The 1928 Thompson uses the wrong mag.

[sleek pawn]

In Hell Let Loose, the Thompson is depicted with the 100 round drum magazine, which was never used in any military capacity and is incorrect.

This is what it should look like in-game, with the 50 round drum magazine.

[chrome oriole]

[mystic grove]

[hollow timber]

Yeah I noticed this too. It just looks goofy.

[frank nova]

[whole island]

[mystic grove]

this game has a curse that only effects the devs I’m convinced

[paper cliff]

[main tartan]

• 1 and actually the Brits used the 20 rounds stickmags too instead of the 30 rounders

[hexed portal]

HAHAHAHAHA

i stg T17 must have fired their historical consultants long ago bc i can’t understand how they keep making such beginner level mistakes

[onyx ruin]

[rare basin]

It's like 5cm too big, who cares really? 😛 Fire the damn thing, don't stand there staring at the magazine.

[tame urchin]

im not complaining really

[sleek pawn]

Why?

[tame urchin]

ammo capacity, besides the game already has innaccuracies like this but they dont really bother much, id say its an excusable goof just for the sake of the gameplay

[onyx ruin]

Hell Let Loose has the chance to become fully historically accurate. Making the drum magazine bigger than it was is a choice. A choice by a modeler who was not briefed by a historian/ had to do his own research. That's not how it should be.

[tame urchin]

i dont think team17 cared much for hiring developers of that competence
however i dont think its a mistake of horrible proportion

[lavish torrent]

[abstract hearth]

I swear to god HLL comunity is more cringe than cod and bf combined

[visual scarab]

[glossy horizon]

I'm just happy to have it instead of weapons that weren't even used at all

[sleek pawn]

You do understand that in-game, the Thompson still has 50 rounds per drum, right? It’s only the model that is the absolutely colossal and frankly ridiculous looking 100 round drum

[tame urchin]

ahh i didnt get to play with it yet so i couldnt determine, but in that case sure

[sleek pawn]

The 100 round drum looks absolutely ridiculous.

[hexed portal]

hey @quiet moon can i use this it’s more relevant than ever i keep on finding out

[cobalt coral]

the easier solution is to give it 100 rounds in-game lol. (i know it's not desirable, but since T17 seems a bit starved on resources it just feels like what they would do)

[sleek pawn]

This is not a desirable solution. 100 round drums for the Thompson were not used during the Second World War. And besides, they look absolutely ridiculous.

[quiet moon]

sure idrc lol

[cinder laurel]

Who cares?

[sleek pawn]

If the number of commends this post has is anything to go by, a fair amount of people care.

[mystic grove]

Did you even look at all the people commenting before typing that

[cinder laurel]

The devs won't even bother fixing the Thompson sights, so they're most likely not going to do anything about the drum mag

[chrome oriole]

Probably because peep sights don't work well in game. Oh wow, good golly gee, see you in post scriptum then.

[cinder laurel]

Post scriptum did an amazing job with the sight, HLL should take notes..

[thorny parrot]

T17 only

[topaz oasis]

The thompson's default iron sights in post scriptum are terrible

[cinder laurel]

They're 100x better than what we have

[teal wren]

No shot, way better in that game then here

[oblique spear]

Just add a nydar if yall are complaining about sights

[thorny parrot]

Speaking of which, why haven't the devs fixed those stupid iron sights for the US Thompson

[hollow timber]

They was originally "fixed" then people complained that they was too hard to see through so the old devs just chopped them in half. I'm fine with sights that are not completely accurate for the sake of better gunplay.

[thorny parrot]

Very true. I'm thinking they should come back with the old sights, but with a much larger rear peep sight like on the Garand. If that doesn't work they could always try aligning the sights in the top notch.

[topaz oasis]

Most games simply range the thomspon to 250 meters, the top notch of the sight, instead of 100 meters. This is both authentic and visually clear

[sleek pawn]

@trim veldt Do you guys have fixing this on your todo list somewhere? I understand that it’s low priority, but it’d be cool if we could get confirmation on the matter

[sleek pawn]

They confirmed that the K98 bolt was going to be fixed

[formal moss]

Oh so that's why the weapon looks so goofy 💀

Take my commendation

[hexed portal]

and it STILL DOES they still didn’t so much as google it for this update

[sleek pawn]

They weren’t even using drum mags by 44

[shadow wind]

Really, it is such a minor thing that does not effect gameplay what so ever.

[rare basin]

is not minor when you put a 100 bullet mag for the brits, a non-existant drum mag (And the brits especifically?? Who hated on drum mags, and i mean HATED drum mags, at least for thompsons)

[sleek pawn]

The 100 round drum is about twice as big as the 50 round drum. It looks absolutely ridiculous and is completely historically inaccurate. It must be changed.

[shadow wind]

"It must be changed." Really. you want to go there because of the devs design choice. If you want to cry about "historically inaccuracy" in a game all because of a drum mag be my guest, but the devs made that choice for a reason and you may not know why. Sure it may look silly, but it gets the job done it kills. I do not know off the top of my head so I could be very wrong here, but I am pretty sure you don't get as many mags with this gun like you do with others. If you can prove me wrong please do. Like I said I don't know if its true or not if it is the devs balanced the game so its not OP. Its just a minor thing its a game. As long as a gun shoots and looks somewhat right IDK about a mag or a sight. Who know what the devs were thinking when the made the model. Why do people need to nit pick at every little thing for a game. If its not impacting the game who cares

[cobalt coral]

Well, practically it's not as nonsense as the MG42 drum, because you can fill a 100rd drum half way. Maybe the troops liked it light, maybe it didnt jam as often. It's a cope, but at least a cope is possible in this case.

[formal moss]

Bro devs make that desicion bc they don't know anything about history, they have prove it to us many times... Also in the game the mag just have 50 ammunition, it's not a design or balance choice silly, they just wanted to make the 50 mag and confused with the 100 and it's just visually wrong... Why do people need this level of historical accuracy? Well, because they promised to us, it's what the game says when you buy it, ofcourse there's some people that doesn't mind about the details, but this is not an average shooter where everything it's fine and everything can fit, we want some quality on the work... Literal you're going against the hole community look the rest of the answer to this post...

[topaz oasis]

you want to go there because of the devs design choice.
It would be a design choice if the gun held 100 bullets. This is just a mistake

Its just a visual mistake that does not impact gameplay what so ever. 3. The devs "promised historically accuracy" . Not once did I read anywhere on Steam when I bought the game the historical accuracy is promised.
Yes. People are asking to fix a visual mistake @shadow wind

all you did was look at guns
for the majority of infantry combat your weapon takes up a large portion of the screen.

[shadow wind]

1. "The devs don't know anything about history." That is a very bold claim to make. Where is you proof for this claim. 2. So it is 50 ammo and the mag is a little bit bigger than it should be. Its just a visual mistake that does not impact gameplay what so ever. 3. The devs "promised historically accuracy" . Not once did I read anywhere on Steam when I bought the game the historical accuracy is promised. And I don't care that I am alone on my stance it is just a minor thing that does not matter for gameplay. If this was a gun show simulator where all you did was look at guns sure I guess, but its not it is a strategy game. You guys seem to find every single tiny thing to complain about. Its either the devs this or Team17 that. Suggestions are great and from people who have good ideas and want to see this game grow. Then some people come here to complain because they don't like the game or want to nit pick stuff that does not impact the gameplay what so ever and last but not least toes who just want to put down others. There is no need to be toxic. If you have a good idea with a action plan that is thought out with pros and cons share it, but just asking for something to be changed, added, or removed because you can is no way to do this.

[rare hare]

The gun holds 50 bullets but the model is a 100 bullet magazine. It’s a literal design mistake and it’s funny it happened. There’s no ulterior motive behind it, they literally just messed up and it should be fixed. It’s silly. Also this isn’t a strategy game. It’s a FPS, guns are the literal core of the game. Also this game promised historical accuracy. I don’t know where your getting your info from.

[worn pecan]

[rare basin]

This is from the kickstarter, the thing that made this game exist in the first place. Check your facts

[formal moss]

It's tagged as a realistic shooter bro, and team17 sayd it wen they took the game and they are kinda doing by fixing and putting the correct weapons models after community feedback so now we are giving more feedback so developers can continue fixing the mess they did. Let us improve this game bro.

Bro you didn't even know the 100 mag had 50 rounds just admit that British Forces where done so quickly as everything done in the U14. If you don't care about the correct weapon model then why are you complaining? This is not going to affect you let the people that want accuracy complain.

[thorny parrot]

Have you tried COD ww2? COD vanguard? I bet they'll take good care of you over there in bf5 too. I've heard they aren't very historically accurate either, so maybe you should go play over there. I would suggest post scriptum to you, but seeing as you don't like all those yucky, annoyingly accurate details, I bet you wouldn't like it.

[shadow wind]

I never Said id did not like accuracy, I am saying it should not matter that much. You all are just being toxic because I disagree with you. And BTW The kickstarter was from Blackmatter who sold the game to Team17. Blackmatter has no say anymore and Team17 can do what they want with the game since they own the IP. Now do I think Team17 should try and honor what Blackmatter prommised. Yes I do, but they are no obligated to since Team17 did not make any promises from the Kickstarter. You guys use the same defense every time with the Kickstarter, promises, but It does not really matter since the game was sold.

[formal thicket]

the drum mag thing is a deffo updatarino

[formal moss]

We being toxic? How????

You literally sayed devs didn't promise historical accuracy and now you Said "I'm saying that historical accuracy shouldnt matter that much" bro one of the main reasons for the people to play this game is to revive historical fights, even the trailers of the game shown in steam page are based on films like band of brothers that are extremely accurate. Also when team17 buyed the game they said on a live video they they where going to bring even more realism and historical accuracy than ever with their team of historians 💀
I can find it for you if you want...

[hexed portal]

i’m not reading all that

for a game that claims to be realistic it demonstrates a lack of care and lack of ability to do basic fact-checking by the devs. especially as this same mistake was made on the 8th army M1928s, people pointed it out, and they used it on the M1928A1s anyways

stop defending what is clearly a mistake caused yet again because T17 doesn’t know how to use google

[rare basin]

yes

[main tartan]

I also think that on El Alemein the Brits should use the 20rounder Stickmags and not the 30rounders. Its so weird they found a 100rounds drum mag model. I mean all drum modells you find on pictures are the 50rounders

[oak timber]

Most of you need to touch grass and realize that this is not a milsim/historically accurate game.

[rare hare]

T17 wants it to be historically accurate

[grizzled elm]

Then what is it

[pulsar rose]

A mislim/-historically accurate gamr.

[inner mural]

@grizzled elm An arcade fps set in ww2.

[oak timber]

This is the only correct answer

[gloomy escarp]

https://tenor.com/view/fuck-who-cares-who-gives-a-fuck-chris-pratt-middle-finger-gif-8101659

[topaz oasis]

The game did not set out to either casual or inaccurate. Hell Let Loose is simply a poorly designed milsim

[rare basin]

It’s litteraly on the steam page, kickstarter, and now T17’s official statement

[gloomy escarp]

https://tenor.com/view/furkpeancstneocof-harrison-ford-indiana-jones-gif-24951854

[oak timber]

They can say what they want, but the product they've put out has never been anything other than an arcade shooter

[rare basin]

Okay. That still needs to be fixed and changed, not embraced

[topaz oasis]

I already have a brick

[gloomy escarp]

https://tenor.com/view/seinfeld-nobody-wants-you-gif-19114123

[pulsar rose]

Fym poorly designed

[topaz oasis]

The majority of aspects of HLL were poorly thought out. This has lead to well known gamplay and authenticity issues that have been present for years

[pulsar rose]

You try making a game like this

[vocal harbor]

[gloomy escarp]

https://tenor.com/view/in-there-out-get-out-get-in-door-gif-9674710657154743176

[topaz oasis]

As can you

[reef loom]

There is issues with how every gun is portrayed almost. Even the M1 Garand

[rare basin]

Man I want to love this game but there’s so many issues

[gloomy escarp]

https://tenor.com/view/please-respect-the-sigma-please-respect-the-chika-chika-rizz-sigma-chika-rizz-chika-gif-14729089138670968928

[hollow timber]

The sights are tweaked for gameplay reasons. The sights of some of these weapons would be down right almost unusable otherwise. I absolutely hate the sights of my Kar98k in real life. The sights can easily obstruct your target.

[reef loom]

Nooo not that, the elevation knob is a T105 yet the windage knob is a type 2 lockbar. T105E pinions were made like at the very end of the war. They were more prominent in Korea. Same thing with the gas cylinder lock, the ones with the hump were found more in Korea.

[hollow timber]

Yeah I noticed that too. It is just a minor inaccuracy though. It's better than most games that just have the t105 sight like in BF5. At least the sight in HLL has the lockbar.

[hexed portal]

i noticed that too i always thought it looked long

[silent rune]

[gloomy escarp]

https://tenor.com/view/gorilla-gun-baratatata-shooting-rapid-fire-gif-17902281

[umbral epoch]

Well, this game neither works as an arcade, nor as Misilm, really.