You are entitled to your opinion
#new-recruit-barracks
open saddle
prime quartz
there is HLL and Insurgency on console
mighty temple
no? we've literally shown our side of everything and youre just going
prime quartz
so its a better game on console
mystic stump
You like HLL on console, we like it on PC.
mighty temple
"no dude."
prime quartz
fewer options
mystic stump
There's no 'objectively better' way to play it.
mighty temple
agreed
prime quartz
I didn't say it was objectively better
mighty temple
oh my god
mystic stump
You did, actually.
prime quartz
I said it was teamwork oriented on console, moreso
no
I did say it was better because there are fewer options
mighty temple
he just said it was better and then goes "i did NOT say that"
you should be a politician lol
prime quartz
not because I enjoyed console m ore
I said becasue there are fewer options its a better game
less competition
dawn widget
Round 7 of the superlameweight internet title
prime quartz
HLL or Insurgency your pick
open saddle
I don’t think a game can be “better” just because it’s the only one to play 🤣
prime quartz
it def can be
mighty temple
if thats your opinion then cool, but i dont think thats how it works lol
open saddle
In your opinion
prime quartz
if you cannot play Squad then why compare?
next oasis
these guys can't into relativity
prime quartz
lol, i know
mystic stump
Not sure what this is supposed to mean, especially when someone followed up with saying 'that's not objective fact', and you said 'yes, it is'.
prime quartz
its horrific
prime quartz
Not sure what this is supposed to mean, especially when someone followed up with...
because there are fewer options on console
no other game on console palys like HLL
not a single one
mighty temple
so how does that make it better?
prime quartz
Because its your only option
mystic stump
No, I mean you said objectively that HLL was better on console. That was your opener.
prime quartz
you cannot comapre it to something you can't play
prime quartz
No, I mean you said objectively that HLL was better on console. That was your op...
yes, because you have less choice
open saddle
So there for it’s better to play it on console just because there is nothing else to play on console….logic…
prime quartz
on PC oyu have more choice so you can delve into the discussion more
mighty temple
pro level logic here
prime quartz
So there for it’s better to play it on console just because there is nothing els...
yes
mystic stump
OK, so we're in agreement that you said it was better on console, objectively?
prime quartz
obviously
prime quartz
OK, so we're in agreement that you said it was better on console, objectively?
yes
now trap me
activate your trap card
prime quartz
i was fairly clear that its because there are no other options (few other)
dawn widget
this is my best Saturday night ever
prime quartz
PC has Squad, PS, and HLL sharing mechanics
console has HLL
and Insurgency sharing the tactical realm
but the backend of Insurgency is not really similar to HLL
mystic stump
Cool. I'm just saying that's what you said. You didn't say "I prefer it on console", you said "it's objectively better on console". So whatever man, but don't make tacksie-backsies if you're here to argue.
open saddle
So…HLL on console, is better than the same game on Pc, because there are less similar games on console….makes perfect sense
prime quartz
in the sense that someone is asking for a recommendation and they said "i want atactical shooter"
if they were on console I would say totally get HLL
on PC I would say "well what else have you played"
open saddle
But if they had a Pc as well?
prime quartz
because there is more competitong
prime quartz
But if they had a Pc as well?
it depends on what they wnat to play on
which is why you ask "what platform" as I did
prime quartz
I did
open saddle
So it’s got nothing to do with the game being “better”?
mighty temple
you asked what else have they played
mystic stump
Yeah, this isn't what we're talking about tho.
mighty temple
we're talking about what you originally said
mystic stump
We're talking about which port is better, PC or console.
mighty temple
yeah
mystic stump
Which is what you started with, saying console is objectively the better of the two ports.
mystic stump
learn to write?
mighty temple
bro what the fuck
mystic stump
I dunno man.
open saddle
Read this?
dawn widget
The conclusion seems to be: PC would be better if everyone were forced to play with a console controller.
mighty temple
LMAOOOO
prime quartz
What platform
prime quartz
The conclusion seems to be: PC would be better if everyone were forced to play w...
i didn't say that
mighty temple
hes so mentally deficient hes lost the point of what he originally said
prime quartz
and I don't know how you are getting that
I said its a better game on consolebecause there are fewer options
mighty temple
"HA! read this other argument i started in the middle of the other one"
mystic stump
I don't even care man, the complaint about keyboard/mouse is irrelevant to me, seems to be a skill issue ngl.
prime quartz
its not
mighty temple
truth
prime quartz
it changes how the game is played
mighty temple
it is lol
prime quartz
again I consistently get a 2.0 k/d
PC empowers lone wolf players more
whereas console weakens them
viscid pagoda
On steam it's already on sale
open saddle
So look. If I have a PC and a console, which platform should I get HLL on in your opinion?
prime quartz
On steam it's already on sale
i thought so but didnt know when it ended
prime quartz
So look. If I have a PC and a console, which platform should I get HLL on in you...
depends
viscid pagoda
Tomorrow
warm knot
stop arguing with conscripts, they're conscripts for a reason
open saddle
On?
open saddle
But you said it’s better on console???
mystic stump
stop arguing with conscripts, they're conscripts for a reason
What's a conscript?
dawn widget
i didn't say that
Well you were pretty clear about the controller. But I assumed you wouldn’t argue about the PC being ahead in other forms of development. Sorry if mistaken.
prime quartz
it just that its an easier choice
mighty temple
not particularly easy though
open saddle
If I’m on console im gonna play with controller….if I’m on pc K&M
prime quartz
objectively
open saddle
Why?
prime quartz
but its not so good that you can't decide on the PC version
mighty temple
i dont have a next gen console that could consistently run HLL, so why would i waste my money?
mighty temple
i either buy a next gen console (good luck) or i get it on PC and my life becomes instantly easier
prime quartz
95 is objectively a better score
open saddle
Who is scoring?
prime quartz
but that doesn't mean that the 90 is trash
open saddle
What’s the score based on?
mighty temple
where were the scores at?
prime quartz
lord and savior
mighty temple
okay theres no way youre not trolling lol
open saddle
So……you are randomly assigning console 95?
prime quartz
written in the heavens
prime quartz
So……you are randomly assigning console 95?
for sake of argument
open saddle
Why is Pc not 100?
mystic stump
Nah, actually wondering what these different roles on the server have to do with?
mighty temple
i either took the bait or not dude
dawn widget
i either buy a next gen console (good luck) or i get it on PC and my life become...
I wish I’d not cancelled that 3070 I had on order. Harder to get one of those than a PS5 now
prime quartz
Nah, actually wondering what these different roles on the server have to do with...
enlisted/conscript are post-launch
mighty temple
yeah idk either grimm
prime quartz
so July-ish of this year
mighty temple
I wish I’d not cancelled that 3070 I had on order. Harder to get one of those th...
amen, i wish i could get a 3070 rn. stuck with my 1660 :(
open saddle
The Devil says PC is 101 and console is a 5. PC is better than console?
mystic stump
So, depending on when I joined this discord or?
prime quartz
that allows you access to the classic chat channel
mighty temple
yeah
dawn widget
amen, i wish i could get a 3070 rn. stuck with my 1660 :(
970 here. Yeah even shops like Scan are charging scalper prices now.
mystic stump
Seems like an arbitrary way to say "I don't like new players" ngl Enigma.
mighty temple
970 here. Yeah even shops like Scan are charging scalper prices now.
hate the scalper prices dude, i saw one go for 1k flat the other day and about had a heart attack
im not even a new player, been playing since release
prime quartz
new players tend to be more optimistic and not to ahve seen development over time
mighty temple
just hate discord
dawn widget
hate the scalper prices dude, i saw one go for 1k flat the other day and about h...
christ
prime quartz
you also have ranks for your KS backer level
which is why some folks have colored names
mystic stump
KS?
prime quartz
kickstarter
mystic stump
ah.
prime quartz
back when the game wasn't going to have leveling and loadouts and be a more Squad/RO2 esque game
dawn widget
Oh I thought those were people who’d done something for the community
I suppose they did.
prime quartz
Oh I thought those were people who’d done something for the community
they paid money for the game to be made
so yea
dawn widget
Yeah
mystic stump
They paid with their money. So did I, after it was made.
prime quartz
yea but they risked it
dawn widget
Thank you Old Ones
prime quartz
on no product
mighty temple
thank god they added leveling and loadouts
prime quartz
and also ended up witha product that wasn't advertised
mighty temple
gives me a reason to grind
dawn widget
and also ended up witha product that wasn't advertised
go on….
prime quartz
not great
mighty temple
yeah, i dont really care for a lot of the alternate loadouts
dawn widget
(actually don’t sorry)
mighty temple
leveling is alright, i like the cosmetics and stuff
prime quartz
go on….
HLL was supposed to be a much less arcade game with more accuracy in weapon loadouts, vehicles, etc...
so like the tank rework was a slap in the face to a lot of the OG backers (not all, but a lot)
prime quartz
yeah, i dont really care for a lot of the alternate loadouts
the worse part is a lot of them are just seal clubbing
dawn widget
HLL was supposed to be a much less arcade game with more accuracy in weapon load...
Yeah I’ve heard this a couple of times, only started playing in closed beta though so dunno
prime quartz
lvl 9 assault is just dumb
mighty temple
facts, i dont use any assault alternates at all
default assault loadout is the only good one imo
officer alternates are alright
prime quartz
but anyway, back to my point.
If someone were on console its much easier to recommend HLL because they have fewer options. Whereas on PC you haave to ask them what sort of game they want and then balance that against all the other "tactical realism" games on offer
dawn widget
Alternate engineer seems a bit anaemic? At least let the guy have a hammer Jesus
open saddle
HLL was supposed to be a much less arcade game with more accuracy in weapon load...
All the bunny hopping 360 no scopes really grind my gears
mighty temple
Alternate engineer seems a bit anaemic? At least let the guy have a hammer Jesus
this made me chuckle lol
dawn widget
this made me chuckle lol
He’s got a gun and a bomb and is otherwise basically naked
prime quartz
And then getting back to gamepaly differences. HLL on console and PC are the same but the controller inputs are very different. So that creates some real differences in gamepaly
mighty temple
homie went into war with his balls flappin in the wind
prime quartz
console play is slower and more team oriented because its harder for a single player to ace 5-6 guys in seconds
almost impossible
so you need tobe with your team more
whereas on PC a player is empowered to do far more damage for faster
and that empowers players to lone wolf more
it also changes how fighting plays out
on PC its more about iterations while on console there tends to be more flow to the fight
dim pulsar
homie went into war with his balls flappin in the wind
You never tried?
mighty temple
not yet, very tempted to now ngl
prime quartz
I need a CHum murder clip at this point
mighty temple
finna do that on stalingrad like a real man
prime quartz
Console you also cannot see/aim as far so combat ranges are reduced also
these all add together to createa difference experience even though teh game is literally the same
if you want faster action the PC is better but if you want slower then the console is probably better. Assuming you can handle using a joystick
I think sticks are cancer so fuck that
mystic stump
I enjoy RS2 and HLL, for different things. RS2 is a lot more fast paced and intense. HLL isn't, comparatively. But RS2 doesn't have vehicles, and HLL does, and they're pretty good all things considered. Sure, it's not WT or IL-2. I honestly don't think it should be just like them. Tanks work really well in the formula that HLL has put them into, though of course it'd be nice if a few things were adjusted. I'd like to see tank crew simulation, and different kinds of tank knock outs besides the tanks just exploding (this usually took far more damage than is simulated in the game, a tank could be put of action by a fire that is large enough to prevent the crew from operating it).
prime quartz
and again on PC there are flat out more options so its harder to do a straight recommendation of HLL
tanking in HLL has some real issues that we haven't got into
my OG OG OG point was about the game teaching players
mystic stump
Sam mentioned track immobilization, too. That'd be something I think would work in HLL.
prime quartz
the resource system is busted and the infantry AT system has no balance in it
next oasis
Despite their identicalness in features, the two versions of the game (console & PC) play distinguishably different due to the inherent allowance in controllability of a players' ability to aim and shoot targets:
In every other aspect being equal, the console version infantry combat gameplay encourages and reasonably allows for MORE team-oriented combative efforts. This is because of the inherent limitations of controller stick aiming, anyone who has extensively used a controller and a mouse to aim in shooter games will know of this distinction. Simply put, you are not being killed, or killing targets, as easily as you would be on the PC version of the game. These inherent differences in controllability of a players aiming and shooting, makes HLL on PC a much more lethal experience.
Due to this difference, on PC, it is much less feasible, and much less effective to "play with your teammates" when it comes to the infantry combat. On PC, a "strength in numbers" approach to combat is a much less viable and much less attractive option when engaging targets, as compared to the console version.
Regardless of your opinion on PCs vs console, if you are looking for a** more viably team-oriented** game where you are pitting one group of forces against another, the better option is the console version, and that is ONLY due to the inherent differences in aiming effectiveness.
next oasis
lol
mystic stump
Sure, team work in the immediate sense is more important on console. Doesn't mean there isn't effective team work on PC, of course. Just means you don't need to ask your teammate to shoot the same target as you because your means of doing so is inherently worse than on PC.
There's a lot more to teamplay besides that, though.
prime quartz
teamwork on PC, as it exists, tends to be at the squad <-> TL level and not at the infantry combat level
but that high level teamwork you can cheese more easily if you know what you are doing
mystic stump
Yeah, that's the intention.
prime quartz
its very different play
dawn widget
Do engagements also typically become more long-distance on PC?
mystic stump
Yes.
prime quartz
depends but yes
I regularly get kills at like 300 meters with a rifle
iron sight rifle
dawn widget
I’m going to have to get it. I can see that it’s going to be a different experience, just not sure how it will feel
mystic stump
Again, no denying that since you can physically aim better on PC because of tools at hand, the gunplay is different. Same game, though, and ultimately there's a lot more to teamplay than just what we've described. On some PC matches, none of this matters because the higher command isn't communicating, we don't have resources, infantry squads aren't coordinating, and so on. On some matches the stars align. Teamplay is much more than just 'How am I going to kill this enemy, do I need to ask someone to also shoot him?' It's "Where are the enemy, how can we effectively engage them with other squads, how are we going to defend/attack this OBJ," etc.
prime quartz
a lot of that high level stuff you can get away with not doing if you have good game sense
open saddle
Are you flat out forgetting the completely different setting of each of these games? If I say I want a WW2 milsim tactical shooter you can’t offer me squad can you….
mystic stump
No, actually, that's the stuff that's actually important haha.
mighty temple
I’m going to have to get it. I can see that it’s going to be a different experie...
honestly, i like it a lot better on PC but thats simply a personal preference. i think it plays better and is more fun, but honestly entirely your call.
prime quartz
No, actually, that's the stuff that's actually important haha.
e.g. I was playing Kursk and saw my entire team at the front of the enemy SP. So I jumped into a logi and drove behind the SP and spawned a garrison. My team then redeployed and we ran them over
I didn't talk to anyone
i was in fact listening to music
well by entire I mean my entire team that was trying to attack
dawn widget
honestly, i like it a lot better on PC but thats simply a personal preference. i...
Thanks, I have to get it anyway because I’m a Discord badge simp, will see how it goes 👍🏼
I want to try the half tracks too on Tuesday
prime quartz
There is teamwork there, well there can be
mighty temple
me too! im so hype for the half tracks dude its fuckin wild
prime quartz
but its also more easily papered over by good game sense
on PC probably the most important info is enemy tank location. Nearly everything else can be gleaned from watching the map if you have the hours
mystic stump
Cool for you. I'm talking about all of that being effectively communicated via teamplay. It's a different thing than what you're describing being different between console and pc. Nodes are still important, garry and OP placement, map control and awarenesss, regardless of what version you're playing.
The actual meat of what is teamplay is more or less identical between console & PC.
prime quartz
it depends a lot on the role you are palying
most players aren;t actually engaged in that high level stuff
you have your TL and maybe 50% of your SLs
if you are a riflemen though its less of a thing
since you aren't directly interacting with that higher level of communication
youa re being impacted though
mystic stump
Yeah, unfortunately haha, that's why you have matches where you and your squad can do really well but you get rolled anyway, because a lot of players don't want to pick up engi/do logi/ etc. Don't blame them, I almost exclusively play with tanks.
prime quartz
I'm gleaning that you play tank a lot
which is also a role that utilizes that higher level a lot
mystic stump
Yes, and Tank commander quite a lot.
prime quartz
TC/TL/SL are the 3 roles that really engage with that and TL?TC most of all
mystic stump
Though I don't prefer it as command chat really can get irritating sometimes. Lot of people making unnecessary radio chatter.
prime quartz
yea
not being able to mute channels is annoying as fuck
also why I mostly don't use VOIP
mystic stump
And not enough actually important call-outs, I feel. Some games I don't receive ANY enemy tank call outs.
open saddle
Looking forward to being able to lower command chat volume
prime quartz
just mute people are put my VOIP down to like 20% output
prime quartz
Looking forward to being able to lower command chat volume
VIvox so no
unless I missed something recently
open saddle
You missed it
mystic stump
And not enough actually important call-outs, I feel. Some games I don't receive ...
Despite the fact that I can see friendly squads encountering tanks, but simply not marking or calling them out. It's wild sometimes.
prime quartz
there seems tobe an obvious fix where you could mute command chat by button press
open saddle
I don’t want to mute it
prime quartz
toggle mute I would like
open saddle
I want to hear it, but not at the same volume as the rest.
mystic stump
Yup.
open saddle
I believe that’s coming with the half track update
mystic stump
Toggle mute or being able to independently adjust it's volume, both would work.
dawn widget
Does the dev pay Vivox a lump sum or on demand per game?
prime quartz
yea
well subscription fee
and they get a certain number of servers
there is a HLL server paired with a Vivox server
the game runs on the HLL while the Vivox handles VOIP
dawn widget
So the dev could create more than 1 Vivox channel per player 🤔
prime quartz
dunno
mystic stump
Sure works better on HLL than on RS2, that's for sure.
prime quartz
but it;d also be dumb expensive
dawn widget
That’s why I’m asking
dawn widget
Would need to check the contract
prime quartz
so 2x price or whatever
dawn widget
👀
prime quartz
but anyway its why you can lose conenction to VOIP
and still be inthe game
you are dumped out of the Vivox server
dawn widget
Get the lawyers in on that Vivox contract
Triple the connections
Problem solved!
(Possibly a bit excessive to change the volume per chat channel)
open saddle
Ah my bad, it was dev#150 they said they are working to roll out separate volume control in “a future update”
dense surge
are there any plans to add air gameplay in the future?
next oasis
player controlled, no
oak yarrow
This is inactive af..
subtle lance
thats unfortunate
median ivy
@oak yarrow because there’s like 6 different channels to talk in lol
uncut jasper
This is inactive af..
Most of the active people in here are in a completely different channel, and we're going all hours of the day in there
subtle lance
Which channel is that?
uncut jasper
median ivy
subtle lance
How do you see the #supporters_mess_hall?
uncut jasper
No one knows. Presumably having bought the game before it left early access, but it doesn't makes sense considering we also have a separate feedback channel from you guys
Both can't see each other's feedback channels
subtle lance
so i am basically fecked?
uncut jasper
Nah, it's still somewhat active in the console chat from what I saw. Supporters mess hall gets uh... spicy
subtle lance
is there no pc chat
uncut jasper
Not a dedicated one, although the vast majority of people in Supporters are on PC - active ones, anyway
uncut jasper
Really, I thought you got in there if you had preordered on console, too
Yeah, definitely still weird
warm knot
#mess-hall and #pc-feedback are way more dynamic than their counterparts, just saying
subtle lance
ah damn, be nice to get in a active channel with pc folk
median ivy
Just delete #supporters_mess_hall 🙂
slim fractal
Yes the PC community development strategy is rather interesting, keeping two isolated playerbases (new and old).
subtle lance
kinda no good
median ivy
I mean…they could just dumb it down to new players > pc > console
slim fractal
This is from a mod.
The development team are working on this and will release some information soon on how to Graduate from BOOT CAMP – to - COMMUNITY Supporters-mess hall. If you were a HLL Discord member previously / a member of the COMMUNITY and left for whatever reason and have returned for Update 10 by default They / You will automatically enter BOOT CAMP: It's an easy fix. P.M. me. You will of course lose any access to the **NEW BOOT CAMP area of HLL Discord..
Kinda cringe, isnt it
subtle lance
So we have to chill here for a while before we can get in?
subtle lance
damn
median ivy
Lol once you gain access you can’t see new recruits anymore
subtle lance
wait what
slim fractal
We cant see #mess-hall or #new-player-feedback for example.
subtle lance
thats no good
median ivy
Someone fucked that up bad
slim fractal
Grand design.
subtle lance
wait so what classes as a "new player"
just someone new to the discord or the game?
slim fractal
Whoever joined this Discord after 1.0 release.
subtle lance
which one is the 1.0 update?
slim fractal
Update 10. The latest major one.
slim fractal
Nobody knows.
subtle lance
imagine this but moving
slim fractal
Holy hell
You can post gifs here
We cant do that in our place
Who let that happen 
subtle lance
this server seems very well put together
scarlet token
how do I report someone for being toxic?
normal pike
community server? Usually through their discord
Official server? Don't believe you can.
frail kiln
Where can I find the information for joinging the update 11 PTE?
gloomy grove
Where can I find the information for joinging the update 11 PTE?
Ping a mod and ask for PTE access
dawn widget
community server? Usually through their discord
Official server? Don't believe y...
T17 support for official servers
normal pike
Oh cool
glad pasture
Where can I find the information for joinging the update 11 PTE?
Check now ensure you also download the P.T.E. in STEAM
brazen shard
spiral furnace
hello, new here
glad pasture
hello, new here
snow notch
PC player here. Can I please get access to PTE area to join Tuesday? @glad pasture
slim fractal
And then we wonder why PTE servers are empty if all the new players are prevented access & information about it 🤔
glad pasture
PC player here. Can I please get access to PTE area to join Tuesday? <@206122592...
Check now
gloomy grove
And then we wonder why PTE servers are empty if all the new players are prevente...
We haven't had a PTE since the segregation happened
gloomy grove
Did we? Missed it if so
gloomy grove
Ahh possibly. I think that's more due to what was being tested
There was nothing new. Most people do not want to smoke test a patch
They're happy to play with new toys though
glad pasture
If there are any New P.C. members here who wish to participate in next **Tuesday 2nd November P.T.E. Test **ping me and I can assist you.
dense surge
If there are any **New P.C. members** here who wish to participate in next **Tue...
whats a pte test?
trail pond
^ ?
glad pasture
whats a pte test?
Public Test Environment where we TEST out the New updates and patches before they are released in an update DLC . This is done on TEST servers.
dense surge
Ah okay. Are there requirements to partake in that?
glad pasture
Ah okay. Are there requirements to partake in that?
This is for P.C. members only do you wish to participate ?
vital trail
i would like to sir i have wanting half tracks for a long time
dense surge
not this time, ive got plans on the second
maybe if you guys have another test in the future
glad pasture
i would like to sir i have wanting half tracks for a long time
Done please download the PTE Test in STEAM
distant rain
Hello
glad pasture
Servers will go live on TUESDAY 2nd November 2021.
steady night
anyone know why no servers pop up when i search
warm ingot
If there are any **New P.C. members** here who wish to participate in next **Tue...
Can I please?
warm knot
anyone know why no servers pop up when i search
make sure you're using the regular version of the game and not the PTE
steady night
damn, im an idiot. i installed the wrong one
warm knot
damn, im an idiot. i installed the wrong one
don't beat yourself up over that, it happens more often than you think
slim fractal
damn, im an idiot. i installed the wrong one
Did you install or was it autoinstalled? Im conducting a research.
tropic canyon
so what do the Pumpkins do? 
dawn widget
Did you install or was it autoinstalled? Im conducting a research.
I just got the game yesterday and PTE autoinstalled
slim fractal
I just got the game yesterday and PTE autoinstalled
Out of curiosity, where did you obtain the game? From Steam store or another digital platform?
gleaming cargo
@glad pasture hey gamer i'd like to participate
normal pasture
dawn widget
Out of curiosity, where did you obtain the game? From Steam store or another dig...
From steam 👍
glad pasture
Can I please?
Done, please download the PTE from STEAM ready for Tuesday 2nd November 2021
glad pasture
<@!206122592753549323> hey gamer i'd like to participate
As above download the PTE from STEAM.
exotic roost
could I get a whitelist as well
glad pasture
could I get a whitelist as well
Your ready again as above please download the PTE from STEAM ready for Tuesday
exotic roost
oh ok thank you
glad pasture
@gleaming cargo @exotic roost Servers do not go live until Tuesday the 2nd.
gleaming cargo
alrighty
native furnace
yo I know this is a fair bit off topic but as far as ive seen people have made the comparison time and time again;
Im thinking of getting Squad and im wondering if ill enjoy it, considering I do like HLL
just wondering what the situation is in terms of match length and enjoyability compared to HLL, if anyone here plays both games
slim fractal
yo I know this is a fair bit off topic but as far as ive seen people have made t...
Like you said, that is getting off-topic and there is #off-topic-mess-hall for it
native furnace
oh ye true actually 😅
meager mango
So when are Halftracks coming to console
glad pasture
So when are Halftracks coming to console
Once they are fully tested on P.C. for Update 11 eventually, they will be ported across for our Console members PS5 / Xbox more information to follow.
flat loom
any solution to gained levels not saving?
glad pasture
any solution to gained levels not saving?
The dev team are aware of this and working on a solution / fix asap.
dense surge
whats the difference between offensive and warfare? ive only played warfare so from what i understand its like a tug of war but what about offensive?
slow spruce
Offensive is like Battlefield’s breakthrough mode. one team attacks, one team defends. once an objective is captured, it’s captured permanently
shell thistle
Pp
chilly meteor
should i cop?
native furnace
should i cop?
flip a coin, if ur not happy about the outcome then you already know your true answer
granite cedar
I swear it seems like exlusively level 0-10 play recon & spotter, ofc with no mic as well.
native furnace
I swear it seems like exlusively level 0-10 play recon & spotter, ofc with no mi...
learning curve, newbies prioritize their optics over anything else
then theyll learn that it can be way more fun to play a role other than sniper
tough sky
Is there a way to cancel the bolt action 1-by-1 reload?
subtle lance
Like you said, that is getting off-topic and there is <#413884910181285889> for ...
how you even get in there
ohh you need to be in supporter mess hall
warm knot
Is there a way to cancel the bolt action 1-by-1 reload?
mash the fire button
slim fractal
how you even get in there
#enlist_off-topic works for this channel too when you type .Iagree
late vigil
hi guys anyone here that wants to play ?
still vault
I swear it seems like exlusively level 0-10 play recon & spotter, ofc with no mi...
New guys with SSDs, man.
inner sage
-shrug- its honestly the least effecive way to win the war, i mean its cool and all being a sniper dude and his bro, but to win ZHE WAR. you want basically anything else usually. i mean what a spotter and sniper can do, so can one dude in an armored car that driver over and shoots the arty dudes in the face and then drives off while cackeling with laughter.
mystic stump
There's certainly a use-case for recon that tanks/armored vehicles can't effectively fill. Recon use is just that, recon. Yes, sniping is definitely a large part of it, but their purpose is first and foremost to sniff out enemy positions, report on actions in enemy HQs, and things like that. If you have a recon squad that is doing that and sniping enemies, your team is so much better off. And the reason tanks obviously can't do what Recon (either in a vehicle or on foot) can is that they are loud, noisy, and vulnerable to AT in the places where one well placed, stealthy Recon crew could go with no problem.
I'd say that one recon squad should be doing mainly recon and the other should be holding down a flank and updating command and everyone as to development there.
But suffice to say, recon is useful for a lot more than just sniping, and the reason it seems particularly useless to some people is because most recon squads don't do any recon lol.
dawn widget
@glad pasture Please could I have the PC badge added alongside PS5?
And the Xbox badge removed I guess (although I still have a couple of hours of that trial left)
Juggling my loadout ahead of tomorrow’s PTE 
Blimey, 25 odd GB on PC too, like Xbox. Compared to 8GB on PS5. Kraken is pretty cool.
regal spear
Looking for an English speaking European Regiment for me and possibly a few pals of mine! Any reccomendations?
glad pasture
<@206122592753549323> Please could I have the PC badge added alongside PS5?
And...
Sorted
glad pasture
Looking for an English speaking European Regiment for me and possibly a few pals...
Check here in #pc-divisions-recruitment / #pc-looking-for-unit
rough harbor
Looking for groups to play with on Xbox who play properly and don’t run around like headless chickens? Xbox gamer tag is Blackstar9065
prime quartz
Recon is a weird squad
ideally the sniper i sjust off killing people while the RSL is playing Commandos
RSL has the power to remove rear area garrisons, nodes, and spawn camp HQ
especially with smart OP placement
while the sniper has, hands down, the best single infantry gun in the game and a good sniper can outpace armor crews
so should be focued on the active objectives where the highest concentration of enemy players are at
killing players is not as a good as killing spawn points. But a dead palyer is still making it easier for other people on your team to do their job
and its a far better use of the sniper than following the RSL around
tropic flume
If there are any **New P.C. members** here who wish to participate in next **Tue...
I have downloaded the separate testing server game anything else I need to participate?
old garnet
what are the times for the test server?
old garnet
damn i'll probably still be at work\
violet garden
strange bone
dude i love this game
old garnet
so how do i want to aim the anti tank rifle for infantry?
i couldn't even hit dudes like 50 feet away
uncut jasper
Aim up really high and pray the rocket will hit
glad pasture
I have downloaded the separate testing server game anything else I need to parti...
Sorted
tropic flume
ty
zealous estuary
perhaps
uncut jasper
the russian anti tank rifle
Same thing. Drop is extreme and it’s pretty hard to consistently hit infantry to begin with. You have to watch for splashes and adjust. You’ll know you hit if the body bounces or gibs
tulip flicker
hey guys, how do i build stuff as anti tank? idont have a wrench or hammer
native furnace
hey guys, how do i build stuff as anti tank? idont have a wrench or hammer
second loadout carries a hammer, third loadout I believe carries a wrench as well as a hammer
dawn widget
How many recon squad can exist in a team? Only 2?
gloomy grove
How many recon squad can exist in a team? Only 2?
Correct
inner sage
Aim up really high and pray the rocket will hit
take the space of the retical, and image that space below the curret reticle, for every 100 meters. so at 200 meters its the one you have plus one imaginary, for 300, two you have to imagine. beyond 300 i havent found a good way to hit with a rocket yet.
but to be fair as a frequent tank player i dont mind not gettign sniped by AT from long distances
mystic stump
bruh one of the devs got covid
What? lol
The only delay I've heard about is the PTE launch.
tidal yarrow
marble charm
W o t
mystic stump
Yeah, probably better not to make a totally unfounded claim like that.
burnt thistle
what exactly is the point of the medic with a pistol? completely useless
mystic stump
To kill enemies, of course.
In all seriousness, I'm not sure.
I think the idea is that the medic is necessarily CQC, and a pistol might work better in that role for some.
burnt thistle
but most of the maps are open fields..
prime quartz
nmedic is a roleplay class
mystic stump
Yeah, but the rationale is the medic will only really be supporting, staying back so that they don't get killed and leave their squad without a medic. So for those that want to fulfill that role as a CQC support class, a pistol is useful to them, maybe? Sometimes I'd rather have a side arm for CQC fighting than a rifle, personally. So it might be designed for people who feel the same way.
prime quartz
so they have loadouts to have "fun" with
but are intentionally useful
the basic medic class is the best and medic itself is one of the most questionable classes from a utility POV
mystic stump
Medic can be pretty darn useful if used right. And using them right means not dying but being close enough to pick up your squad mates.
And, if need be, kill enemies in the process of picking up your squad mates.
Again, it's a support role. I think it's refreshing compared to something like BFV, where Medics are just another version of the assault role with SMGs.
silk eagle
the basic medic class is the best and medic itself is one of the most questionab...
Really?? Medics in my squad are one of the most vital aspects of the gameplay. We can revive our own team and others around - this is particularly good when the squad is pushing a flank alone or assaulting / defending an SP. Being able to respawn at an OP is one thing, but a medic is faster and you retain control of the the location…
Medics are key players.
mystic stump
Really?? Medics in my squad are one of the most vital aspects of the gameplay. W...
Exactly.
Medics are extremely useful, I think people who don't think so haven't witnessed the full potential of the class.
prime quartz
Really?? Medics in my squad are one of the most vital aspects of the gameplay. W...
i kick medics from my squad
OPs are much better
prime quartz
in a given squad a medic 1/6th of your combat power
well possible
right
so no medics and only OPs
Ops have a spawn of 11s min to 30s max
- transit. With good OP its almost always better than waiting for a medic
and your squad will ahve more flexibility/combat power with the medic playing a real class
tall orchid
but I dont even use any
what's your steamid?
tall orchid
that's a drag. hacking is usually a permaban
a temp means it might be something else, or they have a tiered system for hacking
dawn widget
idk what happened I was playing fine since I got this game a few days ago
then suddenly I get banned. I dont even get high kills im ass at the game lol
fading star
Any other games you may cheat on ?
tall orchid
might reach out to EAC to see what happened
dawn widget
nope I dont cheat on multiplayer games
only got trainers for singleplayer games like re village
tall orchid
possible thats what triggered it
fading star
^
tall orchid
sometimes EAC casts too wide a net
fading star
EasyAntiCheat scans your PC for " interesting " files each time you boot a game that supports it
dawn widget
thats so stupid if thats really the case cause its legit just a trainer for an offline based game
tall orchid
easy enough to email them and ask whats up
dawn widget
I did send them an email but another guy said the devs can help out so im trying my luck here
tall orchid
if its a legit error they'll reverse it and build in an exception
doubt the devs could help - EAC is third-party, blackmatter doesn't have much interaction with it
dawn widget
ok thanks for the replies anyways guys guess ill just wait for EAC to reply
so frustrating tho I love this game lol
tall orchid
yeah sorry mate, i know its irritating
happened to me in BF5, got banned by fairfight cause i had an amazing round in a zero
fading star
that's admin ban Harmonic
dawn widget
yeah but I dont get amazing rounds in this game enough to be considered a hacker lol.
fading star
Fairfight can't autoban you for being " good "
dawn widget
rip my nightly HLL fun time
fading star
Were you playing on a community server or an official one ?
tall orchid
i have no idea, this was years ago when BF5 first launched
signal harness
yeah if you were good with the helicopter in BF3 you were unstoppable
infinite K/D
tall orchid
littlebird facefucking
quiet ember
i loved flying in an attack heli
strange mountain
Hello hello, I am new here. I'm glad to be here in this community!
viscid pagoda
Anybody want to play with a total noob who has no idea what they're doing other than being an idiot me, I'm the idiot
autumn rose
if it makes you feel any better I have 500 hours and I still suck
dark smelt
solid vale
@dark smelt Can't touch that with a 10 foot pole nowadays. No comment.
Anyone ever have a severe allergic reaction? Had my first, that sucked. ER 4 hours.
barren stirrup
if it makes you feel any better I have 500 hours and I still suck
Cool, so I have another 400 hours of still sucking to go…
dim pulsar
Stop sucking
solid vale
@dim pulsar just like fighting games, just don't get hit, ez game then
late vigil
anyone up for some games ?
desert condor
Is the public testing over or am I just missing something?
warm jacinth
hasnt started yet
desert condor
That could be a potential issue yes....
mystic stump
Yup, yet to be released. It's only morning so I'd expect it to come out a bit later, perhaps? Again, they said they it's tentatively scheduled for today, so it's possible they might need more time.
agile ginkgo
Where do bug reports for U11 go?
tall orchid
glad pasture
What is the Best Role for New Players? - Hell Let Loose https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axmXofTXr2k
tall orchid
a 9 minute video with 8 minutes and 50 seconds of advertising algorithm filler, lol
drowsy kettle
is this seriously a HLL discord with 18,000 online, and not a single person is playing HLL ?
mystic stump
pretty sure people just have the game status thingy turned off
bronze sundial
yeah, and even then im not playing ALL the time...
reef forge
Pretty new to the game but want to start learning how to play better in a squad. DM me!
gloomy grove
is this seriously a HLL discord with 18,000 online, and not a single person is p...
Seems like a few people are probably playing
thorny peak
do you get any xp if you leave a game?
shit. so basically i have to block out an entire 90 minutes for every match in order to advance?
modern rampart
do you get any xp if you leave a game?
Yes, you do.
The only thing you miss out on are potential commendations and end-of-round bonuses, if you leave early.
hazy zinc
can someone explain why sometimes i randomly die and get punished
like i was running through a trench then i explode and die and get punished
slim fractal
can someone explain why sometimes i randomly die and get punished
You have teamkilled someone. 1 teamkill = 1 punish = +10s spawn delay.
hazy zinc
i didnt team kill anyone
slim fractal
Clearly you have 🤷
hazy zinc
there wasnt even anyone close to me
hazy zinc
that doesnt explain why i randomly died
hazy zinc
when you tk someone doesnt it show a message?
slim fractal
Yup
hazy zinc
it didnt show anything
slim fractal
How do you know if you missed it. Happens to anyone.
hazy zinc
also i was engineer so it couldnt have been a nade
slim fractal
Second option is that admin killed you with a punish command.
You can TK with anything. Mines. Shooting. Satchel. Anything.
hazy zinc
yeah but i think friendlies cant trigger them right?
drowsy kettle
man i love walking for 15 minutes then getting shot from behind
slim fractal
No but if they stand next to it when it blows up, they will die.
And you get a TK penalty.
slim fractal
That message is more clear than TK message.
So if you did not see admin kill message, it wasnt that.
Easier to miss a TK message.
hazy zinc
yeah there wasnt any message at all on the punish screen
slim fractal
And how many punishes was counted?
hazy zinc
only 1
slim fractal
Then it is just single TK at some point during your life. End of story.
hazy zinc
hard to believe in that, i spawned then headed directly through the point
slim fractal
If you can't sleep at nights because of this, you can always ask your logs from the server admins 😄
hazy zinc
haha not shit man i play before bed and sometimes dream about it
like im in some field in france fighting with the boys
last week i dreamt i had been hit by a grenade it was scary af haha
slim fractal
3000hrs in HLL, I live and breath HLL too.
native furnace
man i love walking for 15 minutes then getting shot from behind
if you're walking for 15 minutes then your team has the most dogshit spawn point set up
thorny peak
The only thing you miss out on are potential commendations and end-of-round bonu...
Ok cool. I really like this game but I don’t have 90 straight minutes of free time very often. I would like to be able to drop in, help the team and then leave when I need to.
vale trout
not sure ill stick with the game much longer. most people dnt put respawn beacons let alne garrisons
fucktards have had long enough to learn how to play- it isnt hard to figure out
next oasis
play with friends. seriously.
don't rely on randoms.
autumn rose
A single good squad in discord can recover games, not even a joke
sweet lichen
Anyone know if you can change your name in hll or it gotta be in steam
prime quartz
stem
slim fractal
A single good squad in discord can recover games, not even a joke
Doesnt even have to be a Discord squad. I joined a game on the losing team 1-4 after 20 minutes in Carentan. Saw a squad without officer, joined that, checked up on everyone and started playing with randoms. Refreshing experience. Eventually won 4-1 and our squad did all the critical moves in all the captures.
thorny peak
fucktards have had long enough to learn how to play- it isnt hard to figure out
Counterpoint, I’ve got 3 games under my belt so far. There are still new players coming in that don’t know how the game works yet.
I’m still googling shit during matches
slim fractal
I’m still googling shit during matches
Interesting approach.
thorny peak
Interesting approach.
Gotta learn somehow and the games are too long to wait till the end.
slim fractal
Cant ask anyone in-game? What is it you are googling?
thorny peak
Cant ask anyone in-game? What is it you are googling?
Oh I do that too, but they don’t always know.
For instance, today I was trying to ping a tank as an engineer and my sl was like “use the tank ping” so I tried to pull up the ping radial and couldn’t. Sl didn’t know why it wasn’t working so I googled it. As you probably already know, engineer doesn’t get the ping radial.
thorny peak
Don’t be. If that was the worst thing to happen to me today(it was) then I’ve had a pretty good day.
autumn rose
Genius sl
When the lieutenant is confused why the enlisted were confused after he mentioned his personal on base kitchen
thorny peak
Oh I cut him some slack. He was communicating pretty well and you don’t get that all the time.
thorny peak
Which is more that I can say, I’m too scared of the responsibility right now.
native furnace
Which is more that I can say, I’m too scared of the responsibility right now.
thats totally fair man, Ive been playing for a while now and even I shy away from lead roles bar tank commander. You'll get the hang of things soon enough, and considering ur on console if you can learn to play SL then you can get the edge over the other team easily enough
thorny peak
thats totally fair man, Ive been playing for a while now and even I shy away fro...
I hope to get there one of these days!
drowsy moss
Commander is fairly easy if you have squads communicating just make sure to use final stand every 10 minutes generate all your resources and sometimes if you time it right you can get a resource free recon/bomb run.Other than that just support your squad leads get them supplies and don't drop airheads in the open lol
hardy cedar
play with friends. seriously.
don't rely on randoms.
thats quite a bad game design if you need to play it wirh friends to make it bearable
every game is much more enjoyable with people you know as with everything, but the basics with randoms should still be playable
prime quartz
you can also just not talk and play it like a normal shooter
which is what I usually do
plays best if you are an SL since you can control your own spawn/OP
next oasis
thats quite a bad game design if you need to play it wirh friends to make it bea...
The game is playable with randoms, though the concern is with your personal level of tolerance of the inherent randomness that comes with playing with strangers. If this randomness is what determines whether or not you are having an enjoyable experience, there is a clear alternative to solve it -by playing with friends.
worldly cipher
The Game is with Randoms and without Friends Fun too but with Friends its a different experience for sure. And dont play it like a BF or COD. Important is Team work. And look alot on the map to see how the situation is at all but if you have a good commander everything will be fine if not still have fun. This game is Gold!
gloomy grove
The game is playable with randoms, though the concern is with your personal leve...
Don't you mute everyone?
next oasis
Players within direct communication, yes. Whether I hear them or not doesn't make them any more knowledgeable about what they need to be doing, unfortunately.
hardy cedar
The game is playable with randoms, though the concern is with your personal leve...
i like the randomness of people, like irl war, you dont really get to pick who you fight with
signal harness
every game is much more enjoyable with people you know as with everything, but t...
The problem is that the game does very little to team or incentivize random players to play well together. Unfortunately, the task of teaching new players and placing spawns (i.e. winning games) falls on veteran players. Most of us are burnt out and would rather play with friends, than take on the weight of teaching game mechanics while simultaneously playing the game
dawn widget
i like the randomness of people, like irl war, you dont really get to pick who y...
I liked the randomness too the first few weeks. But in a real war your random colleagues have been trained a bit (I hope). Many games now involve the same repetitive problems. We’re tired of being the tutorial in nearly every single game
modern rampart
The problem is that the game does very little to team or incentivize random play...
And again I would argue that there are barely any reasons for newer-ish players to be so completely oblivious most of the time. It's not like any of the game's mechanics require you to be some sort of rocket scientist. It is quite a standard concept of spawns, classes etc. once you just pay attention a tiny bit.
signal harness
That said, I always keep my squad unlocked and will do my best to help a new player that actively what to learn and play
hardy cedar
I liked the randomness too the first few weeks. But in a real war your random co...
thats why i said that maybe a different approach to gameplay should be looked at
signal harness
And again I would argue that there are barely any reasons for newer-ish players ...
So I agree 100% that the game mechanics are not hard to grasp. Yet, I don't see any other explanation as to why so many player fail to grasp these concepts.
No more Dodo? 🦤 Gorillas in style now? 🦍 @modern rampart
modern rampart
No more Dodo? 🦤 Gorillas in style now? 🦍 <@!450360435498287145>
Holy shit....I didn't even know there were Dodo emojis. That's great. I went back to 🅱️ orilla yes, like previously. 
modern rampart
So I agree 100% that the game mechanics are not hard to grasp. Yet, I don't see ...
I believe it's a matter of either players not wanting to understand the game for various reasons or players thinking the game is extremely complex, so they don't even bother trying to look beneath the surface of mechanics.
I don't think it's necessarily solely the game's fault
though some weirdness in mechanics and the lack of a proper tutorial might add to that.
signal harness
Holy shit....I didn't even know there were Dodo emojis. That's great. I went bac...
Its all good! unfortunately, no rhinoceros emoji
modern rampart
We all learn something new every day. 😄
signal harness
for sure
hardy cedar
its a pretty simple game, see enemy shoot enemy, try not to be seen orelse you will be shot, do not look at tanks
lstick to the leader and remind h. about OP if he forgets
prime quartz
And again I would argue that there are barely any reasons for newer-ish players ...
what I find odder is experienced players who don't have a grasp on the game
modern rampart
what I find odder is experienced players who don't have a grasp on the game
For sure.
prime quartz
SOmething about the design of HLL actively prevents players from becoming better
modern rampart
I was talking about this some time ago but they seem to be more numerous
like...around the 80-150 level ballpark
prime quartz
I've often wondered if the floaty design of HLL creates a plateau in player competency that people cannot get past
dead horse time but playing Squad you see players developing strategies with each update and implementing "optimal play" and this happens with non-community players
HLL doesn't have that happen
prime quartz
Squad really didn't either during a lot of this. Although I guess there was always more of a tutorial than in HLL
hasty tinsel
what I find odder is experienced players who don't have a grasp on the game
Consider ao2
There are experienced players that can perpetually have an elo of 1000 the entire time they've played the game
Idk how common that is
dim pulsar
Plus the players are also retarded
prime quartz
AO2?
hasty tinsel
Aoe2
prime quartz
ah
dim pulsar
I think a lot of the dummies involved come from milsim, they play it realistically rather than playing the meta
hasty tinsel
I lost the chat
dim pulsar
The arcade fanbase has their share but arcade players always play by meta
prime quartz
What gets me is that Squad is factually more "milsim" than HLL is
hasty tinsel
Eh...
prime quartz
but the community is much more cut throat about competition
hasty tinsel
Players on their own don't care about meta
They care about getting to the action as quick as possible
dim pulsar
But the biggest disconnect is the attentiveness of what objectives they should be on once the battle dynamics shift, and i chalk that up to ppl being too lay to multitask
prime quartz
I look at the beginning of the round a lot
first 5 minutes
And literally every match people amss spawn in and half of them literally run 1,100 meters to the cap
dim pulsar
Brain too slow to think strategically in a fast paced game
prime quartz
In Squad every player barring the SLs would hold spawn
SLs would ride to the front and play Garrisons and OP and then players spawn in on cap
Even today, with a pre-round timer, players ask if they ought to hold spawn or not
dim pulsar
Cant bank on consistent strategy when player quality isnt consistent
prime quartz
yea
but it gets back to my perplexity about players not getting better
this shit has been happening literally for years
and no one has got it
dim pulsar
Dumb players gonna be dumb, smart players gonna strive to get better
Rich gwt richer and poor stays poor
prime quartz
so effectively like three quarters of teh HLL player base is hopeless
dim pulsar
Ye
hasty tinsel
The default position should be stale mate
And then combine arms breaks the stalemate.
Flanking with spawns and airheads is a bad solution to stalemate
dim pulsar
They have potential to get better, they just need someone to slap them in back of head everytime they do something dumb
prime quartz
i might try being a try hard SL later today and see what happens
i've been palying for kills for months now
dim pulsar
A good SL anticipates dumb squadmates and tailors their tactics around the squad
Op placement is key
prime quartz
Yea
hasty tinsel
Had a game on foy, where we took west bend from the Germans even though they had more tanks and arty to our one tank and no arty because we were able to pincer them
prime quartz
control through spawn placement
prime quartz
HLL is actually a really good mouse aim trainer
dim pulsar
But at the same time you shouldnt have to bear all the burden of placing spawns, its not right that you should sacrifice your fun so other can have it
Which is one of HLLs major problems
There is no way to distribute workload or enforce command
Poor team and squad management
Is why i dont play it so much anymore
Think ive gotten in like 2 or 3 games in a week
I also stopped being try hard when i do, it simply isnt fun.
Chum is right, just fuck all and go shoot
prime quartz
yea
I realized like 9 months ago or so that most of my playtime was being nurse maid to all the other players
dim pulsar
Just play offensive and take attacking side
Prob the least work, most fun
Die, respawn , attack singular objective
prime quartz
yea, offensive is good
doesn't get played enough
some reason most servers seem to run warfare
vocal saffron
some reason most servers seem to run warfare
It kills servers later in the evenings, thats prob why
strange mountain
I noticed a few servers that I've been in. They do not communicate at all.
Only text tho. At least for some but not mic.
dim pulsar
There is an inherent dislike for offensive mode that has built up over time, and ppl have become prejudicious about rotating to offensive maps ever since. But recent changes have made offensive mode much more fluid, intuitive and fun compared to warfare mode.
Its pure 50vs50, no splitting up between attacking squads and defending squads.
You dont have to worry too much about building garrisons unless you are defender.
tall orchid
ngl im fashionable as fuck with the nkvd cap
pairs really well with the uniform too
prime quartz
ngl im fashionable as fuck with the nkvd cap
obvious guy to shoot at though
btw, met you in-game
fervent shuttle
how does one get winter warfare DLC?
slim fractal
how does one get winter warfare DLC?
You wait for winter and for it to become available.
Summer DLC came out in September, so don't hold your breath for Winter DLC. My bet is it drops around March.
fervent shuttle
You wait for winter and for it to become available.
Who do you get twitch drops from? for the twitch drop items
dawn widget
How do I add friends?
slim fractal
Who do you get twitch drops from? for the twitch drop items
You don't. It's a scam. Don't ever pay anything for Twitch. Don't ever follow any streamer HLL promotes in Twitch 
silk eagle
in a given squad a medic 1/6th of your combat power
Alright dude, you do you.
tall orchid
btw, met you in-game
today?
prime quartz
ye
dim pulsar
was I blaring notorious big on top of a german bunker on smdm?
No shit, i was on the other team blastic tupac - hit em up
next oasis
who shot ya
dim pulsar
Vietnam SOG vet says you can spot the FNG by how they shoot, you should fire single shots to avoid being spotted
compact aurora
why does my screen get shakey and blury when im being neer or suppresed?
does that really happen irl????
dim pulsar
No
Maybe a little vacuum of pressure and wind if it misses near inches from you
The game just forces you to flinch, even though realistically your reaction would happen seconds after the fact, not a split second upon a bullet whizzing over
native furnace
why does my screen get shakey and blury when im being neer or suppresed?
some...artistic liberties have been taken for the sake of gameplay purposes 😁
sharp shale
has anyone figured out why servers will show 97/100 but still have a 5 person que?
mystic stump
has anyone figured out why servers will show 97/100 but still have a 5 person qu...
You're wondering why the three slots left to reach a hundred haven't been filled?
slim fractal
has anyone figured out why servers will show 97/100 but still have a 5 person qu...
Also observe VIP slots. If server has 3 VIP slots, it will show 97/100 and full queue untill VIPs fills those slots.
But also server browser refreshes badly.
sudden patio
i wanna have a set squad
meager mango
On console they should really remove the option to leave a game just by pressing B then A (Xbox Player). I’ve left so many games on accident because if it
🤣
Like right now
I just did it twice in a row on accident trying to leave a squad
open saddle
On console they should really remove the option to leave a game just by pressing...
It’s the same on PC. Go to redeploy….leave server instead
meager granite
distance is not my problem 🙂
prime quartz
my point was that it might be an instance where it feels cheap but it may just be some fuck off getting you from across the map
you might also be having issues with the camera being off
there aree a few positions where someone can peak you but you cannot see their head
@hasty tinsel #new-recruit-barracks message
One of my gunplay issues
you could ask Harmonic he is a server admin and will have a good idea if reports have increased or not
tall orchid
old garnet
Can we get recon motorcycles with a sidecar
next oasis
you could ask Harmonic he is a server admin and will have a good idea if reports...
I got banned there before because someone claimed "moving too fast and headshotting everyone".
It was overturned.
bronze sundial
has anyone figured out why servers will show 97/100 but still have a 5 person qu...
this is honestly one the FEW issues i have with this game. a server with 96 full, and 2/6 of its VIP slots full[assuming that means the last four slots are VIP only]. and have 6 people in queue should be listed as a FULL server. and be filtered out with over full servers in the enlist screen,
native furnace
they can be useful, but personally dont like them
and the AT loadout is being swapped around isnt it?
No more satchel 😢
tall orchid
I think they’re good
50 supplies for a gun that can kill everything but heavy tanks? 👌
pure vortex
Just got a Series S and thinking about getting HLL. Is it worth the 30 quid or should I wait a bit for bug fixes?
thin linden
Just got a Series S and thinking about getting HLL. Is it worth the 30 quid or s...
Its worth it
slim fractal
Just got a Series S and thinking about getting HLL. Is it worth the 30 quid or s...
Wait for it.
dawn widget
they're completely overpowered in certain circumstances
dawn widget
50 supplies for a gun that can kill everything but heavy tanks? 👌
it can kill heavy tanks if your aim is good
you can also kill medium tanks with the luchs
gloomy grove
it can kill heavy tanks if your aim is good
You're probably right. Harmonic is notoriously bad at the game with zero knowledge
You can kill an IS1 from the front if you know what you're doing and you're angled about 10° or more. 75, 76 and Tiger can't be penned in the front
The AT gun can just pen like regular medium tank. So it'll pen the side and rear
mystic stump
you can also kill medium tanks with the luchs
How? I'm actually curious because my understanding was that the Luchs can only kills enemy recon tanks & the Stuart.
It has it's own unique penetration tier in the Tankopedia under "thin", and my impression is that this was tested and compiled after U10 came out, so it should be fully accurate. I also haven't ever experienced this in a Luchs or fighting against a Luchs with Medium to Heavy tanks.
dawn widget
How? I'm actually curious because my understanding was that the Luchs can only k...
I've destroyed a t34 with the luchs
took a lot of shots at the tracks and the side in general
i dont think a luchs can do anything to a heavy tank
but it can definitely destroy a t34
gloomy grove
Video evidence?
dawn widget
I dont record
solar kite
Pics or it didnt happen
gloomy grove
Exactly
fringe berry
I wish we got full controller support on pc like vibration
gloomy grove
I wish we got full controller support on pc like vibration
More options are coming in U11 so possibly then. Check the PTE for the options
solid vale
Is there a max per vehicle count? If all vehicles are destroyed can you just spawn up like 6 recon tanks and no trucks?
granite cedar
Just went into 4 straight lobbies with squad chat not working lol. Despite closing app, and even restarting console.
Trying to coordinate with blueberries in prox. Been interesting
mystic stump
but it can definitely destroy a t34
Was this recently or?.. Again, a Luchs shouldn't be able to kill anything besides enemy recon tanks and the Stuart after the armor overhaul.
drowsy kettle
game devs- you should add crossplatform for pc and ps5. it would connect the communities and greatly increase player count. im just worried that the ps5 port will die out like Verdun on the ps4. just an idea lol
next oasis
Crossplay with PC players would kill it even faster lmao
drowsy kettle
whys that
next oasis
There is such a big difference in how aiming controls on sticks vs a mouse.
Both versions of the games are identical on paper, but the difference in the level of control a player has with their aiming makes them a very different experience.
mystic stump
Yeah, unfortunately PC-console crossplay is something that even big FPS developers don't bother with. Go ahead and name one multiplayer FPS with PC-Console crossplay; I can't think of any. It's a far more complicated task than you'd think at first sight. It's not just about making servers that connect PC & console, you also have to figure out how to balance the game effectively after that is done; and the fact that no one has bothered seems to mean you simply can't.
And I'm sure most people would much rather have the devs focus on just making content updates and not go on a wild goose chase to establish a PC-Console crossplay system; for really no apparent reason other than the console port would be worse off with it. Supposedly, anyway. Again, I don't think this is something that can be balanced effectively for a tactical FPS. As others have attested, there's a hard cap to what you can do with a controller compared to mouse & keyboard, and console players would be at a massive disadvantage. And so, it would likely be more detrimental to the console ports than helpful.
Maintaining parity between PC & console is more than enough.
uncut jasper
Yeah, unfortunately PC-console crossplay is something that even big FPS develope...
The last three CoDs
next oasis
The end result is that you'd have unhappy players from both sides, from both platforms.
PC players wouldn't be satisfied with having to play with/against console players with aim-assist
Console players would be overwhelmingly out-aimed by mouse users
Both parties lose
granite cedar
The last three CoDs
And the last 3 cods were already trash games, made worse by the crossplay
uncut jasper
And the last 3 cods were already trash games, made worse by the crossplay
Not talking about the quality of them, just noting they have crossplay
mystic stump
The last three CoDs
OK, moreso I meant a game with PC-console crossplay that isn't inherently unfair for console players.
uncut jasper
Controller and KB+M are pretty dead even in CoD in most situations, not gonna lie.
granite cedar
Also CoD is an ARCADE shooter, that relies on reflexes more than precision. PC players would stomp those with controllers easily.
uncut jasper
Literally has nothing to do with what was being said
signal harness
OK, moreso I meant a game with PC-console crossplay that *isn't* inherently unf...
Any game that plays better with a controller. Dark Souls maybe, FPS nope.
mystic stump
Yea.. Dark Souls isn't an FPS, though.
next oasis
HLL doesn't demand precision. It requires less precision than CoD, and HLL is much more centered around "who-sees-who-first" than CoD EVER has been
mystic stump
That's the problem, when you bring aiming and FPS into the equation, PC-Console crossplay becomes untenable for everyone.
granite cedar
Yuri we're talking about why pc crossplay wouldn't work on HLL. You mentioned CoD, saying that they've done it the past 3 games. I telling you that you can't even compare the too, and giving you reasoning as to why crossplay with PC would be a deathblow to console HLL. Has everything to do with this discussion.
mystic stump
Yeah, it's alright man. No need to get up in arms. I should've been more specific.
granite cedar
HLL doesn't demand precision. It requires less precision than CoD, and HLL is m...
I've had the complete opposite experience then I guess. Don't recall trying the headshot a pixel at 250m in CoD.
mystic stump
I wanted to ask if anyone could name a FPS game with PC-Console crossplay that doesn't suffer from inherent imbalances, sorry for not being specific in that question.
uncut jasper
Can't compare the two, they're both point and click at the end of the day. CoD just requires more bullets. I also never said that HLL should be PC/console crossplay
Literally going so far out of context here
granite cedar
Didn't mean to take you out of context, my bad.
next oasis
In nearly every in-game situation, HLL doesn't demand precision more than "just hit this guy anywhere ONCE and he'll go down".
drowsy kettle
idk, it was just a thought. better to have cross play then have the game enviably die
uncut jasper
HLL would be bad for crossplay, I absolutely agree. All I was saying is that CoD has had crossplay for three titles now.
grizzled jetty
This game is sick! Greetings!
uncut jasper
If this game had, say... deeper gunplay, I could see crossplay not being such a bad idea
grizzled jetty
It's certainly rough on console, but nothing support classes and medics can't handle. I'm just happy to help PTFO
signal harness
Gunplay
grizzled jetty
Idk, I got 7 kills my first round
uncut jasper
Imagine not dying in one bullet from 200m and instead having a chance to reposition or fight back
That gap closes somewhat
next oasis
I think when most people ask for "deeper" gunplay, they mean "less binary" gunplay (as it relates to damage inflicted)
They just don't know it
grizzled jetty
Idk. I play a lot of dayz so I'm used to punishing gameplay. 200 meters is better than the 7 kilometers I'm used to
uncut jasper
Let TWI handle the gunplay pl0x
signal harness
Gunplay is two things: (1) weapon handling/characteristics, and (2) the damage model
drowsy kettle
damage range should change, its odd that you get hit by a mg42 from like 300m and instantly die... it should almost kill you, giving you a chance to bandage up. that what i would do as a dev
grizzled jetty
I play a lot of crossplay stuff and usually only fudge it up in melee situations
drowsy kettle
it could work
uncut jasper
Melee in this game is just awful, don't worry about it
grizzled jetty
Mg42 fires an 8mm round... that can take your leg off below the knee easily
mystic stump
But the MG is so far awaaay, that must mean something right?
drowsy kettle
yeah,but it IS a video game
mystic stump
/ s
grizzled jetty
Keep in mind the 8mm round was designed to punch through 7 rows of french troops, back in ww1.
mystic stump
It's a war game, you're not expected to survive, let alone to an MG.
uncut jasper
There's a balance between realism and fun
drowsy kettle
and bullet velocity dramatically drops at 300m
uncut jasper
A game should be fun, first
grizzled jetty
when they still marched in file into battle
signal harness
damage range should change, its odd that you get hit by a mg42 from like 300m an...
pretty sure the MG42 is not OHK at that range
grizzled jetty
I like it. It keeps you aware. Iron sharpens iron, as they say
prime quartz
MGs are like 2hk or something
mystic stump
pretty sure the MG42 is not OHK at that range
Yeah, that too.
signal harness
MGs are like 2hk or something
always right?
prime quartz
I think so?
grizzled jetty
Mg42 has an effective range of 800m
mystic stump
Sounds about right.
prime quartz
i've never bothered to test it since you fire so many rounds but I have seen single hits not kill
uncut jasper
This isn't a realistic game by any stretch of the imagination
prime quartz
There's a balance between realism and fun
The current setup is not at all realistic
grizzled jetty
And that alone shows it's already nerfed, tbf.
mystic stump
Yeah. Let's put it like this, whether or not the MG42 takes more shots to kill you, you'd probably still get mowed down.
prime quartz
There are some edge cases where you will live but eh
mystic stump
A good MG fires enough shots to ensure suppression or a downed target.
prime quartz
a big part of why crossplay would be a disaster is that PC players can see farther and can more quickly get a single shot on target
drowsy kettle
fast reloads would be cool, like double tapping the r key and just throwing the mag instead of putting it away
granite cedar
Render distance on pc would def be a massive advantage
mystic stump
fast reloads would be cool, like double tapping the r key and just throwing the ...
That's something '83 is gonna have. "Tactical reload".
next oasis
The MGs "issue" is that there's basically no reason to use it as you would traditionally think an MG is used.
There is no reason to ever shoot more than single shots at a time.
You deliberately put yourself at a disadvantage when you use an MG "like an MG"
uncut jasper
fast reloads would be cool, like double tapping the r key and just throwing the ...
Well you reload from a pool of ammo, not mags
drowsy kettle
just tune the ps5 to focus on render distance and image clarity...
prime quartz
that wouldn't work
Most players don't have the means to gain benefit from it
4k monitor will usually beat a 4k tv in visual clarity
mystic stump
Again, there's a hard limit to how a console player can aim.
prime quartz
combine that with a mouse being far better for aim
i guess you could play on a 4k monitor or properly setup a 4k tv
but you'd still be stuck with an input device that is qualitatively worse
next oasis
Give me ONE video showcasing an HLL player on console trying to compensate for full auto recoil on any gun that has full auto.
It is extremely easy to do on PC, but I've yet to see it done on console
prime quartz
Mg42 fires an 8mm round... that can take your leg off below the knee easily
this is one of the dumber thing i've read in a while
mystic stump
TBH, I wouldn't mind seeing actual ammo simulation and tactical reloads like in '83 for HLL. But I doubt it's something anywhere on the dev's priorities list. They likely would have had that established as a game system from the beginning if it was in the plans.
prime quartz
part of the problem is that the game doesn't play in a way that supports that
if you made gunplay more difficult then it might have a place
well at least I don't think it'd make a huge diff given the basics of the system
next oasis
HLL isn't an intimate shooter. It doesn't warrant that sort of consideration
It is unnecessary complication
mystic stump
The thing is, this system would fundamentally change gunplay. Not sure if it's perfect for HLL, but it's interesting to ponder.
uncut jasper
They barely figured out how fast they want bolt-actions to cycle, homie
mystic stump
oof
drowsy kettle
belt fed german mgs would be sick... you cant hip fire BUT you run around with a 100 round box and you place it down and fire for max suppression. also the support class could help the mg guy reload faster...
grizzled jetty
this is one of the dumber thing i've read in a while
Dumb yes. False? Not really.
next oasis
Oh nooo I can only OHK 4 people with this mag now, noooo
prime quartz
Dumb yes. False? Not really.
it is false
you'd need like 6+ 7.92mm rounds across the knee to disconnect it from the upper leg
grizzled jetty
I've seen what a mauser rifle does to a doe.
prime quartz
wowowo
grizzled jetty
It's bad.
prime quartz
lol
uncut jasper
Why would you want a cartridge that would dismember people yet also can pen like seven dudes
You can't have both
prime quartz
because he is making it up
grizzled jetty
Ok
prime quartz
its all part of some tacticool fantasy he has
uncut jasper
It literally wouldn't keep the kinetic energy to pen multiple people if it dismembers a leg
uncut jasper
mystic stump
They barely figured out how fast they want bolt-actions to cycle, homie
That's something I do actually mind a bit. Out of the games which have bolt action weaponry, HLL lacks behind. Verdun's bolt actions are better for overall gunplay, for example. RO series, as well, even RS2.