new-recruit-barracks

[meager mango]

On console, specifically

It would be cool to set up a proper armored division with Panzers, Panthers and a Tiger or two

[iron anvil]

Damn right, we were sold "This is a simulation of war... not an arcade arena shooter. " and got a BF2 clone.

If you like this mediocrity, good for you, but I ain't ever going to stop bitching about it, till I find something better to do.

[teal kraken]

why dont you go play arma than lol

[uncut jasper]

I'd rather play HLL any day than Arma

[gloomy grove]

Why did you come back then?

[modern rampart]

So great to see another 🃏 join us. Can't wait for the fresh takes he's gonna bring.

[gloomy grove]

More for us to cherish having around the place

[humble token]

Hey, I've just got a PS5 and hell let loose seems to be lagging alot. I'm in Europe and using the Europe server so I'm not sure what's up?

[atomic pulsar]

You may have more luck in #console-general-chat or #console-support depending on what you're experiencing

[sage plume]

Hi. Not sure which channel to ask this in: When can we get this game on GOG?

[rugged topaz]

where are all the talk channels?

i dont see anyone talking

[gloomy grove]

No one really uses the voice channels on this discord. Why would they?

[normal pike]

In game chat is much better for HLL, discord is good for mid game coordination

[slim fractal]

In-game chat. Better than Discord? Big doubt. Adjust individual voice levels, better overlay options, better sound quality... what else?

I rather have my squad in Discord's squad channel than use in-game's squad channel at all.

[dawn widget]

It’s on sale on Steam right now if that helps. Not 100% off though sorry

[heavy belfry]

polen 1939 chapter when

I wanna charge german positions in a cockroach

or even better slap a 20mm onto it

hehehe

[trail spoke]

hello all

[thin linden]

Hey how you going?

[trail spoke]

good just started playing 10 hours ago im loving this game

[thin linden]

Yeah its good fun

[tropic charm]

97 kills
without dying
So close to the achievement.

[normal pike]

Oh, the discord quality and options are better, absolutely. I'm probably a little biased, as the guys that use discord don't use in-game comms for proxy/leadership, and it kinda ruins it.

What I should have said is the in-game chat is easier to communicate with your team when you are first starting out in the game.... unlike something like PUBG where you use the regional discord.

[slim fractal]

Depends on people. I communicate fluently within squad inside Discord and in command channel in-game. But sure, I understand the friend groups who just plays the game for themselves instead for the team. Especially when your team is filled with 2-3 player locked units and there is no contact or communication with them.

[normal pike]

I've seen the opposite too - almost half of your team in the one channel - it's a complete clusterfk and just noise pollution.

The day we can adjust individual levels in-game (or at least, proxy/unit/command) will be massive.

[lunar locust]

<@&365680483276816385> Hey, just looking to find out where all the voice channels are in order to meet people to play with. Thank you

[slim fractal]

Not a mod but there are no active voice channels in this Discord. Your best bet is to go through#console-divisions-recruitment and join different communities.

[normal pike]

What region are you from mate? Best bet are community servers, many good and helpful players hang out there. Check out console divisions in Tuomainen's message above 🙂

[lunar locust]

Thanks all, appreciate the direction. I'm in the UK and play on PC, happy to fill any roles but prefer medic at this moment in time.

[slim fractal]

Oh, why have you console roles selected 🤷 Then #pc-divisions-recruitment is the direction.

[lunar locust]

I didn't see an option for PC, only ps5 or Xbox and I know we have xbox game pass on pc so just selected that

[dawn widget]

why do soldiers not have voicelines

[swift perch]

Is there a Gary limit per team?

[dawn widget]

It’s 8… not sure if those preplaced garrisons on Offensive count towards it.

[tepid sentinel]

I can't join any game, every time I do, I get a message that says I lost connect to the host, despite trying to play in a NA Server. Is there something happening rn?

[balmy heath]

They don't and they don't count towards the 200m distance from player placed garris. so you can put a garri right next to the default offensive one

[sweet owl]

How close do you need to be to an outpost/garry to block the spawns? Seem like almost point blank?

[next oasis]

Pretty much right on top of it.
The only other consideration is if a Garry is placed within Red territory, the enemy only needs to be within 100m to disable people from spawning on it

[sweet owl]

Oh interesting. Good info. Thanks.

[verbal pond]

So... MG34/42s and M1919 Brownings can damage transport and supply trucks and destroy them. Do rifles (Kar98ks, M1 Garands, BARs) do any damage to trucks?

I emptied a bunch of BAR magazines into a truck and it didn't seem to do any non-cosmetic damage

[warm knot]

only MGs can damage trucks I believe

[verbal pond]

(The rifles use the exact same rounds as the MGs, don't they?)

[warm knot]

correct

yes, this does not make any sense

[verbal pond]

[warm knot]

contrary to popular belief, tracers don't double as incendiary rounds

[swift perch]

Only on really dry firing ranges 🤣

[next oasis]

it takes 100 rounds to destroy a truck with MGs. The 1919 and mg34/42

[sweet owl]

What's the range on the warning that an enemy players is near an OP/Garry?

Like how close to it do they need to be for it to show the warning but still let you spawn

[next oasis]

50m

radius

[autumn rose]

Tracers do have a slight increase in chance of causing fire though right?

Atleast in dry environments

[swift perch]

Yeah they can light stuff on fire given the right circumstances.

[autumn rose]

Yeah, I was pretty sure of that

Thags one of the listed reasons for them being banned in most US states

Cause our country has a tendency to burst into flames at the slightest spark

[still vault]

They do, but can be difficult to hear or may not play depending on system resources.

[sweet owl]

How close do you need to be to supplies to use them?

[gritty bolt]

tracers can 100% cause a fire, i've put out one in the yard due to this

[hardy birch]

Because you are the soldier's voice line

[sage plume]

I know it is, thanks ChibaSky - that's why I'm asking. I want to get it, but I'm not fond of Steam at all. Sale would be nice, Full price is OK - but from a shop that is really fair to its customers.

[uncut jasper]

I think it's just Steam for now. Would probably be extremely hard to let people play across multiple platforms judging by how servers are barely functional on Steam

[warm knot]

I don't think this is the case

[autumn rose]

In colorado it was one of the primary reasons

since our state and everything west of us can't help but not bursting into flames at any moment

[warm knot]

maybe they're banned at parks, but I don't think they're banned state-wide

[autumn rose]

one sec

[warm knot]

I don't think a single state has banned tracer ammunition

[autumn rose]

they're illegal in cali xd

[warm knot]

only california bans tracers as far as I could tell

beat me to it lmao

[limber scarab]

Is there a chance that the pacific theater will be added at some point?

[warm knot]

yes, eventually

[whole warren]

hello

[burnt ridge]

hi I'm new 🙂 Wife bought me this game for my birthday and I'm really loving it

[whole warren]

i plan on getting this game tomorrow

[native furnace]

I used to get that, try reinstalling on SSD drive if you havent already. Main thing here is to combat lag and load times that are too long. afaik if u spend too much time loading itll auto boot you. But I cant confirm that.
Obviously load into matches with lowest possible ping and all that, but reinstalling on SSD is the most effective method I can recommend

theres also a few launch configs u can set from steam library launch settings such as '-dx12' to help speed things up etc etc

[dawn widget]

hello everyone

thinking about buying the game 🙂

[native furnace]

the answer is yes if your specs can make the cut and you have a mic

[dawn widget]

is communicating with the team necessary?

[burnt ridge]

highly recommended

[brave ruin]

^^

[native furnace]

scratch that, its a requirement

only case it doesnt apply is if ur playing some quiet squad where everyones doing their own thing

[burnt ridge]

there is text chat for those who cannot speak 0

[native furnace]

but...yknow, tha isnt desirable

[brave ruin]

Ive seen games with minimal communication win pretty easily

Its not common tho

[native furnace]

To be sure, but that certainly isnt the standard, or what we'd want to make the norm

[sweet cliff]

50 meters

[dim pulsar]

Cali gun laws 😆

[dawn widget]

im so excited to play that game already ahh

[silk prairie]

Is there no party system on pc or am I blind?

[slim fractal]

There is not but it's in the roadmap, coming sometime in the future.

[sweet owl]

So say I'm Officer. And I want to build a garry on a flank in enemy territory. Can I do this using just my support? I know they only drop 50 supplies and I need 100. Can they drop more after a cooldown or a redepoy? Or do they need to swap roles and the new support drops the second 50 I need?

[tall orchid]

the latter. a support can only have one box out at a time

you either need two supports, a supply drop, or a crate from a supply truck to build a forward garrison

[hardy cedar]

swap roles is the meta

[sweet owl]

Ok thanks!

[kindred ridge]

I have a question about using arty ?

[tall orchid]

yeeees?

[rancid cargo]

Hey I just bought the game and wow it’s fun!

[dawn widget]

me either!

[lost hound]

Match the approximate mils needed for the distance of the target area using the mils to distance chart on the left side of the screen, and send some lead down range. I always recommend firing a little ahead of the target, so you're not shelling friendly lines

Amazing the amount of friendly kills you can get with arty lol

[sweet owl]

Should arty players make their own locked squad and only hit SL marks or is it common for them to stay in a squad and help them out with arty support?

[tidal yarrow]

There's also websites and apps on Android that you can just put the number in and then it tells you the exact arty number

I've racked up insane numbers that way

[unique shard]

Looking for players to play with with organized communication.

[dim pulsar]

A maximum of two players in locked squad is all you need.

The officer will be the frontline spotter and one other person to operate the artillery gun.

Playing minimalistic is also an option, but requires better understanding of the battlefield. One person in a locked squad can trade communicated with the team, or use map to analyze and predict enemy locations.

A full squad can have a designated artillery operator, but in most cases ppl are dumb , so smart ppl just lock their squad and solo operate the artillery. Welcome to hll

[kindred ridge]

If you can’t see the mark well of the distance of the mark target can you use ur map to see the distance mark target and if u do will it hit the same range?

[brave ruin]

I mean you can ping the mark on the map to see how far it is from you

[agile rock]

Jesus fucking christ I've just bought this game on a whim and I think I have PTSD

This isn't battlefield there's poo in my pants

[dim pulsar]

The poo in your pants also enjoying the ride 💩

[kindred ridge]

Wouldn’t someone else mark be the same distance ?

[brave ruin]

Lmao

[sweet cliff]

You can be very effective in a one man locked squad as an SL on arty since it gives you command chat and other squads marks, ability to place your own marks and ability to see recon.

You can also be effective back on arty if your any other role if you're in a communicating squad, but in those scenarios I find it most useful to only be back there for a short time to hit a specific fire mission to get something done, like clear out a compound or space to allow your squad to push up and take some territory.

The thing you don't want to be is some random role, on artillery in a squad that isn't communicating so when other squads are telling you the arty is bad, falling too close to friendlies, hitting totally empty areas with no enemies, or the team is too low on munitions, etc. and nobody can reach you on comms.

and it's also bad to be locking some role that is better suited on the front line in a squad that is out doing something, and you're just hogging assault or AT or something or god forbid support back on the AT gun.

[chrome spoke]

How do you get to the middle of the map when the game starts ?

if nobody picks me up with a transport truck, is it just walking ?

or redeploying when someone puts up a garrison ?

[native furnace]

nailed it in two

[chrome spoke]

ok, redeploying feels so dirty to me as a new player

feels weird to start the game like that

[dawn widget]

yeah i grabbed this on the steam sale, wayyy more intense than i was expecting. very good tho i just suck rn

a lot of this is super weird to me

[sweet cliff]

It's an important part of the game, don't feel bad about redeploying.

[sweet cliff]

Tons of great resources out there, what kind of questions do you have? https://www.youtube.com/user/monoespacial has tons of tips and how to videos, https://www.youtube.com/c/TheFreshBakedGoods and https://www.youtube.com/user/TheSaucymuffin are also good for gameplay videos, mostly tanking.

[dawn widget]

uhhh... basically everything lol. I come from boomer shooters, i'm not used to how the majority of this game works.

thanks for the links, i'll check em out

i've always had an interest in realistic shooters i just never dedicated the time to actually playing one til now.

[sweet cliff]

So there are two game modes, warfare and offensive, warfare is a lot more popular I think.

Essentially the game revolves around building and protecting spawn points. OPs are built by SLs, only that squad can deploy on them, they are free to build (can only place them so often) and can be blown up by explosives or enemies walking close to them.

Garrisons are also built by SLs or the commander, they cost 50 supplies in friendly (blue) territory or 100 in enemy (red) territory but the entire team can deploy at any garrison, garrisons will lock when enemies are close (15 meters in the blue? or something close to that) or 100 meters in the red.

The support class is available to every infantry squad and allows the support person to drop a box of 50 supplies every 5 minutes (if you walk close to a manpower node that time gets cut in half to 2.5 minutes).

Your best bet when starting out is to hop in a squad, try to find one that talks, go support if nobody else is and just be willing to redeploy to where the SL is or follow him around as needed and look at the map and be aware of what is happening, are you currently losing your point, capping the next point, etc.

[dawn widget]

ok yeah, it's mostly the actual combat i'm getting used to

[sweet cliff]

Most teams lose because they did not build or did not protect enough garrisons, a lot of people misdiagnose losing as something else, but it's typically either lack of spawns, or the team being unwilling to defend or only attacking, or both.

and shooting dudes is mostly just a means to an end to remove their cap weight from the sector, or to go destroy their spawns.

TTK is low on weapons, so getting accurate shots on target is more important than dumping a lot of bullets into people.

[dawn widget]

i've played a few games so far and i'm picking it up slowly. mostly been running around following people and figuring it out from others. still dying constantly, but less constantly.

and seeing enemies more, etc

[sweet cliff]

Yeah it's not a super complicated game but there can be a lot of stuff going on and it can be overwhelming when you're new.

It is a hundred times easier to see enemies if you are stationary and they are moving, it is always useful to be defending a point (exception being the attacking team of offensive since those points can't be recapped)

So you can always hang back and pick a spot that enemies are going to be moving through or towards and pick dudes off, this isn't always directly on the strong point either, but sometimes it is.

As you play more you'll start picking up map awareness and can have a good idea of what's going on or where enemies are based off what OPs/garrisons are pinging (the red exclamation point indicating enemies are near), or where your team is, but the point is still being capped, etc.

[native furnace]

whooo boy, imagine what Chum would have to say about that 😁

[sweet cliff]

You don't have to like the mechanic but while it's in the game if you aren't using it you're not playing the game to win, playing to have fun is also acceptable.

Hoofing it 600 meters on foot is not fun though.

[native furnace]

yeah thats true, im not running after the truck at the start of the match, ever

[sweet cliff]

First truck is important for getting SLs and supports out on the map, and getting cap weight into the mid point, but if you missed the truck you missed the truck and if the team won't build an attacking garrison for people to deploy on, well you've already lost, even if it takes an hour and a half to get to the loss screen.

With an SL or the commander in the first supply truck and an SL/support in each transports you could get 5 garrisons up within the first couple of minutes of a match, that is huge, it also never happens.

6 if you throw an SL/support in the recon tank.

[chrome spoke]

what do you do with the supply truck after the garisson is placed ?

[sweet cliff]

Depends, you can build two garrisons off one supply truck since you can drop two boxes, if you have an engineer in the truck you can hand it off to them to go build nodes with after the first garrison, you can also take it back to spawn and resupply it and get more boxes, if you're the commander you should probably stick with the truck and continue to build garrisons.

If you have no intention of keeping the truck, don't leave it immediately on the garrison, park it somewhere out of sight with the engine off or it's a giant flashing beacon that says spawn point right over here please come kill it.

[chrome spoke]

ok cool thanks

[sweet cliff]

Supply trucks cost 100 fuel to spawn, so they aren't super detrimental if they're lost to the enemy or to simple abandonment by the team.

[chrome spoke]

so its ok to take a supply truck as SL with a support, build a garrison on the line, and then park truck 100m back. and then have the rest of the squad redeploy and go from there

since i m new was always wondering about how to have a good start with the squad

[sweet cliff]

For sure, that first supply truck is really important for getting garrisons up, but if you have a support in your squad you can leave the supply truck and get in one of the 3 transports at the beginning and your support can drop a box to get that garrison up.

[chrome spoke]

since now it was usually miss the truck and walk 600m :/

are there 3 transport trucks in the beginning ?

so 1 on every HQ ?

[sweet cliff]

Yep, one at each spawn, at least on PC I can't speak for consoles.

[chrome spoke]

I thought there was only 1

oh cool

[sweet cliff]

If you're running SL and aren't playing with people you know and can trust to do what you need (i.e. spawn support and get in the first truck right away) a really important and easy way to help the team is to snag the first supply truck and use it to build two garrisons.

[chrome spoke]

so if you can get in the transport with SL and 1 support, you can get a garrison up right?

[sweet cliff]

PC is on U10, console is on either U9 or some tweaked version of U9 I have no idea.

Yes, you can get one blue zone garrison up because a blue zone garrison costs 50 supplies, a support drops 50, you also can't build garrisons in neutral territory, so you need to get those first garrison(s) up in the blue before neutral territory.

[chrome spoke]

U10?

[sweet cliff]

Update 10.

[chrome spoke]

oh ok

[sweet cliff]

PC Update 11 drops December 7th, easy way to distinguish what people are talking about because there can be pretty major differences between updates.

A red zone garrison takes 100 supplies so that is either a supply drop (100 supplies), supply truck (150 supplies) or two supply boxes (2x50) which can either be a support from two squads, or you can drop an OP and have one person drop a box, and then redeploy and select a different role and have another person in the squad drop the second box.

The double drop method is preferable to the first two because it doesn't generate a parachute which is a really big clue to the enemy team a spawn is going down over there, and doesn't involve driving a big noisy truck.

[chrome spoke]

i see

So there is no cooldown on building garrisons

[sweet cliff]

The first 10 minutes of the game should revolve around capping the mid point, getting two attacking (blue zone garrisons set up to where people can push the mid point) garrisons up and then a backup garrison to defend your 2nd point if you don't cap mid, you typically (but not always) want those garrisons not on the strong point itself, generally a triangle around the point with the point in the middle so you should always have at least one up at any point to spawn off of since you can't build them closer than 200 meters apart.

A garrison on the strong point is almost guaranteed to get blown up by a bombing run or tank, and it is trivial for infantry to find it there.

There is no cool down no but there is a max of 8 at any point, and any method to generate supplies has some sort of cool down associated with it.

Sometimes you don't have better garrison placement options depending on the map and what points there are and how close they are to the edge of the map.

And of course you can't have them closer than 200 meters apart from each other, and a red zone garrison locks when enemies are within 100 meters, so those are all important considerations when dropping them.

[chrome spoke]

alright, great info thanks

[sweet cliff]

Most teams lose because of garrisons, generally the lack thereof

Most important thing is if your support score is 0 you don't get to complain about lack of garrisons!

[chrome spoke]

so considering what you just said about redeploying

if there is an airhead goign down and you are an offensive squad, you can ask your squad to just redeploy on the airhead as soon as it goes down?

[echo oriole]

im needing people to play with, just got the game. im on pc. english speaking, with mic

[uncut flame]

Absolutely.

And your whole squad can be waiting at the redeploy screen looking at the map. waiting for the airhead to go live.

In an ideal world you have a person or squad securing the drop zone for when the airhead lands. And people deploy.

But needs must.

[uncut flame]

Have a go at asking in #pc-looking-for-unit

Also, when you play a match and find you get along with someone, you can send them a Steam friends request in a match.

I'm not in a game now, but I believe if you press tab to have a look at the scores page.

You can find their name and scores, etc. Then somewhere on that profile line is a button to friend them. It'll just make it happen through Steam.

[sweet owl]

What does this mean?

[ionic smelt]

Recon plane

[atomic pulsar]

The arrow (bottom-left in this case) shows the direction the plane is flying
The white bar around the icon showing the progress of the plane flying overhead
The grey area on the map (not shown) highlight the area of effect for the plane (or any other commander ability tbh)

[glad pasture]

Final PTE before Update 11

We will be holding the final PTE on Thursday December 2nd at 11am GMT

For those who are new to** PTE’s** you’ll need to join the Discord and head over to the #pte-update13
channel. If you get the time, feel free to join us in one last leg of testing to ensure we have the update primed and smooth as possible for release. Update 11!

[peak veldt]

Guys - as Commander, how can I quickly tell which squad a player belongs to? It’s annoying that I can’t see it quicker

[sweet cliff]

There's no easy way short of looking at the score screen or mousing over them on the map and seeing which squad lead gets highlighted at the same time.

[lost hound]

Does anyone else on Xbox or PS have occasional issues with internal squad and proximity comms going out completely for the entirety of the game?

[timber bay]

welp

i suck at this game

[fallen swallow]

dont worry we all do

[dawn widget]

just played for the first time and I am a little overwhelmed lol

[dense whale]

Same here

[dawn widget]

Games super immersive felt like I was at war.. Good job devs... Got some good kills today and my first day I got 0... Love the game win or lose

[brave ruin]

Its a grind for sure, but worth it once you get the hang of it

[dawn widget]

I struggle when it's mid battle or near the end.. . I started joining servers which had low numbers and found it a lot easier to get into it

[iron anvil]

I'm not going to ruin it for you with a lengthy explanation, but I know a bit of worthless military trivia, which makes this game as immersive as Disney Starwars. It only makes sense if you don't think about it, and only entertains you so long as you don't try to win the game.

[dawn widget]

Haha no worries.. I like the sounds... Feels good

[dawn widget]

I can’t believe this game is such a grind, and yet I don’t hate it like pubg. I actually quite enjoy it!

[peak veldt]

I’m interested in this - can you explain further?

[prime quartz]

STG-44s in Stalingrad, Tiger tanks fighting Americans in Normandy, tanks on PHL, time traveling Jumbo sherman, etc...

[dawn widget]

cry about it lol

[prime quartz]

no you

[dawn widget]

ok

[modern rampart]

Tigers in Normandy are alright, imo. Same as tanks on PHL. Jumbos are debatable and STGs in Stalingrad should be a no-go

[balmy heath]

On PC there has been a VOIP bug for a long time. Seems it's also in the console version. I'm not sure about console but PC has a disconnect/reconnect in the settings that some times fixes it. Otherwise the only way I know to get it to work is to restart the game

[prime quartz]

IMO it doesn't really matter except that the game often makes a claim towards realism

[modern rampart]

It depends on your personal views about what should be/what could be/ and what is realistic

it is "realistic" in the most common sense, I'd argue.

Proper military historians would not like a lot of the things they see though. Fair.

[prime quartz]

see i'd disagree on the basis of time travel

[modern rampart]

Same.

but there are nuances to it as well imo

[prime quartz]

like its one thing to harp on about which model of Panzer IV is in play

but another to hand wave a vehicle 2-3 years into the past

[modern rampart]

a late variant of a Sherman is, imo, less annoying than a Tiger in Stalingrad

[prime quartz]

like a proper military historian type I expect to be able to say "yes, the Panzer IV was here but this is a G and it should be an F"

whereas just any dumbass can identify that the Panther shouldn't be in Stalingrad

[modern rampart]

Don't be too certain about that lol

[dawn widget]

Garry son is all I can think of

[sweet cliff]

Yeah but that's a thing because of game play balance because the factions need to be roughly even, and also because there's not that many vehicles in game and it takes a lot of work to add them, you could probably get rid of the Panther in Stalingrad if we had some sweet StuGs or other things.

[prime quartz]

just remove heavies from Stalingrad

but my argument wasn't about game ba;ance

but claims to realism and/or accuracy

[sweet cliff]

Yeah for sure, but realism/accuracy should always take a back seat (within reason, but I still want my hello kitty tank skin) to game play and game balance

[dawn widget]

official hell let loose x hello kitty collab when

i played until 2am last night and actually started getting ok, thanks a lot for the help

[autumn rose]

Honestly yall are too hard on HLL

In the year where BF2042 became one of the worst rated steam games of all time in a matter of a month, HLL is a fucking miracle

[full crane]

pitch me the game

[autumn rose]

This game is what battlefield should have evolved into

[full crane]

why should i spend money in it

[autumn rose]

That's how I play it

You dont

Just buy the game

Play a round

If you dont like it refund

If you like it, play it.

It's not through origin so you actually can refund it or rate it fairly

[full crane]

origin does refounds as well

[autumn rose]

I like the game because it feels like a middle ground between older battlefield games and more harecore shooters like arma or PS

Origin denied my refund for a game I never played or downloaded because they didnt like me reason for refund

[full crane]

prob you had bought it too long ago

[warm knot]

should have just lied

[autumn rose]

I bought it 2 days before the refund request

Yeah I should have said it didnt work

I said it wasnt what I expected and the gameplay was bad

And they said "sucks lmao"

[full crane]

they said that?

[swift perch]

Both are good. Numbers be damned.

[autumn rose]

No they said a corporate version of that

[dawn widget]

Because it will make you feel the highest highs and also more pissed off than you’ve been so far this year. You will truly live. 10/10

[autumn rose]

Yes

[full crane]

what game was it

[autumn rose]

BF1 when it was coming out with its second dlc

Which sucks cause I loved the game on console

But at the time the game didnt size correctly to my monitor, and I had to play it in shitty windowed

Also the French tankzilla was dumb

But I guess its my mistake for paying EA

[prime quartz]

eh, HLL has a much lower bar to pass than 2042

[autumn rose]

Well I mean

For a game with a 2.5 billion dollar budget, it doesnt get a pass

[prime quartz]

I mean sure but HLL is not a miracle in that sense

its a smaller game with smaller scope that has a bunch of outstanding issues that it would be torn apart for if it had a bigger audience

Hll and 2042 are one in the same except that HLL can fly under the radar

both publically and in your mind

[hollow zenith]

Just realized the guy on the starting screen is holding an enfield

[still vault]

Most curious.

[prime quartz]

brits are confirmed

[autumn rose]

Yeah the p47 in the title card looks like an a6m2 with us paint

And the Sherman's look soooo jank

And the tigers are disproportionate to the point where they dont look like real tanks

I hope they change the title image at some point tbh

A similarly styled image onlooking like a charge down through a bombed out field in bastogne with armor and aircraft over

[next oasis]

(most of the promos and art have the soldiers on the right side as being left handed also)

[autumn rose]

Or like market garden style overlook of open combatants a paradrop

The eastern front title card was better thoufh

Even if the tank in the promo isnt even ingame

G ruh mble

[iron anvil]

I swear that title image is just a stock image, I remember seeing it, or something identical to it in H&G, with the short sleeved German and the same silhouettes.

Looking through old images related to H&G, and I think I might be wrong... its just the same uninspiring composition and vapid style.

[autumn rose]

It feels like a stock image

[iron anvil]

certainly FEELs like it at the least

[autumn rose]

The image doesnt even show content in the game its portraying

Lmao

Where stuka

Where panzer 4

[iron anvil]

Well, neither does half of the game trailers.

[autumn rose]

True

U10 trailer showed content that just didnt exist

[iron anvil]

They've been advertising the game with the Pz4 for a while now, and the animations don't match anything I've ever seen in game

[autumn rose]

Yeah

Which is silly to me

If they had enough of something to use it fully in a trailer why not actually just add it?

No mans sky moment

[iron anvil]

They lied to us Kickstarters, so I have no reason to expect they'd stop lying to the new players either.

I think the real reason is timing. They seem to hold things that are finished for a long time, and push things that are unfinished to meet seemingly arbitrary deadlines

They seem to put some undue importance onto these time tables, like its some sort of marketing metric or something. I can only guess, because no one has the inside baseball.

[autumn rose]

which is funny because despite all of that they still have the best customer service and public reps for any somewhat mainstream WW2 fps

"durr vanguard is the most innovative and immersive experience"

and also, at the end of the day, being a company with any level of public service or appearance is agony in 2021

Blackmatter at least does care about its player base and quality

Whether it has the ability to actually substantially improve it is yet to see, but its obvious EA, DICE, and basically every other major company does not give literally any shit about its player base.

HLL has the trouble of being just mainstream enough to be on consoles and have a public appearance, but just indie enough to not have the disgustingly large budgets of similar companies

[still vault]

EA and EA DICE staff seem to have too high a turnover for the engine to handle.

[autumn rose]

Well not to mention that they only function because of major advertising

Their games are the equivalent to the transformers movies

mediocre acting, mediocre plot, mediocre movie, good ads, and some remastering

and then just churn that out once a year

[dawn widget]

Really? Even the first TF movies?

[autumn rose]

and boom AAA company

The gimmick gets old after the first

Like, black ops original was an awesome game

but yknow

By Black ops 48 its kinda

well

bad

theres no major innovations, its just the same game but shinier

[dawn widget]

True that...

[autumn rose]

I like HLL because it just feels like what games like Day of Defeat would have evolved into

[dawn widget]

But when things get innovated, some complain that its "different"... right?

[autumn rose]

Well, it depends

Different can be amazing

But when you only make differences on the enjoyable core parts of the game, its not good

Like BF2042

The game is pretty

its not as buggy as some other large titles

not saying much

but its just bland

Its empty

Its advertising made it seem like an achievement, like a new chapter for games.

[dawn widget]

How would you make 2042 less empty then?

[autumn rose]

And its content doesn't even outshine its game last year

Its not finished, it needed a lot more work

The interface is bad

Theres no server browser

the combat is obviously not refined

the gun count is lower than any other BF game

the maps are mediocre

the combat is bland

and you know

it would all be fine

if the games budget wasn't 2.5 billion dollars

[plush glen]

Well bf franchise is good in wasting money

[autumn rose]

The budget for BF2042 was more than the budget of denver colorado

a city of a million or so people

its close to the budget of all of alaska

Thats why its upsetting

the game isn't horrible

but its not good

[plush glen]

To much managers to little real games

[autumn rose]

If you were paid 150K and you managed a mcdonalds, you'd be doing a similar thing

the money is not going where it needs to be, its a waste

[plush glen]

Gamers**

[autumn rose]

They could have paid for not only an entirely new engine, staff team, and development, but they also could still have had a good advert campaign

[plush glen]

Jup thats for sure

[autumn rose]

I guess thats the story of like

80% of all things now

if you're not mismanaging the funds you're doing it wrong I guess

[dawn widget]

Just out of curiosity, what would a new engine have brought them?

And us as gamers.

[autumn rose]

A more familiar platform, and a way for them to better understand their own interworkings

Think of Valve

Valve could easily use Unity, or Unreal

or any of those other systems

But they exceled because of their choice to seperate.

The source engine was tailored specifically for their games

It wasn't made for battlefield, or cod

but it was made for their games

And they knew it inside and out

It's obvious that the development team for BF2042, were not comfortable with their system

But, once again

you find yourself in the block

[dawn widget]

I see... Frostbite isnt bad tho, but I see your point. Do note that a fully custom engine will take years to develop...

[autumn rose]

Its not easy to make that jump, nor is it a guaranteed success

Yeah Exactly

its a risky investment

it's significantly easier to reuse an older engine and update it, or just use one with a different provider

[dawn widget]

Yeah, especially when a new game releases earlier then the new engine...

[autumn rose]

even if it removes overall quality

Look at a game like Valheim

5 people made that game

[dawn widget]

I think there are some copyrights there... no reusing...

[autumn rose]

5

[autumn rose]

Well in the case of DICE, its their engine

The engine for BF2042 is just the evolution of the same game framework they've generally had since BF4

which is fine

[dawn widget]

True...

[autumn rose]

but, being too comfortable is a thing

If you're scared of innovating or trying cool things, thats an issue

[dawn widget]

Also, kind of off to compare Valheim with 128 multiplayer people across multiple platforms and specs, right?

[autumn rose]

Well, Valheim was made by 5 people

[dawn widget]

100%!

[autumn rose]

And it was, for 3 months, the most well selling game on steam

it currently has around 97% positive reviews

and will likely win game of the year

But

Then you consider how many projects did not get as lucky

Valheim nearly tripled their studio size due to their success

and it caused months of blank time

training and catching new devs up

And theres the issue

DICE can afford to fire all of their devs and rehire in a month

Valheim, Blackmatter, and most other studios cannot

That's insanity for most

Hiring is very

very hard

for anything other than major providers

And at this point, I don't think I know a single person who likes EA, DICE, Activision, or any of the major FPS providers

people just tolerate them

Everyone wants their new game to be good and fun, but most people just don't take the time to say how bad it is

They just suck it up and go do something else

hoping next year is different

[next oasis]

most people don't have opinions of any of that, or care to.
the minority is just loud

kinda
like
here

[dawn widget]

Next year?

[autumn rose]

80% negative reviews doesn't seem very minor though

in the case of dice

@dawn widget the AAA cycle

Activision pumps out a CoD nearly every year

its just what they do

If this years game sucks, it just sucks

they'll patch it maybe a little

and then start next years

[dawn widget]

Scary... no time to iterate or develop more depth or the earlier mentioned new engine.

[autumn rose]

Thats where games like Valhiem, HLL, and quite a few others are different

Exactly

Minecraft is a great example

Minecraft has basically been the same general title for 10+ years

theres been a couple spinoffs

But its still, Minecraft

no Minecraft 2\

no Minecraft the sequel

[dawn widget]

Yourcraft - The Spinoff...

[autumn rose]

if theres a bad update, or people want something

they add it

if HLL wants to add things

they add it

If DICE wants to add things

its a DLC

its rarely an update

[dawn widget]

I see...

[autumn rose]

and if they want to make real changes, they'll just save it for next years game

and so, like I said

we just hope next year is different

No Man's Sky is a good example of how hope can sometimes pay off

[dawn widget]

True! Even CP2077 did the same.

[autumn rose]

A game that had, very likely, the worse public launch of any game in recent history

Cyberpunk had it bad too

FFXIV had it bad I've heard

But No Man's Sky was so bad

that they literally became the term

if a game had great hype and it was horrible

it was a "No Man's Sky"

But

The development studio said "No, fuck that"

And so they developed and fixed the game for 4 years

adding major content update after major content update

The game went from mostly negative ratings to postivie

Thats legitimately insane

thats almost unheard of

The game is actually twice as good as the original hype alluded to

and thats why people are tired of BF2042 and shit like that

People realize its more than possible for devs to fix their garbage

[modern rampart]

The comeback No Man's Sky had is an extremely inspiring story altogether. Despite the bad press and almost hopeless outlook they came back from the brink and blew it completely out of the water, surprising literally everybody. Probably also because they still believed in their vision of the project and did not want their "baby" to be held as the golden standard of how not to do marketing or development of a video game.

[autumn rose]

And good

on

them

[modern rampart]

Absolutely.

[autumn rose]

No mans sky now is unironically one of my favorite games

every few months theres a major patch and I get on and do it and love it

I've just finished most of the main stuff

[modern rampart]

It's not really my type of game but even as an outsider I can see how much they improved basically everything about the game

[autumn rose]

I was one of the people who preordered it

it was the first and last game I ever preordered

and

I refunded it a week later

I ended up buying it again 6 months later to give it another chance

and never refunded it

and it was a good buy

and it was on sale

so epic gamer buy

[modern rampart]

yeah it pretty much consistently improved itself

[autumn rose]

Its now to the point where I have an actual officialized star nation with claims and sectors

and we have a capital planet with player builts towns

[modern rampart]

as soon as the intergalactic warfare update comes out there will be civil wars and invasions all over the place

wasn't that supposed to be a thing, pre launch?

[autumn rose]

yeah for real

yeah

and actually, technically it is

MP has been pretty good

theres not enough framework for like

massive spacial interactives as of now

but its been getting progressively better

[modern rampart]

I wonder if Star Citizen will ever come to actual fruition

kinda has the same vibe that NMS, doesn't it

[autumn rose]

Star citizen was basically the same level of progress when NMS came out

[modern rampart]

albeit with a much bigger budget

[autumn rose]

NMS actually has a smaller budget generally

xd

[modern rampart]

Star Citizen is basically selling the player a dream, a concept

not an "actual" game yet

[autumn rose]

yeah

[modern rampart]

in like 10 years or so..

I dunno, we shall see. That's the problem with these super ambitious projects

[autumn rose]

by then I'll actually just buy a starship and do it

[modern rampart]

an actual spaceship at that point

[autumn rose]

yeah fr

[modern rampart]

play Star Citizen in real life

[autumn rose]

"content update, we added a new animation"

"okay see you guys in a year"

[uncut flame]

This has been a really good conversation to read, as a person who isn't really an immediate consumer of AAA games.

As a person who works in tech, I am pretty aware of the working conditions and culture in the various studios though. The way investor or organisational pressures create certain patterns.

Or the way clever business decisions create freedom from those pressures.

For example, I was saying in #mess-hall last night how it was clever for HLL not to manage their own game servers. But to have trusted partners.

So they can step away from having the manage those, but can have some quality control via a partnership program. It lets them scale more effectively as the player base creates the demand for servers. Or when if a server dies off then it isn't a big impact back on them.

That means they can keep focus, without worrying about what happens if the game gets popular or has a lull. Having to scale servers and engineering staff.

[autumn rose]

Honestly it sucks man

Especially considering it's not even the majority of the devs fault

It's horrible top level design decisions that direct the competence of hundreds of exceptional and good devs or staff

But such comes the cost of identifying bad companies or organizations

90% of the people in EA are good hard working people

It just happens that the other 10% are the main managing body

Like, I dont believe for a second that any someone sentient person looked at BF2042 from the dev side and thought "eh, consistent servers and server browsers are dumb and not necessary "

I know for a fact that every somewhat intelligent person heard that absolute walnut of a human being and was like 😐 😕

"Whatever boss"

[dawn widget]

I agree about NMS, fair play to those devs. Meanwhile Star Citizen just passed $400m in funding. $400m!

[native furnace]

I still cant believe that, I have a friend who just pours the money into SC, thankfully hes got money to burn but like...goddamn

I cant fathom that sort of faith in a game

[dawn widget]

He sounds like a good friend to have if you ever want to make a game

[peak veldt]

Four hundred million dollars and people are getting excited about food and drink features in the game

To the convo above - I’m guessing most of us our in our 20s and 30s, so will understand how technologically and socially illiterate a lot of our bosses are. They are the ones who ultimately make the big decisions which kill franchises, prioritise micro transactions or bullshit DLC, and leave gamers confused.

I’m not bitter, just jaded 😅😅😅

[sweet owl]

Can artillery destroy OPs and Garrys?

[dawn widget]

I think it would be really funny and fun if hell let loose had a Chaplin or Priest class of Solider. This class of solider wouldn't be able to carry any conventional weapons but would have extra capping powers over your average solider. Ideally they would also carry a bible that they could throw at the enemy as well as a rosary that you could strange Nazis with as a melee weapon. It would be a great feature if they were able to lie next to an injured solider and read their bible as the solider dies. I think watching soldiers with robes prance around the battlefield would be hilarious. Let me know what you think!

[chrome spoke]

yes

[ancient pollen]

Hello I don't have the game but I love it x)

[iron ibex]

You also have to consider that the consumer is also at blame because despite the fact that we get sold half the game on full price and get the rest as DLCs, we've also accepted broken launches, Betas, microtransactions at every turn and no mod support

[gloomy grove]

Doesn't kill garrisons

[chrome spoke]

Hmm, I thought garrisons could get blown up aswell

[peak veldt]

Fair point.

[iron ibex]

I know devs are greedy assholes but gamers are the ones spreading their cheeks to them

and those of us who complain seem to be a vocal minority, a large subsection to be sure but a minority nonetheless

400.000.000 dollars is quite the sum

By comparison, it took Rockstar about 265 million to produce GTAV

Cyberpunk needed 316 million, and it was and still is a broken mess which underdelivered

[chrome spoke]

welcome to software development 😄

[iron ibex]

BF4 needed about 100 million

[chrome spoke]

more money definitely doesnt mean better product

[iron ibex]

Indeed

and I don't want to imply Star Citizen is a scam, but at this point it might as well be

[chrome spoke]

All depends on how its managed

[iron ibex]

The game will never meet the demands of what's been promised

[chrome spoke]

But like you said, the gamers are a big part of the problem

[iron ibex]

The gamers are the enablers of their own problems

[chrome spoke]

blindly pre ordering / buying the next iteration

[iron ibex]

Corporations are always greedy, but the consumer has gotten dumber

You basically pay more for less

[chrome spoke]

a lot dumber

Management wants their games to appeal to the widest audience possible, and doing that, they extract the soul of the game.

[peak veldt]

Star Citizen is basically a huge Patreon at this point subsisting on the hopes and dreams of a generation of gamers who have money to burn

[chrome spoke]

they dont care about making the best game possible, they care about making the most money possible

[iron ibex]

Yeah because they become more and more diluted

[chrome spoke]

so they make puzzles easier, dumb down games, add stupid cosmetics, ...

[peak veldt]

Unfortunately you can either have an accessible game, or an in depth game; you can’t have both. Enthusiasts will always lose out to the appeal of Fortnite audience.

[dim pulsar]

Lol, paying = fun

[iron ibex]

By extension the gaming "journalists" have also become way dumber, remember that fucking guy who couldn't even get past the Cuphead tutorial?

[peak veldt]

Part of the problem is this silly idea that everyone’s mission should be to make difficult things “more accessible” and easy to pick up.

Why?

Some things are complex and difficult. That’s what I want. Not buggy or broken - just subtle and not easy.

[iron ibex]

I don't know about that, I think Call of Duty used to have a great formula and it fucked it up, even though it already appealed to a mass audience

[chrome spoke]

I picked up uncharted 4 recently cause i was bored (and i m old - 36)

[iron ibex]

Nothing was wrong with World at War except a couple of nitpicky details

[peak veldt]

36 ain’t old lol

66 is old

[chrome spoke]

if you compare those puzzles with puzzles in old resident evil games or something like that

the difference is crazy

[iron ibex]

I like the uncharted games but ever since Amy Hening left the company they've been crappy

[chrome spoke]

games right now seem like they are made for 8 year olds

and make me feel really old 😄

[peak veldt]

I think generally technology has made people dumber and lowered expectations

[iron ibex]

I'm 23 and I agree lol

[dim pulsar]

You only old if you make pain noises when you sit, or breath heavily after stepping out of shower

[peak veldt]

People are so impatient and hate applying their brains

[iron ibex]

Indeed

[peak veldt]

I mean people at work refuse to try to understand excel

[iron ibex]

they also don't really know about 10yearold games because they never played them

so they don't know what quality looks like

[peak veldt]

They think it is like fucking enigma machine

Everyone has an iPhone but nobody knows how to change a wheel or regulate their bicycle gears despite ALL THE INFORMATION IN THE WORLD in Google

[iron ibex]

Holy fuck you have no idea how right you are

[peak veldt]

Some days I am just pissed off and today is one of them lol

[iron ibex]

I was in the Netherlands last summer and a couple of my Dutch friends there didn't even know how to replace the brakes on their bicycles

Or even replace a tyre

[peak veldt]

It’s not even that, it’s refusing to try to even understand it

They just look at you blankly

[iron ibex]

Yeah with a cowface

[peak veldt]

literally cow face! Chewing grass. Meanwhile my grandad is fighting Germans in a forest and fixing his car with a hammer and a Hail Mary 😂

[iron ibex]

Lol yeah

[peak veldt]

Even DIY, my friends pay people to put up shelves

Who do a shit job anyway

[dim pulsar]

Its not that they are refusing to try, its cause the tire is heavy Nd they are a bunch of nancies

[iron ibex]

If you can't put together your own IKEA furniture then you're probably retarded

[peak veldt]

My central question in all of this is always - okay, it might take time to learn. But what are you using that time for instead?

[iron ibex]

Didn't anyone play with legos when they were growing up, fucking hell

[peak veldt]

Most of the time they are watching Netflix or complaining about politics or whatever

[iron ibex]

tiktok and instagram

lol

social media cancer in general

[peak veldt]

This is why I am a grumpy tank commander on HLL. In my metal box with a loyal crew all is ok

We have a simple job

[iron ibex]

Same here

[peak veldt]

Everyone is happy

[dim pulsar]

You can keep your sanity crewing with randoms on hll?

Good god

[peak veldt]

I like educating new players

And creating team spirit

It’s actually v interesting psychologically

[iron ibex]

It's usually not possible but sometimes you'll find capable people

[dim pulsar]

I play tank for 5 minutes and i lose my shit

[iron ibex]

but if my gunner doesn't even know what "2 'o clock" means then I just leave

[dim pulsar]

Im like tnt when i touch autism

[peak veldt]

😂 I’ve found that if you give people a sense of responsibility and expertise and guide them along, praise them, and give orders, they get in line because there is a narrative

Like, our tank vs the world, we are the best

Great crew etc

[iron ibex]

if they speak english

lmao

[peak veldt]

Oh yeah

😂😂😂

Yeah ofc

[dim pulsar]

“Turn left, NO your other left! Why are you backing up!?”

[iron ibex]

takes 5 minutes to put that tank in reverse

doesn't understand the basics of gear shifting and RPM

[dim pulsar]

This game isnt even hard, but its a measure of how dumb the avg person has become

[iron ibex]

I also often get a crew in which I'll tell the gunner the star on 12 but he'll turn anyway along with the driver, so by the time we face the enemy, the turret is at 9 or 3

[peak veldt]

“Driver, back up. Okay stop. Stop. Okay disembark.”

Tank is literally vertical up a telegraph pole.

“Mate when I say back up, I mean relatively, not keep backing up into infinity, otherwise this happens.”

Enemy tiger blows up our vertical tank.

“Okay see you back at spawn.”

[iron ibex]

so of course we die

or people driving into ditches

[peak veldt]

The worst is a driver who keeps shifting the tank a little bit

[iron ibex]

people not knowing how to drive between houses and ramming a wall at 30km/h

[peak veldt]

Ffs

Hahaa

[iron ibex]

eternally annoying

[dim pulsar]

To be fair, tanks shouldnt be stuck in small ditches, thats just poor design

[peak veldt]

Or the guy who just moves off without orders, just driving

[iron ibex]

Yeah it's retarded

probably a physics problem idk

[autumn rose]

My favorites are the ones who choose to cut shortcuts through the forests on hill 400 or hurtgen

[dim pulsar]

Problem is they didnt program the tank to have a vertical acceleration when the treads impact a surface

[peak veldt]

Oh God.

[iron ibex]

Lmao

[autumn rose]

And yeah I think it comes from how the take itself does the tracks and traction

[iron ibex]

pain

I think PS's tank combat is slightly better atm

unfortunately

I hope we catch up soon

[autumn rose]

The tank doesnt actually use tracks, it uses wheels with constraints server side

[peak veldt]

The guys who are like “yeah the map shows a vertical drop so ig I’ll just plough on in 4th gear”

[autumn rose]

PS has good tanks

[peak veldt]

Should I try Ps?

[iron ibex]

I didn't say they're bad, but they need work

[autumn rose]

I just wish they had good everything else

PS is dead

[iron ibex]

eh maybe if you don't care about the money

but yeah it's sorta dead

you'll need to know a clan

[dim pulsar]

All game vehicles use wheels, its how you program those wheel

[peak veldt]

Why do these games lose focus just as they are getting ok

[autumn rose]

There are never more than 3 servers with players, often none being full

[peak veldt]

Ffs it’s like forget physics, let’s do dlc and skins!!

[autumn rose]

Post scriptum lost momentum because of the devs

Squad comes first

[iron ibex]

Honestly I would like some more uniform variety

[autumn rose]

And so it showed

[peak veldt]

It’s worse having a game which is 80% there than a shitty buggy mess

[iron ibex]

especially for squad leaders

give us a damn sergeant uniform lol

for each side

[peak veldt]

HLL is about 25% away from being my favourite thing ever

Yeah. Also the command chat needs sorting out

[iron ibex]

yeah it's almost there

just need to iron out some things first

command chat is a fucking pain if it's too active

[peak veldt]

Like, I commend what they have achieved so far, it’s really awesome, so all my criticism is out of love for it

[autumn rose]

I would like an unteroffizier uniform for SL and maybe give some classes have their rank on the shoulder

[iron ibex]

yeah same here

[autumn rose]

Being hauptmann rank and then having it on your commanders uniform would be cool

[peak veldt]

I get agitated because all the AAA studios are pumping out sewage and pc gaming is dying a bit more every day

[iron ibex]

Yeah that, just with some white piping on their collars and maybe a medal like on the tank crews, just so you don't like like another basic bitch infantryman

[iron ibex]

Let's not get into that again because we'll be here all day

[autumn rose]

Not even that, just shoulder boards, collar, and visor

[iron ibex]

I can complain about it eternally

[autumn rose]

That's all they really need

[peak veldt]

True true.

[autumn rose]

Also just saying, default panzer uniform is not a heer panzer uniform

[iron ibex]

Won't be hard since the medals are already in game

[autumn rose]

Capping game devs

[iron ibex]

but yeah different ranks need to happen

[peak veldt]

To me also the command meta is odd. 50 players is like a platoon IRL

So HLL is really like a mechanised infantry platoon sim

Who have found some artillery lol

[dawn widget]

The new PS stats seem pretty good. Average for the month is back to late 2020 levels. And that was just on the back of a few days in November.

[autumn rose]

Me when my "heer tank crewman" is wearing a black SS panzer uniform and the lvl 8 unlock is an SS pea dot camo

[iron ibex]

I think the commander should have an assistant or two who could delegate information and also act as bodyguards

[autumn rose]

Like nice try devs, but we all know that's not the "heer"

[peak veldt]

A HQ squad construct would be interesting

[iron ibex]

lmao yeah but it's pretty cool

[autumn rose]

I dont care either way, but it should be called what it is

[iron ibex]

PS doesn't even use eagles or ranks on german uniforms

it's lame as hell

[peak veldt]

HQ is really like support function. If your max capacity is 6 in a squad than a two squad attack is only 12 men - it’s really not much to take an objective with unless people deploy covering fire etc

[autumn rose]

Post scriptum never seemed to value player progression

That's why I could never get into it

[iron ibex]

I could never get used to PS's maps

[peak veldt]

I’d also like a Commander battle plan that can be shared with the entire team

[iron ibex]

way too simplistic and bare bones

[peak veldt]

Just assign roles to squads and let SLs carry out the job

[iron ibex]

yeah if they'll fucking listen

if they even have microphones

jesus christ

[peak veldt]

I like silent squads who fuck off down to enemy HQ instead of capturing objectives

Love

Or locked infantry squads of one guy

[iron ibex]

On one match our commander had this funny french accent and he spent 15 minutes trying to get into contact with Able's SL so that he'd set up a garrison

[peak veldt]

See you in Berlin lads

One at a time

[iron ibex]

Not as bad as locked 1-man tank crews

[autumn rose]

I'd like actual heer uniforms when we got more tanks

[iron ibex]

now that's infuriating

[peak veldt]

My special ire is reserved for the guys who stay off command chat and then walk up to Commander in local and start demanding stuff

[iron ibex]

They're adding the Panzer IV aren't they?

[autumn rose]

Mhm

When they add Stug we need heer uniforms

[iron ibex]

I only did that once when the commander was not responding on command chat for some reason

[autumn rose]

I want stug

So bad

[iron ibex]

needed him to spawn a tank and he wasn't

[peak veldt]

I just love being blowtorched in the face by some weird tankie asking for a tiger over and over again

[iron ibex]

Stug would be cool

What about mobile artillery

Too OP?

Like a Sexton or a Hummel

[autumn rose]

They have hummel coming

[iron ibex]

Yeah I saw the art

[autumn rose]

Self propelled guns are eventually gonna be in

Eventually

E v e n t u a l l y

[iron ibex]

Imagine how much damage you can do with one of those

base-raping

[autumn rose]

Depends on how they introduce it

[peak veldt]

I consider it a successful match if I can get SLs to use mic and tell me which squad they are AND use map references instead of “can I get arty on my mark”

Like, literally who the f are you I have no idea or where you are or what the mark is lol

[autumn rose]

Me, spending 15 seconds reloading a shell just to miss

[iron ibex]

lmao

question

do tank shells go through truck tarps?

[autumn rose]

I may have an answer

Uh

[iron ibex]

Seemed to happen to me 3 times

on close range, like 100m

[autumn rose]

Like the tarp part or the truck itself

[iron ibex]

yeah

the back cover

[autumn rose]

Ah

[iron ibex]

of supply trucks

[autumn rose]

AP shells fly through it in my experience

[peak veldt]

I think half tracks as armoured transport will revolutionise the game

[autumn rose]

He shells work well

[iron ibex]

I thought it would count as a hit because they're supposed to be full of supply crates (even though they appear empty)

[peak veldt]

Finally we can have some sort of mechanised infantry combat.

[iron ibex]

I wish they'd tweak the weapons a little bit more as well

[peak veldt]

How?

[iron ibex]

Ever played Red Orchestra 2?

Heroes of Stalingrad

You can check your mag ammo level, approximately, you can change MG barrels if they get too hot

when you reload your MG your guy actually goes behind cover and doesn't keep standing up

and there's also range mechanics

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRAXl-3JwTY

(replaced the link with better video)

go to like 14:00 to see what I mean about MG reloading

[hearty field]

nope he dosent go behind cover , it was only possible to go behind cover if you was using fixet mg

[iron ibex]

MG34 can also do single-shot fire which was a thing

[iron ibex]

yeah wrong video, I got a better one now

I also like that the MG gunner is wearing gloves to not get burnt

barrel replacement at 13:48

[peak veldt]

Is red orchestra 2 an old game? Sorry I am not familiar with it at all

[iron ibex]

eeh 2011 I think

[hearty field]

yep , old game

[dim pulsar]

Its a relic

[iron ibex]

It's got the gold standard of ww2 weapon machanics in my mind

just better than anything else I've ever seen

[peak veldt]

I need to give it a go

With my 3080ti lol

[iron ibex]

It's worth it imo

just prepare to die a lot lol

but yeah if you play HLL I guess that's fine

[dim pulsar]

Define “ a lot”

[iron ibex]

Not more or less than HLL I guess

[dim pulsar]

I mean in hll

[iron ibex]

oh well eh

[bitter sable]

Anyone have a rule of thumb or just an easier way to track the 200m distance between Garrisons?

[iron ibex]

depending on your luck

15-25 times per match

[iron ibex]

Use the grid squares on the map

I think on maximum zoom, each square is 100x100

[dim pulsar]

If you reach 25 deaths you suck

[bitter sable]

Is every two grids representative of 200?

[iron ibex]

I do suck

as infantry

[bitter sable]

Okay yeah. That's what I thought.

[iron ibex]

lmao

[peak veldt]

I once stayed alive for 90 mins

[iron ibex]

Lol jeez

as?

that should be an achievement

it was in world at war

[peak veldt]

A machine gunner in a squad with a SL who would just not shut up

On Foy

[iron ibex]

ahahaha

[dim pulsar]

Death doesnt matter all too much, its how you contribute to the team that matter

[peak veldt]

We ended up in the north of the map in that town - I was last one alive

[iron ibex]

yeah that's why you don't really get points for actual kills as well

[peak veldt]

Sprayed a guy who came through a door

[iron ibex]

it's more so about the objective

[bitter sable]

I have played games where I've died 25 - 30 times but still have the highest scoring squad

[peak veldt]

Then lay in the road while Germans were all around us, turned around and killed a guy creeping up on me with a shovel with my pistol

Heart was beating so fast

He died next to me haha

[iron ibex]

haven't killed anyone with a shovel yet

[peak veldt]

Retreated to a house and waited for the end of the match for 5 mins just with my pistol pointed at the door and no ammo

Lol

[iron ibex]

gg

[peak veldt]

It was atmospheric tho

Interesting when the squad actually plays together you genuinely create defensive bottlenecks and can pick off enemy infantry

[iron ibex]

The Americans do have a big advantage on close quarters

[peak veldt]

We ended up fortifying a house in the town and spraying Germans on two sides

Was exciting

[iron ibex]

Yeah I played a game like that once

I was on the other side

[peak veldt]

Maybe we fought against each other

[iron ibex]

we all must have died like 30 times

It's possible lol

you had like 3 squads fighting over this one house

[peak veldt]

There was a lot of “you watch this window, you watch this window, we are not dying here tonight”

Yeah

[iron ibex]

americans coming in through the windows

killing 4 guys with one thomson burst

lol

[peak veldt]

Machine guns spraying down into the forest, people trying to cross open fields

[iron ibex]

i was playing medic and all I could see around me was revive prompts

[dim pulsar]

Those pesky americans

[iron ibex]

brilliant

[peak veldt]

Me telling the squad to hold fire until all the poor fuckers were completely out of cover, and then just carnage

Ambushes in this game are hugely underrated

[iron ibex]

yeah because there's no fire discipline

everyone just fires whenever they see anything

[peak veldt]

Yep

Yeah it’s so stupid

In BFV I have amassed many many kills by just staying still

Human eye is trained to detect movement

[iron ibex]

Lol I can't stomach that game

[peak veldt]

So just keep to your squad still

And wait

[iron ibex]

yeah that's what I usually do as well

when I can stay still I do

not always an option

[peak veldt]

There’s nothing that breaks morale like mowing down a whole squad at once, they don’t know who or what killed them, but they ain’t going that way again right

Psychology

[iron ibex]

They'd be stupid to

but a lot of people do because they follow the Cod/BF revenge mentality

So they go down the same path again and again like three or four times

especially those players who play as lone wolves

[peak veldt]

Also supply drops in empty areas of the map because people will always chase after them. Captured a town like that last night - one squad just distracted them from a distance, some infantry ran to destroy it while not noticing an entire squad plus recon vehicle coming into the rear of the town.

Quick capture

[iron ibex]

This game does suffer from sneak capping because the whole team will be attacking

so you can literally have like 2 guys from the enemy team cap your rear

it's dumb

[peak veldt]

Not enough players to cover the map properly

Yeah

It’s annoying

[iron ibex]

I do feel like the maps are too large sometimes but it also goes down to command organisation

and honestly everyone wants to attack

I don't really blame them

on the other hand, this sort of shit loses games

[peak veldt]

As I said above it’s because the 50 player team limit is really like a large platoon

It’s not quite enough to make a company tho

[iron ibex]

yeah

might be a server limitation too

as well as engine limitations

[peak veldt]

Definitely. And so the Commander role is awkward

Because you feel like you have a company at your disposal but you’re really just a platoon leader with the responsibility of all Hq stuff

[iron ibex]

I can see why they'd do it this way

[peak veldt]

And a “heavy assault” can just be 10-15 men and a tank

Yeah me too

[iron ibex]

wouldn't really be practical to delegate all the commander's responsibilities to the SLs

because SLs are unreliable

and don't coordinate

[iron ibex]

that does sound like a lot for this game yeah lol

especially if they've set up spawn points near

[peak veldt]

They’ve balanced it as best they can

If you had 100 per side you couldn’t move

[iron ibex]

I don't complain about it

Lol that doesn't sound very manageable tbh

command chat would be chaos

[peak veldt]

😂

[iron ibex]

it already is sometimes

[peak veldt]

Yeah it would be impossible

You’d need like platoon commanders and a central commander

[iron ibex]

if they do 100 players per team, you'd have to have two commanders

per side

and you can make it out to be like the american commander and the british commander

[peak veldt]

Man WW2 must have been so much work lol

[iron ibex]

and then the wehrmacht commadner the ss/luftwaffe commander

[peak veldt]

No wonder it took 5 years

[iron ibex]

Logistically? Oh yeah

hundreds of millions of tons of paperwork was produced

on all sides

[peak veldt]

I’m trying to find some good history books about that element of it

The military history

[iron ibex]

Imagine you played an HLL game that lasted 50 minutes

[peak veldt]

Sparked by HLL actually

[iron ibex]

and after each game you have to sit down for an hour, recollect everything you did, and write a report about it

[peak veldt]

Holy fuck

Every engagement

War is hell. Hell and paperwork.

[iron ibex]

yeah, because you'd have to explain how pvt. so and so died

or why pvt. so and so deserves a commendation

[iron ibex]

Bureaucracy is ever-present even in hell I guess lmao

[peak veldt]

Tell his parents he died a hero, where in reality he solo’d and yolo’d a recon and drove straight into an enemy objective

[iron ibex]

sounds about right

[peak veldt]

Commander should be able to award medals

Purple Hearts

[iron ibex]

Actually that's not a bad idea

[peak veldt]

I mean bravery medals

[iron ibex]

I mean

Commander should be able to commend like 5 people

[peak veldt]

SLs should nominate soldiers

[iron ibex]

as opposed to 1

and SLs should be able to commend 2

[peak veldt]

I want to be able to give a speech to some private and be like “son, you did your country proud today. Enjoy the pension.”

[iron ibex]

ahahaha

[peak veldt]

“Private Watson here is a credit to the United States of Americuh”

[iron ibex]

Anyways it's been fun but I got a few things to do

ttyl man

[peak veldt]

👍🏻

[chrome spoke]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQ3EFOPKrSM in the first minute of this video, he is dismantling a garry and enemies still spawn on it ?

I thought they couldnt spawn when you were on it?

[prime quartz]

its possible

[glacial compass]

is there going to be any DLC this Christmas, another winter dlc maybe such as uniforms and helmets?

[peak veldt]

Physics DLC - collision meshes and vertical acceleration!

[unkempt zinc]

Does the PTRS-41 (Soviet Anti-Tank weapon) resupply with explosive ammo or regular ammo?

[tall orchid]

regular

[dawn widget]

Thanks to all the people that helped me today... Appreciate it.. Met some great guys who took the time to teach ❤️

[hardy cedar]

check out the TIK channel on yt, bucketload of info about behind the scenes and also book sources listed. Might also want to check Military History Visualised

[prime quartz]

careful with TIK

if he starts doing literally anything except reading a book by Glantz mute him

[iron ibex]

TIK is literally the worst youtube armchair 'historian'

[hardy cedar]

i dont watch him, i use him as asmr to fall asleep lol

[iron ibex]

eww

[dawn widget]

I can only fall asleep to this one https://youtu.be/opDoE_GQgO4

[iron ibex]

What's his cat's name though

[dawn widget]

oh no

[lucid sleet]

Hopped into a very friendly and helpful squad during my first ever game last night. Restored my faith in humanity a little bit.

[autumn rose]

don't worry that wont last long

But, HLL has probably the best community for newbies

We all hurt, but we welcome you to hurt with us ❤️

[wind crater]

Just wanna make sure in case I completely missed things, the next update is being released on the 7th right?

[tall orchid]

yes

[dim pulsar]

[dawn widget]

I'm sorry I'm from Asia. May I ask how I play this game from time to time LAG
I'm pretty sure it has nothing to do with the internet. What should I do

MY PC https://valid.x86.fr/sd8fnq

Can this game be AMD3700X msi x570 gaming plus
Optimize it. I will be very touched. This is the reason why I have not played the game since I pre-ordered it.

[peak veldt]

Have you switched off motion blur in visual options? That can give impression of lag

[dawn widget]

I set all of them to the lowest

[still vault]

Can you describe the perceived lag? How does it manifest?