More British and Russian Maps

[fallen onyx]

There are 11 US maps with 1 more on the way yet only 2 British and 3 Russian maps in the game. Please focus on adding more maps for the other factions and bridging that huge gap.

[naive surge]

I want Caen and one of the British D-Day beaches. Back in 2017, the original founder of the game, Max, said that Caen would be one of the first British maps to be added. Hope the new devs will do this.

[ornate acorn]

Tobruk is rumored to come after Elsenborn ridge

[scenic cypress]

Where do you have that info from?

[cyan sierra]

You mean Sword Beach, Caen was 10 miles south of the beach. The battle of Caen is overdue is it was the longest Normandy Operation that lasted until July.

[naive surge]

What do you mean by 'you mean Sword Beach'? I never said I specifically wanted sword, I would of been just as fine with Gold Beach instead. And yes, I know where Caen was....

[cyan sierra]

@naive surge My eyes must be trippin, I read your post referencing Caen as a Beach.

[balmy rock]

[naive surge]

All good

[vivid granite]

add the battle of seelow heights for teh russians,

yes it's because i played cod world at war

[scenic cypress]

We want NARVA!!!

[ornate acorn]

Berlin, Rhzev, Seelow Hieghts, winter Stalingrad, Barbarossa maps

[scenic cypress]

Don’t forget Narva, Leningrad or Courland, the northern part of the Eastern front is barely represented in video games

[atomic plume]

Odessa, Sevastopol, Kiev,

[odd valve]

Budapest

[late hemlock]

I feel like it's such an obvious map, add Dunkirk for the British vs. Germans

[ornate acorn]

Why do so many people want dunkirk?? It was an evacuation, not a battle, so many better options to add more maps for the Brit’s: Caen, sword beach, Anzio, Salerno, maps vs Italy like Tunisia, and operation compass maps

[fickle vine]

mfw people just name drop random places and think that would make for good maps.

[proper hedge]

Poland and Finland!

[tired zenith]

"Max, said that Caen would be one of the first British maps"
Max said a lot of things
More British and Soviet maps are very much needed
Easiest for brits is the beaches Sword and Gold, and Caen with a bit more effort.
Soviets could do with more stalingrad maps especially a snowy one

[floral flare]

The soviet maps and weaponry are grim I rather see Italian front or more British/ American then them or even French

[scenic cypress]

They are great, in this kind of game, there are no bad weapons or maps. Learn to work with them

[tired zenith]

Soviet weapons are far from grim imo
they're actually pretty good. the only one I'd say is terrible is the 1819 mosin for standard issue Rifleman, because A: it has no place in the game historically since its a ww1 rifle, and B: the sights are probably the worst of any rifle.
The issue with the soviets its not with their weapons but with the Germans
Black Matter rebalanced the Germans to make them more symmetrical with the Americans because people kept whining about the M1 Garand being OP compared to the Kar98k. So as a result the Germans get a disproportionate ammount of semi autos and full autos compared to the Soviets.
So really the german loadouts need a rebalance, and particularly have the loadouts different on the eastern front maps to make them more balanced against the soviets

TLDR: Its not the russian weapons which are bad, the Germans are just balanced against the Americans so they tend to have the advantage over the russians

[sturdy quarry]

Dunkirk!

[ornate acorn]

Dunkirk was an evacuation not a battle. Do your research. If the French forces were added than maybe but no Brit vs Germany. Waste of a map slot

[odd valve]

We need tobruk or some

[floral flare]

The mosin is fine on console the ppsh is awful on pc it's probably alright cos it's easier to control, there's no good automatic weapons for the soviets on console, no stg or mp40 or mg42 competition

[scenic cypress]

The devs should evaluate which maps make sense

[scenic cypress]

Every map should feel unique. They should iconic battles, yes, but it does not make sense if they just pick some locations just because they were iconic, but are too similar to other maps ingame. There are enough opportunities to implement iconic battles, but still providing a unique experience

[cold oriole]

[lethal granite]

PPSH with the box mag isn’t too bad.

[floral flare]

It's good short range is completly outclassed by mp40 at range

[lyric locust]

[scenic cypress]

Then switch to the Mosin

[odd marlin]

British maps are not bad although I would rather russian maps for sure

[floral flare]

Outclassed by g43

[scenic cypress]

Then use the SVT40? The G43 is not that common, you'll most likely fight against a Kar98 or MP40. The Russian maps and weapons are great, you just have to know how to work with them

[floral flare]

The svt can only be used by officers, furthermore you are on pc

[scenic cypress]

Wrong, Assault and Support can use it too

[floral flare]

Fair enough I don't have them classes leveled up

[inner cedar]

Caen for sure needs to in the game and Pegasus bridge would be cool. some more British normandy maps in general

[scenic cypress]

Oops. They should add more eastern front, there are too many Normandy maps, and wie want to see something different

[floral flare]

The Normandy maps play far better than the eastern front maps aside from the beach areas. Eastern front maps are full of trenches and very large fields with little to no cover which becomes extremely easy for defender, same goes for the snow map where the forests leading up to points don't have leaves so you can just massacre everyone, the trenches also make supply truck driving miserable and at guns op. Unless there was a far different overall design philosophy in these maps which require far less skill to play then I would be opposed to more of them

[scenic cypress]

This game is literally about this aspect, in contrast to e.g. COD. The maps are great, you just have to know how to work with them. It's not about running and gunning, it's about a strategy, tactical movement and planning coordinated attacks whilst communicating. This won't obviously work if you see this game as a "Hardcore-COD". If you learn how to play these maps, they become much better. And everyone is bored of Normandy, because we ave so many maps in this setting. There should be something new. This game is not only about Normandy. This game requires skill, but I hope that they add an eastern front map which is similar to the Normandy maps, so it gets played more often. Just master the tactics, and it will be better. @floral flare Because I do not want to wait: Yes, it's different on console. Hardcore COD is not a reference to a game, it's an explanation that you have to play this game differently. If you want to play Normandy 24/7, do it. But 98% of the community are tired of these maps, do not complain about trenches or open fields in a WW2 game, and they want to see more Eastern Front maps. Don't ruin it for us. The server browser on console will arrive soon, then you can pick your maps, and avoid "bad" Eastern Front.

[floral flare]

Mate I'm not bad at eastern front maps the maps themselves have a reduced skill gap and I understand the game is far different on pc and why it is easy to better combat the issues but the fact is you will not go into a console lobby and expect more than 2 people to be speaking, you don't or rarely ever find support players let alone a 2 support drop. Also I never played hard-core cod so I do not understand the reference, I have played this game since it released on console, I personally value good map/ game design over immersion/ setting / realism and why I back out any time I see el alemain

[whole python]

Dunkirk, Leningrad, Moscow, Midway, Tokyo. How about the sinking of the USS Indianapolis and have sharks vs US navy.

[odd valve]

Battle of midway would be crazy good

[valid sigil]

How?

[abstract temple]

Only if I can have the wardaddy haircut as the sharks

[whole python]

Everyone would just spawn in and drown immediately.

[dawn cargo]

Team 17 will release 99999 cosmetic dlc and more bugs before we get any new content

[odd marlin]

Bro I have a feeling you are a low level....that's the while point-of-sale the eastern front...it's supposed to be tough.how are you complaining about it being easy for defender. Obviously that's part of war.

[floral flare]

I've played since release and I'd rather have good game design over "realism"

[tired zenith]

bad take eastern front maps are great

[scenic cypress]

That's why you are on X-Box XD. I play since 2020, and the theatre of war has nothing to do with good level design. No one prefers PHL to Kharkov. Just because you can't adapt the neccessary tactics and gameplay style doesn't mean the maps are bad

[floral flare]

That is a false assumption, I cannot remember the last time I have lost of defence on offensive or on warfare on the map, it is painfully easy to play on these maps. This may be different on pc to console

[scenic cypress]

This message just tells me you do not have any plan how this game works. The maps play the same on PC and console, I tested it myself. If PHL is „painfully easy“ to play for you, you should have less of a problem with eastern front maps or trucks getting stuck. I just can repeat myself. Adapt to the game and learn the tactics, you‘ll need them. This is not Battlefield, and a serious advice from a veteran who wants to help people enjoy and master the game. If you do not want the eastern front, don‘t play the maps. Just don‘t ruin it for everyone Else

[floral flare]

First your first sentence makes no sense I am not the games developer. If you play on console then pls send on your user. Secondly you have provided 0 serious advice. Thirdly I am level 105 and know how to play the game, I am a level 10 commander and officer. Lastly I do not "ruin" the game for anyone, I have never been vote kicked from a lobby, build nodes, spawn points, engineer defenses etc. Also I would suggest that people like you ruin the game through your condescending nature. You speak of "tactics" as if I'm some idiot who suddenly doesn't know how to play a map all of a sudden. In any fps game you will find there will be maps more liked than others in my opinion the Normandy maps all plan far better than the Russian ones 👍

[tepid terrace]

Hey hey hey ain't nobody standing ten toes down on a B unless it's Tony Mack. Yall quit her fussing and get back to selling that muffin for Tony mack h ooooo

[scenic cypress]

You can get to lvl105 pretty easily. I do not have an ID, because I played on a friends PS5.
What I mean by ruining is that you are so strongly against Eastern Front maps. They play different, but you can learn to play them. Almost the whole community has enough of Normandy, we want to see something different. You can just skip them if you do not like them. If you are against them, you won‘t get a new map thats fitting for your playstyle, but on the eastern front. Just skip them, if you don‘t like them, or else, be quiet

[floral flare]

No lol? Wym skip maps as if there's some sort of private servers where you can make your map rotations

[scenic cypress]

Just get out of the server and start playing on a new one? The Eastern Front is rarely played on console

[floral flare]

Yeah mate if I'm playing with a squad I'll just ask them all to leave and organise a new squad until we find a good map 👍

[mortal thorn]

[scenic cypress]

I the Eastern Front was that bad, they would happily leave with you... thank god you are getting a server browser

[ornate acorn]

For British map ideas as I stated in a post similar to this I chose:
Arnhem
Caen
Sword beach

New Theatre - Mediterranean
Anzio
Salerno

Vs Italy (Axis)
Operation compass (battle of the camps
Tunisia (British 8th army vs Italian 1st army

[odd marlin]

On pc it's war, people fight tooth and nail.

[scenic cypress]

Yes, but he does not understand that and sees HLL as a more hardcore Battlefield, and complains because he is not able to adapt and learn. He complains about getting stuck with a truck in a trench

[floral flare]

No I don't lmao and literally all you do is complain

[scenic cypress]

You complain about a simple obstacle which is not a big deal, its a problem for you leaving a server or playing a kind of map that requires a different playstyle than running and gunning. You complain about tactics in a game which is designed around using and adapting to those tactics. And you are crying like a child if someone just asks for the eastern front

[floral flare]

Complete lies again, keep going 👍

[static vortex]

[scenic cypress]

This comes from a guy who has a problem with walking down stairs, insults other people and flexes like a little kid with his "skill". It's just embarrassing. Read here: #1255116839462244433 message

[hollow stump]

Let's get the Canadians in with Juno. A very different style of dday beach

[floral flare]

*lies intensify

[scenic cypress]

No, I have evidence. If you need help understanding or playing this game, I am happy to provide. But do not insult other people, or deny the fact that you have had a problem with those stairs. Stop behaving like a little child

[floral flare]

You must have poor comprehensive skills aswell them by the looks of things

[scenic cypress]

Actually, I do have good skills. This is just one example of many. I think this game is not for you, if such things are an serious issue to you.
And no, your level doesn‘t say anything at how good you are at this game. Maybe you‘re good at killing, but neglect other, more important things. And you cannot even argue properly or respond properly, because you don‘t even read the messages. Not everything can be the way you want it to be, thats life. If a kid like you doesn‘t understand that, you will soon, trust me

[floral flare]

*makes unfounded assumptions once again which have been addressed a million times to him

[gusty pond]

Finnish winter war

[grizzled oak]

"Suggestions" yet here we have two adult children stuck in a pointless arguement

[scenic cypress]

There would be no discussion if some people here would know the game or know how to behave

[thorny hearth]

One of the two uses his kd or his "skill" in this game as a counter arguement. Thats so much worse than anything the other one could have said.

But yes it pointless to argue with a child like that...

[floral flare]

I'm usually accused by a couple of individuals in random threads that I comment in making false accusations and telling me to stop playing the game

[whole python]

There is a difference bentween skill issue and objectively bad map design. Someone should look into this and develop some kind of formula or graph, kind of like the infamous F around and find out graph. In all seriousness, maps like Purple Heart Lane and Remagen are objectively bad and busted. Maps like Kursk and Karkov are actually pretty good maps unless you have the awareness of a potato, change my mind. I will admit that Stalingrad is pretty mid and could use some improvements.

[jade vine]

😂

[scenic cypress]

Yes, that was my point. The Russian maps require a different tactic, but i‘ll always prefer them over PHL or Remagen

[floral flare]

Remagen is bad I don't agree with purple heart Lane being a bad map

[tired zenith]

I havent played PHL that much to really have a strong opinion on it
I dont actually mind it that much since its something atleast a little unique to the rest of the Normandy maps that have gotten to the point of being mind numbingly boring
the forest maps like hurtgen and hill just arent as fun due to the limited visibility
Carentan is unique for a normandy map with its large urban focus but is probably the worst running
I'd pick any british or soviet map over any american one in a heart beat just because its nice to play as or against another faction other than the yanks
and the americans on normandy has gotten quite stale

[whole python]

Your entitled to your opinion but not thinkning Purple Heart Lane is a bad map is an unpopular opinion. The water just makes it so constrictive for infantry and armor movement. It's also really easy for the defending team to set up absolutely disgusting choke points.

[odd marlin]

I honestly don't care if maps suck. Which some do, game is based on historical events and we have to accept this is how people fought irl.

[odd valve]

You get it : )

[floral flare]

I'd somehow rather not play utah beach where the enemy hold the 1st point with 10 mgs on the cliff while I attempt to run up the beach

[odd marlin]

Idk how it is for xbox but for pc most people have a mic and it gets fun hearing people scream as they storm the beach. Will say tho a good german team really makes the game a death fest when that map loads up and can get lame at times.

[queen river]

Op: more maps for existing factions to bridge the gap.

People in thread: more factionsss!

Woosh

[supple timber]

[fallen onyx]

Agreed. HLL devs need to finish fleshing out the British and Russian factions by giving them more maps to play on before focusing on anything new. We still only have 1 desert map, a new front, after a whole year of it being released. They made all those new assets, textures, factions, and vehicles for 1 map? Give me more of North Africa. Flesh out the Afrika Korps. Give them a Pz3, a Gewehr 41, a Beretta Model 38. So much more to do. 1 map after a whole year. Why did they focus on Mortain, which I like but why? Now they’re focusing on another Battle of the Bugle US map? Finish NORTH AFRICA. Finish the European British faction. Still only 1 map there too. It’s crazy. The choices the devs have made make no sense.

[blissful mica]

I want to see more densely urban maps like Carentan or the town area of SME, Stalingrad, etc. but they need to be really well made. Not just long hallways that force you down pre-defined paths. There needs to be a healthy amount of enterable buildings, back yards and allies to cut through, destroyed buildings to cut through, etc. as well as some elevation here and there to add some dimension to the battlefield. Then load it up with the little details that make HLL maps so impressive and believable. Bicycles, crumpled up rugs, dishes in sinks, abandoned vehicles, newspapers scattered around, etc.

[ornate acorn]

Berlin would fit this perfectly

[thorny hearth]

So true, maps like Cologne, Berlin or Leningrad would be so good.

[novel aurora]

Pegasus Bridge please

[brittle swallow]

Any Canadian map would be awesome

[scenic cypress]

Rhzev, Mednoye, Narva or something like that, a SME but on the Eastern Front, would be cool

[fallen onyx]

If I’m not mistaken, the Soviets made it to Berlin first, so Battle of Berlin be a perfect Russian faction map.

[odd marlin]

I'm all for more eastern maps

[jade vine]

But who was the first to reach Berlin?

The Jules Verne, a variant of the Farman F.220 of the French Naval Aviation, was the first Allied bomber to raid Berlin. On the night of 7 June 1940, it dropped eight bombs of 250 kg and eighty of 10 kg on the German capital.

I got curious who bombed berlin first and found out it was a single angry frenchman. Im going to spend the next 30 minutes researching this event.

[ornate acorn]

?

[tired zenith]

Whered these rumours come from if allowed to be spoken of in the server

[full dagger]

These rumors come from a dataminer, although I'm not sure if it can be spoken of here. Some people were sending leaks from the game files before and no one was held accountable just yet.

The finnish are long gone from the files, Tobruk just appeared in the most recent PTE. @scenic cypress

[scenic cypress]

The Finnish were also in the files, but haven‘t been added. Only because it‘s in the files doesn‘t make it an evidence

[whole python]

If you say it out loud then it won't happen.

[full dagger]

Well, the previous prediction (Elsenborn) which so happened to be revealed under IronHearts comment section did turn out to be real, didn't it? And it was 3 months before announcement.

Tho, I understand for some people to consider it a cap, I would be on the same boat too.

[jolly oyster]

100% need more British maps.

[supple timber]

We need more urban map

[rocky briar]

Just make a Battle for Brest. It follows mortain, and includes German paratroopers and elements of 2nd infantry, 8th, 29th, and rangers. Would make a good skirmish urban map for the devs to cut their teeth on.

Let them show they can make a minimal urban map first.

[scenic cypress]

No. There are more than enough urban settings on the Eastern Front

[lyric locust]

[rocky briar]

I would rather they work on a small urban map, and learn how to do it first than dedicate a battle of Berlin that is garbage.

[scenic cypress]

And thats what I meant... They know how to do urban maps, and there were battles in smaller towns on the eastern front too, Tarnopol, Narva, Demyansk, Kholm,... There is not the right equipment for Berlin yet, you would need IS2, T34/85 and Tiger 2

[full dagger]

Danzig was supposed to be that. We saw snippet of it when they announced the original roadmap when Poland and Finland were still on it.
Danzig is still in the game files, listed as Skirmish only map but it didn't have an update since many months now.

Finnish maps are gone.

Tobruk could potentially be a, sort of, urban map, since they directly attacked the town in 1942, which is the variant listed in the files.

We'll have to wait and see

[scenic cypress]

No Finnish maps in the files anymore?🥲

[full dagger]

Last time I checked I couldn't find them. Maybe they moved them somewhere else but again, I couldn't find them anymore.

[odd valve]

They have them. They even promised them...

[scenic cypress]

As I told you, they have abandoned the Roadmap, so I am not sure if we‘ll ever get them

[full dagger]

The reason why the finnish are a big question mark, is possibly due to the fact, that both locations they picked were either wrong or uninteresting.

They may or may not have done so with these maps to change them to a more popular and accurate locations.

[naive surge]

For Urban maps will be good Grodno, on Eastern front. It’s like Saint Mere Du Mont , but on East

[ornate acorn]

Berlin would be better as a full on urban map, not on small section of the map having some buildings

[frosty relic]

Berlin would be epic if they gave all the buildings insides and stuff, it would be cool to see a urban combat map that’s not just a meat grinder like the carentan streets, similar to how they did it in the city streets of Mortain

[scenic cypress]

We do not have 1945 equipment, it is not unique compared to a town in Eastern Europe, and Grodno or other maps would be easier and thus quicker to make

[naive surge]

• Berlin only urban, Eastern front combined countryside + urban

[frosty relic]

idk it basically feels like we have no urban maps except carentan and the russian side of stalingrad, i think they should start with berlin next and expand outwards to more maps in russia, the weapons really didnt change much for the germans in berlin and the russians had like one new submachine gun that would be worth adding, and even then they have too many submachine guns. I think berlin would also draw in a lot more players who want to experience it, as ive said there hasnt been that many games including it besides enlisted in the past few years

[ornate acorn]

What are you trying to say here? 😂 Berlin would be a perfect full on urban map

@scenic cypress Berlin is not unique??? Reichstag? Chancellor Area? And I hope you’re aware 1945 equipment can be implemented. That same argument can be made for 1941 maps

[scenic cypress]

It will be less unique than a map set in the Soviet Union itself. Other maps could be delivered quicker.
They should introduce Berlin at some point, but they should do other battles first, so Berlin is the final battle, as in real life. They planned this last year, and in my opinion, it’s a great concept.
Regarding full urban maps, I like them, but not as much as maps which contain both. A great full urban map could be Smolensk in 1941 or 1943

[barren karma]

yeah you can go an entire evening and not see one of these factions.

[naive surge]

Would have lots of assets and have lots of issues, we need to start from 1941. + Berlin requires lots of equipment + factions . As I remember, on Mortain when we get the Uniform DLC we also got requests from people about “Make it available on all maps”. Also stuff we gonna get on Berlin gonna be available on all maps? Also we gonna hear another lots of topics about balance and bad map, and getting bad marks for this game in Steam/ Playststion?

[frosty relic]

I feel like it would be super unique, having a map just for urban combat, like it’s something we haven’t seen in the game before, there are plenty of super open ones especially for the Russians and I think it’s not to much to ask for just one, I really would like to see the other Russian maps and battles but this just feels like this should be first on the list since it has been requested so much lately, hopefully it would be worth the wait though, but I do definitely agree on the other map ideas you guys have been talking about, I think we can all agree a Russian map overhaul is definitely needed

[jolly oyster]

[karmic badger]