mess-hall

[worthy charm]

https://klipy.com/gifs/mike-wazowski-monsters-inc-10

[cosmic pilot]

We need more hll maps

[worthy charm]

I cant tell honestly

[arctic rampart]

My buddy wanted me to try Marvel Rivals... and ngl, it's absolute dogwater. Crap is just flashing left and right in many different colors on my screen

[arctic rampart]

Yes, yes it was.

[cosmic pilot]

Dog water, is that a new shooter

[arctic rampart]

It's the new sims

[worthy charm]

There is a new sims?

[arctic rampart]

No clue. I don't have a gf that plays it :/

Then I would know for sure

[worthy charm]

Now this chat is kinda sad

bruh

[arctic rampart]

North Eastern EU servers are hard bro.
It's not like NA servers where it's easy mode 24/7

[slate canopy]

I cannot get into Marvels despite loving Overwatch.

[arctic rampart]

Hated one and I'm starting to hate the other as well

Overwatch has also been critized for becoming a flashing light party of combat in recent times and Marvel Rivals isn't any better, I'd say it's even worse

The main menu kind of gives it away.

[worthy charm]

Never got into Marvel rivals either

I dont have to motivation or reaction time to get into a game like this

Like if I want to be bad at a game I can just keep playing lol

[nova pivot]

They are sht

[obtuse dragon]

bro has never played deadlock and tf2

[runic gorge]

tf2 is mid

[obtuse dragon]

literally any game with a class system can count as a hero shooter, including hll if you really try

[livid verge]

when you got sniped so many times, you dont even wanna spawn in anymore

https://tenor.com/view/paul-bäumer-looking-broken-as-he-stares-ahead-to-the-battlefield-all-quiet-on-the-western-front-paul-bäumer-paul-baumer-all-quiet-on-the-western-front2022-gif-27564153

[finite berry]

(spawn somewhere else)

[livid verge]

https://tenor.com/view/hiromi-higuruma-jjk-hiromi-son-sanrioomi-gif-118710486351767001

[nova pivot]

Plants Vs zombies garden warfare is the only good one

[icy ore]

~wik

[spring tulip]

Is the experimental branch hosting the new map still? or is it over?

[slate canopy]

It should be going till Monday morning?

[spring tulip]

Nice! wasn't sure

[slate canopy]

Usually it's all weekend long

[wintry forum]

Sup fellas

[azure ether]

Horse

[winged lichen]

Hello

[nova pivot]

Hello

[agile basin]

When’s U20? I’ve been deliberately avoiding playing until it drops because I assume it’s extremely soon

[fossil reef]

Hello

[slate canopy]

It's out on beta test right now on steam on experimental

[agile basin]

See the thing that worries me about experimental branch is that apparently, there’s just never anyone on it

[hardy sphinx]

is there a reason why we cant drop supplies off in the first two squares with a truck

[covert elbow]

Nodes

[vale pebble]

Anyone else having issues when loading in without the correct load out?

[cosmic pilot]

Yes

[vale pebble]

Thank you. Was thinking it was just me.

[azure ether]

Hello

[novel geyser]

So people dont just throw down 150 supplies for nodes in spawn

[smoky urchin]

As opposed to dropping supplies from a million supports who can swap out if you have a co-ordinating squad/team. I really dislike the supply drop restriction on the back lines, in offensive they remove it only for for the back base with the last point in it, but even then what harm does it actually do, they still need to drive their vehicle to the point to build up defences. Building in this game is already a chore and then it gets instantly wiped.

Nodes is another thing that needs a rework as that system is bad and mundane so if that is the case then it needs to be undone.

[novel geyser]

The entire node system is terrible and in all honestly should be removed

If not heavily reworked

[smoky urchin]

Agreed, as this game is pretty much a Company of heroes but FPS I'd love to see a resource/cache system but as it stands with how the map and control zones be a bit of a struggle but would make for a mini objective around the main ones themselves.

[novel geyser]

Yea

[pine ember]

Meddl loide

https://tenor.com/view/drachenlord-rainer-winkler-gif-20035563

[silk igloo]

what if every grid was marked as either munitions, manpower or fuel, and a garrison in one would act like a node

maybe randomize it every game, and income from a grid would be split between both teams if both had a garry in one

[obtuse dragon]

Why? It's fun to play recon and search for them for 1 hour and 30 minutes! 🥺🥺🥺

It's such a fun way to spend my time

[novel geyser]

Such fun, almost as fun as spawn killing the poor sods trying to use arty all game

[humble sigil]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1258133008733569175/1507886733948358717/Convert_to_GIF_project_-_May_23_2026_at_18.17.14.gif

[buoyant grail]

It's been my best infantry play so far

Especially for my noob ahh 30 kills is miraculous

[worn rose]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-hello-chat-chat-gif-17440367039558363211

[covert elbow]

I think they tried it and it didn’t work well

Nodes and resources just need to go honestly. It was an experiment that didn’t work and I’d much rather the abilities just had a timer cooldown

[silk igloo]

In alpha the idea was that you capture grids to both advance and to get resources, but they ditched that

[covert elbow]

Exactly. That’s when nodes should have gone as well

[silk igloo]

They came later. With the 5 sectors we have now, only the mid one made fuel. iirc.

[covert elbow]

Wait what??

[silk igloo]

the income was like +6 fuel max, and tanks would spawn automatically after a time if there was enough fuel? I dont remember when nodes came about

Anyway, if nodes were merged with garris, it'd be a bit simpler, but you also would have side objectives. Like if fuel grids were rare, both sides would attempt to get a garry there, and if the income was suddenly decreased, both sides would know that there's an enemy garry present too

[glossy solar]

anyone know what time the open beta will open at on firday?

[covert elbow]

Ehhhhhh I think it’d be healthier for the game if we erased red zone garrisons and make it so you can capture individual squares for spawn points like your idea

[silk igloo]

Could be both. Make a grid change colour from red to blue when you build a garry in it. Turn it striped if it's contested by garries. And reduce the cost back to 50 supplies

[covert elbow]

Yea i honestly don’t know how it would work except maybe have each square need to be contested and captured or you need to “stake a claim” like garrisons/ outposts

[little vigil]

I think Jairion's been pushing capturale sectors for yesars at this point

but yea the current setup isn't great but won't be changed, god bless

[covert elbow]

HLL 2.0 I BEG

[silk igloo]

I'd rather try something wildly different like having chains of garrisons fight each other, without any capzones. But if the grid system must stay, at least it could be tweaked a bit...

[light ermine]

Hello

[arctic rampart]

https://tenor.com/6MLd.gif

[turbid plaza]

Imo the solo tank rule in servers is so dumb. Servers like RMC that remove ppl to trying to use armor when the team needs it just cuz no one else wants to play makes u not even wanna play on their server. Good tankers dont need anyone else.

[frank walrus]

stg very overrated chat icl

i dont like it at all

close range when you go full auto you cant see anything or hit a single shot

once you start firing you're blind loooool

[wintry thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/kosach-stare-come-and-see-иди-и-смотри-1943-gif-9386646513791185205

[arctic rampart]

Skill issue

[frank walrus]

no seriously G43 is 1000000X better

[arctic rampart]

No, it's like 1.2x better, but also situational

Both weapons are very good, it's irrelevant to compare them especially since both are on one team

[frank walrus]

nah stg kick is so weird and the smoke + iron sight combo i cant see crap when i go full auto in close quarters, for long range g43 is already better and i just feel more comfy using g43 in close range too

[arctic rampart]

I mean, cool? Doesn't make the stg overrated though

[frank walrus]

it's mid i said what i said

[arctic rampart]

Thompsons mid. < mp40 < stg < g43 = m1 garand

[frank walrus]

btw what's the name of that server that you farm xp on, i cant tolerate the carbine i need the garand on the officer slot

[frank walrus]

ok i agree with this, i do play comfortably with the mp40 but the damage trade off yeah makes sense

[arctic rampart]

There is no meaningful damage tradeoff to even speak about, they're all super easy to play with. Thompsons usually the only one that requires a bit more of a burst, but even then usually it's a skill issue if people claim it's not that good

[frank walrus]

it's beautiful, the suppression and shreds in close range

[cosmic pilot]

Is all you do in #ww2-history is post obscure historical gifs

[quasi sleet]

RMC glitch kicked for killing admin??

[wintry thistle]

No i only post that here

[errant moss]

@fluid pawn whats the chance of level 1 bug being fixed for u20?

[wintry thistle]

WW2 history is dead

[frank walrus]

Chat, any m1 garand tips? i have 300 hours on the game and i cant seem to hit shots with it as easy as the g43, the iron sight isn't very comfy and the kick is abhorrent

or leading shots either, the iron sight is weird

[karmic cloud]

where can I see the info on the vietnam open beta?

[frank walrus]

I do very well with the g43 tho

[real parrot]

8.8cm KwK39>Any other weapon

[novel geyser]

do you just left click to fire the tank smoke launcher on the test branch, doesnt seem to be working or is it bugged in some tanks

[smoky urchin]

You need to bind the key, I set it to spacebar.

[novel geyser]

ty idk why I didnt check for that

[nova pivot]

Hello

[fossil gorge]

@grand grove what about here?

[light ermine]

So when’s early access for the new one

[slate canopy]

Open beta is this upcoming weekend

[woven magnet]

So if I pre-order now, do I still have to wait for open beta testing this weekend and then the subsequent release on June 18th to actually be able to boot up the game? No offline training, or shooting range access? Just asking, and I'm pretty sure the answer is no, but thought I would ask.

[south lion]

adding the M134 minigun would be epic

[potent burrow]

Hell let loose try not to screw up the tanks with every update for the 137482 time, impossible challenge

[covert elbow]

It is funny how the Luchs becomes more irrelevant with every update as that’s exactly what it was IRL lmao

[potent burrow]

I mean its not meant for 1-1 tank engagements

Sadly, the devs seek to slam tanking into the ground like its a 1000 lb press video, simply because most of the player base is too mentally ill in order to figure out basic anti tank tactics

So instead they just give most classes a satchel, launcher, or at mine simply to cope

And make said infantry weapons insane in comparison to the effort required to get a 3 man tank crew together

[obtuse dragon]

"give more classes satchel"

https://tenor.com/view/peter-griffin-hanging-gif-8897130496833850113

[finite berry]

HLL finally being historically accurate lol

[potent burrow]

Im arguing against that

Satchel genuinely shouldnt be in the game, that goes for alot of things in hll

[covert elbow]

Remove it from assault, and the artillery squad like wtf, make it only disable the module it’s placed on, and have it be used more for defense busting

[rancid nymph]

What's the go with ranked games or tournament games how do you join those ?

[haughty solar]

check #1343090646168240199

Many events are hosted by them

[thin scarab]

Arty has Satchel?

[maiden juniper]

Cause we're playing bendy

[frail sonnet]

no, just 1 at mine

[slow tapir]

Well the luchs isn’t meant to engage vehicles at all. It was meant solely to accompany infantry units. Huge reason they are on if the most dangerous and destroyed vehicles on the battlefield in WW2s opening years.

[pine ember]

The Luchs shouldnt even be in the game...

[pine ember]

The Panzer II was intended to be anti armor...

[slow tapir]

Yes but we don’t have the base panzer 2. We have the scout anti infantry luchs. So it makes sense it’s bad at tank fights.

[pine ember]

Yea but that thing shouldnt be in the game

Only 100 were ever produced

[light ermine]

Good morning

[slow tapir]

Ehh I understand why it is. More known, and the base panzer 2 was extremely weak that a 7.62 round could pen the sides. Where the luchs was given upgraded 20mm armor plates.

[frank walrus]

why is the game crashing so much lately

[smoky urchin]

I think it's more to the point that this game again was inspired by the original Devs to make an FPS of Company of heroes, in that game you had a luchs, it did it's job, it worked well, the issue is this game does not have an escalation phase, starting on light armour/vehicles eventually teching up to heavier late game stuff.

Now as for the luchs in a game scenario it's not able to do it's job not only because bigger armour comes a long sooner but also because T17 removed the protection for the frontal amour to be penned by AT Infantry which is plentiful.

Alternatively they should have just gone with armoured cars with autocannons, not enough of them in my opinion.

[pine ember]

Tbf the Germans shouldnt even have a light tank in this phase of the war where the game is mosly set... makes no sense from a historical perspective if the "lightest" tank was the Panzer IV in that phase

[finite berry]

Was its armour that thin? 7.62 is rifle calibre

[slow tapir]

Oh yeah, less than 10mm. Was originally meant to be a WW1 tank.

Mass produce as fast as possible with as much as possible to swarm

[finite berry]

Where'd you get that information from

According to Wikipedia, side armour of the hull was 13 mm

[smoky urchin]

10mm was on the roof of the thing, it had in later productions of 30mm on the front

[finite berry]

Turret roof apparently was 8 mm, and that's the weakest part of the armour

[slow tapir]

Yee

[pine ember]

Panzer II a WW1 tank?

Lol

[finite berry]

Also, how is it a WW1 tank when it was designed in 1934

[smoky urchin]

P2 had 30 front, 20mm sides, this is coming from later iterations.

[finite berry]

Sorry mate, but you're not making any sense

[pine ember]

Less War Thunder more real history please

[finite berry]

The Pz II was not as weakly armoured as you claim. And it sure as hell was no WW1 tank

And afaik regular rifles (7.62 mm) could not penetrate the Pz II

[pine ember]

For the mid 30s it was actually a decent if not good tank

[finite berry]

Hell, even the Leichttraktor could withstand small arms fire

[pine ember]

You mean the Landwirtschaftlicher Schlepper?

[finite berry]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5b/LeichttraktorProfile.jpg

[pine ember]

I know, but its not a tank

[finite berry]

So?

My statement was that even that tin can could withstand small arms fire, and if that thing could, so could the Pz II

[pine ember]

Which is true

But we all know its not a tank

It looks like a tank, functions like a tank but it is not a tank

[nova pivot]

Why

It has armour, tracks and a gun

[pine ember]

It isnt a tank

[nova pivot]

Why

[pine ember]

Thats what the German government in the late 20s and early 30s said

You all completely missed the joke guys

[sour canopy]

guys guess what

i finally got 4 kills in 1 game holy fck

[finite berry]

Perhaps it just wasn't funny :)

[pine ember]

Or people just ignore the years between 1918 and 1939 :))

[strong owl]

I'm 55 hours in and I've noticed spotting enemies is much harder than I thought. One on one encounters are super unforgiving too, no where near as easy as say "insurgency sandstorm". Is it normal I'm still getting only like 5 to 6 kills on a avg match or do I need to change something up?

[pine ember]

Totally normal, I had to play my 100 to 150h first before I got my first 20 kill game

[strong owl]

Bet, I'll keep working on it, thank you

[nova pivot]

Massive skill issue

[nova pivot]

Yeah you do

I'll give you a tip

[pine ember]

HLL was the first shooter I ever played so

And HLL never was about killing the enemy

[nova pivot]

Always move from cover to cover and every time you reach a different cover take 5-10 seconds to stop, aim and scan infront of you. When approaching to houses or urban environments peak every corner as if there was an enemy waiting behind it a d finally eyes aren't the only way of finding enemies, listen to footsteps or gunfire, with time you will memorize how each weapon sound and you will be able to track the enemies by their sound

[nova pivot]

Good luck trying to take s Garry without killing

[worthy charm]

Dont take garry

[pine ember]

Yea sure but killing the enemy isnt the main part of the game

[worthy charm]

He didnt do anything wrong

[nova pivot]

But you need it to archive the main part of the game therefore it is a main part

It's like passing in football, of course you can score without passing but you need it

[pine ember]

Fair

[strong owl]

Super helpful, what's most difficult for me is the long engagement, so in other games my sensitivity goes all the way up with ads so I can snap quickly. In this I have ads lower and hip fire higher and I'm trying to like get better and going out of sights to aquire a target then go in again for fine turning, BUT in anything beneath 50 meters my brain goes panic and I stay on ads

[pine ember]

But HLL isnt won solely by killing the enemy...

[strong owl]

That's true I agree I just feel like I'm a total victim rn. One on one's are super unforgiving for me rn

[nova pivot]

If you kill them all they can't reach the harcap

[pine ember]

Thats normal if you dont have the experience in the game veteran players have

[nova pivot]

Can we stop pretending that killing isn't an important thing on a shooter game thank you

[nova pivot]

Everyone been there

[strong owl]

I have a homie with the same amount of play time as me but he's honestly a demon and gets like 17 kills sometimes so that's why I was wondering if maybe the learning curve ain't so steep and I need to change something lol

[nova pivot]

17 isn't a lot

[pine ember]

It is important but if you put a team that only kills the enemy against a team that is focused on map control and destroying enemy spawns its clear who will win

[nova pivot]

Just play slower that usually helps with catching players the same way they are catching you right now

[strong owl]

For me it is, I'm averaging 5.my best game I ambushed 8 guys in the woods and killed them all and that was it

[nova pivot]

You need kills to archive map control

Or are you politely asking the enemies to leave the area?

[pine ember]

Sure, but if you only kill the enemy like its TDM you wont win

[nova pivot]

Okay

Stop thinking about pubs

Set your mind in a game where both teams are competent and know the basics, the only difference is team A players average 60-70-80 kills per game and team B players average 20-30 kills per game . Who wins?

[finite berry]

Floppa's right, but your attitude also matters. Just don't give up and play patiently. Don't rush or try to force things as that will usually get you killed. 🙂

[nova pivot]

Is that a s44 tip?

[finite berry]

What if it was 😏

[nova pivot]

Tbf attitude is important everywhere

If you believe it you make it real

[worthy charm]

Culture ahhh difference

Send help please

[frank walrus]

Is the hitreg messed up??????????

like 5 times now point blank range put 2 and 3 bullets into people and they just turned around and killed me

[pine ember]

https://tenor.com/view/bosnov-67-bosnov-67-67-meme-gif-16727368109953357722

[wise tide]

This convo is way too deep

"Put your mind to it, average 90 kills per game" chances are yall are mopped at the first red line Garry regardless

[frank walrus]

yeah this is ragebait atp

is it an issue or my side or is there something wrong?

[frank walrus]

hopped in training lemme test

yes from the back

with a HEAT round

[worthy charm]

They should all be able, but there might be exeptions like the P3

Not sure, but the https://discord.com/channels/316459644476456962/1423283064078860328 can help surely.

[worthy charm]

Dont test stuff there

Its probably scuffed as its usually is when using the training ground.

[past veldt]

That's usually just physics. The damage values are usually fine

[wintry thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/kosach-stare-come-and-see-иди-и-смотри-1943-gif-9386646513791185205

[past python]

Is it just me or are there almost no populated servers on console?

[nova pivot]

There are

[wise tide]

Xbox servers are almost always popping

[past python]

?

There are what?

[nova pivot]

Full servers

[past python]

I have like five populated servers

[finite berry]

So?

[past python]

Shouldn't there be more?

[finite berry]

That's plenty

[past python]

Lol

[finite berry]

Why would you complain about five full servers when all you need is one to play on lmao

[nova pivot]

Because it's 15:37, people it's coming home from work or picking up their sons from school

Peak time is 7-8-9-10

[past python]

Fair

[nova pivot]

And I have 10 btw

[past python]

I got vote kicked btw. Hahaha

First time playing commander

[nova pivot]

10 populated servers and one with 40

[wise tide]

Too bad you didnt strafe friendlies before a midpoint cap before dipping

[past python]

Its so stupid.

I told them that it was my first time and they gave me tips and everything

And then the vote kick. Like, come on.

[wise tide]

People probably spammed yes to get the notification on the screen, rarely do people care lol -- were you on a new player welcome server.

?*

[past python]

Official

[finite berry]

Hence why votekick is dumb

Most of the time, people just mindlessly click either yes or no without bothering to check what's even on

[finite berry]

Don't

[past python]

It is.

I get it when you keep friendly firing people, bodyblock them, get supply trucks stuck, etc.

But for someone that asks for help due to being a new commander, its just bullshi-т

[wise tide]

Welcome to hell let loose, keep at it, worse comes to worse you have to wait another 15 minutes in another server queue

[past python]

Lol yeah

Performance is аss. I get high ping for no reason. Even on near servers

Other games work perfectly fine, both with and without Ethernet. I'm an IT technician. So I do know how to set things up 😂

[edgy grail]

Will the open beta be available to download through Steam or is there a different way to get access this weekend?

[past python]

Firstlook.gg bot

Guides you through

I am having the time of my life when HLL actually works for once.

Problem is: it usually doesn't.

[wise tide]

What platform are you on

[past python]

PS5

I usually play on PC, but because I am playing Ranked in Rainbow Six, I own a console.

Turning off crossplay reduces the amount of cheaters significantly.

[nova pivot]

Why are you playing on official server

🤢

[past python]

Why should I not?

Shouldn't I

[nova pivot]

Because they are full of incompetent players

And they aren't moderated

[finite berry]

Mainly because they are not moderated

[past python]

Thats true 😂 last time I asked why no one got a mic, someone turned his mic on just to tell me to go fuсk myself 😂

[finite berry]

And because they are not moderated, all the hackers, cheaters and griefers end up playing there

[finite berry]

At least you got him to talk :D

[wise tide]

Im going to buy a server that runs eastern front maps 24/7. Elise, I need you to admin the server so I can laugh when your Playstation starts smoking while playing stalingrad

Ill need your application at the end of the day thx

[finite berry]

Coming right up

[past python]

Hahahah

I'm playing Rainbow Six right now. The level of incompetence here is even higher

I am 7-2 and everyone else is like 1-6

Ranked should require an IQ test

[wise tide]

R6s is sweat ville

[past python]

I love it

I am currently in Emerald 4

[wise tide]

How long until you reach diamond 8

[past python]

Diamond 8 does not exist, lol

Best you can be is Diamond 1

Champ is for pros only

[wise tide]

Oh i was just guessing the ranks

[obtuse dragon]

I'm cardboard 5

I used to be shtstained trash 1 but i ranked up 😊🎉🎉🎉

[past python]

Pretty good guess ngl

[lament spoke]

Morning boys

[frail sonnet]

Would love one for pc ngl, the only one server that hosts rare maps exclusively is german

[light ermine]

Good afternoon

[covert elbow]

Maybe I should make a server for HHS…

[wise tide]

Lets pull our cash its only 120

[frail sonnet]

Must be nice to call 120$ only lol

[sharp topaz]

Why hell let loose when game is in earth?

[dim gazelle]

What's the difference between tiger 1 and panzer vi

[finite berry]

Nothing

It's the same vehicle. Tiger is just the nickname of the numerical designation Panzerkampfwagen VI (or abbreviated Panzer VI).

And the technical designation was Sonderkraftfahrzeug 181 (special (purpose) vehicle 181)

[dim gazelle]

how does the numerical designation work

panzer vi is tiger, and panzer v is panther as far i i know

and panther is more developed than tiger, so how is it panzer v, while tiger is panzer vi

[finite berry]

It's not about how developed they were

Also, I'm not sure, honestly. I think it's simply the order of time how development on the vehicles started. @pine ember might know more

PzKpfw I
PzKpfw II
PzKpfw III
PzKpfw IV
PzKpfw V "Panther"
PzKpfw VI "Tiger"
PzKpfw VI Ausführung B "Tiger II"
PzKpfw VII "Löwe" (Lion)
PzKpfw VIII "Maus" (Mouse)

There were PzKpfw IX and PzKpfw X, but they were just propaganda drawings so to say. To scare and fool and confuse the Allies. Those tanks never existed

[gentle lintel]

they should have came up with another name, other than pzkpfw

it's borderline fast & furious level

[finite berry]

Typical German style: everything is neat and tidy and strictly numbered.

[finite berry]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/538055883075354637/1508892420849270794/Pz_kpfw_X.png?ex=6a173112&is=6a15df92&hm=08a24d8d34416c26b2b340059dd8fb7dee2dba648296f97c65d92b93c20f13e2&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

^^ PzKpfw X; but like I said, that thing never existed; only drawings to deceive Allied intelligence

[dim gazelle]

looks like they put wheels on a uboat

[finite berry]

😄

[dim gazelle]

I love how it kept upgrading till lion and dropped to a mouse

[finite berry]

Fun fact, the P 1.500 "Monster", a self-propelled version of the 80 cm "Schwerer Gustav" railway gun was supposed to get propelled by multiple u-boat engines

[finite berry]

I think the first name was "Mammut" (mammoth), but they changed it

[finite berry]

Either that or S-Boot engines

And that wasn't even the heaviest armoured vehicle envisioned by German planners

[pine ember]

Its mostly a chronological order but also the further up you go the heavier they get... Only exception to the chronological order is the Panther since its development started after the Tiger but it is situated between the Panzer IV and the Panzer VI "Tiger" so thats why it is the Panzer V

[pine ember]

Sounds better than "tank"

[pine ember]

Depends how you define more developed

[gentle lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/restraint-no-restraint-hold-me-back-gif-13416230

[worthy charm]

Dont make him angry or he will get the geneva checklist

[pine ember]

https://tenor.com/view/grin-kek-spongebob-squarepants-gif-24438669

[gentle lintel]

time for an audit

[light ermine]

Good evening

[arctic rampart]

@worthy charmStill didn't get access? Cause there's a test tonight

Outside of it leaking memory and crashing every 15-18 minutes, it was pretty fine.

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/gun-gif-emoji-shoot-gun-shoot-gif-10049962077030692855

[arctic rampart]

Instigating violence against a long standing member of the HLL community? Damn

https://tenor.com/pmuLkSciqYo.gif

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/gritito-gif-17274376822241272426

Youre saying that after flexing your Playtest access

[light ermine]

How to get play test access if your new ?

[worthy charm]

First you join the wardogs discord server

then you log into their firstlook page

and then you wont get further, because youre to late.

[light ermine]

Oh

[oak current]

wrong server willes, this is where you are a mod for HLL 👀

[worthy charm]

https://klipy.com/gifs/grown-man-awkward

Where am I?

[maiden juniper]

Chesseburgwe

[light ermine]

I just wait for the open beta for the new one though I getting the deluxe for the new on on wed or Thursday

I plan on playing all day tomorrow though once I wake up and learn the ropes

[covert elbow]

Poor soul

[light ermine]

lol 😆

[arctic rampart]

That gif perfectly matches the idea of buying Vietnam

[light ermine]

I see it as free kills for veterans. While I run for my life

[velvet needle]

Hi guys, I've been having lots of connection issues recently, "connection lost to the host" idk what to do to fix it

[tall kettle]

❕** STEAM MAINTENANCE** ❕
Tuesdays 3PM-6PM PDT
Tuesdays 6PM-9PM EST
Tuesdays 10PM-3AM GMT
Wednesdays 8AM-11AM AEST

Some players may experience the following issues during Steam's routine maintenance:

• EAC Notifications
• False Bans
• No Servers Showing
• Player Level Resets

[slate canopy]

SSD or HDD? Time synced with internet?

[river rover]

Delete your Steam Download Cache as well.

[velvet needle]

SSD and how do I check my sync with the internet?

[velvet needle]

Will try thx

[slate canopy]

Rightclick the time in the bottom right, Adjust Time and Date, Sync Now.

[velvet needle]

I'll try it rn, thx a lot man

[river rover]

ℹ️ Nvidia Game Ready GPU Driver 610.47 WHQLℹ️
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/drivers/results/

[green ferry]

Does smolensk have performance issues on console

[past vortex]

you could link the actual driver yk
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/drivers/details/271418/
by pressing view

[cosmic pilot]

Speak truth to power ✊

[maiden juniper]

Did hell let loose release

[slate canopy]

huh?

[river rover]

About 8 years ago or so. 😛

[maiden juniper]

Dang it

[river rover]

It allows people to choose their card because some may no longer be supported with latest drivers. 😉

Also the Nvidia Control Panel is now gone in favor of the Nvidia App. You can get the classic Nvidia Control Panel though via the Microsoft Store now. 😉

[past vortex]

for those with cards older than 1600

they wont get any updates anyway tho

[river rover]

My 780 still gets security updates once in a blue moon

[tall kettle]

❕** STEAM MAINTENANCE NOW ENDING** ❕
Tuesdays 3PM-6PM PDT
Tuesdays 6PM-9PM EST
Tuesdays 10PM-3AM GMT
Wednesdays 8AM-11AM AEST

Steam maintenance has now ended but some issues may still remain until a game restart

• EAC Notifications
• False Bans
• No Servers Showing
• Player Level Resets

[runic gorge]

The Juno beach play test was kinda mid

[fading goblet]

I had someone gift me the pre-order for HLL Vietnam can I upgrade to the deluxe and pay the difference at some point?

[slate canopy]

I don't think so? You just have to pay for the DLCs

[fading goblet]

Oh usually games allow you to upgrade versions

[slate canopy]

I'm not 100%

since it's not officially out as a game

[slate canopy]

You can attempt to buy the deluxe and see if it discounts the game?

[fading goblet]

Nah it dont

[nova pivot]

No

[maiden juniper]

😞

[nova pivot]

The game was cancelled

[maiden juniper]

I knew ir

[nova pivot]

Is not coming out, someone raided the office building and deleted all the files

[vocal pelican]

did i miss the open beta for HHLV?

[slate canopy]

That's this weekend

[wraith kraken]

Do you get to try it if you preordered the game?

[vocal pelican]

im pretty sure its a fully open beta test

[wraith kraken]

Oh well Im unable to get the game right now sadly

Which is annoying me but you know personal life stuff happening is more important

I just hope its all over soon because the past two weeks my life has just been a string of bad events one after another

Anyways sorry I got a bit ahead of myself um if I can find some sort of way to get the game before the weekend then I will be excited and more than willing to try this open beta

[light ermine]

Good evening

[wraith kraken]

Good evening

[wraith kraken]

Its 11 pm here

[light ermine]

12 am here

[wraith kraken]

Ah we are 1 timezone away lol

@light ermine you bought Hell Let Loose Vietnam yet?

[light ermine]

I think today or tommow

[wraith kraken]

Ah my friend got gifted it the other day

I want it but dont know when im gonna get it

I cant right now because its usually my grandpa who lets me buy games but he is about to help me get my first car so money might be a bit tight for a while☹️

Anyways im gonna go to bed now because Im sick and feel like crap rn good luck if you get the game tomorrow dude

Maybe you add me on steam we play together when the game comes out

My steam name is same as my discord username

[glossy hamlet]

Do Devs get Dev titles in game? For example, "Dev_379"

[wraith kraken]

No clue

[maiden juniper]

Lawd please give me anpulled pork sandwich

[solemn junco]

You don't need the game to play the open beta. Do not preorder the game unless you want to play broken trash on release, it was in a very bad state with the last beta that was only weeks ago.

[smoky urchin]

No they don't some have EXP in their name, maybe T17 but as far as that goes no.

[frank walrus]

I have a confession

I've been playing on 70FOV with motion blur on

[cold arch]

It wasn’t that bad. Pre order the game, have fun!!

[solemn junco]

Not sure what you are smoking

[gentle lintel]

That says a lot coming from sir smokealot

[past python]

So?

[nova pivot]

Ben updating his state instead of working is wild

[gentle lintel]

Is he now gaseous

Always had my suspicion

[gilded spade]

@fluid pawn When will u20 be dropped? Can't find it in the dev brief

[solemn junco]

A fart in the wind

[cyan saddle]

It's not been revealed yet

[kindred horizon]

To play the Vietnam open beta, do we need to sign up on the website or will it be available to everyone on steam? I am signed up already but asking for a friend

Also, since it’s an open beta I assume it’s ok to stream it?

[karmic oracle]

May I ask if all players who applied on Firstlook will receive an email with the vietnam link for the upcoming public test?👀

[prisma fiber]

You know the same thing we all do

[kindred horizon]

Ok thanks. I wasn’t sure if there was some announcements I missed or something

[light ermine]

Good morning

[winter rover]

Has Italy been announced yet?

[finite berry]

Didn't you mean to say that you almost forgot this game existed?

[pine ember]

https://tenor.com/view/gohine-hohino-no-hohineee-gohineee-gif-17792172174678204487

[daring lintel]

I have a question for those who played hell let loose Vietmam beta, How well is this game optimized??? does it stutter on midrange GPUs?,

[fair robin]

If I don't use that firstlook account for anything and the site gets hacked imma be salt

[fair robin]

I heard it was fairly poorly optimized but probably going to be better this time around for open beta

[daring lintel]

Have u played it first hand???

[fair robin]

No

I wasn't one of the lucky ones 🥲

[past veldt]

AMD 7800X3D

Radeon 6800

32GB RAM

All above recommended specs

I was getting an incredibly choppy 45fps, with regular lows of 30. Menus even lower. @1440p

Nvidia GPUs seemed to run it a better, but they're absolutely relying on the latest DLSS version to get this game playable

Same system usually gets 120fps no sweat on HLL:WW2

[finite berry]

"Nvidia GPUs seemed to run it a better" common AMD L

[nova pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/my-man-my-man-hd-my-man4k-gif-23532578

[daring lintel]

OMG ! thats incrediblly frustrating, I don't think that it has to do with AMD or Nvidia, it's a Game optimization issue

I have i5 13500h and rtx 4050, I think I will be f*ed playing this game at at least medium settings

[echo karma]

Epic bias

[past veldt]

It's literally an AMD Vs Nvidia thing when they have the latest DLSS and explicitly told everyone to use it but didn't even support for FSR 4.0

[novel geyser]

So are all the cosmetics for the canadians really gonna be DLC? No level unlocks at all?

[noble fable]

2069

[noble fable]

Yes

[fair robin]

Bruh

[noble fable]

Hurb

[fair robin]

And dlc for this game are dumb expensive

[noble fable]

Yeah

[fair robin]

I am hyped we get canada though

[noble fable]

Same

[novel geyser]

they are just feeling like a more accurate commonwealth faction when compared to the british.
They seem to be fumbling big with the customisation tho

[past vortex]

not if you look at the cost of the card

[paper pulsar]

we get canada but no italy....

[past veldt]

D-Day famously being on 3 June

[past vortex]

game needs some time to load

[azure ether]

Horse?

[radiant thunder]

isnt canada a contient

of the us? or am i bugging

[azure ether]

Isnt the moon a country?

[novel geyser]

no

[radiant thunder]

no

[novel geyser]

canada is a country in north america

north america is the continent

[finite berry]

bro

[azure ether]

I didn't know what contient meant so i thought you meant continent

Soooooooo

[radiant thunder]

yeah, its a continent?

[azure ether]

Horse, am i right?

[finite berry]

no

[radiant thunder]

i swear its the other way round

[azure ether]

Nop

[novel geyser]

ur jelking my leg right

[radiant thunder]

no..

[azure ether]

Jelking?

[wintry thistle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1169482276174823494/1505778650128187432/image0.gif

[novel geyser]

United states of america is a country, canada is a country, they are both in north america
same as how germany, france, spain etc are countries in the continent of europe

[radiant thunder]

north america isnt a contenant you potato, canada is the contenant and then the united states and brazil is in the canada (contenant)

[azure ether]

Bro do you own a map?

[radiant thunder]

like a hll map?

[azure ether]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-the-frog-looking-for-directions-navigate-is-lost-gif-11835765

[azure ether]

Bro what does jelking mean?

[novel geyser]

[glossy hamlet]

Thank you sir.

I have been having a constant issue the past week or so with grenades being dropped on my head out of no where, bazooka’s being launched from thin air on my position, and potential ddos’ing suspicions from a player named “DEV_379”. When looking at the roster on both sides, you cannot see the player either.

Just wanted to know if it was an actual dev (which I do not believe, just trying to exhaust all options before crying CHEATER) before anything else.

I cannot even report the player because it doesn’t show up on the roster.

[azure ether]

?

[wintry thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/lord-save-us-guy-praying-in-car-kpoptwt-stantwt-donald-trump-save-us-gif-15614229185854802474

[covert elbow]

So like… why didn’t we get the update on June 6th instead?

If it’s because June 6th is on a weekend so they can’t do any fixes that doesn’t really matter because we don’t get fixes for at least 2 week anyways

[smoky urchin]

If this is official servers, then you're out of luck nothing can be done about it, if this was a community server I'd recommend messaging the admin team of that server.

[orchid flicker]

Hey does anyone know how to get in contact with with the group 2/6?

[glossy hamlet]

Will do. Thank you again sir. It was not an official server and this individual does follow me across multiple servers. I will get in contact with those responsible/admins. I appreciate your time sir.

[smoky urchin]

I just looked this player up, he's played one game on 7cav and that's it. He has 1 kill, 1 teamkill. and 3 deaths.

[arctic rampart]

REDBEARD you're a Nascar YouTuber?

[arctic rampart]

Call 1/3

[glossy hamlet]

That’s actually crazy. I have VODS and clips from the past week to show he’s been in multiple servers messing with me and my usual duo. The 7Cav match was actually from last night when I decided to stop and ask around for help.

[glossy hamlet]

Yes sir. I have a YouTube channel/podcast where we talk about world motorsports 🙂

[arctic rampart]

You're probably the coolest guy in here ngl

[feral vine]

We dont get fixes for 5 years, cmon now

[smoky urchin]

No idea, but if someone is doing something in a server just !admin then reason, that will summon an admin.

But as for his logs, nothing much from him on the HLL records.
https://hllrecords.com/profiles/06cb417265c417c3e82cae739874a02c

[glossy hamlet]

😂 Thank you but I am sure there are some true American badasses in here! I just like talking about and sharing motorsports 😂

[wintry thistle]

I love America

[arctic rampart]

There's only like 2. One of 'em is a girl that beats my bottom for posting too many gifs, the otherone's a temporarily employed teenager that keeps writing up suggestions about making uniforms more accurate to thir IRL counterparts.

That's about it

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/what-gif-1177376989323896638

[arctic rampart]

and I'm not being sarcastic when I say your beginner guide to nascar was actually quite informative. Up to this point I only knew about it cause of the Cars movie

[pine ember]

I love Deutschland

[arctic rampart]

Oi! Back to doomposting in #1098158460463480842 you germans

[wintry thistle]

Good

[worthy charm]

https://klipy.com/gifs/zaunvi-caitvitwt-2

[wintry thistle]

*krauts

[arctic rampart]

Happy to see the new update being around the corner. Will have something to play for a week

[rapid nexus]

When is the beta

[worthy charm]

-# Dont ask me, idk it either

[slate canopy]

Vietnam beta? This weekend

[worthy charm]

#sit-reps message

Its actually quite helpful to read sit reps

[rapid nexus]

This discord has so many channels its hard to find it

[austere echo]

could they really not have waited 3 more days to release the update?

[worn rose]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-explosion-gif-10894243672281713309

[cosmic pilot]

News of news ahh news

[slate canopy]

For WW2?

[wraith kraken]

I would preorder the game if I had money

[wraith kraken]

Oh I know you

[novel geyser]

small world

[lucid tusk]

Straight up reminds me of my provincial premier having announcements of future announcements

[wraith kraken]

Bro could you be a real one and buy me da hell let loose vietnam🥺

[novel geyser]

Im not even going to buy it myself

[frank walrus]

Use m1 garand
iron sight huge
kicks bad
enemy uses m1 garand
laser me 350m away
1 dude kills 4 in cqc

cries in my 15 inch screen

[wraith kraken]

Ok😔

Sorry for asking

[frank walrus]

is there genuinely a way to spot people better? im on a 15.7inch screen gaming laptop, 1440 (it's 1080 but i forced upscaled it), the only weapon i do good with is the mp40 and g43 i just cant get the garand to work the iron sight is humungous i cant see through it properly

i have like 300 hours already

[arctic rampart]

Unless you're playing un sub 1080p, the rez ain't that meaningful.

pretty much just set your AA to Community TAA and then time

[light ermine]

I think I got my first tank kill today

[slate canopy]

Nice!

[wraith kraken]

Good job

@light ermine is the ww2 one right?

[light ermine]

Yeah

[wraith kraken]

I never played it I only want to play the Vietnam one

[azure ether]

Horse

[light ermine]

How’s your day been going

[wraith kraken]

Cow

[azure ether]

Horse

[wraith kraken]

DEAD Horse

[light ermine]

Cat

[azure ether]

Alive Horse

[wraith kraken]

Pig

[wraith kraken]

Not Alive Horse

[azure ether]

Not dead horse

[wraith kraken]

Guys can someone be a kind Samaritan and gift me hell let loose vietnam once my financial situation gets better I can gift you something back

[wraith kraken]

Horse Horse

[azure ether]

Ooooooo horse horse

[wraith kraken]

European Horse

[azure ether]

True horse

[slate canopy]

Going well. Chilling since traveled home yesterday

[light ermine]

Nice went on a holiday ?

[slate canopy]

Just visited family for Sun-Tues

[light ermine]

Oh ok

[azure ether]

Sun-Tues?

[slate canopy]

Sunday to Tuesday?

[wraith kraken]

Yes

[azure ether]

Ohhh we learn something new everyday

[wraith kraken]

Indeed

[wintry thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/kosach-stare-come-and-see-иди-и-смотри-1943-gif-9386646513791185205

[frank walrus]

i have it on community taa but once i ads i just cant see anything seriously, and im not some beginner or mechanically deficient i was on a semi pro csgo team for like 6 years competing locally, i just cant see and the aim feels very sloppy I cant adapt to it at all, im losing one on ones at point blank even though im the one shooting first, it's like the other guys aint even suppressed i shoot like 3 right next to their heads and they one tap me immediately

[wraith kraken]

Im getting my first car my money is gonna be tight while paying it off

Also cool pfp

[frank walrus]

I even have lots of experience with other milsims like Arma reforger but the aim just feels so off in this game i cant adapt at all

the iron sights too are so weird

[wintry thistle]

thank you
just like mow someones lawn or something like that it's summer

[gentle lintel]

a) get rid of car
b) buy hell let loose

ez

[calm dirge]

are all the servers down?

[wraith kraken]

Yeah im getting a job sometime the summer im just trying to get Hell Let Loose Vietnam as soon as possible one of my friends got gifted the deluxe version

[slate canopy]

Not to my knowledge.

[gentle compass]

dw you have 3 weeks to come up with 36 dollars

[wraith kraken]

Yeah I cant get a job rn though because im sick (ive been sick for 3 days now) but I know im getting one sometime this summer

Hopefully soon

I just know if someone does gift it to me I want to gift them something back when I get a job because if I dont I will feel bad

[frank walrus]

no

[simple shard]

I've been trying to reach someone about being a War Correspondant again. I used to be one. Can anyone help me with this? Thanks!

<@&365680483276816385>

[slate canopy]

That's not for us to decide. They had applications open at some point recently? Lemme see if I can find that.

[simple shard]

I did reach out to Ben a couple of weeks ago but haven't heard anything at all.

[slate canopy]

He's the one to decide, not us.

[simple shard]

@slate canopy I gotcha, just haven't had any luck getting in touch with him.

[worthy charm]

Usually you can aplly for it on the HLL website.

[slate canopy]

Lemme see if I can find that application.

[worthy charm]

Though that is closed as it seems

[slate canopy]

well, that kinda answers it right now 😅 ^

[simple shard]

No worries. I used to be one like I said, but stepped away from making content for a while.

Thank you guys anyways though.

[hidden blaze]

Console beta when

[willow pasture]

Can’t wait for the massive amounts of fog to block vision on Juno like all the other T17 maps

[covert elbow]

Wish I could be one

[arctic rampart]

Bro, I'm a war correspondant 😭

[covert elbow]

Maybe when I post my historical reviews and guides I can be

[granite silo]

just a question, but since HLL is such a hardcore realistic shooter, why doesnt it have a lot of teamwork and communication? Almost everyone is lone wolfing around the map, other than a game like squad where everyone stays close to eachother... Im just wondering, whats so different about the game design than squad? which is also a realistic shooter

[covert elbow]

What???

[covert elbow]

1. It’s not a hardcore realistic shooter. It’s a heavily Arcady game with hardcore elements but the marketing hyped it up into something it simply isn’t.

2. Due to high player turnover and a lack of a forced tutorial many people bought the game and play it like it’s just another battlefield game amplifying the “lone wolf” playstyle where people simply don’t communicate or play together much anymore

[arctic rampart]

It's not /that/ realistic. And it does have teamwork and communication.
Trash players are trash players, server's are irrelevant, it's always been like that.

Outside of certain scenarios, it's also simply not ideal to stick close to each other.
Often things such as terrain, certain tactical maneuvers etc. make it so going solo is more ideal than being with your squad.

[worthy charm]

What marketing

[covert elbow]

The game used to emphasize teamwork and communication but the devs never supported it themselves and relied way too much on veteran players to reach newcomers about it. And with the waves of new players every free weekend, sale, and gamepass it simply became to much and the communication between new and old stopped

This is coming from a 4+ year old veteran and 500 hours btw

[granite silo]

But what makes squad so differently that players stick together? I dont understand

[finite berry]

Community-driven marketing, so to say

[covert elbow]

Squad has fostered a community and has gameplay mechanics rewarding teamplay. HLL doesn’t

[finite berry]

Devs created a game - and be it accidentally - that is perfect for the "omg that's so extreme and immersive"-clip on TikTok

I'm fairly sure that without that ⬆️, HLL never would've grown so much

[granite silo]

HLL has the same mechanics like squad no? In HLL u also have squad lead and medic etc

[finite berry]

No

No, it doesn't xD

And just because it also has a dedicated squad leader role doesn't make it similar to Squad or to any realistic hardcore shooter

[arctic rampart]

One VERY major factor is the ticket system.
In squad you have tickets, you need friendlies of any kind nearby to provide revives. Due to the speed of movement, the recoil mechanics etc. killing takes more skill, patience and time than it does compared to HLL. Because of that, revives are a MUST and also happen very, very often compared to HLL.
Outside of providing ammo or supplies, there's no other real benifit of being close.

Also in squad, you need X (I forgot the number and it's probably tunable) of teammates near the SL to pop a backpack down

[covert elbow]

The squads incredibly open so there’s no coordination between roles. It’s just pick what you want and run at the enemy.

And also medics are useless. There’s no ticket system and injury’s are just “hold button” to bandage so medics do nothing

[finite berry]

HLL is Battlefield with a shallow logistics system, an armour system on World of Tanks level, a barely actually enforced squad roles and one shot kills you. That's it

[covert elbow]

Said it before and I’ll say it until it gets added. Local tickets are an absolute must for HLL to evolve and grow

[thin lotus]

🥱

[wintry thistle]

since when did chum become black

[finite berry]

Community will crucify you

[arctic rampart]

We also are heavily incentivized to giving up and respawning since that gives you a brand new element of surprise than /maybe/ getting revived and fighting from the same position again.
On top of that you also get a full resupply.

[finite berry]

Saturn is ded

[wintry thistle]

NOOOOOOOOOOOO

Saturn fits you better chum

[thin lotus]

🚶‍♂️

[arctic rampart]

Atm I can genuinely only think of 2 3 cases where'd you want to be together with your squad to some degree and those are:

• Supplies for building X
• Explosive ammo for rockets/satchel
• (Maybe) have a few friendlies near you when taking down a deep red zone garry by hand so it goes faster, but often it's better just to get an AT soldier to rocket it

[slate canopy]

Chum bringing his nothing 2-cents. 👍 Love it.

[finite berry]

Still gotta make a Chum bingo lol

[arctic rampart]

So yeah @granite silo that's why

[finite berry]

We probably scared the poor guy away lol

[covert elbow]

Oh also this. I really want supply drops and airheads to just go they hurt the game way to much

[granite silo]

ye ok, got it. Thanks alot to answer my question

[finite berry]

HLL is good at what it does. But it's not a milsim, not even a tactical shooter.

It just manages to gaslight people into believing it is one.

[arctic rampart]

I want a test branch where we get SQUAD's ICO in HLL for a week or two to test it out

[finite berry]

Community would crucify you too lmao

[silk igloo]

Plenty of times my squad has held two or three enemy squads at bay, simply because they just respawn and die without any clue of where or how close we are, while my squad is all informed and focused on the threat

[little vigil]

adding some basic sway and MOA would do wonders for combat

[arctic rampart]

Enemy skill issue

[silk igloo]

And the opposite is true as well whenever I spawn on a "new" spawn and find out the hard way that it's hotter than I thought

[arctic rampart]

I want to see how our usual HLL would play with just massive weapon sway, actually ducking annoying recoil if you don't wait for your breath to come back etc.
Even with the teleporting gameplay and airheads etc.
Just to see how it goes

[little vigil]

play it on console where people can't aim to save their lives

console HLL is unironically the more teamwork oriented version

[thin lotus]

way too easy to lock down hundreds of meters with only 1 or a couple guys

[granite silo]

But most of the time people still stick close to eachother in HLL tho no? Lone wolf can work but is also punished hard i thought?

[little vigil]

no, not really

arguably lone wolves are bettter for your team

[granite silo]

so everyone lone wolfing is better?

[little vigil]

the entirety of HLL revolves around spawn point attrition and the nature of spawns fragility means that a single guy sneaking around and popping them is often super high value

[granite silo]

ah you mean there should always be a few lone wolfs?

If everyone lone wolfed it wouldnt be good aswell right?

[arctic rampart]

Again, it depends.
Are you holding a house within the strong point of a cap and it's still swaying between your team progressing and the enemy? Sure, yeah, you need to stick close and hold the house.

Are you a SL and you don't have any good flanks open to an attack so you're only option is to get a OP down yourself on that flank? Then it's mostly better to go alone and not drag a bunch of people with you.

[little vigil]

It wouldn't really matter.

So like on a team of 50 you are looking at like probably ~30 mouth breathers who can't play to save their lives

[slate canopy]

it's a yes/no half the time lol

[little vigil]

the balance of any given team is more or less trash

[slate canopy]

Same with like teams. You'll get games where no one talks (and I usually leave), and you'll get games where EVERYONE is communicating and it's like 🤌 MM

[silk igloo]

Usually those "lone wolves" just act like lemmings, all spawning on the same red garrison, all getting stalled by a few defenders. And then you lose the game.

[slate canopy]

If you want more consistent coordinated games, you get in community events or competitive games

[arctic rampart]

Comp matches are very much about overall map control, so spreading out within your squads and having a wide spread spawn net is the best strat.

In public matches (as an SL for example) your best bet is setting the spawns up yourself, but making sure your infantry guys are either within the attack or within the defense sectors. As to never drag them (as in make them walk) long distances over squares on the map that are not attack/defend ones. So whatever they're doing, weather that be mouth-breathing as Pelican put it, or they're some KDR chasers, they're doing it in the meaningful sectors.

[arctic rampart]

My favourite is hearing some 20-something kid from the US keep yelling in squad how he sees an enemy and he's reloading. Those super valuable comms 🎂 🍒

[slate canopy]

It's perfect!

[little vigil]

yea, the best class is SL lone wolfing. It lets you hunt down enemy garries and OPs which is critical. It also lets you put your blueberries in location that are weird and often close to enemy caps

[finite berry]

There such a thin line between such comms being immersive and plain annoying

[arctic rampart]

-# I want to kick them in the face and call them slurs

[thin lotus]

it's not that there 'should always' be lone wolves, but it's almost always in the teams *favor * to have players inconspicuously skirting around the map so that the team is then able to teleport to the other side with a spawn that's placed.

The entire typical match of HLL is just trying to make sure the entire enemy force isn't allowed to materialize within your own backlines because someone sneaky got by and placed a team spawn, -which regretably is very easy to do (the sneaking around, that is)

[little vigil]

so your conga line is more effective then their conga line

[finite berry]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/538055883075354637/1509260067130572890/Gigachad_image.jpg?ex=6a188778&is=6a1735f8&hm=eb91d5bad70c19997ed203cd4b49e73177d0eaf3f8b3fdeaad8d119daac295a0&=&format=webp

[arctic rampart]

ありがとうございました！

[little vigil]

You can play effectively in this manner without any VOIP whatsoever. To the point htat I have my VOIP audio at like 10 and can barely hear it

often I outright can't hear anyone talking unless some dude is screaming

[granite silo]

but like, spreading out as a squad but still close enough right?

[arctic rampart]

Yeah solo SL in a locked squad is a viable thing, it just can't be over-done in pub matches either

[arctic rampart]

You mean in comp matches?

[little vigil]

i never lock the squad cause you, ideally, want to have 5 guys under your personal spawn control

[granite silo]

ye?

[little vigil]

they will almost always beeline to the nearest cap so as you place the OP they spawn and sprint at the circle

[worthy charm]

Word of mouth isnt really a marketing strategy.

[finite berry]

Bro, what

Of course it is, a very strong one, actually

Like, yeah, it's not one that the respective company can directly control, but it still is one; and if done right an extremely efficient one

Source: Hell Let Loose's success

[worthy charm]

Marketing strategys is stuff like 4 Ps

Word of mouth is a kind of marketing

but not a marketing strategy

[thin lotus]

👏 TRAILERS WITH THE SAME MUSIC ON ALL OF THEM

Hll marketing.

[harsh egret]

It is clear T17 doesn't believe in word of mouth marketing, or they would have fixed a single bug maybe at any point.

[finite berry]

Four Panzers? :D

[arctic rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1036120241366896691/1509261591634382962/image.png?ex=6a1888e4&is=6a173764&hm=05e258de975e3bd82c058883f7b335692ce036f943b444dcccd002076d28d99e&

Okay so I was too lazy to go look for a match recording and take a screenie, so I quickly threw some garries down and wrote how many squads might be covering an area.
This might not be 1:1 with comp strats, but it gets the idea across. Cause the logic is that you want to hold it all as to not let anyone get behind and set down a garry. (as Chum mentioned, HLL is very teleport-spawn based).

In these situations, you might have 1 squad of 6 guys semi-spread around their operational zone to cover the vast fields. Then more concentrated squads in and around the main objective to hold that down.

[finite berry]

Hate to disagree with you, but the positive word of mouth marketing is much more successful with HLL than the negative one

[worthy charm]

Just an example there is more stuff, but you get the point

[finite berry]

Otherwise HLL never would've gotten so big in the first place

[harsh egret]

Perhaps on the PC side that may be true, but neither me or anyone I know that has played this game for a decent length of time on console can in good conscience recommend buying it to anyone who considers us a friend.

[finite berry]

Don't get me wrong, I'm not denying that; how could I, I'm not familiar with console performance

[arctic rampart]

It is 100% word of mouth + generic hype moment marketing via tiktok and yt shorts etc.

[worthy charm]

What they dont show is the walking simulator

The driving 5 minutes to flank

[arctic rampart]

That's why the majority of the OG's are various European players and then the majority of 1 week-er noobs are generic "gamers (aka I only play Minecraft and Counter-strike)" normies from the UK, US etc.

No offence... this time..

[granite silo]

hmmm alright, its completely different from squad but the teams in HLL still stay fairly close together, probably for communication/callouts and than also reviving or something?

[harsh egret]

Well tiktok and social media marketing campaigns are paid for and pushed by fakes and this is the new strategy of the information age. It is way more impactful and cheaper than paying for billboards or TV spots. There was actually just a fascinating article about this I read if I can find it. It is actually insane.

[finite berry]

☝️ this

That and HLL's accessibility to the general shooter audience

[arctic rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1036120241366896691/1509262365403643945/image.png?ex=6a18899c&is=6a17381c&hm=e3ebcd99c7b98e3179f91f1eb6c985789d7ea1564512cf78c3475bfc7981d3cf&

This might be a more realistic look for a pub match. There's more to it like armor, recon squads etc. but the idea is that the main blob of bozos is very much more concentrated, since simply that's the hardcap and they don't know where else to go and then you might have 1-2 squads trying to flank.
Not always that's going to be full squads, it might be 2-3 man groups or even that very much solo SL.

[wraith kraken]

I am evil pelican

[silk igloo]

My rule of thumb is one outpost for one grid. An infantry squad should stick to the same area or objective, even if they're spread over a 600 meter line advancing towards something. Unless someone has a critical mission like building nodes or blowing up a tank

[granite silo]

but in comp matches, its mostly just soloing/lone wolfing? Or is it still recommended to stay fairly close within your squads range?

[arctic rampart]

If by teams you mean the squads, they stay together in pub games, since they all spawn on the same spawns.
As you get better and better matches (aka more skilled players, more map knowledge, more strategy with movement and commander abilities) you'll see less and less of sticking in big piles outside of the hard-cap.

[arctic rampart]

You stay within like 30-60 meter distances. Sometimes you might run in groups of 2-3.

Comp has quite the meta of making more squads than players you have and then not filling them.
The optimal squad composition (from my perspective off the top of my head) only requires like 3 or 4 players, you don't need the full 6.
So it's more optimal to have additional squads, that might be less players or even just solo SL's, due to their capabilties of easily getting in advantageous positions.

When they finally do, they can relay over comms that they've placed their Outpost in a good spot and then people will swap squads and fill it up and proceed to use that advantageous outpost to reach their goal better.

[wintry thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/pig-bubbles-pink-side-eye-look-gif-552584991788285013

[arctic rampart]

https://tenor.com/fR278uSW6dD.gif

[granite silo]

ahh ok, so its not like they are super far apart

[wintry thistle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1169482276174823494/1509237143262724146/image0.gif

[little vigil]

you get more OPs so more possible spawns and you gain way more power weapons.

IIRC like a ~4 man German squad can be

• G43
• STG44
• STG44
• either MG or MP40

[arctic rampart]

I was thinking just in general more rockets and satchels 😄 But yeah, weapons for sure are a factor as well

[silk igloo]

Depends on the terrain. You dont want to leave an alley unchecked or an enemy might slip past you. On an open map like kursk, two riflemen could be 400m from each other and stop anyone from slipping between them.

[arctic rampart]

But again, "sticking" together is not that big of a thing in HLL as it is in squad, since we don't do revives here.
99% of somewhat decent HLL players will instantly tell you to never touch medic, since it's insanely niche to have it in your squad.

[granite silo]

like, still in range so they can revive and also refrag and support eachother

[arctic rampart]

yeah the refragging would be the biggest thing. Since the goal is to never let anyone through, like Jairion said

[granite silo]

looking at a comp match rn and they still stay "decently" close to eachother, sometimes even blobbing, and also sitting in the same houses etc...

[arctic rampart]

I mean cover's cover.

And ofc they stick together if it's like:
A: the only decent position around
or
B: It's in the strongpoint

[little vigil]

lol, the HLL wiki is so funny

How to play poorly: A selfish Machine Gunner doesn’t communicate well or listen to his unit or Officer. He plays as point-man and is often killed before he has the chance to deploy his weapon. A bad Machine Gunner will shoot on sight rather then suppress the enemy.

[arctic rampart]

It very much depends on the context

[little vigil]

its less "sticking together" and more "being in a good position" and sometimes that means you are together

[arctic rampart]

Exactly, perfectly said

[granite silo]

ye but when they spread out its not like they are 100m appart

most of the time

[arctic rampart]

At this point, I'm questioning why tf are you so interested in sticking together so close?

[little vigil]

in a lot of maps being spread out will mean you are fairly close

[granite silo]

just wanna know the pros and cons

[little vigil]

fundamentally there are very few pros to sticking together for the sake of being near each other

[arctic rampart]

Instead of doing that, just study garry spots and the general rules around how to place them.
That'll bring more value to you and your team

[little vigil]

spawns are king

[arctic rampart]

And don't be that Spotter who places their OP next to the main transport road for the enemy kekw

[little vigil]

you can win games entirely based on placing them and destroying the enemy spawns. You can do this, largely, by yourself (in pub matches)

[slate canopy]

My favorite thing to do as spotter ❤️ Take out enemy garrisons

[arctic rampart]

I still remember how I was practicing with a squad I got assigned to for one of the few comp matches I've played.
Dude was like a army vet or something, sounded maybe like around his thirties, nearly forties.

he tried teaching me some 2 - 3 moving system.

[worthy charm]

Or the commander who airdrops supplies on a recon op

I swear people do this and it hurts my brain

[arctic rampart]

And I just rofled and proceeded to crouch jump chicken run across an open field

[arctic rampart]

https://tenor.com/bL9gY.gif

without asking or discussing it beforehand - instant BOZO classification.

But there are times when there is no other option or it needs to go up ASAP

[little vigil]

I was playing Squad and had this insane SL who kept trying to get us to having leapfrog from key terrain feature to key terrain feature.

And we were like actively losing the cap so literally just run to it. this milsim cosplay does nothing

[fair robin]

Anyone who player the closed beta, was gameplay more solo or working together

[little vigil]

dog its going to be HLL

[arctic rampart]

I really love the idea of SQUAD, but I hate the ticket system, it screws over too much for me when playing

[arctic rampart]

Vietnam? If so, it played 1:1 with current hll. Outside of the looks, gameplay didn't change at all. Same teleport-based gameplay

[prisma fiber]

Imagine HLL

But more humid

And runs way worse on your pc

[forest sparrow]

Are we getting new German cosmetics in the Juno Beach

[pine ember]

Hopefully not

But we get many new Canadian cosmetics

[past veldt]

Way more solo. NVA won 95% of games because they can spam tunnels with no supplies or any help from other players

[prisma fiber]

Also flying requires skill, but killing a pilot does not

If they release this game with choppers and tanks on the same maps it'll be pointless to spin up a chopper

[arctic rampart]

The closed beta state of choppers was a total gimmick

[thin lotus]

15 teleports lmao

[covert elbow]

“Suppress the enemy” lmao. lol even

[winter rover]

For eastern front maps like Stalingrad give us the G41 instead of the G43. And for the G41, make it so the player reloads with stripper clips instead of switching out the mag

[obtuse dragon]

The wiki has so much misinformation

[obtuse dragon]

the G41 would be a good way to turn the G43 a level 6 gun for assault

[little vigil]

i too remember "early war germans"

[obtuse dragon]

because i know that the devs wouldn't add specific weapons for maps to add historical accuracy, but they could replace the late war weapons with early war weapons on the lower levels, like replacing the STG for the MKB in level 1

[winter rover]

Yeah make G41 and MKB both lv 6

[winter rover]

Well, at least the G41 and 43 look similar

Could make one more unique by giving either one stripper clip reload

[obtuse dragon]

or viceversa, they could turn them in level 1 and reduce their instakill range a bit so you can feel the STG and G43 better than those

And then you could unlock the G43 or STG in level 3 or 6 depending of the class

[winter rover]

or just have it in stalingrad

and just have the G41 and MKB, with the g43 and stg removed

[obtuse dragon]

knowing these devs they wouldn't do that

[winter rover]

Don't see why not for the G41? Very identical weapon

maybe not nvm

ugh, stupid vietnam crap

[covert elbow]

The G43 should also be stripper clips

[pine ember]

Dont mention it... So sad we never got it...

[pine ember]

Even the MKb is out of place

[covert elbow]

Just have a captured PPSH instead of the STG

[pine ember]

Something that would be really cool would be 1941 Germans vs 1941 Soviets, without the G41 (or very few)

[novel geyser]

or remove automatic rifleman in general

[pine ember]

This

And Assault and tanks too

[covert elbow]

But not for US

[novel geyser]

yea

I think assault should stay but needs a big loadout rework specifically the grenadier loadout

[finite berry]

Asymmetrical (sub) faction balance, my beloved

[novel geyser]

real

its too good for hll

[supple scaffold]

Question for HLL:V, if you pre-order any of the editions, do you get access to an early beta playtest or does it start overall on the 29th

[novel geyser]

I dont believe there is any early access for pre orders
Theres an open beta this weekend and then the release

[cedar ore]

early beta is free

[covert elbow]

Will I ever be happy?

[cedar ore]

depends are you happy now?

[slow tapir]

Hmm, anyone got any idea on how big the beta will be?

Kinda hoping it’s not the whole 60gbs as expected

[nova pivot]

No

[wind rampart]

Level 1 bug needs to be addressed

[obtuse dragon]

It's been years

We are NOT addressing the elephant in the room 😔

[nova pivot]

Who are you?

Do you have any power here?

[slate canopy]

He's a reddit mod for Vietnam

[nova pivot]

Why is he the same colour as you?

That could derivate into confusion

[slate canopy]

🤷‍♀️ No clue.

[cyan saddle]

Reddit mod > discord mod

[past vortex]

omfg a reddit mod

im soooo excited

[nova pivot]

I don't know them , but tbf it's probably right the mods here are kinda meh

[slate canopy]

https://giphy.com/gifs/theoffice-w89ak63KNl0nJl80ig

[nova pivot]

Polarbear and clown are the only actual useful ones

Willes jokes are not funny and the rest of you are just there

Lurking in the shadows

[cyan saddle]

Glad to hear my jokes are not not funny

[past vortex]

does that mean you are now all wearing fedoras

[slate canopy]

https://giphy.com/gifs/fedora-pwincess-tip-CqR3C3xH4hh7roosuh

[daring lintel]

No, Wanna be happy?? Quit video games.

[nova pivot]

Nah

[void sundial]

Hey man, it would be awesome to have a dedicated chat channel for Vietnamese players, like #vietnamese or #vietnam-chat. Since the game is actually related to our country, we really need a space to hang out, discuss things, and share our feedback. Thanks for considering this!

[slate canopy]

We do have some set Language chats, or are you looking for the Vietnam HLL chat?

[void sundial]

Once the game HLL:VietNam launches, a ton of players from my country will definitely join the community. We'll really need a space to give feedback and build our own community around our language and culture

[slate canopy]

I think we'd need to see a pretty high demand for it for us to make a dedicated Vietnamese chat, so that could be possibility, otherwise we do have a HLL:V chat if you get Vietnam role in id:customize

[void sundial]

I can't see a 'Vietnam' role anywhere among these options "Would you like to participate in any of our other languages channel?"

[slate canopy]

We currently don't have a set Vietnamese language chat.

We DO have a section for the game.

[void sundial]

We’re already in those channels. Thanks for caring about our country!

[slate canopy]

I can pass onto the higher ups for getting a Vietnam language chat, but I cannot guarantee anything. We kinda need to see people in here to make one. Some aren't even used 😅

[void sundial]

If this goes through, that would be amazing. I just want to avoid a situation where HLL:VietNam gets popular and people from my country flood the English channels chatting in Vietnamese. That would just be super awkward

[slate canopy]

Sounds good 👍 Thanks for understanding!

[winter rover]

How is the mkb out of place?

[broken shoal]

Damn i just notice. What kind of map variations we gonna get in vietnam if everything is jungle?

[rustic ocean]

Any console players online ?

[slate canopy]

try in #console-looking-for-unit for best luck

[rustic ocean]

Okay thanks

[errant mango]

Is it true that beta is coming this 29 ?

[slate canopy]

For Vietnam : Players can also join the free Open Beta Weekend on Steam from May 29 through June 1 to experience Hell Let Loose: Vietnam before launch.
Sign up via FirstLook here

#sit-reps message

[ocean sage]

Update is going to be on the same day as my history exam
what fun

[blazing marsh]

Did they ever say anything else about console open beta?

[finite berry]

No

[lavish plover]

Just survived an entire game on the front lines!

[worthy charm]

https://klipy.com/gifs/crying-cat-sad-cat

Why am I the only one with not funny jokes?

Abu and Drew are surely not funny as well.

Right?

[oak current]

[pine ember]

Its pretty rare and was firstly used in larger numbers in early 1943

[past python]

Discord Mods are not allowed to be funny

They have to take their job extremely serious at all times

[worthy charm]

https://klipy.com/gifs/smg4-dont-say-it

german humor is no laughing matter

ahhhhh

[past python]

Well, it is. On a boomer's facebook post.

Als Deutscher kenn ich das nur zu gut

[charred patio]

tomorrows the day guys

[charred patio]

kann besser mit deutschen als mit engländer lachen tbh

ist schon ne Erfahrung 30 jahre alten typen zu erklären wer bonnie blue ist

[worthy charm]

Messhall was the german chat all along was it?

[charred patio]

lmao

[amber charm]

who or how do we go about having a division recruitment post removed so we can change a few things and post a new one?

[cyan saddle]

Send us a message via #modmail-request

[frail sonnet]

If you're the one who posted it - right click/long tap on the post and scroll down to "Delete post", or you can just edit it

[amber charm]

yeh it wasnt me who posted it, but thanks

[karmic oracle]

Today is the 28th. Will players who have already applied for registration on Firstlook receive a test email?

[past python]

Junge warum ausgerechnet Bonnie Blue 🥀

[charred patio]

haben arma gespielt und waren in nem van...

[past python]

Bruder 😭

Aber immerhin kommt dir als Erstes Bonnie Blue in den Sinn, wenn du an einen Van denkst

[charred patio]

bang bus

[past python]

Another legendary series I completely forgot about hahaha

[tall bobcat]

is the open beta live ?

[oak current]

no

tomorrow

[tall bobcat]

oh shit...I didnt look xD

Thanks

[light ermine]

Good morning

[past python]

Will the open Beta also be on console?

[finite berry]

No

[dusky zinc]

when can we see pictures of the delxue edition and preorder content?

[pine ember]

Neverrrr

[spice swallow]

anychance there is a preload for the beta before the open beta starts?

[karmic cloud]

^^

[silent beacon]

^^^

[fluid pawn]

I don't believe so. The testing app will jsut become available on Steam once it goes live

[novel geyser]

oh boy I can wait for HLLV

[covert elbow]

Wish I could play the beta…

[finite berry]

had to chuckle

[finite berry]

To play the game or to get upset at the inaccuracies?

[novel geyser]

Im gonna be hate playing the beta so much

[cyan saddle]

I'm looking for a copilot still

@azure heath made me look bad

[novel geyser]

do co pilots do anything or just sit there and look pretty?

[cyan saddle]

you fire flares, tell me where to land, and beg the commander for helis

[novel geyser]

wowee
how interesting

[cyan saddle]

and ill allow you to use the M60s as well

[graceful rapids]

Is it possible to start the downloading for the open beta today ? So it is ready to start directly when it goes live because i have a bad 5g internet 🫣

[cyan saddle]

Unfortunately not

[graceful rapids]

Thx for the fast reply

[spice swallow]

oh okay thanks

sad 🙁

[acoustic grail]

tomrrow open beta all can play?

[finite berry]

Only Steam

[past python]

SoulSniper's newest video is getting review bombed lol

Its funny how so many people are complaining about the bad state of the game. Sure, there is work to be done and it probably will release in a bad state. However, keep in mind that this is still an indie studio that does not charge 100 bucks like Call of Duty.

Speaking of Activision's cash cow: They do the same unfinished BS every year and still charge you 100 bucks and more for it. Are people complaining? Yes. Are they still buying it? Also yes.
So why dont give another studio a try - especially when its only half the price?

[harsh egret]

More of the endless copium. It is like watching a woman with battered wife syndrome endlessly justifying and defending her drunk husband who beats her up everyday. Sad.

[past python]

Dont know if this is targeted at me or at them

[harsh egret]

It's at everyone who has said that same excuse for T17 for like the last 5 years tbh. You're in a very long line at this point.

[past python]

my excuse?

I dont see an excuse. In fact, I even doubt that the game will launch in a good state

[harsh egret]

"Sure, there is work to be done and it probably will release in a bad state. However, keep in mind that this is still an indie studio that does not charge 100 bucks like Call of Duty."

That is an excuse

[past python]

Its not targeted at those who criticize the game for a good reason. But at those that are just crybabies that complain about literally everything

I haven't even pre-ordered it yet, since I wanna see for myself on release day

[harsh egret]

T17 has a market capitalization of about 500 million dollars, by the way.

[past python]

So far, the game has not convinced me yet

Aight, didn't know that

If you have a good reason to complain (and bugs are a good reason), then go ahead and do so. Hell, I do it all the time in Rainbow Six. But complaining just for the fun of it and then go buy the new COD is just stupid and has nothing to do with valid criticism

I for myself haven't given T17 any money yet, since I don't trust the product

[novel geyser]

I am sure T17 are capable of doing better

[past python]

I really hope they do so

[novel geyser]

They've had plenty of oppertunities to do so

[harsh egret]

I'm kinda past complaining at this point. I did plenty of that and most of the vets in here will tell you as much. At this point I'm just observing and calling balls and strikes.

But yeah, I rooted for HLL. I got a ton of people into it early on, and then I watched it get more and more butchered and broken and neglected with every update. It crashes literally all the time on consoles and runs terribly. I even paid for and ran a server and co-lead a clan for years, where we were trying to create new environments and tournament style historical wargames for the community. It honestly just became impossible to maintain or get anything going consistently because of how frustrating the game is to even try and set up and play it with the terrible friends system, comms bugs, constant crashing, etc etc etc. It wasn't just like having a second job, but like having a 3rd and 4th job too just trying to make good things happen. I retired and hung up my boots after the arty rework. I do chill here for the same reason one can't not look at a car accident or trainwreck.

And tbh it brings me no joy seeing them already giving HLLV the same treatment with console players.

[atomic pendant]

Keep in mind, Expression is the dev studio. T17 is the publisher.

[novel geyser]

well in that case
Im sure expression are capable of doing better

things like the tank smokes are great, they're adding mortars and bayonets to vietnam why the hell not in the ww2 game

[atomic pendant]

Truth is, those who dislike Hell Let Loose are going to dislike Vietnam most likely. Those who love HLL despite its flaws will likely enjoy HLLV despite its flaws.

[novel geyser]

I looked at the gameplay and was surprised how much looks copy and pasted from the ww2 game
I get it is still hell let loose but I thought they'd be making a new one to break free from the jank of the ww2 one but it looks almost as janky if not the same
I'll ofc have to try it out for myself

[atomic pendant]

My personal opinion on that is that they wanted to save mortars for Vietnam as a selling point, and felt SPAs would be a good stand-in for mortars and make HLL unique from Vietnam.

[novel geyser]

Well thats my biggest problem is I dont care for the vietnam game
It feels like a kick in the nuts to add HIGHLY requested features exclusively in the new game and leave the old one with barebones and poorly implimented mechanics

[past python]

I see your point. And you could not be more true, especially with the console take. I dont know, why they make it so hard to love the game. Its always a bet whether its gonna be a good match without lag or a bad one with the most terrible lag known to mankind.

And before you say anything: I am an IT technician. I know how to set up things.

Hahaha

[smoky urchin]

A lot of systems for sure look like they were copied into HLL:V, node system which is bad and needs to be changed, the Commander abilities stuck on an pre-made axis rotation rather than drag and click.

[novel geyser]

yep I dont understand why they are putting the worst mechanics back into the new game with no innovation or improvements

[past python]

its kinda funny how my message gathered all these people hahaha

[novel geyser]

the sudden release date for vietnam, canadian faction being stuffed with DLC
Just makes things feel soulless and purly cash grabby

[smoky urchin]

Personally the game doesn't appeal to me, not because it's Nam, I loved Rising storm 2, it's because the innovation and change hasn't happened that we have issues with from HLL and it's jank.

[past python]

Capitalism

[novel geyser]

yeah im exactly the same
I love the vietnam setting, but rising storm 2 was the perfect nam game and HLL is not going to replace that unless it really tried to improve on itself, which its clearly not

[past python]

And paid influencers. I dont know the contract Soul Sniper has with HLL, but its always a double-edged sword when influencers are doing collabs with a game

[novel geyser]

the entire hype around HLLV feels so consoomer driven

[past python]

Not pointing fingers at anyone btw.

[atomic pendant]

lol there's not a contract. There's no payment involved.

[past python]

Thanks for clarifying 🙂

[smoky urchin]

Even if there isn't, you get special access and with that, your opinion can be compromised.

[past python]

Exactly

[silk igloo]

he made a contract... with the devil!

[atomic pendant]

Also, I am open and honest about the state of HLLV and will give honest feedback on whatever is asked. That said, I love HLL and it's my favorite game despite it's flaws. So if I genuinely enjoy HLL or Vietnam, I will also say so.

[atomic pendant]

For me personally, I don't like to spend my time and energy making negative videos for views. It's just not fun for me and I prefer to make fun content, especially since what I do is mainly cinematic story driven stuff and not reviews, news, etc.

It doesn't mean I don't see the issues and agree with them.

[haughty geode]

Vietnam looks worse than the Original

[atomic pendant]

Nor does it mean T17 steers any of my content. I make what I want to make and post what I want to post.

[smoky urchin]

I'm just saying, that with content makers, and you see this in every other game where the devs include and disclose special things with content makers that their opinions can be compromised, so you can see why people would see it as such.

[past python]

Just because I called it a double-edged sword, it does not mean that it has to be the case. But it leaves an aftertaste. Not targeted at any specific influencer, but in general.

A good point for SoulSniper's trustworthiness is that he has been around since years, making videos of the game.

[silk igloo]

has soul even said anything yet, and we're already investigating him

[atomic pendant]

People just assume that all YouTubers are paid shill sellouts who will do and say anything for views. But if that were the case, I wouldn't be making content on a fairly niche game that came out in 2019 still in 2026 lol. I didn't make a single Battlefield game when it came out. In fact I never even tried it.

I'm not some JackFrags who just plays the latest beta or game and claims it's INSANE and THE NEXT BIG THING then moves on to the next title immediately.

[past python]

Hahahaha, I never liked this dude

Stylerz from germany is worse.

Warzone CC. Says a lot already

[atomic pendant]

Ask me whatever you want, I'll give my honest take

[harsh egret]

Well we know streamers get early access and special perks even if it is not direct payment. So you kinda can't blame people for expecting shill behavior. That being said, I have watched many SoulSniper vids bored at work and enjoy the content. Learned a lot when I was new to the game. For example, I noticed how much better and easier it seems with a mouse and keyboard versus my xbox controller.

[past python]

Given that many games release unfinished these days - what do you think abt the state of HLL at release? Sure, you are no dev and I dont expect you to have in-depth knowledge of everything, but based on what you saw and what you played - what would you say?

[atomic pendant]

I would have preferred to see the release date delayed, personally. It's serviceable as-is right now, and I did have fun playing it, but it is lacking in content and depth at the moment, and given that this is a full release, I would have liked to have seen more delivered on day 1 in the way of not only content, but moving more of the gameplay forward. Like mentioned earlier, the node system being unchanged as an example. There are some nice new features like swimming (above and below water), ladder climbing, and improved mantling/climbing and overall movement feels mostly better. Also a "fast crawl" when prone is a nice addition. But tunnels are a little underwhelming IMO (though I never expected to be able to actually construction enterable/playable tunnels), and helicopters are too vulnerable right now to be effective. Also not a pilot guy and have no real experience flying in other games, but my understanding is the flight model is quite basic and could use polish.

It's still a purchase for me, because HLL is my favorite game and this puts HLL in Vietnam

but I certainly hope to see a lot more added to the game in the first year+ of development

[past python]

Thank you for your honesty. I see the pain points and the fact that some of them have been unchanged really makes me hesitate

Btw: Can I join ur DC even tho I am from Europe? Hahaha

[atomic pendant]

It just needs a lot of polishing. But here is something else to consider that I have a unique perspective on. The initial beta we played was rough. The motion blur, performance issues, etc. I was actually shocked when I fired up this latest beta only a few short weeks later to see how much improved it was. It was night and day better. Still some issues for sure, but I couldn't believe the progress. So either that was an old build we played originally, or they are pumping a ton of work into this thing each week. That gives me a bit more hope that on June 18, it will be a more polished version of what I just recently played, which was a fun beta.

[atomic pendant]

Yea we have lots of euro buds in there, come on in

[past python]

thank you

[atomic pendant]

Another thing - we WCs have a more direct relationship and point of contact with T17 and Expression, so we're able to provide our feedback directly to them (positive and negative) without being loud in comments and discord and making videos slamming them as a way to try to force them or guilt them into looking into issues. I posted my personal feedback for the latest beta in a feedback channel, and the "bad" outweighed the good. But it was communicated constructively and in an organized fashion. Can't share it here, but to give you an idea...

Those were just some of the issues I shared with them

[finite berry]

I read WCs as the German abbreviation at first and was like what xDD

[past python]

Hahahaha