Remove the ability to use nvidia overlay.

[feral flame]

if you cant beat em join em
unless you're on team red

EDIT: buddy DOES not know what a joke is...
EDIT 2: OP is butthurt

[north horizon]

I will not participate in a blatant breach in competitive integrity, sorry. Please do not muddy up my suggestion with your insincerity and garbage "team" memes.

Buddy does not know time and place to make jokes. Keep your idiocy in mess hall.

[safe sorrel]

There already is a suggestion for that topic.

[narrow solar]

Holy ****
Did you ever turned the ingame brightness to 200 on a night map?
This is almost the whole magic behind "seeing more far on a night map".

Also night maps are a extremly bad idea in a pc game. By playing with your gama and brightness settings on your monitor, you can easily get an advantage.

I repeat this for OP:
Turn your settings on low
AA OFF

And finally you get most of the "Compmagic" you are talking about.
Oh and if it is a night map -> Brightness 200

[north horizon]

My settings are on low. AA set to community. Raising brightness does not give you nearly the same clarity as the filters. I have been playing long enough to know what settings are capable of what.

Maybe educate yourself on what these filters are capable of before spouting off condescending nonsense.

[narrow solar]

@north horizon
4,5k hours, won several tournaments in HLL, played with top tier clans and usually being in the top10 of the scoreboard.
Also being involved in the filter game while playing with said clans, but not having a high opinion about the "advantage" it gives you. I saw and heard stuff about making skin purple and what not, but usually it comes with the prize of not seing other stuff.
Worst I have heard of was a setting that could gave you a 'WH' on very close range. This was reported to the devs and fixed.

I only use sharpness (AMD GPU) and still end up in the Top10 in comp matches... It really isn't about filters.
Public average 130kills/90m....

And again, Night maps are a horrible idea and weren't a big deal in WW2 for a few very obvious reasons.
But hey, devs can say "new map" by changing some light settings... yay....

[north horizon]

Glad to see you admit to having zero concept of competitive integrity. Also thanks for telling us that you use the more limited AMD filters, which should also be disabled from use.

Luckily I already expected comp players to be against the idea of removing these filters, so your response is not surprising.

[near swan]

how are your kill rates and comp matches relavent in any way. you could have cut all the bs stroking your ego and still delivered the same opinion on this suggestion

[feral flame]

LONG LIVE NVIDIA FITERS

[kind kelp]

https://discord.com/channels/316459644476456962/1141024473366143109
there's a thread for this already....

[narrow solar]

Glad to see you admit you have no idea of the actual benefit of those filters beside some burning wiki video and use them as excuse for your skill issue.
If you think sharpness at 50% does anything for you, buy a decent gaming monitor.
It's not the software side that gives you an advantage. The difference between a cheap HD monitor and good WQHD does a lot more.
But yes, block the filters I'm fine with fit, no change for me at all. It just wont change your expierence of getting rekt.

@near swan Because I have massive D even without the use of filters (Sorry Sharpness at 50, omg, much filter). OP talks a lot about comp players and big advantage of filters, while the advantage apprently isn't that big.
But OP has no idea of anything at all it seems like.

[near swan]

I have a massive D
This is possibly the most small D phrase ever said

[safe sorrel]

https://tenor.com/view/win-flirty-mr-bean-hey-there-whats-up-gif-16425093

I think we need picture proof.

[north horizon]

There is quite literally a private discord that was shared to me when i played comp for a short stint that had specific overlay settings for all the maps. Its not just "sharpening" that is adjusted. But clearly despite being this distinguished comp player, you are mostly ignorant of what these overlays are capable of. I highly recommend not continuing to make a fool of yourself and stop replying with baseless assumptions Thanks.

Being abusive and harassing me in mess hall really makes your argument stronger. Absolutely. This is not a subject you seem to have an emotional balance to have a conversation about.

[granite prawn]

lol just checked mess hall this zoom guy is a clown. says get some sunlight and girls after bragging about his 4.5k hours and sweaty ahh kill rates. would love to see proof of playing with all these tops clans and 130 kills per game.
scores are pretty good, any proof they are actually yours tho?

[narrow solar]

Unfortunatley OP blocked me 😦
Checked his nametag history and friendlist, nothing suggests he ever was with any clan at all.
And this whole "private discord for filters are bs" as well

@safe sorrel You find lot of "Proof" here xD (Sorry the link got deleted)

@granite prawn PM'ed you some proof

@near swan Small pp I got 😦

[valid lantern]

it's 2023. monitors have something called 'night vision' which does exactly that. You going to ban monitor models because you treat them as 'cheating'? If anything those nvidia filters make such tweaks easier and more accessible.

Before you jump on me - i'm comp player and i never used those filters. Still often i'm in top 10 on kills so imo your arguments are invalid.

[north horizon]

I was with Loyal 9 who did not play outside of FNF and then I was with Broken Arrow, which is where I received the private discord that had overlay settings for various maps, videos for many of the map exploits, and then just the general performance tips.

Stop with the baseless assumptions to try and discredit this argument because you are continuously making a fool out of yourself. The "attack the person and not the argument" tactic is very obvious. Because of this you are not going to get another response. You have done nothing but defend a blatant issue that has plagued the game for some time, and as a comp player using some form of filter no less. Of course you're going to look out for your own self interest.

@valid lantern Have you ever used one of those monitors? A lot of the time the settings just make the game look worse with no actual benefit whereas nvidia filters allow much more precise options you can change. I get what you're trying to say, but a lot of that time that extra setting is more to sell monitors to people who don't know any better. It's on par with the ones where you can put a crosshair on your screen.

[feral flame]

LONG LIVE NVIDIA FILTERS

[north horizon]

<@&365680483276816385> Can you remove this guy from commenting^ He is actively not contributing to the discussion and is infact cluttering it with his memeing garbage.

Just as well, Zoom has repeatedly made personal attacks, not just here but in mess hall. Surely this isn't the type of behavior you condone here?

[narrow solar]

Can't remember that any of those Clans where on the main stage of the seasonal.
I allready told you: Ban Filters. I'm down with it. I'm just telling you that it won't change the expierence you have getting rekt by better players. Because I don't use filters. (50% sharpness, I know I know).

Monitor settings can give you and advantage as well. Black stabilizer, red dot, Sharpshooter mode that give's you zoom, color settings, sharpness....
You get the point. And they keep getting better.

crying for moderators while being a passive aggressive tool and asking to ban me. Good luck with that.

@granite prawn pm'ed again for further proof those are indeed my stats.

[dry nacelle]

Yea that will help to filter out the 3 people who are doing this and everyone else with a good monitor will just do the same old "Nvidia" settings trick on the monitor itself
What's next banning OLED Monitors because they show black better?
Btw there is not a single way to solve what you are seeking you ban one thing and people find 15 other things who can do the same. It's just not worth it. Good players play always good not because of any setting
And even worse you can do basically everything you can do at the front end of the Nvidia overlay directly in the driver of the card outside of any reach or control.
Remember that games just send the 1 and 0's to your card and the card build that image to something you can visually see, so the card can do basically whatever it want with it and since that's your hardware and nothing can access it your whole hope of this post is pointless since there is no solution.

@granite prawn can confirm Zooms stats for the most parts. Just to be fair. (I am not standing in any connections to him or any clans)

[north horizon]

Except it's not 3 people doing this. Clans regularly use these filters and I know from asking multiple people from multiple different clans directly, with a sample size of around 20, I know not a lot in the grand scheme of things, but every single one told me they used these filters. I mean shoot, even the guy originally against it in this thread, Zoom, admits to using the less powerful AMD one, despite saying he didn't use any of them originally. This is also 2 contradictions from this individual in the span of a few comments alongside multiple person attacks. His stats are irrelevant, he is still uneducated and ignorant on this topic

The thing is something CAN be done and other games, admittedly mostly actual competitive games with real scenes, have already taken steps to not allowing nvidia filters to be active when their games are open. Changing filters via the desktop does not work in these games either.

I've already replied about monitors but I'll go further. Their settings do not help nearly as much as the Nvidia filters as many of them are mostly just there to sell monitors to inexperienced/unaware consumers. You could make an argument about the gimmicky ones with the Dots being an issue, but that doesn't directly affect things like what the nvidia overlays can.

Being against the removal of these overlays is actively being against competitive integrity. Just so you are aware how that makes you look. There has yet to be a real tangible argument against them being removed that doesn't involve "Well I don't use them so no one uses them", whataboutisms, or personal attacks. Do you guys understand the topic or are you just going to continue to clog up this discussion with your nonsense?

@feral flame I am not going to "join them". I ask you again, stop clogging up this discussions with bad memes and completely useless input. The fact the mods allow you to troll like this so blatantly is baffling.

[feral flame]

Again if you can beat em join em

[tame night]

All you ppl saying that turning the brightness up in game or on monitor is the same as using NVIDIA software tools to eliminate map fog, make the pixels layer, and increase color intensity to make enemies pop out-- are dumbasses -- if use NVIDIA software the way competitive players do - the game is not the same game

[kind kelp]

I'd love for devs to give us the ability to customize server rules on the backend. Allowing overlays would just be an option server owners can opt in or out of on their servers. Players can then choose to join servers that don't allow overlay. We could do sooo many cool things with customized servers if the devs just gave us the tools.

[timber fulcrum]

Remove filters but please fix graphics so the game isn't either playdough or weirdly haloed because of the AA.

[north horizon]

The issue is that the way overlays work, it's not a matter of the server allowing them or not. The only way this could work is if the server list was in a BF3 browser based style because it would launch your game on joining. I do agree with more server tools generally but that's something for another thread.

@timber fulcrum This is fair. The game needs an optimization/graphical overhaul before something like this is done. I'll even throw in that they really should add colorblind accessibility settings.

@tame night Yeah. It's one of those kneejerk responses from people who don't really understand the difference between what is visible by turning up brightness/contrast and actually using the filters to make more meaningful adjustments.

[kind kelp]

Battlelog, it's what BF4 uses too. Would be cool to have some of the similar customization options BF4 servers have.

[modest moon]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-osu-gif-23207201

[north horizon]

Yeah that's quite a large overhaul though and considering the current situation with the game, I unfortunately don't see something like this happening. :/

@brittle wolf Rule 6 above. Rule 6 below Kane as well. Second sentence after the tag at the bottom. "Purposeful attempts to ... antagonize other members of the community WILL be met with moderation action" Will is the important part there.

@dry nacelle I already addressed this: "The thing is something CAN be done and other games, admittedly mostly actual competitive games with real scenes, have already taken steps to not allowing nvidia filters to be active when their games are open. Changing filters via the desktop does not work in these games either."

There's also the fact that some filters are only accessible through the overlay anyway, but that's an entire different issue.

Removing textures like you're talking about is nowhere close to the same issue. I don't understand the relevance.

@narrow solar "AGAIN -> GO AHEAD, BAN FILTERS."

Then you agree with the thread. Why you had to do this song and dance of personal attacks, attempts to discredit me, and egotistical ranting is beyond me.

You also incorrectly say I ignored Kane's comment when in actuality it was directly addressed.

I don't understand how you think increasing general brightness and tweaking overlay settings are comparable things. The former being a machete with the latter being a scalpel.

And I'll say again, I only meet people with the same energy they give me. You notice that most of my responses, even to Kane who I fundamentally disagree with, aren't as hostile as the ones towards you for example? Come into discussions without an ego/attitude and actually WANT to have a conversation. Disagreeing is fine. Not sharing my "opinion" (although this thread is not about an opinion but a legitimate thing plaguing the game) is fine. I think the person with the most issues with non-shared "opinions" is yourself.

[dry nacelle]

You didn't understood what I was talking about. The overlay is a front end but you can do everything in the back end while ingame. You don't need the overlay to activate filters. Like I said it would filter out the people who can only do that over an overlay and create a even more elitism who the ones who know it better can still use it.

@north horizon
There are a lot more filters and settings available directly in the driver. It's literally the code which runs your card there is no magical overlay which creates more. It's actually only half the settings possible via the overlay. You can just to be clear remove literally terrain directly in your card no overlay needed nothing. If you remember the bushes that you could remove back in the days. You still can. Or even the very ground you are standing on, so you can see through the whole map. I tried it all and ended up with it's not worth the headache you are getting by changing something drastically. Everything you do has a bigger drawback in the long run. Making it to sharp? Noizy background and glowing. Removing the literal ground? You will not be able to see any objects anymore as well. You remove vegetation? Well now you have random artifacts which just pop in and out over the whole map.

[narrow solar]

I admitted to use sharpness... which is also available on monitor settings. If you would know this setting, you would get my point of using almost none. But I'm sure you will bring this up and turn it around as long as it benefits you line of arguments.
I was involved in the whole "Filtergame" with hier tier clans, which doesn't mean I used them myself. I can also confirm that those filter won't give you a lot of advantage, close to none. But it can make the game look better, while mine on AMD looks like garbage.
The last more or less real "advantage" was reported to the devs by a high tier clan and the devs blocked it.

AGAIN -> GO AHEAD, BAN FILTERS.

I don't care.

"but that doesn't directly affect things like what the nvidia overlays can."
Same level of ignorance you accuse me of having in regards of Nvidia Filters. Monitors are more important than filters when it comes to spotting enemies.

"whataboutisms, or personal attacks. Do you guys understand the topic or are you just going to continue to clog up this discussion with your nonsense?"
You also ignoring this argument of KANE: And even worse you can do basically everything you can do at the front end of the Nvidia overlay directly in the driver of the card outside of any reach or control.

We do understand the topic and actually have expertise in it. KANE is one of the persons with the most insights of technicaly exploiting the game and (as I'm aware of) was reporting these things in the past to the devs. @dry nacelle Remeber the .ini pre u8?

@north horizon You are being extremly entitled to your own opinion and being aggressive towards anyone not sharing it. I wonder why the moderatos don't ban all these people that were so insulting by not sharing your opinion.
@tame night Not the same, but not much of an advantage either.

[cloud sentinel]

The HLL community is awful... Just look at the state of you

[brittle wolf]

Guys, this discussion can be civilized if BOTH sides hear each other out without slinging mud at each other. Please keep this in mind before the bot gets involved.

[dry nacelle]

Ok let's say you have a capture card or In my case a virtual desktop which uses the video feed of your card. So it's not the game anymore and you apply the filters on a virtual desktop app rather then the game itself. What is the solution to ban that? You have the normal game on your left monitor and the altered game feed on the right both at the same time without any latency. (That's how you can potentially also hide cheats if you need to do screenshots or something ingame, never tested that never will test that.)
But that was the point of me all along you can't remove something which is completely local

[narrow solar]

"Then you agree with the thread."
I do not agree, all I'm saying that banning those filters will not effect the gameplay or expierence people have, while the game also lost another option to look somewhat decent without having blurry vision.
If people feel better about themselves and stop crying about filters I would be fine seeing them banned. But Blueberries will move back and call good players cheaters, stream snipers, whatever. This game has a long history of bad and dad player copium. All we got at the end is people having a worse looking game and good players being called cheaters instead of filter users. So I don't see it being worthy.

Can you please explain the fact how I can be considered a very good high comp tier player, when I use almost no filter at all?
If filters are that big of a deal?
Just want to have a decent discussion with you about this without you telling me I do not know anything about that topic (I do).

"You also incorrectly say I ignored Kane's comment when in actuality it was directly addressed."
You are saying that the whole driver thing Kane is talking about is not much of an issue and playing it down. It is an issue. It can do much more worse than nvidia filters do, while KANE is also right about its drawbacks. It also can become relevant real quick, like the .ini did in the past.

"I don't understand how you think increasing general brightness and tweaking overlay settings are comparable things."
At least on daylight maps, there is no real advantage. I also doubt there is much on night maps. While night maps are always a horrible idea on PC games and quite unrealistic when it comes to ww2.

"And I'll say again, I only meet people with the same energy they give me."
You definetly getting off by pissing ppl off.
Your steam profil even has a screenshot of someone being pissed off by you and you staged it like a trophy. Fighting ppl online is definetly something you like, while trying to blame the victim card later.

[rocky prawn]

https://tenor.com/view/fiddle-mr-krabs-i-dont-care-gif-18594826

[split estuary]

I used to be like you, but it doesn’t matter. Just use the filters or don’t it’s that simple.

[left crater]

This is the same argument CSGO has had since the dawn of 1.5.

Using Monesy's keybinds, mouse settings, filters you could have his setup for all I care. You are going to get slapped by him over and over again with him running stock.

Better players ARE better for a reason they put in the TIME to learn. He has over 10k hours in CSGO thats how he beat you. not some config.

[dry nacelle]

Doesn't sound right Billy here who just bought HLL told me he gets killed only by those filter users and now a after the filters are gone he gets slapped the same amount but he is already searching for a new reason why it's not his fault.

Because it's never his fault

[keen yew]

Dear @leaden vessel, please take a look at this threat and notice, how OP left in a matter of no time after not only complaining but questioning the competitive integrity of the game (ergo "fairness"?). I personally do understand why filters have been removed, I just do not come to the same conclusions and view it as an overreaction due to fear of having another public outrage.

However, as you might have noticed, PTE testing itself without any organised participation events have very low numbers of players attending.

Players engaging in organised competitive play have not been thrilled about all the updates since U14 and feel alienated by the devs, in the Q&A session we've been mentioned as a side note and since the recent statement was along the lines "we did not forget about you, just wait a little longer" for a feature I will predict as being of minor value to the gameplay itself.

I would like to show you some evidence how big the actual "competitive" scene is: if you check the stats for the game at https://steamcharts.com/app/686810 you will notice a large spike every Sunday at about 18:00 UTC, is it coincidence, that for example this Sunday we have 9 matches scheduled between the Seasonal and ECL alone (I'm not participating in other leagues but this is quite specific to EU as it's prime time 20:00 local)?
The games played are:
Seasonal:
Ronin vs Cerberus
Phoenix vs The Circle
WTH vs Refuze
ECL:
82AD vs Greyhounds
StDb vs PBS
BFTB vs DUCK
1CDO vs PV
BWB vs CA
J7 vs NPC

We're looking at 900 players playing at about the same time (+/- 30min), doing their warm-up before which usually consists of at least an hour playing the game and then 45min-1h of strategy briefing plus dry running all 3 openers. Please note that plenty clans that compete as well play at different times (due to time-zones) or simply had no match scheduled but played public matches.

The competitive scene is the most active and engaged part of the community on an individual level and may it be as it is that we're less than 50% of your player base, we're certainly not single digits but make up a substantial amount, likely 30-35% of players at any given time all the time.

Please also note that early June marked the end of the last episode of the Seasonal. Competitive play then went into the summer pause, we have weekly events scheduled for organised public play with mixed teams between clans every day of the week except the weekend, Thursday for example we have the "Greyhound Night" with usually 2-3 servers and around 15-20 different clans participating. All of those public events went inactive due to the lack of players until very recently, the end of August right before the HCA and other local Cups / Leagues launched.

We can assure you first hand that currently, competition remains as the last driver for many of us, we've lost our faith in the developer and the game moves towards the wrong direction from our PoV. I can only speak for myself but I've played 50% less recently and since U14.4 I haven't even launched the game.

I am not advocating for bringing back filters or whatsoever (please introduce color blind mode though!) by my previous statements, I just wanted to showcase how from my perspective a very loud minority of people currently screams the loudest and apparently it works, yet those people do not care at all, they even quit despite getting their will.

All I hope for currently is having a branch of community management that focuses on collecting input from our side (which sounds simple and I will admit is not and has to be well thought through and implemented). I do understand that from a commercial perspective numbers matter in quantity not "quality" (I mean that in terms of engagement and hours played, the average competitive player ranges between 1000-6000 hours) just don't view us as being an irrelavant part due to very minor size.

If you read all through I'd like to thank you and hope for the best.

[grizzled pine]

[narrow solar]

Billy told me the filters are gone but the game is now infested with cheaters!!!11!