new-recruit-barracks

[atomic dawn]

Yeah i understand that, hopefully we would get an infantry only map, even only for offensive mode, with more interiors that would encourage that type gameplay

[prime quartz]

also the Red Orchestra 2 mapping team spent like 3 months in Stalingrad (Volgograd) and were some of the first westerns to enter the Grain Elevator, iirc

[warm knot]

hopefully we would get an infantry only map
again, probably hardcoded into the game so probably not possible

not like they'd want to have that in the first place

[prime quartz]

RO2 is just a very very impressive game when you look at the work they did for the battle

[abstract fern]

hey i need team to play with dm ps5 its just me i do any job

[prime quartz]

also all the technical work they did

iirc they had facial animations for all the voice lines setup to go and this is in UE3

its sort of wild

but anyway the HLL maps use high res photos and are generally close but they are not 1:1

[torn prairie]

Check out #console-looking-for-unit bud! You may have some success there 🙂

Or #console-divisions-recruitment if youre looking to join a wider community!

[hardy cedar]

one cannot hardcode it if they have acces tp the engine code lol

[torpid yew]

average gamer looking for a squad on pc going to try too get into this game, love what ive seen so far

[atomic dawn]

Check out #pc-looking-for-unit and if you want to join a community - #pc-divisions-recruitment

[weary shale]

Want to start a game?

[weary shale]

Wanna run? booting up the game now

[sweet saddle]

Just joined an offensive match where squad leads thought the four squares around the objective count towards capture

This game really needs a 10 second reminder at the beginning of every match depending on warfare or offensive modes

[granite cedar]

Is foy and purple heart lane even in ps5 version? I've played about 20 matches and still haven't seen them

[neon finch]

Purple Heart Lane is pain.

[tall orchid]

favorite map

I could write a wholeass essay on how great it is

[granite cedar]

I swear only maps I get into are utah and omaha. Anyone else having this issue on ps5

[neon finch]

No, but I'm on PC

[granite cedar]

My bad should have specified.

[neon finch]

Is there even a server browser on console?

[dawn widget]

This game is honestly everything I’ve asked for in a fps

I’m really digging into the game and I want others too as well

Can’t wait to enter the battle field next!

[warm knot]

[granite cedar]

No browser on console. And oh wow, omaha beach again lol

[warm knot]

the console experience™️

[river fable]

Trying to find a German only tank driver, im a Canadian Afghanistan veteran that crew commands and my buddy is american Iraq veteran that guns, looking for a few other folks that would be interested in driving, doesnt matter if your a civi or vet.

[sand raptor]

Are there any servers that are known for being new player friendly? Similarly, how do I go about finding a squad or leader that would be willing to help me figure some of this game out?

[proven sundial]

Hey guys

[native furnace]

aw man ur all goods, I dont think theres any such specific server or clan that wouldnt be happy to show a new guy the ropes. (Unless they''ve otherwise stated theyre pro). Even in regular random matches you'll probably find a fair few guys who will give you the run down.

[sand raptor]

Thanks. Maybe I've just had some bad luck. The few matches I've played have been quiet on comms, so I end up running around not know what to do haha

[weary shale]

Im looking for something similiar. want to squad up?

[sand raptor]

Were you looking to play right now?

[valid briar]

im fairly new but i play often im happy to run some games with yas

[weary shale]

yes

[native furnace]

ah yeah I hear you on that, give it some time and a bit of luck. If you want to learn tanking then generally chances are much more people use mics.

Also as for a bit of learning outside of the game id recommend Monospacial on youtube, hes pretty much the go-to for HLL advice 😁

[sand raptor]

Thanks I'll check him out.

[hidden bison]

@granite cedar yes they are. And I am on the PS5

[granite cedar]

Damn. I haven't seen them once wtf...

[novel wagon]

Seen what?

[quasi badge]

So I know that having a medic nearby reduces supression, but what other little mechanics are there that aren't well known?

[torn prairie]

Distance from your SL also reduces or increases suppression

[tall orchid]

discord.gg/glows

swing by and say hi

[tall orchid]

a loader can move an arty gun or AT gun beyond the +/- 15 degree transverse

[quasi badge]

no way, nice.

Gimme more.

This information needs to be shared.

[torn prairie]

Check out @analog rover on youtube - he did a very nice video on suppression

👋 ❤️

[atomic dawn]

when somebody bandages you, you get points too

[indigo reef]

is there like some server where you can practice shooting,I have 100 hrs and I am terrible at combat

[glad pasture]

Check here in #hll-guides / #hll-videos plenty on instructional videos. are you pc or console ?

[indigo reef]

pc

[tidal yarrow]

Just bad aim or not knowing how to engage or all of the above?

[indigo reef]

more like bad aim and poor spotting

[tidal yarrow]

Gotcha. What kinda mouse are you working with? :)

[indigo reef]

this one https://iponcomp.hr/shop/proizvod/white-shark-gc-4102-comanche-2-madarski-combo-crno/1867707

[tidal yarrow]

Hmm. Not familiar with that one. Seems decent enough. I'd probably set the DPI to 800 and then keep the in-game sensitivity a bit low.

You want to be able to make quick 180 degree turns

But also be able to place your "crosshair" on a target and shoot

There's a really good free game called Aim lab you might want to pick up on Steam

It has drills you can do that help improve your aim and it'll even tell you what you are doing well or not so well

Also, one way to "calibrate" sensitivity that has served me well for around 20 years, is to take your mouse and move it from the left side of your mousepad all the way to the right in-game. You want to make sure you can do 1 to 1.5 circles

That's generally the sweet spot

[tidal yarrow]

Hope that helps 😃

[hollow fox]

hello anyone here rn?

i would like to ask if theres any plans for full implementation of linux EAC 🙂

[warm knot]

could I get back into supporters mess hall please?

[modern rampart]

Hah

[gloomy grove]

What happened?!

[warm knot]

little mishap in #off-topic-mess-hall

all deleted now of course

[gloomy grove]

Oooft

[tall orchid]

lol what did you do

[warm knot]

one sentence about the 2nd amendment and some stuff related to current events lmao

[tall orchid]

did you use the clown emoji

[warm knot]

nope

[signal harness]

shall not be infringed?

[warm knot]

something along those lines

[signal harness]

def don't want to argue constitutional law on the internet. no matter what side you are on

[warm knot]

@gloomy grove did you tag a moderator to get your conscript role removed?

[gloomy grove]

Yeah, I DM'd one of them

I recommend any of them but Sirius

[warm knot]

extremely ironic

[velvet swift]

I gotta ask, is hell let loose a little faster paced than squad?

Like is there less downtime?

[warm knot]

movement speed is much slower

[velvet swift]

I feel like in squad I end up on my phone 50% of the time waiting for something

Would you say that happens in HLL?

[modern rampart]

You get into the action much faster in HLL

[velvet swift]

That's good to hear

I'll use steam refund window as a trial I guess, see how it goes

[modern rampart]

Yeah, that's a good idea.

[prime quartz]

Squad is a slower game but HLL is literally slower

if that makes sense

The design of Squad is such that there is more downtime between combat encounters (usually) but you are literally faster.

HLL is designed so that there is more action overall but you are literally slow as fuck

[modern rampart]

yup pretty much

running speed is quite slow in comparison to Squad

[velvet swift]

I see, it just has you closer to the action at all times

[modern rampart]

but you also don't have stamina in HLL

so you can sprint infinitely

[prime quartz]

you can sprint infinitely in Squad too

Squad has stamina that allows for "super-speed"

but the out of stamina speed is faster than HLL still

HLL is maybe the slowest moving game I've ever played

[prime quartz]

yes

well

more often

if you have to walk a long distance in HLL its a huge pain

Squad is faster paced now since you can just have a helicopter pick you up and drop you off somewhere

but most of the time in HLL you have a spawn close to the fight so even though you are slow as molasses you can still get to the fight quickly

occasionally your team doesn't do that and its a disaster

[torn prairie]

Map size is different though comparatively - so you may be faster in squad 'literally' you also have more ground to cover

Its 6 and half a dozen!

[prime quartz]

not always

[dawn widget]

Anyone know if the DLC for uncensoring symbols is still planned?

[prime quartz]

Like 1/3rd to 1/2 the squad maps are smaller than HLL maps

[torn prairie]

Well every squad map is bigger than HLL maps so i'd say so 😉

[prime quartz]

you could fit like 6 Sumari's in 1 HLL map

[torn prairie]

Well considering the smaller maps then maybe, however the game is still designed for large scale maps and therefore the mechanics are suited to those maps, unlike HLL which are all suited to the same size map

So basically the speed of running really requires the context of how big the maps and engagements generally are in each game

Its a hard comparison to make really! Both games do what they do well but differently!

[prime quartz]

iirc 6 of Squad's 20 maps are the same size or smaller than HLL maps. Especially when you consider the unlike in HLL map edge is often not really in play

so like West Bend on Foy uses map edge

but the other 12 maps are larger and in some cases 2x or more in size

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Unrelated but I recently found out Squad has a Star Wars total conversion mod which is cool

But back to the point HLL plays faster even while you are literally slower

for my money I think combat in Squad is faster paced when it does happen

[torn prairie]

Think thats more related to the modern weaponry imo! 😉

[warm knot]

not really a good point when nearly everyone in HLL uses a semi or full auto weapon

[torn prairie]

Who said I was talking about the guns! 😉

Nah in reality though the spawning style, logi system, modern weaponry and the variety of vehicles all contribute to the combat in Squad and how it feels comparatively to HLL.

[prime quartz]

I was mostly talking about infantry fights

[torn prairie]

At the same time this is also a bit ~ because you dont see folk on Squad rocking around with bolt action rifles (or even semi-auto rifles). The main weaponry for most of the factions in squad involve automatic rifles of some kind - so I'd like to think my point here is still valid!

Well yeah there you go then ^

[prime quartz]

since you move faster in Squad CQC battles are often very very quick

[torn prairie]

Its just a totally different game in the same genre - still very difficult to compare

The differing engines also contribute to the feel of the game aswell

[prime quartz]

you also tend not ot have a stream of players running at you

[prime quartz]

same engine

[torn prairie]

Versions of the engine I mean

For example Post Scriptum use the Squad version HLL does not and therefore certain things the games are both capable of are different

Null point really - I agree with this though

[torn prairie]

^

[deft trail]

Speed of running is irrelevant, there are plenty of transports

Hll mechanics are scalable by map

[hardy cedar]

we need arma3 ww2 100v100 pvp event

[prime quartz]

I just got 125xp is that good?

[dim pulsar]

As good as it gets

When is squad vietnam coming out

[prime quartz]

i think later thiss year

thursdany night massacre

[dim pulsar]

https://www.lovethispic.com/uploaded_images/40179-Evil-Pumpkin-Gif.gif?1

[edgy slate]

Does it annoy anyone that you can’t see your feet or otherwise have a end match screen that shows the best squad in all their cosmetic glory? Lol

[dawn widget]

“Best squad” would send a weird message, if it were even possible to determine numerically the value of all sorts of important contributions like communication and organisation, which it probably isn’t. If you’re in a game for 1.5 hours you’ll know well enough who contributed and how.

[solid vale]

If you aren't using a Logitech MX518 you are not doing FPS right. It is the only peripheral/mouse I simp for.

[uncut jasper]

Logitech G305 💪

[granite cedar]

Playing first match on hill 400 on ps5!!! Only had to wait until I got to level 30

[worldly cipher]

@solid vale MX518 the times are over you do anything wrong or right with a mouse because the times changed

in q3 time there was not alot you could choose but now they are so many good mices

This is like kids talking .... You tested every mice to say what is good or not? And have you big or small Hands? There are so many points to choose the right mouse for yourself...

[gloomy grove]

How did you enjoy it?

[dawn widget]

Hey wondering is the test branch of hell let losse allow me to play in real games?>

[normal pike]

Nope, only the test

[dawn widget]

Test branch where do i find the real one?

[hardy cedar]

there is a game called bfv that does exactly this, amazing

[granite cedar]

Lost but fun. Just enjoyed playing a fresh map. Seems like much less map variety on ps5 rotation compared to pc. Hopefully gets fixed soon

[gloomy grove]

You want Hell Let Loose instead of Hell Let Loose (Public Testing)

[normal pike]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/686810/Hell_Let_Loose/

[tidal yarrow]

Ah the MX518. I owned a G400s which was pretty similar. Good mouse for its era, though I know LG brought it back recently. Too heavy for me personally but to each their own :)

I've been rocking the Razer Viper lately. Really good, lightweight mouse.

[open saddle]

No, because it isn’t Battlefield.

[dawn widget]

G305 here too 🙂 best mouse.

Also, steer clear of the G502 Lightspeed. Possibly the worst mouse I’ve ever tried and I don’t understand how it has become so well reviewed

[edgy slate]

No it really doesn’t lol

[worldly cipher]

HLL is not BF not in any way xD BF is Arcade for sure!

[edgy slate]

Obviously you’d judge best squad by collective contributions such as taking out outposts and garrisons,kills,revives or anything else that’s calculated on the scoreboard

[dawn widget]

ok I just don’t think it’s a good idea let alone an obviously good idea

[open saddle]

The highest points for each category are in yellow on the scoreboard at the end…

The whole point is that it’s not about who got the highest kills. You don’t win by kill counts.

[edgy slate]

Historically it wasn’t uncommon for particular units to gain fame or valor for contributions above and beyond what was common during a battle. Such as the 26th panzer at Stalingrad or the 3rd US Army later in 1944-45

So for in HLL for a certain squad to be calculated and celebrated as the “ best” or as “ the ones who contributed most to our victory” is right inline with history

[open saddle]

It might be…but this is just a game…a game where the majority of the community understands it’s not about “who the best is individually” if you start with that rubbish the quality of the game play drops

It becomes all about being the best and not actually playing the game as intended. It’s a team game. It’s not about one unit, or one person

[errant patrol]

preach

[open saddle]

And again, the majority of what you’re asking for is already available on the scoreboard

[edgy slate]

Again..It wouldn’t be individuals but the squad itself, I can’t tell you how many games I have been in where 1 or 2 squads are really carrying the day in almost every aspect from garrison building to manning arty. I feel these squads at the end should be plainly shown as the best maybe with a little walkout of the squad that shows the cosmetics

Since you don’t have really a opportunity to see your own cosmetics in any sense beyond the barrack screen

[fringe berry]

Basically you want what bf5 has at the end of the round that shows the squad with most points but in this case squad who “contributed” more

[open saddle]

There are for more important and impressive things the Devs should be working on than copying Battlefield….

[edgy slate]

Something akin to that but minus the unhistorical cosmetics

[edgy slate]

They already barrow enough from Post scriptum 🤷🏽‍♂️

[dawn widget]

It will be a lie

[open saddle]

You mean Post Scriptum….an externally similar game….unlike BF which is unlike either apart from being set in WW2?

[edgy slate]

It would be a truth based upon tangible contributions to the team all a collective unit. And you can’t tell me it wouldn’t be badass to see your whole squad standing side by side or in some pre-posed stance with your weapons and uniforms 😩❤️

[open saddle]

I can happily say that I wouldn’t care…

“Cosmetics” are minuscule. Mean nothing really apart from “hey look I played a long time”

[edgy slate]

That’s you man, I feel if they made something like to people would love it. Coolass visual Feedback like that often is

[fringe berry]

But then again in HLL it doesnt matter if youre the reincarnation of John Basilone or god himself as long as you played the objective and what not its good i see that feature rather pointless but i wouldn’t care tbh

[dawn widget]

It would take the focus away from the team. At that moment, the whole team is already feeling great. Now you’ve crapped a little on 44 people’s achievement, and it won’t even be the truth. There will have been so many little different actions taken unrewarded.

If it does become this kind of game, you can keep it

[open saddle]

And that’s you dude 👍🏻

[edgy slate]

It would be most of us I believe 😂

I doubt you’d have a huge uproar to remove it if they added something lien it

[open saddle]

It’s not though is it….

Ofcourse nobody is going to remove it….the point is, nobody wants it added.

[fringe berry]

That is true and many people take this serious so to get shat on by a squad for their “contributions” yikes

[open saddle]

I honestly wouldn’t care either way I’m just pointing out the reasons why it wouldn’t be added

[fringe berry]

Yeh

[edgy slate]

Bro..I’m speaking purely historically and out of common sense. If you’re fighting a battle and a unit over preforms almost every other unit both friendly and enemy that unit 99% of time is decorated and set apart from its contemporaries after the battle and HLL could simulate that with a post-match screen

[errant patrol]

bro i just want a flame thrower

[edgy slate]

Again like the 24th Panzer, 3rd US Army, 137th Rifle division at Stalingrad, 101st at D-Day, 35tg Rangers at Point-de-Hoc, like come on now

[dawn widget]

In real life people work together in a war because they have one life. In computer games we have to work hard to promote the spirit and practice of team play.

You keep using words like “obviously” and “common sense” because your arguments have none of those qualities.

[fringe berry]

And the pacific theatre

[errant patrol]

this

[open saddle]

And each squad gets Recognition in the scoreboard with the points allocated to them

[errant patrol]

oh oh and mounted HMG's

[edgy slate]

We won’t get a pacific theater for atleast another year assuming they are adding all the stuff they say they are for Europe

[errant patrol]

yeah i seen the Q&A gonna be a long way away

i'm still excited

[edgy slate]

Same

[fringe berry]

Yeah ik theyll just finish with europe and explore other fronts

[edgy slate]

Or...they could do the very very very neglected Italian front from 1943

[errant patrol]

Africa when? 😮

[fringe berry]

But man just wanna be a marine smacking japanese infantry with my water cooled machine gun

[edgy slate]

They already have the US they would just have to add Italy

[errant patrol]

be cool if they added another Axis faction like the Italians

[edgy slate]

I can see a few more Soviet mapes

[fringe berry]

Greeks😳

[edgy slate]

Mainly Berlin and Selow heights

[fringe berry]

I just want french factions hell id be fine with the french colonial fighters

[open saddle]

And the British

[fringe berry]

Them too

[dawn widget]

Now that’s a good idea. Italy and Greece would also bring some eye candy

[fringe berry]

Canadians also but ig they’re the “same”

[edgy slate]

Oh yeah

Canadians at Juno beach and the Holland campaign

[open saddle]

Different badge man different badge

[thin linden]

What you guys talking about

[dawn widget]

HLL

[thin linden]

I see

[open saddle]

Hell let loose fantasy

[dawn widget]

Join us

[thin linden]

Ok

[fringe berry]

All i care is the pacific theatre and thats it

[thin linden]

I want the game to not die

[fringe berry]

Nothing else as long as i get it in the long run im fine

[dawn widget]

I sense “server browsers” in your messaging future

[open saddle]

What do you think this is post scriptum??

[thin linden]

Good but the playerbase has left

[thin linden]

Ha yeah

[open saddle]

Left what?

[thin linden]

The game

[open saddle]

Which game not Hll

[slim fractal]

Why would the game die?

[dawn widget]

It’s down to two or three full servers now apparently. I still want to play though

[thin linden]

Alot of people have just started giving up on the game

(Read steam dev blog comment)

[open saddle]

I was initially a PS fanboy oh but now realise it’s a complete and utter waste of time

[fringe berry]

Yeah only squad is the most alive game those guys made but man post scriptum looked okay

[dawn widget]

That’s sad, now I want to play it less

[thin linden]

Also apparently brits are gonna be a paid dlc

[open saddle]

That’s okay HLL is far superior

[slim fractal]

A lot of people have gave up the game already +1yr ago. It's meaningless. New blood is always replacing the old.

The game isn't dying. TikTok marketing is taking care of that

[thin linden]

Yeah but only gets around 4000 at most player per day out of the 1 mil sales it has

God damn Tik Tok

[slim fractal]

And that's a lot

[open saddle]

Beans are you saying PS is dead or HLL?

[thin linden]

PS is dead

[slim fractal]

The game isn't type of game that attracts 10000 players on daily average

[thin linden]

Hell Let Loose is not dead

It won't be for a very long time

[open saddle]

Okay because it looks like you’re complaining about hell let loose numbers.

[slim fractal]

p.s. 6,279 24-hour peak

[thin linden]

Don't get me wrong I love this game

[dawn widget]

HLL just got a couple of million (?) PS+ users injected, and more who will come online for a few years as they get PS5s

[open saddle]

I think everybody is well aware PS is dead

[slim fractal]

And you're worried for nothing.

[thin linden]

Yeah it won't die for a very long time

[fringe berry]

HLL is hot just wish theyd add crossplay for pc n consoles as a turn on n turn off option really wanna play with my buddies

[slim fractal]

I was here when the game had only hundreds of daily average. Now it's thousands. The game & community is growing for some odd reason.

[thin linden]

Yeah most pc and console player don't want crossplay

[fringe berry]

Tiktok n sales did that

[thin linden]

Its getting better

[slim fractal]

Must be that

[thin linden]

Hey have you guys heard that the brits are gonna be a paid dlc?

[open saddle]

No

[dawn widget]

What’s going on with this dev post comments anyway?

[slim fractal]

Yup.

[dawn widget]

nm I’ll find it

[thin linden]

Halftracks

Also whats your opinion on it

[fringe berry]

On what game?

[thin linden]

Hell Let Loose

I'm trying to get a feel on how the community feels about it being a dlc

[dawn widget]

I’ve been desensitised to DLC by Hearts of Iron. So the odd DLC is fine.

[open saddle]

I very much doubt the BritDLC will be paid DLC but even if it is I won’t mind paying for it if it adds more content new maps vehicles weapons etc

[thin linden]

(Nothing confirmed)

[fringe berry]

Eh i dont care cause i never buy dlcs for game unless theres a season pass and its on a discount

[open saddle]

Why?

[fringe berry]

Yes 9 bucks for some songs

[thin linden]

Just curious

[dawn widget]

That’s reminds me, everything is on sale right now. Brb

[thin linden]

Alot of people aren't happy with it

[open saddle]

Well that’s how you pay for ongoing development

[fringe berry]

Just get the dlcs through “other” means like I did with the resistance pass

[open saddle]

Before the introduction of DLC Developers would make a game distribute it and that was the end. Occasionally they would make an expansion for that game and guess what you had to pay for it

[thin linden]

Thing is in the Kickstarter they said if you pay this much we will add the brits and they did and they are (Possibly) making it a dlc

Lot of vets are pissed off

[errant patrol]

Maybe the backers will get the DLC for free?

[thin linden]

No the lead dev said in a interview an update similar to the Soivet union (Faction) will be a paid dlc

I will try and find it

[dawn widget]

If we don’t buy DLC (which will be cheapish I guess) and support BM’s decisions we might get something worse from T17 down the line. Enjoy your £10 Batman recon uniform in 2023

[thin linden]

https://www.pcgamesn.com/hell-let-loose/post-launch-roadmap

[fringe berry]

Eh idc what they do paid or not ill end up buying it when its on discount ofc

[thin linden]

Fortunately it does say that you will be able to play the map without buying the dlc

[fringe berry]

Oh so its like the toy soldier dlc for rising storm you basically pay for the classes

[open saddle]

Again that’s how you pay for continued development 🤷🏻‍♂️

[thin linden]

perhaps

read the article it takes like 1 min

[thin linden]

Fair enough

[open saddle]

If you want the the game to continue to be relevant, and updated with new content, you gotta pay for it. The article says 1 out of 4 updates will come at a cost 🤷🏻‍♂️ fine with me

[thin linden]

Yeah but its just the kickstarter promise what pisses people off

[open saddle]

Why are you pissed off though?

[thin linden]

Here is a post about someone who disagrees with the dlc

https://www.reddit.com/r/HellLetLoose/comments/p1dv79/paid_british_dlc_completely_unacceptable/

[open saddle]

The promise has not been broken

[thin linden]

I'm not I don't mind

[open saddle]

I mean, some random guy crying on Reddit won’t chan he my mind lol

[dawn widget]

Hmm wow that vote is pretty damning.

[thin linden]

Yeah true

I'm not trying to convince you of anything

[open saddle]

He does t want to pay for “British forces”, but it will be ok to pay for something else instead?

[thin linden]

I actually agree with you

Also here the kickstarter page

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/blackmatter/hell-let-loose

[half prawn]

Hey

Need friends to play HLL

[thin linden]

pc looking for unit

Oh crap I take back what I said about the kickstarter

Yep they have every right to charge us

[open saddle]

If the “large update” (let’s stop saying British forces) consist of one or multiple new factions, and several new maps, including sounds, vehicles, FX etc etc I think that warrants a cost…

[dawn widget]

I already paid the lawyer for the class action lawsuit wtf man

[open saddle]

If it was just….I dunno a reskin, adding British to maps we already have…that would suck

[thin linden]

Dude I'm sorry

[thin linden]

Yeah

They are apparently to kickstarter going to both be operation market garden maps

[open saddle]

So IMO the people who cry about paid DLC are just entitled idiots who want stuff for free

Especially when they don’t know what the DLC even is yet

[thin linden]

Yeah fair enough anyway I got to go I will be back in 10 min to complain about more stuff

Goodbye!

[open saddle]

Can’t wait

[dawn widget]

I would like to announce I am mostly ok with everything

[fringe berry]

Some things in the remaining goals are already in the game hm

Then again it hasnt been updated since last year

[thin linden]

I have come back to complain

[open saddle]

I’m ready

[thin linden]

Flamethrowers

[open saddle]

What about them.

[errant patrol]

they burn

[thin linden]

I'm looking forward to them but I feel like people are going to be disappointed unless the devs are some sorta development gods

They will

1 eithier be overpowered

or 2 underpowered

[open saddle]

Ok cool. Before you make silly assumptions, why not just wait and actually see what they produce? 🤷🏻‍♂️

[errant patrol]

probably similar to the ones in Rising Storm right?

[thin linden]

The map selection is of to much variety to cover all fronts without making it overpowered

[open saddle]

They already said they will be high risk high reward. Very situational. They will be good in urban environments…not so great in the open…

[thin linden]

But apart from that yeah fix bugs blah blah blah this broken that broken blah blah balh nobody care about bugs

[open saddle]

You can reenact the flame thrower scene from Saving Private Ryan…what’s not to love?

[errant patrol]

trench and bunker clearing gods

[open saddle]

Complain about something better please

That was disappointing

[thin linden]

Yes I agree but what about on Foy they won't be very useful there you will go extremely long periods of time without any combat

Thats just an opinion

[open saddle]

So then you don’t use one?

[thin linden]

A game opinion!

I need a life

[open saddle]

You said it

You know you can change loadouts in-game right?

[thin linden]

No I will I am just worried that the devs are gonna get hammered with complaints once it released

[thin linden]

Also yes

[errant patrol]

keep the lads warm in the snow

[thin linden]

Well I just got destryed

[open saddle]

So? Can’t please everyone…remember those entitled idiots I mentioned earlier? They are everywhere

[thin linden]

Yeah fair enough

Can't argue with korey though

Anyway other then that the games going great

[open saddle]

No it’s very difficult to argue with Korey…he has such a beautiful voice

[open saddle]

Success

[thin linden]

Yeah those are just some nitpicking complaints

[open saddle]

I mean, I don’t really think they can be labels as complaints.

Maybe slight concerns

[thin linden]

I love this game alot so don't take it as me hating on this game

[open saddle]

Phew, glad you said that, I thought you hated it

[thin linden]

Wait crap no don't ban me

[open saddle]

Banned

[thin linden]

AHHHH

[open saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/ban-hammer-futurama-scruffy-gif-20750885

[thin linden]

Yeah I wouldn't join a discord server about an official game just to complain thats just scummy

I mostly just help out new players

If you ever want to play dm me

You to korey

[errant patrol]

meh we all have our little gripes about the game but we also love and support it too

[thin linden]

And your beautiful arguements

See ya

[errant patrol]

cya bud

[thin linden]

have a good day

[errant patrol]

you too

[thin linden]

Thanks

[open saddle]

We will be on the Misfit Server 😉

[dawn widget]

Flamethrowers. Right listen

[thin linden]

Oh hi

[dawn widget]

Hey

[thin linden]

How you going?

[dawn widget]

Is flamethrowers really an excuse to introduce 🔥? And will fire appear elsewhere too? Can it spread? Will it be less of a problem on Foy?

[thin linden]

They are coming with molitovs

[dawn widget]

This is good news

[thin linden]

All interesting points that I don't know

[open saddle]

Nobody knows

[dawn widget]

We could cap it all with a new firebomb Commander ability. It will be glorious

[open saddle]

Said nobody ever with a potato PC

[thin linden]

By the way Tinbum I am part of that server with korey

[open saddle]

Yeah I see you guys having a little private time

😘

[dawn widget]

How do I revive someone

[gloomy grove]

As a medic you use morphine (US/Germany) or jazz hands (Soviets) when you're close to them. There is a button prompt on screen when you can

[edgy slate]

This would...be...tha...shit https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goliath_tracked_mine

We need this immediately

[fringe berry]

Oh god imagine the fun id have with this just ramming it straight to enemy lines or putting a at sachel on it

[edgy slate]

It would have to be a deployable like mortars are going to be

[dawn widget]

How do I zoom in when im aiming?

[dawn widget]

Ty :D

[prime quartz]

shift

[hard fjord]

RB

[dawn widget]

can you use controller on pc

for hell let loose

[prime quartz]

yea

you'd want to use gyro aim though unless you enjoy getting trashed

[dawn widget]

yeah i’m sticking to keyboard and mouse 😁

[prime quartz]

i played with gyro aim and was nearly as good as a mouse user

that was only after a handful of days

well my score - i usually have a positive k/d

[dawn widget]

i’m so bad at infantry

but i’m godly when it comes to armour

[rustic lava]

👋

[fierce dagger]

Do we have a way of starting a solo game just to get used to controls, practice, and explore maps? If not, is there a good server for first-timers?

[spiral compass]

if you just want to look around the maps join an empty server

[open saddle]

Plenty of New player friendly servers but yeah, just join an empty server

[stable ridge]

Teffers87 looking for a squad

[open saddle]

#pc-looking-for-unit

[rustic lava]

👋

[open saddle]

👋🏻?

[dawn widget]

Deez

[strange bone]

i want to buy this game so much, but my friends says they are all broke

sad moment

[dawn widget]

HLL is on sale like 50% of the time

[earnest verge]

Hey, have just purchased and i am planning on playing my first game in a couple of hours. And simple advice for a noob?

[glad pasture]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaY27yiOPPA

[earnest verge]

Thank you.

[dawn widget]

why is melee so bad?

[native furnace]

usually melee in other games is an insta kill ay

but in HLL pretty much everything is so...theres no real point in using melee

even in close range

[dawn widget]

true

it is 1 hit but the aim is awful

I'm in a melee only pub match with my clan and holy hell its difficult

[still vault]

Yes.

Turn Hide FPP Projectiles Off to see your own gunfire.

Also, bind the Melee key to clicking your scroll wheel, and optionally the Crouch and Prone keys to Alt and Ctrl to replicate a frequent proning, cautious crouching playstyle seen in RO2 and RS2 with Battlefield melee.

As the game uses Q and E for leaning, it is wise to bind the Spot key to Z to replicate RS2 Spotting as well, if you are familiar with it.

You do not have to do any rebinding, mind you. I simply did so to more easily learn the game with existing habits.

[kind island]

Be medic first few rounds to get a feel for the game, listen to your team mates and ask for help if you need it, pretty much every game I've had questions everyone's been supportive. 3 big things, use the 3ds when you ping, description, direction and distance. Don't get discouraged, some games go well but others drag on for hours. Having a mic and talking to squad mates and blueberries also helps a ton.

[twin remnant]

do i need to join any specifc discord servers in order to communicate with ppl??I just got this game yesterday and i have noticed that sometimes there is no vc communication in squads and i need to hop in between a few of them to find someone to talk to. At the same time some servers seem to be pretty chatty and i see a lot of ppl screaming on mics...am i missing something?

[kind island]

Some might be in a discord call but most just don't have mics, just the luck of the daw honestly

[weak swan]

just bought this game

a

and

i cant swim

what do i use to swim

[dawn widget]

Swimming isn't possible in this game, you can still cross rivers as long as it is shallow enough or you can get past before you drown

[earnest verge]

Thank you

[earnest verge]

Thank you. I just finished my first game........... its quite the experience!

[thin linden]

You can't swim (Just in case you didn't see Ares post)

[edgy slate]

I can’t unsee it now 🙃

Please fix it 😩😩😩

[toxic kernel]

looking to buy HLL, heard that it is a middleground of mil-sims like Squad and arcade shooters like CoD is that true?

[open saddle]

No.

Not even remotely arcade like

[native furnace]

put it this way, its a 7 or 8 out of 10 on the milsim realism spectrum. Realistic and tough with an extremely short ttk, but it does also have features which help make the gameplay experience more fun.
I cant quite compare to squad but its more or less the same idea, similar to post scriptum I think.
Its nothing at all like cod or battlefield

[gloomy grove]

Gunplay is simpler than most arcade games

HLL is babies first milsim.

That's not a criticism. I really enjoy the game

[celest swift]

As said above. SQUAD and Post Scriptum are a bit higher with the realism and such, but feel "slower" at the same time. HLL goes easier on you when it comes to deploying and fighting. Dying is not such an issue here as it may be in SQUAD or PS. You can quite easily hop right back into action. For Mil-Sim, I am playing heavily modded Arma 3 with our clan. Occasionally hopping on SQUAD for shits n giggles. When it comes to "more action", yet somehow "relaxed" milsim, HLL is the one we come to. Wouldn't call it arcadish tho. And same as Critical Fail - having great time playing HLL - especially with premade units.

[dawn widget]

Yoo

[kind island]

I've always envied big mil sim events on Arma 3, especially the crazy ones with Rimmy or Soviet. I just prefer the quicker action of Squad, still need to get into a 1 life event. But I think HLL is a really good balance of realism and gameplay. And with the rise of the player count and servers I can get in good talkative games vs a year or so ago

[tawny scaffold]

Hey all -- is there a competitive community in this game? How active is it?

I'm looking for 2-4 scrimmages per weekend.

[slim fractal]

Pretty healthy. Currently two big tournaments running. HLL Seasonal and HLL Premier League. Look #legacy-event-announcements & and find your team from #pc-divisions-recruitment .

[warm knot]

[stable meteor]

[open saddle]

Ok you can stop the pings now children…

[wicked fossil]

You can start to drown and with momentum jump up to reset time and cross slightly deeper rivers too.

[atomic wyvern]

Hello people i have a question.. how can i get the M42 Heer Helmet of the Germans? It says it's a drop item but I don't know what stream I should see to get it

[dreamy adder]

true I really want the twitch drop items

[modern rampart]

As far as I know they are not available at the moment but a while ago one of the developers mentioned that items, which are limited at the moment like the German helmets or the NKVD uniforms will be available to everyone later on. I'd presume in the form of a cosmetic DLC like the Lethal Tide DLC.

[atomic wyvern]

ohhh thx !

[edgy slate]

Yeah but I’d say some of the stuff they plan on adding will be moving a bit more towards that squad level with deployable mortars and HMGs

I love HLL and I think by next year it’ll be considered among the Trinity of mil-sims with PS and Squad

[open saddle]

I fail to see how PS is comparable to either squad or HLL anymore? I was a PS fanboy when it came out, but now compared to HLL, it’s just a bunch of dead servers and terrible maps?

And I’m not trying to spark a PS vs HLL debate, just wondering if PS is really still considered a good game?

[edgy slate]

It’s safe to say that HLL has sapped a lot of PS’s player base but I can’t say much else

[open saddle]

The only thing I wish we had that PS has (apart from British forces which are coming “soon”) is to be able to turn out in tanks

Oh and WP

[prime quartz]

Squad ate the PS player base

the player base is still large enough to find games which is all you rreally need but there maps aren't great

[warm knot]

the maps themselves are fine (except the french maps which nobody seems to like), the main problem is how the objectives are organized on the different layers imo

[prime quartz]

So PS maps have a core problem

[warm knot]

I personally like stonne, dinant needs a serious overhaul

[prime quartz]

that they are fucking huge and there are only 100 players

I think Best is the Best map because its more reasonably sized for the player count

But anyway it creates this very "cowboys and indians" vibe to all the fighting

[warm knot]

squad has huge maps as well

[prime quartz]

you have 16km^2 map with no choke points, no limit on player movement, etc...

[open saddle]

I liked the French maps because there was more detail. The Original maps are terrible. Just flat, open ground. Villages and towns are just a bunch of Buildings. Nothing else

[prime quartz]

It does and that game has a similar problem. Although its not nearly as bad in Squad

Squad has a bunch of smaller maps and the design of the FOB/logistics system slows things down a bit

[warm knot]

The Original maps are terrible. Just flat, open ground.
welcome to the rural netherlands

[prime quartz]

well not quite

The game just doesn't model a lot of things that would naturally present problems for movement

I've gone Duke's of Hazard in a Opel Blitz more often than I'd like to see

the obvious fix would be to just grab the existing 16km^2 maps and cut them into 3-4 maps

[open saddle]

Oh totally yeah, doesn’t make for a fun map 🤣

[warm knot]

learn 2 hedgerow concealment

[prime quartz]

then limit vehicle movement more

big one is MSPs

[warm knot]

logistic AT mine player detected

[prime quartz]

stop allowing htem to plow through whatever fence they see, add Squad's terrain movement modifier (assuming they have that) to push players to stay on roads

lol

I just genreally dislike games that give the players too much freedom

or effectively unlimited freedom

[warm knot]

stop allowing htem to plow through whatever fence they see
extremely cringe

[prime quartz]

Squad just barely gets away with it

[warm knot]

terrain modifier would be fine

[prime quartz]

but PS is supposed to be a WW2 game and instead it plays like you are fighting a counter-insurgency against Nazi's

I did the math once and one of the OG maps historically had something like 15,000 men present

[warm knot]

see you in about 30 years when 15,000 men servers become possible

[prime quartz]

well alternatively you could just reduce the map size

[warm knot]

not like HLL is much better than this with its teleporting problem

[prime quartz]

if your game can't present that many players then you reduce the map size until you have a rational force density

[prime quartz]

all 3 have the issue in a variety of ways

I think HLL is better than PS in that sense (for some of the maps)

every HLL map is 2.4km^2

which is still too big for a few of them

but 8x smaller than the balance of PS maps

[warm knot]

force density might be a problem but I enjoy the freedom of movement in PS

once you start fighting over an objective it feels much more natural

[prime quartz]

you can still ahve freedom of movement (depending on what you mean) with better force density

There have been a lot of PS matches I've won by just driving an MSP in a huge 1-2km loop

truck simulator WW2 style... which isn't my idea of good gamepaly

like essentially any sort of "tactical realism" game ought to be about using combined-arms to overcome tactical problems.

E.G. enemy holds crossroads, use squad tactics + supporting armor to suppress close and destroy

while your opponent does the same to you (well to hold the crossroads)

What I often see is that the actual optimum path of play is to just totally bypass the tactical problem

and rather than engaging in a series of tactical problems you end up engaging in a series of spawn bombs

and again its not just a PS problem, HLL and Squad also present that issue.

Squad is probably the best of the 3 as far as solving it goes though. Well not solving it but papering over the issue as much as can be done. Really there just needs to be another game in the genre that decides to focus on tackling the issue

because things are stagnant right now

[delicate juniper]

#hll-content message
@mystic stump Just moving my reaction to more appropriate place.
"The bottom-line is that the Panther's 75mm cannon cannot penetrate the 76mm "Jumbo" front hull armor."

To me, the bottom line is that if the game would work at least a bit with realism, that Jumbo would get immobilized as soon as the tracks were destroyed (and it would drive him out of control on his left track which means he would show his ass even more if he wouldn't stop imediatelly)** and the Panther would have at least a possibility of being clear to make additional shots to Jumbo's side/side-rear.** I am quite confident that the Panther would have won that one if the system was more realistic.

Because since the tracks immobilization is not a thing in HLL, there is no tactics that could work against stronger tank opponents as they always turn around to show us their frontal armor and finish the fight via arcade outcome.

[warm knot]

realism was left behind long ago mate

[delicate juniper]

U10 was supposed to be about armor overhaul. It had been kept announced with big hooray always and many were hoping that the tankplay would get deeper, but... just the arcade elements were expanded instead. Aka... more about modules, but their destruction doesn't do what everybody would expect - we have no blocked turret rotation, no tracks immobilization, no crew injuries etc. etc. And everything can be repaired pretty fast too even during combat via guy(s) with blowtorch prone behind the tank.

[warm knot]

now you're catching on

[delicate juniper]

I wish that HLL devs would take example from ||Post Scriptum|| when it comes to armor.

[dawn widget]

Teleport program?

Problem

[warm knot]

redeploy meta

aka killing yourself so you can teleport behind the enemy strongpoint

[dawn widget]

I say

You should only redeploy once you’ve expended the live the game gave you lol

Or you can just do redeployment

I makes it so that picking a operator isn’t that crucial

[prime quartz]

HLL is that anime meme come to life

[mystic stump]

Yeah, I definitely agree. I was giving it as advice as to what the person who sent in the clip can and can't do in the game with a Panther versus a 76mm "Jumbo"; that being, in this game you can't kill a 76mm "Jumbo" head on with a Panther, so you have to use more advanced tactics to defeat that opponent. I wasn't offering it as a fact regarding the penetrative power of the Panther's cannon versus the 76mm "Jumbo" front armor. Not sure about that question, which is why I didn't pass judgement about whether it's 'realistic' or not. I'm aware tank simulation is quite 'arcadey', though. It's good fun nonetheless. But everything you've mentioned does sound interesting, but whether or not it's something that would fit in HLL, I can't say for sure.

[prime quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/byakuya-teleport-gif-14505421

the annoying part about the armor is that its not realistic but also not clearly communicated to the player

like if you play Battlefield, which is also made up, its very very clear about the interaction

but HLL is similar made up but refuses to be clear about the interaction

[mystic stump]

I don't think you could really compare it to BF tanking haha. It's far better than that.

[prime quartz]

no

BF is better

BF understands that its made up from whole cloth and comports itself with that in mind

[mystic stump]

Nah, not at all. If we're talking about BFV at least, the only thing you can really compare it to.

[prime quartz]

HLL is similarly made up

[prime quartz]

how so?

HLL is similarly made up but intentionally obfuscates its systems and the balance between them

HLL is not realistic but disguises itself as realistic

not being clear to the player what is going on

whereas BF is clear about hte interaction

[mystic stump]

It really isn't as cut and dry as that.

[prime quartz]

it is

[mystic stump]

Anyway.

[prime quartz]

look either roll an argument or don't

If you know anything about armor HLL is going to mislead you. If you look up any data on armor HLL is going to mislead you

Some basic assumptions off of common knowledge of phsyics is going to mislead you

[mystic stump]

I was responding to someone else, I'll finish what I was gonna say to them.

[prime quartz]

like a very simple example

[mystic stump]

Tank immobilization is possible, just not through track damage. That's why I mentioned the 'Achilles Heel' shot, since that would have allowed this tank crew to destroy their engine component and carry on from there with an immobilized enemy tank.
I'm not sure if it would have been possible, ultimately, as it would have required two shots I believe.

[prime quartz]

if you are engaging a tank at 700 meters and you don't penetrate what might a reasonable person think?

you see your round clearly bounce

a reasonable person might think "I'm too far away, I should get closer".

Its a common sense understanding and that understanding is reinforced by the infantry gamepaly (bullet damage drop off)

but in HLL if you drive closer to that tank (say 40 meters) you are still going to bounce the round because a basic tenant of physics isn't being modeled.

[mystic stump]

So tank shells never bounce off in the real world? I'm not sure what the complaint is.

[prime quartz]

HLL dresses itself in realism and does not follow through and also does not explain its made up systems to players.

If you look at any Battlefield game they are very clear about how their systems are made up

[prime quartz]

really?

okay so what does a shell do over time?

it loses ___

fill in the blank here

[mystic stump]

Man, I'm not gonna do this with you. All I got to say is that you're making a mountain out of a molehill. I think the lack of tank crew simulation is arcadey, and the choice to do away with armor thickness is arcadey. I don't think HLL's tank gameplay model is 'misleading' at all. If you look into resources made by tank players to explain this stuff, it's pretty easy to get a grasp on it.

[prime quartz]

lol

[prime quartz]

How is it not?

again a reasonable person will understand that a shell loses velocity over time

thereby reducing its capability to penetrate armor

a reasonable person would assume that being closer (therefore higher velocity) would increase the changes of penetrating

the game does not model this

and more importantly and this is really key here: Tells no one

so you have this very basic system that the game doesn't model -- which is fine

but it then doesn't explain to anyone that it isn't modeled

[open saddle]

Do they need to? The community has tested the tank play themselves and worked it out…

[prime quartz]

they do

[open saddle]

Ok, you think they do. Cool. 👍🏻

[prime quartz]

Its part of this whole thing where HLL has a a veneer of reality

[mystic stump]

Yeah, this really isn't necessary man. People know that shell velocity isn't realistically modeled and that all that matters for a tank shot is: penetrating power and relative armor type, and angle. Tankers have made resources explaining this all, so I don't see the problem.

[prime quartz]

but doesn't inform players of its unreality

[prime quartz]

do they?

I've seen players try to drive closer to penetrate

[open saddle]

Just part of the learning curve, and hopefully the community educates

[prime quartz]

its not really

[mystic stump]

And that's why I'm telling the guy who sent in his clip what he could have done better. No point making a fuss about it. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[prime quartz]

there isn';t any feedback

so you don't understand why the bounce is happening

you just know that it is

[mystic stump]

Your cannon isn't strong enough to pen the enemy's armor, simple as.

That's how the game has modeled it.

[prime quartz]

and tyhe game should be claer about that model

[mystic stump]

It's well explained in resources like tankopedia and tank bible.

[prime quartz]

not obfuscate it

Its a competitive game where a lot of information is essentially only accessible to the type of player who is going "out of game" to access the info

[mystic stump]

I mean, what exactly does it need to do to explain that, then?

Maybe the manuals could include the same info as the tankopedia and tank bible, perhaps?

The original conservation is someone asking what went wrong with their clip and respectfully asking what they could do better in the future. Myself and Sam were carrying on that conversation here, but I think somewhere it became more about 'realism'. That's not really what it was about, sorry for the confusion.

We redirected because we thought we were cluttering the channel with inappropriate discussion.

[prime quartz]

At minimum all this detailed info should be in-game and easily accessible within a match

[mystic stump]

In the manuals, then. I guess that could be something the devs could pull off.

[prime quartz]

this is a long-term issue that game has of hiding info from players

and if they do add it its added in a way that isn't accessible to a player within the match

[open saddle]

Hiding and just not telling is different. We worked it out ourselves

[prime quartz]

its the same

[mystic stump]

Nah.

[prime quartz]

they are hiding the info and forcing players to test it and then go to those locations to find it

yes

[open saddle]

Sirs fine with me

[prime quartz]

there isn't any reason this info couldn't be laid out to players or answered when people talk to devs in here but it isn't

[prime quartz]

you are on the games discord

[mystic stump]

Because it's a waste of time? I dunno.

[prime quartz]

You are essentially a subset of all palyers

a very small subset

most players aren't participating in off game discussion

so for the balance of the player base systems are just black boxes

which is why having in-game resources, loading screen tips, death screen tips would all be beneficial

since it would lay out to the balance of players how systems function

its undoubtedly part of the reason that HLL has such a weirdly bad playerbase

[open saddle]

It would be yes. You gonna keep banging the same drum though?

[prime quartz]

the game is arcade enough for casual entry

but the game then does nothing to inform those casual players

[prime quartz]

are you?

[open saddle]

Im not trying to prove the same point repeatedly

[prime quartz]

takes two to tango

well in this case 3

[mystic stump]

The resources exist, are public & popular. If people spend enough time tanking, they'll eventually (on their own) look further into it. I don't think all the detail in the tank bible is appropriate for the game manuals. The game manuals are meant to be shorter, just to give you a gist of a concept. The tank bibles go in depth about pretty much anything you could want to know about tanking.

[tall orchid]

76mm shell velocity is what.. 800m/s?

[prime quartz]

they are public but not popular

[mystic stump]

Dunno about that, pretty much anyone who seriously tanks uses them.

[open saddle]

Yeah expressed your opinion dude, people replied, either agreed or disagreed. Don’t know why you need to keep repeating it 🤷🏻‍♂️

[prime quartz]

if you go to steam guides, for example, and check the most popular its not present

[tall orchid]

HVAP shells could pen 4.5” out to 1100 yards, which is..just over 1km

[prime quartz]

its essentially data held back by the core players

[mystic stump]

Sure...

[prime quartz]

Which is again why I said Battlefield does a much better job since it is explicit about the systems and how they operate

[open saddle]

Yeah Tank bible is totally private 🤣

[prime quartz]

there is always direct player feedback on the made up systems that the game uses

[prime quartz]

strawman

[mystic stump]

Tank Bible and Tankopedia have received multiple public shout-outs. No one is 'hiding it'.

There's no ulterior motive, man.

[prime quartz]

strawman again

[mystic stump]

Cool.

[prime quartz]

again its hidden because the balance of players are not going to be accessing out of game resources

[open saddle]

We get it, you think there should be more information about game mechanics from the Devs. I don’t think anyone actually disagrees with that. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[prime quartz]

and the most obvious out of game resource does have it accessible

[open saddle]

Not sure what else you want out of this convo?

[prime quartz]

so it becomes something that core players know about but the balance of players do not

[prime quartz]

what do you want out of it?

[open saddle]

Devs didn’t give us the info. We figured it out. Is what it is

[prime quartz]

And that is why BF is better about its made up systems

[open saddle]

I like how you can’t answer the question 😉

[prime quartz]

what question?

[open saddle]

The question you just redirected

[prime quartz]

what question?

my original comment was how Battlefield did a better job with its made up stats

[open saddle]

Ok.

[prime quartz]

Grimm disagrees

he is wrong

the point of this is to prove him incorrect

which again Battlefield teaches polayers through in-game activites how the armor system operates

Something that HLL does not do

[open saddle]

In your opinion

[prime quartz]

no

factually

it doesn't teach players

[open saddle]

Ah so just trying to prove somebody wrong who probably doesn’t really care

[prime quartz]

As you said players have tested things and created out of game resources

[open saddle]

Beating a dead horse

[prime quartz]

as are you

[open saddle]

Not really…

[prime quartz]

again it takes two (three) to tango

[open saddle]

If you say so

[prime quartz]

you can bail on this whenever

but you won't

[open saddle]

Sure

[prime quartz]

which again, BF does a much better job teaching players about its made up systems than HLL does

since HLl doesn't

[open saddle]

Not sure why i would need to

[prime quartz]

you seem weirdly salty about the convo is why

[mystic stump]

Aight, so it's clear now you're just baiting, so I'll answer any questions for the sake of others.

[prime quartz]

and its worse in a way for HLL because the game dresses up as realistic

[tall orchid]

I’ve been in this discord about a year and I’ve never seen pelican bail on a convo

[open saddle]

Not at all. I just think you made your point and are stuck on repeat???

[tall orchid]

this is not a battle you can win

[prime quartz]

whose Pelican?

[tall orchid]

just ease out and go mow the yard

[prime quartz]

As long as HLL tries to appear realistic it should be clear that its systems are not

and obfuscating systems behind fake realism is bad for the balance of palyers and their ability to get to grips with the game

[mystic stump]

No one is holding data about tanking back. Anytime a discussion about tanking occurs between vets and newer players, resources about tanking are shared. Whether that be an indepth video, tankopedia or tank bible, etc. That's the reason these resources were created, so more people can learn about tanking in HLL and improve their game sense, so the community in general can learn more about tanking. Sure, the devs could include some broad stroke concepts about tank engagements in the game manual. But I don't think it'd be appropriate for them to include everything in the tank bible or other resources, as the manuals aren't meant to be super indepth. So sure, I agree more could be in the manuals about tank engagements, but you obviously shouldn't include a manual about everything the tankopedia talks about.

[prime quartz]

it also helps hide how simple some of the mechanics are but whatevs

[prime quartz]

the developers are

[mystic stump]

Dang, that's crazy? On god?

Have a nice day Ig, man, I got worthwhile things to do.

[prime quartz]

I mean you can whine about it but I'm correct here

[open saddle]

Well done you for being correct. 🎖

[prime quartz]

I am

that is my point

you can be salty about it, but don't try to argue I'm not.

and this all would have been solved had Grimm not try to argue his way out of a bad position

[open saddle]

I’ve got nothing to be salty about…will you calm your tits 😂

[prime quartz]

ah, but you are still here

[open saddle]

Or you just accepted people can disagree with you?

[open saddle]

Am I not allowed to be??

[prime quartz]

i accept that you can but they need to accept that they are wrong

[open saddle]

lol well obviously you can’t

But cool cool

[prime quartz]

or to put it differently you can disagree but you are still wrong

[open saddle]

Ofcourse

[prime quartz]

Factually I am correct here

[open saddle]

This should be a drinking game

[prime quartz]

as seen by both of you changing the discussion from the game teaching palyers to the tank bible

my position was that BF does a better job teaching players its made up systems than HLL

[open saddle]

Nope. I didn’t change anything I said

[prime quartz]

That is factually correct

[open saddle]

Now you are trying to prove a point to me that you don’t need to 🤣

[open saddle]

I have not disagreed with that

[prime quartz]

glad you agree with me

[open saddle]

Yeah, think I said I did about 3 times

🤷🏻‍♂️

[prime quartz]

🤷🏻‍♂️

[warm knot]

[open saddle]

Have I caught your eye or something? You ok?

[mystic stump]

This convo is indeed quite humorous at this point.

[open saddle]

Always happy to please

[mystic stump]

Big brain moment?

[open saddle]

🤷🏻‍♂️

[mystic stump]

Anyway, since I'm bored I'll respond to one thing and then leave.

That being the BF/HLL comparison. I don't think it's really apt as tank simulation between BFV and HLL is much different. HLL isn't as arcadey as you're letting on, unlike BFV'S Tank sim which is much more so.

OK, HLL doesn't have simulation for velocity drop or tank crews. And instead of the indepth armor thickness/penetrative power we see in WT, it has a relatively simple four tier cannon system that can penetrate four other tiers of armor. That all being said, it simulates tanks in a far less arcadey way than BFV. So why compare them?

As for how the devs handle informing the community, I don't think HLL devs have done much wrong; they could benefit from making new manuals about tank engagements now. But sure, BFV has a more expansive in game tip system, I just don't think your comparison of the two being as arcadey as eachother is apt.

And again, nothing is being 'actively hidden.' The data and resources are out there for those who want to learn. Sure, there's no in game manual about it, but it's not a big deal eitherway. The community can deal with teaching new players. If players don't wanna take help from these resources or don't wanna look further into it, that's on them, not the devs.

[dim pulsar]

Ur right mane, theyre all just being a bunch of PABs

[prime quartz]

you are missing my argument. but...

That being the BF/HLL comparison. I don't think it's really apt as tank simulation between BFV and HLL is much different. HLL isn't as arcadey as you're letting on, unlike BFV'S Tank sim which is much more so.

HLL is not realistic and you cannot use out of game knowledge to work out how in-game interactions will operate. The fact that its more realistic than BF is immaterial.

Its still fundamentally made up.

And again, nothing is being 'actively hidden.'

Which is why none of this information is given to the community and why when asked directly the devs say "we don't want to spell it out"?

The community can deal with teaching new players

If avg player competency is anything to go by it clearly cannot

in fact if you use out of game knowledge about armor the game will mislead you

e.g. Puma's 50cm main gun is capable of penetrating the lower front hall of a Sherman but in game it cannot.

if you come into the game with knowledge of how things operate realistically you are misled

[mystic stump]

It can, actually, I've done it multiple times.

[prime quartz]

it cannot

[dim pulsar]

Thought they took the realism ad out of their game

[prime quartz]

sorta

[dim pulsar]

Why would new players think its a realistic game

[dawn widget]

I thought the devs had been open about wanting to introduce better tutorials and exposition

https://www.theloadout.com/hell-let-loose/tutorial-frustration

As for both systems being “made up”, sure, in the way that both tic-tac-toe and chess are made up.

[prime quartz]

The description text was change dbut you can still find them referencing the game as realsitic in ads and such

[mystic stump]

Oh, sorry I misread u, thought u said Panther.

[dim pulsar]

I mean they look at steam and all it says is Meta based game

[prime quartz]

no, one of the devs said there wont ever be a tutorial and then walked it back after people got salty

[prime quartz]

yea it was a twitch event or something where Max said it was realistic

for the launch

[dim pulsar]

Wouldnt assume armor worked one way or the other

[prime quartz]

e.g. you can still find them using the language

[prime quartz]

that is my point

[mystic stump]

Yeah, it's relatively realistic. It's not WT, obviously.

[prime quartz]

not even relatively

[dim pulsar]

Would prob join the game and be like “yo how does armor work”

[prime quartz]

that Battlefield does a better job with its made up features becuase its explicit about them

[mystic stump]

It's not a tank sim, is the thing.

[prime quartz]

sure

but you can still be realistic without it being a tank sim

[mystic stump]

I don't expect WT realism, and if people are that's on them.

It is lol.

[prime quartz]

RO:Ost is the perfect example of that

[mystic stump]

It's not WT realistic, but what do you want?

[prime quartz]

of being both realistic and accessible

[dim pulsar]

Saying someone joining the game and assuming armor worked realistically is far fetched, especially knowing how retarded the playerbase is they wouldnt even know what realism looked like

[dawn widget]

At least you can’t blow up a Tiger with 50 grenades in a row, or whatever it would take in BFV

[prime quartz]

My point was that BF does a better job of showing/teaching palyers how their made up systems work than HLL does

HLL just doesn't

whereas BF is constantly explicit about how things function

[dim pulsar]

Bf does do a better job, because their tanks take damage from all directions

[prime quartz]

not quite

[dim pulsar]

Its retard proof

[prime quartz]

they do a better job by showing explicit damage amounts

[mystic stump]

I mean, man, we could go into every thing that could happen in a real world engagement compared to HLL. But the differences are minimal, and where there are differences it's mostly down to the rough approximation they preformed with the armor/cannon strength system.

[prime quartz]

you do less dmg to the front

and they show that by displaying the damage amount in-game

[dim pulsar]

You still do dmage

[prime quartz]

so players will naturally pick up how it works

[dawn widget]

It’s only so explicit because it’s made completely obvious through hit markers etc, and because one pilot can do nearly everything. It’s like saying a microwave is more explicit than an oven

[prime quartz]

HLL obfuscates its arcade systems and doesn't teach players in-game how they operate

and instead relies on players going to out of game sources for info

[mystic stump]

So, what do you want? There's three different types of damage animations/sounds. They do a pretty good job of telling me when I've penned and when I haven't.

[prime quartz]

I told you already

[dim pulsar]

Hll has a larger learning curve but nowhere suggests that players will go in assuming armor works realistically

[prime quartz]

but you couldn't deal

[mystic stump]

No, you actually haven't said anything at all about what you want. You've just compared it to BF and said it should do better. How, lol?

[prime quartz]

I have

you just forgot and/or didn't read it and/or just want to troll

[mystic stump]

Go ahead and link it again, then, I've missed it?

[prime quartz]

scroll up

scroll up

you can do it

[mystic stump]

Aight, baitmaster.

[dawn widget]

It sounds like you’re requesting artificial feedback to in-game actions? Which would detract from what HLL is trying to be

[prime quartz]

anyway i've laid out the solution before

[prime quartz]

no, just that the game be clear about how its systems function

rather than obfuscating them

e.g. you won't penetrate more armor by being closer to a target

[dim pulsar]

I still see dummies trying to hit the tiger from the front with bazooka, hll problem isnt inconsistency, its lack of proper documentations

[prime quartz]

you also won't penetrate less by being farther away

[dawn widget]

Ok, as long as it’s by a separate mechanism, rather than additional (unrealistic) feedback

[next oasis]

cognitive dissonance in thinking that 'realism' ("how close is this to real life") makes for a better videogame.

[mystic stump]

If I'm having to ask you where you've laid it out, it's not been laid out clearly. Do you want them to do something with the in-game manual? Do you want tips to show up when you hit a ricochet or a non-penetrating hit? What exactly do you want? Answer without telling me to scroll up, for at least the sake of others.

I've been reading you well enough, you've just said vaguely that they have to do a better job without specifically proposing anything.

[dawn widget]

Aiming for realism can make a better video game. The Long Dark five years ago was way better than it is now. Isn’t pseudo realism why many of us are here? It’s a different kind of fun. Like eating chilis

[prime quartz]

in-game manual, tool tips on death screen, tool tips on downed screen

associate tool tips with what class you played as or what killed you

[mystic stump]

Yeah, no ones disagreeing that'd be nice.

[prime quartz]

well then why are you disagreeing with me

[mystic stump]

I said from the beginning that the game could use some.

[prime quartz]

and by in-game i mean it needs to be accessible in a match

not from the main menu

my OG point was that Battlefield does a better job of teaching players... Which it does

As HLL just doesn't

[mystic stump]

Sure.

[prime quartz]

and further since HLL is made up and you cannot use out of game resources it requires that you interpret whatever systems the devs made up

[mystic stump]

No one here has disagreed with this suggestion, I just don't think you could put every little thing a tanker needs to know in the game manual. There's simply too much, and if people are serious about tanking they should be expected to look up external resources on their own accord. The devs shouldn't need to make super-indepth manuals like the tank bible. That's the only caveat I made.

That's simply because the in-game manual is meant to be relatively basic, they leave room for more to be discovered while still giving you a basic understanding of the concept.

[prime quartz]

the tank system is actually very simple

it just seems complex because its not laid out anywhere

[viscid pagoda]

Overall would you say the game is worth it?

[prime quartz]

depends

i'd wait for a sale for sure though

its a good "baby's first realism shooter"

[mystic stump]

You don't even have the game?

[prime quartz]

but it sorta pales in comparison to older games in the genre

[mystic stump]

Dang u missing out

[prime quartz]

maybe

[mystic stump]

It's one of my favorite ww2 shooters

[prime quartz]

What platform

its a better game on console than PC

[mystic stump]

It's the same game lol

[prime quartz]

no its not

in a sense it literally is the same game

but because of that it very much isn't

[mystic stump]

So, the players are different, or what?

[prime quartz]

so on PC the combat is very twitchy and quick

[mystic stump]

The gunplay, you mean?

[prime quartz]

whereas on console combat is slower paced with each individual player having as much power

yes

and that has impact on how the entire game plays

[mighty temple]

lmfao thats just objectively not true

[open saddle]

Keyboard and mouse > controller

[prime quartz]

it objectively is

[next oasis]

oh boy here we go

[mighty temple]

have played it on console and pc and its nowhere near as good bro

pc is so much better

[mystic stump]

I mean, keyboard and mouse are better for aiming, what else is there to say though?

[prime quartz]

its better on Console for sure

[dawn widget]

This is actually why I’ve moved all my FPS play to console. Seemed counterintuitive at first. But it does make sense

[mighty temple]

cap

[prime quartz]

just by dint of there being no other games like it

[mighty temple]

go ahead and put on your tinfoil hat

[prime quartz]

on PC you have more options

console you have HLL and Insurgency

that is literally it

so HLL is a better game relatively speaking

[mighty temple]

for military ww2 shooters? the only other one close is post scriptum which blows ngl

[prime quartz]

on PC you have Squad, Rising Storm 2, Post Scriptum

[mighty temple]

depends on your taste and what youre even trying to play

[mystic stump]

Milsims, I'm guessing is the thing being discussed.

[prime quartz]

depends on whether you care more about the WW2 aspect or the genre

[dawn widget]

Plus on PC you’re always wondering if your enemy is playing on some ultra low potato settings just to disable the grass

Screw all that

[mighty temple]

personally idgaf, i think this game is probably the best ww2 shooter out there rn

[next oasis]

The inherent differences in the level of control the player has (Mouse vs controller sticks), and its effect on aiming/shooting in HLL changes the game immensely from one another.

[prime quartz]

but on console its much harder to shoot

and it therefore becomes more of a teamwork shooter and less about power players

[next oasis]

Thinking otherwise is just wrong

[prime quartz]

on PC power players can do a lot of dmg

[mighty temple]

power players are hardly a problem on pc wtf?

lone wolves die so much its hilarious

[prime quartz]

they are a problem

in that it emphasizes lone wolf play

[prime quartz]

you may just be not very good then

[mystic stump]

Yeah, I like doing a lot of damage, it's fun 😈

[mighty temple]

i dont lone wolf my little console player

i (like most everybody else) play for the team

[mystic stump]

You can top frag and play team at the same time.

[prime quartz]

I lone wolf constantly and uhh don't remember the last time I got below a 2.0 k/d

lone wolf is actually beneficial to your team

primarily as SL

[open saddle]

[mystic stump]

It's called playing OBJ aggressively

[mighty temple]

so then whats your issue

[prime quartz]

since you can put up new spawns in directionns enemies aren't expecting

[mighty temple]

you keep switching topics like i switch classes

[prime quartz]

what is yourissue?

you are being weirdly defensive here

[dawn widget]

Ok I’ve lost the convo lol

[mystic stump]

Probably because you are coming into the discussion swinging.

[prime quartz]

i am saying that the game plays differently on console/PC

[open saddle]

I don’t think you are able to read the room very well

[mighty temple]

you started by saying the controls are better on console and i disagreed

[prime quartz]

I didn't say that

[mighty temple]

and now we're talking about lone wolves?

[next oasis]

he didnt say that

read

[prime quartz]

i never said that the controls were better on console

i said that the game is by dint of it being more unique on console

[next oasis]

ok, so its a reading comprehension issue here

[mighty temple]

not controls

but better game

[prime quartz]

I also said that the console version combat is more team oriented

yes. If there are fewer alternatives it is a better game

on console you play this or Insurgency

wow

2 choices

its easier to be the best in a small pond

[mystic stump]

I dunno what you wanna hear, man, but the way you approach these discussions, you try and 'prove people wrong'. And then you ask "why are people defensive". It's because you're not actually having a fair and balanced conversation, you're coming into it with an argument in mind.

[prime quartz]

I'm proving them wrong because they are wrong

[mighty temple]

what grimm said

[mystic stump]

You straight up said you were just 'trying to prove me wrong', when both of us were in basic agreement lol.

[prime quartz]

welldon't disagree with me then

simple as

[mystic stump]

lol.

[mighty temple]

ok buddy

[prime quartz]

if you agreed with my OG statement instead of being defensive we wouldn't have had a long ass discussion

[mighty temple]

go play with your console

[next oasis]

🙄

[prime quartz]

PC has: Insurgency, RS2, Squad, PS, HLL, PR, Forgotten Hope 2, DH, etc...

[mighty temple]

enjoy your team oriented gameplay and have fun on the battlefield bro

[prime quartz]

i'm sure I;m forgetting stuff

[prime quartz]

lol

[mighty temple]

youre typing so fast you're fucking up punctuation dude calm down

[prime quartz]

can't think of an argument so just be all "lol console duh gamer"

[mystic stump]

Yes, there's lot of milsims on PC.

[next oasis]

the ps icon is tricking this dude

[open saddle]

People don’t have to and won’t always agree with you…remember when I said earlier you can’t handle people having different opinions to you, this again is proving that point. You need to chill

[mystic stump]

We got that.

[mighty temple]

im not trying to argue dude what is wrong with you

[prime quartz]

it happens way too much

[prime quartz]

you are

[prime quartz]

they can disagree but I'm going to argue then

[mighty temple]

im definitely not beyond what i originally said

[prime quartz]

you are

either agree or convince me

[open saddle]

Why? You are being childish

[mystic stump]

Nah, no one was actually trying to make an argument, that's just you.

[prime quartz]

and so far no one is being convincing

okay then

so HLL is a better game on console

right?

[open saddle]

Because there is nothing to convince you off

[mystic stump]

Because nothing you're saying is really important?

[prime quartz]

because you are wrong