchet and First aid, but only if I must run double medic with my team

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So that'll be in the back burner to use if anything else fails

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In terms of combative support I thought of a few choices

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One of which besides bee was Mirage for 4(+0) emp support

quick niche
hoary spruce
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Another good one backed up by this would make the team 4 melees and 3 ranges would be Rodimus

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But then again that wouldn't entirely do anything besides damage

quick niche
sleek cove
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hes breakdown

hoary spruce
quick niche
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Let me see in base trials, brb'.

hoary spruce
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You got him at ab11?

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I heard he has wider splash with that

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WAIT

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Besides the double medics thing as back up I got it now!

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A choice between Mirage....Or Hot Rod!

quick niche
sleek cove
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yeah idk the sa11 aoe either

hoary spruce
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None of us do

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All we know is it's big

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If only mirage was 5*

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I mean it'll complete Maximus but still

sleek cove
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mirages emp could be useful but w the team so far, distant threats r taken care of

hoary spruce
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Hot Rod it is!

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And if he falls, it'll be Ratchet or First Aid

sleek cove
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wait if its a choice between hotrod and tracks, id choose tracks. is hotrod more lvled at the moment?

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ur team is expensive, lower ab cost would be ideal

hoary spruce
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Lemme have a look. Only downside is neither of them have a proper combat

sleek cove
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and tracks is aoe dmg reduction

hoary spruce
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And while hot Rod has G1, tracks ain't got no proper core

sleek cove
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perfect to hold a prime core w a universal effect

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like nexus, tho i think ur alpha trion is already equipped

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oh damn, actually u can move ur prima to tracks

hoary spruce
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While bumble has what?

sleek cove
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u plan to still use him?

hoary spruce
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Yeah tracks ain't got nothin

hoary spruce
sleek cove
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i was thinking migrating prima+flak completely- oh

hoary spruce
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Especially with brawn once I get him

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2 +7.....yikes

sleek cove
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alright then, nexus or micronus

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yeah 2nd use is really expensive

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but usually u'd only use it once, during dire situations

hoary spruce
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Meaning I outta use him wisely

sleek cove
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yeee

hoary spruce
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I do have one more option

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Which I doubt would beat tracks but is still a good one

sleek cove
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yeaaah,,, tracks

hoary spruce
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Gotcha

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I'll likely move the nexus core off vector and give him his G1

sleek cove
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just to confirm, ur alpha is equipped already?

hoary spruce
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Alpha trion?

sleek cove
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yeah

hoary spruce
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I don't have his 5*

sleek cove
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oh no i mean the prime core

hoary spruce
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OH

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It's on Minerva

sleek cove
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makes sense

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who has micronus?

hoary spruce
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Dinobot

sleek cove
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r u going to be using him?

hoary spruce
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Yup

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Both offense for 3rd squad and defense usage

sleek cove
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alrighty then

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my thought was alpha > micronus > nexus for tracks

hoary spruce
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So take nexus off my vector and G1 for him too?

sleek cove
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yeah 👍

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this is beyond the scope of what ur asking for but i do want to let u know

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dinobot on defense sounds not ideal

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if u ever reconsider him, taking his micronus and putting it on tracks would be great

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i heard hes got a 4th holo now, but in every base attack ive seen w him in outpost, his holos drop p quickly

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and besides causing a brief distraction, no other value is added defensively

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oh but if he works for u, then ignore me. this is just my guess

hoary spruce
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I think now's a good time to tell you about my defense?

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It's a pretty unique one compared to others you've seen before

sleek cove
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sure, that sounds interesting 👀

hoary spruce
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Lower

Though now that I heard of the life steal, I swapped Micronus and alchemist around

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Anyways the idea of this kind of defense is basically a Killzone. To overwhelm the opponents with the defenses and outposts, which change based on the combiner being used

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Although Lazer Optimus has always been on my defense

sleek cove
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ooo i see what u mean

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i can see dinobot helping w the overwhelm part

hoary spruce
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Okay so I tested them all

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3 battles even with ruin

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Tracks leveling up a bit more

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But holy hell, Quintaxe is stronger than I thought it would be

sleek cove
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yooo nice to hear

hoary spruce
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Red alert also helped me deal with Fellbat too

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So there's that

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Next battle after did a technical solo with ruin in z15

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Which I found funny

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The last battle though?! My God

sleek cove
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sheeshhh glad u won tho

hoary spruce
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Yup

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Least I know the squads work as intended!

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Maybe someday I make a third one. But not today

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Thank you for your time man, I'll come back if I ever need help!

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Have a gnight

sleek cove
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u too, u did a lot of work. good night!

hoary spruce
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@sleek cove

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Both teams have been really fire with good amounts of Success Lately!

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Even Red Alert is Impressing me

hoary spruce
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With these two made, I say it's time for a Team 3!

willow flower
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2nd pic

hoary spruce
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I'm saying both of them cook, showing off who I have

hoary spruce
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I have all 4*s bur Wreck Gar and Overload

sleek cove
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Gonna have to get back to you tmrw after the newest hot fix is released cos I'm unsure of a few bot's viability till then

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Do you already have some bots in mind?

hoary spruce
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I originally wanted to center a Team around Inferno, but he isn't even invested at all

sleek cove
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alright then in the meantime, i think we gotta establish the medic. whos ur current strongest 4s medic?

hoary spruce
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Ratchet

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I originally wanted to do first aid with stripes, But I don't have his Gmetal G1

sleek cove
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What's ratchet's build?

boreal berry
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Apologies, I don't have a day off to read all this. So I will give a quick tip now,
Add rust dust / scavenger to your squad
His ability range and area damage is incomparable, it is more than twice as good as the next area damaging bot and costs much less

Personally, he is more broken than Leo before the balance changes

hoary spruce
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But otherwise yeah I agree. She's currently being worked on alongside First aid as we speak

hoary spruce
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@sleek cove new bot