What phone to buy for osu!droid?

[sick knot]

better than 60, and its actually a good phone

at sub 150 bucks price point you kinda have to make concession

[pliant dagger]

yeah but guy said he needs 120hz so i respond

but overall its a very good phone

[sick knot]

it is what it is

[calm torrent]

its 100 bux??

[sick knot]

ask him not me

[worn sinew]

100 robux

[faint sequoia]

If you're still here, I got someone with the same device as you to test a client with an attempt to address this problem. They said it works, so if you want to try it, you can download the client below. Nevertheless, the attempt will make its way to the next update (1.7.3)

You can't access online features, but it's better than not being able to play properly

[worn osprey]

thats what i read at first glace

[rich dagger]

omg I have a oneplus and wow it has touch issues!!

and osudroid do not run on 120fps with it(it's 120hz)

also the oneplus I use is China exclusive so can't say that for every other oneplus phone

holy shit nvm guys I fixed it

I'm stupid

[torn dune]

ROG 8

[gusty shadow]

looking to buy a new phone sometime soon once my current one dies again, absolute max budget is around 500$, any recommendations?

[torn dune]

120hz minimum

[gusty shadow]

obviously

[torn dune]

not for everyone 😊

[gusty shadow]

for playing droid remotely seriously

its basically necessary now

[sick knot]

galaxy s23

[gusty shadow]

[sick knot]

coming from your resident gaming phone burnt-out

but for 500 bux,
if you are min-maxing performance, its xiaomi k70 pro

[gusty shadow]

honestly i dont need that much performance since the most demanding game im running is probably gonna be droid

so any good value mid-tier devices would also fit the bill

[sick knot]

pretty sure rog phone 7 goes around that price nowaday

and i can confirm, at least its good

but yea for 500 bux look for snap 8 gen 2 or snap 8s gen 3

for droid, 165Hz is reachable

[gusty shadow]

its about twice that msrp here

💀

[sick knot]

you sure its not the ultimate model?

[gusty shadow]

basically every local New listing i can find has it around 900 USD

[sick knot]

imo the s23 is not even meme choice

though you might find it a bit too small and lacking in battery

while the s23 plus afaik just barely over the price threshold here

[gusty shadow]

im still iffy on going back to exynos

[sick knot]

nah

the s23 is the only recent s lineup to all use snapdragon

regardless of market

[gusty shadow]

oh

[sick knot]

and they all use s8g2

which is actually not bad

s8g3 can be a bit superfluous

otherwise if you are fine with poco (im not) the f6 should be up your ally

realme at this price point offer at least s8g2 and 144Hz but they are reported to have iffy touch issues

[gusty shadow]

i havent tried poco but ive had a xiaomi the past 4 years and its been pretty good to me

heard horror stories about the x3 tho

[sick knot]

i guess you tried the good xiaomi

the bad xiaomi though

but if you can torelate miui and hyperos i think its an okay choice

[gusty shadow]

if anyone has any First Hand Testimony for new phones that dont suck at droid then feel free to drop em down as well

[gusty shadow]

ive had miui 12 on my phone and refused to update it

[sick knot]

too bad

[gusty shadow]

i dont think that many people were actually affected by updating their os but yknow

gotta keep some superstitions alive

[sick knot]

i mean if you want to play droid updating provide no benefit at all

its not like these update will ever optimize performance of a 2d game running on a 13 years old engine on opengles fucking 1

[gusty shadow]

its the file access changes that get close to scaring me a bit tbh

[gusty shadow]

true

poco f6 looks like a decent option from a glance but ill keep looking

[vocal bough]

next update may be gles2

at least the goal

xD

[sick knot]

would be great if they are not already on 3

[vocal bough]

only recoil can i guess

he is learning gles

i was trying port andengine to kt

[sick knot]

we plan to fork andgine or just phase it out

[vocal bough]

we have a fork :)

[sick knot]

k

well its not like the fork have to sync upstream

[crimson frost]

I've my own engine based on GL 3 as separated project

But I doubt I'm porting osu!droid to that

the structure is way different because it's intended to Kotlin, not Java

[ashen smelt]

just bought the s23 yesterday lol

pretty damn good phone for the price

[faint sequoia]

❓

Chinese whispers...

[vocal bough]

[calm torrent]

is there a visual difference between 120hz and 144hz

[calm torrent]

how

[rich dagger]

uh

turn off all gestures for screen shottijg

and stuff

and for 120 just has the refresh rate on high

and you're done

runs perfectly fine

[rich dagger]

from what I've heard not much at all

[worn osprey]

Aren't the newer S series after S20 having lots of issues?

At least I have heard for S24

[sick knot]

the s21 and s22 was powered by the notorious sd888 and sd8g1 which is very ineffecient and cause performance throttling all the time

s23 finally use something good with the sd8g2

the s24 despite using the sd8g3 but the AI craze happen and their focus shift entirely to that

[worn sinew]

just wait for sd8g4

or 8g5

or 6

[torn dune]

Sd9

[sick knot]

g4 is probably gonna run like a firebrick lmao

unless they unlocked the secret of the universe or some shit

that shit clock higher than my i5-12400f lmao

[worn osprey]

AI is bullcrap

[faint sequoia]

We all know, thanks

[sick knot]

ok no generalization thank you

[worn osprey]

Wasn't SD888 making phones overheating?

[faint sequoia]

Read the message again

[pliant dagger]

im using s21 on exynos

its not that bad

[worn osprey]

Performance throttling?

[toxic heron]

poco f6

or poco f6 pro if you find it cheap

i bought mine(f6 pro) off ebay for 450€, it had a discount

[pliant dagger]

why did i think you was using the iphone

[boreal junco]

[leaden hill]

damn I'm like a month late but let me cook

@gusty shadow ngl Nero is pretty bang-on with this one https://shopee.co.th/Brand-New-Redmi-K70-Ultra-6.67-inches-Mediatek-Dimensity-9300-120W-wired-5500-mAh-OLED-NFC-IP68-SmartPhone-i.260624983.29405796307

but for your budget, it's possible to get the Ultra version instead of the pro version

it even has a ridiculous 2160Hz instant touch sampling rate for jumps, and 480hz continuous touch sampling rate for streams and sliders

Especially that Dimensity 9300+ chip, it's an amazing SoC that beats out snapdragon in many areas

but tbh the dimensity 9400 is coming out real soon and it's even more groundbreaking, completely destroying what snapdragon has currently

so I'd say wait a few months

Otherwise I would recommend the K70 Ultra, looks like a solid phone for 16k THB

[sick knot]

ok buddy we are already over that

high touch sampling rate is mostly placebo

latest discussion here

but tldr is that android's own overhead make latency reduction brought by high touch sampling rate pointless

also with how osu droid process hit, having touch sampling rate much higher than screen refresh rate can be less than ideal

the utmost priority is still the highest screen refresh rate as possible (as this is directly tied with how often osu droid process touch events)

[sick knot]

about the soc, the dimensity 9300+ is better than sd8g3 thanks to the decision to just remove all the shitcore (a515 e-core) and go for 4 prime core compared to sd8g3's 1

in exchange however performance in lower wattage of d9300+ will be slightly worse than sd8g3

and at peak it consume a concerningly high 14W of power

and obviously since its dimensity im gonna bitch about its gpu driver situation

which make it pretty bad for emulation (while you may ask why you are talking about emulation, its pretty much because its the last power check for these flagship soc, unless you like playing mihoyo game)

[leaden hill]

oh huh I did not know

[sick knot]

actually mihoyo game is not even that demanding on these devices

[leaden hill]

I asked qtvx to wait for the 9400 anyways

he'll be alright

[sick knot]

tbf might as well wait for sd8g4

but one thing for sure that these 2 thing's peak power consumption will be hog wild

[leaden hill]

haven't seen any numbers for that though

[sick knot]

leaked geekbench score show huge jump

[leaden hill]

meanwhile the test numbers from 9400 seems really exciting

[sick knot]

https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/1fe6csj/snapdragon_8_gen_4_geekbench_6_result_from_an

that clock speed is unreal though

that shit clock higher than my i5-12400f like wtf 😭

d9400 already stunned me with peak 19W power consumption

istg every phone used these soc is now legally required to use cooling chamber or liquid metal or some shit to even get that high

and that power consumption will tear through battery as well

though it largely depends on oem's cpu governor

since even the low wattage see good improvement thanks to n3 process finally no longer shit

funnily enough, if this number IS true, they would still be slightly behind apple a18

even with the glowie improvement, d9400 is still at least 1 gen behind apple

tying a17 pro

[worn sinew]

tim cook

[lethal pivot]

jk i wont

droid review soon

[pliant dagger]

[lethal pivot]

ok Poco F6/Redmi Turbo 3 is actually another goated device for droid tbh\

[lethal pivot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/606345578103963659/1295695423700340806/2024-10-15_18-26-45-00.00.42.163-00.01.14.917.mp4?ex=670f95e5&is=670e4465&hm=dec457d02a76d2149f3fcb3db95572b53cbc0368d2cb7b8749db281c39f7a947&

idk how to do a review so heres a vid of me using the Redmi Turbo 3

all i can say is ,, its true 120fps (unlike my samsung only goes on 118fps)

tsr i dont even know how to test

Heres some rough tsr test , i dont know how accurate it is

Without game turbo is on the left, and with it on is on the right

These 2 enabled

Again i dont know how accurate this is

And ye i read about TSR being placebo for marketing :v

||now i can say buy s20 fe 5g if you on tight budget, and poco f6 (redmi turbo 3) if you have extra budget||

[faint sequoia]

There is practically no difference between 118 and 120 FPS. You're talking about 0.14ms frametime difference

[lethal pivot]

some might say its crucial

[faint sequoia]

It's not

In addition to that, in-game FPS counter is inaccurate

[rich dagger]

the snapdragon 8gen4 is like

really expensive

I doubt it'll be available on more affordable phones

[faint sequoia]

I mean, you definitely do not need Snapdragon 8 Gen 4 to play the game

[calm torrent]

me with s8g2 only for droid and roblox

[faint sequoia]

Your device was gifted. That's a different story

[lethal pivot]

omw to buy redmagic just for droid

[rich dagger]

me when the phone is overqualified for osudroid

[calm torrent]

gifted indeed

[sick knot]

actually, whats the deal with current droid fps counter

i know its probably rolling average

but depends on how long the roll is, even the reading of 118-119 can suggest a lot of sporadic stuttering

also iirc you said something about fps display is not optimize, does it has significant impact to actual performance and does turning it off resolve the problem

wrong thread to ask but whatever, will relay it later

[faint sequoia]

The roll is throughout gameplay. And yes, it's not optimized due to unnecessary graphics buffer overwrite (i.e., rendering the same "120 FPS" text between two consecutive frames)

[sick knot]

by throughout the gameplay you mean, the entire map?

[faint sequoia]

Yes

[sick knot]

bruhhhh

then 118-119 reading is actually devastating

there is a reason 1% low and 0.1% low reading is relevant just as much as avg

[faint sequoia]

Also yes it is a rolling average

[sick knot]

im asking for the rolling window

your answer making it seem like the window is the entire map

which is wild

[faint sequoia]

Oh, yes it is the entire map

Amount of frames generated throughout the entire map divided by the sum of each frame's delta time

[sick knot]

thats actually wild

[sick knot]

does this have a pending fix?

the buffer overwrite thing

[faint sequoia]

It has been fixed, but not in release yet

[sick knot]

k

[faint sequoia]

It applies to every text like that, so...

For the FPS counter, nothing's planned yet, since I don't know how one is supposed to work in the first place

[sick knot]

:l

hnmm

probably this should be forwarded to #osu-droid

[faint sequoia]

To leave a paper trail, I've made a more accurate FPS counter that will be implemented in a later testing build

[calm torrent]

for some reason when I'm watching a replay, the FPS slowly goes down from 120 to 60

is that already a bug people are getting or what

[faint sequoia]

Nope, that sounds like your display switching to 60 Hz

[calm torrent]

ive set peak and user_refresh_rate to 1

do i also have to set min_refresh rate?

[faint sequoia]

I don't know, I've never used setedit

But to verify my claim, enable the system's FPS counter in developer options

[calm torrent]

i actually used brevent

[lethal pivot]

brevent is irrelevent to this topic?

brevent just put apps to "deep-sleep"

[calm torrent]

huh? ive used brevent to execute commands that i couldnt in setedit

[lethal pivot]

What

[faint sequoia]

@sick knot to continue on, in addition to rolling average, the current FPS counter displays update FPS (that is, the time that it takes to process one update tick) rather than draw FPS (the time that it takes to render one frame). One would be more concerned over draw FPS rather than update FPS

[crimson frost]

Update FPS should be called TPS

[sick knot]

ehhhhh

"frame" have other meaning that isnt related to graphic anyway (i.e. time-frame)

so im dont have any problem with it

[tardy tapir]

for osu droid? 💀

[sick knot]

for gaming in general

[rich dagger]

surprised no one buy phones from bbk

specifically the iqoo neo 9s proplus

maybe it's less popular idk

dimensity 9300+ I think

[sick knot]

maybe they should stop naming phone like fucking light novel and someone will bother

[rich dagger]

lmao

there's the iqoo neo 9(snap gen 2)

pro

pro plus

and 9s proplus

absolute hell

also the z9 lines from iqoo

like the

iqoo z9 turbo

8s gen 3 iirc

[sick knot]

another banger is realme gt neo 6 se 5g

i dont even know if its gt neo or neo gt

say alot about market saturation

[rich dagger]

that phone had performance issues due to software limitations

it's alot weaker compared to phones with the same chipset

[sick knot]

yea its just an example of the unwieldy name thingy

[rich dagger]

also it's gt neo 6 se

they released the gt neo 6 already which just has the 8s gen 3

instead of 7+ gen3

[sick knot]

also its weird how nobody really bench 8s g3

seem to be used a lot by chinese "fake flagship"

[rich dagger]

they are

seems like a depowered version of the 8 gen3

more powerful than 8 gen 2 maybe/?

[sick knot]

nope, its a new chip design altogether

[rich dagger]

not too sure

[rich dagger]

love naming convention

[sick knot]

they shrink the whole package to like half the size

like, yes they use similar core config to 8g3 but down clocked

but everything else was cut down as well

[rich dagger]

ok I use a oneplus with 7+gen 3 and uh

[sick knot]

performance wise it seems to be between 8g2 and 8g1+

[rich dagger]

the graphic processing is

kinda shit

[sick knot]

similar cpu perf to 7g3+ but better gpu

[rich dagger]

alot of spikes in the model

at least in genshin

lowest setting it looked worse than the note 20ultra snapdragon

spiky asff

[sick knot]

not sure what you described is a bug or not

[rich dagger]

I think not?

just the graphic being

[sick knot]

but either way its certainly bad optic for oneplus

[rich dagger]

really bad

[sick knot]

or genshin get too bloat

[rich dagger]

I have to tune to highest render to not get the effect

[sick knot]

did you tried it side by side with the s20u?

[rich dagger]

note 20u but yeah it looked way better at the same settings

lemme get a screenshot

mvm

update

I'm on 4g

[sick knot]

genshin on 4g did someone order bbq

[rich dagger]

like this

idk if you can see it

kinda grainy compared to n20u

[sick knot]

wow thats omega bad

[rich dagger]

lowest setting so ueah

[sick knot]

you dont use any anti aliasing right?

[faint sequoia]

Which SoC is this?

[rich dagger]

the snapdragon 7+gen 3

[faint sequoia]

The game added automatic downscaling for lower tier SoC types in version 5.0

So this comparison is a bit off

[sick knot]

thats crazy bad though

[rich dagger]

also I turned the rendering to max to minimize the

[faint sequoia]

Yes

[rich dagger]

spiky effect

it looked way worse on lower render

[sick knot]

the note 20 u using exynos 990

[faint sequoia]

Who would have thought

[sick knot]

which is also not that good

[rich dagger]

it's the snapdragon 5g version

so

not too shabby tbf

865

[sick knot]

i mean as much as i love the 865 its already 4 years old

maybe genshin cannot detect/look up the soc so it just default into "really bad soc" mode

[rich dagger]

lmao

[sick knot]

considering there are 4 devices are using the soc its probably not that far off

[faint sequoia]

and their favoritism towards iOS devices

[rich dagger]

I can like name 3

oneplus ace 3v(one I'm using)
oneplus nord4
realme gt neo 6 se

[sick knot]

compared to 12 running 8sg3

[rich dagger]

not my friend's iphone 8 plus playing genshin

[faint sequoia]

No shit dude, that thing's several years old

[sick knot]

7+ i think

[faint sequoia]

It's also the oldest supported model for the game

So I'm not surprised

[sick knot]

the remaining is realme gt 6t

[rich dagger]

holy

[faint sequoia]

Before I get even more off-topic, here's Android

[rich dagger]

I see

[sick knot]

my zenfone 2 with intel cpu and power vr gpu

granted its only as good as sd820

[faint sequoia]

That's still lower than version 1.0's recommended specs

It was 845 back then

Nevertheless, I have played the game in M2 and it still performs meh... so I really do not expect Android to perform better in this regard

Granted the graphics quality is a lot better especially with MetalFX

[rich dagger]

I wonder how bad the 8 elite will heat up

or 8 gen 4

[sick knot]

@rich dagger 39C genshin on 720p 60fps (compared to s8g3's 45C)

3nm doing the heavy lifting

[rich dagger]

that's

[faint sequoia]

You really cannot compare this to Android

[rich dagger]

surprisingly cool

[rich dagger]

yeah

games are way better optimized on ios

[faint sequoia]

Not if they don't have an iOS version like osu!droid

Funnily enough, the game is quite CPU-heavy

[rich dagger]

plays perfectly into iphones advantage then

[sick knot]

well yea, it push like 5W instead of 8W of course it run cooler

anyway

this may age badly

but buying a samsung galaxy s25 should be a wise choice in the future

[rich dagger]

hope for no snap 810 incident

[rich dagger]

osudroid with a pen

sounds fun actually

[faint sequoia]

One UI blocks any input when your pen is active

[rich dagger]

aw

sad

[faint sequoia]

It's not like a Galaxy Tab or iPad

[rich dagger]

my friend was able to play surfway surfer on it

with a pen

somehow

[faint sequoia]

Also the delay may be horrible

[rich dagger]

fr

[faint sequoia]

key word in "may"

I don't know how the pen works

If it uses bluetooth then yea expect delay

Saw a review for Huawei's new MatePad and the reviewer mentioned that the pen response delay is ~2.8ms

That is enough to throw you off in high BPM beatmaps

Though 2.8ms is very miniscule. The biggest delay comes from the game's update FPS

Lower = more delay

[sick knot]

that seem oddly specific, is this come from testing or just whatever the manufacturer said

[faint sequoia]

I didn't verify, but I'm talking in the context of osu!droid, so that measurement is useless

[sick knot]

ooooookaayyyy?

[faint sequoia]

Because this is (almost) always the case

[rich dagger]

do anyone have the issue of cursor lagging behind

at 120fps

[faint sequoia]

Everyone does

[faint sequoia]

That's what I meant about this

[rich dagger]

I see

[rich dagger]

no I mean it's kinda inconsistent, sometimes it doesn't lag behind much and sometimes it does

[sick knot]

@rich dagger rog phone 9 will come with 240Hz trust

[rich dagger]

540hz when

[sick knot]

snapdragon 8 elite 4 or smth idk

but 8 elite does support 240Hz now

compared to s8g3

[lethal pivot]

Thats just everyone

Even on mine still have delay

[rich dagger]

is yours very inconsistent on how delayed it is tho

[lethal pivot]

Trust me on 120hz its not that noticable

[lethal pivot]

||Aquos Zero 2 :||

Sadly aquos phone is not very aquos like you said

[lethal pivot]

Wym by this

[rich dagger]

sometimes the cursor is extremely behind

sometimes it's not

like

the cursor lagging isn't consistent

[lethal pivot]

No?

I dont know much about hyperos yet either ingame fps is not consistent or because the os

My current thermals and battery percentage. Something2 miui/hyperos/ something2 low battery/thermals = inconsistent fps. i probably should've use stock recorder but fps caps at 90

Frames aside , the cursor delay is still there but its not that bad

Like really||, unless you search for it and whining about it||

[lethal pivot]

If on 60hz then yeah

90hz? Not sure

[faint sequoia]

Ok now fry it with testing client's difficulty calculation

[rich dagger]

mine is 120 lol

and the lagging is noticeable enough to be rather

disruptive

by cursor lagging I meany

the cursor not tracking your finger correctly

it's always abit shaky and behind

[lethal pivot]

[sick knot]

@faint sequoia ye ye fire 🔥

[lethal pivot]

This broken mess + aspire/2b/storyboard maps

[lethal pivot]

What fuckin sensor is that 27c ?

[sick knot]

dont mind about it

probably just bogus reading

actually it might as well be default value lmao

since they dont have sensor associated with those reading

and aida dont feel motivated to just remove them if there really isnt a sensor

[lethal pivot]

Broken mess indeed

[faint sequoia]

Storyboard maps are not affected. Aspire/2B are hit or miss depending on slider's B-spline generation. Usually there are bezier curves that are still complex even after its generalization

[faint sequoia]

Should've used just half of available threads

[lethal pivot]

God

[faint sequoia]

... what were you running

[lethal pivot]

lazer what else

[sick knot]

rs

[broken helm]

Recent osu! Standard Play for -Nero Yuki-:

USAO ULTIMATE HYPER MEGA MIX [NATHAN x RLC's TWERKING GAMER ONII-CHAN] +TD [5.83★]

▸ ▸ 7.32PP (91.06PP for 77.97% FC) ▸ 76.58%
▸ 0 ▸ x278/2494 ▸ [1040/505/14/22]

Try #1 • On osu! Bancho Server · Oct 24, 2024, 10:50 AM

[sick knot]

played with lazer™️

cant even keep 120 after 30 minutes

[faint sequoia]

Not surprised... the thing also heated my M2 up

Plays well but not optimized

[sick knot]

that drop playing lazer lmao

friendly reminder that my phone screen is on most of the time

[lethal pivot]

rs

[broken helm]

Recent osu! Standard Play for - StarS-:

Mayday (feat. Laura Brehm) [[2B] Calling Out Mayday] +TD [8.55★]

▸ (80.2%) ▸ 0.01PP (510.63PP for 79.06% FC) ▸ 66.86%
▸ 0 ▸ x171/1925 ▸ [467/257/58/59]

Try #1 • On osu! Bancho Server · Oct 24, 2024, 10:40 AM

[lethal pivot]

Certified lazer moment

[lethal pivot]

Forty fucking five degrees Celsius

Peak

[lethal pivot]

To be honest im impressed that the recording didnt crash,, probably i got used on my previous phones ,

[crimson frost]

In this context TPS is usually used

[rich dagger]

the Samsung s pen does work for osudroid

I tried with my friend's s22 ultra

pretty nice

it's advertised as having low latency

[faint sequoia]

But can you stream with it?

[rich dagger]

I haven't tried that yet

oh wait

no

you cant

only aim

so I guess limited to relax gaming

[faint sequoia]

Thought so

[rich dagger]

wonder if itll work was a tablet for normal osu

[gusty shadow]

previous 2 suggestions i got here were fire but i would prefer to get something i can actually purchase from a store in thailand

i was looking at just getting a xiaomi mi 13/14t since my 10t has been a faithful and loyal soldier but apparently newer versions of miui and hyperos are committing war crimes on osu!droid specifically

13t doesnt seem to be as war crime-y from a quick search in this server

[gusty shadow]

i dont trust buying something worth 500 dollars online and getting it shipped to my door. am i insane for this

[sick knot]

s23

[gusty shadow]

damn thats actually way cheaper than i thought itd be

oof that battery tho

[sick knot]

@gusty shadow

yea

[rich dagger]

the concern is real

I can understand

I bought my phone online though

pretty good

[sick knot]

also if you HAVE to buy it from a brick and mortar store, dont do it at big retailer

as they have a lot of operational overhead and would happily dump it all on you

[gusty shadow]

yea ik

[sick knot]

the reason im hesistate with the k70 pro recommendation unless you are min maxing perf is actually because of it being a chinese-only phone

the result of them being so cheap is because of china phone market is a cut-throat one

with brand pretty much undercutting each others in term of price power and feature

and with the magic of uh... tax evasion, you get good phone for cheap

with the caveat of warranty become a very lengthy process that will involve a 3rd party

possible network coverage problem

possible notification problem

and you are at the mercy of whatever crapware will be on your phone (they cant just reduce phone price for free)

[lethal pivot]

Can confirm your concerns lmao, need big balls for it

3 times i ordered phones online, all went smoothly

[lethal pivot]

About this, atleast on HyperOS (Chinese), everything looks like can be uninstal?

They just let user uninstall the bloats that came with in chinese os

Even system apps

Getting em back is , "you be the judge" type beat

Unless i didnt understand your sentence enough

🗿

[sick knot]

tbf i dont exactly find this a problem

e-commerce platform nowaday provide so much customer protection

like, if you buy stuff on shopee, just record yourself open the package and you can return the thing in 7 days no question ask

[lethal pivot]

Funny that my order auto completed itself without even it arrived and it came after few hours later.. on the same day

Can i say pretty scary moment

[sick knot]

sure my current phone is a brick and mortar store buy

[lethal pivot]

Like

[sick knot]

but i spent like a whole afternoon going around a street specialize in selling phone

went through like a dozen store

solely because i dont even know what to buy

(my initial intention is a red magic 8 pro, but i heard horror story about its OS, so i want to get a hands on as well)

and the fact that i in fact didnt buy it show how well it goes

[lethal pivot]

About this,, i feel like most of the issues only happens on older models but not on the newer ones.

Intentionally gapped their old models

Because droid ran fine on my phone

Bro really copied fruit 1:1

[faint sequoia]

So... about Android 15

If you are looking for a phone specifically to play droid, I can safely say that Android 15 support will be finnicky until at least next year (or worse, after Android 16 has released) because you must know the page size of the phone

It's still unclear to me whether one can choose between 4 KB and 16 KB page size, but if you are able to, you must stay in 4 KB

Because from what I see in Android docs, you can only go to 16 KB, not go to 4 KB

That also doesn't guarantee that every manufacturer will allow you to do so

[pliant dagger]

ok my samsung s21 exynos has become a potato in droid

inb4 there were no issues with fps

but right now its unplayable

my fps can drop to 110 now

[lethal pivot]

I'ma be grammar nazi but that aint how you use inb4 but that aside

Its old exynos lmao

[pliant dagger]

bro i dont want to buy a new phone for droid

its still good in my opinion

[lethal pivot]

I mean

[lethal pivot]

1.7 behavior

[pliant dagger]

no its not about fps counter

the game feels like shit

[lethal pivot]

Eh

Try running 1.7

[crimson frost]

define like shit

[sick knot]

@pliant dagger performance issue is a very touchy subject in this new release due to how the fps counter has been rework to correctly reflect fps drop, we had conflicting report of people who claim it runs better and vice versa

if possible please compare the current build with the 1.7.2p6 build with the new fps counter here #osu-droid message

and post your finding in a separate thread

afaik this is very much off topic for this thread

also fyi slider hit judgement will be adjusted in 1.8.0p2 too so there is that (if you feel like hitting short slider is a crapshoot in the new version)

[faint sequoia]

1.8p2 improves the FPS counter's accuracy, so that 1.7.2p6 build is kind of obsolete

But it's still a better comparison than 1.7.2p6's release client

[sick knot]

as long as 1.8p1 and the 1.7.2p6 debug build share the same fps counting it should be a valid comparison

[sick knot]

ok relevant thing

rog 9 will have 185Hz panel

im probably too optimistic on someone getting to 240Hz straight away

but alas

[faint sequoia]

uh oh Android 15

tbf even lazer won't work in some Android 15 devices, so... not exclusive to droid

[sick knot]

someone have to be the sacrificial lamb then

also android 16 soon™️

[faint sequoia]

The problem is in BASS (audio engine)

It doesn't support 16 KB page size yet

That's why lazer won't work too

[sick knot]

yea i know, its more like a joke statement that they may not fix this before the next android version release

which is really funny, and sad

[faint sequoia]

They already have some of it compiled for 16 KB page size, but I'm not confident it works well yet

Also the one that is used in beatmap listing is missing, so yea, half support half not

[lethal pivot]

Ok now im wondering whether Aquos Zero 2 is actually 240hz

Cuz idk if the panel itself is 240hz

Throwback to my R2 being only 100hz

[untold heath]

it just show actual fps now

[thick lagoon]

yall think that the samsung a03s us worth buying for droid

[lethal pivot]

Old A series especially AxxS = E-Waste

Meaning not worth it at all

[faint sequoia]

How much budget do you have?

[lethal pivot]

And that your budget yeah

[thick lagoon]

what is considered a good phone?

[faint sequoia]

It highly depends on your budget

Because the question should be what is a good phone for your budget

[thick lagoon]

i don't have a lot of money, so around 40-50$

[sick knot]

yikes

i think stuff that run snapdragon 845 is possible but you have to be thrifty

[sick knot]

i think pocophone f1 is possible within your budget

obviously used

but

its required to buy used at this price point to get anything better than literal e-waste

[thick lagoon]

alright

[vocal bough]

So my guys, I'm thinking of buying a new fricking phone in the new year . Let's go

[sick knot]

red magic 10 pro leggo

[vocal bough]

Lego

[sick knot]

jokes aside what is your budget

[vocal bough]

Pff 1000€ xD

[faint sequoia]

Europe market 200% inflation

[sick knot]

its not that bad

[faint sequoia]

It's ok I'm joking

[vocal bough]

No for real 700 to 900 I guess ?

[sick knot]

s23 ultra

[vocal bough]

I'm not much into smagsung

S25 ultra

[sick knot]

nah, AI garbage

[vocal bough]

Custom rom

[sick knot]

i will be honest with you, using custom rom rn is more of a hassle than a boon

[vocal bough]

I know xD

I'm at one but 15 is meeh

So I stick with 14

[faint sequoia]

Buy an Android 15 so you can't work on the game without emulating anymore

[vocal bough]

Would like to have an under display camera again

[sick knot]

isnt the page file thing opt in?

[vocal bough]

[faint sequoia]

No

I'm pretty sure those buying phones like Xiaomi 15 cannot play right now

[vocal bough]

Man Xiaomi is everywhere

The Xiaomi cars are kinda nice ngl

Idk man. What should I buy, these phones are still bad

[sick knot]

you want slightly smaller phone?

look for zenfone 10

[vocal bough]

What you mean by smaller

I currently have a mix 4

[sick knot]

the what 4?

oh mi mix 4?

[faint sequoia]

Yes

[sick knot]

sub 6 inches screen

[vocal bough]

[sick knot]

unfortunately there is only gaming phone may include this

like the red magic

[vocal bough]

I know

[sick knot]

there is also the oneplus 12

[vocal bough]

When mix 5 😭

[sick knot]

if you dont mind its comically big camera

💀

you can get the big ass 24GB of RAM (yes, that much, no ram extension bs) and 1TB of internal storage

though 8g3 is kinda miff

[vocal bough]

OnePlus 13 is coming soon too

[sick knot]

i doubt they can cool down the madness that is 8 elite

[sick knot]

i said it before

and unfortunately no phone seems to be able to utilize it yet

[vocal bough]

But as I see all new phones are ai powered. That makes me so worried xd

[vocal bough]

Ye seems so

[sick knot]

would be a great machine for windows games

🏃‍♂️

[vocal bough]

Ok windows phone

[sick knot]

[vocal bough]

I think I should wait longer ? But my phone is literally dying with a screen on time of 2 hrs and bit more 💀

Buying a new battery is worst

I mean my phone is only buyable in china

[sick knot]

@vocal bough so would you continue buying chinese only phone

[vocal bough]

Nah

Mix 4 was nice

If mix5 is only buyable in china I would because that series is nice

Had mix 3 too

[sick knot]

for your price point i think decent choice that doesnt look like garbage is probably zenfone 11 ultra, xiaomi 15 pro and galaxy s24+

i think all of them should have official distribution channel in europe

the s24+ will use exynos though

so dont

[vocal bough]

[sick knot]

brah get the s23 ultra

[vocal bough]

Need to watch this first

https://youtu.be/_9qlS1QeKJQ?si=y_KX0bF00gK0Y9CH

But I think that sample rate and stuff is low

[faint sequoia]

Who cares about sample rate

[vocal bough]

🫵

Xd

[sick knot]

buddy you code the game you should know sample rate is placebo

[vocal bough]

[sick knot]

tbf you dont exactly code the game but still

[vocal bough]

That's why it is lined xD

[vocal bough]

Kinda true

[sick knot]

honestly the s23 is so safe of a choice, you can just wing it

[vocal bough]

I'll wait a little longer, there will be more in the new year. Thanks for helping 😈

[modest hedge]

what phone is best for osu

    {
      "Cat mowa": { : true
        "s23-s24 is mid 120hz just read below 👇🏻": false
      }
    }
     "You should buy OnePlus 13 right now": true
    } "still has OnePlus 12 phone"
      } "set to 0.5": define 
   "everyone will be set to -1 braincell"
------*-----
    ```

[sick knot]

i have a 165Hz rog phone 7 and its marginally better than 120Hz poco x3 pro at best

[sour phoenix]

Nokia 3310

[worn osprey]

osu!96x65

[pliant dagger]

redmi 6a

[sour phoenix]

https://youtu.be/ViIbCxld1S8?si=25iwAIS1xMUjeFfB

[thick lagoon]

should i just get a motorola phone

[sick knot]

which motorola phone

[thick lagoon]

Moto g pure

[sick knot]

a bit too miserable

is your budget like sub 60 dollars?

[thick lagoon]

yes

[sick knot]

are you willing to buy used

[thick lagoon]

yes

[sick knot]

also iirc you are in the us, is there any carrier plan you can afford

[thick lagoon]

idk

[sick knot]

if this is the case, the pocophone f1, lg v30 should be within range

basically old phone with snapdragon 835 or 845 if you are lucky

or first gen sony xperia V/I

they will probably break early

but it wont be miserable to use

the moto g pure will also break early

and it will be miserable to use with how under power it is

[thick lagoon]

what do you mean by under power?

[faint sequoia]

Poor specs

[sick knot]

i mean underpowered

my english farted

[atomic crest]

xiaomi 14t pro if the budget is around 600usd

i heard good things about it

[atomic crest]

if you are going all out on gaming performance go get the iqoo 13

i personally have an oppo find x8

[gusty shadow]

isnt the software bad for droid though

[atomic crest]

not sure

actually

what software issue would occur in osudroid?

[sick knot]

@atomic crest you can read the OP

[lethal pivot]

A lot

but im just gonna say

ximi loves to make os update that gapped their device

[gusty shadow]

ah fuck im gonna gamble on getting a 14t

apparently for some people hyperos has been fine

worst case i try and do le bootloading

[sick knot]

i mean, if it works it works i guess

[lethal pivot]

I mean i already told you about getting xiaomeme devices

Avoid the old, go with the semi recent or buy the newest models if u rich

Also i got HyperOS 2 haven't test droid fully yet

[gusty shadow]

nvm got an s23 ultra

ballin

[sick knot]

🔥

[hot jolt]

w

[crimson frost]

Ok my POCO X3 Pro is starting to die slowly

My budget is up to 800 USD, what phone do you recommend

[sick knot]

iphone

wait for s25

probably

[crimson frost]

Ywah

I really want to try iOS ngl

[crimson frost]

800 usd dollars

[sick knot]

the base s25 should probably be around that price

probably gonna be taxed to hell and back in your country though so nvm

[sick knot]

do you prefer "it just werk" or making the most out of the phone

800 is more than enough for top of the line soc on android side (s8e), stuff like the realme gt 7 or iqoo 13 global or imported oneplus ace 5 pro or redmi k80 pro from china

tbf i havent seen any phone really uncap the s8e

so

i would still prefer getting the s25 if can, since no exynos bs this time

[mighty axle]

Is Redmi 10 pro for Osu android?

Ndroid

[lethal pivot]

Software side probably gonna hold you back

[sick knot]

it is fine™️

[mighty axle]

Ιt says I got an update but when I press to update it says faiked

Failed

And I'm scared if I delete the game and redownload the newest version my maps will be gone

Or no?

[lethal pivot]

update to hyperos?

[mighty axle]

I don't have idea what is that

[lethal pivot]

oh droid update?

[mighty axle]

Ye

Btw if I reinstall the app the maps will be gone?

[lethal pivot]

just update it

if you on android 7 that is

[lethal pivot]

no

but if you want to be safe just rename the whole osudroid folder

and reinstall it

[mighty axle]

Alr ty man

[crimson frost]

The thing is that imported from China or even USA takes 30 days at least

I saw the Xiaomi Redmi Note 13 which is 400 USD

d

Worth or nah ?

[faint sequoia]

Lowkey I'd still settle with Samsung if possible, you do pay a lot upfront with that 800 USD, but you will save money overtime by not falling for budget ballers

[spice sentinel]

wow SA really have it suck with phone price

its original price is... 200 USD

aliexpress list it at 100 bucks now

[crimson frost]

"Save national industry" ahh politics (even tho we don't manufacture Xiaomi phones)

[crimson frost]

Just checked it's actually 300 USD here

[crimson frost]

The problem with samsung is that they're somehow more expensive than they should be

Like the A series costs the same as any Xiaomi Redmi Note 2023+

[faint sequoia]

I'm not really surprised

[crimson frost]

I mean I prefer having a MediaTek Dimensity rather than a Helio

[sick knot]

well about that the dimensity 6020 is basically a helio g99 rebranded (with 5g support being the only notable addition)

so

spec-wise it even slightly worse than the g99 (7nm fab vs 6nm, gpu clocked at 950MHz instead of 1000, etc.)

and the g99 (and its multiple rebrands) is basically the defacto soc for "gaming phone wannabe"

[crimson frost]

it's Dimensity 6080

not the 6020

but haven't seen the specs yet

and tbh you don't need a gaming phone to osu!droid (in fact I don't play it)

[faint sequoia]

Lowkey this is a pretty tough recommendation merely due to how inflated the prices are

[sick knot]

then it go from a slight downgrade to a slight upgrade

same fab, +0.2GHz on 2 big core, +68MHz on the GPU

and 5G

everything else is the same as the G99

probably need some googling to know the price situation there

wolfram 1 usd to ars

[broken helm]

Wolfram Alpha

Click here for full result

Request for neroyuki

[faint sequoia]

That graph...

[sick knot]

that is certainly a graph of all time

https://articulo.mercadolibre.com.ar/MLA-1932081014-samsung-galaxy-s23-256-gb-black-8-gb-ram-liberado-_JM?searchVariation=181877321814#polycard_client=search-nordic&searchVariation=181877321814&position=19&search_layout=stack&type=item&tracking_id=80693794-f77f-40c0-8500-21032bf4d61e

@crimson frost dunno how legit this site is

but this seem like in budget for you

[crimson frost]

It's okay

Crawling peg was 2%

now it's 1%

we're going under the process of dolarization

[crimson frost]

It's legit

That one is reconditioned, is that okay ?

[sick knot]

then jesus christ this price is mad

+50-100% price

[crimson frost]

unfortunately yes

it was worst 1 year before

we got to the point of 1 usd dollar = 1600 ars

I'll take a look at that one

[sick knot]

checked the listing and it seems to provide pretty much all i can ask for

30 days return + 12 months warranty

pretty standard

[crimson frost]

There's a chance that I can import a phone too

the taxes are about 30% or so

[sick knot]

the only problem is that the phone is not big and thus dont have the best battery life, you would need to get an s23 plus and that is out of budget unless buy used

[crimson frost]

but the avarage shipping time is 30 days

I don't think I can get along without phone that time

because I use it to work too

[crimson frost]

Yea, that site it's secure

[sick knot]

the poco x7 pro should be okay since seem like xiaomi learn their lesson with the x3 pro

you just need to suffer turdos but otherwise the dimensity 8400u and 6000mAh battery is pretty tempting

[faint sequoia]

Good lord that's almost 800 USD on a 2-year old phone...

[sick knot]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[untold heath]

my friend bought a samsung s23 and i tried to play droid with his phone and it was perfect 😭

[sick knot]

should've change thread to "samsung galaxy s23 shill thread"

[lethal pivot]

Nah

Base S23 glazers

[worn sinew]

S23 gang

[vocal bough]

https://youtu.be/3i1OB6wKYms?si=DEC-YieycDuje7ry

the S25 series has finally been released

[sour phoenix]

[crimson frost]

Turns out the Redmi Note 13 has Snapdragon 685

[sick knot]

@bold wren

[bold wren]

thx

[sick knot]

ah the budget sludge

[crimson frost]

now

[sick knot]

that would be a downgrade from the x3 pro

[crimson frost]

Unfortunately

[sick knot]

pretty bad downgrade

[crimson frost]

Should I update it to HyperOS?

[sick knot]

depends, since xiaomi like to deliver different os versions to different phones just because

please buy an s20 5g if your budget is tighter

otherwise with the s25 just announced, as expected its s8e and ai sludge everywhere

its unclear if it can manage the s8e thermal demand but its samsung so i wouldnt count much

stick with the s23

[crimson frost]

s20 FE is cheaper than Redmi Note 13

what about that?

@sick knot

[sick knot]

yea fe is fine

look kinda cheap though

and shouldnt be significantly cheaper than s20 5g

wait, remember to get the fe 5g, not the fe

basically avoid exynos at all cost

unless its 30-40% cheaper

[crimson frost]

it is reaconditioned with exynos

[sick knot]

yea please dont

[crimson frost]

and from the reconditioned status from Flawless to Good it is Good

which is the lower status

lmao

[crimson frost]

it's not even 10% cheaper

[sick knot]

then avoid exynos version

you really need to see to believe how bad samsung fab is compared to tsmc

like, sure it is fine™️ on that tier of device

but there is 0 and i mean zero reason to buy the exynos version when the snapdragon version exists

[crimson frost]

just to put in context, the Redmi note 13 is 336$ USD meanwhile the S20 FE reconditioned is 332$ USD

[crimson frost]

I couldn't find the Snapdragon version unfortunately

[sick knot]

look for the 5g version

[crimson frost]

I don't think that version was released on this region

[sick knot]

either s20 5g, s20 plus 5g or s20 fe 5g

they are guaranteed to have snapdragon iirc

[sick knot]

the note 13 is a newer "budget" device

long gone the day of xiaomi device being "good value"

[crimson frost]

Yeah 😔

[sick knot]

these things are just borderline landfill material

[crimson frost]

I miss my Redmi Note 3 Pro back in the day when it just got released

I don't trust Exynos either too

btw

I asked for the Redmi trial

So I'll benchmark it

[sick knot]

then please look for this

https://m.gsmarena.com/xiaomi_redmi_note_13-ampp-12776.php
https://m.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s20_fe_5g-10377.php

antutu bench score below

remember, for each antutu version difference, +15% to the older device

same device, but new version gib bigger score to fool user that new phone is better

actually diabolical

idk what happened to your earlier plan with the s23

but it score 1.2 million on antutu v9 for comparison

[crimson frost]

unfortunately can't trial a reconditioned device lmao

[sick knot]

dont they have free return policy?

[crimson frost]

yes

but you also have trial

for return policy you have to pay

Xd

[vocal bough]

[sick knot]

🤷‍♂️

[sick knot]

@faint sequoia did you try droid on an aquos r6?

heard your dad have one

curious on whether droid can reach 240hz on it

[faint sequoia]

It's an Aquos R9, but it could

I wouldn't necessarily recommend it to the casual users though, because the Android flavor is pretty barebone

Also I only checked that part of the phone and not other factors, so my testing was very limited

[eager cloud]

Thoughts in getting Motorola Edge 50 pro?

144hz amoled 2712x1220 with 12/512 and qualcomm snapdragon 7 gen 3 (8 cores)

One of the best quality to price in poland

it's for 440$ btw

400 is my general budget but i can go a little above that

[torn dune]

here you are talking about the characteristics, but the most important thing is touch hz for the game.

I have no doubt that everything they say will do, but it's still better to ask and find out what the touch refresh rate is.

[sick knot]

can we like, stop spreading the myth thay high sampling rate will help in droid

highest refresh rate possible + sampling rate x2

that should be the goal

[sick knot]

it is fine imo

[torn dune]

Isn't that right? I feel the difference compared to the previous phone.

[sick knot]

@torn dune see the discussion here

latency reduction is negligible
fast input is capped at screen refresh rate due to batching anyway

so say you have a 120Hz screen with 480Hz sampling, while the panel can technically register 4 discrete timestep per frame, android will group them all into 1

which is all osu droid can "see"

[eager cloud]

Sampling rate?

What's that actually lol

xD

[sick knot]

@eager cloud it called touch sampling rate

you can google it

[eager cloud]

Does that gonna make me merami

Jkjk but that sounds pretty good tho

[lethal pivot]

^

Its like "get rapid trigger bro, it will make you hit 300bpm streams easy"

[eager cloud]

Osu! Droid DKS

Where is that resample thing in droid settings or i need to change it in my phones settings

Woaw

[lethal pivot]

"totally didnt have to do with your current skillset"

[eager cloud]

I cannot find that setting on my phone

Even on developer mode

Bruh

[sick knot]

in none gaming phone you are pretty much stuck with what you have

it is still recommended that touch sampling rate being double of screen refresh rate to prevent touch event being skip in the next game frame

but going higher than that provide pretty much no discernable benefit

t. i have a rog phone 7 which can do this

the default tsr is 333 which is roughly double the max screen refresh rate (165)

[faint sequoia]

Applications can read them. It's just droid chooses not to

The batching doesn't always happen too

It's more so the fact that hit registration is tied to the update thread, which is tied to the device's screen refresh rate

[sick knot]

i mean, droid handle hit judgement at each game frame so it doesnt matter how the cursor do between sampling timestep anyway

it just look at the batch to determine "yep there is cursor here"

@faint sequoia actually even droid cursor move event only "connect the dot" between 2 cursor instance of 2 game frame right?

[faint sequoia]

Connect the dot?

[sick knot]

what i mean is that if there is no cursor up event in a game frame between those 2 frames, the game consider the cursor's current active position and declare a move event between the previous frame and the current frame

[sour phoenix]

soo

960hz in red magic 10 is useless in droid

[sick knot]

you see with how shitty asuck is in rma at least they are dont exactly participate in false advertising

[sour phoenix]

[torn dune]

Left in defolt, right with custom sens in game genie

[lethal pivot]

Meanwhile

"yep 1k hz there you go"

[torn dune]

minimum hz

on the last phone (realme gt neo2, 420hz), I pressed the quick sliders, released my finger and everything was OK, now I need to hold my finger literally To the end, because due to the high sensitivity of pressing, it "releases" earlier. it's the same with the notes, I pressed with a small margin, now the window has shifted, it's very unusual

Yes, it's milliseconds, but what difference does it make if it significantly affects the way I play..

I'm watching the video, and I see that at the beginning of the slider, everyone has a slight delay before the cursor moves on, but I don't experience this, and with all this, I can make it so that I have the same thing

So I don't believe it's a "myth".

And of course, I can't deny that somewhere it really only acts as an advertisement, and in practice it's all nonsense.

well, I'll add that there is no difference of 60 or 165 fps, the screen reacts the same way.

Counter on bottom side

I forgot to turn on the touch display, but I think it's not important.

[eager cloud]

I don't even have a gaming phone

I have xiaomi mi 10T

Phone from 2020

[faint sequoia]

Only if the cursor has traveled far enough

Otherwise it's a press

[sick knot]

tough noogie

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[faint sequoia]

I think you missed the point

The operating system's input pipeline is the major cause of the latency, and this affects all applications

So even those touch sampling rate test applications don't actually measure your real touch latency

This is exacerbated further in droid due to how hit registration works

The "fix frame offset" setting is meant to alleviate that problem

[torn dune]

yes, I don't pretend to be the only true thing, I don't need it, I'm just explaining that it has an effect, and there's a difference in the game

[sour phoenix]

i'm still cant play with this

[faint sequoia]

This is interesting, you're not the only one who says that

[torn dune]

If you're interested, I don't feel any difference at all.

[faint sequoia]

It's out of topic of the thread, but I might look at it again

[eager cloud]

I just play with what i think will make my game the most optimized

And everything works perfectly