#re work this game lol

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last flame
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Which guns in particular need better sounds, and from which perspective? Also, do you think you could elaborate more on tank penetration? A medium sherman is having a hard time pent a tiger or a panther in game

thorn halo
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There are definitely a lot of things that need work, but I hate how people constantly act like this is somehow impossible

A 76MM Sherman was more than capable of punching through the front plate of a Tiger unless it's angled.
It's also capable of penetrating the turret ring, cheeks and also the mantlet in some cases of a Panther, so please don't subscribe to the myth that the big cats were invulnerable front on against American tanks. There's a reason why in game the 75 can't pen either, because they couldn't. But a 76 by all means could

full siren
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Another Wehraboo ... Agree on the pathing issues of tanks, though..
But really, idk what you expect? Reality isn't the best partner when it comes to fun really. Games need to be fun, not realistic.

tawny flare
dire salmon
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76mm Sherman could easily pen the front of a tiger, and the mantlet of the panther

tawny flare
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Most definetly could not, even the 76s had to get around back. Idk where you’re getting your info from but is wrong. At certain angles they could and they’d have to be close. And I wouldn’t say easily.

wary sedge
thorn halo
# tawny flare Most definetly could not, even the 76s had to get around back. Idk where you’re ...

You've buried your head so far into German tank myths that it's incredibly sad.
Ever heard of this super cool thing called High Velocity Armor Piercing, or HVAP for short?
Towards the end of the war, Sherman crews started to recieve them or even take them from TD units because of this one really cool thing, it could pen the flat front plate of a Tiger I from over 1000m away.
But, if that's not enough, the standard rounds used with the 76 had a chance to pen the front plate at a max of 600m.
Now, this is the last thing I'll say, if you have that much of a hard-on for German technical superiority then please enjoy your time in War Thunder, where you can live out your Wehraboo fantasy of actual armor mechanics forever and ever.

After looking into it again, I believe the reason so many of these myths exist is due to the performance of the M62A1 projectile, which due to a large cavity for the explosive filler had the tendency to simply shatter on contact with a Tigers armor or detonate prematurely, but since failures will probably never be modeled into any game, I doubt that can be included as a factor

tawny flare
thorn halo
# tawny flare Where’s the proof and evidence of this? I’d love to see it

Unfortunately the Americans weren't really interested in driving their propaganda machines like Germany was when it came to tank aces, and so account's are difficult to come by, but what I can find are these:

119 Battery claimed a Tiger near Gavrus on 29 June 1944. The same day Sergeant Wolley of 21st Anti-tank Regiment manoeuvred his M10 to within 200 yards of what his MM recommendation describes as a Tiger tank which he knocked out with his first shot.

10,July Hill 112

10 SS Panzer Division, concerned that they might lose the key to their position, committed the Tiger tanks of 102 SS Heavy Tank Battalion and stopped the advance on the crest line. Sgt Cummings, No 1 of an M10 of 86th Anti-tank Regiment was asked to assist 7th RTR deal with this new threat:

“I was told by a sergeant from the tanks that they had a problem for me to sort out. Four Churchills had been knocked out by a Tiger and that was hull down a few hundred yards away. So I recced the way forward, decided the range was 400 yards, went back and under cover gave orders to the driver and layer. We went out steadily and the layer spotted it right away. I gave the order to fire and we got the Tiger with first shot. We went back but were later called forward to have a go at some machine guns nests that were holding up the infantry.”

The M10s of 340 Battery rendered valuable assistance to the infantry, some giving close support, others standing back and destroying targets as they appeared. K Troop on the right flank destroyed two Tigers, a Mk IV and a recce car and L Troop on the left destroyed three Tigers and a Fw190.

From Eterville to Chateau de Fontaine the infantry and 17-pounders of 59th Anti Tank Regiment stood firm. Four or five Tigers were knocked out"

In the above account, it's not made clear whether the M10s mentioned are armed with the 76mm cannon or if they were the conversions armed with the 17 pounder, and so it's a bit foggy

I've also located this which is simply data

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wary sedge
# tawny flare Where’s the proof and evidence of this? I’d love to see it

Here’s a chart of Sherman 76 rounds penetration angled at 30 degrees. The frontal hull armor of a Tiger and certain spots in the Panthers mantlet are around 100mm and M93 HVAP easily goes through that at 30 degrees as seen in the chart. At flatter angles M62 could also go through since at 30 degrees it has 93mm of penetration. So instead of believing movies like Fury and Wehraboo propaganda, actually look into the info. 76mm guns could knock out Tigers and Panthers

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night osprey
tawny flare
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Not at all 😂 I have a friend of my great uncle who was in the 12th SS and all of what I beleive is from his personal accounts. He’s been deceased for some time now but he was a cool guy to talk to granted I was very young. His war stories he told of tank combat then was something else, he was in a tiger towards the end of the war.

coarse talon
grim stag
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It’s literally been proven that they can pen tigers

dapper dagger
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OP’s tank knowledge is the most amusing thing on this thread

proper rivet
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surely this is a troll right?

tawny flare
# coarse talon They brought actual evidence and then ur comeback is “I have a friend or my grea...

I’d believe someone who was there over what’s on the internet 😂 not to say that they couldn’t pen. They didn’t really have to worry about 76s until about 600m but if they angled which his accounts they did the chance of penetration was much lower. Obviously yes sides and rear it would go through no problem. But from his accounts they tried their best to be concealed and engage at ranges of about 1000m. Most of the time the allied tanks weren’t able to spot them in time, they’d pull back come up to another fire position and do the same. The one time they did get shot at by a 76 it was too far to do anything. He was also fighting the soviets after they pulled back from the Ardennes. Soviets didn’t really have much luck on them.

wary sedge