Why is Nobody Talking about this!?!?!

[queen saddle]

We need to get rid of the M1 Carbine from Pointman in the United States Officer loadout and replace it with the trenchgun. Reasoning, it makes more sense; you already have the thomspon and the garand, your medium and long range options are there already. The M1 carbine only out preforms within 50m and that is if you get a good damage roll on a chest shot or higher and even then you can still trade. So if we are still trading with the m1 carbine within 50m what is the point of Pointman!?!? there isn't use the Thompson and out dps. But what if we had the Trenchgun. Pointman still keeps is name for being up and in the action. And you still maintain affectiveness within 100m. Its a no brainer folks. It makes sense and for balancing purposes it doesn't change anything. The germans are already ahead and if anything keeping the m1 carbine on officer is kind of a nerf. Also a little bonus give the medic with the normal weapon more spare ammo. Nobody wants to play medic because of that.

[severe fractal]

The M1 Carbine was standard issue to US Officers, that’s why it’s there
@queen saddle wdym? Our officers are LTs and Captains

[queen saddle]

Yes but technically our Officers aren't officers

[ashen shadow]

nah shotgun stinks.
Loadouts could use reworks overall anyways
Shotguns are very out of place in this game for the most part historical context or not.
M1 carbine is fine
And medic really just doesnt have much of a place rn, giving him more ammo is a terrible idea, might aswell play rifleman at that point.
Medic needs to be able to do more than just revive while maintaining his role as a medic rather than a glorified rifleman who can bring back the dead. Something like a proper injury system and overhaul to weapon damage and their effects on players would help a lot

[true carbon]

Maybe you stink, shotgun is solid

[vale patrol]

We need more carbines not less. Tbh some loadouts should have carbine instead of garrand.

[glad dust]

Totally agree, a complete injury and damage overhaul is a brilliant idea. That combined with a ballistics system rework from scratch, including elaborate fragmentation modeling would be epic!

[wise widget]

fr shotgun is great at medium to short range easy headshots and kills idk what hes on about

[arctic jackal]

I mean it did get nerfed tho👀

[cyan dome]

I agree with getting rid of the Carbine, it's a terrible weapon, it's the reason I never play medic when I'm on the US side

[noble sapphire]

The carbine is great weapon, its fits well in between a smg with rof and the garand at range, but its large ammos of ammo and low recoil is its savings grace

Also there were more m1 carbines made then m1 garands, and it was much more popular with the troops

[winter idol]

Just replace it with the NCO’s M1 Garand.
I firmly oppose taking the M1 carbine away from the officer.

[ashen shadow]

M1 carbine should not be removed
And medic is not a combat role, his primary job is reviving teammates not fighting. Having weaker weapons and less ammo reflects this.
It would be more beneficial if they gave him something else to do other than just reviving

[plucky dew]

commander can spawn medical trucks that medics can only use to drop something (that involves medic things) or maybe the truck itself does something in its vicinity?

[glass salmon]

if you play medic the way it is supposed to be played you dont even need the amount of ammo you aleady have. Like when I play medic I usually dont even fire a single shot

[drowsy kernel]

i would love the trench gun for officers!! great idea

[robust glacier]

We need to get rid of the trench gun since it was hardly used in europe

[glass salmon]

why is it so important for the game to be exactly 10.000% realistic? Its a game, not a real life

[magic ruin]

The carbine is a very good gun. You're just trash with it

[cyan dome]

Its a terrible weapon... 2 shot kill after 50 meters

[tawdry tiger]

Not a lot of people seem to know it but there were more carbines issued than Garands to GIs. Not a lie at all lol, about 4,000,000 compared to the carbines 6,200,000 @glad dust

[glad dust]

That is a bold faced lie. Standard TO & E stated that all carbines be allotted to troops behind the frontlines and to non combat personnel to replace the M1911. Seeing a carbine on the frontline would have only been seen in incredibly dense forests where visibility was practically face to face or urban settings where the power of the Garand wasn’t so much as needed as the quick shorting the carbine had

@tawdry tiger More were produced but most of those carbines were ISSUED to non frontline combatants like artillerymen, cooks, gun crews, etc. On the frontlines they would have been an uncommon sight and only used in certain situation. During the war it was heavily discouraged for G.I.s to use carbines in place of the M1 because it was likely to get you killed in most situations except CQC

[frosty verge]

Although I get what you are saying but given that the theme of this game is a specific time frame. By your logic, they should add Space Ships because it is a game and not real life.

[half osprey]

I like the carbine personally. You can dump rounds on people at a decent distant more accurately and easily than a thompson.

Obviously a good Thompson player and Garand player will do better. Not a bad gun by any means though I think.

Spamming it is the key in my experience

[livid trellis]

It's 75 meters not 50. Need I say more? The trench gun is already in two roles so I think its fine as is.

[glass salmon]

what space ships? Did you even read what I wrote? By my logic it doesnt have to be perfectly realistic to every tiniest of the tiniest detail, not bringing in some space ships🙄

[hoary herald]

Am I alone in wanting an ironsight Springfield rifle for the SL and rifleman? Would be cool to use that sweet looking rifle as basic infantry.

[livid trellis]

That's was usmc not the army

[smoky mural]

i will agree, i find the shotgun to be unforgiving, especially with panic firing, but when it's used properly it is amazing

[vale patrol]

Army still used it for rifle grenades in normandy.

[uneven cave]

new players want less m1 l, vets want more m1. Tells me theres a skill problem not a weapon problem

[vale patrol]

carbines were used troops at front. usualy by guys that had some special role like radiomens, at guys, mg crew and officers

[round mason]

If nobody is talking about something it's probably a bad idea.

[noble sapphire]

In Normandy about %60 of troops were still armed with the m1903

[glad dust]

What is your source for that, because the T,O & E at that time stated all troops use the M1 Garand, the only reason the M1903 was used was for snipers or soliders who couldn’t obtain the new Garand rifle grenade adapter and still had to use the old Springfield

[noble sapphire]

the terms troops includes all not just the front line personal
all front line troops were armed with the m1's or smgs/lmgs
but beyond that radio service personel, heavy AA crews, repair pit worker, construction workers, loading personnel, gunsmiths, bakers, cooks, and so forth did not have m1 garands or carbines, a FEW did but most did not
the combat element of an army of only that of around %30-40
the amount of service and dutys that an army does go much farther then just shoot

[spiral sail]

Still waiting on a source

[glacial bane]

Love when the baker is armed with a m1903

[noble sapphire]

this is my source
https://www.historians.org.au/scale-of-fees
if you want source then you pay
after all
why the hell would i ply my trade, somethink i get payed for just to "win" so discord clout
my relevance is that you ask me to do somethink that i get payed for, for free

[spiral sail]

Who you are has no bearing on the discussion at hand, only what you say, and you haven’t provided a source.

The fact that you claim to be a historian does not eliminate the requirement for objective facts and sources. If you truly are who you say you are then you should already know this, and shouldn’t have to be told by some random discord user.

If this exchange truly exemplifies your level of integrity as a “historian”, then i hope nobody is foolish enough to pay for your services (or more likely scam, like the fraud that you are).

[glad dust]

In the the US field Manual 7-10 Rifle Company, Infantry Regiment, the mention of the M1903 Springfield rifle is only mentioned once,

“RIFLE M1903A4. One MIS903A4 rifle, equipped with a telescopic sight mounted directly over the receiver, is furnished to each rifle platoon for use in sniping. (See FM 23-10.) This rifle is employed by an individual desig- nated by the platoon leader to act as a sniper.” Top of page 3

This is the only mention of the rifle in an Infantry Company which is by far the largest part of the US forces that landed at Normandy as the compact includes such things as Cooks, Supply Officers, truck drivers, and anyone else found behind the lines. Other then the mention of the Sniper variant the Springfield is left out even for the grenade launcher role in the squad.

“Launcher M7. This launcher is used with the Ml rifle. The rifle grenade cartridge, caliber .30, M3 (blank) is used. Personnel normally equipped with the grenade launcher M7 are the communication sergeant, platoon guides, section leader of the light machine-gun section, squad leaders of the light machine-gun squads, assistant squad leaders of the rifle squads, two additional men in each rifle squad, and truck drivers.” Middle of page 5

Yea, the Springfield was used in Normandy. Due to the M7’s recent introduction and supply lines being supply lines not all greniders could not get the M7 in time for the landing and had to use the old Springfield launcher until they could get the new tech, along with rear line guards being issued the rifle for reasons that I do not know but can assume that it was because the army simply felt they didn’t need an M1 rifle for their duties.

This is taken straight from a US issued field manual from March of 1944, not many better sources you can get can except for quartermaster reports and TO&E documents

https://allamericans.files.wordpress.com/2021/05/fm-7-10-rifle-company-infantry-regiment-44-.pdf

Here’s the manual if you wish to take a look