M1903A3 Springfield rifle for US Rifleman class

[woven birch]

M1903A3 Springfield rifle for US Rifleman class

[little lantern]

The only reason it was used after the mass production of the M1 Garand was because a grenade rifle adaptor wasn’t made for the Garand. By D-Day most to not all of the Springfields (Minus the A4) in service were replaced with the introduction of the M7 rifle grenade adaptor for the Garand. It was not widely used from 1944-45 except for marksmen. Also why would the standard issued infantry rifle be a level 3 loadout? That’s makes no sense

[forest flame]

[woven birch]

Was still used regardless and it brings more variety to the game. Besides a ton of stuff don't make sense in this game

[brittle shard]

Would be ok to add it but better wait till we see the USMC

[teal surge]

And those things that dont make sense in the game, should not be in the game. So why make the historical inaccuracies worse?

The m1903 should only be available to a pacific US marines faction on maps like Guadalcanal

[forest flame]

could maybe help balance a little bit bc everyone else uses bolt actions and the m1 is really op

[alpine torrent]

If the Garand is really OP then nerf it as well as the other semi-automatic rifles. Make reloading the Garand slightly slower, maybe with an added slap animation, which is sometimes required to load the Garand. Have the Gewehr 43 and SVT-40 load from stripper clips. Germany was in a bit of a pickle from 1943-45 and only issued 3 mags with every G43. The Soviets also only issued 3 mags with each SVT-40 but that was because every mag had to be hand fit to each rifle. 11 mags with the SVT-40 and the Gewhr 43 is just ludicrous.

[ancient thicket]

Plain and simple, this is a terrible idea. You want to not only totally eliminate one of the loadouts with a weapon that was used extensively in the ETO in the form of the M1 Carbine (yes I know it's bad, sue me) and make the standard issue rifle of the US Army in Europe a level 3 unlock.

Unless HLL decides to out of nowhere implement a game mode where you play as some kind of 3rd line unit or even a home guard/national guard formation, any model outside of the A4 as a scoped rifle has no place in the ETO.

[ebon forge]

maybe depending on how much pacific content we get they could do this for some early battles the pacific had think having thiss gun locked to certain maps would how this gun could be implemented

[forest flame]

idk why the gewehr 43 doesnt load with stripper clips, should be the default tbbh

[slender briar]

Here's a picture of a Springfield rifle being used offensively, probably Italy 1943 or North Africa 1942.

Good suggestion. Should be a higher level rifleman class than the M1 Carbine.

[woven birch]

Yeah true, a higher level would be better.

[rough crest]

Absolute waste of time

[harsh kindle]

It would be better off for a Pacific or Tunisian (American) Campaign

[left elbow]

Nah no need
Only should be added if there are any early war us maps added where it would actually make sense, or be an alternative loadout for the marines if the pacific is ever added.

[little lantern]

I mean… North African theator could mean a U.S. map or two… I swear each theator in ww2 needs it’s own game

[terse silo]

+1, Springfield saw service all around and even in france past 1944 in different roles. Would be nice to have a U.S bolt action for use infantry that like using bolt actions.

[little lantern]

Completely incorrect do not listen to this guy

[autumn smelt]

You’re right in that frontline Army units never used Springfields, but do you think it’d be okay if they gave it just to level 9 rifleman? Chances are, most people won’t play the game enough to level any class to level 9, and if they do, it almost certainly won’t be rifleman. Furthermore, the average player would see the Springfield as a straight downgrade to the Garand (which it is), so they probably won’t pick it anyway, even if they have it unlocked. This should lead to extremely minimal use of the Springfield, and should keep things relatively within the realm of realism, but will give the opportunity for those that are absolutely determined, to be able to use the Springfield if they worked for it.

Personally i wouldn’t mind a Springfield, because i’m a bolt-action main, but i’d understand if adding it was rejected on realism grounds.

[little lantern]

Mate I just spent like an hour arguing with some guy who had no idea what he’s talking about in #mess-hall but I’ll repeat my point. The Springfield was not a “frontline” weapon by Normandy. At the point (except for 1 exception) it had been delegated to rear echelon troops only. The only reason it would have been in the frontlines was with the rifle grenadier who either could not get the new M7 rifle grenade adaptor for the M1 or just preferred the 03’s configuration.
If they ever add in a Rifle Grenadier class then yes, add the Springfield as the base load-out with the Garand as a level 3 loadout with a longer reload time or something. As the game stands it makes no sense to add it in.
Also as you said it’s a straight downgrade so gameplay wise it makes absolutely no sense

@terse silo you gave 2 examples. I debunked and explained both of them and the things that you claim prove M1903’s were in masse frontline usage weren’t there and even helped prove my point so no, I did not give up trying. You just refused to listen.

[terse silo]

Capt can't handle being wrong very well, I just gave up trying about it.

It would be pretty nice to have it tho as an option especially for us bolt action fans. It saw the service even if it was scattered, no real reason not to add it.
Hopefully in the future it will be, We can only hope.

[stray sapphire]

I agree with the historical accuracy, but maybe make it level 6, since lvl 3 riflemen for the US is rather for close combat and a boltaction rifle complicate the encounter...
Or just give him a colt as a sidearm.

[alpine torrent]

It actually would make more sense that the G43 would use mags instead of clips than the SVT-40. If you had a G43 and you found a dead soldier with spare G43 mags then you could use those, with the SVT-40 if you tried to do the same thing, the mags probably wouldn't even fit in your rifle. German manufacturing > Soviet manufacturing.

[woven birch]

As the war went on, spare G43 mags became rare and soldiers were issued stripper clips. Besides, you were able to carry a lot more ammo

[terse silo]

Right about the svt-40. Earlier versions of the rifle specifically had the issue of the magazines falling out during fire.

[forest flame]

looks badass