(I am trying with American anti-tank weaponry now)
#new-recruit-barracks
meager pelican
tall orchid
no argument there. i generally don’t use rockets at that distance to avoid exactly that sort of thing
unless I’m shooting a recon or light tank
then it doesn’t much matter where you hit them
but if I need to be precise, I keep the distance under 50m
also, dunno if you’ve seen this yet
and this one for a good visualization of the hitboxes
limpid vapor
in my opinion the AT shoulder rockets are more for light tanks and half-tracks anymore.
They do very little versus actual armor.
meager pelican
tall orchid
two rockets square in the ass of a heavy will knock out the engine and do significant hull dmg
limpid vapor
If you can get close enough to do that you might aswell satchel
meager pelican
This is the last test my friend and I did because it's late, the bitrate is ass for some reason, but the shot connected on top of the building.
I get the obvious lack of viability for long range combat because it's a pretty basic launcher but at least allow me to effectively shoot out to 100 meters while keeping my target in sight.
meager pelican
Aight.
This information does help, but needing to get in touch with someone who happens to know how to AT is a little more advanced than just having a ranging option represented in-game.
I was under the impression I wasnt aiming for lining the notch up, but the line that goes across itself
tall orchid
again, no argument there. i wish it weren’t so clunky, but these are the approximations i use with the system we have
meager pelican
Thank you for the help, it should improve my effectiveness ^^
uncut jasper
No
lavish crest
fuckin indie game cnat even make party system
still vault
Why is there a need for a matchmaking system on PC, where the Server Browser exists?
vast sentinel
dawn widget
or click tab
look the player u wanna friend
and theres a specific bottom to send a request
lean orchid
fuckin indie game cnat even make party system
It's on the roadmap...
fathom acorn
fuckin indie game cnat even make party system
Then why are you here.. Go play call of duty. It has everything you want.
lavish crest
u want u game to grow make it so u can play with friends without having to queue into a random community server lol
still vault
u want u game to grow make it so u can play with friends without having to queue...
Right, the sentiment of a wholly seamless, easy to get into and enjoy experience. As minimal resistance from the game up front as possible.
The server browser system is nothing new; Source engine games, UE2, UE3, other UE4, and other engines and games also use it. What is notable in the case of Hell Let Loose is how it staggers player connections to a server through six queue slots, which may be too tedious and wasting of precious time to sit through.
scarlet rain
Greetings
Don't know if anyone is around but I'm seriously thinking of getting the game and just wanted to make contact with the community to get an idea of what its like.
For info: I'm not so good at FPS and multiplayer but I'm prepared to practice and learn. I am not interested in getting involved in a toxic community where people act like dicks to one another. So I just thought I'd show my face and see how things are.
anyway, download has started so i guess i'll soon find out
still vault
For info: I'm not so good at FPS and multiplayer but I'm prepared to practice an...
What prior experience do you have with games in the FPS genre?
noble oasis
anyway, download has started so i guess i'll soon find out
same as me
still vault
Your first few games on Hell Let Loose will probably be spent finding your way around it and its bindings. Do not fret. Rebinding keys to preference is highly recommended.
Personally, since I came from Rising Storm 2, I settled on a hybrid of existing binds and familiar options I had picked from that game, such as swapping Alt to Crouch and Ctrl to Prone for manual duck and cover and more cautious crouching.
Your main point of issue may be learning your roles and kits for each one. Spend some time in the Main Menu or Barracks to figure these out.
The second main problem is reaching down the number key list to get to certain items, particularly as the Officer/Squad Lead role. This is to be expected, however, and may just have to be adapted to unless you feel like performing more drastic rebindings.
scarlet rain
What prior experience do you have with games in the FPS genre?
my fps experience is goldeneye, perfect dark and timesplitters
still vault
Classic.
Games these days will typically use mouselook, so adapting to that will be a priority in your case.
scarlet rain
i'm mostly playing elite dangerous odyssey at the moment but its got a lot of issues. I am getting into the fps angle and i have a friend who's played hll since it was in beta
still vault
i'm mostly playing elite dangerous odyssey at the moment but its got a lot of is...
Right. Hell Let Loose certainly may have fewer issues compared to Odyssey, but some were introduced with the Update 11 or U11 Patch released recently.
dawn widget
For info: I'm not so good at FPS and multiplayer but I'm prepared to practice an...
About the community, I think it’s pleasant. There’s the occasional flip-out from someone in command chat but it isn’t really approved of, which is the important thing. From the tone of your comment I think you’ll like it.
scarlet rain
I think its the standard way things are now. Every new update brings some sort of bug
still vault
Of course, and from there the hunt to mitigate it.
scarlet rain
so has everyone had a nice xmas day yesterday?
still vault
Yes, Christmas was well.
scarlet rain
We had my mother in law over for dinner, We are going to my mum's this afternoon
still vault
Very well.
neon vault
Any tips for a new player?
dim pulsar
Try and communicate
And if you get instructions from someone who is higher level than you, its prob good advice
This game isnt like mainstream fps, you will get clapped in one hit
So if youre not situationally aware or like walking out in open field, youll have a bad time
@neon vault @scarlet rain
scarlet rain
Well I've just had my first go and I was very ineffective
I think i finally got my mike working but I'm not sure the settings are very good
Anyway, gotta get ready to go out now so maybe try again later
safe holly
There's normally 200-300+ online during the day?
noble oasis
so far only played one game, sucked for the 1st half of it but then i decided to defend my squad radio and got 4 kills in one mag , and then 2 more out in the field now im enjoying the game
low star
Yea, the best moments are when the enemy is running from point A to point B and you're perpendicular to them and just, and I quote, "LET 'EM HAVE IT!!!!!"
noble oasis
😦
dawn widget
why doesn't it let me select it
noble oasis
Havin good game, server host died lost all my XP 😦
jolly sedge
L
unkempt storm
why doesn't it let me select it
if you look to the right of 'machine gunner', it says 1/1, meaning there is already a machine gunner in your squad
dawn widget
oh
unkempt storm
Havin good game, server host died lost all my XP 😦
you will/should still earn the XP you had accumulated up until that point as long as the server is registered, although it might take a bit to update - you'll only miss out on the end of round bonuses; win, commendation, time, etc.
noble oasis
😦
river cargo
hello
I am considering buying Hell Let Loose cause Vanguard is woke trash and post scriptum is dead
unkempt storm
dooooo it 👍
tall orchid
how is vanguard woke trash? haven’t heard that one yet
unkempt storm
woke trash is the worst type of trash
river cargo
how does hell let loose run on Linux?
@unkempt storm I remember that hell let loose didnt have fire select
is that still the case?
how to fix this?
i set the ping thing to 3000
wait
my dumbass installed public testing
austere marsh
e
unkempt storm
<@!721403926825664583> I remember that hell let loose didnt have fire select
Correct, no fire select
I also can’t answer how it runs on Linux 😦
Overall the performance and optimization can still be quite lacking, but it’s very much still enjoyable and playable
unkempt storm
Well I hope you do give it a try at least 🙂 if you’re coming from vanguard or any cod, or any big shooter really, it will be vastly different. Don’t get too frustrated if you don’t get the hang of it immediately
river cargo
I play Tarkov and Squad
unkempt storm
Ah - wunderbar ☺️
river cargo
Never bought vanguard, fuck that game
unkempt storm
WOKE TRASH
river cargo
World at War was great though
austere marsh
what a way to say a game is shit.
woke trash
river cargo
difference between offensive and warfare?
noble oasis
difference between offensive and warfare?
One is a push/defend for both teams and the other is one side attacks and the other defends
unkempt storm
The waits usually not horrendous
river cargo
how long would a 4 player queue take?
unkempt storm
Lmao it depends on the match, maybe 10 minutes at most. If you’ve been sitting a while, might be worth it to get out and refresh the list, most spots will open up if a match has ended
river cargo
it says theres 1 player ahead
river cargo
but the last player normally takes a while right?
unkempt storm
Not necessarily I find
idle tartan
Right click + Lshift
unkempt storm
how do you guys see the enemy?
Definitely comes with practice haha, although sometimes you won’t, just how it is. It’s all about vantage points
Knowing common routes and spots of course
dawn widget
is waiting in the ques worth it
dusty cairn
dumb question but yes
faint pike
Can only 1 of each type of node be built?
unkempt storm
Can only 1 of each type of node be built?
1 node of each type per sector
gloomy grove
like where do i find it
Mid HQ
still vault
like what class
Rifleman for the absolute basics, and Assault, Support, and Automatic Rifleman for basic role-learning.
dawn widget
is there a way to know the amount of kills i make
unkempt storm
is there a way to know the amount of kills i make
Click on personal stats at the bottom of the scoreboard
winter mason
Hello everyone, I have always been looking for a ww2 tactical shooter and now when hll is on sale should i buy It or not.
river cargo
Hello everyone, I have always been looking for a ww2 tactical shooter and now wh...
Yes
winter mason
Alright
unkempt storm
It has been decided
full drift
yo, do i need to buy the dlcs or no
full drift
No they're just uniforms
can i be a tanker from the start or do i need to "unlock" it
sweet cliff
No you can be it at any time you just won't have the level 3 loadout unlocked which has the repair tool but you can't buy thst
bronze raptor
Hey guys I am new. Have the game on both PS5 and PC
ancient flame
dawn widget
anyone can give me some tips as a beginner
next oasis
dont ask for help, most players don't know
open your map, look at where the objectives are, and go to it. Kill enemies on the way
and don't play passively, that's how you get run over by someone that actually knows what to do
They won't hesitate to shoot you as you play "passive"
full drift
is there any way to practice tank skills like in an empty map with a tank
like solo
also is there a tutorial in the game, i cant find it
like a step by step thing
all i can see is field manual
dawn widget
dont ask for help, most players don't know
basically i don't get the chance to see my enemy and i'm already dead and if i do see my enemy he kills me in the firrst 2 seconds before i could even react
next oasis
the only one that can improve your reaction time and ability to aim is you.
Scan areas, especially open areas first before you move. In HLL it is incredibly easy to kill targets, so it usually becomes a matter of who-sees-who first.
Also, since you are new, I suggest dialing the teammate icons visibility down to 250m, as it is defaulted to 500m. You don't need to be aware of any teammate that is 500m away from you, and it clutters your sightline immensely
next oasis
Likely not. I'd suggest learning the general layout of maps before you get into that class. It takes more forethought than other classes, and you become a bullet magnet the moment you open fire.
MGs in HLL are a more shoot-n-scoot kinda deal
Plus some players find setting up the bipod kinda finnicky
dawn widget
what does finnicky mean
dim pulsar
😆
next oasis
some players find setting up the bipod on surfaces to be tricky or not working how they'd expect
dawn widget
oh
hasty tinsel
Also, since you are new, I suggest dialing the teammate icons visibility down to...
After you get used to this, I suggest turning icons up to 500m and turn on occluded tags. I requires you to know where your teammates are, but you get no clutter.
full drift
im in a tank right now
how can i open the hatch and look out from driver position
im in a panzer 2 on german playing on pc
hasty tinsel
how can i open the hatch and look out from driver position
Not a feature
full drift
oh i think its a post scriptum feature i must be mistaking
proven wing
anyone playing?
hasty tinsel
No
unkempt storm
Hyrum is literally the funniest person here up to his tricks again
dim pulsar
You can always jump out of the tank look around
Its the same thing as opening the hatch i suppose
hasty tinsel
Hyrum is literally the funniest person here up to his tricks again
But at what cost 😔
Frickin 
kindergarten playground
unkempt storm
Frickin <:emoji_Encouragement:868604542789496893> kindergarten playground
THEY'RE NEW RECRUITS
dim pulsar
You must never cease to be savage, even around children
still vault
For the children are swiftly disciplined with competitive savagery.
next oasis
😬
full drift
this game is crazy
where can i check my kills
i pressed tab but i dont understand the metrics
unkempt storm
click personal stats at the bottom of the scoreboard
then not to get too into it, but different kills/actions will earn a different amount of points in the respective category, combat, support, etc.
hasty tinsel
click personal stats at the bottom of the scoreboard
Stop 🤝 , when I bought the game, I figured this stuff out myself 🧓
unkempt storm
🤫
viral wasp
and don't play passively, that's how you get run over by someone that actually k...
lol you seem to misunderstand what passive means
but that's ok nobody's perfect
unkempt storm
Ehhhh I’m pretty good, pretty, pretty good
green wraith
This game is pretty fun when it actually lets me connect to servers
I’m sorry tank crew
I couldn’t repair you in time
fervent leaf
Just bought the game.
next flume
Hi all, looking at purchasing the game and was curious. Is there any leveling/unlocking of items, skins etc for completing matches and such?
dim pulsar
The weapon and cosmetic unlocks are limited to authentic designs, and the grind to get them is pretty brutal
Unless you just like playing logistics a lot
next flume
I guess I am curious what the carrot on the stick is to keep me pushing more and more in the matches and what scratches that itch for rewarding a job well done.
dim pulsar
If you need a carrot to play a game rather than just enjoying the game for what it is, you have serious priority issues
If you like strategic-tactical play youll enjoy this game , sometimes
Its got a pretty low skill/ intelligence community
Maybe you can help raise the bar
Maybe not
uncut jasper
The cosmetic grind is fine, grinding for class loadouts is stupid
Like who's honestly going to just play rifleman to get to class level 9 tf lmao
dim pulsar
I mean, i bought the game to chase lvl grind for weapon that will marginally improve my combat effectiveness
Totally not to play tactical shooter
next flume
I mean, i bought the game to chase lvl grind for weapon that will marginally imp...
Your carrot on a stick 😉
dim pulsar
My carrot on a stick is watching ppl get salty
It doesnt take long to get the weapon you need to be effective, but unlocking uncommon weapons takes quite a bit of grinding
And they often dont come with team oriented loadouts
still vault
I guess I am curious what the carrot on the stick is to keep me pushing more and...
Addiction detected.
full drift
alright thx
full drift
are there any automatic guns in infantry
noble oasis
there are a few SMGs and lmg as well as the STG about
white sentinel
Like who's honestly going to just play rifleman to get to class level 9 tf lmao
Me. I have all available kits unlocked for console version. I am grinding all classes for when additional content comes out. Every class is good if you know how to properly use them…
noble oasis
are wooden boards and fenceing in thei game bullet proof?
patent condor
The Lee Enfield better be able to shoot fast af when the Brits are released
uncut jasper
are wooden boards and fenceing in thei game bullet proof?
Some are, some aren’t. How can you tell? Trial and error lmao
white sentinel
The Lee Enfield better be able to shoot fast af when the Brits are released
As fast as a person could manipulate the bolt, I suppose
noble oasis
maybe as a brace feature like the lmgs have, takes a second to enter and you move slower
glad pasture
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winter mason
Hello Soldiers I asked this yesterday to but I only got one answer. I have always looked after a realistic ww2 game so should I buy It.
Btw I have seen the video above and I love It
uncut jasper
The game is immersive from an audio and level design perspective. Past that, though, it's kinda realistic, but not that much
This is basically akin to hardcore Battlefield
winter mason
Yeah but It Is not bf42 bullshit
glad pasture
Yeah but It Is not bf42 bullshit
You can purchase the game and play for up to 2 hours and refund but at the discounted price in the winter sale why not go for it.
low star
Game's pretty good mate. You can find both servers where no one communicates and just goes and shoots everyone like a super hard-core version of battlefield, or you can find servers where people communicate like in the real army. All depends what you're looking for.
uncut jasper
Even though I've uninstalled recently, I still think it was worth the price tbh. Def worth a shot
low star
I've found a decent middle ground server, where there are squads that communicate up to a fun standard, which I enjoy, but at the same time have their meme moments where we're pinned by a MG42 on the side of a field, so we all just scream and laugh
glad pasture
@winter mason 2 Unannounced Western Front Maps currently in development
British forces - including 2 Operation Market Garden Maps
Canadian forces - including 2 Falaise Pocket Maps
Japanese forces - including 2 Pacific Theatre Maps
Several NEW maps will be added to each of the above theatres and are in development now.
winter mason
I like Rising Storm 2 Vietnam but It Is something I don't like at the same time
glad pasture
uncut jasper
Oh, it's slower than RS2.
winter mason
Yes I know but It Is something like that I looking for and the maps are so small
uncut jasper
The maps are generally around 1kmx2km, movement on foot is pretty slow, too
oak fern
just realized the british weapons symbol is a tea cup 🤣
turbid ravine
What key do I press to speak in game?
dim pulsar
V for local C for squad X for team
turbid ravine
Thanks bro
dim pulsar
Ye
unkempt storm
🤝 brotherhood
X is command only, though, so you won’t have access to it unless you’re officer or commander
slim fractal
Yeah but It Is not bf42 bullshit
It is close tho
What is "realism" to you? Because HLL doesnt describe itself with that.
winter mason
Time to kill, gameplay, customisation and things like that
hushed junco
hey i just got the game and played a bit but didnt have much fun because i couldnt find a cohesive squad. should i just refund or try and stick it out
woven olive
hey i just got the game and played a bit but didnt have much fun because i could...
Just try and stick it out, you'll hopefully find a group of competent people eventually
alpine thicket
I know HLL has released the console roadmap for 2022. However there was no dates or rough timeline. Has there been any info on the release of eastern front for console?
winter mason
Hey If hll will get Pacific maps with Japanesse factions then the must upgrade the US faction to right
glad pasture
I know HLL has released the console roadmap for 2022. However there was no dates...
This was posted by the HLL community manager just before Christmas holidays:
winter mason
Can I send pictures here
sonic quiver
For a week I’ve been trying to fix the VOIP issue on my Series X with no success. My squad mates are able to hear me but I’m not able to hear them. I’m going crazy trying to reach someone that can help with the issue. Anyone had the same problem?
gusty junco
how does hell let loose run on Linux?
It doesn't. Not online at least 😦
dawn widget
is this bad or good
unkempt storm
Friendly good, enemy bad 😱
unkempt storm
Not if it’s friendly Lmao, at the bottom, “friendly manpower node”
dawn widget
oh
unkempt storm
Only dismantle enemy stuff
dawn widget
ok
unkempt storm
(Unless told otherwise)
slim fractal
We are doomed.
hasty tinsel
🇪
hasty tinsel
Bro sent a screenshot to discord instead of asking in game voice chat
polar axle
Should I look at some videos before trying out this game or should I jump right in? Don't wanna piss people off lol
glad epoch
Should I look at some videos before trying out this game or should I jump right ...
Yes you should. A lot of mechanics beyond of shooting
polar axle
alright thanks man
dawn widget
should i stay heere or redeploy
tall orchid
should i stay heere or redeploy
consider what a locked point means
dawn widget
what does it mean
tall orchid
what does it mean
what do you think it means?
unkempt storm
Bro sent a screenshot to discord instead of asking in game voice chat <:emoji_Me...
What is voice chat?
unkempt storm
what does it mean
It’s locked so you being there now doesn’t help anything - it might be helpful if your team was close to capturing AA battery, so you’re there to begin capturing the next point, but they aren’t. It is best to stick with your squad regardless
dawn widget
It’s locked so you being there now doesn’t help anything - it *might* be helpful...
ok
unkempt storm
ok
Only two sectors are active at a time, which are the two points immediately beside one another of the enemy’s and your team (AA battery and tare green, in this example). Every other point and sector is locked
sweet cliff
Or if you're actively destroying a garrison or something, otherwise 99% of the time you are more useful if you go to a point you can actually defend or attack
gaunt lily
is it possible to create a recon group and play as a sniper ?
sweet cliff
People being on locked points loses you the game.
No, can't play sniper unless someone is spotter, closest you can get is someone else creating so you can join and them leaving
gaunt lily
ah, i see, that is what i figured
sweet cliff
If you're doing it just for the scoped rifle you're doing it wrong and not helping the team because you won't have an OP
gaunt lily
yea, i see, im like 60 years old (csgo player) and finding gamers with a common orientation is a little more difficult. one guy just wants to cod all the time. jesus.
unkempt storm
COD IS WOKE TRASH AM I RIGHT @river cargo
gaunt lily
i will try to transform myself from a "lone survivor" to a group player. i'm not sure "transform" is the word i should use lol.
unkempt storm
A metamorphosis, like a butterfly, beautiful
sweet cliff
It's easy to win if everyone on the team is focused on contributing in some way, even if it's just always being in a sector that adds cap weight
next oasis
Get to either objective, stop floating in between objectives. It really is that simple, and people still don't know this
river cargo
COD IS *WOKE TRASH* AM I RIGHT <@847284317339385856>
wasnt always
used to be very good
pro american anti communist
sweet cliff
Garrisons are a requirement to win but the team still has to decide to be in a cap weight sector, almost every game you're going to see a point lost with a significant amount of people off in a sector that doesn't count for attacking or defending
sweet cliff
i will try to transform myself from a "lone survivor" to a group player. i'm no...
The single most important thing you can do as a single player is watch when points start being capped and recognize when you need to defend, and remind your squad.
Points are capped at a constant speed, you can't speed it up so if the other team starts capping you cannot win a cap race unless you stall their attack
But every single game you'll see teams continue or commit to an attack when they're already losing their point
gaunt lily
ok i will keep that info in mind. i'm gonna watch a video or two that i saw to get a little more info on the game
sweet cliff
Winning or losing is irrelevant to me, I don't mind losing i can still have fun losing, but it fucking sucks losing point after point because the team just refuses to defend, and then you lose all the spawn points you built
You'll see a team refuse to fall back and defend when it's still possible, and then you lose the point and everyone who was attacking instead of defending them chooses to attack the point you just lost instead of defending and then you lose another point
Absolutely infuriating
full drift
where should engineers build the nodes
pulsar sedge
Everywhere!
full drift
how do you collect supplies that were dropped from a truck
i just have a box in front of me
gloomy grove
how do you collect supplies that were dropped from a truck
You use them by proximity. 50m radius. Basically if you can see how many there are, you're close enough
waxen carbon
is it possible to create a recon group and play as a sniper ?
Grab that sniper role and get to quick scoping
drowsy kettle
still vault
The true advent of automatic guns in war, new tactics, and factional relations once again faltering or being tested.
It was bound to occur at some point, yet the way in which it did is what makes it so interesting.
From its foundation, the modern world and war would be developed.
gaunt lily
Grab that sniper role and get to quick scoping
lol, naw i dont do that QS stuff. guys in cod yell at me because i "hard scope". that 360 spin and QS i find unsavory lol
waxen carbon
lol, naw i dont do that QS stuff. guys in cod yell at me because i "hard scope"...
Well hit some sick flick shots
loud sluice
it feels like the enemy always knows where you are and lands shots on you while you are running around clueless and trying to aim to find any movement
sweet cliff
There is a large defenders advantage because it is way easier to see movement in this game than people sitting still, especially prone
Well defenders advantage in terms of shooting people, attacking is pretty powerful in warfare for other reasons
warm jacinth
Ok quick question before my panzer gets eviserated by a jumbo, can a medium tank pen the side of a heavy
still vault
lol, naw i dont do that QS stuff. guys in cod yell at me because i "hard scope"...
Those fellows would not last long in games like RO2, RS1, RS2, and Offworld titles alongside Hell Let Loose.
uncut jasper
If you’re good at CoD, you’re gonna be a monster in HLL tbh
You deactivate brain cells when learning to slow down so
sweet cliff
Ok quick question before my panzer gets eviserated by a jumbo, can a medium tank...
Yes, just not the front with the exception of the IS-1 but it's a tough shot.
A medium tank can kill a heavy from the side but you need to hit hull.
https://theline.gg/tankbible/#top not updated for the Pz IV yet but Pz IV on anything else should still be good.
Whenever possible try to maneuver for the back shot, takes the same number of shots to kill but it's easier to hit the engine, and forces the other tank to rotate more to get front hull pointed at you
You can get engine shots from the side though.
short crown
What’s up guys, I’m brand new to the game and feel like I have no clue what’s going on, looking for some people to play with and maybe someone willing to teach me the basics
sweet cliff
Read the new players guide, won't take long, it's pinned in this channel.
bronze raptor
Ah I was about to ask same thing. Thanks @sweet cliff
sweet cliff
It'll introduce a lot of really important concepts about how the game works that'll save you a lot of grief, ask in here if you have any questions about stuff in it
bronze raptor
Will do.
torn sandal
@bronze raptor @short crown I learned a lot from youtubers Monoespacial & Gebatron
brave ruin
Man like @dusky notch
sweet cliff
Yeah they're great.
sweet cliff
If you're looking at live streams to learn the game both @severe tusk and @quiet dragon both stream often and are friendly to new players, and for recorded content on the armor side of the house @wheat galleon has both some how to as well as actual gameplay footage to learn tanking from.
And full disclosure I am advertising for my friends.
waxen carbon
Ah I was about to ask same thing. Thanks <@296385262794178570>
No better way to learn than by trying and failing
upbeat bough
So, just double checking, think I read somewhere that servers are only live during certain times? I changed my ping inside steam, restarted, and no servers showing up.
dim pulsar
Automatic 5000
upbeat bough
Automatic 5000
Oh, that's what it was on before I changed it when it wasn't working at first
lol i was opening public test server, got it
sweet cliff
^ Yeah those are available only rarely, another common mistake you'll see when you can't find a server (and you're on the live game) is having some text in the server name filter field, it won't show you there's anything there unless it's clicked on.
wraith prairie
open thistle
move to the east coast
still vault
Become speed. Learn to flank and hide in cheeky spots.
dim pulsar
Cheeky breeky
Noobs be getting salty on Purple Heart Lane
I lost some lvl levels in my squad cause they get Invisible Death syndrom
still vault
Noobs be getting salty on Purple Heart Lane
They must be taught of how to jump across certain areas to move.
dawn widget
And that vehicles can’t jump
dim pulsar
Gat dayuumm there are ppl at the end of matches with like 0-20 combat scores
You killed 3 ppl the whole match
worn oasis
don't judge - lots of new players this week (like me) thanks to the big sale on steam
going to take a while for us to get up to speed
worn oasis
it happens... bad habits from COD/battlefield we need to unlearn
plus spotting enemies in HLL is much harder
can't spot, can't kill
thats just my personal observation though
dim pulsar
3 kills!!!
worn oasis
yeah you said that
gloomy grove
Ignore Franklin there. He's just salty about his lack of fingers
dim pulsar
Thats unfathomably poor
Like at one point or another the enemy practically gets in a line and charges you
worn oasis
you could try offering some actual advice in the new recruits channel, instead of being an elitist cunt and just flaming newbies... just a thought
still vault
Like at one point or another the enemy practically gets in a line and charges yo...
Whether or not you find it without dying is another matter.
dim pulsar
I dunno what advice to give except get bigger monitor
worn oasis
another option: if you have nothing nice to say, say nothing
still vault
Increasingly become PC Master Race by getting the 2160p panel to pixel-hunt effectively.
dim pulsar
Even when i first played the game my kills werent thay bad
worn oasis
good for you
still vault
Or just set Postprocessing to Medium.
dim pulsar
Imagine spending 1 hr scanning for nothing
worn oasis
imagine coming in a new recruits channel just to shit talk
dim pulsar
I would rage quit
worn oasis
pls do
dim pulsar
I dunno, ill join a game with 15 minutea left and still kill more than that
And ive come from bf 🤷♂️
still vault
Imagine spending 1 hr scanning for nothing
The usual process is running, scanning for one to two minutes, getting suppressed and killed, waiting, respawning, and repeating.
worn oasis
like i said, lots of new players this week, so expect shitty teammates for a bit as they (we) learn. not whining and moaning about it is also an option... we aren't all basement dwelling pro-MLG gamerz like you kiddo
worn oasis
we get it, move on
still vault
Thats gotta be painfully aggrovating
Or at minimum getting suppressed and killed, waiting, respawning, and repeating.
worn oasis
i dont, my first game i had 17 kills... i'm just a more understanding person than you are
worn oasis
Teach me your patience
trying growing up
still vault
Teach me your patience
Reading the USI article on Encyclopedia Dramatica.
Anyway, most of the cycle of life and death stems from the reality of 30 FPS at all times and the ever-abundant risk of crashing out of maps if the Radeon Overlay or Steam Overlay is on.
dim pulsar
Ever seen the movie Endless where that guy gets trapped in 5 seconds singularity loop
burnt torrent
i play a lot of dayz
dim pulsar
He dies, comes back and runs into wall , dies , come back
burnt torrent
so i think i'll be okay for hll
was my purchase worth it or should i just refund on xbox?
burnt torrent
i play dayz everyday 😅😅
dim pulsar
That shit is like brutal af
burnt torrent
yeah but is this game worth it?
dim pulsar
I duno why ppl think that game is fun
The only reason i even played dayz was because my friend got tired of being clapped and bought the game for me so he could have a posse
burnt torrent
it was
dayz mod arma
but then dayz stand-alone came out
and the mod was now it's own game
dim pulsar
Lol a mod within a mod
round sun
Hi
dim pulsar
🤯
dim pulsar
I dont play consoles, pc master race
burnt torrent
is it worth the 30 pound i payed for tho😅😅
dim pulsar
Its fun on pc when youre not surrounded with scrubs
Duno how console community is
Or what bugs they face
round sun
Duno how console community is
I try to find that out 😂
worn oasis
Its fun on pc when youre not surrounded with scrubs
and here i was told the HLL community was mature, less toxic, and very friendly to new players 🤷♂️
dim pulsar
This community has some of the worst skilled players in any game ive played
I dunno how it comes to be. When the most essential of tactics like building spawns is above their interest.
That getting their 3 measly kills is more important
😆
They like that dayz experience
Running for 15minutes and getting clapped
round sun
Only + point on that is that u dont loose all your stuf 😂
dim pulsar
Can you imagine
Suffering negative experience
I think dayz is sorta like a roleplay game, no way in hell i would ever play that on pvp server
Even when i was backing my buddy, i thought the game was stupid
dawn widget
where can i find HLL LFGs?
still vault
I dunno how it comes to be. When the most essential of tactics like building spa...
Simple. In lieu of no Battlefield and Rising Storm 2 having begun to decay, Hell Let Loose is what people have begun to move on to and learn.
However, the initial experience is a bit of a clusterfuck until you rebind a few keys to streamline it in ways RS2 did or otherwise, and start learning the Officer, Assault, Support, and AR roles.
dim pulsar
In the pc looking for unit channel @dawn widget
dim pulsar
Simple. In lieu of no Battlefield and Rising Storm 2 having begun to decay, Hell...
Lol i see so many of them start squads and then respawn as another role
Talking about gimping yourself
still vault
First the Squad is created to even hope to spawn in. Then the preferred class role is selected.
There is also the classic squad shuffling around.
dim pulsar
The fact that the devs allow this …
Sorta paint a bleak imagine of the kind of community they want
still vault
Eh. Just a reality of how the system works.
dim pulsar
They wont even build in mini server rulesets thay prevent this
As long as ppl buy, amirite
still vault
The other solution is to do what RO2 and RS2 did with sudden automatic promotion to SL.
Whether this kills the player to force a respawn with an Officer class, or treats the existing life as an Officer role is another matter.
dim pulsar
Theres alot of things about this game that is built in that is superficial and unecessary
still vault
Such as?
still vault
So, remove them all in favor of everyone being able to drive and place cover as gadgets or not at all?
dim pulsar
Why do you need a guy carrying around a box of 50 supplies, when you have airdrops and supply trucks
still vault
Localized supplies instances for when the drops and trucks do not work. Accounting for the possibility.
dim pulsar
Why do you need nodes if you can build nodes anywhere
If having to build nodes has any strategic relevance wether you build in here or there
Making ppl build stuff that should just be automatically gained is uneccessary and a burden on entertainment value
Not to mention unrealistic by any stretch for a frontline combat
The exception being fighting positions which is fine
still vault
How do you determine fighting positions other than strongpoints?
dim pulsar
A fighting position is placing down barricades to shield from enemy fire
You can place it anywhere you think it will suit your strategy for protecting your strongpoint
Sometimes building outwards and shielding your spawns from attacks is more tennable
still vault
Making ppl build stuff that should just be automatically gained is uneccessary a...
Maybe it is a pseudo FPS-RTS mechanic, e.g. vaguely Nuclear Dawn.
dim pulsar
Its pseudo crap
They too lazy to revamp what they have and they want to advertise “strategic resource”
I would have just set resources at an automatic income based on sectors controlled
And kept the resources on a 10 minute timer
So there is strategic importance of how quickly you cap a point
burnt torrent
i just want to shoot people in a hard core shooter
dim pulsar
This is basically the community ^
Except that alot of them are really bad at shooting too
dim pulsar
i just want to shoot people in a hard core shooter
I feel you man, bf dropped the ball and turned their game into a COD clone
burnt torrent
I feel you man, bf dropped the ball and turned their game into a COD clone
i miss old battlefield
dim pulsar
There are not many good hardcore shooters out there, now
burnt torrent
was gonna buy insurgencey
but mum's birthdays coming up so put money into that instead of that
then bought this cos it's on deal
burnt torrent
hahaha
glad pasture
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burnt torrent
**The "HLL" STEAM WINTER SALE NOW ON Special Promotion Offer ends 5th January 20...
are you serious
i just bought this game for 26 pound
dim pulsar
XD
This discounts been there for a week now
Pretty sure hes been spamming the same message
glad pasture
**Not spamming reminding members STEAM and Console have a WINTER SALE on Snooze and you lose. **
dim pulsar
glad pasture
are you serious
There is a slight price difference between P.C. and Console in the Winter sale.
burnt torrent
should i play cross platform?
first game in
just ran for like 15 mins ti be demolished by artillery fire 😂😂😂
ducking hell this game is crazy
dim pulsar
Think you missed the convo we had about day z
They really need to find a way to limit artillery like increasing the supply cost
The artificial spread helps from being arty sniped but the spamming is quite annoying
Especially when youre trying to cap the mid point
dawn widget
They really need to find a way to limit artillery like increasing the supply cos...
like Steiner’s assault, mortars will fix everything
dim pulsar
I already hate the mobile spawns
Were now trading tanks for garrisons cause ppl too lazy to build
unkempt storm
Mobile spawns aren’t as bad as I had envisioned
dim pulsar
Cause you havent cheesed them
unkempt storm
Pardon me I love cheese
dim pulsar
Paratroopers drop would have been a better addition
unkempt storm
NEvEr wOuLd dRoP iN aN AlReAdY aCtIve BaTtlE tHoUgH
dim pulsar
Why would you drop into hot spot, couod drop anywhere in the red sector that an airhead can drop
Except that it works like a bombing run and spreads the drops in a line
unkempt storm
I mean I wouldn’t necessarily disagree, but isn’t that already what an airhead sort of mimics, less the added animation
dim pulsar
Now i have to spend time looking for portals and clown cars
unkempt storm
I doubt they would go so far as to add that level of animation, if we already magically appear on the beaches, etc
dim pulsar
Except the airhead is cheap looking spawn that is dismantable on the ground
unkempt storm
Now i have to spend time looking for portals and clown cars
It’s pronounced klaunwagen
dim pulsar
Mein komodie
Half tracks that actually seat 8 ppl and has a shielded hmg, now thats a vehicle
Vs the cheaper 5 seat browning mounted jeeps
Vs the donkey drawn soviet kombat kart
Which cost literally nothing
low star
I suggested the game to my friend, he got it, came in a match, said it's the same as squad, I told him he can't be more wrong, got mad, refunded it..
Sucks when your friends don't know anything about good games smh
unkempt storm
Some aren’t cut out for war
worn oasis
whats the differences between HLL and squad? i've never played squad
spiral compass
For starters Squad is not a WW2 game. Also Squad is more simulation based
worn oasis
Yeah the modern vs WW2 was obvious lol, was more asking about gameplay, mechanics, etc...
dim pulsar
Its more tedious which scares away all the autists, consequently making their community a lot more intelligent
spiral compass
lol
dim pulsar
Its a pity i despise modern warfare
Technology has taken the fun out of gunplay
People who thrive on marksmanship enjoy ww2 games more
gloomy grove
Its more tedious which scares away all the autists, consequently making their co...
Imagine it being 2021 and you're here insulting people with autism by saying they're not intelligent <@&365680483276816385>
dim pulsar
Snitches get stitches
worn oasis
Imagine it being 2021 and you're here insulting people with autism by saying the...
this dudes been a toxic elitist cunt all morning tbh
gloomy grove
He's an absolute weapon
unkempt storm
This escalated 🧂
dim pulsar
Im locked and loaded baby
glad pasture
Enough is Enough let’s knock this on the head now before the AUTO BOT starts to react
ABSOLUTELY NO spamming / trolling / harassment / racism of any kind in either text chat or voice channels. / ABSOLUTELY NO disrespecting community members, Developers or Moderators, please treat them as you would wish to be treated. We ask that you remain polite and civil, failure to do so will result in a ban.
dim pulsar
I still live in the 90s
low star
I got to lay out an entire german squad with a browning a few minutes ago. I feel great :>
dim pulsar
Nice
unkempt storm
You don’t wanna see the auto bot get angry
glad pasture
**Auto Bot will react with !!!!!!!!!!! do not make it angry **
spiral compass
😮
gusty junco
besides, the premise is a falsum
the way we mostly measure intelligence, a lot of people with a diagnosis in the autism spectrum outperform both you and me 😉
glad pasture
Warning Auto Bot has reacted and the TROLL has been dispatched
deft trail
Thank goodness
gusty junco
That makes me sad.
hasty tinsel
Literally 1948
gusty junco
que?
burnt torrent
Why is nobody using GAMECHAR
unkempt zinc
Regarding nodes, does it matter what location they're placed on the map?
For example, does a node produce more resources if it's placed near middle point vs. near spawn?
spiral compass
Regarding nodes, does it matter what location they're placed on the map?
For ex...
Not since the update.
A good rule to put them in the first 2 sectors
unkempt zinc
A good rule to put them in the first 2 sectors
And that's so they can't be taken if the middle points are lost, correct?
spiral compass
yes
you can drop supplies with the truck just in front of the line and then place the nodes behind the line between sector 2 and 3
range of supplies is 50m. so don't go too far over the line though 😄
sweet cliff
One benefit to doing it in HQ if you can get a support to drop their box is it gives the team an easy (10 second spawn timer) spot to redeploy to if they want to get the manpower and munitions nodes benefits
runic knoll
Question - there is hip fire and ADS, is there a zoomed in version of ADS? I see it in a lot of youtube videos, but I dont know how to do it in game. Is it something there are just doing in the edit?
waxen carbon
Question - there is hip fire and ADS, is there a zoomed in version of ADS? I see...
Hold shift while aiming
runic knoll
so will that steady your aim? Or zoom in further? Is it on all guns?
for example in this video, starting around the 5 min mark
wish I wasnt at work so I can test it out, but I feel like I wasnt able to do it with shift last night
waxen carbon
Holding shift zooms in but not to that degree
runic knoll
yea right? So how do they do that?? haha
waxen carbon
Editing
runic knoll
dammit, I thought it might be the case. So we can see what they are aiming at
unkempt storm
Yeah, think it’s just zoomed in on the video itself
There’s no way to further zoom than what the ADS already does
runic knoll
yea for sure, not like in that clip. Well atleast I know I wasnt playing the game completely wrong haha
waxen carbon
I think messing with your fov increases and decreases the zoom from shift as well but it’s minor
runic knoll
fair enough. I'm not necessarily looking for an advantage like that, just making sure I was using all the things that was available to the player. I think its fine and balanced if the only people who can zoom are those with scopes... makes sense to me at least
waxen carbon
fair enough. I'm not necessarily looking for an advantage like that, just making...
Take whatever advantage you can
runic knoll
haha yea I should, but I'm still kinda new. I have shite eyesight so its hard for me to see regardless. Need to upgrade my glasses, that will be the real advantage
unkempt storm
Avoid new glasses, transplant new eyes instead, dominate the battlefield ✅
EYES THAT CAN ZOOM
hasty tinsel
@tidal yarrow
The game shouldn't handhold or enable everyone to be the most optimal all the time. It supposed to be a teamwork based game, and there can be no teamwork if you can do everything by yourself.
Every update HLL starys further from milsim. There is a vast amount of at this rate, buried potential for the sake of satisfying the average player who doesn't care what he's doing. The right way to do it is to make the game heavily mini-objective based. The randos can follow along with what the SL wants (with their brains turned off) and actual change could be made on the battlefield in an authentica to WW2 atmosphere.
How do you counter offmap bombing runs? Arty should be replaced with short ranged mortars and if you don't see the problem with arty as is, it shows ignorance of the game's meta.
Before the introduction of loadouts, germans had mostly K98s, and guess what. They statistically won more than americans. Asymmetry is needed for there to be a point in playing the different factions, otherwise, it's just red vs blue, with no depth to be had to represent the different factions.
waxen carbon
<@!92112234611757056>
The game shouldn't handhold or enable everyone to be the ...
Camp arty with recon
hasty tinsel
🤦♂️
sweet cliff
That is such a boring fucking gameplay method.
hasty tinsel
Camp arty with recon
thank you for stating the problem
waxen carbon
Lmao since I have been on both ends of arty camping it’s pretty useful to stop arty
hasty tinsel
Lmao since I have been on both ends of arty camping it’s pretty useful to stop a...
yeah, no duh
it's shit gameplay tho
tidal yarrow
It is indeed.
waxen carbon
Well idk what you mean by shit gameplay, but it’s pretty fun on both ends
I enjoy it so I could care less
Makes for interesting interactions on your team
tidal yarrow
I agree on replacing arty with mortar squads. Have been saying that for awhile
tidal yarrow
That'd be miserable to play against
waxen carbon
Yes it would
tidal yarrow
Not the brightest bulb are you?
waxen carbon
Nope
sweet cliff
Artillery that is based in HQ (i.e. near a spawn point that isn't destroyable or lockable short of capping their last point if it happens to be on the mid HQ) is not a fun gameplay method because it forces someone to sit back there the whole game and babysit.
waxen carbon
Artillery that is based in HQ (i.e. near a spawn point that isn't destroyable or...
I love my arty
Never want it to be destroyed
sweet cliff
Not the artillery itself the teams ability to spawn at it.
If it was the same artillery guns but they were on the teams last point and so you didn't have an invincible 10 second spawn window then it would be an entirely different story.
waxen carbon
Well capping the last point prevents you from spawning on the nearest hq
sweet cliff
Yes but that isn't always the mid HQ and that is not a general solution to the arty problem, you've already won the game at that point essentially.
waxen carbon
So either remove all last objectives that aren’t on mid or add arty to the hq that’s closest to the last point
But either way let’s keep long range arty
Better yet make it to where we can hit their hqs
sweet cliff
Well I think at this point you aren't advocating for things that are good for the game just things that let you sit on arty and make little clink sounds as you hit people.
tidal yarrow
Grade A shitposting
waxen carbon
Failed gif
tidal yarrow
Failed human
tidal yarrow
No shit, you can't post images in here
tidal yarrow
Well I think at this point you aren't advocating for things that are good for th...
Yeah he's a shitposter. It's quite common. Afflicts 1 in 5 children every day :(
tidal yarrow
<@!92112234611757056>
The game shouldn't handhold or enable everyone to be the ...
I'm on mobile and that's a lot to respond to but I'd say regarding arty, I do think the current gameplay loop sucks. Arty shoots > recon camps until arty gives up > repeat.
sweet cliff
Essentially artillery in my opinion should have a maximum range short enough that if you want to attack the enemy's capturable point, you have to do it from your unlocked territory, or just barely behind it to enable your regular infantry squads to have a hope of contesting it.
This frees recon from being forced to deal with artillery, while still having the option to do so.
hasty tinsel
Essentially artillery in my opinion should have a maximum range short enough tha...
mortars should have a max range of 400m
therefore putting them within the 40mm-60mm class of mortars
waxen fiber
How am I supposed to find a game to join? Every single server says full even when at 86/100 because of VIP slots and QUEUE's and the "don't show full servers" option doesn't work because every server is at 99/100 because of VIP bs
tidal yarrow
Supposedly they're on the list for 2022, so hopefully we get them sooner than later
hasty tinsel
How am I supposed to find a game to join? Every single server says full even whe...
join a server with 10-50 people in it
tidal yarrow
Also @hasty tinsel I misinterpreted asymmetrical to mean not 50v50. if you mean unique classes/roles per side, I suppose that'd be ok, though grinding more roles... Oof
sweet cliff
^^ A server with 50 people on it will generally fill up pretty quickly, it's a great way to avoid queues
tidal yarrow
I think the loadouts are kinda supposed to be that asymmetry in a way. Subclasses
Auto rifleman could probably be merged with Assault tbh.
Less full autos out there then
Flamethrowers are going to be interesting... Definitely don't want to see a ton of those on the battlefield
hasty tinsel
Also <@349929985999503376> I misinterpreted asymmetrical to mean not 50v50. if y...
yeah, i meant the factions themselves not just being clones/reskins
the bazooka performing the exact same as a Panzerschreck is an example of symmetry
sweet cliff
How am I supposed to find a game to join? Every single server says full even whe...
Also as you play on different servers and find community ones you like, remember to favorite them and you'll build up a roster of servers you can try to find spots on.
It isn't the same though since you can't penetrate the sides of medium/heavy German tanks but can do that with a shrek.
tidal yarrow
yeah, i meant the factions themselves not just being clones/reskins
the bazooka ...
Gotcha. Yeah I can see your point there. I think the Soviets are probably the most distinct thus far in terms of feeling different. Their AT, especially.
I'm not sure about the Brits, but I'd imagine the Japanese will probably play differently than the Germans. The Pacific in general would probably need to have some differences.
waxen carbon
Well I think at this point you aren't advocating for things that are good for th...
Nothing better than a 80 kill streak just for your team to get mad because you accidentally killed 1 teammate
chilly cipher
how long is the average match?
hasty tinsel
45min i'd say
sweet cliff
Hard to say, it's really dictated by the relative skill of both teams, can be as short as about 20 minutes for warfare, or all the way to the full 90 minutes.
chilly cipher
ok, and when joining a server, do you see how much time is left in the match?
sweet cliff
Not until you're in the match itself, you can see it before you pick a team though.
chilly cipher
ok, thanks for the info. I am thinking about getting the game soon. And just trying to read up before I do.
chilly cipher
Do people get mad if I have to AFK for 5-10 minutes during a match. Obviously I wouldn't be a SL or commander doing that
sweet cliff
A lot of servers have an idle timer that would kick you.
chilly cipher
ok, but you do get the XP you earned, so worst case, I rejoin another server
nimble furnace
No body likes a Booster on any game 😏
lean stratus
I'm assuming that there is no way YET? to pre-squad with people and quick join ? Or am I blind ehehe
sweet cliff
There is no party system at the moment.
You can join the same servers as people though and join off your friends on Steam as a work around.
chilly cipher
well obviously I am not trying to get boosted. But if the wife needs me, or the dog gets sick, or someone shows up at the door. I need to tend to those things. I would hustle to get back.
lean stratus
Thought so, it is okay usually my lady joins immediately after me but we have friends from time to time who wants to join us but yeah will look forward for such option 😛
full drift
do you guys know any servers that have a one time vip fee
waxen carbon
do you guys know any servers that have a one time vip fee
nope they need to money to keep the server running
waxen carbon
as far as I know VIP only reserves you a slot in the match
well there are vip slots atleast
sweet cliff
Your best bet at that point is to probably try to integrate yourself with a server and provide some sort of unpaid labor like being an admin in exchange for VIP, but that's not going to be easy because you'll have to prove yourself worthy.
waxen carbon
so probably not worth it unless you actually enjoy the community who hosts the server
heavy belfry
can we have a poland campaign or italian/african campaign
i really want to drive polish or italian tankettes ❤️
would def be interesting because early war 1939 with tanks
or african campaign where the british and italians are added
ebon pagoda
What kind of FPS do you guys get?
ebon pagoda
I only started today but I'm getting very bad frame rates for most maps
I suppose they are huge to be fair
crisp spindle
spec?
ebon pagoda
3080ti, 5950x, 64gb ram don't think it's my PC 😂
next oasis
previously people kept moaning about pop-in, even with things that don't affect gameplay,
the most recent update had some LODs made more visually taxing, and pop-ins less, but the result is that FPS naturally takes a hit. Once again people feel it.
Thing is, most players probably didn't care about the previous level of pop-in and didn't think it to be detrimental, but now because of the changes made in the recent update to reduce the level of pop-in, everyone now feels its affect on their framerate, FPS overall is reduced.
spiral compass
I only started today but I'm getting very bad frame rates for most maps
Run in windowed fullscreen without any launch parameters. At least it will run smooth, but yes fps can suck
ebon pagoda
Thing is, **most** players probably didn't care about the previous level of pop-...
I get you, many thanks for the detailed response!
spiral compass
Also you can put everything at epic except foliage is recommended to set to medium.
deft trail
Turn down shadows to lowest and ssao (ambient occlusion) off
Those two impact your frames the most.
hasty tinsel
@random pecan
Balance is a misnomer. Asymmetry can be balanced.
twilit jay
river cargo
for a game that tries to be historically accurate I find it odd the 1911 has a 8+1 capacity
im pretty sure thats anachronistic
random pecan
@hasty tinsel that is nonsense. Asymmetry means not the same. Not the same is not balanced!
Balance is balance.
Different guns can be balanced in different ways.
But balance is balance.
unkempt storm
I feel like this can go both ways depending on the language 🤷♂️
still vault
3080ti, 5950x, 64gb ram don't think it's my PC 😂
Inb4 the RAM is too powerful for the CPU's lanes.
unkempt storm
Vtech kicked in
dawn widget
why don't some servers allow bombing runs artillery or tanks
random pecan
Asymmetric balance is a misnomer that dates from Rising Storm. It is often used incorrectly to support Staxis players in RO2. RS was actually balanced by the weapons strongly favouring Allies, while the maps strongly favoured the Japanese. This "balance" was revealed in campaign mode where Japanese attacking Iwo Jima did not go so well, etc. This type of approach does not work for warfare mode where both teams attack and defend. The game should be balanced, full stop. A balanced game is the most fun for everyone. Balance is the reason why football is played on a level pitch, not a slanted one.
hasty tinsel
Asymmetric balance is a misnomer that dates from Rising Storm. It is often used...
Balance doesn't necessarily mean both sides are the same.
Even in a game like rock paper scissors there is balance with asymmetry. The lie is implying balance must be achieved by the same mechanics being available to everyone.
signal harness
staxis is the excuse that bad Red Orchestra 2 (RO2) player use when they loose to the axis team
next oasis
rock paper scissors is exact balance, what are you talking about
burnt torrent
this games like a movie
signal harness
RO2 was actually very balanced. I do get your point about RS1 and RS2 though, since campaign mode didn't work
random pecan
Balance is balance! It's very simple! Asymmetry is not balanced. Inherently.
signal harness
but that's not to say that the maps with the attackers and defenders weren't asymmetrically balance.
next oasis
as cool as the idea of "asymmetric balance" (when it comes to Factions) is, it's not worth pursuing in a pvp multiplayer videogame, ESPECIALLY when there's as many players in a game as HLL. There's too much outside variability, namely player skill, that makes it incredibly hard to do successfully
signal harness
All it shows is that there was conscious decision to balance based on map strengths
next oasis
what's even more challenging is that HLL is a game where it's about teleport spawnbombing, both factions are always trying to do the same thing.
So right from the start, the foundation of the game is operating on equal footing, not faction asymmetry.
hasty tinsel
rock paper scissors is exact balance, what are you talking about
rock beats scissors beats paper. The game is balanced but each attack is asymmetrically balanced with another.
Maybe I'm using the word wrong here in this instance but it's a concept I've been grappling with a bit as of late.
signal harness
symmetric balance vs asymmetric balance
a game like halo is symmetrically balanced even down to the map layouts sometimes
random pecan
Those words are misnomers.
Literally, the factions dont have to have the same guns to have balance.
Balance IS balance.
Asymmetry = imbalance.
next lava
A ton of feathers weighs the same as a ton of bricks?
signal harness
I disagree. I also recall you always complaining in RO2 about the MBK42 and staxis CONSTANTLYso I don't take much of what you say seriously
next oasis
Spawning, map movement, resource generation, weapon type damage values, are all mirrored no matter the Faction.
HLL is not striving to be asymmetric. From the very foundation of what you are doing match after match, it is both factions working with the same availability and with the same goal as the other
random pecan
RO2 had a serious imbalance in favour of Axis though. Anyone that didnt see that had difficulty...
unkempt storm
RO2, hallowed be thy name 🙏
next oasis
It was definitely flawed, I took part in Staxis alot
signal harness
Spawning, map movement, resource generation, weapon ***type*** damage values, ar...
oh yeah HLL is not asymmetrically balanced. My only point is that Spetz has been on this shtick since 2011 when RO2 dropped.
next lava
Spawning, map movement, resource generation, weapon ***type*** damage values, ar...
There's slight asymmetry with k98 v. M1 rate of fire, but this is more than counter balanced with additional load outs, and asymmetry of browning vs mg42, yeah?
signal harness
AVT-40 > MKB42
hasty tinsel
There's slight asymmetry with k98 v. M1 rate of fire, but this is more than coun...
Not really
next lava
But regardless, the outcome depends on the spawn mechanic you mentioned, not slight variations in gunplay
hasty tinsel
HLL is essentially mirrored factions
next oasis
Asymmetry as a result of faction loadout (primary weapon) availability is dead in the water, it can't happen, not with how BM have settled with mirrored weapon type damage values.
I've said this so many times, HLLs damage values for its weapon types really limit what BM has to work with.
hasty tinsel
Weapon availability hurts it more than dmg imo.
next oasis
They've no room to make weapon adjustments to ever hope asymmetric armaments is a thing in HLL
next lava
HLL is essentially mirrored factions
75 Sherman vs. Panther (but I guess they'll rectify this when they bring the Panther back)
hasty tinsel
75 Sherman vs. Panther (but I guess they'll rectify this when they bring the Pan...
See, the most recent change has brought the game into a more mirrored state
next lava
Weapon availability hurts it more than dmg imo.
Yeah, I wish rifles where more prominent, or SMG less available.
hasty tinsel
Smgs are less special with their differences from rifles if everyone has smgs
next oasis
Weapon availability hurts it more than dmg imo.
Even at the very most standard loadout of USA v GE, USA gets advantage EVERY SINGLE TIME.
Weapon loadout availability isn't the answer, it is impossible at this point unless damage values are changed to reflect it and actually have significant effect in doing so
next lava
See, the most recent change has brought the game into a more mirrored state <:em...
I've seen some people annoyed about AT gun front pen... but I'll reserve judgement until U11 comes to console.
signal harness
I've seen some people annoyed about AT gun front pen... but I'll reserve judgeme...
my understanding is they released it bugged and it will be fixed
unkempt storm
This place on 🔥 rn
hasty tinsel
Even at the very most standard loadout of USA v GE, USA gets advantage EVERY SIN...
This implicitly assumes that that advantage means something statistically important. There isn't much proof that there is unfortunately.
next oasis
People don't want to think the mirrored weapon damages doesn't limit the rest of the game significantly, when it actually does significantly
hasty tinsel
And if there was, it just means Germans have to play different than Americans. Which is what we want.
signal harness
This implicitly assumes that that advantage means something statistically import...
that's because ultimately the game is about spawns not guns
next lava
People don't want to think the mirrored weapon damages doesn't limit the rest of...
Can you give an example? I'm trying to understand what you mean.
next oasis
And if there was, it just means Germans have to play different than Americans. W...
Hopeful but naive.
Like I said above, both teams are trying to do the same thing, players dont "play differently" because of what faction theyre on
Same spawning system, resources, map movement, etc, no matter the faction
hasty tinsel
Can you give an example? I'm trying to understand what you mean.
Every rifle kills at 200m means the optimum range for all factions is 200m
next lava
Hopeful but naive.
Like I said above, both teams are trying to do the same thing...
This I understand, because kills != death, merely delayed relocation
unkempt storm
I jab myself with a knife every time I die to feel more immersed
next lava
Same spawning system, resources, map movement, etc, no matter the faction
Terrain asymmetric... but I see some map design levels this somewhat.
next oasis
Terrain is negligible when the entire match duration is both teams trying to teleport elsewhere
next lava
I jab myself with a knife every time I die to feel more immersed
You laugh, but try doing as many pushups as possible during that 10s KIA timeout
next oasis
Terrain is nothing in HLL
next lava
Terrain is nothing in HLL
I suppose, since you're avoiding static warfare, and trying to control sectors to swarm a strongpoint
next oasis
Game has become nothing more than just trying to teleport around the map more efficiently than your opponent. No matter what 'content' comes into HLL, that's what the underlying game will be unless some meaningful changes address what HLL has been for the longest time
next lava
No point killing enemy unless you take out their spawns.
next oasis
It's a game about teleport spawnbombing faster than your opponent
The spawnpoints are the 'players' of the game
next lava
Should redeploy be more heavily penalised?
next oasis
no
that makes it a waiting simulator.
Waiting for a respawn will always likely be faster than getting to where you need to be naturally
next lava
How else to incentivise against teleportation?
The waiting in this game is what makes survival more important, and death more visceral
next oasis
set limitations to where they can be placed, Red territory, as in -you cant place spawns in ENEMY held territory
signal harness
removing redzone garrisons and airheads would be a start
tall orchid
and halftracks
unkempt storm
$4.49/redeploy
signal harness
The game existed fine before they were added
tall orchid
creates an actual front line
signal harness
I think half-tracks could stay, given the longer timer and cost
next oasis
This whole sneaking-behind-lines, entire-team-come-up-from-the-ground bullshit just got so damn old
its stupid af
next lava
So no enemy territory garrisons, but still OP? Or also only recon enemy territory OPs?
unkempt storm
Airhead ✅ redzone garry ❌
next lava
Yeah, airhead makes more sense... but actual paratroopers you can shoot from the sky would be even better...
random pecan
oh yeah HLL is not asymmetrically balanced. My only point is that Spetz has been...
I've also been correct since 2011. 🙂
next lava
Like, the airhead is just like a bombing run, but drops paratroopers instead
unkempt storm
Airheads were made to counter redzone garries being outlawed, but then they brought them back and kept the airhead 🤷♂️
signal harness
I've also been correct since 2011. 🙂
AVT-40 > MKB42. Chad soviet strong / virgin staxis weak
next lava
Airheads were made to counter redzone garries being outlawed, but then they brou...
I'm all for experimenting what works, as long as they're short-lived, and reverted when they don't
hasty tinsel
Terrain is nothing in HLL
Terrain is meaningful up to the point a spawn is placed.
This means in the average game with 1 garrison, terrain has to constantly being utilized.
It's not like the can't have depth to it. It's just that it's constantly being sidelined by magic BS
next lava
Terrain is meaningful up to the point a spawn is placed.
This means in the avera...
Or individual fire fights, where terrain might afford more cover or concealment
next lava
It's not like the can't have depth to it. It's just that it's constantly being s...
Magic BS? E.g. spawning a whole team on a flank?
hasty tinsel
Yeah
random pecan
I personally think that Germany vs. USA right now is quite balanced. The problem is Russia vs. Germany, which is strongly in favour of Germany due to the MG42 and StG 44 due to the Germans having to be balanced against the Americans. The PPSH/SVT 40 is not present on Russian side to offset this. It might be improved if there were team class limits. Alternatively, StG/Mg42 removed from the Eastern front. Alternatively to that, add the similarly ridiculously rare
Fedorov Avtomat to the Russians.
There's no way anyone can play with the StG 44 or MG42 in HLL and think they are fair.
Those guns absolutely shred.
hasty tinsel
STG OP because 30rnd mag
next oasis
the lack of differences in weapon damage output is what's keeping weapon asymmetry from ever being a thing in HLL
there's no room for adjustments when damn near every weapon is capable of OHKing in the ranges you are typically engaging in
BM dug themselves into that hole
next lava
There's no way anyone can play with the StG 44 or MG42 in HLL and think they are...
They could give Russians more players, or more probably a lower spawn timer?
And/or lower seat switch time in tanks.
dawn widget
any tips when playing the machine gunner class
autumn rose
I dont think the STG or MG42 is the problem
Hell the Mg34 is almost identical performance wise
The stg I'd like to see removed from eastern
But the real issue isnt the Soviet rifles in the way their classes are
Very few classes get m38s as opposed to ppshs or m9130s
And their lmg is horrid
Their armor situation is also pretty dire
The soviets need more options for armor imo
The t34 is almost useless in all practical engagements
They have no light tank
The IS1 is too expensive and slow to be a good front line support tank
The soviets need a light tank and probably another medium
random pecan
@next oasis I find the damage model is fine. The problems can be balanced with ROF and recoil. The StG has no weaknesses - it is good at close medium and long range. That is accurate, but horrid for balance. The MG42 ROF is so high its easy to hit running targets with its low recoil.
@next lava the problem is that in games people hate dying. Being dead is not playing. So giving one team more players that die more is not fun for those players.
autumn rose
Honestly the mg42 and the other mags should have the overheat mechanic that was promised
random pecan
@autumn rose lots of good points.
autumn rose
And the stg44 should not be on easterb period
random pecan
It's clear that the Russians have serious balance problems vs. Germans. Someone on the forums said it best: it
It is late war 1944 Germany vs. early war 1942 Russia.
With exception of IS1
autumn rose
The Soviets really just need to have a more standardized set of content
The 1891 mosin should not be a standard weapon
Rhe m9130 and the m38 should be common
But for some reason theres like 1 class with the m38
random pecan
If Germany was split into Early/Late East/West then it would open more balance options.
autumn rose
I wish
Honestly I think itd be better if the Soviets got a light tank, probably the Bt7 or T70
And then the Kv1 as a cheap heavy
The KV1 would be really nice for infantry support
random pecan
Tanks is one thing, but most players play as infantry. Infantry should be balanced too. This isn't a human wave simulator.
autumn rose
A tank with near good armor,the same gun as the T34, and maybe even some smoke shells like th jumbo 75
Well there's only 2 eastern maps
Kursk is made by the armor
Stalingrad can won easily with a good tank squad and good position
The soviets have to either shoot from a bullet hose or a fucking musket
random pecan
Kursk has terrible balance problems independent of faction balance.
autumn rose
That's true
I love kursk but the spawns really need to not be able to be shot into from 1km
Kursk is one of my favorite maps
Because it's such a great map for defense or armor
But the spawns being open is pretty horrid
burnt torrent
i think the game is good the way it is
random pecan
I leave the server when Kursk comes on. Horribly balanced. Not fun to play. The Germans fight down hill for 2/5 the map. The Russians fight up hill.
random pecan
They need to remove the gradient from windmills to Russian spawn.
dawn widget
any tips when playing the machine gunner class
s
autumn rose
The spawns should be on hills
But they are in the divots and the center is the hill
So whichever tank squad makes it their decides the game
random pecan
I think all Kursk needs is to have the overall gradient from windmills to Russian spawn removed. Keep the undulation, but remove the long range gradient that has the Germans shooting down on the Russians.
autumn rose
Trust me, this game has a lot of issues
burnt torrent
when we are at a disadvantage
it's great
trying our hardest
screaming
most fun i've had in a while
autumn rose
I used to feel like that
random pecan
Russian faction isn't even on console yet is it?
vapid summit
what is a node
autumn rose
But trust me. Sometimes you'll get gamed hard and itll make you mad
autumn rose
what is a node
A supply generator
vapid summit
it's the thing that looks like a missile that drops right?
autumn rose
There are 3 types of nodes. each generate that type of resource. Nodes require supplies to build and must be built in friendly territory
No, that's a supply drop
vapid summit
tent?
vapid summit
oooooh
vapid summit
like ammo nodes and stuff?
autumn rose
I didnt even know russians weren't on consoles
vapid summit
There are 3 types of nodes. each generate that type of resource. Nodes require s...
so ammo nodes for example, they generate ammo?
vapid summit
oh
autumn rose
Man power is for special commander abilities
autumn rose
And fuel is for vehicle spawns
vapid summit
this game was worth every penny tho
indeed
autumn rose
HLL is a good game it's just having growing pains atm
autumn rose
I have nearly 700 hours on it so I think my opinion is somewhat valid
vapid summit
been playing mostly all day
been playing HLL all day since i bought it
i got HLL 3 days ago
i just reached rank 21
burnt torrent
i'm level 12 haha
autumn rose
Honestly you dont know fun in HLL until you play 3 man puma
vapid summit
and its really fun
autumn rose
Lvl 142 if I remember right
vapid summit
Honestly you dont know fun in HLL until you play 3 man puma
oh
autumn rose
But recon tanks got nerfed a bit so its probably different
vapid summit
i joined a regiment or community division
autumn rose
I love armor, I'm lvl 10 squad leaders lvl 7 commanderz lvl 8 tank commande, lvl 9 engineer, lvl 7 tank crewman and lvl 8 sniper
Everything else is between 3 and 6
My spotter is 7 I think
deft trail
👌
vapid summit
but i mostly use rifleman if i'm in axis team
autumn rose
I've won games with fortresses I've built
vapid summit
cuz i like the kar 98
autumn rose
Axis rifle is really good
The panzergrenadier class is really good
The explosive box helps
vapid summit
sometimes i also go support when SL wants me to
autumn rose
You should try engineer or mg
vapid summit
engineers are the one incharge of supply drops or nodes right??
and they build sandbags and stuff?
autumn rose
They dont do supply drops
That's commander
They can build defenses and nodes
Or set mines and satchels
They can also repair tanks
Also the mg34 is under rated
I'd advise using it, its op
Any other new players need help
Speak now or forever hold your noob
next oasis
<@!232366603038228481> I find the damage model is fine. The problems can be bala...
ROF and recoil largely do not matter when targets go down in 1 hit more times than they don't.
Increasing recoil doesn't change anything about how players engage targets other than make them never want to shoot more than one bullet at a time, and one bullet is all you need to down targets, so it's not really a prohibitive change in any meaningful way.
autumn rose
^
lean sapphire
ANY FIX FOR THE STUTTERS?
hasty tinsel
ANY FIX FOR THE STUTTERS?
Speak eloquently
nimble furnace
ANY FIX FOR THE STUTTERS?
Try putting the game and Steam into administration mode
ruby valve
I have 30 minutes for my first game, is there some game mode I can join and leave without doing damage?
nimble furnace
An empty server
waxen carbon
I have 30 minutes for my first game, is there some game mode I can join and leav...
Honestly one person leaving mid match isn’t a big deal unless it’s commander or a squad lead
sweet cliff
C to talk to squad anywhere, V to talk to close by people in or out of squad, middle mouse to ping.
noble oasis
C to talk to squad anywhere, V to talk to close by people in or out of squad, mi...
can both teams hear the V chat ?
sweet cliff
No only friendlies, I think it stops being discernable around 50m but it drops off with distance so it can be hard to hear people
And X to talk to command chat if you're in a role that gets that.
full drift
should i focus on leveling tank commander or tank crewman