new-recruit-barracks

[autumn rose]

@sweet cliff maybe

The T34s gun is near useless

but the Panzer 4s mobility rn is horrid

Unless you mean IRL

[sweet cliff]

A Pz IV doesn't bounce shit off its armor in this game

[modern rampart]

that's why: T-34/85 when

[balmy sundial]

yes but i'm talking one on one in the fields of kursk will it be made that the 122 can do multi modular damage or something like thar

[autumn rose]

T-34/85 for Berlin would be awesome

I'm sure an IS-2s 122 will shatter most tanks it hits

[modern rampart]

yeah true

[balmy sundial]

like the test on the panthers

[modern rampart]

though I do wonder if they have it all thought out

they want to do the "super heavies" in the future

and add the commonwealth/British

[autumn rose]

dear god

[modern rampart]

so what kind of heavy tank would they get?

Churchills?

Comets?

[autumn rose]

Churchill probably

Comet would be a good top tier medium

[balmy sundial]

heck if recons didn't need to start at the hqs at the start of the map that would be cool

like parashooting or somthing

[modern rampart]

as a heavy yeah (also Firefly is confirmed to come so that's probably going to be heavy, too simply because of the gun)

[autumn rose]

Recons would be fine if their speed was better

[modern rampart]

but they don't have "super heavies"

[autumn rose]

their current speeds are nearly 1/4th of what they actually are

[sweet cliff]

It'll be interesting to see if they don't give the Firefly a hull MG

[autumn rose]

Yeah the british didn't really deploy super heavies

[modern rampart]

for all tanks actually

[balmy sundial]

tortise

[autumn rose]

The Tortise didn't see pretty much any combat

I'm actually pretty sure it didn't see any combat in WW2

[balmy sundial]

thats the first thing that comes to mind

[autumn rose]

1 sec

[balmy sundial]

no it didn't i was just grasping at straws

[modern rampart]

I was thinking of the Cromwell for a medium tank

[autumn rose]

Yeah only 6 were built, and never went to combat

[balmy sundial]

plus imagine that thing in africa

[autumn rose]

That would be cool

M4A3 too

[modern rampart]

so light...

[autumn rose]

or M4A2

Light could be a daimler

[modern rampart]

Valentine, medium Cromwell, maybe Comet

[autumn rose]

wait not light recon

[balmy sundial]

fire fly for british medium

[autumn rose]

Valentine for Light

[modern rampart]

recon would be either Daimler or the Staghound

[autumn rose]

maybe crusdaer

[balmy sundial]

stag i would say

[modern rampart]

Crusaders were North Africa only right?

[autumn rose]

Yeah

But the Valentine barely saw combat in Europe after anyways

[balmy sundial]

i few went to russia but yep i think just africa

[sweet cliff]

Was it the crusader that had no HE shells? I forget

[autumn rose]

I think it did

it was just a smaller tank

a 37mm or 57mm at max for variants

not very fast for a light

[modern rampart]

several Churchills

[autumn rose]

not very armored

[sweet cliff]

I can't picture them putting a tank with no HE in the game and I know one of the ones they fielded in Africa didn't have any

[modern rampart]

including AVREs and Crocodiles

[balmy sundial]

do u guys think that tank destroyers will be added?

[autumn rose]

Jesus christ Flamethrower Churchill

yeah

I'm sure

[modern rampart]

Yes, they are planned

StuGs and SUs have been mentioned before

[autumn rose]

Stug III, M18, and Su-85, probably an Achilles for the British

[modern rampart]

as well as the ISU actually

ISU-122 and 152

but I can't see the 152 happening

[sweet cliff]

StuG Life.

[modern rampart]

even though I'd personally love that

[balmy sundial]

so i'm guessing stugs for germany su-85 then su-122 for russia and m18's for america

[autumn rose]

StuG would make my HLL experience complete

[modern rampart]

should be able to destroy emplacements like bunkers

open topped vehicles might actually still happen now that they are reworking skeletal meshes

so Wolverines

Jacksons etc for Americans

we shall see how much money and content Team17 will pump into HLL in the future

[balmy sundial]

i want to start a patition for m22 to be the light tank for america

[modern rampart]

Stuart is fine

and it's cute

[sweet cliff]

Open tops you'd have to sit so far back and then you still have to worry about recon grenading you

[balmy sundial]

even if they wearn't used

[modern rampart]

from what I understand the main problem with open topped vehicles was technical issues

not gameplay issues

was or is

at least that's what Danny and/or Jambax said

[balmy sundial]

plus they could have the planks of wood and stuff on top to stop that grenade thing

or make it less likly of getting in

[sweet cliff]

Oh yeah its a technical thing I just mean if they do make it in now any dummy with a grenade or elevation can neutralize them

[sweet cliff]

I'm not sure how tank destroyers would work in game with the current armor system, a heavy tank has infantry protection and can 1 shot anything below a heavy tank and can 2 shot a heavy tank, would a tank destroyer one shot heavy tanks? That would probably be a bit much, and if a TD costs near the cost of a heavy tank then why ever use it

I'm sure they could work out a logical system where everything has its place but that would probably be a pretty big change.

[random pecan]

I think the focus should be on balancing what there is already so that fun can be maximised, rather than adding new stuff.

[lunar jewel]

Im very interested in the flakpanzer and the whole anti-air systems being added to the game

I suppose its going to be shooting down air drops and what not but also could see it be used against infantry for the meme

so that will be interesting to balance

also what armor will it have? etc.

[sweet cliff]

it'll always be used to shoot infantry, even if the gun depresses enough you could still sit in the right spots and shoot up at infantry

[lunar jewel]

yeaaaa

thats the main problem i see with it lol

[sweet cliff]

I think if they don't intend it to be used in a front line capacity they could probably balance that around how easily it is to penetrate from the front with rockets.

[lunar jewel]

In regards to tanks I think a new class of 'super heavys' wouldnt hurt. I would suggest to make the new heavy tanks the Panther, jumbo 75, and IS-1. Super Heavys above them could be the Tiger-1 (and 2 eventually), Jumbo 76, and IS-2 or KV variant tank. This would allow the panther and 75 to have a purpose imo. Also allows you to add the tiger -2 down the road. In regards to resource balance Super heavys would be very rare but on purpose. Its a gamble for the teeam. Save up a ton and put a good crew in one super heavy or have a ton of lower classes like mediums.

I know the devs want to balance tank gameplay towards mediums more so

I absolutely adore tank gameplay in HLL and cant wait for more tanks and such, just trying to imagine the balance issues. Might be really dumb idea, im not a gameplay developer lol

[sweet cliff]

I actually think super heavies would just be a win harder button.

[lunar jewel]

eh, I mean they could still be destroyed from the side and rear with some strategic gameplay. Also if they cost so much and they get killed in 2 seconds then you are in a bad spot as a team. Really its a gamble and also an excuse to add more cool tanks to the game.

[sweet cliff]

Got distracted at work, but what I mean by win harder is assuming they are really expensive, they're going to be hard to use unless you're not losing tanks and smashing their armor anyway.

But it really depends how easily they are to kill and by what, like if you can still just build an AT gun and shoot it in the front a few times.

[lunar jewel]

I understand your concerns, its all a balancing act. I would think that mediums could kill super heavys with 3 in the side or 2 in the back, heavys with 2 in the side or 2 in the back. These are just spitball numbers, nothing concrete. As reguards to AT guns they are mega bugged in U11. They are not supposed to be able to penetrate everything like they can currently. They will be fixed soon i imagine.

[sweet cliff]

Nah the penetration was noted in the change logs it was on purpose.

[lunar jewel]

was it? I read the Tank Bible a couple days ago when it was updated and it says its a bug in there.

interesting

[sweet cliff]

"Increased penetration power of AT-Guns allowing them to penetrate Heavy armour if angled correctly" was noted in the dev blog for U11's release, the dev blog a few weeks later said: "AT-Guns are able to destroy Heavy tanks with 2 shots to the hull" so allegedly the damage was the bug.

If I had to wildly speculate since this was demonstrated in I think the last PTE and was commented upon, that the timing on the last PTE meant that QA was backlogged enough or the QA process takes so long that it was no longer possible to change anything not 'game breaking' and the PTE was for stability.

[lunar jewel]

ah

[sweet cliff]

It is definitely not a clone of the heavy tank guns though or it would pop mediums in one hit and it doesn't.

[lunar jewel]

i mean the reload speed on it pretty much allows it to lmao

[sweet cliff]

by angled correctly of course it means just essentially shoot the tank anywhere.

[lunar jewel]

yea

anyway im sure they will be balanced again - along with everything

[sweet cliff]

I would actually like to see the penetration of the heavy guns to work similar to how it works on the medium where hit boxes are tighter (ignoring the Pz IV which is just one giant hit box) and you have to aim at say the medium Sherman from the Pz IV to kill it so you get into more of a duel than just aim at the enemy tank and pop it twice, but that would really exacerbate the Tiger vs. 76 issue.

Yeah a patch will drop, we all take this stuff very seriously and it hurts our feelings when stuff is changed or broken but they aren't going to just drop patches every week, that causes other issues.

[lunar jewel]

yea

[sweet cliff]

I imagine they have all sorts of mandatory processes/QA/etc. to go through before pushing an update to steam, because imagine the outrage you get when stuff is broken.

[lunar jewel]

I just watched a video of a spot in the t-34 where you can kill a tiger from the front

lol

very hard shot tho

also in the m4

[sweet cliff]

Yeah shot traps are cool.

[lunar jewel]

Yea i just recreated it in an empty server. Very hard shot. at 200m you need to be on level ground and the tiger's gun needs to be pointed right at you but if you aim down his gun pretty much you can pen his turret ring for a 2 shot kill. Ofc doing this in an actual game is nearly impossible lol

The only way you could really kill a tiger like this in a real game is if he is solo tanking and extremely incompetent lol

Still a very cool skill shot tho

[sweet cliff]

Better some chance than just dying at least.

[lunar jewel]

also its funny that this shot is possible in the m4 and t-34 but not the 75. haha the 75 is so useless its sad

[sweet cliff]

You mean to say you can do it in the jumbo 75 but not the medium 75?

Tank bible says you can do it from either.

[lunar jewel]

No the video I watched says you can do it in the mediums not the heavy 75

when i say 75 im talking about the jumbo 75

[sweet cliff]

Yeah tank bible indicates you can do it in both, AFAIK the guns on the two tanks are identical, I'd be very surprised if you couldn't do it in the jumbo 75

[lunar jewel]

I need a regular tank crew to play with so badly. Playing with randoms who have no idea what they are doing is so tiring after a while.

[deft trail]

Yea man

You need frens

Cant tank with randos

[lunar jewel]

Yes, I have one person but I need a 3rd ideally

[deft trail]

You need jesus

[lunar jewel]

thankyou so much for your insight

[deft trail]

If you crew with two, just park near friendly garrison

But make sure you are in a heavy tank

The driver can use the coax gun to help the pushing infantry and the gunner can watch out for tanks

[errant thunder]

is there a place to advertise a new server?

[lunar jewel]

yes I understand how to 2 man tanks

[deft trail]

Also the 75 jumbo and the sherman m4 should have the same gun

I still solo the heavies sometimes

I park it at the edge of the map with the tail angled towards the edge

The slow turret is painful but better having a solo tanker than no tanks on the field

[lunar jewel]

meh, debatable

[deft trail]

I dont know how that is even debatable

[sweet cliff]

If there are legitimately no other tankers operating and you have excess fuel I guess it doesn't hurt anything but it's so frustrating when people are doing that and you're short on resources

[lunar jewel]

solo tanking is terribly inefficient and waste of resources and time. I would rather just have some competent AT infantry than a solo tanker.

[deft trail]

Lol nah, 1 shot and the at goes down

I can repair my tank after i kill the enemy

[lunar jewel]

ok have fun trying to engage multiple enemies at the same time or having to deal with any one who is flanking you

[deft trail]

And with a heavy i usually dont even take much damage from other tanks

I mean if there are multiple and they both zero me in then gg

But its not always the case

[lunar jewel]

ok 🙂

[deft trail]

Having one tank is better than no tank

[deft trail]

Simple mafs, 1 > 0

That fuel is not going to win the game

Gotta spend

[sweet cliff]

Yeah I shit talk solo tankers because most of the time when I see them I'm in a crewed tank and they're wasting resources, whether it be fuel, cool downs or auto spawns.

One time one had the gall to go maybe we have too many tank crews, while he was solo and another crew was solo.

[lunar jewel]

Yep

Also the solo tankers are not going to be effective, they will just die in 2 minutes

If you are in a solo tank squad you should ask the commander for 2 people to join you.

[sweet cliff]

Why would you ask the commander that, what are they going to do about it.

[deft trail]

I dont tank if there are already tankers

[lunar jewel]

You can ask the commander or other SL's for any infantry that wants to switch to tank.

This is something that happens all the time

[sweet cliff]

Yes but that's asking command chat not the commander.

He can't talk to anyone you can't.

[deft trail]

Bro, dont you just hate when you command and the squad leaders use you as proxy as if the other squad leaders cant hear them

[lunar jewel]

If you are solo tanking, you are the tank commander. You can ask command chat for people to switch.

[sweet cliff]

See when you say "the commander" I assume you mean the commander of the team, because why would I ask myself for more crew?

[lunar jewel]

bro

ofc i mean the commander of the team

[sweet cliff]

So I say again, why would you ask the commander dude he isn't your secretary.

[lunar jewel]

????

[sweet cliff]

Commander please tell command chat I could use more tank crews.

[lunar jewel]

You just ask in command chat if you can get more people to join you. What is hard to understand?

[sweet cliff]

Because you're saying the commander, not command chat which isn't the same thing.

But tanking with randoms is an exercise in frustration anyway.

[deft trail]

It really is

Back when it was easy to solo, i got more tank kills than when i tanked with randoms

[lunar jewel]

You ask in the commander voice chat. "I am a solo tanker, can I maybe get 2 infantry to switch." SL's will then ask their squads if anyone wants to switch and get back to you. This is how communication works.

[sweet cliff]

Yes, but that is not what you said, but this is a pointless argument so I'm going to drop it.

[deft trail]

😅

[lunar jewel]

It doesnt matter, you can ask the commander himself and then the commander can ask SL's holy lord

[deft trail]

I feel your pain

[lunar jewel]

Am I missing somthing?

How are we stuck on this

[deft trail]

Dont worry bout it, just move on to something else

[lunar jewel]

Im scared to move on now considering we got stuck on that.

[sweet cliff]

The contention is asking command chat directly, vs. asking the commander to ask for you.

Because option 2 is weird and pointless and clogs up command chat with a double ask.

[next oasis]

Players who ask "Commander" for permission...

😬

[lunar jewel]

You literally just pose the question in VC and someone will respond. It might be the Commander it might not be

[sweet cliff]

Anyway the real answer here is tanking with randoms has a poor chance of success because you have no cohesion even if everyone is competent/knowledgeable in the roles they're in which is a real shot in the dark to begin with.

[lunar jewel]

yes

[sweet cliff]

Normally fuel isn't that important if you have no tanks on the field and aren't going to be using them but there's an argument to be made for using that fuel for half tracks and fighting their tanks with regular AT and AT guns.

[deft trail]

Fielding half tracks while the enemy has tank dominance is practically throwing fuel away

[sweet cliff]

I guess it's better to try than to not if you're getting wrecked by enemy tanks but it takes less teamwork to get a gun going than it does to successfully drive to and engage an enemy tank.

Yeah if you drive them all the way forward but if you don't need the fuel for anything why not just park a couple far back to use as spawns recon can't kill if you weren't using that fuel anyway, obviously Kursk is Kursk.

[deft trail]

What is the point of a half track?

[lunar jewel]

Its a mobile spawn point

[deft trail]

Okay

[lunar jewel]

you can use to flank the enemy

[sweet cliff]

It's a spawn point that recon can't disable short of proxy locking it, it's relocatable and it doesn't prevent you from building other garrisons, makes it a great backline option especially if you aren't fuel constrained.

[deft trail]

So if you stop the half track and let people spawn in, where are they going?

[lunar jewel]

a super valuable piece of equipment if you use it correctly

[sweet cliff]

I'd rather have a backline half track than spending the fuel on someone to go blow up for the 8th time without making any impact.

[deft trail]

Thats speculative

[lunar jewel]

lol

[deft trail]

What good is a spawn if the tank will just steam roll through your objectives anyways

[sweet cliff]

Anyway I was talking about using fuel for something else (half tracks) in the situation where you do not have any or any effective tankers at all and infantry can wreck their armor with AT guns if they choose to use them.

Or at least, it's easier to coordinate 2 guys building a gun and killing a tank than it is to get 3 randoms to hop into a tank and operate it effectively enough to kill same tank, unless that tank just can't touch them because it's a class down or whatever.

I feel like that command chat argument earlier was me being pointlessly pedantic so I apologize.

[lunar jewel]

Look, if you are the only tanker on the team, you have excess fuel, your squad is open, you have asked for more people and got no one then go for it and solo tank. At that point you have done all you can do, whatever. But I still think an AT player(s) will be more effective than you.

[lunar jewel]

Its fine lol. I just meant commander vc in general.

[brisk grove]

Had a good game as commander

We still lost

But

Uh

I think we did good

Even though I couldn’t rely on my team to defend fucking garrisons

They are effective but not reliable

Another one of my complaints is how fucking hard it is to get a squad to donate and engineer to build resource nodes

[deft trail]

Its just “command chat” or “team chat”

Anything else is misleading

[brisk grove]

It’s just the fact that so many fucking people play as engineer and are unwilling to be an "engineer"

The roles exists for a reason

[deft trail]

I noticed the opposite , people are catching on about the passive support point xp

They snatch up those supply trucks and build nodes early

[brisk grove]

I’ve mostly seen the be used for garrisons

[deft trail]

Sometimes they snatch up the trucks without an officer and that irritates me

[brisk grove]

And then sometimes the team is only attacking one side of the obj

No flanks or anything

That irritates me when every is bunched up together

All it takes is one bombing run to completely ruin the whole team

[deft trail]

I wiped out an entire defending team and my team still couldnt cap

😞

[brisk grove]

Usually I wipe and they can cap

I fucking love bombing runs

[deft trail]

One bombing run, 126 combat effect

Right over a bunch of dots

[brisk grove]

Our main problem was actually building and defending garrisons

[deft trail]

Team sucks man

😞

[brisk grove]

I would run logistics myself but I was really far and I kept rubber banding while in supply truck

I was literally 1km away and it was painful

Gonna try to always have one squad on logistics

[deft trail]

Have to use airhead to reinforce a captured objective because none of the attackers planned for a capture

😞

[brisk grove]

I haven’t played commander on that mode yet

Luckily

[deft trail]

Its warfare

[brisk grove]

Haven’t played warfare command yet

[deft trail]

Its harder

[brisk grove]

But I did pretty good for my first time

There was one objective left

If I had artillery I could do very evil things to the other teaam

I have a guy that does artillery very well, found him while I was playin as an officer, we were just playing support and hitting tanks and other vehicles

[deft trail]

Artillery is cake walk like recon, its why i dont play it

Im all about that funplay

[brisk grove]

Recon is hard for me

It’s the only role I can’t play

I’ve never really been on a team where recon is effectively used

[deft trail]

If you play on stmere, just perch up on the belltower

Snipe for miles

[brisk grove]

I feel like there should be radio channels for each unit type

Like an armored radio channel, recon and one for infantry

[deft trail]

Its too confusing for people to grasp the three chats we have now

[brisk grove]

How so

If you have more than 2 brain cells it should be easy

[deft trail]

They dum

[formal tiger]

People just need to learn how to not communicate useless shit

[brisk grove]

Most of the time the radio is used for something useful

[lunar jewel]

I have thought about that. Unfortunately the VOIP system is a mess to deal with and also having so many radio channels and how they work could become very confusing for players

[brisk grove]

It is very simple

[formal tiger]

theres a guy with a satchel behind whoever has the 76mm.
Good example
Bro i just did some nasty things to my gf
Sweden isn't a real country
Man this team sucks
Bad example

[deft trail]

If radios acted like real radios nothing would ever get communicated properly

[brisk grove]

They should put the feature in the game and weed out the dumbasses

[deft trail]

Would weed out virtually a good chunk of the playerbase

[lunar jewel]

I would love if they added some way tank crews could actually communicate that didn't clog up command chat. Maybe another tank role like radio crewman or something. If both tanks had a radio crewman they could communicate with each other. Would be nice.

[deft trail]

Youd be at post scriptum level

[formal tiger]

No because those people would just learn enough to be annoying

[brisk grove]

Command chat is a shitshow

[lunar jewel]

yep

[brisk grove]

That’s why we need more channels

[lunar jewel]

well, depends on the server tbh

[formal tiger]

Having more channels won't fix the problem

[lunar jewel]

but most of the time yes

[brisk grove]

I feel like it would

[formal tiger]

You'll just have random dudes clogging up more channels with useless info

[brisk grove]

We aren’t adding barriers to communication we are simply building more than 3 fucking bridges

[formal tiger]

And Os now have to listen to a 4th line of communication

Potentially at the exact same time

[brisk grove]

We’d have to fix that

You should only be able to listen to the channel you have set

Just make it a setting

If you want to listen to 6 channels at once that’s your choice

[formal tiger]

Theres really no need for more then 2 channels, if people would just use the comms appropriately.
But people gonna do what people gonna do

[deft trail]

Squad chat shouldnt even exist

Should just be local and team

Swuad chat encourages squads to fracture up

[brisk grove]

How would it encourage them to fracture

[formal tiger]

Because then they have to be near their SL for command guidance and information

They can't yeet into the HQ artillery zone

Alone

[brisk grove]

I’m not saying your channel specifically for your unit should be removed

[formal tiger]

I mean, technically they could. But they will be completely alone

[brisk grove]

You should always be able to communicate with you CO

[formal tiger]

Ergo, you need to be in voice prox range to communicate with your SL

Even in modern armies most soldiers that aren't NCOs don't have a radio

And this was even more true during ww2, where a LT would be the lowest level with a radio besides specific missions

[brisk grove]

Interesting

[next lava]

It's not a bad idea for tanks (and artillery) to have their own channel, and a tank phone that acts like a two person prox chat.

[brisk grove]

Ye

If I want to talk specifically to my armored units I should be able to

[lunar jewel]

yea i just made the suggestion in new member feedback for a tank radio channel of some kind

[brisk grove]

Right?

[deft trail]

They should replace squad chat with tanker chat

[sweet cliff]

The more voice channels you add the more potential voices I have talking in my ear which is not a great thing, and if I mute the channel then people are just talking into the wind clogging the channel up more wondering why I'm not responding.

[brisk grove]

That’s why I wanted it to be an option

You be able to make it so that you are listening ONLY to the channel you selected

Rather than all at once

Maybe it’s still a bad thing

[distant otter]

when you install this game, it starts the public testing realm install first, can i pause this and install the actual game first or will this mess up the installation?

[sweet cliff]

Well, on PC I really don't see this happening because of Vivox, but it's nice to dream.

They're totally separate builds you don't need the PTE installed to play.

[next lava]

Console players already have an additional "party" channel. But I agree something like a tank/artillery channel should only be heard if you're "tuned in".

[distant otter]

right on, looking forward to get into the game. how does this discord do for finding players? or am i better off finding a separate clan/discord for for comm games

[next lava]

Otherwise you're cluttering command chat with low level tank manoeuvre, or artillery requests, etc... although you can get away with it if the commanders/officers exercise some brevity.

[next lava]

Check in both #pc-looking-for-unit and #pc-divisions-recruitment HTH.

[sweet cliff]

I've never tried playing with anyone from this discord, a lot of community servers, NPA, Glow, etc. have associated discords, I'd recommend playing on actively admin'd community servers.

[sweet cliff]

Also give the new players guide a read https://www.reddit.com/r/hellletloose/comments/q23r8m/_/

[distant otter]

nice, ill give it a look

[deft trail]

Play with me you will have lots of fun

[brazen peak]

<@&365680483276816385> I would like to speak to a mod if possible.

[potent bough]

New to HLL if you want to play add me RISK104 on Xbox I’ll be on after the gym

[urban bronze]

@brazen peak DM me if you'd like to chat

[brisk grove]

How the fuck do you expect me to build fucking garrisons then??

Like I’m genuinely curious wtf do you want me to do

[noble oasis]

Maybe it could fall alittle afore the parachute opens

[brisk grove]

What’s the point of complaining when I trust your squad to defend the supplies until they drop

[deft trail]

Ill liter the map with supplies, so many supply drop the enemy lose track

The trick is to drop it 300- 400 m away from enemy strong point

The further it is the more likely theyll be to not care about

[noble oasis]

The one true answer to whether or not that pineapple goes on pizza

[deft trail]

The power of Christ compels you! 💦

[noble oasis]

Man i had to read that three time before you changed it

He power if?

[deft trail]

Phone keypads are small man

[noble oasis]

Yea my fongers cover up wards of 6 keys on my phone

[deft trail]

I cant even turn this app sideways

Literally holding phone up with one hand and typing with the one other thumb

[noble oasis]

I have to use my index finger

[deft trail]

I thought pineapple was the worst thing to put on pizza, i was wrong, anchovies are

Im used to eating dried and crispy anchovies i thought thats how they were for pizzas too, i was wrong. Theyre soggy and briny

[unkempt storm]

I hope you are asking the squad if it’s okay/clear to drop supplies first 🧐🧐

[brisk grove]

I always do because I don’t want to lose those supplies, that much is common sense

[unkempt storm]

Good job dirty Dan

[brisk grove]

I just hate when that particular squad fails to follow up

[deft trail]

I drop it on them anyways

😏

Maybe not right on them but close

Cause lets be real, they arent gonna take the point themselves

And the chances of them being that smart to swap roles to double up on supplies is very slim

[bitter sable]

Won my first game as commander last night. Had a really awesome group of Officers to play around.

[brisk grove]

I wish I had a fun group of officers my game

We definitely would have fucking won

The fact that there was radio silence %60 of the game

[bitter sable]

That's why I really had to stop playing console.

I only put a couple of hours into it but the three games I played, it was me and maybe two other people with mics.

While I don't think they're absolutely necessary, having coms does make things a hell of a lot smoother.

[indigo belfry]

S! fellow comrades

[thin delta]

so i have a question - im looking to pick up a ww2 large scale tactical shooter next month (im sure you know which two are on my mind) and hell let loose is seeming like a very attractive choice considering its big player base. theres two things im concerned about though

one big thing and one small thing

[bitter sable]

Hi @indigo belfry hi @thin delta

[thin delta]

the big thing being shitty lone wolf type players, since i do want to stick mostly to playing closely with teams. and with a game this popular, matchmaking can sometimes be its downfall with players that do not care about teamwork in the slightest being matched up with you. how competent is the average squad in yalls experience?

[bitter sable]

It's a non factor imo.

And I say that as someone with 250 hours on the PC version.

[thin delta]

i suppose with the popularity of the game im expecting a lot of the players to have come over from stuff like battlefield and treating the game as such. if thats not a common thing, im glad, because im coming from more serious milsim experiences and kind of just want a fun ww2 shooter thats still nice and cooperative

[bitter sable]

You're always going to run into players who won't listen or just want to be asses for the sake of the lulz but the community has so many genuinely good men and women that you'll more often than not be in good company.

[sweet cliff]

You looking to play on PC or console?

[thin delta]

pc

[sweet cliff]

Because on PC you can choose to play on community servers and link up with a community as opposed to playing on random stuff, console is just match making so you have no real control.

[bitter sable]

Console side might be a little different but on PC mostly everyone I've ran into comes from Rising Storm, Squad, or Post Scriptum.

[sweet cliff]

Increasing your odds of being able to play with people that will play how you want to play.

Random squads even on PC are just that, random and you'll get a mix of people who don't talk/do whatever they want and people who work well.

[thin delta]

post scriptum is the other game id be looking into but the low player count and slow development cycle are kind of turning me off, although i do prefer more realistic gameplay. hell let loose should still be up there with what im used to, from what ive seen

[sweet cliff]

Also community servers are nice because they go hand in hand with active admins so when people are TKing/etc. you can rely on active intervention instead of vote kicks.

PS is so cheap you might as well get both.

Well it was cheap, it's not on sale anymore.

[thin delta]

fair point, ive also been looking into doing that haha

keeping in mind that im in germany of course

[bitter sable]

Post Scriptum is good BUT it has a much steeper learning curve imo. You might like that. I didn't find it nearly as engaging as HLL.

[thin delta]

i mean i have 550 hours or so in arma 3, most of that in highly modded milsim, so im a sucker for steep learning curves

but HLL just feels more polished from what ive seen and polish is very nice to have

[bitter sable]

While HLL does emulate a lot of milsim elements I'd say it's the most friendly of the games in that genre. You can confirm kills. It technically has hit markers. I just think the combat is some of the best in the genre.

[thin delta]

of course i havent played either game yet so im just relying on what other people are saying

[tall orchid]

dude ease up on the analysis paralysis, it’s just a video game 🙂

[sweet cliff]

Plenty of YouTube/Twitch stuff out there you can watch both.

[tall orchid]

buy it and give it a go, you can always refund it if it isn’t your speed

[sweet cliff]

HLL is what like $40? It's not hard to get hundreds of hours out of it at which point it's basically free.

[thin delta]

how long does a HLL match usually take in your experience?

[indigo belfry]

There's a game called world war two online which is jokes, terrible graphics but basically a WW2 simulator (pc only)

[tall orchid]

45 minutes

[thin delta]

good amount of time

[sweet cliff]

Warfare max time is 90 minutes, Offensive max time is 2.5 hours + potential for short overtime.

[bitter sable]

Depends. We steam rolled two games last night and had them finished in 15 and 19 minutes each. Then I've had games drag out for the whole 90 minutes.

[sweet cliff]

So the shortest you realistically see is around 20 minutes for Warfare, depends how badly the team gets steam rolled.

You save the XP you get as you go, you just don't get end of match bonuses so leaving early isn't the end of the world.

[thin delta]

also this is another weirdly important thing to me - i hate doing voice chat in german, and i know that this is how it usually goes with ww2 games in germany because theyre different versions but, do germans play on german-exclusive servers or on EU servers? the latter would be greatly preferable

[tall orchid]

wat

[sweet cliff]

You can play on any server you have a good ping to.

[thin delta]

thats good

[sweet cliff]

There's no swastikas in game so you guys aren't walled off.

[thin delta]

perfect!

[bitter sable]

You'll love the game.

It took me a bit to really get it but once it finally clicked, it's all I play. I really haven't gone back to Squad since.

[unkempt storm]

I’m confused bruh

[bitter sable]

And I'm still in quarantine so I'm going to get a couple of games in here soon.

[sweet cliff]

If you spend a few minutes reading the new players guide https://www.reddit.com/r/hellletloose/comments/q23r8m/_/ you'll have a general idea of how the game works.

[thin delta]

the stalingrad video by karmakut has made me really want to play hell let loose haha

[tall orchid]

so… play it

[bitter sable]

It's something squads should be utilizing. You deploy your op. Your first support drops their supplies. Redeploy into a different role. Then someone else in your squad redeploys as support. Spawn on op. Drop their supplies. Boom. 100 supplies in enemy territory with no air drop.

[bitter sable]

Don't be a dick. This channel is here for people to ask questions.

[thin delta]

i like to consider things a little more carefully before spending money on them, so im asking stuff ahead of time

[tall orchid]

how is that being a dick? don’t be an oversensitive twat

[bitter sable]

Because you seem upset that someone wants to get a couple of questions answered before making a purchase.

We're here to help.

[tall orchid]

you’ll like it. most of us came from milsims and have well over 1000 hours

[tall orchid]

im not upset. project onto someone else

[bitter sable]

The only problem is randoms hate redeploying. I guess because it counts as a death. Their poor kda!

[sweet cliff]

Gentlemen. You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!

[tall orchid]

i will fight here or there, i will fight everywhere

[unkempt storm]

Two completely different things. Dropping supplies vs. Swapping, if they aren’t gunna swap, you should still ask before dropping imo. I’ll still drop them if they’re silent, their fault then

[thin delta]

also because this is a ww2 game and i know what tends to happen with ww2 games - the community isnt full of weird ww2-era-germany fetishizing dickwads?

[unkempt storm]

Liberalists

[thin delta]

its one of the things that makes me never want to touch hoi4 with a 10 foot pole

[tall orchid]

they’re around, but they get yeeted pretty quickly

[thin delta]

good

[sweet cliff]

You can find wehraboos anywhere. I don't think they're common.

[bitter sable]

It's called swapping because the first support switches roles so someone else can take the support class. It's two sets of 50 supplies with no cool down. And any strong offensive squad should utilize it.

[tall orchid]

and they definitely don’t last long in community servers

[sweet cliff]

Another bonus to community servers, they can get rid of anyone they want.

[unkempt storm]

Bruhhhhh this ain’t about swapping 😖

[glad pasture]

Please treat others as you would wish to be treated. We ask that you remain polite and civil, failure to do so will result in a ban.

[bitter sable]

Oh God. Now I'm thinking about War of Rights. 🤮🤮

[unkempt storm]

This barracks be 🔥 lately

[thin delta]

wait, who was breaking that rule?

[bitter sable]

I was looking forward to that game. The Confederate fetishists...

[unkempt storm]

Sometimes I wanna think I’d enjoy it, but way too slow for my liking

[thin delta]

yup, im avoiding games id otherwise love to play simply because of who else plays them

gotta be especially careful as a trans person tbh

[bitter sable]

Yeah, I think most HLL communities are really good about getting those kind of players out of their servers.

War of Rights, meanwhile. Jesus. I had to refund it. It was so bad.

[barren mural]

Anyone else not able to see other enemies for the life of themselves?

[sweet cliff]

It's hard, especially if they aren't moving.

If you're playing on console your TV size/distance from the TV may also be an issue.

[bitter sable]

It's a thing that comes with time. I recommend you watch monoespecial on YouTube. He has a good breakdown on taking your time and spotting enemies.

[thin delta]

oh another concern of mine is with the slightly more lenient loadouts compared to games like post scriptum - is there some sort of system in place to keep everyone from just using automatic weapons?

[sweet cliff]

Nope.

[bitter sable]

Nah.

[sweet cliff]

Every US troop has at least a semi-auto, with the exception of the up to 2 snipers on the team. Most of the german team is going to have a semi auto or at least an MP-40, but there are some bolt action riflemen and the Soviets have a lot of PPSh's, with some bolt actions.

[bitter sable]

That is one thing a couple of my Post Scriptum friends stopped playing HLL due to - weapons

[foggy thistle]

The tanks are a decent counter to small arms.

[thin delta]

itd kind of break my immersion if i was playing on, say, the stalingrad map but all the germans were just running stg44s

[bitter sable]

But I know people who put in work with the bolt actions and prefer them to the semi auto.

[sweet cliff]

Each class has different loadouts that are unlocked at different levels which affects what weapons you personally can use.

[sweet cliff]

I regret to inform you.

[tall orchid]

the devs have abandoned any sense of realism in that aspect

[thin delta]

do community servers implement fixes for that?

[sweet cliff]

But there's not that many stgs, only a couple of classes.

No, no mods, very limited server side settings.

[bitter sable]

Nah STG is limited to I think just the assault class. That said, you're going to see a lot of MP40s

[sweet cliff]

Automatic Rifleman also has it.

[tall orchid]

automatics are everywhere

[sweet cliff]

You'll also see Tigers and late war Pz IVs on Stalingrad if you find that unacceptable.

[tall orchid]

devs don’t give a shit

[thin delta]

i suppose ill be the player to use the kar98k in that case haha

[bitter sable]

Bolt actions are still really good.

[thin delta]

id imagine so

[sweet cliff]

TTK in the game is low, so you generally unless you hit limbs don't need to shoot someone with a bolt action more than once, unless they're far away.

[thin delta]

mp40s are gonna have a worse time to kill in any game that knows how to balance

[bitter sable]

My friend averages about 30 kills per game. Doesn't like any weapon aside from SVT and Kar.

[sweet cliff]

But it's still going to be exceedingly difficult to shoot a guy with a K98 when they're mag dumping PPSh suppression at you.

[bitter sable]

Yeah that's true too.

[thin delta]

semi auto rifles like the garand would probably be the sweet spot for me

not because i can rapid fire but because the sight picture doesnt get fucked with after every shot

[foggy thistle]

Might get the Czech ZB-26 or ZB-30 as a mid war replacement for the StG 44

[thin delta]

i mean at least its not a battlefield 1 situation where literally everyone is running around with super late war experimental smgs

i could definitely still get immersed even with too many mp40s

[sweet cliff]

Yeah all of the weapons/tanks are real, even if they don't operate exactly like their real life counter part, but they're available no matter the year, the vehicle roster is small though so it wouldn't really work well if they weren't available.

Realistically nobody in here at this point is going to tell you to do anything but buy it and try it.

[thin delta]

gonna be until the 1st until i have money again so im just doing my best with the time till then haha

[tall orchid]

lol microsoft is buying activision blizzard

news I did not expect to wake up to

[sweet cliff]

If money is that tight I'd watch some people play on Twitch until then and decide if you think you'll like it, the steam refund window is pretty small.

[thin delta]

money isnt tight, i just dont have any right now haha

[sweet cliff]

Water is not wet, it's just liquidy.

watch content if you're still unsure, we can answer gameplay questions. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[thin delta]

im pretty much set on buying hell let loose at this point, this conversation reaffirmed me

[peak veldt]

Thankfully absent from the games I’ve been in - probably spend their time watching “””history””” vids on odd parts of YouTube

[peak veldt]

Happy to have a new player on board!

Welcome

[sweet cliff]

You can still find them, someone a week or two back linked an SS Discord in here, but community servers will filter that stuff out.

[thin delta]

"how can we make every country have an assault rifle" seems to be the dice way to go about it

[thin delta]

the weapons i mean

glad hell let loose doesnt do that at least

[sweet cliff]

Expect the average enemy you run into to either have a semi auto or some sort of automatic weapon, be that a submachine gun or whatever, it's not always true but it's common.

[thin delta]

just means im gonna have an advantage at range with a kar98k haha

or garand, i suppose. or mosin.

or SMLE but apparently the british faction is DLC?

[sweet cliff]

The British content does not exist as a released product at this time.

[thin delta]

oh right thats still coming

[sweet cliff]

It's on the 2022 content roadmap.

[thin delta]

yknow what scares me about the roadmap?

[sweet cliff]

Any chance the mods could pin the current roadmap in here.

[thin delta]

the FG42 being on the roadmap makes me kind of scared that a bunch of people are gonna be running around with a gun that was essentially vaporware

[sweet cliff]

The FG42 is already in game.

[thin delta]

oh

is that a problem then?

[sweet cliff]

It came out in U11 (latest release, came out 7 December)

Not really? That's an opinion, it's available to level 6 automatic rifleman as a 20 round full auto and to the level 4? something sniper as a 10 round semi-auto with a lower power zoom than the K98.

[thin delta]

thats not too bad

[tall orchid]

it’s also not all that great

if I’m playing AR, I’d much rather use the STG

if I’m sniper, I’d rather use the kar98

[thin delta]

gotcha

[nimble furnace]

Pffff

[sweet cliff]

A lot of people in here, myself included have very strong opinions, especially about certain aspects of the game and our opinions won't necessarily translate to your actual in game experience.

[thin delta]

ill probably still have a really nice time

[peak veldt]

100%

[sweet cliff]

Also be aware when watching YouTube content to evaluate stuff, we're on U11 (7 Dec 21 release), U10 came out 20 July 2021, don't know when U9 came out, but look at the upload date and you should be able to figure out what update it was on.

So sometimes there's game play changes between updates, and then there's new content, for instance the Pz IV came out in U11 and the Panther was temporarily removed until U12.

So if you want to run around in a Panther you'll be temporarily disappointed.

[tall orchid]

RIP my panther bb

[sweet cliff]

Yeah I'm curious to see what it changes in to, what an unbalanced medium tank in U10 though that thing was tooooo good for what it was.

[modern rampart]

There's really only one change I am hoping for in U12 and that's that god damn loadout rework

and by loadout rework I mean giving Medic and Sniper SMGs of course.

[drowsy kettle]

Microsoft just bought Activision Blizzard for 68 billion dollars

That almost 10 times what Bethesda was bought for

[deft trail]

Activision is good

But 68 billion is uh.. really high

[novel verge]

Wonder how the Cod franchise will handle it's limited content and early releases for the playstation now.

[kindred snow]

Wow, smells like monopoly is getting closer and closer

God I hate the gaming industry

[deft trail]

Nah.

Aside from WoW, it hasnt produced anything really spectacular.

Some employee is prob getting a bonus for inflating internal numbers to get that 68 billion dollar merger

Might not even be 100% cash, prob stock deals like every other buyout

[tall orchid]

its a pretty reasonable figure considering their market cap before all the sexual assault drama started tanking their stock price

[nimble furnace]

Are we talking about CNN here?🤔

[tall orchid]

wat

[deft trail]

Well, ms owns minecraft and wow now

💰

[novel verge]

Poor ps players ):

Good thing Sony owns most of the good IPs in the console space anyway

But it will soon be all they own

[deft trail]

Does it?

[nimble furnace]

Hmmm 🤔 people think too deeply about pixels on a screen.

[deft trail]

I think hard about everything, it tickles my neurons

[nimble furnace]

Neuron stimulation is highly addictive.🤓

[kindred snow]

When it's the biggest entertainment industry, people care.

[nimble furnace]

It is the biggest, that’s true.

[unkempt storm]

🤤

[novel verge]

Im sure the people spending 70B in assets are thinking deeply about pixels on the screen

[nimble furnace]

Seems a bit obsessive and nerdy to me.😊

[novel verge]

Guess all the people sitting in discord on a Tuesday are nerdy anyway lol

[nimble furnace]

Why Tuesday?

Tuesdayist.

[thin delta]

okay im just gonna buy both hell let loose and post scriptum so i don't have to break my head figuring out which one to get

[novel verge]

Have you played squad?

[thin delta]

nope, just arma

[nimble furnace]

Hardly no one is playing Post scriptum… that’s a sign it’s not very good.

[thin delta]

that's not how it works

[nimble furnace]

Yes it is

[novel verge]

So the most glaring difference is the ticket system of PS

In that game, you start with a finite amount of resources and have to play more carefully to manage them. In HLL you have a resource system but can put in place nodes that will generate the resource. So it turns more into a management game and not a rationing game

That's the biggest notable difference for me.

[thin delta]

judging from footage, gunplay and movement are a good bit different in post scriptum as well, and i think both games have enough going for them for me to get them and play them in different moods

[nimble furnace]

I’ve watched people playing it on YouTube and Twitch, it looks cartooney and not very good.

[novel verge]

I mean, maybe a tad bit different. Both still more similar than something like Cod for instance.

I don't think the differences are very large

For me it came down to things like Team17 backing HLL, the character customization, gameplay direction, popularity.

I own both

But only play HLL

[thin delta]

fair, i just kinda gotta see

[kindred snow]

Post Scriptum is dead, don't even bother tbh

Post Scriptum has 550 players average last 30 days

Hell Let Loose is 5.4k

Global

[thin delta]

the game has a lot more updates planned soon than it had recently, so it may well rebound

[kindred snow]

When I played it, it was Hell Let Loose but made by 15 year olds

Imo

[thin delta]

well, it is a much smaller team

the fixed loadouts would be a big plus to me, no squads full of mp40s or anything

both games have pros and cons

[novel verge]

To be fair

You don't get that much anyway

[kindred snow]

HLL really took the wind off of PS

If it wasn't around the same time as HLL, maybe it woulda gone better, but I wouldn't be surprised if the game shut down

[novel verge]

Each class takes probably 20-30 hours of playtime to get to the point that they can just have an mp40. And it's only about half of the classes that can even use said gun

And there are tons of instances in which the kar98 is better

[thin delta]

theyre still actively developing and have a sizeable modding community. the game is way more active in europe than in america

[novel verge]

Honestly just sounds like you want both

[thin delta]

which i do

[novel verge]

You don't have to justify it to us lol

[thin delta]

i kind of just like pointing out my reasoning

[novel verge]

Definitely fair, but consider where you are. We don't hang in the HLL discord because we like PS lol

Just going to get a biased answer out of most people I guess

[thin delta]

well to be fair, mentioning HLL by name in the PS discord isnt allowed

[novel verge]

Oof

[thin delta]

a big disadvantage and what could well kill PS for me is the fact that german servers are separate to EU servers because the original game contains swastikas. and i really do not care for german voice chat haha

[novel verge]

Yeah, I could imagine

[kindred snow]

Looking at player stats, PS has been dying quick, just over 200 players average in October 2021

[humble jacinth]

I want a pacific map so bad but i know some people wouldnt want that lmao

It would feel more like slow battlefield V

[kindred snow]

I want more Russian maps that aren't hot garbage

[deft trail]

Oof

[kindred snow]

I hate both Russian maps, Kursk is basically built for snipers

Which is fun if you're a sniper or a good shot

[deft trail]

I like making hard shots

Its become a habit

Now if the shot is easy, i refuse to take it

Its become a weakness

[novel verge]

I guess?

Shouldn't you be punishing the weaknesses of your enemy

[deft trail]

No

[novel verge]

I'd be curious to see how a controller works in HLL

I feel like it would be difficult to make micro adjustments

[deft trail]

Terribly

[kindred snow]

Not well probably, PC master race tier represent

[novel verge]

Do they have some level of aim assist?

Well you can still play controller on PC

I think you mean MKB superior lol

[deft trail]

I mean if youre surgical with the thumb, good for you

[novel verge]

It's not really a thing?

[deft trail]

I have more wrist control than thumb

[novel verge]

Maybe the top 10% of controller players are "surgical with a thumb"

But it's probably even less than that

[deft trail]

How common is it for someone to make 200 m shots with a controller

[novel verge]

Great question

Couldn't even tell you how common it is for someone to use a controller

[deft trail]

Well the game is on console

So pretty common?

[novel verge]

I don't know the console playerbase,. Gameplay style

I have never played a console

Maybe they fight at closer ranges?

Wouldn't know

[kindred snow]

Probably win like trash tbh

Console is so inaccurate

[deft trail]

It used to be the longest reach for gun fight was battlefield for console

This is prob the first of its kind for console games

[novel verge]

I have to say it is cool seeing indie games enter the console market

[kindred snow]

I wouldn't call the HLL devs indie

[nimble furnace]

What would you call them?

[kindred snow]

A dev

[novel verge]

Triple A, and Indie?

Is there a double A?

Or a single A?

[kindred snow]

Somewhere between AAA and indie

[novel verge]

What is that called?

[kindred snow]

They have tons of big games on their name

[nimble furnace]

Silly

[novel verge]

Not sure it has a name

[kindred snow]

Developers

That's what it's called

[novel verge]

I guess?

It's more just to express not large established video game companies with popular names making a game?

[kindred snow]

Dunno

[novel verge]

But you can argue this one specifically

I'm more just talking about in general

Tons of indie teams making console games

[kindred snow]

I'd say if AAA is CoD or Battlefield, were talking like AA

Maybe A

Idk

[nimble furnace]

Who cares!😅

[kindred snow]

You asked

[nimble furnace]

Not me.

[kindred snow]

This u?

[nimble furnace]

Nah, that was my little brother.

😅

[kindred snow]

You need to see a doctor if you forgot that fast

[novel verge]

Yeah, seeing as how the term AAA is a informal classification. You could use AA and A.

There just seems to be a insurrection of AAA games by the consumer

[nimble furnace]

It wasn’t me, it was the one armed man.

[novel verge]

One armed one eyed Willy

Dangerous sailor

[kindred snow]

I love The Goonies

[nimble furnace]

Everyone does

All time classic

[nimble furnace]

So what’s it called then??

[kindred snow]

Your mom

[nimble furnace]

Potty mouth!🙂

[novel verge]

Activision was bought with pure cash

No assets

Crazy

[warm knot]

that's microsoft for you

[deft trail]

They better still be working on diablo 4!

[warm knot]

when has a studio that has been bought by microsoft ever been improved?

[kindred snow]

It's coming for phones again

DO YOU GUYS NOT HAVE PHONES??

[nimble furnace]

We have lives.

And HLL is apart of it.😊

Anything else is Triple AAA Nonsense.

This of course, is my independent thoughts 💭

[deft trail]

Theres been a decline in creativity in act/bliz

You can tell after the 2nd diablo the story turned to shit

Same for starcraft

I dont need to say much about cod

[deft trail]

When you live in an echochamber

[novel verge]

That means more gamepass games

Which I'm a fan of

So idc lol

[deft trail]

Depends on the title

Does MS include blockbuster games in their gamepass selection

[novel verge]

I believe so?

Has tons of new releases on gamepass

Gears 5 releases straight to gamepass, Halo infinite, almost all the Bethesda games

[deft trail]

Thats pretty nice

How much is subscription

[novel verge]

4.99/ month

On PC

There is a version bundled with the Xbox live subscription for 15.99

[nimble furnace]

I’ve deleted all that, don’t like it running in the background.😏

[dawn widget]

Usually free for 3 months for new users

Lots of excellent games to be fair... Sea of thieves etc

[uncut jasper]

If you buy packs of gummy worms, you get free months of Gamepass

Like $3 a month when you do the matb

[spark edge]

Is ther any greeks playing this game any community I can join if there is one please dm me guys!

[slim fractal]

I believe there is even a Greek community established if you browse through #pc-divisions-recruitment

@dawn widget ☝️

[winged hamlet]

Uh. No it's not

[thin delta]

?? read what my message said

[winged hamlet]

Mentioning HLL isn't forbidden

[thin delta]

it kind of is

[winged hamlet]

Nope

You just can't usually post videos promoting it. Or to the opposite effect, you can't overly bash it either

[thin delta]

on that topic, i got a kind of stupid question about HLL that i haven't seen mentioned in any videos

how do the magazines work? usual shooter magic where they refill when you reload, or more realistic where throwing away a half empty mag means you lose those rounds?

[gloomy grove]

Shooter magic

[thin delta]

sad

[deft trail]

Would be interesting to have some realistic ammunition accountability

Dare I say it, neat

[silk nymph]

hey lads

thinking of buying the game

is the dlc needed at all? does it divide the player base between those that have and those that dont

[next oasis]

it's just cosmetics for now

expansions, like new fronts will very likely be chargeable DLC

[silk nymph]

chargeable?

[next oasis]

paid

[silk nymph]

not a fan of those, always end up dividing the playerbase, but if there are none atm then we gucci

[round reef]

hello there. I'm new to these type of games. just bought Hell Let Loose.

[next oasis]

there will be, they've already alluded to it for future content. They've said they don't intend to split the playerbase with the paid DLC, but we don't know for sure how they will. People have speculated ways already however.

[cyan violet]

What’s a good clan for someone new and not trying to take this super seriously

[next lava]

I made 14 kills at 200m+ last night with the BAR on PHL... it was not easy, took 2-3 shots on each one.

[next lava]

One speculative idea I heard was only unlocking loadouts for new factions when you buy the expansion (while still recording XP towards the role)

[young zodiac]

Would be better than what it’s going to be

Surely they will keep the kickstarter stuff free for everyone like the pacific and British expansion

[dawn widget]

Those were stretch goals which weren't met

^ argument slightly undermined by mortars ($110K) not being in the game yet

[young zodiac]

Some of the ones that weren’t met are already in

But I see your point

[dawn widget]

Yeah I'm just being a lawyer, I think the moral argument supports you

No Kickstarter, no game

[wet wedge]

This seems like the type of game that would be way more fun if every squad wasn't so quiet

[noble oasis]

my mic is broke

[blissful sky]

Does anyone know how to play pc with Xbox

Or maybe stream a Xbox to pc to play with them

[slim fractal]

There's no crossplay between consoles and PC.

[blissful sky]

My friend said that he heard people say their on pc

Shame

[slim fractal]

He heard wrong or the people he listens are stupid 🤷

[blissful sky]

Hopefully they add it

[slim fractal]

I honestly don't know how people keeps coming here with that misconception.

[blissful sky]

Or maybe add it to cloud gaming

[blissful sky]

I searched it up but just wanted to make sure

[slim fractal]

No I'm not blaming you, I blame your friend who told you this misinformation.

[blissful sky]

Yeah

I still think that streaming Xbox to pc may work though

[slim fractal]

They won't.

[blissful sky]

That’s sad

Do you know why?

[slim fractal]

🤷

[blissful sky]

Would you say he’ll let loose us still fun without friends

[earnest dagger]

Can anyone tell me if there is a feature to check out the maps with some sort of camera besides spectator mode without owning your own server? Id like to plan strats for myself and my friends on some of the maps. Or is there anyone thats willing to allow me to spectate their maps on their server? Was especially looking for Omaha as its one of the maps played competitively. Thanks

[gloomy grove]

Omaha is never played competitively

But no, you need a server or someone willing to lend you theirs

[earnest dagger]

Is there a way to allow someone to spectate on their server without giving admin perms?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJHyYWA0wik&t=2434s

And sorry forgot this was Utah

Not Omaha

[thin delta]

what if female player models for the soviets 😳

[low star]

What we really need is for some of the maps like kursk not to be absolute a$$. It's literally a big triangle w/o cover.
1 or 2 other maps are quite annoying, but besides that, I'm having an absolute blast in-game

Clocked 54.9h already and starting to lead squads

[novel verge]

I play it 90% solo. It's super fun, I'd you're willing to make friends along the way, talk in game, communicate. If you don't, others won't. It's 100% doable.

[thin delta]

thats one thing i hate about insurgency lmao, the game is heavily built around communication and unless you really annoy the hell out of your team they wont start talking

[novel verge]

I guess? That's the nature of uncoordination, is playing with random people. I don't think uncoordination doesn't mean you can't win though.

Insurgency is like hardcore Cod, where as HLL is not. I think if you play HLL you have the willingness to play with the squad.

[low star]

Hehe true

[next birch]

You are right 💯 . There's pretty much no point in playing this game without communication

[indigo belfry]

Dr English are you here?

[wicked pulsar]

Wheyyy hello chaps Dr English here part timer gamer

[indigo belfry]

Welcome soldier

[wicked pulsar]

How are you finding the game @indigo belfry ?

[indigo belfry]

Um

Yes good

Enjoying the planes

[obsidian tartan]

Huh?

[novel verge]

I think that was sarcasm

[toxic lichen]

Seeding HLL Official - Europe #06 ,, we need more players

[tall orchid]

lol

thats a first

[warm knot]

"seeding" an official server

[unkempt storm]

Seeding is dirty 🤤

[slim fractal]

Wrong channel, there is #pc-seeding-help

[unkempt storm]

Ouf

My new home

[unkempt storm]

Plenty of hot singles on #pc-seeding-help

[deft trail]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wmHTRuLdnpA

The only way to treat captives

[cinder sonnet]

even despite any licensing/technical issues, there's a massive difference between controller and M+kb players

mouse aim will kill the controller 8/10 times

[noble oasis]

mouse and keyboard is better for FPS games , but controller is better for more movement based games like dying light and rally

[still vault]

Remember to disable Enhance Pointer Precision in the Mouse Control Panel settings to ensure both Controllers and the Mouse benefit.

[gilded rune]

hi, is in this game some group system that i can play with my friends?

[nimble furnace]

You can create a squad and lock it, so your friends can join it

[quick bolt]

I hope when (if) they add a better queuing system, you can create a lobby to search for a match w/ friends

[nimble furnace]

That would be good.

[edgy patio]

Hey all, thinking about picking up the game. Just wondering if anyone plays on Linux? I'm on Ubuntu and the game isn't listed as compatible on Proton but often it ends up working anyway. Just want to know before I spend the money

[gilded rune]

can i see my group mates some other colors than other players?

[tall orchid]

i think there's an issue with EAC working with linux

[edgy patio]

OK will consider getting it for the windows boot. Saw some YouTube clips and looks great.

[sweet cliff]

Your squad is highlighted as green on the map and when they use squad voice chat, you'll also be grouped together on the scoreboard

[uncut smelt]

yeah you also can join a friend's game on steam via the "Join Game" function which was added recently

and you and your friends can all buy VIP to a particular server that is ideal based on your locations and skip queues/play together at ideal pings. Some servers have cheap VIP deals (like $3-$5/month)

[prime quartz]

actually though I think Call of Duty looks better

[still vault]

The shot being a compressed one of a model in shadow also does not help Hell Let Loose.

[prime quartz]

the big advantage for CoD is motion captured animation

also the ability to force interesting visual action

El Alamein still looks fantastic at 4k today

[novel verge]

He also screen shotted a tweet for some reason instead of just linking said tweet

Both are cropped photos. They should both probably be shown in their full picture to better get his point across

[patent condor]

i hope when they add the british , that the british enfield shoots rather quickly

[manic wraith]

Is this where i search for peopel to pl;ay with

DM if u wanna play ima good officer

[deft trail]

Whats the most important thing in the game?

[manic wraith]

Communication

[deft trail]

Youre a terrible officer

[manic wraith]

Alr

Fair enough

I change my answer

Getting kills

OI YOU FECKEN POMPOUS LITTLE SHITS FUCKEN DM ME IF YOU WANT TO PLAY SOME BLOODY HELL LET LOOSE YOU MOTHERLESS SLAGS

[sweet cliff]

It's spawns the answer is spawns

[cinder sonnet]

so nice of @solemn moat to post this in #new-member-feedback .... stay blessed

[deft trail]

God bless

[manic wraith]

oh true but communication is foundational

to setting up good spawn points n stuff

and in making spawn points useful

you can have all the spawn points in the world but if theres no communication for strategy and orders, people won't use them right

You don't know how many times my squad has worked their asses off setting up spawns but command chat wasn't good so literally no one used them right

[noble oasis]

how high can you stack?

[deft trail]

I stack mine in the rivers

[noble oasis]

I should see if i can get one stuck in a tree

[gloomy grove]

Personal favourite is the roof of the church on SME

[blissful sky]

Is hll coming to game pass or cloud gaming? It would be epic!

Or add crossplay on pc and console

[gloomy grove]

It's on Geforce Now

[blissful sky]

But make it a another option so if you don’t want to lay with pc you don’t have to

[gloomy grove]

No

[blissful sky]

Oh

[blissful sky]

I wish they would

[gloomy grove]

Devs have said they're not going to

[blissful sky]

Damm

That’s sad

[gloomy grove]

It would be daft. PC is all about pixel perfect hits, and console can't compete with that. Instead they have aim assist which works through bushes so is also unfair

[blissful sky]

They could make play with pc a separate option or make pc have to connect a controller to play with console

[gloomy grove]

It'd be a tiny minority of people who would do that

[blissful sky]

True

[gloomy grove]

No PC players want crossplay that I've seen

So you'd have just a tiny amount of players using that feature

Plus, right now console and PC aren't even at parity and won't be for many many months

[blissful sky]

Yeah

Well maybe 1 day I hope but it’s prob unlikely

[patent condor]

Will they add the panzerfaust for German at?

[cerulean storm]

They already have the Panzershreck

[sweet cliff]

If it's not on the roadmap there's no guarantee they'll add anything

[arctic halo]

hello, i am starting new with Hell let Loose

[glad pasture]

Watch this first before jumping straight into the game: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaY27yiOPPA

[rich hill]

hi im new here, so how do divisions and events work?

[glad pasture]

Check here: #pc-divisions-recruitment and #pc-looking-for-unit

[rich hill]

alright,thanks

[glad pasture]

You can also check here: #event_rules #legacy-event-announcements

[remote hamlet]

is there any australian devisions i could join please

[surreal axle]

are there any good servers for teaching newbies?

[nimble furnace]

Nah mate.

[surreal axle]

rip

[gloomy grove]

Anyone saying 'X server has better gameplay than Y server' is just making it up. The only difference between servers is hardware and admins

The playerbase is all the same

[novel verge]

Facts^

Garbage garrison placement wherever I go

[lunar prawn]

No pc players in their right minds would option out of keyboard/mouse to a controller to cross play with console. That’s one of the main factors they play pc instead of console

[wind swan]

I know people that would, because then they could play w/ their friends on consoles.

[nimble furnace]

Same! Leave cross play for the console players.

Yes mate!

[wind swan]

For sure.

[nimble furnace]

You hardly ever come across any squeakers!! 😅

On PC.

Exodus and 82AD are a clan

I just add ppl on steam who are around my age

And just join them when they’re playing

Yep 👍🏻

[novel verge]

I tell my friends with consoles to get a PC. I definitely don't play the cross play only games just to play with them. 😬😬

Maybe I'm the bad friend

[wind swan]

I have both consoles and a PC, this game was free on PS+ a couple months back hence why i play there. And our gaming group is roughly 50/50 PC and PS4/5. I understand crossplay or requiring a controller on PC is not for everyone but i think it’s the best compromise. Though I believe this gen are better at supporting K/M, I haven’t looked into it yet. So maybe offer that as another option.

[sweet cliff]

I can't imagine that's a priority for them for how few people would probably play between PC and consoles.

and there's all sorts of potential issues, they track player progression on Steam, how do they track it on xbox/play station, how does that integrate with steam, can console players play on community servers? how does voice chat integrate, can voice chat integrate?

Would PC players only play on console servers, would console people be able to play on PC servers? Can community servers turn off the ability for console players to join?

[wind swan]

Oh i don’t think it should be a priority. And it may not be possible. I am just pointing out there are people that would utilize it and think having it locked by input would be nice way to balance it.

[nimble furnace]

No compromise! Keyboard and mouse is way better than using a controller. Console player’s have their game, enjoy it.

[wind swan]

😁🙄

[novel verge]

I just don't think they have to coexist. I definitely don't want to play this type of game with any aim assist. I definitely won't play it with a controller.

I'd rather just keep the communities apart.

If you're someone who is a fan of sim shooters and like to stray off the path of Triple A shooters. PC gaming is for you, that's just a niche consoles don't fill.

[nimble furnace]

I switched to PC Gaming 3 years ago, and it’s much more relaxing and enjoyable. You constantly get people inviting you to a party chat or randomly joining your party chat and distracting you with silly non-game conversations.😏 consoles👎🏻

[nimble furnace]

Yep

[novel verge]

I switched like.... 9 years ago? When the Xbox 360 and PS3 were huge. I saw games like Arma 2, DayZ mod, modded Minecraft, RuneScape, Dota. All the types of games you could never play on console.

Never looked back since.

[nimble furnace]

Yep

[novel verge]

Found the DOD and Red Orchestra titles

Then really liked this genre of games

Pretty cool their on console, but couldn't be me playing them on there.

[sweet cliff]

Can't really blame people for not playing on PC when graphics cards are so unavailable/expensive.

[novel verge]

At this current year? Sure. Though, PC gaming was always affordable people just never bothered to do it.

[nimble furnace]

Everyone needs a pc for other stuff too… 2 birds with one stone!🤓

[dawn widget]

I’ve gone the other way. PC and predecessors for life, added consoles fairly recently. There are benefits to each.

[novel verge]

I also do InDesign, illustrator, premier, school and work from my desktop.

It's definitely useful if you do more than game.

[nimble furnace]

Only benefit I can think of is you can lay in bed and easily play.

[novel verge]

Consoles are more affordable comes to mind haha

[nimble furnace]

But I do that with AoE2… I play it on my bed, but that’s on another cheap pc🤓

[nimble furnace]

Only slightly in the long run… the subscription fees add up over time.

[novel verge]

I mean, assuming you don't overpay for your console. Its still definitely cheaper.

If you pay $1000 for a PS5? Yeah probably more expensive. lol

[nimble furnace]

Controller’s always break… games are more expensive

[spiral compass]

Exactly

[novel verge]

a mouse and keyboard combo is probably like 2 or 3 controllers worth of price

maybe 4

[spiral compass]

Paying to play online as well. Nah, consoles aren't cheaper

[novel verge]

$60 a year? multiply that by 5 years? $300, plus the $500 of a console?

Definitely the price of a low tier PC

[spiral compass]

500 ? LOL

you must be dreaming/joking

[nimble furnace]

I just use a cheap keyboard £20 and have the same mouse that cost the same price as a PS5 controller

[novel verge]

If you looked up, I said "assuming you don't overpay" and, if we are referring to the current market of gaming. All types of gaming is currently more expensive. If we looked back a few years. Definitely 500 for a console was fairly priced.

[nimble furnace]

I would have had to buy 3 controllers by now

[spiral compass]

Can I order some PS5s from you at 500 a pop ?

[nimble furnace]

He sells them for £1000

😅

[novel verge]

I mean, I said my piece. Its easy to take the console is garbage road.

[spiral compass]

They are 1000 USD+ here . I just checked..

[novel verge]

I don't bother with such an easy argument.

[spiral compass]

So at 500 I'll take a boatload

[novel verge]

My brother just got a PS5 for $600

Definitely not still going for $1000

[nimble furnace]

It’s not garbage, but PC’s are Great!!!😜

[spiral compass]

PCMR

[novel verge]

I agree, but a weak argument is a weak argument

[spiral compass]

Aww..no gifs 😦

well, nevermind then

😢

[nimble furnace]

Too many kids play consoles