new-recruit-barracks

[tall orchid]

if both teams do that, there's a fight, and we've got the makings of a good game

but both teams doing that is the exception, not the rule

[covert wing]

The main issue I see with HLL is that players have a hard time grasping the tactics often resulting in a single well played squad being able to win the game for their team.

[signal harness]

arguably that's also a problem with the warmup period too. Vehicles should not turn on until after warmup, so you don't have people running off with supply trucks

[tall orchid]

inevitably a level 7 assault takes the supply truck solo, or the commander drops supplies before warmup ends and they slide back

[covert wing]

There must be some ingame tutorial that is required

[fallen token]

Hello yall, Im new to the game. I have played other mil sims before on PC, but only every once in awhile. Really enjoying this game so far!

[tall orchid]

its funny, the warmup period was implemented to remove the midpoint supply truck rush meta

[signal harness]

yep

and they half assed it

[prime quartz]

i don't see how that would have happened

[tall orchid]

i dont either tbh

the same problems exist, we just get more time to be mad about them

[prime quartz]

you could have a 30 miniute warm up period and it would still just be a rush to the center

[tall orchid]

and to stew on the upcoming steamroll

[signal harness]

my point is that you can better control who takes the trucks if they don't move during warmup

[prime quartz]

ah

yea, just make the rush more efficient

[tall orchid]

i'll punish intentional teamkilling 100% of the time but if someone pops a non-garrison maker out of a supply truck at match start, i'll look the other way

[signal harness]

yes, hopefully for both teams too

[prime quartz]

which, getting back to being confused by the HLL player base

the rush is key to winning but people haven't made it efficient yet

[prime quartz]

doing the lords work

[signal harness]

because if one team loses its supply truck to a solo then they are screwed

[covert wing]

At the end of rhe day gaming is about fun for me. I have more fun in HLL than any shooter I have played for years.

Looked forward to insurgency.... but it was just a let down. Not so fun and no sense of immersion.

[prime quartz]

if they made capping require a minimum of 6 players or something

(3)

[tall orchid]

no way jose

[prime quartz]

3 players is probably better

[tall orchid]

finding out where the next strongpoint is in offensive and quickcapping it solo is my favorite thing to do

[signal harness]

HLL is fun, but it need a lot of work

[prime quartz]

and then required that you be +6 players over the the enemy to cap

so if

defender: 1 man
Attacker: 7 to cap

[tall orchid]

know what's wild? i have to tell people every time we play an offensive map that you CANNOT CAP A POINT OUTSIDE OF THE CIRCLE

[prime quartz]

lol

[covert wing]

Well I hope rhey keep working on it and do not fuck it up like so many companies have because of player base whine.

Like RDO which dumbed down the game, reloading, riding etc because pf player feedback.

[prime quartz]

HLL just literally doesn't tell people anything

[tall orchid]

and that isn't explained anywhere, it's just something you have to pick up from playing

[signal harness]

You haven't been here long enough

[tall orchid]

i have 1000+ hours in the game and i still can't tell you when exactly you can drop supplies from a truck in HQ sectors

[prime quartz]

Essentially what I am getting at is make the cap race less of a race

and more of a push and pull

also in Warfare being in the strongpoint should only be a 2x weighting instead of 3x

3x weighting is so dumb

[covert wing]

Whatever... I like the game as it is now, so whatever it has been has no influence over my perception of the game 🙂

[tall orchid]

just wait

once you see the cracks you can't unsee them

dont get me wrong, i still love playing HLL

i play every day

[prime quartz]

💪

[tall orchid]

but maaaaaan there's some Things To Fix

[covert wing]

Some cracks are ok... like today in the gym

[tall orchid]

lol

[prime quartz]

i play like once a week now

[amber halo]

Just installed my trial hopped into a game and don’t even know where to begin lol good morning recruits

[tall orchid]

unfortunately im kinda forced to play, occupational hazard of being a server admin

be me, playing new world and suddenly

[prime quartz]

lol

[signal harness]

check the pinned messages in this channel

[prime quartz]

no spawn protection aftter 2 years

[signal harness]

plus arty / recon gameplay loop that encourages being in the enemy spawn

[prime quartz]

arty/recon loop is so inane

[covert wing]

Maybe it is because I approach the game differently. I like the immersion. Playing with my squad. I would not call it RP as such, but we just enjoy playing in an immwrsive way and as such some games just appeal to us. If they are too streamlined there is no room for that. It just all comes down to playing the system.

[prime quartz]

I play Recon fairly often

[prime quartz]

i don't see how functional mechanics = too streamlined

and when I play recon I refuse to camp arty

Occasionally teams try to vote kick me for it

[signal harness]

playing with a decent communicative squad is much more fun, but its not a function of the game's mechanics

[covert wing]

Well like cod, or like battlefield. I know it is not a function of rhe games mechanics... just saying it may be the reason we enjoy the game so much... because there is room and time for this immersion during a game. And the mechanics are good enough not to drive us nuts and rip us out of this immersion.

[prime quartz]

i mean there are other immersive games that have working mechanics

cough Red Orchestra 2 cough

[next oasis]

It doesn't matter whether you prefer the open ended sandbox style or not. There is still game logic applied that determines how teams win, and it's very linear anyway.
HLL reminds me of single player games that claim,"APPROACH THE OBJECTIVE HOWEVER YOU WANT" but ultimately you still go from point A to B in order to progress the story.

[covert wing]

We have played arma as well. It is just more sandboxy and less of a game. HLL just strikes a good balance for us.

Played the first red orchestra... the maps were not as big. It was a great game thougg. Never tried RO2

[prime quartz]

reducing cap weight of the strongpoint and removing simple majority cap would help a lot

imo

make the SP like 1.5x

or something

[next oasis]

RO2 was structured enough where the general engagements between enemy teams seemed much more natural compared to HLL. I know it has to do with each games level of freedom of where players could traverse around the maps.
And despite RO2s smaller maps, it felt denser in infantry battles despite having about half the player count compared to HLL. It also felt much more natural in flow of team movement

[covert wing]

But What I like about HLL is also that sometimes we have had games where we just set up garrisons and do not meet a lot of enemies. Perhaps 2-3 fights total. I do not enjoy the focused cod loop of engage, die, respawn, repeat with constant action.

[dawn widget]

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[next oasis]

At first impression, HLL might seem like it offers several ways to succeed as a team while boasting several tactics that you can apply as you play the objective. This isn't true however. Most things aren't feasible, and don't matter.

HLL is only about spawn locations

You spawn bomb a point faster than your enemies

[covert wing]

And battlefield has also become this same thing where constant action is expected. It just feels dull...

[next oasis]

HLL plays like a race every single match

That's what's dull

[covert wing]

All games are a race. It's such a strange statement. How could it not be ?

Or let me ask if it should feel like less of a race and allow more time for tactics and put of the box thinking (which would be good) - how?

[prime quartz]

So the way HLL works is that you have like ~5 player per team who are actually palying the game

and 45 players not playing the game

and those 5 people are just trying to trick the other 45 into spawn bombing the enemy

[tall orchid]

im usually building an aesthetically pleasing barbed wire diamond around my nodes for at least the first 20 minutes

[prime quartz]

whichever team's skilled players manage to create a spawn bomb first win

[covert wing]

Never noticted 45 people not playing 🤣

[tall orchid]

well he's sort of referring to the people that are proactively building garrisons and outposts

[next oasis]

Those 45 people exist to spawn on the locations where the 5 placed their spawns

[covert wing]

Well yeah the game needs a mandatory tutorial

[tall orchid]

nonsense, there's a field guide that im sure everyone has read

[prime quartz]

most players aren't actively contributing to the game ending. They are just blam blam blam

[tall orchid]

:pooping sound:

[covert wing]

But then real war is the same.... and I can tell you it is not 🤣

[spice tartan]

*memorized

[next oasis]

That sad twist is that HLL can get away with this sort of loop BECAUSE people don't know any better

[tall orchid]

thing is, for the game to survive (and the reason its survived so far), a few players have to be investing in making the whole thing work

this is also true for providing places for people to play

as there's only a handful of unmoderated official servers

of the 350-something active HLL servers

[signal harness]

Most games' mandatory tutorials do not cover the player skills and knowledge necessary to play beyond moving and shooting

[covert wing]

The field guide is not a solution. I know players are lazy.... whatever. Thinking you can change that is naive. If they had a mandatory inteo video or something it would help

[tall orchid]

tips during the death screen would go long way

something like

"Staying with your squadmates reduces effects of suppression!"

[signal harness]

Again, in terms of map sense, situational awareness, or knowing where to place OPs and Garrys. You don't learn those through a tutorial

[tall orchid]

you know.. something we should know

and not have just dropped outta the sky by a dev randomly one day 😄

[prime quartz]

So some basics like SP bonus

[next oasis]

More players being enlightened in what little you need to do to win games would actually make quality of matches worse.

[prime quartz]

so being iin the circle is 3x to cap

But yea I suspect that HLL has a bias towards making sure that mechanics aren't clear

[covert wing]

True, but players do not even get this experience because they do not even try. A tutorial could make more players try and then build experience

[prime quartz]

since unclear mechanics allows the game to seem more complex and for balance issues to be less problematic

[next oasis]

Most definitely.

[prime quartz]

e.g. you can fire the PTRS at tank beyond render distance to do damage

[signal harness]

match quality is already pretty bad. either steamroll or stagnate on the mid point for 90 minutes

[prime quartz]

but most players take the intuitive approach that you need to be closer with the PTRS to do more damage

that players are taking the intuitive (and wrong) approach means that the game can get away with how the PTRS is modeled

even though by all rights it should be a pretty big balance problem

[covert wing]

That is true if only one team knows. Football is so simple. Just shoot the ball in the net... nothibg to it. And yet some games end in a draw.

[tall orchid]

we've been told a time or two that a tutorial won't happen

like an offline mode bootcamp kinda thing

[next oasis]

HLL will never be able to not feel like a race. More players becoming "aware" and knowledgeable of what needs to be done would only feed into it feeling like more of a race. This is HLLs gameplay bind.

[covert wing]

Just a video would help.

[tall orchid]

they'd have to package the server files with the game so you could run your own local server, and they aren't doing that

[signal harness]

see pinned messages in this channel

[tall orchid]

nor would they permit the community to create a custom tutorial map and run it on a community server

best you're gonna get is a point in the direction of content creators

i mean damn, compare the community field guide with the in-game manual

[covert wing]

Yes. They should just put that video in the game.

[tall orchid]

its exponentially better and should be added to the game

[signal harness]

imaging them making tips that highlight the flaws

[signal harness]

agreed

[tall orchid]

and these are all things a community manager would present to the developers, but T17 is pretty hands off when it comes to the PC version

[prime quartz]

"let me show you how to exploit the game"

[tall orchid]

console version tho? hooo boy they've pulled out the stops

[prime quartz]

TIP: While playing Utah beach try camping the American spawn by driving a Panther to the beach

[tall orchid]

my favorite thing

next to building AT guns 400m off-center from the american spawnpoint

BLOOD HARVEST

[covert wing]

Well the console master race is important to them 😁

[tall orchid]

oh i get it, the consolers are at their mercy. there's no community servers at launch, so you don't have server owners that have.. expectations

[prime quartz]

Oddly enough the console gunplay is arguably better than the PC

no one can aim for shit so it forces more teamwork

[tall orchid]

snicker

[covert wing]

Yeah that part sucks for console. Lots of games do have community servers on console though

[tall orchid]

i watched some gameplay vids from the console beta

fuck it was funny, some guy with a thompson trying to kill a german on scar 10m away

missed like four or five times before he finally landed a hit

[covert wing]

Yeah aiming on console is better because it is a lot harder. Agree with that

[fallen crest]

Ready for download in 30minutes?

[covert wing]

Generally I find shooters better on my console (except with massive aim assist), because aiming is harder and makes for better gameplay. With a mouse it is too easy to aim and it influences gameplay - games can make artificial barriers in terms of mechanics, but it never feels as naturally difficult to aim as with a controller.

[tall orchid]

making something difficult doesn't make it better

[prime quartz]

I mean I want to claw my eyes out when playing with a controller

[covert wing]

No, but aiming being physically harder feels more natural.

[prime quartz]

but the more difficult shooting does support the game more

well support its stated goals

now you can get the same effect on PC

its just the HLL doesn't try

[tall orchid]

by the same reasoning i should drive my truck in reverse on the interstate to make for a better driving experience

[prime quartz]

e.g. Red Orchestra 2

[covert wing]

Lol that's a silly example.

[prime quartz]

but HLL doesn't do that and as a result console style aiming is all there is

[tall orchid]

the concept itself is silly

[prime quartz]

eh, not for HLL. That is if you take the "game blurb" at face value

[tall orchid]

being frustrated that i don't have fine control over my input will only frustrate me, not magically improve my overall experience

[signal harness]

So I disagree about the artificial barriers. Your ability to compensate for recoil, sway etc. with the mouse is the same as firing a real gun. If you fired a gun without holding it properly it would shoot wild. The game needs complex mechanics because its easier to shoot with a mouse and keyboard

[prime quartz]

so shooting is simple on PC and that allows a single player to easily fuck up entire squads. Which creates a push away from teamwork/benefits of being with your squad

you can solo and destroy shit

[covert wing]

Aiming with a mouse just feels too simple and easy. With a controller it feels more natural in terms of the challenge of shooting a real gun, althoug it is still jusy a game representation. It just feels better to me.

[prime quartz]

whereas on console, because of the poor controls, the game becomes more teamwork reliant

So it ends up being more true to the idea of HLL

now again it makes me want to claw my eyes out because its frustrating as fuck

aiming with a joystick is a living nightmare

[tall orchid]

idk if wanted to shoot a real gun, i'd go outside and shoot a real gun

i have a perfectly good AR that i can use

[prime quartz]

but its impact on gameplay actually better matches the "idea" of HLL

[tall orchid]

buuuut im playing a videogame

[covert wing]

The controls on console are quite good. If you prefer a controller of course.

[prime quartz]

controllers are just nightmares to use in FPS hands down

[hasty tinsel]

@tall orchid i'm on your side but we've been over this

[tall orchid]

😛

[prime quartz]

unless you are Nintendo

[tall orchid]

at length

[prime quartz]

in which case you are on the cutting edge and use gyro

[tall orchid]

i still like trashing console players tho

its my favorite thing

[covert wing]

Lol controllers are not a nightmare. It is just harder to learn.

[tall orchid]

mixing low TTK and aim assist is just hilarious to me

and will never not be

[prime quartz]

its not really like shooting a real gun anyways

its just how the game pushes players to interact

IF everyone has rail guns there is little reason to work with your team

[tall orchid]

im okay with that. everyone has a mouse to aim, so the advantage is nullified

[prime quartz]

not really

[tall orchid]

sure it is

[prime quartz]

or at least you are misunderstanding me

[tall orchid]

it becomes a game of positioning

[prime quartz]

the advantage isn't nullfiied

as there isn't an advantage

there is no advantage to nullify

[tall orchid]

if neither player has an advantage, there is no advantage

[prime quartz]

its a style of gameplay

[tall orchid]

right

[prime quartz]

like idk, you aren't understanding what I am saying at all

[covert wing]

It is not about the advantage. It is the fact that the ease of landing shots just makes the game worse

[prime quartz]

HLL is a game that claims to be about teamwork, right?

[tall orchid]

from a marketing perspective? sure, i guess

[prime quartz]

The control problems that the consoles have fit that claim

or enhance that claim

paly to the claim?

whereas tyhe controls of the PC version don't do that

they are adversarial to that claim

[tall orchid]

oh, i see what you're saying

the ability to annihilate an entire squad because you can aim quickly and accurately makes a single person as devastating as, say, a single squad on console

[prime quartz]

yes

[tall orchid]

i like that

[covert wing]

I agree with that and personally I find that to be true with all shooters for me which do not have massive aim assist. The gameplay feels better on my console than on PC.

[tall orchid]

because it de facto classifies a controller as a handicap

which it totally is

[next oasis]

It's about how much you, as an individual player, is able to perform without the aid of assistance of your teammates.
If you're playing on controller sticks, your level of control isn't up to the same effectiveness as a mouse, so you can't perform as well individually. So on consoles you are better off in being physically cohesive with your team

[hasty tinsel]

to take it a step further, a single squad has the damage potential of 6x an individual person on PC

[prime quartz]

console HLL is playing as Upham whereas PC is playing as Jackson. If this were Saving Private Ryan

[prime quartz]

so on PC you don't get a straight boost like that

[tall orchid]

maybe the console version should be called heck let loose

[prime quartz]

since you are mading trade offs of being more easily spotted

[covert wing]

Yes... and I prefer playing private ryan.

[hasty tinsel]

you don't it requires teamwork 😛

[tall orchid]

i understand it, but i still think its a weird thing to be.. 'proud' of?

[prime quartz]

console HLL is playing as Upham whereas PC is playing as Jackson. If this were Saving Private Ryan (edited)

[tall orchid]

an entire football team breaks their legs to reinforce how much they'll need to rely on each other to win games

[covert wing]

Proud? I am not proud of strawberries but I do love them.

[hasty tinsel]

the impact of an idividual player is magnified first by positioning, second by weapon, and third by skill shooting
if you are a single player with a k98 running face into a an american squad of BARs you are fucked no matter how easy it is to aim

[tall orchid]

having said that, i wouldn't mind the guns having a bit more recoil

[prime quartz]

No I just mean that on PC having a squad of 6 palyers isn't increasing the combat potential by 6x. Since you are making trade offs

[prime quartz]

really they need horizontal recoil

[covert wing]

Why not go a step further and use an aimbot... surely that is more effective.

[hasty tinsel]

but, you can offset those disadvantages by positioning

[tall orchid]

nah, the difference is skill-based

[prime quartz]

Also Franky mentioned having bullets lose accuracy at distance which would be helpful

e.g. past their effective range

so at 200 meters a 9mm round isn't perfectly accurate

[covert wing]

Yes and aiming with a controller requires more skill... which I like.

[prime quartz]

it desnt actually require more skill

since everyone is using the same tool

[hasty tinsel]

all the aiming being too easy means, if you get a flanking position, you can get the same result with pretty much any gun you use
therefore, meaning the difference in outcome is created by teamwork/combined arms

[signal harness]

different tools require different skills

[next oasis]

It would have to be sigificant enough to be felt in the typical engamgment distances, otherwise you'd just be screwing with numbers that don't actually make a difference

[prime quartz]

If you think of "skill" as an 6 story building.

console player skill bracket is basement to 4th floor while PC player skill brackect 3rd floor to 6th

[tall orchid]

being a great controller player is tantamount to being an abysmal m+k player

[prime quartz]

but you can't really compare them

directly since they are essentially in different categories

[covert wing]

It is harder to aim precisely and quickly with a controller but you can do it. It takes longer to learn and get good with it compared to a mouse.

[prime quartz]

but you can get far better with a mouse

[tall orchid]

one does not take more skill than the other - being good at controller = overcoming the inherent deficiencies from using that type of input method

[prime quartz]

so you have a much taller skill ceiling

[signal harness]

but again, its two incomparable tools and the skills to use them

[prime quartz]

what you are missing here @covert wing is that youare playing against other players

who are also using the same control scheme

[signal harness]

being skilled at a controller does not make you more skilled at using a mouse

[prime quartz]

so for Mouse you need to be better than on controller because the ceiling is much higher

you are more likely to run into players who are going trash you

even though the floor for mouse is higher too

[tall orchid]

its tantamount to saying i'm a good driver if i'm forced to use a pipe wrench to steer my truck instead of a steering wheel and i manage not to kill anyone on the way home. does not crashing into anyone in that scenario mean i'm as good a driver as, say.. lewis hamilton?

[supple mason]

Hmm

[covert wing]

And that skill ceiling with the mouse ruins games once you reach it. It makes the game less fun. Have played siege on both and PC is just a head shooting tent. Results in worse ganeplay.

[warm knot]

high skill level = worse gameplay

galaxy brain take

[tall orchid]

lol

[next oasis]

The games all about spawn bombing. The icing on that cake is that the shooting gameplay sucks too!

[covert wing]

No easy aiming is bad. The mouse is great for point and click adventure games though.

[signal harness]

also the refusal to take the discussion in its context, which is how to improve HLL.

i.e. better gunplay

[tall orchid]

well we've talked that one to death, we just like the discussion

and finding new ways to express our discontent with fresh examples

[covert wing]

Lol

[warm knot]

you know what's funny? needing aim assist to hit anything

[next oasis]

No! We are just as capable as mouse!

[tall orchid]

lemme get reductive - why is aim assist even a thing?

[covert wing]

Well I don't and hate games with heavy aim assist.

[tall orchid]

literally, why does it exist in any capacity?

answer honestly

[warm knot]

to help bad players get kills

[next oasis]

Because sticks can't even make a figure-8 on a wall

[signal harness]

yeah I know, but its really annoying to say "this would make the game better" then get "I am the best player ever" with some weird logic

[prime quartz]

https://streamable.com/2t4v7q

[next oasis]

There it is

[tall orchid]

lmfao

[covert wing]

Aim assist is a thing because developers just want hamster wheel gameplay.

Hate aim assist. It ruins games the same way by making aiming easy.

HLL has a good system though

[tall orchid]

Aim assist is a thing because developers just want hamster wheel gameplay.

this is equivocation. answer the question for real.

[prime quartz]

i love the whole fight leaned over followed by stumbling out the door like he'd been drinking all day

runs into the wall while exiting

[tall orchid]

still laughing at this

thank you for this wonderful gift

[warm knot]

HLL has a good system though
#console-feedback message
skip to 43s, you can just drag your aim through smoke or whatever and aim assist will slow your aim so you can fire at targets that you can't even see

[covert wing]

I did. Because it is from a time when controllers actually could not be precise and it was needed.

Today you can be very precise with a controller and not need aim assist. As to why... who knows. Habbit and making games easier because lazy people like easy and people today are lazy.

More games comming with no or very minimal aim assist so things may change

[prime quartz]

i don't know what they did between now and 2000 to make controllers more accurate

as far as I know literally nothing

[tall orchid]

you know why. allow yourself to say it.

you're with friends here.

you know the truth

[prime quartz]

the manufacture of controllers are the same as ever

[tall orchid]

say it

[warm knot]

DO IT

[tall orchid]

DO IIIIIT

[prime quartz]

arguably worse since they all have drift nowadays

[covert wing]

Lol clearæy you haven't played rhe game on console. The slowdown happends in a massive area and it does not really help. It is actually slightly annoying

[prime quartz]

cheaper manufacture

[tall orchid]

the truth is in your heart. you know why aim assist is a thing, even in games without PC crossplay.

[warm knot]

search your feelings console player, you know it to be true

[covert wing]

🤣 never because it is not more true than you playing with a mouse just because you do not like things to be hard.... exceot in the morning

[tall orchid]

oh, you sweet summer child

[warm knot]

someone's been roflstomped one too many times on PC

[prime quartz]

what I don't get is why consoles don't all use gyro aim

which is clearly superior

like literally its so good

but somehow Nintendo is teh only one to have figured this out

[signal harness]

he got CTE from it maybe

[prime quartz]

it boggles my mind

[covert wing]

Lol you're really getting out your school yard fabtasy... go easy tiger. You will get over it 🤣

[prime quartz]

Why does Nintendo have a competitive shooter that is full gyro enabled

[signal harness]

Nintendo is superior to all consoles tho

[prime quartz]

and no one else does?

[warm knot]

the legacy of the wii lives on

[prime quartz]

NintenDO what others don't

[warm knot]

also doesn't the ps5 have gyro aiming?

[prime quartz]

or whatever that old ad was

[prime quartz]

so what is weird

[warm knot]

GENESIS DOES WHAT NINTENDON'T

[prime quartz]

is that they do have gyro in the controller

[tall orchid]

lol FB and insta are down

i hope forever

[prime quartz]

but they don't use it for shooters

so like PS5 controllers have this extra cost to add the gyro

and then they literally just don't ever use it

baffling

[signal harness]

Nintendo got the last laugh on this though

[prime quartz]

It might be Xbox crossplay that is dragging down the Playstation

but iirc most Sony first party games also don't use gyro

[warm knot]

reminds me of the sony E3 2006 disaster where the presenter was almost throwing the controller up and down to get the gyro flight controls to work

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRqKffIjCDU

[prime quartz]

PSP!

[warm knot]

RIIIIIIIIIDGE RACER!

[prime quartz]

The PS3 had really bad aesthetic

[warm knot]

I would have liked to see the boomerang become reality

looked pretty comfy to hold

🤔

[dawn widget]

🤢

[covert wing]

Gyro sucks for games except games you only play when drunk and even then it does not even seem to work well.

[green hatch]

sorry for asking. can't find anything useful. where are the free DLCs and why did they remove the ability on steam to obtain them? is there another way to get them?

[prime quartz]

winter/summer?

those are time limited

[green hatch]

oh. too bad. thanks anyway

[prime quartz]

they open up in the summer/winter for a week or so

you just missed the summer for this year

[green hatch]

:/

[heavy wolf]

Hopefully I‘ll be able to see the enemies more often than in Battlefield V, I am going to play on a 4k60Hz Tv and it is like 2 meters away from me

[dawn widget]

a lot of target acquisition on HLL is from waiting & seeing movement

[heavy wolf]

ok sounds good

[dawn widget]

Any1 down to team up with me and play on ps5

[slim fractal]

Click icon on #readme-rules to access console version of #console-looking-for-unit

[dawn widget]

I did and I still don’t have the console version

[slim fractal]

Seems to be broken or offline. Oh well.

[dawn widget]

Rip

[primal obsidian]

Is there a city/big town kind of map?

[gloomy grove]

Carentan and Stalingrad.

Carentan can feel a bit like you're in tunnels in the town bit.

Stalingrad has been destroyed in game, so is not particularly built up

[primal obsidian]

Ok

Ty

[fallen crest]

No lobby for consoles?

[autumn rose]

Console qol will get better with U11 im sure

[ancient quest]

Your first mistake is playing in 4k. No wonder you don't see enemies. That's too much for your eyes to process. Put it to 1440 bet you do better. Drop it to 1080 and you will do a ton better. This isn't a run and gun game.

[prime quartz]

what?

[ancient quest]

Exactly as I said

[prime quartz]

For anyone reading this don't listen to him

[next oasis]

seriously

straight out of his rear end

[ancient quest]

Well.. when you have too much to look at. And I shoot you in the face. Because your eyes are too busy staring at the top right 1/4 of the screen and I was at the bottom left. You will understand right away.

[prime quartz]

lol

[ancient quest]

But it means something when people instantly respond on this discord server. It's usually quiet. I'm assuming it's the trolls I'm talking to.

[prime quartz]

you haven't been here long enough

but also

[ancient quest]

I've been here for 4 years?

[prime quartz]

lol

sure

[ancient quest]

I've been here since before the game released in beta for PC 4/3 years ago

[prime quartz]

but regardless your idea of how resolution works is actually busted

and one of the dumber things I've read in a while

maybe you need to get your eyesight checked

[ancient quest]

Tell me. How many pro gamers play In 4k. I'll actually wait.

They don't you know why. Frames win games. Not 4k eye candy. That's what gets you killed.

[next oasis]

is HLL a "pro" game

[prime quartz]

last time I checked (2020) it was about 120,000

and players in 4k had greater earnings than those at 1440p and 1080p

[ancient quest]

I doubt that. Actual proof. And not smoke. I'll wait

[prime quartz]

what is the size of your TV? You might be sitting too far away to get full benefit of the resolution

[prime quartz]

you have google

use it

[ancient quest]

See I don't need to

You are the one who has to prove his case.

[prime quartz]

at 6 feet (2 meters) you want a 110-120 inch screen

to get full benefit 4k

[ancient quest]

Until you have evidence to provide to the rest of the masses. Your words are empty as joe's brain.

[prime quartz]

if you have a 75" TV

you would want to be 5 feet away

[ancient quest]

Proof. Less smoke.

[prime quartz]

50" TV you would want to be something like 1 meter away

[ancient quest]

Again.

Proof

Show us proof.

[prime quartz]

🧂

You can find it

[ancient quest]

Where the website you are referring to.?

[next oasis]

Ok this guy doesn't understand

[ancient quest]

I don't need to find it. Your over here giving bad advice. That's why you don't provide it

[prime quartz]

found the item: https://www.rgb.com/sites/default/files/articles/viewingdistanceresolutioncomparison.jpg

I use this to setup my distance but essentially if you are too far away you aren't going to gain benefit from your higher resolution.

[next oasis]

It's ok. You don't understand what is being said.

[prime quartz]

So, for example, if you where 4 meters away from a 20" screen you wouldn't be able to tell the difference between 480p and 4k (2160p)

and again whatever you do don't listen to this insane guy

[ancient quest]

You do t understand how dpi works at all do you?

[next oasis]

you mean pixel per inch?

[ancient quest]

See I run the game on my absolutely beast of a machine. I run it at 1080. Because there's not as much to look at. And when I see movement. It wasn't something the size of a grain of salt. Also. I play with shadows off and all settings low or medium then. I turn the render distance up. Do you know why. Or does your 4k elite language fix that problem for you too?

Exactly

Trolls.

[prime quartz]

someone is trying to cope

can't afford 4k therefore it must be bad

[ancient quest]

I have 4k....

Lol

[prime quartz]

prove it

you cant

wow

[modern rampart]

so you play in 1080p on a 4k screen?

🥱

[ancient quest]

No. I upscale 1080 to 4k. Because it's sharper.

[modern rampart]

BS.

[prime quartz]

he can't eve prove he has one

[ancient quest]

You can actually see what's shooting at you vs these bf guys saying they can't see

You can't see because they are a grain of salt.

[prime quartz]

1080P https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.mvrXdfGUPWZBHjeh6NYSCAHaEK?pid=ImgDet&rs=1
4k: https://th.bing.com/th/id/R.602c4d639bf7857a451b6f09022a879a?rik=EpuPdFGn4mMr8A&pid=ImgRaw&r=0

[ancient quest]

4k makes the things on screen smaller. Sure you can see more. But effectively you see less. Because what's as small as an ant. Is now so small you could tell if it was dust blowing or a person sprinting

[prime quartz]

1080P https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.mvrXdfGUPWZBHjeh6NYSCAHaEK?pid=ImgDet&rs=1
4k: https://th.bing.com/th/id/R.602c4d639bf7857a451b6f09022a879a?rik=EpuPdFGn4mMr8A&pid=ImgRaw&r=0

[ancient quest]

You bing that? Dude this guy uses bing.no wonder hees delusional

[prime quartz]

uploaded to bing

[modern rampart]

I don't think he's the one, who is delusional here.

[prime quartz]

with my microsoft insider account

my game in 1080P https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.mvrXdfGUPWZBHjeh6NYSCAHaEK?pid=ImgDet&rs=1
My game in 4k: https://th.bing.com/th/id/R.602c4d639bf7857a451b6f09022a879a?rik=EpuPdFGn4mMr8A&pid=ImgRaw&r=0

explain the diff

see you can't

comeback with fax

[modern rampart]

📠

[dawn widget]

Probably not a good take in your opinions but I’d want North Africa rather than the pacific

[tidal yarrow]

https://tenor.com/view/both-agree-yes-good-gif-4591420

[dawn widget]

Yes

Both would be best

But if I had to pick I’d pick Africa

[tall orchid]

lol

i play on a 43" monitor

i aint usin 1080

[tidal yarrow]

I think we'll get Africa first w/ British/Aussie troops, then Japan in 2022/2023

Then maybe back to Europe with the Liberation of Italy

[modern rampart]

very unlikely

2022 Brits in Europe (most likely) or North Africa (pretty unlikely), 2023 at the earliest for the Pacific.

[tidal yarrow]

That makes sense, too

2023 for the Pacific seems likely for the earliest timeline

[tall orchid]

they're gonna round out eastern front before shifting back to western front iirc

so prob two more stalingrad maps, plus one or two more in different spots

then remagen + market garden stuff

[lyric trail]

Italy would be cool too

[modern rampart]

Yes, that is correct. We will certainly see more Eastern Front maps before we will get the Brits. Even though it is also likely that we will revisit the Western Front sooner than expected since there are still like 1-2 US vs. GER maps planned/in production, most likely Remagen.

[ancient quest]

Because the search engines are all that tells you the truth correct?

No game manufacturer or lcd manufacturer is going to say anything bad about higher resolutions because. Your money is what keeps them in business. Good reviews even on junk product is what you prolly listen to.

I actually repair the devices. I actually setup the stream rigs. I actually repair things all the way down to a reball.

Linus, that dude's paid to tell you good things. Look what happened with their last bad review.

The exact same happens with game reviews from fanboys who don't know what they are talking about.

You remind me if the guy suggesting mining a 55Mh 3090 vs getting a bit main at 200Th.

[spice tartan]

ok monitor guy

i went from 1080 to 1440 and see more

what the HECK is all that about

[uncut jasper]

I actually repair the devices. I actually setup the stream rigs. I actually repair things all the way down to a reball.

[spice tartan]

ya gotta do it with emojis now

just like the last ones

[tidal yarrow]

You guys are hostile over the dumbest shit lol

[spice tartan]

pff

stop it pizza

there is mockery, true

but am i hostile?

hardly

[spice tartan]

you forgot to add the cryptomining reference

[prime quartz]

His opinion is both wrong and misleading which is why its so bad

some poor person is gonna go "oh wow I guess I should play my game at 1080p"

when they have the option of 1440p/2160p

options that are actually pay-to-win

[uncut jasper]

The higher res, the better

In any FPS

Literally having more pixels showing you the enemy is an advantage

[prime quartz]

i think he is confusing resolution with FOV

or something

i dunno

its beyond my comprehension

[uncut jasper]

I read through most it, guy's full of it or trolling

[ancient quest]

Again I will say it. Pro gamers dont play in 4k for a reason. Why dont you ask them why.

Instead of forming a brigade of hate against me. For being right.

[tidal yarrow]

Depends on what you want

I want max frames

High refresh rate

I play at 1080px144

[hardy cedar]

if a monitor is full hd so each pixel is small, then i say 4k is better

if its a giant monitor with pixels big as potatos, then 4k is just meh

[ancient quest]

Same. I run 1080 at 144hz. I get right around 290FPS average.

This makes it so I see you on my 1080 resolution at 200 yards, before your system can even buffer the grass deco at 5ft

[warm plaza]

Really looking forward to the game releasing on ps5 tomorrow... Looking for. Squad

[tall orchid]

I 👁️ actually repair 🔧 the devices 🖥️

[tidal yarrow]

If I could run 1440p or higher at 144hz I would, but I'd have to upgrade the monitor situation

[ancient quest]

I can run up to 1440 before the frame drop kills the gameplay. After 1440 I drop below 160fps which makes me about on par with the average PC. But I don't shoot for par numbers. I shoot for well better than par. If it says I need 4gb. I'm feeding it 32.

If it says I need 8gb graphics I feed it 12+gb.

I saw somebody say without ssd it will skip..... No the sad really only decreases load time. He rest of the stuff who ld be stored in ram. Hence the reason the game has to load.

I could see it being an issue if you were running a terrible 5400rpm Seagate drive. Then I can see it maybe happening. But not with a standard 7200 rpm.

Now this is also affected by interface. Sure a sata3 HDD at 7200rom should be able to process at the 6gb/s. But it will never realistically hit these numbers. Then SSD was able to hit the number and keep it pegged. Then m.2 came out with its34gb/s. And now everybody is scrambling for the m.2 speed.

Unless your game has to load instantly, you don't need the SSD. It just takes longer for it to load all the required files into ram.

[cobalt bronze]

I hope everyone is having a great day

[autumn rose]

Ye

We do be in the hospital doe

[uncut jasper]

If it needs the unga, I give it the bunga. Grug talk very smartly for boneheads

[spice tartan]

great start

[tall orchid]

it is yours to complete

[spice tartan]

i run my game at 32x32 resolution so all the enemies are humongous blobs THATS HOW THE PROS DO IT AND I REPAIR THEIR CALCULATORS

IF YOUR RESOLUTION ISNT 1x1 DO YOU EVEN SEE

[spice tartan]

I 👁️ actually repair 🔧 the devices. 💻 I actually 🤔 setup ✍️ the stream 👨‍💻 rigs. I 👀 actually 🗣️ repair ⚒️ things💍 👞 🌂 all ♾️ the way🛤️ down 👇 to a reball ⛹️‍♀️ . You 👁️ remind 🤔 me if ❓ the guy 🧔‍♂️ suggesting 🗣️ mining ⛏️ a 55Mh 3090 ❌🥶 ❌ vs getting a bit main 🥵 ♨️ at 200Th 🤑

[tall orchid]

gorgeous

[stuck cargo]

So many emojis

Scares me

[spice tartan]

please dont call the mods

[bleak path]

Hello! Literally just bought the game and am waiting for it to download, what do I need to know

[glad pasture]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaY27yiOPPA

[bleak path]

Thanks!!

[slim fractal]

Which platform?

[bleak path]

PC

[inner patrol]

Which platform is weird to hear

[slim fractal]

It really is

New era

[crude hinge]

Hello
Im new to the game ant good hints

[crude bramble]

wait its on console now? cursed

[turbid dawn]

The video @glad pasture posted above is a good place to start @crude hinge

[crude hinge]

Thx mate

[turbid dawn]

mono has a lot of great videos for different roles etc

[dawn widget]

wa

[stuck cargo]

Xbox

Give me the role

[dawn widget]

sem

[turbid dawn]

#readme-rules Click the logo

[uncut jasper]

Mega based

[modern rampart]

well done. I love that this thing is catching on more and more. Especially since this example was perfect for turning it into tasty pasta. 🤌🏽 🍝

[remote holly]

someone buy my last two kickstarters preorder dlc keys so i can feed my starving kids this month.
(each comes with STEAM EARLY ADOPTER - SILVER VANGUARD DLC, NKVD NO RETREAT DLC, LETHAL TIDE DLC, HELMET PACK DLC)

[unkempt storm]

literally banned

[dawn widget]

Looking for experience players on xbox to play with. US - East

[silk robin]

Will I get the iron vanguard pack when the game comes out?

[cobalt bronze]

Well I’ve only played the trial but my main tips? Be careful, tactical, use cover/defilade and watch your surroundings.

[cobalt bronze]

I’m hoping so, I preordered it as well

[cobalt bronze]

Well considering it’s just releasing/released today/tonight how experienced can we be? XD

[dawn widget]

Depends tbh, some are completely new to this style of game and some have played similar games on pc in the past

[cobalt bronze]

Point taken, this game in particular reminds me of heroes and generals to be honest only more in depth.

[cloud dove]

Anyone playing hell let loose on PlayStation?

[rare iris]

Need unit for ps5

[cobalt bronze]

Just a heads up Xbox and ps5 can play together

[cloud dove]

i see my bad

[cobalt bronze]

You’re all good! Just wanted to make sure you knew

[lavish ledge]

hi, i'm on ps5, as infantry how to check how many magazine left? don't know which button thx :p

[rancid badge]

I’m assuming ps5 mic is an current issue rn right

[shell plover]

Anybody else having trouble with the servers?

[cobalt bronze]

How much I’m not sure I think the really went for realism so you don’t really know how many bullets you have left just the amount of magazines you have

[zenith burrow]

[lavish ledge]

i'm aware of that yes, but i can't find button to show how many magazines i have left, it's not shown in controller's scheme neither

[spice tartan]

is there a 'toggle HUD' button?

[cobalt bronze]

I see mine in the bottom right corner

[cobalt bronze]

Yes there is

I have my hud on at all times in my settings

[spice tartan]

okay so he just has to turn on HUD

[cobalt bronze]

Purty much since the hud starts off as toggle which if I’m right should be with the right on the d-pad if on console

[turbid dawn]

It's Hold Right on the D-Pad for Xbox. I assume it's the same on PS5

[lavish ledge]

ah, it is holding right button for toggling hud, thanks for sharing the information @turbid dawn and thanks all for replying @cobalt bronze @spice tartan @rancid badge you guys are awesome👍

[cobalt bronze]

No problem!

[turbid dawn]

No worries. There's an option in the settings to decide how long it stays up too, if you feel the default 30s is too long

[tall umbra]

Suche squad für Ps5 einfach DM

I search a squad dm me

[dry sandal]

Searching for Squadmates for our Squad

[weary crypt]

I'm interested!

[tall orchid]

playing the game with a fulltime HUD is shit-tier

turn that bitch off

[stuck cargo]

For me hud is turned off but if you hold the right D-pad then it shows up again

[dawn widget]

@tall orchid replying to message sent in #pc-feedback my friend hit the storage rack which was mounted on the back side of the engine itself

and the second shot fired after that was not great but it was the side of the turret and in theory should have pen

[tall orchid]

the storage rack does not have armor values. its a passthrough, and hits the top lip of the rear armor

like i said in feedback, he should have aimed lower and to the right to hit the rear armor

[dawn widget]

i guess he didnt do his homework and only use common sense

[tall orchid]

his turret shot hit the front turret armor, which is non-pen

[hybrid sequoia]

This menu music is 10/10 😂😂

[verbal pebble]

is there any info on when/if server browser will be coming to console?

[tall orchid]

@dawn widget he should do his homework. tankopedia and the tank bible are both excellent resources

[hybrid sequoia]

Theres so much stuff in this field manual dang 😯😯

[tall orchid]

https://icilia95.wixsite.com/tankopedia
https://theline.gg/tankbible

[dawn widget]

the hitboxes still doesnt make any sense

[tall orchid]

shrug

its the system we have

[dawn widget]

yeah so thats why am asking them to change it

[tall orchid]

they won't

may as well learn the system we have, you know?

[dawn widget]

so ok in short its not a janky hitbox its just stupid ?

[tall orchid]

thats one way to put it, sure

[dawn widget]

whats the other way ?

also thx for the links

[tall orchid]

the other way to put it is despite there being a wealth of knowledge on how to engage specific armor, your friend wasted the chance for an easy kill by shooting non-penetrable spots

as a tanker i get the frustration, i really do

but this is the house we live in 🙂

i have armor weakspots and shots to kill by tank type memorized so i can avoid that sort of frustration

once you memorize that, start memorizing the actual inflicted damage values so when you get hit, you can quickly check hull, track, and turret HP values and know exactly what hit you and where

[candid cove]

Just hopped on my first game (Playstation) and barely anyone on comms.
Are there any groups based in South East Asia? :)

[viscid ingot]

Was running round with the kar98 sniper

What an insane round

[plain oyster]

Yeah I had the same problem no-one on comms in Europe either

[dawn widget]

Why is there no berlin map

[tall orchid]

cause they haven't made one yet

[dawn widget]

Make sense

I keep getting this for some reason. Can someone explain this?

[hybrid sequoia]

Cant argue with that I guess 😂

[verbal pebble]

i think a tutorial would be great for new console players... otherwise, i can see a lot of them getting fed up and just deleting the game since there's quite a learning curve

[hybrid sequoia]

I'm watching a starting guide now because I have no clue what the objective even was other than kill enemy lol

This dude 😂😂🤦‍♂️

[signal harness]

They should really add links to the community tutorials and guides to the field manual. Also check pinned messages in this channel

[hybrid sequoia]

I read through all the field manual but if I dont actually see it demonstrated, I'm not gonna understand it

[tall orchid]

you've got a handful of PC players here with thousands of hours of experience happy to answer questions

[hybrid sequoia]

I hear one match lasts 1.5 hours...did I hear that right?

[tall orchid]

they can last that long, yes

or they can last 20 minutes

in warfare mode you're given 90 minutes to capture all objectives

in offensive mode the attacking team is given 30 minutes to capture an objective, and the timer resets once an objective is captured

[hybrid sequoia]

Man...they even made the map you look at realistic and not some cod mini map

[tall orchid]

yep!

[hybrid sequoia]

Ok so what's this fuel, manpower and munitions stuff for

[tall orchid]

commander abilities and call-ins. each team generates an ambient +10 fuel, manpower, and munition every minute

each node built by engineers generates an additional +10, with a max of +40/m for all three types

fuel is used to call in tanks and vehicles

manpower is used for things like airheads, point reinforcing

munitions are used for bombing runs, strafing runs, recon planes, and supply drops. artillery and AT gun rounds also consume munitions

[rustic lodge]

each NODE generates

[tall orchid]

right, each node

one player can build one set of three nodes, so you need three players to spawn as engineer to max your generation

[hybrid sequoia]

So only the commander has access to call all those in?

[tall orchid]

without nodes, the commander can't really do much to help the team

right

[hybrid sequoia]

Well dang no wonder my team lost the game i played...there was no commander lol

[tall orchid]

artillery guns are static, and AT guns are built by the level 6 AT loadout

[rustic lodge]

tanks auto spawn as well although only respawns strating tank that died

[tall orchid]

technically you can win without a commander, but the team needs to be on the ball

[silver umbra]

Why does the truck keep stopping even when I'm holding the throttle down? Anyone know what I'm doing wrong?

[hybrid sequoia]

Yeah I see this game doesnt give you any indication on when you've killed an enemy...I wasted so much ammo shooting at a tree when I already shot the guy behind it lol

[tall orchid]

there's an audio cue when you land a hit or a headshot

depending on what type of weapon you're using and the range you're using it, you can generally tell if you've killed someone

[maiden ginkgo]

so as someone who sucks at communicating but is better at just getting orders and carrying them out, is there a recommeded role to stick to? i want to play the game and be useful to the team, but talking just isnt my strong suit

[hybrid sequoia]

Anything but officer or commander I suppose

[tall orchid]

mmhm

i'd probably stay out of tanks and recon units, too

those roles need to talk to be effective

[normal plaza]

Rifleman or Machine Gunner is perfect

[tall orchid]

this damage table is pretty accurate, if you're curious about hits to kill

https://www.reddit.com/user/AstroManInSpace/comments/kfnikg/hittokill_analysis_patch_14/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

the kar98, g43, and m1 garand are all OHK to the body up to 200m

as well as the springfield, which isn't listed

[signal harness]

Support is a very important role. Just place your supplies wherever the SL or engineer asks.

[tall orchid]

once you unlock the second loadout for support, you're the ultimate utility class.

you can drop supplies, regular ammo, and explosive ammo

absolutely invaluable on the battlefield

an officer with a dedicated support guy in his squad can quite literally turn the tide of a battle - garrisons are everything in HLL

if you run officer, your first priority beyond literally everything else is to make sure your team has plenty of garrisons to spawn at

[maiden ginkgo]

ok fair, machine gunner and support definitely sound more up my alley, i dont have the best aim so not sure on rifleman, but i do enjoy providing for the people who can do it better than me.

[viscid ingot]

80 kill streak hehehe

[tall orchid]

i can't stress how important garrisons are to winning games

[maiden ginkgo]

support is def sounding the route for me tho

[viscid ingot]

Smh wrong screenshot

[signal harness]

As a new player support will help you learn the ropes because you interact the most with other roles

supplies for garrisons, ammo for MG, explosive ammo for AT, etc.

[tall orchid]

you're everyone's best friend

[frail aspen]

Do nodes have to be placed in specific areas?

[tall orchid]

no, you get +10 anywhere you place them

BUT

you lose nodes if the sector they're placed in is captured

[frail aspen]

Ahh ok, that was one thing that really weren't clear to me

[tall orchid]

current meta on PC is:
use supply truck, drive into start of 3rd sector, drop supplies, build nodes in 2nd sector
find support friend, stay in HQ for a few minutes at match start, build nodes there

if a support player is inside the radius around a manpower node, his supply drop cooldown is cut in half

if he's inside the radius of a munitions node, his regular and explosive ammo cooldown is cut in half

from 5 minutes to 2.5

[frail aspen]

Oh lovely

[tall orchid]

so if you're building nodes in spawn at the start of a match, start with a manpower node

[signal harness]

very important for building defenses if you go that route. Build a manpower node on your defense objective and get that cooldown

[hasty tinsel]

also keep in mind your supplies are not perisitent

[tall orchid]

true

[hasty tinsel]

if you place supplies as support, you can only have one box in existence at a time

[dawn widget]

Am I the only one that is getting a matchmaking error?

[hasty tinsel]

so if you place and they don't get used, and place a new box it moves the old one

[tall orchid]

good for slapping down tier 1 fortifications, after that you're better off using a supply truck

since upgrades cost so damn much

[signal harness]

yes

[maiden ginkgo]

was about to ask what you meant by that, so prioritize manpower on defense?

[signal harness]

not necessarily, its a benefit, but that requires higher level communication

[tall orchid]

if you're fortifying an area as an engineer and you have a support guy helping with supplies, it's good to build a manpower node to decrease the supply cooldown

[signal harness]

you will need a support + engineer working in tandem

[tall orchid]

but tbh if im fortifying, i've got a guy running a supply truck back and forth for me

as well as requesting supply drops from the commander

[modern rampart]

if you are building a set of nodes, you should always build manpower first, precisely because of the supplies cooldown

[tall orchid]

assuming you have a support guy helping you, yes

[signal harness]

for those joining: tl;dr play support as a new player to help your team and learn the ropes

[tall orchid]

if you're dropping a crate from a supply truck by yourself, build whatever you want first

[modern rampart]

yeah, I was thinking of the Support + Engineer combo

[tall orchid]

definitely yeah

[maiden ginkgo]

ok ok i get it, so as support IM the one driving stuff to where it needs to be, the engineer decideds what happens to it

[modern rampart]

not necessarily, Engineers can and should also drive supply trucks

[signal harness]

in this scenario you would be assisting the engineer while a 3rd player drives the truck

[modern rampart]

since they are the ones, who place blueprints and can build stuff without the help of a support soldier

especially if you are building higher level defenses, a support is not gonna help as much as a full supply truck

[tall orchid]

ultimately, the most important thing to know about nodes is this - build them as far back as you can, preferably in the same sector as your last capture point

if you build them at midpoint and your team loses midpoint, your nodes are gone

[signal harness]

but again, this is fairly specific to defense construction. In terms of general gameplay you just want to stick with your SL and squad and drop supplies and ammo as needed

If you do this you will learn a ton about the game by helping other classes

You will see where to place garrisons, how to use AT, map control, etc. all by helping other players

[tall orchid]

example of node placement on carentan

[tidal yarrow]

You can build nodes behind your own lines?

[tall orchid]

you can use supplies up to 50m away

yes

[tidal yarrow]

Oh wow I didn't know that

[tall orchid]

but you can't drop supplies from a supply truck inside the first two columns (except in some weird circumstances)

so you drive into the third, drop supplies, and run back and build your nodes

that way if the enemy captures, say, pumping station

your nodes dont vanish, and you have resources available for the defense of blactot, or 502nd start

[signal harness]

the same is true for garrisons

[tall orchid]

^^

[tidal yarrow]

That's really good info thx

[tall orchid]

bet

[signal harness]

if you are close to the line, its better to have them back in your second row than the third

[maiden ginkgo]

ok i see, putting it into practice will make it a bit clearer for sure. support defintily seems like just be where i am needed and yknow, support and things will be good. im sure theres plenty more nuance to it that ill have questions about later on, youve all been super helpful tho, i appreciate it

[broken dawn]

where do you get the supplies to take?

[tall orchid]

supply trucks in spawn

[broken dawn]

and there already loaded with supplies?

[tall orchid]

yep

2 crates, 150 supplies per crate

[signal harness]

There are supply trucks (covered with a tarp) which carry two boxes of 150 supplies. Or support players have one box of 50 supplies

[tall orchid]

garrison placement is important too, moreso that node placement.

consider

say you're defending brewery

you don't want to put garrisons directly on the strongpoint, since thats what gets hit by bombing runs most often

you want a dispersion of garrisons around brewery, plus a backup garrison in case you lose the point that also acts as a spawnpoint for defending volga
the only spawnpoints that should be inside a strongpoint are outposts

[signal harness]

once you drop the supplies you can return to the HQ ammo station and resupply the truck as well

[tall orchid]

the most valuable player on a team is the guy proactively building garrisons, full stop

sometimes you'll see commanders doing this with a supply truck and drops, which is the mark of a legitimately great commander

but most of the time garrison building falls to the officers. do this proactively (without being asked) and you can quite literally be the reason your team wins

cannot stress this enough

build. garrisons.

[signal harness]

which goes back to support being the best class for a new player learning the ropes. Stick with your SL, drop supplies, and build garries

[tall orchid]

truth

an officer with a support guy in tow building garrisons is an absolute boon for the team

[signal harness]

every 5 minutes (or 2.5 minutes if you are getting the manpower node cooldown) you should remind your SL that you have supplies to build a new garrision

[modern rampart]

I'd say Rifleman or Medic are also great beginner classes but also less useful than Support.

[signal harness]

I would agree, but I hate having a squad with no support player and having multiple riflemen.

[silver umbra]

Cant even use supply trucks people just tk you and steal it

[signal harness]

sorry to hear that

unfortunately, server admin or vote kick is the only solution atm

[warm knot]

the official server experience

[silver umbra]

The games just loaded with degenerates

[modern rampart]

That's very true.

[signal harness]

most FPSs are

[silver umbra]

No point even trying to be useful

[tall orchid]

play on PC 🙂

we have community servers with admins that actively respond to shit like that

[silver umbra]

I would play on pc but my friends only have ps5s

[tall orchid]

degenerates

[oblique oxide]

Also free on ps5 atm;)

[silver umbra]

I don't think its a game for the playstation audience tbh

[spice tartan]

Agreed

[rocky river]

Is this aiming system the definitive one, or are there planned updates for it? It's incredibly inefficient with a controller

[tall orchid]

i'd say the definitive aiming system is M+K 😛

[silver umbra]

If I could play it on ps5 with a kbm I'd probably like it more, it just doesn't feel right

[rocky river]

Do you have better advice than telling anyone to play on PC?

[spice tartan]

He doesnt

[tall orchid]

none whatsoever, other that offering gameplay advice to people that are hell bent on playing it on console

[spice tartan]

Hes a bad man

[tall orchid]

❤️

[signal harness]

what would be better? how would you solve this problem?

[tall orchid]

its quite literally the answer to all these little frustrations y'all are dealing with

[spice tartan]

Dno youd have to talk to devs

[tall orchid]

which is lol, cause the console devs aren't even in here

[spice tartan]

Sshh its a puzzle adventure game to find the devs

[silver umbra]

There should be a tutorial imo

[rocky river]

I feel like the response curve is very strange. It seems like the input value is a bit too high with minimal movement of the stick. Unfortunately I'm not a developer and I don't know the specifics, but it feels too sensitive with the minimal adjustments you need to make on long range shooting. And when you lower the ads sensitivity, you just cannot compete in close quarters. A middle ground would be great for sure. I'm definitely enjoying this game but the aiming is the most frustrating thing about it for now

[tall orchid]

yeah. we've been saying that for years

[signal harness]

Who at Flix though having a pregnancy test as an emoji logo was a good idea?

[tall orchid]

they aren't going to offload the server architecture, so there's no way to create an offline tutorial

we won't get mapmaking tools, so there's no way for the PC community to create custom tutorial maps

[silver umbra]

Yeah pretty shitty, squad has a tutorial for everything

[tall orchid]

short of little tooltips during the death screen or on the main menu, all you're gonna get is content creator stuff

[signal harness]

are you able to lower ADS sensitivity without adjusting non ADS sensitivity?

[silver umbra]

If I hadn't played hundreds of hours of squad I wouldn't have a clue what to do, they'll lose a lot of players to that probably

[rocky river]

It's what I'm doing, 60% non ads sens and around 10% ads sens. But this way I'm fucked every time I find someone very close to me

[tall orchid]

like this?
https://streamable.com/2t4v7q

[rocky river]

Yeah basically

[signal harness]

Sorry, don't know how to fix it for you. Not to be snide, but mouse and keyboard doesn't have this issue because mouse input is much more controllable than joysticks

i.e. I can move the mouse as much or as little as I want. Although I have a similar sensitivy change for ADS vs non ADS

[rocky river]

No worries, just wanted to understand if there would be improvements or if this is what we will have forever

[signal harness]

If you want change then you need to make your voice heard to the devs. Not saying they will listen, but it won't change if you do nothing

[tall orchid]

cough outpost shine cough

[signal harness]

yep

but red zone garrisons were a cry from the community

[tall orchid]

true

[signal harness]

which was a mistake

and TTK changes

[rocky river]

I'll try giving them feedback for sure, I'm 100% sure I'm not the only one getting frustrated by such an underdeveloped aiming system for controllers

[signal harness]

also a mistake

[rocky river]

Maybe the'll listen

[tall orchid]

they definitely listened re: aim assist

looks like they're gonna make it a toggle

im curious what map rotation the console servers are using

[signal harness]

SO my point is that they have made bad changes to the game, because of crying from some in the community. I have seen console players scream about aim assist and they are making changes. As I nonconsole player I have no idea if those will be good or bad. It might fix your problem or make it worse. I would hate to see them repeat themselves and cave to initial tantrums and make a change for the worse. I am speaking from experience. If you have a problem and think other players do too, try to make decent feedback to get it addressed. It might not, but its better than doing nothing. Also contrary to the claims that this game is released its is very much still in an early access state.

[rocky river]

I try being positive about this game even tho I'm very new and just downloaded it on PS5. It's this month's free game for PS Plus. I feel like this aiming system is seriously ruining its chances to get popular on consoles. It feels very basic and not optimized, hoping it's just an initial state. But they knew for a while this game would have been free on PS, and they released it with this absurd aiming system. That's worrying for sure. If it won't change I'll just uninstall and move on instead of frustrating myself for nothing. And that's a shame because the game seems very fun and I've been waiting for a while now to play it, seeing lots of gameplays on YouTube. Well, we'll see how it develops

[signal harness]

It is a great game, it just needs more tlc. good luck!

[atomic pulsar]

Probably the same as the official PC servers - all maps, all versions

[dawn widget]

I've had no issues with aiming.

[tall orchid]

they said "it will go through different modes of same map."

like hill400 warfare, hill400 axis offensive, hill40 allied offensive

fucking yikes

[signal harness]

🤢

[fast edge]

Hell let loose looks so good, i wish i can get it someday

Do you guys recommend

[warm knot]

depends

[fast edge]

It looks really good, im gonna try to get it whenever i can but might take some time lmao

[tall orchid]

recommend on PC

do not recommend on console

[fast edge]

Yeah im on pc

[tall orchid]

attaboy

[signal harness]

HLL is the best WWII shooter on the market atm

[fast edge]

Its really expensive tho

[signal harness]

wait until xmas sale?

[tall orchid]

$30 on steam

not that bad

[fast edge]

$30 is a lot 😂

[signal harness]

maybe fall sale?

[warm knot]

RO2 still exists

[signal harness]

true but not super active

[fast edge]

Whats RO2?

[warm knot]

red orchestra 2

[signal harness]

only the best WWII shooter ever hands down

the definitive experience

[fast edge]

i remember seeing that game ages ago

[tall orchid]

you mean BF5? woooooord

[warm knot]

still holds up today

[signal harness]

It does

[fast edge]

it looks great for a 10 year old game

[signal harness]

the gunplay is divine

[fast edge]

Do people still play it?

[signal harness]

a few. You'd probably have better luck with RS2

[fast edge]

Meh

Cant afford any of that anyways, saving for HLL

[signal harness]

but that's Vietnam not WWII

Also they're probably due for a free weekend soon

[fast edge]

rs2?

[signal harness]

HLL

[fast edge]

ooh

[signal harness]

last one was May I think

[low fog]

Are there any helpful guides anywhere for new players?

[inner patrol]

What platform

[low fog]

Ps5

[inner patrol]

I got a good one let me get you a link

I messaged it to you

[autumn rose]

RO2 should be used as a guide for good feature implementations and not just an alternative at this point

A perfect canvas for feature parallels and improvement

[errant swallow]

https://youtu.be/LaY27yiOPPA

[mellow sierra]

Just downloaded the game anybody wanna play
15
English
Have a mic

[low fog]

Thanks!

[trail python]

Pretty much bootstrapped me entirely into this game, thank you again for your quality contributions @errant swallow 👍

[junior pine]

does anyone know if HLL is crossplay with PC and console??

[warm knot]

it is not

[lusty raft]

I think the console crossplay is just console only crossplay

So xbox crossplaying with PS

[junior pine]

thanks mate

shame I was gonna buy it on PC to play with my mates

[errant swallow]

Hey no problem! I'm trying to make sure the console crowd gets a good experience in the game

[signal harness]

check pinned messages in this channel

[woeful briar]

Hi, I was wondering how do you play the offensive game mode on ps5?

[violet idol]

@junior pine buy it anyway

[hardy birch]

Can commanders build garry’s?

[modern rampart]

Yes, they absolutely can (and should).

[orchid vault]

no kill feed no hit markers?

[hasty tinsel]

ermagursh

[dawn widget]

Can I message the devs about this problem of me getting matchmaking errors please? I’ve tried using the support forums but they aren’t helping

[spice tartan]

there are hit sounds

so you can still tell if you shot someone quite far away

[hasty tinsel]

hit sounds turn off after some distance

maybe around 100 yards

[spice tartan]

and if they were deep in bushery

its still absurdly long distance

way beyond "i should be able to hear him being hit"

[turbid dawn]

Nope!

[hasty tinsel]

true

[orchid vault]

its supposed to be for realism?

[woeful chasm]

Why is it not on ps4 😥

I really want to play it cuz it looks awesome. I don't get why they wouldn't put it on ps4 so they get more players

[fleet frost]

Honestly I think the ps4 would have a real hard time running the game at any reasonable level. Between the map size, and player count alone I can already hear my ps4 wheezing.

[turbid dawn]

That's a large part of it. It's supposed to be a hardcore, tactical shooter. I guess also the focus shouldn't be on kills and more on objectives so not having that feedback that you got a kill plays into that

[woeful chasm]

They could like do something to make it not run the ps4 hard, right?

[tall orchid]

render it at 460p

[woeful chasm]

Yea what he said

[tall orchid]

you asked a technical question

do you want a technical answer or some bullshit

[fleet frost]

It would be awesome to have the expanded playerbase, but to get it running on ps4 would likely require a lot of concessions that the devs probably just don't think would be worth it or would introduce problems.

[prime quartz]

processor probably can't handle it

[woeful chasm]

A technical answer

[vernal vale]

If they could run if effectively on PS4 they would, as more players means more consumers but it's not logistically possible.

There's already several comprises to benchmark it well on Next-Gen and whilst things will optimize in time more demanding features will also be implemented.

[woeful chasm]

Oh ok. Well I was so ready for it when the leaks came out

It sounded cool then I was disappointed when it was only for ps5

Oh well guess I will miss out

[vernal vale]

I'm sure the game will still have a player base when you finally move to Next-Gen.

[woeful briar]

Hey, how do you play "offensive" on ps5?

[errant swallow]

yes, it should be their absolute priority. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B96P5_xmRq4

[prime quartz]

The best TL I ever had was entirely mute

just ran around the map placing garrisons

[gloomy grove]

Chum would stop you there and ask for his name and number, he needs to be in their squad every game

[uncut wolf]

98% of command job is garrisons and using abilities

the other 2% is trying to corral some monkeys into actually defending

[warm knot]

[errant swallow]

I'd say 80% of all matches are lost by either not having proper garrisons or failing to hit redeploy when the enemy is capping your point to fall back and defend

[uncut wolf]

definitely

[prime quartz]

yea for the most part you don't actually need to communicate

just decent game sense

with my mute TL we always had good backup garrisons people could naturally spawn at

[uncut wolf]

I think there's a nice idea that maybe the command can actually assign squads and plan warfare properly

it's a complete myth though

nobody will listen to you or do their job if you try to be an actual strategist

[prime quartz]

Part of the issue is that a lot of the complexity exists essentially to market the game

and doesn't pay off

So like I was once in a squad with a guy who wanted us to do bounding overwatch and he kept trying to get use to move in teams

[uncut wolf]

really the best you can hope for is convincing a squad to stay on defense. and by squad I mean 3 people because the other 3 have no mics and have fucked off doing god knows what while the rest of the squad defends

[prime quartz]

that requires a lot of effort to work and the pay off is very low

so you just don't do it

[prime quartz]

you mean 1 guy?

lol

[broken dawn]

so generally whats the role of the commander sorry just played and people got bit mad coz didnt realise i could place garrisons lol but i never knew i could haha

[prime quartz]

You place garrisons and call in bombing runs

[errant swallow]

Commander guide https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B96P5_xmRq4

[prime quartz]

is essentially it

[broken dawn]

thanks!

[uncut wolf]

highly recommend not playing command till you get a more experience in the game, assuming that you're new

same with squad lead

[prime quartz]

well in order:

• place garrisons
• call in strike
• call in vehciles
• use harry potter abilities to spam resources

SL you can play anytime

difficulty is overstated

SL the only thing you need to do is place OPs

and hten just play as normal

the difficulty is game sense of good OP placement

[errant swallow]

@prime quartz how many hours do you have in this game?

You're giving out really bad advice there

[prime quartz]

600 hours

or maybe a bit more

played since EA release

[errant swallow]

SL only need to place OPs?

[prime quartz]

its not bad advice though

Yes

[errant swallow]

That's bad advice

[prime quartz]

you can do more but its really all you need

no

its not

There is no limit (effective limit) on infantry squads

so not every SL needs to be top kick

you need a handful of SLs to do that

[errant swallow]

SLs need to build garrisons primarily and use their OPs as an extension of those garrisons

[prime quartz]

but most of them just need to place OPs

[errant swallow]

When SLs don't build garrisons, the team loses

[prime quartz]

if you have an OP up time of like 75% you are better than most Squad Leaders

[prime quartz]

Yes, but again infantry SLs are infinite

there isn't a limit to them so not every SL needs to be 100% on the ball

[dark birch]

We’re all friends here boys it’s all good

[prime quartz]

you are lucky to have SLs who reliably place Outposts

like that is unusual

so if you are able to do that you are above average

garrisons are gravy

and there is this whole "don't play SL because its hard' when its really not that hard. ALl you need to do is place Ops and you are better than most.

[dark birch]

He knows

[errant swallow]

SLs placing Ops is as bare minimum as people shooting at the enemy. You shouldn't tell people to do the absolute bare minimum.
SLs should build garrisons, especially once they reach a good area in the red zone. Commander can help garrison upkeep in the backline and stuff.
Matches where SLs don't build garrisons are an absolute disgrace to play in. Please don't tell people it's ok to just scrape by and not engage in any team-aspect of the game as SL. You're encouraging people to be mediocre.

It's not like building garrisons is rocket science

Any SL that doesn't build garrisons is a bad SL and should learn to actually play as SL.

[prime quartz]

SLs placing Ops is as bare minimum as people shooting at the enemy. You shouldn't tell people to do the absolute bare minimum.

If you play the game its very clearly not the bare minimum. The bare minimum is some dude running around placing an OP once every 10 minutes if you are lucky. Like again if you think of it as Outpost up time most SLs are below 50% up time. If you are playing SL and manage above 50% up time then they are doing fantastically.

[uncut wolf]

Lots of people play squadlead just to have their own personal OP and good guns. It's unfortunate

Better than a squad without a squadlead

but still unfortunate

[next oasis]

Stating what the bare minimum is is pretty sound. SLs needing to place OPs is the bare minimum because that is completely within their ability and not dependant on anyone else.
Most don't even do that.

[prime quartz]

^

[errant swallow]

Again, I don't know where it is you're playing, but I very rarely see squads without OPs up