#Demyansk: New Soviet map

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halcyon elm
twilit frigate
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1st photo - Western-East view on Grodno , 2nd photo - view from the left side of the bridge on town Grodno

kindred zealot
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Three additional photos from Demyansk, showing possible new vehicles and uniforms

viscid shale
twilit frigate
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If somebody mentioned that will be no tanks for this map - it's false. Soviets used tank regiments in counter offensive. KV - 2 heavy, other side also was with big armor support , only if cut - it's Tiger and Panther tank, but by the way, they also weren't on 2/3 of three Soviet maps, except Kursk map.

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sudden marlin
quaint dome
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never gonna be against more russian maps! emoji_HLLCommendation we need more cqb maps

halcyon elm
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||@brazen orbit || Think about this...

twilit frigate
# halcyon elm ||<@214784015461253122> || Think about this...

If we want to see these maps, also urban one , summer , I think it’s possible to try to get them.
P.S. I got all information about this battle and over 300+ photos of this town in 1941. It had some ruins on southern-west part of the town, other town is complete and very nice for infantry combats. Street also wide and it’s good for the tanks. Version of 1941 is more manoeuvrable for this game.
On photo - Niemen river , nowadays. The same looked 80 years ago.
It’s the same as Saint Mere Eglise or Saint Mere Du Mont, prototype but only on the East

kindred zealot
quaint dome
candid osprey
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emoji_HLLCommendation that operation Barbarossa map is a must

twilit frigate
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1st photo - western outskirts of Grodno, East>West ,on Niemen river side. 2nd church in Ozheshko street. 3st photo it’s counter place of the first photo, another direction. West -> East.
4th photo is Murawiewa Street in 1930. (As we can see street very wide to armor)
P.S. Yes , this map is bushy, and has many trees 🌳 at the landscape, only northern-west part has fields, but they are also with lots of high grass and tree lines.

1941 Grodno and another one
1942 Demyansk
1943 Smolensk , etc
Like example

@quaint dome

No it wouldn’t take more players than we have now, it’s gonna be lots of issues and inaccurates on Berlin + it can be crashed like Stalingrad with lots of assets. First let’s get 1941 maps. You remember what happened to the British faction, it was lots of bad comments and marks for the game.

low lynx
kindred zealot
# candid osprey <:emoji_HLLCommendation:732358420417609760> that operation Barbarossa map is a m...

Demyansk too, in Demyansk, they airdropped supplies and it worked. They tried the same later in Stalingrad, but it did not work. We already have Winter Fallschirmjäger and Soviet paratroopers, so they need a fitting map. This map will be a new experience in a new environment we haven‘t seen before. Imagine it like Kharkov, but with more trees, northern ambience and more cover in general.
PS: Regarding Berlin: I never said it will be bad. But just because an iconic battle happened there, won’t make it a good map automatically. It would be so much work. Demyansk could be mostly done with existing assets, unlike Berlin. Again, I’d prefer if the eastern front maps are set in Eastern Europe, because it will feel more unique than battles in Germany which would feel only a little different regarding the maps to existing maps. The key to good maps is a balance between uniqueness, how known the battle is and how well it plays. That’s why I suggested Demyansk or Grodno

quaint dome
# kindred zealot Demyansk too, in Demyansk, they airdropped supplies and it worked. They tried th...

when it comes to berlin i feel like it really depends how much time the devs would want to spend on building it, I think berlin would sell the game a lot more though to new players then hearing a battle they have never heard of which is definetly needed, plus we have a lot of open maps and it would be nice to see a new one focused on cqb but not like carentan. I would let the devs cook if they ever wanted to add it though. on another note regarding the talk about leningrad on the other chat, the seige of leningrad was a major conflict of the war and hitler was obsessed about taking it, the seige had 3 million casualties and lasted around 3 1/2 years, it was apart of operation barbarossa heres a link to the wiki (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Leningrad)

The Siege of Leningrad was a prolonged military siege undertaken by the Axis powers and co-belligerent Finland against the Soviet city of Leningrad (present-day Saint Petersburg) on the Eastern Front of World War II. Germany's Army Group North advanced from the south, while the German-allied Finnish army invaded from the north and completed the ...

candid osprey
twilit frigate
# candid osprey Berlin would be extremely unique having it be a major city center and capitol of...

On Grodno map stuff requires only 1 Heavy tank for Soviets KV-2, some DLC uniforms and just map. It’s more easily to do than get a full different map, I guess with Nathan also. It’s not necessarily, but if some equipment and stuff needed to be added on this map - it’s not the problem. And for example for Berlin it’s gonna take a full rework of all two factions + map. On Grodno or Demyansk it doesn’t need to rework of factions.

  • all the DLC for Berlin gonna be locked for other maps, so or it’s not must be as DLC, just for free
kindred zealot
candid osprey
kindred zealot
twilit frigate
# candid osprey Grodno would need new assets as well.

I've found some assets are already in the game , they looks 95% close , as Church, or village houses , we have already this church and houses in the game. but most streets is on the same ( 2-3 floors houses, they can duplicate them ), + i think for field area, they can take assets from other maps. Yes most individual assets are needed , like some houses in the middle of the town, 2 bridges

serene token
twilit frigate
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P.S. Enlisted has already dropped eastern front map - Rzhev . It’s pretty similar to Grodno map. Developers, give us Rzhev or Grodno or some urban maps for eastern front !
Squad 44 also made Eastern front maps

quaint dome
kindred zealot
viscid shale
twilit frigate
kindred zealot
# twilit frigate But in comparison - tons of content coming every week/month to Enlisted & Squad4...

I mean yeah, its sad. S44 has a very active modding community, Enlisted is from a big studio with lots of money. HLL has a small amount of devs and less money. I hope they now find a good way reducing the bugs and implementing new content for current factions. I am Not asking for something like the Pacific. Just give us good maps made from existing assets with equipment and factions already in the game, but no more US. We need Soviet now. Demyansk, Grodno, Mga, Narva, Tarnopol,… Those maps would be cool to see
@viscid shale I dont know, I havent played it yet

quaint dome
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Also if we get Grodno, we can get **KV-2 ** tank 152 MM which will be very good, and Mortars

twilit frigate
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Maps looks empty in HLL, only sometimes some local skirmishes on the map or in offensive sometimes when 100 players fight on 1 point. We need to get Grodno, Rzhev map , it’s very good for combat, I think will be lots of concentration of infantry inside the town , if add these maps, most of the players will be in the town and it will have most intense battles inside.
Here some photos of Rzhev (Enlisted) , how it can looks like , the map the same, and some photos of AI , how it can be in HLL.

halcyon elm
quaint dome
# halcyon elm German Blow up convoy on the outskirts of the map would be fantastic<:emoji_HLLC...

I would love to see them add something like a destroyed convoy and I’ve been asking for it for a while, if they did Rzhev I think it would be cool not to just focus on the city but on the country side surrounding it, something similar to Kursk just a lot more compact and Brutal feeling, with big makeshift trench lines and fields of dead convoys and soldiers covering the area, Rzhev was one of the worst battles on the eastern front and it would be cool if they almost portrayed it in a ww1 ish snowy setting like the real battle was fought in

twilit frigate
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List of Tanks which can be in Grodno map:
Soviets:
KV-2 , T-34, BT-7 , T28. ( All photos I have , I can confirm them, these tanks are in Grodno in 1941 on photos)
Some aerostats were near Grodno ( Anti-Aircraft like on Utah beach or Omaha )
Soviet weapons :
AVS-36 (Automatic rifle)
Stationary MG’s
Also mortars will be good addition. Somebody said no tanks were in 1941, no tanks…
For balance for Germans can be added Flak guns against 152mm KV-2 tank, and 88-MM flaks on a truck.
(KV-2 on photo - near Grodno)
( The church, Grodno map, AI generated , how it can be in HLL, 90% of aesthetics of this map)

twilit frigate
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I just leave it here .

kindred zealot
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They look great, are there some for Demyansk too?

twilit frigate
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AI has created the View of Grodno , and some photos implemented into Unreal Engine 4

twilit frigate
# quaint dome That’s stuff is goofy looking

Yea , it’s AI , nvm, so I don’t know , just wanted to look how it’s gonna be on UE4 engine. Some real photos : German cemetery WW1 at the outskirts of Grodno, also here was battle in WW1, outskirts and Nieman river . + aerostat
But in the game it wouldn’t be goofy I think. And normally we need 1 urban eastern front map 100% ( some assets as we can see are already in hell let loose )

twilit frigate
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( the most assets and area close to Grodno map , it’s Rzhev )

low lynx
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twilit frigate
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In my opinion , better to get not the map with the famous name and bad area with bad gameplay. Better to get the map with cool landscape and town, where will be interesting to fight.
@kindred zealot Yes but when people will open it, and test , they will get good rewards and be happy. And with cool name , in the moment they open it, they will get bad rewards and lots of arguing topics about the map quality and choice.
In Grodno was a huge tank battle, it was famous battles, Demyansk pocket also was important and famous on the eastern front.

  • as for historians over 400+ photos I have found about Grodno map in 1941. And lots of historical notes, maps , documents , for example. It’s not infamous village somewhere , it’s a town with massive fortifications as towers , + were battles here in WW1 and in WW2 , for example. If we talk or ask about some small village to add, it’s another talk.
kindred zealot
jovial mountain
twilit frigate
# jovial mountain Grodno yes 1939! Poland vs Russians

It was a battle in 1941 also , tank battle and Soviet Counter offensive 22-26 June 1941. But actually you right , if they gonna add Polish faction in 1 moment, they can use the same map with same assets, with very little changes and just put another factions.

kindred zealot
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Hopefully they add Poland

halcyon elm
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# halcyon elm I would want Grodno (1939) to be the map for the Polish forces but they said tha...

better to get Grodno 1941 map for Soviets & Germans , and with little rework when Poland will be added , add Polish faction on this map. I think the difference will be minimal if make 2 variations of this map. In Grodno was a huge battle in 1941, and also a tank battle. It was part of Soviet-Counter offensive and German global offensive. In WW1 battle was also here.
P.S. Over 3000+ tanks were used by both sides near Grodno in 1941
Full list of versions of this map:
1939 Polish & Soviets
1941 Soviets counter offensive & German offensive
1944 winter Soviet offensive ( 1944 version isn’t a good version- most of the area in 1944 were destroyed, most of the buildings were not existed in 1944, just ruins )
WW1? ( No , HLL is only about WW2 )
It will be a good mix of urbanity and countryside on the Eastern front. random points in warfare can take us to the town and to the fields area, from forest to town, from town to village , and from village to fields. Left side of this map - countryside, and the mostly right side of this map - it’s Grodno.
Also will be interesting to have fight for the bridges which are in down of the map, two sides between this river - to across it , while fighting, and after fight in urban areas, coming throw this town, and after get to the left part of this map to get battle on the ravine and wheat fields + forest on the left side is on the hills, good addition for AT guns and spotters, to look at the town and outskirts.

rigid sun
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I think they should use late war scenarios for Eastern Front. Early war doesn't fit german and soviet army vehicles and weapons.

Possible scenarios would be e.g. Pommern, Berlin, Leningrad, Karapten, Orel, Seelow Heights. Kursk, Basically most areas that were part of the front after 1943...

another city that was quite nice was Constanta in Romania, and Belgorod.
Would also be an option to include Romanian or Hungarian Army as Axis forces

kindred zealot
# rigid sun I think they should use late war scenarios for Eastern Front. Early war doesn't ...

They said they would do 1942-43 battles mostly, so it is set in different and unique map locations compared to the western front. That’s the best setting I think
@candid osprey That’s what they said on release, there will be 4 maps set in 1942-43. I know this was BM, but I like this idea because it will feel different than a 1944/45 western front. It would have different vehicles, map settings different from western or Central Europe, and would portray interesting battles which are barely represented in video games. Nevertheless, they could still do maps like Narva or Tarnopol, because they would use the same equipment as the current maps. I think they should add another two 1942/43 maps first, they already have assets and equipment for them. The Eastern Front wasn’t just Berlin, 1945. Just because it was iconic irl, it doesn’t mean it’s a good map in the game. El Alamein was important and is a well known battle, but the map ingame is horrible. There should be always a balance between how well known or iconic the battle is, and how well a map in this setting would play. It’s not as simple as in BF or CoD to create maps or balanced factions in this game
@twilit frigate We already have SME on the eastern front (Kharkov), but most people don’t like it, and I don’t even get why😂

candid osprey
twilit frigate
# rigid sun I think they should use late war scenarios for Eastern Front. Early war doesn't ...

They used vehicles in common in early scenarios. Especially on the east, from both sides. In Grodno only I have counted more than 7 models of Soviet tanks from light to heavy. With out German ones. I can’t post all those photos for some reasons, but hundreds of vehicles was on Grodno photos of early front 1941. Tanks I have counted 7 models , for German I have counted also lots of vehicles and tanks. In June 26 ,1941 Soviet used all those tank to counter offensive to Germans. Found some info about 1941, and photos of Grodno , you will understand that it was bigger than Normandy 10X. Biggest ambushes of vehicles , and guns also were different. It doesn’t mean that 1941 that it’s bad stuff. It is. AVT-36 for Soviets , Mosin rifles which already included. For Germans - MP38 and MP40, Kar98k with open sights and normal ones, G41. PPSh etc and PPS. PPD . Lots of MGs.
Also KV-2 and KV-1 Soviet heavy tanks which are 152 MM gun, and BT-7 , T-28 tanks on most photos of Grodno 1941.
Pz 4 for Germans in different versions (G) (E). Flaks, different trucks , motorcycles in Grodno were in June 1941.
Soviet forces tried to get back Grodno by using all tank and infantry regiments which were nearby.
And 3000+ tank counts near the Grodno means much. It’s bigger than Normandy or France battles. Also in late WW2 , Belgium - were just the lack of different tanks which survived. In early front were mostly new tanks and in bigger count. Cause it was starting of it.
@kindred zealot
In early front they used the same weapons. After 1941 they just reworked previous and it’s just a different models, which difference will not feels so much.
Also in 1939 before all those new guns were tested in frontline. After it’s massively goes on the east and were brutal and cruel battles with big amount of downed tanks and people.
And something like Saint Mere Eglise but on the eastern front would be perfect , like Grodno. This opinion is totally wrong about early WW2

twilit frigate
# rigid sun I think they should use late war scenarios for Eastern Front. Early war doesn't ...

12.000 tanks from German side were in 1941.
1600 Soviets tanks
In Normandy were ONLY 2000 tanks on German side. And most of them were taken from Eastern front.
6+ millions of soldiers on German side.
3.5+ Millions of soldiers on Soviet side.
Above 40.000 of mortars, AA, anti tanks guns on German side in June 1941.
50.000 of mortars AA, anti tank guns on Soviet side in June 1941.
Most of offensive started from huge air attack and huge count of artillery’s shells.
And the answer was a huge defensive operations.
And why people think and knows only about Normandy , the most intense and bloody battles were in 1941. And most of the tanks and stuff were used on maximum.
It’s totally wrong opinion that in early front were nothing. If were nothing, how offensive could start in that way. Cause in western education people learn less about this, they learn about D Day and pacific mostly. So they couldn’t even know that. But check the information ℹ️ on facts which you can learn.
So, I think adding the maps in HLL with interesting landscapes and new vehicles and stuff like Grodno map, would be cool.
KV-2 heavy Tank 152 MM. For example.
Against it for balance can be added tank destroyers - Stugs and Jagdpanzers, which were in Common in 1941.
15 cm sIG 33 Sfl. auf Pz.Kpfw.I Ausf B for balance , it’s 150 mm.
So only little part of whole tank battalions came after losing 50% of tanks - to Normandy and after the less - to Belgium and other battles.
Normandy 1944 maps its only 50% of eastern front vehicles and tanks , and in the game it’s much less

halcyon elm
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Let’s just hope that they are going to do something good with the Soviets next year. emoji_SOVEmblemSilhouette

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kindred zealot
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The KV2 wont really fit in this game

quaint dome
twilit frigate
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Orginal maps

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wispy sand
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Demyansk is a cool map I'd like to see in the game as well, but I am not too sure about Grodno. I have done some research and haven't found any source that there happened a big battle there, if there was any battle and the town wasn't steamrolled it was a small skirmish. Don't get me wrong, this is the kind of map we need in the game, but they should add a better known battle because a battle that no one knowns if it even happened in the first place won't really help this game. We need good maps set in wellknown locations. For a 1941 battle, they should add Dubno-Luzk-Rivne, Smolensk, Kyiv, Raseniai, Bryansk, Moshaisk, Mednoye, maybe even somethig like Moscow or Leningrad outskirts. Other battles for 1942 onwards could be Kholm, Rzhev, Mga, Donbass, Narva Tarnopol, Orsha, Courland, and finally Berlin

twilit frigate
# wispy sand Demyansk is a cool map I'd like to see in the game as well, but I am not too sur...

https://belarusenc.by/temy/belarusinsecwar/589/
It was counter offensive of Soviets, and it were first days of WW2 German offensive on the eastern front. The map like Grodno have normal urban combat and cool area for tank/infantry gameplay. It was not like skirmish, here lots of photos of WW2 ( 1941,1939,1944 battles) and WW1 battles. It was a battle , they returned after they left town, they returned 24 June 1941 and did counter offensive , with tanks. Few infantry regiments. So why it was huge battles and known, cause it was in June 1941 when were chaos on the east and fast German offensive. And I guess , all maps have you suggested - also good. But first part of offensive should also be represented, cause it was the biggest offensive ever.

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https://oldgrodno.by/main.php?g2_itemId=958

wispy sand
twilit frigate
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It was part battle of Belyastock

wispy sand
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Then the map should be called Białystok, the people can't imagine an image in their head when hearing "Battle of Grodno", because it is too unknown and part of a larger battle. They have done the same with Kharkiv

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twilit frigate
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Over 2000 KM. double pockets and more than 3 countries on 1 photo.

low sequoia
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Need maps not only desert and Normandy but also urban maps with battles on the streets in urban areas. The map of Grodno is suitable for this. EG clan

heady wren
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Honestly, this is really good idea. I think, eastern front has big potential in HLL. But we have very few maps on this side of front.

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autumn prairie
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Nice

wicked grail
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Nice idea, I think, it can be good analogue to smdm, but on eastern front. Also it's a good chance to add new Soviet heavy tank like KV-1 (on which Kolobanov destroyed 22 German's tanks in one battle) and German medium PZ. Kpfw. 3

lethal bear
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emoji_HLLCommendation Great idea, imo

native sparrow
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Nice idea👍🏻

kindred zealot
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Do you have a better idea?
@twilit frigate That’s not even possible sadly. Why don’t you do it yourself when it’s so easy? There will be good content for this game, hopefully these maps and Suomi🇫🇮

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nah

kindred zealot
# twilit frigate nah

We are still missing a map set in the Taiga, which captures the feeling of fighting in a wooden, icy hell. Demyansk is perfect for it

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this chouldbe amazing

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left phoenix
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emoji_HLLCommendation Russian faction has so much potential, shame that the maps for it are poorly optmized and lack any sort of urban fighting

twilit frigate
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I hope 2025 we will get 1 , or better 2 maps of eastern front, lots of potential

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twilit frigate
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⬆️ hope to see eastern front map

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twilit frigate
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In Grodno was a big tank battle. Soviets used tank battalions to make counter offensive. All photos there were taken in Grodno and outskirts.
BT-7, T-28, T-34, KV-2, BT-2, BA64 and KV-1

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DemyanskHLLCommendation Grodno❌

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kindred zealot
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Demyansk: New Soviet map

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Grodno and Demyansk: New Soviet maps

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The Battle of Brody 23–30 June 1941
was a major battle on the Eastern Front during World War II, where German forces led by the 1st Panzer Group clashed with Soviet forces in Ukraine. It resulted in a German advance deeper into the middle front. The Soviets deployed over 3500 tanks, while the Germans had around 750 tanks, the Soviets ultimately suffered heavy losses and were unable to stop the German advance. The battle is notable for its intense tank warfare and the involvement of several Soviet mechanized corps.
Germans:

1st Panzer Group Kleist: 3, 14, and 48 Motorized Corps (5 Panzer and 4 Motorized Divisions) 29 Army Corps), infantry divisions of the 6th and 17th Field Armies.

According to various estimates, the strike force consisted of more than 720-800 tanks. Some of the tanks were command tanks (without serious armament) and light T-1 and T-2 tanks with 20-mm cannons and machine guns. Which supported of intense attacks of air forces.

Soviets:

The 9th Mechanized Corps (20th and 35th Tank, 131st Motorized Divisions) had about 300 T-26, BT tanks and light T-37/38 tanks, 70 armored vehicles.

The 15th Mechanized Corps (10th, 37th Tank and 212th Motorized Divisions) was located in the area of ​​the city of Brody.

15th Mechanized Corps:

(10th, 37th Tank and 212th Motorized Divisions)

It consisted of over 33000 men, over 730 tanks (including about 130 T-34 and KV) and 150 armored vehicles.

8th Mechanized Corps

12th, 34th Tank and 7th Motorized Divisions

Ryabyshev's Corps:

consisted of over 30000 men, 932 tanks like T-34 with L-11 gun , KV-1 and 172 armored vehicles.

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HLLCommendation 1939 map could be the full for offensive mode

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1939

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Need more gweher

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Demyansk: New Soviet map