#Remove automatic rifleman

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restive swallow
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The automatic rifleman is a relic from a time when the game only had 1 loadout per class, so the auto rifleman was used to give out Bars and Stgs.
Now the class is basically "I want to use STG" or the "Assault is taken".

At its core it is the same as assault, high DPS class meant for offensives.

The class has also translated horribly to new factions whom didn't have automatic rifles, for the Soviets the automatic rifleman is literally just a second assault class and for the Germans it becomes obsolete after reaching assault 9.

And with the possible introduction of weaponry becoming accurate year to year, balancing the class will become even more difficult. Many countries lacked a arsenal of automatic small arms of any kind at the start of the war.

sinful path
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bad take

cedar parrot
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VERY bad Take, I'd take auto rifleman over assault every day of the week

fossil solar
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Id prefer if the german assault would get the stg taken away at lvl 9 and replaced by the Gewehr 43.
This then should be moved to the lvl 6 SL. It is historicly accurate and it gives the SL a good weapon for their services.

burnt hound
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Did he just say that Automatic is for DPS?

My brother in Christ the core of the auto Rifleman isn't for dps it's for suppressing fire at medium to short distances same with the MG and if there's a "DPS" role it would probably be more suitable for tanker

drifting coral
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If they reduced the amount of automatics each role get, automatic rifleman would become useful. Support, engineer, anti tank shouldn’t have access to smgs and instead only have bolt actions. Automatic rifleman as the name suggests gets the automatic weapons like mp40, stg44, Thompson, fg42, sten, ppsh, etc. assault could also have access to smgs (no assault rifles like fg42 or stg 44), and semi automatic weapons like g43. Only 3 classes aside from Mg should have access to automatic weapons. Assault, automatic rifleman and officer.

obsidian sonnet
shrewd spruce
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the heat of the summer really goes to people's heads !

karmic wadi
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never remove or add classes, very idiotic

restive swallow
twilit oar
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emoji_HLLCommendation AR is a useless class. It provides marginal benefit in killing power (which is negated by the ease of shooting and the Low TTK of other weapons) in exchange for situationally useless loadouts. The only exception being the smokes on the second loadout but even there are better classes to choose for this function.

This class is a glorified rifleman and needs to be removed and merged with Assault

fair field
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Why remove it if it just allows people another way to play. Now from a hist stand point I would agree that is has run its usefulness and should be removed and either reworked or stay removed.

mortal skiff
# burnt hound Did he just say that Automatic is for DPS? My brother in Christ the core of the...

This is what the class selection screen says. But in practice suppression isnt strong enough to warrant giving away your position. So the automatic rifleman just goes around killing like a longer range assault class.

Response:
ARs have a 1 hit kill range of 75m and are 2 hits beyond that. Smgs meanwhile have a 2 hit kill range up to 50m and a 4 hit kill beyond that. They're only slightly easier to use at range since they can be easily spammed. No AR is too difficult to use except the bren and fg42. Not to mention that, even if smgs were better at long range, every AR kit except the british can use an smg anyway. For the Russians thats all they have. The AR class is better for medium to long range combat.
Furthermore, suppression is simply not viable. The effect has very little bearing on ones ability to aim. Staying hidden is so much stronger that even MGs dont often use it. The way its suppossed to be used is noticably different from the way it is best used.