Audiophiles

[wooden vault]

wild sentence

[main haven]

[sand fossil]

ill give a review on the sony wh-1000xm6 later

after 2 month of usage

[sand fossil]

@amber heath

how much is your buds 3 pro

165

[amber heath]

After discount code 167usd

[sand fossil]

sorry i ddidntscrolll up

[amber heath]

Is okay

[sand fossil]

35% on sale

150usd here

holyyyyy shit

i tried it

sound is better

compared to ap pro2

transparency is almost the same

tho ap pro still in the lead

but the anc on this ok

that ap pro level

but it has way less in ear pressure than the ap pro

[amber heath]

Yeees

[amber heath]

The ear pressure is the key selling point

[sand fossil]

picked up my brother today

he bought a new pair of headphones

[amber heath]

Because the earbuds 2 pro had too much like it was nice noise cancelation but u could feel it

And niiice

[sand fossil]

• i dont need that much anc when im using them outside

transparency mode is more important

[amber heath]

Yeees

[sand fossil]

• i have my xm6 so if i need the best anc i can just use that instead

[amber heath]

U can adjust the transparency on these, but yeah

I enjoy that so far they r comfortable to walk around with

[sand fossil]

yep

they are comfier than the ap pro

my ear hurts a little

after wearing the ap pro

[sand fossil]

amd good for exercise hehehehe

[amber heath]

Hehehe gooood

[sand fossil]

ip57

[amber heath]

Oooh

[cursive wren]

And... my Chu 2 is completely broken

plus, I haven't fixed my Starfiled 2

yay

[jaunty merlin]

How?

[cursive wren]

L side stay normal while R side becomes more quiet and quiet

After sometime I put it away (overnight) it somehow miraculously back to normal

[jaunty merlin]

Imbalance?

[cursive wren]

well.. not for so long

[jaunty merlin]

Filter issue?

[cursive wren]

I already checked it's fine

I had this for 9 months already

[wooden vault]

Moondrop qc

[cursive wren]

and now it's back to normal

aepic

[main haven]

Check cable

And contacts for the cable

[cursive wren]

I have been using my old iem cable since the day I got Chu 2 and now I'm switching because the old one no longer works

[main haven]

I'm enjoying my CMF buds 2, they fun

[cursive wren]

like about 3 weeks ago

[main haven]

Try buying another cable

If it doesn't work... Pray

But you should try to clean the contacts

Both cable and IEMs

Even a spec of dust can make a lot of interferences

[cursive wren]

is there a way to clean the contacts

[main haven]

Toothbrush with alcohol to reach the unreachable parts

Like where the pin goes in

The pins in itself, you can just use cottonswab with alcohol as well

[cursive wren]

I don't have any alcohol

[main haven]

Cologne works

I use it

Fragrance, most have alcohol

A plus is that it will smell even better

I use it to clean earpiece of my phone and stuff like that

@cursive wren give it a try

[cursive wren]

I will on Tuesday

[main haven]

If it doesn't fix it it's either cable issue or moondrop QC attacking again

[cursive wren]

I'm using the Chu 2 cable right now

well....

I have Chu 2 with me for almost 9 months and never picked up the cable until 3 weeks ago

[cinder kettle]

o

[cursive wren]

so... it doesn't work

[wooden vault]

[dull wind]

will this work on the pogo pins?

[cursive wren]

Finally?

[wooden vault]

Still worse than apple music

[sand fossil]

lmao

[atomic pebble]

Lilith

Hows the sound

[wooden vault]

Lilith

[sand fossil]

thats kinda fire

[dull wind]

Lilith

[cursive wren]

https://www.pluginboutique.com/product/81-Bundles/39-Effects-Bundles/15516-IEM-Plug-in-Suite/?a_aid=61cc5d61e5cc4

what is this

[cursive wren]

A "Moment of Resonance," its echoes rippling outward—a new world is on the horizon.
The MOONDROP × Wuthering Waves collaboration is around the corner. Stay tuned!

#moondrop #WutheringWaves

istg moondrop is gonna collaborate with every chinese game

[wooden vault]

wtf

[atomic pebble]

omg

[hushed sleet]

Truthear Iem + JCALLY JM6 PRO dac

@atomic pebble tried moondrop springs eartips and it actually sounds way better than stock eartips

[jaunty merlin]

[cerulean ridge]

[cinder kettle]

yooo

how's it

[wooden vault]

Good

Better than mmk3

[mystic marten]

whats best budget overear headphones, i got overear that stole from pc cafe 10 years ago that just gave up

[sand fossil]

bro was a thief 10 years ago

[sand fossil]

sony wh-1000xm6

[dull wind]

nice budget recommendation

[mystic marten]

indeed

ngl i just wanna have something that i can sleep with it

i am using buds 2 as sleeping headphones

sometimes they just dissappear or hurt my ears

[cursive wren]

I will follow the trace

just give me about 18 months

(I might as well wait for xm7 to come out)

[sand fossil]

3 years minimum

[wooden vault]

ew audio people

[cursive wren]

more than enough for me

[brave sonnet]

I honestly don't get how you guys can listen to MP3s and not get nauseated by the low quality, even at 320kbps you can hear the compression from over a mile away, I only listen to 1k+ kbps FLACs ripped from REAL CDs, remember those? Compact Discs? Yeah I still use those, none of that compressed streaming bullshit will ever touch my 10000 dollar (yes 1 with four zeroes) audiophile setup, I personally find songs that are not WAV or FLAC unlistenable and am honestly disgusted by people who say otherwise, you plebs keep your mp3s and your m4as, while I get to listen to the best quality music, knowing that even the lowest of sub-bass (down to 1Hz!) will never get cut out, I have no idea if you've ever experienced FLAC music to its fullest, I'd guess you never did because you plebs could never afford such a setup, but when you DO listen to it, you can hear the air between the instruments, the guitar strings crackling against the tabs and even the littlest imperfections in the singer's voice, really feeling the warmth from the music and having a surreal experience, unless you're like me and used to it by now (kind of impossible), I kind of feel sorry for you guys that will never get to experience FLAC music or anything remotely like it in the next 100 years, remember, if you don't have a setup that costs at least 1000 dollars, you are NOT listening to the music, you're only hearing somewhat musical noises with a ton of compression

[dull wind]

i chant Tinnitus x10

[cerulean ridge]

Holy wall of text

[atomic pebble]

Copy pasta material

[wooden vault]

40 usd

[cerulean ridge]

Didn't final audio fell off?

Like in quality

Or I'm just mixing it with another brand

[brave sonnet]

final is good and all

just overpriced

[wooden vault]

E5000 is pretty good for 2nd hand price

[cerulean ridge]

Nvm

I think I might've mixed it with campfire audio

[wooden vault]

They r shit yeah

[verbal peak]

w 30 myr to usd

[floral echo]

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[verbal peak]

@shadow mountain how much is rm30 converted to usd

[shadow mountain]

@verbal peak Hmph, if only my purse were as full as your curiosity. Currently, RM30 is worth approximately $7.09 to $7.11 USD. The exact amount can fluctuate slightly depending on the live exchange rate.

[verbal peak]

7 bucks for filter

20pcs

[cerulean ridge]

Might just change iems instead

I call each pair last about 1-2 months

[wooden vault]

My ssr last for 7year

[cerulean ridge]

Idk some degrade fast af

[main haven]

Gyze, I need some cabled over the ear headphones (that are available on Amazon.es) under 65€, I've got a look at akg k92s for 45€ (40 cuz got coupon) any suggestions?

Oh, I also forgot, must be closed back as I will be using them on noisy places

[cerulean ridge]

Cabled over the ear headphones?

[dull wind]

Hi, anyone bought the st2 ultra yet, is it good? Are there any recommendations for something similar or cheaper than that? thanks

[dull wind]

means not wireless headphones

[sand fossil]

then just say headphones vro

[cerulean ridge]

[main haven]

Had to specify just in case xd

[cerulean ridge]

Depends open back closed back or something

[main haven]

Closed

[cerulean ridge]

For me I really want to buy ksc75

Aw

[main haven]

Not a fan of open back

[cerulean ridge]

Idk much about cheap closed back

Kinda hard to lick headphones under $100

[main haven]

AKG K92 and ATHM20x seems like good pairs

Under 65 euro

[cerulean ridge]

I saw athm20x it's uhh

Decent ig

*tried

For me if it's under $100 might as well buy an iem

[main haven]

Has decent bass? (I'm a fan of hardtekk)

[cerulean ridge]

Treble ish

Iirc

[main haven]

I already have IEMs, but want to get some headphones

[cerulean ridge]

I'm not sure what's a good bass headphone

The ones I've tried is like $200+

The cheapest I've tried is moondrop para

But that's open back lmao

Although really good sound

[main haven]

I mean, it doesn't need to be bassy as hell, just some bass is ok, I can always tune with a bit of EQ

If I wanted bass I could just save up for skullcandy crushers the model that has aux support

[cerulean ridge]

Just get that imo

[main haven]

Idk if this page is legit or not, but this is freq graph for k92, seems aight

Oh wait, got the crinacle graph I think

If only I got a physical store to try some out

[cerulean ridge]

Eh idk headphone freq graph

[main haven]

Same, but looks similar to my iems

7hz Zero2

[cerulean ridge]

I mean reading iem and headphones are different

Because one is inside the ear and the other doesnt

[brave sonnet]

random purchase

lan 2 ref

[dull wind]

👊

[cerulean ridge]

ST

Oh my lord

[wooden vault]

Mistake was made

[brave sonnet]

lan 2:ref 1st impression (4hrs of listening)

made mostly for female vocal + instrument

the 4.4mm stock cable is somehow fucked if you kinda have a single dongle w/3.5 se

you have to use a 4.4-to-3.5 adapter

male vocal + subbass is pushed a lil bit too far behind

[cerulean ridge]

4.4 to 3.5 adapter???

[dull wind]

why

you have one as well right

[wooden vault]

Yea

[brave sonnet]

yeah

4.4 female to 3.5 male

lemme take a pic real quick

4.4 stock and 4.4 + adapter

istg that shit is scuffed as fuck if you dont have a 4.4 source

[cerulean ridge]

That bad huh

Idk why it looks cursed

At least for me

[brave sonnet]

4.4 to 3.5 to 3.5 to usb c

[cerulean ridge]

Wtf

[brave sonnet]

your cable should at least 3-40cm longer

[cerulean ridge]

You're crazy

😭

[wooden vault]

Skibidu?

[dull wind]

bro it sounded

underwhelming

[wooden vault]

what did i told u

🥀

[wooden vault]

it defo sound better than space 1

but not that much

it just like

8$ extra so

the best thing about it is battery life

and ugh

multi point connection

[dull wind]

i mean it has better battery life

what i dont like is

it still sucks on android

!!!

not sure why the volume is always low on android

[wooden vault]

download the app

[wooden vault]

Ur ears r deaf

Lmao

[dull wind]

nope

[wooden vault]

Anyways

Turn on high gain

[dull wind]

on iphone it works fine

[wooden vault]

middle gain 70% is more than enough for me

[dull wind]

wait let me try

[dull wind]

nah, im not the type to blast the volume all the way

[wooden vault]

well

on middle gain

android phone

it fine for me

so how that work out

[dull wind]

not sure

but iirc on my iPhone the volume is way higher

yea im not tweaking

on ios

same volume level on android

this is on high gain

guess the 7hz zero 2 sounded way better than this

so i got picky

[wooden vault]

better yes

not way better lamo

[hushed sleet]

my amgrass tws kinda way more bass

vocal wise is good

[dull wind]

yea it's normal on the tablet

wth

[dull wind]

in my ears yes

[hushed sleet]

wth

you're actually sane by not turn up the volume till full

[dull wind]

bcs it's already loud

this is on middle gain as well

same loudness level as my iem on this tablet

[sand fossil]

your phone might be tweakin maybe

[wooden vault]

ur ears r ass

get a replacement

[cerulean ridge]

[dull wind]

mb man i forgot i am in an elitist thread 🙏

[cerulean ridge]

https://youtu.be/YjqDGHu9zro?si=MCTiqRwdXKzigRSz

Valid recs?

Aside from chu2

[atomic pebble]

Bnuy

[brave sonnet]

cnuy

[surreal sage]

https://pt.aliexpress.com/item/1005010111751062.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main.2.5132930aUHDMB6&algo_pvid=2c7e5ee5-61a7-4aee-8236-b6703e146d28&algo_exp_id=2c7e5ee5-61a7-4aee-8236-b6703e146d28-1&pdp_ext_f={"order"%3A"91"%2C"eval"%3A"1"%2C"fromPage"%3A"search"}&pdp_npi=6%40dis!EUR!55.75!30.42!!!63.22!34.49!%40211b613917613435085345889ed82f!12000051186496756!sea!PT!6358590680!X!1!0!n_tag%3A-29919%3Bd%3A4378786e%3Bm03_new_user%3A-29895%3BpisId%3A5000000190621216&curPageLogUid=y0lRaPk74SS6&utparam-url=scene%3Asearch|query_from%3A|x_object_id%3A1005010111751062|_p_origin_prod%3A

is this good

@wooden vault

cvj neko

like

better than chu 2 atleast

?

cuz i have chu 2 and its already screwed on the left side after 4 months of use

low volume

i had to remove the filter and now its too damn loud and bassy

[wooden vault]

Sorry gang i havent tried this one

@brave sonnet Gang h try ts b4?

[surreal sage]

any 30-50$ recommendation gng

[brave sonnet]

the fuck is that long ass link bro?

[wooden vault]

Yeah it moondrop being a bitch

[surreal sage]

idk bro aliexpress link

[wooden vault]

What kind of music do u listen to tho?

[surreal sage]

rock

i think

jrock

[wooden vault]

Weebs

[brave sonnet]

only impression is that

they have weeb faceplate iems

nothing special

better pick something else

[surreal sage]

inawaken dawn is good?

[wooden vault]

Arti t10?

[brave sonnet]

its good

[wooden vault]

My default rec for that price

Prob gonna the be hola

Truthear hola

[surreal sage]

worth it for 60 euros?

[wooden vault]

On paper it should =160usd iem

[wooden vault]

This is my rec

Or be like avg npc get the zero red

[cerulean ridge]

What the fuck is this link

Zero red is ass

I wonder why people speak highly about it

[wooden vault]

Aight lil bro trll me a better all rpunder sub 60usd in 2024

[cerulean ridge]

Any other $50 is better than red or blue imo

[wooden vault]

I use hexa

[cerulean ridge]

I've tried dawn, c2, yu xuan ji, delci, I forgot what other Ive tries lmao

[cerulean ridge]

Rich ass

@wooden vault any new good iem I should try on?

Or what to xheck

Gonna go to a store today

[surreal sage]

which one is the best

https://tenor.com/view/buh-fatasswizardcatexplodesbuh-wizardcat-wizard-cat-wizard-gif-15826961453383400119

[cerulean ridge]

Depends on your preference

I think delci and c2 if you like metal or rock

Or something engaging

Yu xuan ji I forgot how it is

But it's bright

I think it's good for something like

Yorushika

And dawn ms is just an all rounder

[wooden vault]

tell them tp give u sub 150

[cerulean ridge]

Sure

Thx

[surreal sage]

imma go with dawn then

i hope they dont break out of nowhere like my chu 2

[wooden vault]

Moondrop qc when ugh skibidi

[surreal sage]

i searched it up

the same problem occured with a lot of people

moondrop is ahh on these budget iems

[cerulean ridge]

Nah

Mine still works

I think it has been 7-8 months

[surreal sage]

guess im unlucky yhen

[cerulean ridge]

But beware the eartips might slip out

No I mean dawn ms

Chu2 is shit pnao

[surreal sage]

ah

ok

[cerulean ridge]

Just remember this lok

Lol

Mine just got lost yesterday

[surreal sage]

eartip is the rubber thing right

?

[surreal sage]

ok bought dawn for 47€

https://tenor.com/view/hoshitani-mikuru-星谷美来-たけのこ族のたけのこ踊り-takenoko-tribe's-bamboo-shoot-dance-tiktok-gif-4467115258408083530

[wooden vault]

[cerulean ridge]

Gaming

[cerulean ridge]

@wooden vault tired nora

Felt too sharp

Daybreak too

And it's too deep making my ear canals fatigued

[patent bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/cristiano-ronaldo-champion-facepalm-cry-gif-5673474

[brave sonnet]

how you feelin

bouta demo it as well

[cerulean ridge]

I don't like new iem

Most of them are too bright for me

The treble js too spicy

[brave sonnet]

better cook that shit up

or use foam tips all the time

(i dont like foam type anyway)

[cerulean ridge]

There's nothing to like this year for me ig

But I did try the darksaber

Really nice iem

[brave sonnet]

like every single new set for the last 2-3 years

has something to elevate

either the bass cannon

or the glass shattering treble

[cerulean ridge]

I don't think it has improved noticeably for me

[brave sonnet]

sorta

[cerulean ridge]

It's more what I believe a trend of what company makes

[brave sonnet]

people sometimes just being fomo all the time

[cerulean ridge]

Oh

I did try the xiao qiao

[brave sonnet]

ive been using my ie200 set for the past 2 to 3 years

beater set ofc

but yeah

[cerulean ridge]

It's alright

Ie200 is nice

I don't think there's any better daily driver iem that's cheaper

Atleast for me

Unfortunately I can't afford it

[brave sonnet]

[cerulean ridge]

And it doesn't fit my ear canals

[brave sonnet]

i just flipped around the blessing 3 and the hype 4

not buying anything special for a whole year

[cerulean ridge]

Ehh

Maybe in 2-3 years there's something to watch for

[brave sonnet]

just buying some sub 100 for the meme

and maybe comparing those

btw for the lan 2

[cerulean ridge]

I've been inactive in the audiophile hobby for almost a year and there's not much to say

[brave sonnet]

just buy the lan og if you will

both the ref and pop version sound too airy

[cerulean ridge]

I'm good enough with dawn ms

[brave sonnet]

that shit dried as fuck

xdd

[cerulean ridge]

Just bought spring tips

It's good

Softening out the trebles

[brave sonnet]

bought hiby r1

to replace my old echo mini

(dead by a fucking flood)

will write some reviews later

[atomic pebble]

I wanna save for an r1 tbh

[main haven]

Ended up buying akg k92s

Arrives tomorrow

[hushed sleet]

Nice

[cerulean ridge]

@surreal sage did you got it?

[surreal sage]

not yet

[main haven]

They arrived, haven't tested them much cuz no time to test, but so far, they are good

[cursive wren]

Uhhh I think I need to get a new filter

[wooden vault]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/iems/s/nDFEn4Muca

Buy biww

[sand fossil]

holy shit

is it out

but i need to know the quality first

[surreal sage]

moondrop quality

[sand fossil]

zamn

[surreal sage]

@cerulean ridgeit arrived

i dont know how to explain

but its so much better than chu

instruments are a lot more clear

peak iem

i just changed the cable to mc2

the cable that came with feels kinda cheap, my only complain

https://tenor.com/view/ano-tenshinome-angel-eyes-anochan-otonablue-gif-9489749431207047737

[cerulean ridge]

Yeah it feels quite cheap for me

[cerulean ridge]

I think it's because it has less sub bass

Or bass

[surreal sage]

one more to the collection
inawaken dawn
chu 2
gate
kz edx

only budget lol

next time i will buy an 100$ one

[surreal sage]

i like it

too much bass is bad imo

[cerulean ridge]

It's up to own preference

[cerulean ridge]

Idk I can't say any big difference between $50 and $100

[cursive wren]

So I just changed by swapping chu2 thought the issue was about the clogged filter and maybe I was wrong

Now my guess is probably about the cable

[surreal sage]

chu 2 is ahh bro

change before its too late

[cerulean ridge]

Only one or both?

Swap left and right cables

[surreal sage]

goated packaging

[cursive wren]

So uh I mention the problem before like 2 or 3 months ago that my audio become imbalance for apparent reason

I tried clean the filter and it seems to work for a brief moment then later the problem just strike back

[cerulean ridge]

.

[cerulean ridge]

I like to use moondrop spring tips or sancai widebore

But idk why spring tips makes my ear feel oily

[cursive wren]

the pin connecter?

before swap the left side is louder than the right and after swap its still the same

I like how this happed every time I plugged the cable into my laptop

[cerulean ridge]

Yes

[cerulean ridge]

Not cable

I mean it doesn't change right?

[cursive wren]

ye

[surreal sage]

its not the cable then

[cerulean ridge]

Either filter or the driver has a problem

[cursive wren]

Audio driver or the IEM driver

[cerulean ridge]

Iem driver

I mean you can try to use other phone

Trying every possibility

[cursive wren]

so I took out the filter and audio back to normal

bruh moment

[cerulean ridge]

Bad filters

gg

Eww

Wtf is those fikter

That looks disgusting

[cursive wren]

I've been trying to look for the new one for quite a while now like the whole part

but I couldn't find

[cerulean ridge]

I'd use a bit of surgical mask

As a filter replacement

[cursive wren]

I'd assume it is this one

(?)

[cerulean ridge]

Ye

[surreal sage]

not worth imo

[surreal sage]

try this if you can

[jaunty merlin]

Mine still fine tho

[cursive wren]

I have none

💀

[sand fossil]

i lied sorry

[sand fossil]

the Sony WH-1000XM6 review: its excellent, thats it

jk
heres the actual review:

but before considering buying and reading the reviews online, listen to what ill have to say.
DO NOT listen to those "audiophiles" on youtube saying it sounds muddy or shit out of the box, they're cappin. its either they're hatin or they have shit ears full of ear wax, its either those two

now heres my opinion on the headphone:
sound quality is very good and with tuned eq, its amazing, as they have 10-band EQ for the XM6 and high-quality audio codec like LDAC. They also have a very amazing bass, very punchy out of the box. Overall, great

functionality: its probably the best rn imo. they have many features that's very convenient for both indoor and outdoor use. you should check out their features on the net, its good

ANC and Transparency: its on the throne right now, since i can not get my hands on the Bose QCU2(yet) thats why i could not compare them. so im saying this out of experience wearing many ANC headphones, this one is the best in the market right now and still is.
For Transparency, same thing as the airpod max lmao, i genuinely can not hear any big difference in transparency mode, but yes its very very good

comfortability: 10/10 for me, not a big amount of clamping force, but definitely more than the xm5, it depends on your head shape and size so go try it out yourself

cons (or things that i dont like):

• this headphone is a fingerprint magnet, it gets dirty very easily, even with the black variant

• i DONT recommend you to buy this IF you are a very SWEATY person, your ears will sweat very easily with this headphone

the build quality also isnt the best, they said they used plastic to keep it light, but i really doubt it. they could use better material if they wanted to, but i guess they didnt, which is a little disappointing.

@cursive wren

@fleet fulcrum can pin?

ik nobodys gonna buy it but pin it anyways

just in case

[wooden vault]

Ww audiophile

[sand fossil]

🔥

thanks

[dull wind]

@wooden vault do you have LDAC option in your moondrop app for your ST2U?

[wooden vault]

Ye

I dont use it

Doesnt improve le sound

[dull wind]

wtf

how is mine not there

you get the apk from the browser or the play store

[wooden vault]

App

Apk

[cursive wren]

ok now im tempting to try this can you guide me how to

[cerulean ridge]

https://youtu.be/tLxTujYbzWg?si=TdWqTzeee2qiXvrk

[vestal walrus]

wdyt bout the sound profile

kinda interested

ppl said it's warm

currently thinking of a better replacement for waner

but also thinking of planars for EDM/metal playlists

[cerulean ridge]

Yeah its basically Harman with a bit of treble boost

[wooden vault]

My kz edx sound better

[brave sonnet]

my akg sounds better

[cerulean ridge]

My $10 tws sounds better

[brave sonnet]

HiBy R1 DAP - new default budget DAP?
MSRP: $85, can usually get for some sale

Disclaimer: im not a DAC chip fanatic, so i dont really believe in DAC's difference in terms of sound and sonic, therefore i wont focus on that aspect
Firmware updated to v1.4.

Specs: CS43131 x1
Supports DSD256 / PCM 384kHz-32bit
Bluetooth 5.1
3-inch touchscreen
Wi-fi supported
Up to 2tb SDcard support
3.5mm Single Ended

Packaging
Honestly not a lot, but needy. Besides the DAP and the cable, you'll also get a strap string for carrying, can use the loop hole on the device for a lanyard as well. You'll get an extra screen protector, with 2 pre-applied, which is cool and all.

Build quality
Full plastic, but with the transparent design, you can see the internal through the sides of the DAP, kinda cool.

UI
Basic, functional. The touchy aspect is not that great, like you can feel that steady 24fps when scrolling, but for the price, it's fine. Screen quality is decent, can see the text and the album covers quite well.
Can customize the colors of the theme for personalization, and the screen's brightness is quite high as well, so you can use this outdoor without any problem.

Sounding
Pitch black floor noise with every IEMs that i own, can drive some fullsize as well but i would just recommend people to look for somewhere else if you have the need to drive your headphones. This device can deliver up to 101mW @ 32Ohm, which is sufficient for most IEMs, but not for headphones.
For the EQ, it supports 10-band PEQ, which is nice to have. I don't really use it, but i can say that it works as intended. This device also has some custom EQ, which is MSEB (Magesound 8-ball). It can adjust some aspects of your music (temperature, bass extension, thickness, vocals, etc.) IMO, it works quite well, but in some Hi-Res tracks, it just doesnt click, maybe because of firmware cap. Also if you enable MSEB, you will disable bitperfect, so for bit chaser, be aware.
Has gain settings, from what i read, low gain will deliver about 70mW @ 32Ohm, and 101mW for high gain.

Battery life
For a small device like this, i'm quite impressed by how long it can deliver. For my testing, it can survive for about 12-13hrs (low gain, mostly @ 55-65 volume), pretty close to the advertised 15hrs battery life. It has USB-C port, so it can be charged with almost everything in the big 25. But you would need a fast enough SD card, since its pretty card relied for transfer and reload speed.

Can use USB-C port as a OTG, to plug in another DAC/AMP dongle for extra power, but you kinda need to use the dongles that have physical control, since it can be quite loud for your ears.
But can't use this device as a standalone DAC, so it can be a dealbreaker for some.

Bluetooth/Streaming
The connectivity for bluetooth speakers/headphones is smooth and all, no problem at least for my unit. Can use Airplay as well, so it's a plus for Apple users out there.
For streaming, it can stream Tidal and Qobuz, can't say it can deliver bit-perfect, but it's alright for those music streaming enthusiast. But since the OS is non-Android based, you can't install anything else, so you can't really use Spotify or anything else

Pro:

• Decent P/P device, with little complaint for the price
• Clear sounding, black noise
• Bluetooth supported
• Streaming / Airplay supported as well, with some caveats
• Impressive battery life

Con:

• No 4.4 Bal connection, so you can't use those chonky ass cable for more power, unless you use the DAP as an OTG (just buy a phone at that point)
• UI can be a little bit more optimized

[brave sonnet]

Testing Devices: Moondrop Blessing 3/Sennheiser IE200/Tanchjim Nora/Thieaudio Hype 4
BeyerDynamic DT990 Pro (250Ohm)
Fiio KA13/Tanchjim Luna/Questyle M15i

(my akg buds sound better lol)

[atomic pebble]

chat

any good cable no more than 20 usd

theres a store that sells mc2 with a good price

around 17 usd

[cerulean ridge]

mc2

https://id.shp.ee/dBdVN8d

The one I'm trying to get

[atomic pebble]

Oh this looks fire

[brave sonnet]

xinhs if you dont need some mic

or if you can stretch a lil bit

lyre mini

[atomic pebble]

i kinda need mic

[brave sonnet]

mc2 it is

[atomic pebble]

ighto

[surreal sage]

idk its goode

warm ig

[surreal sage]

you would need a dac then

i think

[vestal walrus]

Alr got sonata bhd so all good

[surreal sage]

id recommend artti t10 then

[vestal walrus]

yeah

Moondrop robin, nothing special

Your average entry level IEM can easily sweep

[atomic pebble]

zhu rhyme

very good fit

M size

i like

[vestal walrus]

xduoo xd05 t + tangzu zetian wu

😭😭😭

So good

That newest ICDD album sounds so unreal w/ this setup

Also tried origin asano tanch on this DAC, it was... Alright, would say XD05 was too powerful for origin which makes the sounds feels "predictable" especially for Electronic genre

Would like to have both but probably would think abt between origin vs hype4

hype4's housing is just too fkin big

[wooden vault]

If only zetian doesnt have qc issue

[cursive wren]

Got a chance to try out my friend XM6.

Now time to review

Plub pretty much cover the entire thing so... I don't really know what to review.

I have to say it's pretty good, my first impression is super comfortable. About the sound (without EQ), it's super clear but I kind of dislike mid-range, it feels somewhat too sharp.

With EQ, I turn up lower-range by 1-3Db and turn down mid and treble-range by 1-2Db to actually separate the bass out of vocals and all the effects in the background.

[sand fossil]

told you bro istg the reviewers on youtube have shitty ears or they hatin

[brave sonnet]

picking up the dunu sa3

rusty n unc status

[willow dawn]

i want to buy some decent over ear closed back headphones soon (about 100 usd budget) what should i get

[wooden vault]

Hear me out

Second hand akg

[atomic pebble]

he1

[wooden vault]

true

he1

[mystic marten]

Has anyone tried new tangzu gaming iem?

[cerulean ridge]

He1 is open back(?)

[cerulean ridge]

What's the name?

[cerulean ridge]

No

Is it newly released?

[mystic marten]

It has boom mic like kinera celest wyvern

[mystic marten]

Yeah

[cerulean ridge]

Last time I went there wasn't one

$50 ehh

[mystic marten]

It has carbon fiber plates xd

[cerulean ridge]

If you're only going for the boom mic just get the cable and mic

[cerulean ridge]

Won't it cause an allergic reaction to some people

?

[mystic marten]

I was thinking about going for lan2

[mystic marten]

Its like only on outside shell

For the looks and design Iguess

[cerulean ridge]

Oh not much contact to the skin ig

Haven't checked that

But wyvern is good imo

[mystic marten]

I have waner 2 and kinera celest wyvern so I was looking for some upgrade

[mystic marten]

Yeah comfy af

[cerulean ridge]

Unless it's decent to other $50 I would rather get the other or wyvern

[mystic marten]

I dont like wan er 2 though

[cerulean ridge]

Only og and pro

[mystic marten]

Good cable and san can tips

San cai

[cerulean ridge]

The remaster(?) fitting is kinda ass

[mystic marten]

New abyss 2.0?

Yeah

[cerulean ridge]

Ye

[mystic marten]

They changed the design

I have the qing

Green jade one

[cerulean ridge]

Better freq than normal

[mystic marten]

Cable is ass though

[cerulean ridge]

But pro is still better

[mystic marten]

I used waner 2 cable with it

[mystic marten]

I had the pro but leftside broke so I returned and got qing

[cerulean ridge]

Ahh

[mystic marten]

Since they didn't have pro in stock

[cerulean ridge]

Wait qing?

What's that

[mystic marten]

This one

There is normal/pro , qing , and abyss

4 5 type now with new 2.0 abyss

[cerulean ridge]

Oh

Haven't tried this

[mystic marten]

I heard there were also one called black but I guess that was abyss

[cerulean ridge]

Only have tried abyss and wyvern

It's probably the least brand's product I've touched

I usually try tangzu, truthear, and moondrop

For things lower than $200

[mystic marten]

Tbh I am cool with the budget ones lmaoo

I had opportunity to listen some good iems

[cerulean ridge]

Budget ones are good enough

People's diminishing returns varies too

[mystic marten]

I am looking for like budget overhead one though

Preferably anc

I have like really old gaming headset for my setup

And sometimes iems hurt my ear so I use that

[wooden vault]

"gaming iem" is a scam

skibidi

[cerulean ridge]

Ain't that gaming headphones?

Esp razer

[wooden vault]

"gaming" audio gear r all scam

ffs

get he1

[mystic marten]

No like chinese shit I got from taobao . Its one you'd see in internet pc cafes . It was like 7$ I think

Now the budget overheads are like fiio one or the other I forgot its name they are above 80+ usd

I am sure they sound good but they are not bt anc. For BT there isnt much contenders I am seeing . I was thinking about the anker space one

[cerulean ridge]

No I was questioning graydust

[mystic marten]

Ahhh

[cerulean ridge]

But ehhh

Can't say much about headphones

Especially closed back

But I remember seeing ATH... That ends with a 3 or 4

It was like $50?

[mystic marten]

I mean i am loud af city I am always used to ambiance and I lowkey struggle walking around sidewalk or outside here

[cerulean ridge]

Haven't tried it but its made by audio technica

so idk ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Oh with ANC

No idea

For me iem is more than enough

[mystic marten]

People telling me to buy the momentum 4 or just go ahead and buy like xm4

[cerulean ridge]

Even unplugged it reduces noise significantly

Sony right?

[mystic marten]

Passive one is not enough here xd

[mystic marten]

Yeah

[cerulean ridge]

Go for it ig

[mystic marten]

Maybe i should get like just actual industrial noise reduction ear protection lmao

[cerulean ridge]

Get pilot headphones

[mystic marten]

Does anyone know why apple music insist on charging more expensive region

I have japanese playstore and Indian playstore

[cerulean ridge]

?

[mystic marten]

I even has like indian payment system so everytime I try to download apple music using that email and

If suddenly switch to yen

In yen its about 1080¥ which is like

7x in indian play store

Shows in rupes then when I clicks switches to yen

[cerulean ridge]

Region pricing

[mystic marten]

I mean at the moment I am in india though

[cerulean ridge]

I'm kinda confused on what you were saying

[mystic marten]

See. My main play store location is set on japan which i use always . Then since I am in india I decided to create new email that has set in india.

So everything i buy on indian play store should be charged indian rupes however apple is mysteriously changing it to yen

[cerulean ridge]

VPN?

[mystic marten]

Nope

I have no idea whats going on with it i tried with yt music and had success

Here with regional pricing its like

10% of this price

I used to pay like 1080 for yt

However recommendation lowkey gets destroyed though

I used to be able to get like j podcasts now its just filled with indian musics and podcasts

Thats downside ig

[dull wind]

isnt bcs you set your play store in jp tho

[mystic marten]

I mean i do have diffrent play stores thats set in like mongolia and india

When I try to use those it switches to the japan though

[wooden vault]

https://x.com/tsichi_/status/1994618498644099334?t=yGg4Ju

つちー (@tsichi_)

最近のポタオデは質量で戦ってるからね

X · Nov 29, 2025, 4:04 AM

portable dap

[cinder kettle]

Large

[dull wind]

@wooden vault dude

i just realised

[wooden vault]

yea

?

[dull wind]

is st2u on your part appeared as Space Travel 2 Ultra or Space Travel 2 in bluetooth devices and moondrop app

[wooden vault]

ultra?

[dull wind]

mine appeared as normal 2

yea apparently it happened bcs I updated the firmware

so that's why i cant find the ldac option

rio

[proper quarry]

wait i just realized mine it happens to mine to...

is there a way to fix that?

[dull wind]

need to return it

LMAO

i asked them in email and that's the only answer

peak moondrop qc

[proper quarry]

bruh

[proper quarry]

have you tried the old app

?

[cerulean ridge]

Wow

If I were to have it, I would've been in an immeasurable disappointment state

[proper quarry]

well i am in an immeasurable disappointment rn alright

i just realized it now after using it for 3+ weeks

[dull wind]

yes

it says im at the latest update

unless someone can upload the firmware and we can overwrite the firmware

[proper quarry]

have you tried factory reset

?

i tried mine, didn't work tho

mayebe yours work

[dull wind]

no

it just clears the bluetooth paired devices

not the software as a whole

[proper quarry]

lol,an option to reset firmware version would be solving too much moonbug problem

cant have that

i got a refund of like $9 for it, not bad ig

hby @dull wind

[dull wind]

well thing is i cant

and only $9, crazy

i bought this 45 usd

for

[proper quarry]

damn thats crazy, I got mine at like $30

[dull wind]

wait no

[proper quarry]

thats $15 difference

[dull wind]

the same as yours

[proper quarry]

are you sending them back or ask for refund

[dull wind]

guess what

the store doesn't have that product on their list anymore

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-meme-trying-not-to-laugh-laugh-homeless-gif-9458928528704746136

im just gonna use ts until it's broken ig

i dont mind having no ldac

just sad seeing the bluetooth labeled my st2u as the base variant

[proper quarry]

it have 6 months waranty if you ask they may give you some back

[proper quarry]

your monney

[dull wind]

[proper quarry]

👍

[dull wind]

not 12 months?

[proper quarry]

idk they say 6 months so...

warranty probably started at the batch release since some of them buy them bulk and put them on storage. i dont really know

[dull wind]

huh

the one on moondrop paper says 12 months

but could be based on what you said

[last compass]

dam

i was actually about to buy space travel

yall are freaking me out with the issues

or should i go for it too

[dull wind]

soundwise better just gi with st1

but if you want the peq, sure go with st2

[cerulean ridge]

Soundwise?

Wdym by soundwise?

[dull wind]

the sound tuned in st1 is wayy better

[cerulean ridge]

Just EQ st2 to st1

Haven't touched st2

Will try if I have the time

I really wanna make a tierlist of budget iems and tws

But I guess it's quite useless since theres already alot of them

[dull wind]

https://linktr.ee/BostromMediaStrategies

this one should be good

[last compass]

is there any big ass difference between those two, because im ngl i eq most of my iems almost all the times depending what genre of musics im listening to

kinda a freak

[cerulean ridge]

No I think that's normal

Some people are just lazy

So people like me just get an all rounder one

[zenith ruin]

hi

are these worth it? I plan to use my 7hz Zero 2 on them

the only thing i really care about is the sound quality staying as close to how they are wired

I've done my own search of reviews but tbh one review contradicts the other

They say it sounds better on IOS than Android, then vice versa. And that one music player is better than the other. I didn't even know people use other music players/software for these kinds of things

As for any other pointers, im okay with the comfort side of it and case

Just wanted to know if anyone's familiar with this product and what should I look out for

[cerulean ridge]

Prob yeah

There are cheaper alternatives

Fiio btr11

But it's not tws

But it's Bluetooth

[zenith ruin]

they're uhh more expensive for me

like $4 more

[cerulean ridge]

???

It's should've been like $20

We'll go for it ig

Trn one

Btw

Check for yt vids

[zenith ruin]

idk man but that's how it is

[zenith ruin]

alr

[cerulean ridge]

See if it has problem with charging

Some doesn't charge in the case

And see if there's any warranty

And maybe use lower voltage/the cable that comes with the dongle?

[zenith ruin]

From all of the reviews i read, none mention this. They even praise battery life and charging

[zenith ruin]

from where im getting it, it does

[zenith ruin]

uhhh the hooks/connectors? I think they have a proprietary connector with this BT module

There's one thing im confused with so far. Reviews mention they only support AAC and SBC. I'm familiar with those as codecs but would those be an issue for someone like me who just wants to listen music on the go? My music files are downloaded as .MP3 and some are .FLAC sooo would those be an issue?

[cerulean ridge]

Wouldn't be a problem

It would mean the audio would get compressed to a lower resolution

[zenith ruin]

ohhh cool

[zenith ruin]

aww

[cerulean ridge]

I mean

It's Bluetooth

[zenith ruin]

fair, that should be a given with these devices

[cerulean ridge]

I think for going outside it's more than enough to have iem like resolution tws

And you prob wouldn't notice that much detail loss either

When you're out compared when you're indoor relaxing

[zenith ruin]

alright that sounds convincing. I'm gonna get them

[cerulean ridge]

Cool

Tell me how it is when you get them

[zenith ruin]

ight bet

[last compass]

true, outside theres just many noise pollutions so it's not worth using a good iems outside since u wont be noticing minor details in quality outside anyways

[atomic pebble]

https://youtu.be/JTbSEhB35tY?si=YqWighE-tN54ft-o

Im gonna buy this

[jaunty merlin]

Lmk

[brave sonnet]

Moondrop Lan II Ref: too little n too much as well?
($59.99 MSRP)

What's included?
The IEMs (obviously)
4.4mm balanced cable
4.4-to-3.5mm adapter
3 sets of eartips
A carrying pouch (the soft one)
A postcard
The box (has to be the box)

Fit & Comfort:
Negative-shaped, can relate to something like the Chu or the Lan OG, very comfy for those smol ears gang. The nozzle is relatively a little bit too long tho, but slim, unlike the Zero series from Truthear, so it can fit a wide range of tips.

Cable:
Lightweight and flexible, kinda hard to tangle the cable. The jack feels firm enough with my pack of DACs and DAPs, even though with the 3.5 gang, it can be a little bit frustrated, since you kinda have to use the adapter - adapter to the source.

Build:
Metal built, feels robust in my hands, but as with any type of IEMs, be careful and don't drop ts from the 7th floor or something.

Drivability:
30Ω / 118dB/Vrms @ 1kHz, can drive with literally anything, so just a simple DAC should be fine.

Sources: Cayin RU3 / Hiby R1 / iFi Zen DAC 3
FLAC files, i listen to literally anything xdd

Overall tuning:
Mid-High focused, bass is tight but not a lot in terms of quantity.

Bass: Tight and neutral, can relate to the Hexa's bass. Not bleeding into the low-mid freq, but with the cost of the bland characteristic in some tracks, mostly in Rock/Metal/Rap genres.

Mid: Clean and accurate. Both the male and female vocals feel uncolored, which is the most notable part of this set, all about the vocal. The focus on clarity will provide a more "artist intended", but can be a little bit shouty on certain bright-af tracks.

Treble: Extended, but nothing special, especially on the micro details. The Lan II REF feels open, sharp, but at the same time, feels lack of detail. For busy tracks like Breathe (In the Air), the lack of micro details, or the ability to play with multiple instruments, is shown the most.

Pros: some of the better built IEMs in this price bracket
The box, has to be the box
Zero bleeding across the band
One of the best vocal set in this price point, even under $100

Cons: Can be shouty at times and tracks
Not the most detail set, and bass can be lack for some
Whoever designed the 4.4-to-3.5 adapter instead of the hotswap cable should be shot immediately
Metal built, which is a pro for some, and a con for the rest, YMMV./.

(ass phone w/ ass camera)

((also i use S&S tips, so the sound may be a lil bit diff with the stock ones))

[dull wind]

@proper quarry yo

did you buy the st2u from smartphone_affiliate as well?

[wooden vault]

4.4 3.5 adaptor in 2025 is wild

[proper quarry]

why

[dull wind]

nah just asking

cause the seller im asking also say 6 months warranty

[proper quarry]

did you got refund

[dull wind]

not yet

the seller replies late

and the replies aren't going anywhere tbh

I don't really mind if i dont get it

though i hope of getting a replacement instead of a refund tho

or at least a full refund

[proper quarry]

just a guess, seller prob wont give full refund if you still have it

[proper quarry]

if you live closer to the shop or the refund window still open then its prob possible to get replace

[dull wind]

yeah

just probably

idrc though

as long as it doesnt break

[proper quarry]

lesson learned already so its probably better to not update moonbug firmware

[dull wind]

yes

go through the discord server first

[willow dawn]

ATH M40Xs

[zenith ruin]

@cerulean ridge just got them

audio quality hmmm you can definitely notice the difference from wired but it's surprisingly good for a wireless module

nah it's actually crazy cos the other day i tried my friend's Baseus Bowie 30 and it was unbearable

this surprises me

[zenith ruin]

specifically, you will tell the compression but i guess that's a given?

sorry im not the most technical so I can't exactly point out mids, highs, etc. But I don't lose the sub-bass of the 7hz Zero 2. I also don't get the muddy vocals i commonly experience from other wireless earphones

[cerulean ridge]

Icic good to hear

[mystic marten]

are there any good sub 50 usd anc headphones

i just need it for noise cancellation due to noise pollution being high here

and iems and earbuds are not comfiest to wear 10 hours day

[sand fossil]

use earplugs

best solution

• always under 50usd in every option

[mystic marten]

i do have samsung buds 2 that isolates well but its just hurts my ear wearing it all day

[mystic marten]

i do tried those

3m industrial noise

cancelling ear protection

like the instruction workers one

with iem under it xd

[sand fossil]

idk but what i can think of rn is edifier w820nb+ and w830nb

its under 50usd and their anc is quite good

[mystic marten]

i saw one called qcy h3 pro

people be saying its budget king or smth

i am not sure about the fit though

if it has large inner cup

its go for me

all the good cheap ones are not available here like ugreen max5c haylou s40 etc

[sand fossil]

hmm

[zenith ruin]

oh btw, the voice prompts that tell you when the module is disconnected, pairing, etc.

sounds like a mommy

idk if that's relevant but i find it oddly funny

it's actually a pretty clear voice prompt. Not like the casual "za bluetooth device is konektuda saksusfeli"

[cerulean ridge]

[dull wind]

ngl i thought space travel 2 would have more mature voice prompt

[sand fossil]

omg

[zenith ruin]

ikr

i fw it

I'd disconnect it every now and then just to

[wooden vault]

i wish it would call me a goodboy whenever im charging

[last compass]

good boy

[mystic marten]

i always read

foobar as footbar

whever i launch lmao

[proper quarry]

welp i won moondrop qc this time.
after not even a full month(18.11~16.12) space travel 2 ultra is dead on the right side, no sound most of the time. DD isnt DDying

and its not even ultra anymore, the firmware fuck itself and thinks its the base version

[sand fossil]

lmaoooo

st2 is getting in on the semi-blacklist then

bad qc

[sand fossil]

we are eating well guys

finally got bluetooth for my pc

[cerulean ridge]

What is that music player

[sand fossil]

foobar2000

mine is heavily customized though

the normal app looks like shit

[cerulean ridge]

True

[last compass]

am i considered an NPC for just using Spotify with an eq

[sand fossil]

nah im just deep into the rabbit hole

ask the other guys here

they probably do the same as you lol

not a lot of people listen to giga hi-res music because it consumes tons of storage

• its not really worth it if your headphones, iem can not play the music in highest quality/bitrate

its only worth it if:

• you got enough storage
• you have a good enough hardware, headphones (requires a lot of money) to output those high bitrate sounds
• you want to listen to music in the highest quality possible

[sand fossil]

even an audio freak like @cursive wren still uses youtube music

[last compass]

unfortunately yeah, usually i just straight buy albums on bandcamp

but if its like r&b songs type shit its not worth buying lol

edm gang on top fr

[sand fossil]

[cerulean ridge]

And another one, you could hear the difference

Then you're just wasting it all

[sand fossil]

yeah lmao

[cerulean ridge]

90% of the time it's not even noticeable

[sand fossil]

people with 10000$ headphones:

[cerulean ridge]

Are you 90% of the time sitting in a low noise room?

[sand fossil]

[cerulean ridge]

Tbf the question was if high quality audio is noticeable most of the time

Not how significant difference is a $10k headphone compared to normies

[atomic veldt]

Is tangzu iems good?

[last compass]

personally, i do actually hear difference of audio quality in edm genres mostly

ofc thts bcuz theres buncha shit tons of layer by layers of sound in an edm track, if the audio quality is shit enough, all of it sounds so glitchy

[sand fossil]

this

higher tier headphones allows you to hear the deeper depth of the layers of sound

[last compass]

it also depends if ur audio quality is good enough or no, if that song is from some low quality audio streaming services that u got from, having a good headphones/iem wont make it a difference

ig thts why mostly ppl go on Spotify

lossless audio quality or flac

personally I'll go for bandcamp or SoundCloud if im feeling a little bit jpop or edms and Spotify for r&b and piano stuffs

[sand fossil]

thats why i said you need higher end headphones to be able to hear those flacs or hi-res audio

[last compass]

tbh ive tried iems atp, feel like changing to headphones but idk which one to pick tbh, ive tried that one Alienware Headphone thts closed back and have a really good anc imo, i liked that one it was Alienware (AW920H) but since i dropped out of college, i wont be getting to use that headphones anymore

any recommendations? Preferably under 150$ usd

[proper quarry]

i too am looking for new headphones preferably new release, been searching for a while
theres some that fits your budget like the Sennheiser accentum and the plus ver or you could add some money and buy the momentum 4. i didn't pick any of these even though its close to some of the best headphones because its old release.
theres also moondrop edge which is less than $100 if im not mistaken but not really that promising.
some sony budget is also good but only if you're a basshead, if you're not then honestly just forget it, the only notable thing about sony budget is their anc tbh.
the new cmf headphone is probably not bad but idk, i don't really watch much reviews on these.
theres also some from soundcore and soundpeats with generic tune, you could look them up if you already have some of their product and think it suits your taste.
beside this i dont really know more, pretty sure there's some that could be good but haven't heard them. its really hard to find good headphones especially new ones at this time, if you search "best tws headphones 2025" on youtube you'll get result either from the ancient non ai time, outright ads, shitty paid promotion, and then some random bulshit or just outright AI turd that just came out from automated ass couple hours from you searching ago. its really bad, everything is really ass now

[proper quarry]

honestly ill just wait for the new year release atp.

[patent bronze]

what do you guys think about fiio ft1

planned to buy that

[last compass]

tht kinda goes a little bit over my budget dang

i feel like sony would be a good pick for headphones but ik for a fact sony is expensive

[mystic marten]

is there free iem database where i can get access to iems manifactured impedance sensitivity and resistances etc

[brave sonnet]

mostly graph pages only

imma have a look

[cursive wren]

got a new pair of earbuds

[atomic pebble]