mess-hall

[wise tide]

(191 players rn)

(How many in a couple years)

(The hard part is letting go)

[limpid marten]

(whatchu know bout parentheses)

[wintry thistle]

probably 100

[solar carbon]

People who make a locked squad and are by themselves deserve crucifixion

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/whatever-go-my-scarab-whatever-go-my-true-scarab-go-my-scarab-morgan-freeman-gif-3091971228562826566

[wise tide]

Recon squads or tank squads

[finite berry]

It depends. Don't think it'll be that bad, especially considering the realism community is still thriving and our modding scene is VERY active

We'll literally get Operation Bagration this summer lol

[wintry thistle]

the game will always be alive

[finite berry]

Yep, exactly

[wintry thistle]

it has dedicated players that have chosen that as their game

[solar carbon]

FOR ME what pisses me off is that I LIKE playing Artilley
So when some annoying pretentous player decides, they would rather SOLO Artillery than play with OTHER people who actually wanna do it. OHHH it sends me.
Also worse, people who do private calls instead of gamechat. Hate.

[wise tide]

If hospice is alive then yes

[finite berry]

Oh, and the same modders have just announced that they'll add the Italian army and add Operation Shingle (Anzio) and Operation Husky (Sicily)

So content-wise, we'll do just fine

And as long as one or two servers are up, I'll keep playing the game. Like, I need one populated server so I can play, not 20 lol

Although I wouldn't mind 20 full servers, don't get me wrong

[wise tide]

The bar has been set lower than tadpole droppings

[solar carbon]

AND THEN people just leaving the squad forcing me to join a new one

[finite berry]

SL rotation is even worse than solo-locked squads

[agile basin]

The thing squad 44 mogs us on is having Pacific maps

[finite berry]

Believe me, I'd trade the Pacific maps any day for a fraction of HLL's playerbase

Although Guadalcanal is nice and very unique to play; great map

In any case, adding the Pacific was the wrong choice

[agile basin]

Eh, I value HLL a lot more, for reasons that are pretty evident when looking at one over the other

[finite berry]

I get that 😄

[wintry thistle]

Italians would be awesome

[finite berry]

Yep :D

[finite berry]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/538055883075354637/1507500463942013029/image.png?ex=6a1220b6&is=6a10cf36&hm=11658f0c1c7aeeeb626764619e6f08b14f12257056959f687e643c04bd9240c6&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[mystic blade]

oooo husky would be incredible!

[finite berry]

(it's not for HLL, tho)

[wintry thistle]

Nice me and my buddy are probably gonna check that out then

[finite berry]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/538055883075354637/1507500763247673466/image.png?ex=6a1220fd&is=6a10cf7d&hm=00ea67eebad42e1d12338dc5cca84fbe383972fd83a15182e2f71a989588f627&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=2162&height=1216

we'll even get this boi

[finite berry]

Nice :D I strongly recommend you check out Operation Bagration too. Knowing those modders, that mod will be fire

[silent beacon]

EU 🙁

[paper pulsar]

i really hope we can get a leibermuster dlc pack at some point lol

i wanna put my guys up in camo that:

1. isn't zeltbahn ponchos
2. isn't SS

[limpid marten]

This dude is implying SS never used the liebenmustard boys

[obtuse dragon]

please god anything but the SS

[nova pivot]

That was like ultra mega super late war

[finite berry]

How about we get accurate subfactions per map instead :)

[nova pivot]

But yes I love leibermunster and his direct descent the alpenflage

[nova pivot]

That too, but I would tolerate the leibermunster that thing is so cool man

[paper pulsar]

yeah but it was designed for all ones lol

[nova pivot]

Don't listen to him my fellow red camuflage lover

[limpid marten]

It's too late to correct now the damage is done

[obtuse dragon]

like csgo!

Too bad that's too much effort for the devs

[nova pivot]

The ETA subfaction was wild

[obtuse dragon]

and the one on dust for the CT

They were cool, fitted the aesthetic of maps and made sense, then cs2 came and now you got "evil default masked guy" and "good default masked guy", hll kinda suffers the same with the lack of subfactions

[undone pivot]

its not that hard to make new uniforms bud

[cosmic pilot]

Absolutely NO SOLIDIFICATION

You know what, I'm leaving the typo

[worthy charm]

I always knew it

Elise true form is liquid

[obtuse dragon]

Kinda, after all, they take around 3 months... 5 months... Idk how much but they usually take more than 3 months to release new uniforms

[solar carbon]

The Quick match button doesnt work lol

[slate canopy]

Use Enlist 👍

[solar carbon]

bleh

[azure ether]

Use horse

[rancid pecan]

Just tried enlisted and what can i say, for a free game i guess its not bad but i dont feel like playing poorly balanced matches with bots and wooden guns

[obtuse dragon]

btw those unbalanced weapons are the paid ones

[next goblet]

Had to share this here, absolute gold

https://youtube.com/shorts/M_eo6mxAGto?si=NhOikL3PohqcTrzf

I wonder if Donald is in here haha

[cosmic pilot]

i know where he is

nevermind

[past vortex]

naw

[obtuse dragon]

On high BR yeah, the game is insanely p2w

In low BR p2w players are less common but they can still demolish the enemy team with their strong squad that also came with the strong weapon that they bought

[bronze tree]

Hay let loose

[bronze tree]

Enlisted is a really good bang for your buck, even though its free

[past vortex]

there is almost no paid stuff that is meta, especially in br5

[obtuse dragon]

last time i checked 7 different guys were using paid guns in a BR5 game, i even saw a sad mf that paid like 20-30 bucks for that one half track on the german BR

[obtuse dragon]

actually all of the paid guys were using the same gun but i completely forgot which and i am NOT reinstalling that sht hole just to check a gun

[arctic rampart]

@worthy charm I got Wardogs closed access

[azure ether]

New dlc

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-thiago-mad-angry-fist-emoji-gif-17761307

[finite berry]

Törken

[thin scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/grr-grrr-grrrr-grrrrr-grrrrrr-gif-11468024821216396093

[ionic gorge]

@slim basin why can’t I send you any more messages?

[spring trench]

For any of the devs that are here.

Don't use Denuvo for Vietnam... It's... Uh... Causing alot of chaos in the 007 First Light discord and reddit.

[pine ember]

Why is there so much DLC in the new update?

[novel geyser]

Desperate to keep the series afloat

[pine ember]

Hell let loose already is in the grave

[slow tapir]

Totally

[silent beacon]

https://klipy.com/gifs/block-button-block

[silent beacon]

That's why you're on this server right? 😭

[pine ember]

Just look at my profile

I am here since almost 5 years

[silent beacon]

https://klipy.com/gifs/brock-lesnar-big-boy

[pine ember]

I played long enough to know the state of the game

[pine ember]

https://tenor.com/view/bingchilling-gif-1158789153226372051

[frank walrus]

has anyone ever managed to fix the blurry graphics

1440p and everything on epic, community taa, the whole thing is still blurry

[silk igloo]

Even on clarity AA?

[frank walrus]

I don't use it, Community used to be the go to a few years ago I just reinstalled the game

[wise tide]

I cant believe these mf charging for a whole helmet skin lmaooooo

A HELMET

Call it doctor, just mf call it at this point please

[silk igloo]

Well, check if it makes any difference. If it's not crisp, then something else is wrong, like your resolution or your GPU using some default DLSS option or something

[frank walrus]

i mean it's 1440p, unless the game runs itself at a lower res idk, I will check out the DLSS, if not i'll just slap a sharpen game filter on it and call it a day

like I can see the gun in my hand crisp, but 50 metres or so infront of me it's just blurry like you're playing on 720p or loww 1080p

[silk igloo]

Could also be your monitor having a setting of it's own. I fiddled with mine for the first time in 3 years and discovered an "FPS" mode which had some... undesirable effects on grass (nvm, it must be something they did to the in-game AA)

[frank walrus]

I'm playing on a laptop with amd super resolution so i upscale it to 1440p but i remember the game being much clearer than this

yeah dlss over ride is on default, which setting do i pick?

[silk igloo]

Pretty sure upscaling and DLSS make everything blurrier

[frank walrus]

i mean the game is clearer than 1080p but as if it's rendering the first 50 metres infront of you clearly but then anything farther is rendered really poorly

[frank walrus]

i sent it in memes channel, so the wall and gun are crisp, the truck and the house behind them have this slight annoying blurr

i'll try on a game filter i guess

[silk igloo]

You could put the AA on clarity, if that fixes it, and then apply some other AA setting from the GPU

[frank walrus]

nope just makes everything very aggressively sharpened

[dire talon]

Can the enemies hear me in proximity chat?

[finite berry]

No

[dire talon]

Damn i wanted to scare them😔

[finite berry]

Scare them by shooting them

[cosmic pilot]

Switch to standard taa

It's still blurry but it smears less

All of the taa options smear for me at 1440p

The worst culprit are leaves close to your face

[fair robin]

No proximity chat doesn't make sense

[steel trout]

i would ask for a proximity chat so that maybe just maybe i could, We could, all of us could do a Christmas cease fire sometimes. it has been a dream of mine to just make the commanders fight while we all circle around and sing.

[frank walrus]

stuff close to my face is pretty clear, stuff farther than 50 metres are just slightly blurry, not blurry enough to be very prominently, just enough to annoy you

standard and clarity makes the edges so sharp they tear

[wintry thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/red-army-ww2-idi-i-smotri-come-and-see-ven-y-mira-gif-6524760163788292390

[feral vine]

Wrong world war

[wintry thistle]

Christmas truce on the war of annihilation on the eastern front

[cosmic pilot]

standard is the most visually stable

clarity is extrememly noisy

[thin scarab]

Ben today is end of the Week and still no News on Console Beta 😑

[zenith hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/how-do-we-tell-him-mr-krabs-spongebob-meme-spongebob-meme-gif-24063814

[rich turtle]

i destroyed my first garry today

[wise tide]

Shoulda camped it with a machine gun

[rich turtle]

im to new for that

[frank walrus]

whoever thought it was a good idea to make the rocket ammo only 2 rounds instead of 3 should be duct tapped to a chair and forced to respawn on a garrison that is deliberately underfire by a german machine gunner who thinks he's playing COD and wants to rack up KD for 5 hours straight every day for 30 days

[finite berry]

Why would it be 3

[frank walrus]

because you're forced to respawn to kill a tank, which is ok when you're defending you just wait an extra 20 seconds but when you're very far from a garry or an outpost and you only have 2 rockets the tank driver will just repair after the tank kills you and noob armour players who don't communicate whatsoever don't get punished for poor positioning and for their commander blindness

[cosmic pilot]

That puts you in the top 2% of players

[cosmic pilot]

Why should you be able to kill a tank in 1 life that costs 500 resources when your life costs 0.

I mean, you can do it in 1 life with 2 max rockets if you use teamwork to get an ammo box from a support player

[frank walrus]

there still should be a way to punish careless tankers, and Idk if this is some update but im putting two in the back of panzer 4s and they are still not dying

as far as i remember mediums die when taking 2 rounds to the back and 3 to the sides

and heavies needed 3 bazooka rounds

[cosmic pilot]

so you have no real argument

that's what i'm reading

[frank walrus]

"no real argument"

2 crew tanks or simply 3 crew tanks that have a blind commander positioning themselves so poorly that it's an eye sore to look at take 2 rounds to the engine, survive, kill you, driver repairs, they continue playing in that horrible way forever because there are no consequences

[cosmic pilot]

so use teamwork

[frank walrus]

your argument about my life costing 0 resources i can just run up with a satchel and achieve the same outcome, unless you want to change tanks dying to need 2 satchels i think my argument is fine

[covert elbow]

I’d love for rocket launchers to do more damage and have more ammo but it’s simply not possible at this moment because satchels are the real tank killers and launchers are simply to numerous. If satchels are nerfed to only be disabling devices for the tanks engines and tracks while bazookas get limited per team we can have them do more damage but until then, they need to stay weak

I don’t play this game often but when they buffed the launchers ammo litteraly no tank could get on our defensive point because there was 5 guys with launchers, including me, spamming rockets at the enemy

[cosmic pilot]

bazookas need to be powerful in proportion to their availability
rockets are much more available than tanks hence they need to be less powerful

[frank walrus]

I mean tanks are already pretty strong i use to drive tanks a LOT and with a commander having 2 eyes and being on the average scale of human iq you can survive pretty long and turn games around by yourself using 1 tank, my issue is that I think tanks are becoming way too strong because when people who are already positioning themselves so poorly get away with horrendous mistakes that should cost them, imagine what a tank can do when in the hands of experienced players

[cosmic pilot]

if you decrease the availability of the bazooka you could make it more powerful

[frank walrus]

And coming up on a tank with a satchel is kind of difficult especially when it is moving or in a an open field because 100000 people will snipe you

[frank walrus]

I don't spot more than like 6 bazookas per team, i think that's good enough considering how big the map is and how tanks are never meant to be this close up and personal with enemy infantry

unless it's supported by their own infantry of course and moving up in first or second gear

Sadge

anyways back to satchels i guess

[covert elbow]

That’s still a ton of bazookas

[cosmic pilot]

consider, that historically, you'd be lucky to have 2 bazookas for 50 men

[covert elbow]

They absolutely should be limited to 3-4 per team and have AT guns be more prevalent and tanks pushing back other tanks

[cosmic pilot]

if you're the germans you're even worse off

if you're the russians, you have 15 bazookas for every rocket

[frank walrus]

having AT guns requires you having competent support players, which is as you know pretty rare

[covert elbow]

I mean if we had a healthy playerbase again we wouldn’t

[cosmic pilot]

man shudders at the thought of having to use teamwork

[finite berry]

this

[covert elbow]

Also just… ask a support player for supplies?

[frank walrus]

sad to see, it even pushed me to abandon trying to nurse the team i use to enjoy support and medic but now everyone just gives up when i play medic and have their mics muted and probably voip disconnected when i play support, there is little coordination it's just a deathmatch at this point

[covert elbow]

It’s not everytime you’ll get them but you can sometimes

[frank walrus]

i haven't seen a single support player in so long

[echo karma]

Horse gun when

[finite berry]

That's funny because tankers will complain that they can't sit still for ten seconds without getting satcheled. Which is funny because just like @covert elbow said, satchels are the problem.

[covert elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/tspchan1-tsp-gold-ship-golshi-uma-musume-gif-17663220847219837854

[frank walrus]

I mean if your commander can't spot a full human being running at the tank in an open field for at least 15 seconds it's their problem. If you drive your tank into a village without proper infantry support again your problem, deserved to go boom

[echo karma]

https://tenor.com/view/horse-flames-horse-gun-guns-gif-17838703870302235434

[frank walrus]

and I used to play tanks, quite a lot, i have like at least 100 hours driving and gunning tanks

[finite berry]

Bro, are you seriously epxecting proper coordination between infantry and armour in this game

[echo karma]

It's rare

[covert elbow]

No satchels are absolutely the issue man. Their way to strong for how easy they are. It’d be much healthier if they could only track or disable parts of the tank so bazookas could have an easier time taking them out

[echo karma]

Stand around a big metal target. Not me

[frank walrus]

you dont need full coordination even im not expecting arma or squad type of coordination, you can even get away with just pings and not putting yourself in horrible positions, and have a commander with eyes that's all you need to survive literally

[echo karma]

S44 solved this issue already. No tracks. Stuck tank

[finite berry]

Yes, but like Hyrum said, why would you be able to easily take out a tank on your own when the tank costs resources while you basically can respawn as often as you want?

[frank walrus]

I dont think they are easy, you cant outrun a moving tank, and you need to get up close with the tank which again you can get spotted by the commander and the entire enemy team around the tank, if the commander drives the tank right into the enemy team with no support he deserves to go boom

[cosmic pilot]

If you're really concerned about the tank running away, shoot in the tracks with the tradeoff of requiring more ammo.
What's the difference if you can't kill the tank in the first 2 shots of it can't run away?

[oak current]

outrun a moving tank? did they nerf the speed of tanks?

[past veldt]

Only issue with satchels is the sheer amount of them. Limit it to engineers and call it a day

[frank walrus]

I would take satchels to only disable tanks and bazookas stay at 2 if none of the tank crew can repair the tank and you need an engineer with that loadout to repair

[frank walrus]

the problem is the driver just takes 20 seconds to repair the tank fully like nothing ever happened

[covert elbow]

Dude as someone who’s been playing for years, it’s way too easy. The point isn’t that you need a good tank crew to avoid satchels. It’s that it’s a tool that’s way to easy to use and capitalize on a single mistake the enemy tank does and depending on the skill level of the crew can be quite easy

[frank walrus]

Agreed

[echo karma]

Satchel is ridiculous imo too but these devs will never change it

[cosmic pilot]

Is it the problem

[covert elbow]

I will just stalk a tank for minutes for them to stop once and then hit them with a satchel. It’s crazy

[covert elbow]

Limit it to engineers and make them only disable tanks so they can be used in their actual design. Clearing enemy fortifications

[frank walrus]

Yeah to me, mistakes should be punished, and not slight mistakes I'm talking like Hell let loose 2 hours noob mistakes at this point

if i were to grab 2 of you guys who know how to play and hop in a tiger or a jumbo I assure you we'd never lose a game

if we position ourselves properly and have a commander who's actually scanning around the tank i cant see how a dude would run up to the tank in the open or around our infantry and satchel us

[covert elbow]

Not until a guy with a satchel gets us when we stop for 0.5 seconds

[echo karma]

Satchel should just blow tracks but tracks should take longer to repair too. Repair in general is too fast

[frank walrus]

How many Kgs of explosives is the satchel actually

[covert elbow]

Oh and if the engine is disabled it can’t move at all

[echo karma]

I think its 5

[covert elbow]

3kg. It’s absolutely nothing

It wouldn’t even dent most of the armor in game

[silk igloo]

back in the day AT mines used to instantly detonate and one-hit kill tanks when you placed them next to a tank track... good times

[frank walrus]

yeah i'd be absolutely for making it just track or disable the tank if you remove the repair kit from the crew members and have them require engineers to fix their tanks

[past veldt]

No, tanks still need to be punished for poor positioning. Rockets are great, but again they're limited and you do not want only one role in a fast paced game like HLL to be able to kill tanks.

Imagine only AT could kill tanks. If your squads AT role is taken by a bad player, you're done. Zero ability to counter and therefore it's too easy to troll. Having a second role have an ability to counter tanks (engineer, fewer mines and a satchel) limits troll and bad player potential

[echo karma]

No but it unrealistically blows the whole tank up lol

[finite berry]

I agree, but I'm not sure whether that attitude really fits HLL in its current state

[covert elbow]

Side note, still boggles me that you can only disable mines, AT and AP, with explosives and we can’t even let engineer have a tool to disable them

[frank walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-crying-meme-doggo-crys-megan-soo-crying-dog-gif-5276199764143986284

[covert elbow]

I’d be down for that as well

[past veldt]

Honestly, tanks in tournaments get satcheled all the time. Every player makes a mistake at some point

[little vigil]

just make tanks cheaper and more common becuase infantry is cheap and more common

[silk igloo]

you can shoot AP mines, but yeah. even BF6 does this better, you can pick enemy mines up and set them down as your own

would be devious in HLL

[covert elbow]

Y’know what they could do to punish bad tank positioning?

Decreasing the commanders precision strike and making it more reliable so it can damage/ destroy the tank

Just like real life!

[past veldt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1320450047002939428/1489930875125633084/Weasel_Cam.gif

[frank walrus]

Long ago i used to pick that loadout for the engineers and have my officer actually tell me the tank needs help i'd go up and fix it after they retreat back from the frontline, that was very fun and rewarding, now people taking engineers for satchels or just for the initial 2 minutes of node spam and let the role go for the rest of the game

[past veldt]

If this is possible in tournaments, then you can satchel tanks

[echo karma]

Tanks don't cost anything either. Arbitrary number and time

[little vigil]

you made a mistake by trackign him

[covert elbow]

It still causes the explosion and gives you away. My wishlist for mines is,

Give engineers a disabling tools to get rid of enemy mines without them exploding for an xp reward

Allow players to bury mines with a shovel but have it take a few seconds

[echo karma]

Same with garrisons. S44 solved this

[covert elbow]

Not to mention tank crews can just build a repair station now

[frank walrus]

WHAT

https://tenor.com/view/orange-fish-spognebob-phone-gif-3064144843174203984

[little vigil]

tanks are just going to be forever hosed in this game, their design nearly from the start was antithetical to how HLL plays

[past veldt]

Fixing PStrikes would count as a commander fix and not a tank fix, therefore it's never going to happen

[little vigil]

and the only real solution is to rethink their design but that obviously cannot happen now

[frank walrus]

would be cool if a bazooka round to the side would kill the gunner or commander while also damaging the tank

[little vigil]

both because it'd take too much time and playerbase revolt

[covert elbow]

Said it before, HLL needs a complete overhaul to get the game in line with itself. It really just feels like BM threw everything at the wall and it somehow stuck long enough for them to not do anything about it

[little vigil]

they had good art and time to fight is low

[little vigil]

thats how it is in '83 but tanks respawn fairly fast and have very little cost

Although it does have goofy consequences in that you know if you killed a tank crewmen but not if you've destroyed the transmision or something

[past veldt]

They should overhaul the game to be more realistic and amazing and squad based and set it exclusively in 1943

Maybe they could call it Squad 43 or something

I'm sure the playercount would only increase

[silk igloo]

HLL in 2019 was very different to how it is now. Tankers didnt get repair tools, and you needed teammates near you to build garris and OPs. You had to play together

[little vigil]

but you actually see tank crewmen dismount from the tanks and fight alongside infantry becuase of the way they are costed

[frank walrus]

now it feels like COD deathmatch

[past veldt]

The game feels almost exactly the same as Update 7 (in 2020)

[covert elbow]

Man I still hate how SL’s don’t need friendlys nearby to place outposts

[little vigil]

I think the biggest difference is in how combat felt. Back in 2019 the game had some pretty insane suppression. IIRC like a single shot from a K98 would heavily suppress you

So fights were a bit longer and focused more focused on area control than killing

[covert elbow]

I’ve had an idea to where squad that only works in the spawn menu so you can communicate and coordinate there but once your on the field you can only use proximity chat to communicate

[little vigil]

like an MG could genuinely suppress guys along a like 100 meter frontage

[silk igloo]

Old SMDM was also very open, so it was more like a fight over some specific squares

[echo karma]

Back in the day you could solo tank a recon and get 200k in 5 mins

[covert elbow]

That way squads are forced together and the dead can’t reveal anything on death

[frank walrus]

i went on youtube before redownloading and the amount of run and gun lean spam clips were horrendous, like yeah that's not how it is supposed to be but well to each his own i guess

[covert elbow]

Dude really? That’s one of my dreams is for suppression to be more effective in game why did they change that???

[echo karma]

Casuals

Smgs used to be deadly too

[covert elbow]

“A game for everyone is a game for no one” seems to really apply to this game

[past veldt]

It's PVP. People will find advantages and use them. If the developers didn't want it to be used, they'd find a way to fix it

[echo karma]

Was a bit campy but whatever. It's milsim lite ttk

[covert elbow]

Don’t think that applies here because leaning has been bugged for years and it’s obviously an exploit. Hell I think it’s if you lean left behind a wall you don’t even appear

[silk igloo]

It was different https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUfqsKWgz8o

[frank walrus]

i don't think the devs would want to limit the playerbase my guess is that it isn't that high and these types of youtubers would bring a bunch more players who play arcade like deathmatches

[silk igloo]

Put the time in 1:39

[covert elbow]

Awh man those M1 garand sights are perfect

[echo karma]

Old Thomson sounds ahhh

[little vigil]

iirc it was the ballistics update or animation update where they nerfed it. Probably because they were redoing just the whole system.

I don't think it was super intentional but it dramatically changed the combat system.

[past veldt]

You've just described why it applies. It can be fixed (no spam aim penalties etc) but it hasn't, so it's used

[little vigil]

But with the old suppression system if a US soldier with a garand jump 2-3 K98 germans it would be mostly a fair fight

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/jeremy-clarkson-sometimes-my-genius-almost-frightening-driving-car-ride-gif-16463163

[little vigil]

since even a near miss with the K98 would heavily suppress the Garand

[echo karma]

You'll see when wardogs comes out. It's not for casuals. They will hate it

[covert elbow]

Side note on suppression, I really wish it would decrease the opacity and then completely disable your hud and player names to really punish you for being suppressed

[echo karma]

Another reason why medic is trash

They changed suppression for no reason

[past veldt]

If you're inside a capture sector, the game is essentially a team deathmatch for the regular infantry.

The devs have done loads to limit the playerbase, like the railroad vaulting we have now, patches to rooftops etc

[little vigil]

Put a much larger focus on teamwork

Honeslty wardogs seems like hopes and dreams.

[echo karma]

Can't mix up all the fps games and think your gonna get players from everywhere

There's a reason hll is so successful

[frank walrus]

I used to avoid regular infantry gameplay and i used to drive tank or play engineer to fix tanks / play support but the flock of new players when the game was free on epic made me be AT or assault because the players were literally shooting at tanks with Garands and machine guns, i hated it but it was the only way we didn't get over run

[covert elbow]

The collective intelligence has not recovered since epic

And I don’t think it ever will

[past veldt]

People have been crying about match quality forever

I don't think it's much worse than when the game went full release in 2021 or when game pass got the game or when I first started or which update you believe killed the game

[covert elbow]

But after epic it truly became unrecoverable

[past veldt]

The only reason you think it's worse is because you've gotten better

[echo karma]

Ehh it's in a good spot. You get a milsim Chad in here, he wrecks everyone

[covert elbow]

Oh sorry, gamepass not epic. Really mixed that up there

[echo karma]

It was also free on ps plus shortly after port

[past veldt]

People also cried after every free weekend that match quality was basement level

[frank walrus]

i left the game and played some arma reforger at that time but arma was so poorly optimised you needed a very high end GPU to have the game run at any higher than 70 fps and not stutter when joining modded servers, it was very fun tho, coordinated, slow paced and an actual milsim

[echo karma]

Well cuz casuals don't care about teamwork, comms nothing. They run around in field and shoot teammates

[past veldt]

I had some fun on Arma reforger just spawn camping a bunch of roleplayers with a sniper

[echo karma]

I like reforger but it's too milsim and UI is dogwater

[frank walrus]

I mean arma at some point also turned into a team death match with WCS servers but the playerbase actually cared about it being a milsim and slow paced so there were a lot of servers that satisfy everyone

[past veldt]

I realised what all these milsim games get wrong is making getting kills so powerful while the playerbase pretends they're not

[echo karma]

It's usually just dumb fast ttk and spawn mechanics.

[past veldt]

There was another game, I forget which, where people would lose stuff when they died and had to resupply. Might have been arma reforger(?). Whole player base was yapping about squad play but after 20 minutes of farming people were just running out of the base with a single magazine and a dream

[echo karma]

Enlisted?

[frank walrus]

arma hardcore is that, you can only spawn back at HQ and move out in teams

[past veldt]

Might have been Arma then

[echo karma]

Arma3 is dope tho. Still. What almost 20 yrs old

[frank walrus]

and you had medics in the team too who actually perform cpr and they have 3 different shots and you can easily overdose and die so they had to actually figure out what's wrong with you and fix you up

it was fun but too hardcore for me, i would have played it alot of i had like 4-5 friends who owned arma

[echo karma]

Hll is like that perfect mix between bf5 and arma. Doesn't lean to far either way

Hopefully they get HllV right.

[frank walrus]

Hll is when you want to go home and chill and have some fun with friends without sweating really hard which i absolutely loved, was the perfect combo of teamwork and relaxed gun gameplay a bit

i'll try to play as an engineer and stay around our tanks let me see if there are any empty servers that have a level minimum requirment

[echo karma]

Engy my fav. AP mines go brrr

[frank walrus]

Petition to give engineers G43 on the default loadout

[echo karma]

His second load out the best but I like his 3rd too

Is shotgun still gory in hllV? Haven't seen any footage of dude getting blown to bits yet

[frank walrus]

man the carbine is so bad im gonna go play medic instead

oh medic gets carbine too, how convinient

[nova pivot]

You can always use the 1911

[little vigil]

I wouldnt say its the perfect mix

its acceptable but there are a lot of systems that don't make any sense, don't work, and drag the game down

[covert elbow]

Carbines great idk what you mean

[frank walrus]

nah they feel sloppy to control i dont like them

[covert elbow]

100% the truth. It’s to much of a mix of everything that it doesn’t work out in the end

[frank walrus]

Garand, MP40, Thompson, G43 and Stg 44 on top

[covert elbow]

You’re probably just using it wrong. It’s a close range weapon

[analog lake]

Ahh that actually makes a lot more sense then.
If it’s intended as a close-range weapon, the balance/design feels way easier to justify because the risk-reward is built into positioning already.
I think a lot of people probably picture it like a safer ranged option at first, when it sounds more like something meant to pressure enemies aggressively from mid-frontline distance instead. That gives it a pretty different tactical identity.

[little vigil]

Iirc carbine is OHK to 100 meters still

[covert elbow]

50

[frank walrus]

nah i was double tapping too many germans up close

[covert elbow]

That’s just hit reg

[limpid marten]

Surely not, I haven't played in a long time but I feel like the carbine got nerfed way back

[obtuse dragon]

You get a kill with that every millennium

[little vigil]

ah, I played a few months ago... Well I guess like 9 months ago and did well with it, but might have just been in a 50 meter zone

[obtuse dragon]

And if you're going for headshots with the m1911 point just use the M1C for the low recoil, ammo and the 25m instakill (tho I feel like it should be 50m)

[nova pivot]

Skill issue

[obtuse dragon]

Same goes for the M1C, the gun Is lowkey better than the M1G But everyone just got too used to the garand

[nova pivot]

The carbine is shi

[obtuse dragon]

Skill issue

[nova pivot]

It's a buffed m1911

[nova pivot]

Fair

[covert elbow]

God I want pistols to one shot up to 20m…

[covert elbow]

Also M1C? M1G? Is this a joke I’m not getting?

[little vigil]

a very weird way to say carbine and garand that I've literally never seen

The carbine is fine, but just due to the lack of weapon differentiation there isn't a ton of reason not to use the Garand. Especially given that its rare that you see more than like ~6 enemies at once

STG44 and BAR are hands down the best guns in the game tho

[obtuse dragon]

my grandpa used to call them like that 😔

[obtuse dragon]

20m for the pistols and 50m for the carbine would be so good...

[covert elbow]

Oh carbine and garand! I got confused because the M1C is an actual garand variant

[little vigil]

yea its the vietnam sniper iirc?

[covert elbow]

Korea

We had new stuff for Vietnam

[past veldt]

It is a 50m one shot range for the carbine

[frank walrus]

I want the trench gun to be realistic at long range

[obtuse dragon]

it was 25m last time i checked

[past veldt]

It has never been 25m

Except below the knee

[covert elbow]

I mean it’s a lot more realistic then most games

[frank walrus]

yeah but at long range it's pretty bad

[obtuse dragon]

hold on, i forgot

the wiki is heavily outdated

check the wiki, it still says 25 🥀

[past veldt]

I mean, it has never been 25m 😄

It was 200m until U8, and then 50m afaik

[obtuse dragon]

then from where the hell did the guy that made the wiki get 25m

mf made up information and added it to a wiki 😭

[worn rose]

Queue simulator

[rancid pecan]

I like how mg42 has best recoil among all arms

[covert elbow]

HLL in a nutshell

There so much disinformation around this game

[novel geyser]

I mean, only if you bipod
Bren is actually crazy good for recoil it just has a lot of screen shake and that top loaded magazine is a bit in the way

[novel geyser]

People still cant decide if limb shots do less damage or not

[obtuse dragon]

"a bit in the way"

It's the equivalent of using the HHHH in tf2

[novel geyser]

Lol

You gotta just work around it

Funnily enough it kinda makes me wish you could zoom without adsing like in ro2

[solar carbon]

tried playing Commander. can see why people dont like it lol. I mean, it just depends on how your team communicates. and honestly it feels hopeless at times

[dull quail]

everytime this game crashes it resets all my loadouts cosmetics and setting

[novel geyser]

Thats a common issue

[covert elbow]

Been wanting that for a bit myself

[solar carbon]

Agaain people who dont use GameChat SUCK

#1343089641489961001 allsucks its all Oldheads using AI slop

[little vigil]

so is the game bugged with rank?

it treats me as if i'm level 1 for all classes

[feral vine]

Oh god its riddled in ai slop

[solar carbon]

oldheads who think its badass
and teenagers who think its badass
when its just cringe

[hollow cosmos]

Yo guys

Valentine is broken shots arent penning for like no reason

From up close- perpendicular- right on side

[little vigil]

many trying to play HLL again after a minute and within like 10 minutes

• game forgets my level and assumes I'm level 1
• litreally no one talking
• game somehow breaks and won't let me move my mouse to the bottom of the screen?

[covert elbow]

Yea it’s pretty gross

It’s so overly edgy most of the time it just looks cringy

[finite berry]

I wouldn't mind one AI-generated banner, but almost all of them are lmao

[little vigil]

legit i've played early-access games less buggy than this. This is crazy

Its like somehow gotten worse over the years?

[echo karma]

Didn't help they added non verbal commands

[little vigil]

i'm over here thinking 83 is rough but this is crazy

[gleaming pelican]

Why i can't upgrade my HLLV Pre-Order from Standard to Deluxe ?

[finite berry]

Why'd wanna do that lol

[neon swift]

does anyone know if theres any upcoming free weekends? i want to try the game

[finite berry]

Impossible to tell

No official news about that

[neon swift]

ah ok, thanks for letting me know

[finite berry]

What games are you playing? Shooters specifically

[neon swift]

only delta force and ow2 atm. im waiting for vietnam and wardogs

[little vigil]

I'd wait for Vietnam, check out Squad, maybe 83 if they do a sale soon

lowest price in USD is $12 which is maybe fine... I dunno

admittedly this is me coming back to the game after playing it for years but it feels rough in a way I don't recall

[neon swift]

damn, i guess waiting for the open beta next weekend is probably the best call?

[little vigil]

For Vietnam, yea?

I've got like 500+ hours in HLL from back in 2019 to now and playing it today tehre are a lot of little frustrations that add up

Like when I ADS it hangs for a second, when you go prone you slide a few feet which seems intended as a like... leap prone but looks and feels bad

[slate canopy]

To each their opinion. I enjoy current HLL. Also it goes on sale often.

[little vigil]

its possible I overplayed it but like... man

[neon swift]

sounds like some stuff added to prevent drop shotting and stuff

[little vigil]

likely, the game just feels clunky now though

whether it will to you or not i dunno but I feel like a new start might be better

[covert elbow]

But their also dog water lmao

Would love it if they actually added voice acting so when someone does the command their solider says something along with maybe a hand signal

[little vigil]

the game is super silent when people aren't tlaking. WHich is mor eoften than not if you aren't SL

[covert elbow]

Hence why voice acting kinda just needs to happen at this point

The game just feels so… dead

[little vigil]

one of the best things about RO2

[finite berry]

To intentivise people to talk even less?

[little vigil]

The way the game is designed you aren't going to get people talking so having VA to make the area feel more alive would be helpful

[cosmic pilot]

It'd just be noise

[little vigil]

Why don't you get rid of like 90% of the audio then?

[covert elbow]

So when people don’t talk the battlefield isn’t quiet as the grave

[little vigil]

Do we really need dirt sounds after an explosion? Its just noise and doesn't make the game more playable. Do we really need a bunch of foley for the guns its just audio?

[covert elbow]

Plus it would be awesome to actually hear Russian, German, American, and b*itish voices to immersive you

[little vigil]

RO2 is king, you shot some dude next door and get to hear him bleeding out

[covert elbow]

The whole “every voice is a player” schtic doesn’t work anymore because people don’t talk that much

[thin lotus]

If the devs have any shred of excuse not to do something, they’re going that route

[cosmic pilot]

Put them in their place, chum

[finite berry]

If the VA quality is up to the task, otherwise it ruins immersion. Enlisted is a good example of voice lines ruining immersion because they just sound cringe

[cosmic pilot]

Plus there's the association that canned vo is for bots

Like, what happens if you have canned vo coming out of my character model at the same time I'm trying to talk

If it's a player choice activated vo then the people not talking now will still not use the vo

So what's the point other than "I need constant noise"

[little vigil]

Audio isn't proxy in that way so it doesn't really matter

or at least its not good enough for it to matter a ton

also works fine in 83 although there isn't a ton of VA there yet

[cosmic pilot]

Does it really work in 83 if it was a flop

[thin lotus]

Imagine being a dev for 83

[covert elbow]

I mean that’s always a given?

[little vigil]

its a mechanic so yea

[cosmic pilot]

The degree to which it's true is exaggerated for va compared to other sfx

Your sfx for gun fire and footsteps are conveying gameplay relevant information.

How often is vo for silent players going to actually contribute to the gameplay

[little vigil]

VA is too

like saying "frag out" to inform your teamies that you've tossed a grenade (they will still run into it)

Mostly I don't think HLL is that super special tactical so adding some immersion via voice lines would be good

[cosmic pilot]

It depends on the game.
For RTS the vo acts as a confirmation for commanding an order.
If a random vo was to activate just because it's just noise

[little vigil]

Like I was playing a minute ago and our TL started talking and I justed muted him because he was freaking out for no reason

Like half the time the "tactical VOIP" is just basement dweebs being annoying

[cosmic pilot]

Would it?
What if I wanted to communicate frag out but the va overlapped with me trying to say it?
Observing players would hear it twice.
I would learn I don't need to say it anymore because the game will do it for me so I'll communicate less

So the game becomes just canned vo

[little vigil]

i mean dog, who is communicating a frag out?

[cosmic pilot]

So what problem did you solve

[cosmic pilot]

Me all the time

[little vigil]

lol hyrum

Okay, so you do but no one else does

[cosmic pilot]

So you want me to stop doing it too?

[little vigil]

Statistically we are nevr going to play together so yea

[cosmic pilot]

Instead of you know, letting me play the game and communicating my own information

[little vigil]

i'm hoping they can swing to a free weekend and get the game going. It has the bones of something that actually steps away from HLL/Squad while still being informed by them. But who knows

[covert elbow]

Speaking of SFX just needs a massive overhaul in the game

[cosmic pilot]

Not really, it's mostly fine

[little vigil]

I was hoping HLL:V would actually do something neat but that doesn't appear to be the case

so that leaves like war dogs which just seems suspect

[nova pivot]

Hello hell let loose server mess hall

[little vigil]

maybe Vietnam will surprise me but it seems way too tied to HLL

[nova pivot]

It's basically a hll reskin

[little vigil]

yea... This game has a lot of rough stuff from KS and it doesn't really seem to be engaging with those issues

[nova pivot]

They couldn't care less

[little vigil]

Like at this point HLL:V is surprisingly good (which I doubt), 83 manages a solid free weekend and bounces back, or like I get to play Rule the Waves and thats it

[nova pivot]

Do you like star wars? Outlaws is actually decent

[worldly moat]

@grim crow

https://giphy.com/gifs/alarm-gem-alert-bland-4w9m1SljeYSDiT8g8B

[worldly moat]

weird u mention starwars im playing bf2 rn

[nova pivot]

I'm going to act like if I didn't have placed cameras around your house

[worldly moat]

https://giphy.com/gifs/linziegifs-im-not-scared-at-all-squid-game-reaction-image-y8lJiEQEYBE7eDM1fY

[nova pivot]

[worldly moat]

wait ew u wouldve seen me in a towel then u creepo

[feral vine]

Ubislop gtfo

[nova pivot]

Erm...

[worldly moat]

https://giphy.com/gifs/angry-watching-annoyed-aNtt9T8SqGNK8

[nova pivot]

Fck

[nova pivot]

I mean it's not greatest game ever but can be fun

It does immerse you in Star wars

[worldly moat]

why can we use gifs but not stickers

[nova pivot]

I can use stickers

[feral vine]

Its a shite game

[worldly moat]

y

[nova pivot]

Nah

[feral vine]

Yeah, it's really mediocre

[worldly moat]

oh

[nova pivot]

Mediocre it's not sht

[worldly moat]

from this server yeah but i mean like from other servers

[covert elbow]

Nah it’s aged fairly poorly

[nova pivot]

I guess they don't want people to use emojis from other games

[feral vine]

Same thing for a game they tried to sell for $120

[nova pivot]

They banned de-ad game

[worldly moat]

but u can use gifs from other gamessss guh

[nova pivot]

I don't know I got it from ps plus

[feral vine]

It looked awful when it released lol

[covert elbow]

HLL?

[worldly moat]

https://giphy.com/gifs/reaction-emoji-gasp-O6N4iEsZdROivPPgsE

[nova pivot]

Please we are trying to have a conversation

[feral vine]

You should email Sony and tell them you want a refund for it

[nova pivot]

I didn't pay for it

I got it from the ps plus subscription

[worldly moat]

its a public chat 🤓

[feral vine]

Free is still too expensive for Outlaws

[nova pivot]

o yeah forgot this was messhall

I thought we were in offtopic

[worldly moat]

https://tenor.com/view/emo-gun-shooting-gun-shooting-kid-gif-1405619412372921898

[nova pivot]

I'm enjoying it tbf, do I have sht criteria? Probably. Am I happy? Yes . So do I care ? No

[feral vine]

Brother if you enjoy garbage, God speed

[worldly moat]

thats rude

[nova pivot]

Yes that's rude

[worldly moat]

upvote this msg

[nova pivot]

Why do you hate ubisoft that much? It's because they are french?

That's a valid reason

[past vortex]

i thought they are mexican

[worldly moat]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1379610052968841339/1392700449332924566/ezgif.com-animated-gif-maker_1.gif

[nova pivot]

No, I am mexican

[little vigil]

I'm mostly looking for a new tac shooter to play rather than any SP game

[worldly moat]

tarkov

[little vigil]

HLL and Squad both have significnat problems that drag tyhem down

[worldly moat]

arma is also good

[nova pivot]

No thanks, trying to stay alive in real life is difficult enough

[little vigil]

RS2 is like 10 years old at this point and 83 needs more time in the oven

[worldly moat]

chat what

[little vigil]

Reforger is fine but has similar issues as HLL/Squad

[worldly moat]

ye

[little vigil]

Where the amount of gameplay to walking around is scuffed

[nova pivot]

Sir erm

[worldly moat]

idk i like it

[nova pivot]

I don't think you are playing hell let loose correctly if you say that

[worldly moat]

i just hate having to use vc bc they always end up stripping me of my clothes and making me run into enemy lines bc im a girl

[timber sedge]

would anyone here like the opportunity to try the game Bellum for free

[little vigil]

its like guaranteed to happen every match

[nova pivot]

Deserved

[worldly moat]

IM A MEDIC THO

[nova pivot]

A reason to give you priority in my aiming list

[little vigil]

either waiting for a garrison to go down or OP

[past vortex]

that explains it

[feral vine]

Well you see, they make terrible games, are big fans of p2w and microtransactions, ai slop and overall are probably the most anti consumer friendly AAA publisher currently. Good thing they'll be bankrupt soon and no one wants to buy them

[worldly moat]

canadian sim

[nova pivot]

And they are french, don't forget that

[worldly moat]

french r awesome irl liek their pilots r some of the best in the world

[feral vine]

Global based company, being french is only a small part of the company

[worldly moat]

and their eurofighter is also the best in the world

[nova pivot]

Get out of here

[worldly moat]

they are lol

[nova pivot]

We are not praising France on my watch

[worldly moat]

i love france bruh wym

[nova pivot]

<@&365680483276816385>

[past vortex]

occitaine is nice

[worldly moat]

have u ever been to france

[nova pivot]

Yes

[feral vine]

France is pretty neat

[worldly moat]

where

[slate canopy]

😒

Why you ping me

[nova pivot]

Paris

[past vortex]

problems is you have to pass thru paris to get to the south (for me)

[nova pivot]

Ban that user

[feral vine]

Time to clock in

[past vortex]

floopa is racist again

[worldly moat]

it jst depends where u go in france like everywhere, paris is a tourist type thing atp

[nova pivot]

Reason of the ban not hating France

[slate canopy]

... no

[worldly moat]

non xenophic, get them out of here!

[feral vine]

French isn't a race

[nova pivot]

Don't get me wrong I had a great time there, I just happen to hate France for some reason

[worldly moat]

bc its a trend

[nova pivot]

Can't even consider them humans tbf

Nah I don't hate french people I hate france

[worldly moat]

xenophobia im pretty sure in technicality it comes under racism somehow

why, france is so fun

[slate canopy]

Let's move on

kthx

[worldly moat]

ur welcome

[feral vine]

Xenophobia has nothing to do with racism lol

[feral vine]

Who me?

[nova pivot]

Well it seems like I can't even hate France now 😒

[worldly moat]

ik but like thats what i was told soo i didnt say i agree

[slate canopy]

You're just gonna complain back and forth.

mov eon

[worldly moat]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1379610052968841339/1392700449332924566/ezgif.com-animated-gif-maker_1.gif

[nova pivot]

Why botsalwsna thought?

[slate canopy]

and this should be offtopic

not here

[worldly moat]

u got smth against them?

[slate canopy]

Please.

[feral vine]

Youre right. Lets talk about how bad T17 are at their jobs

[nova pivot]

Against Botswana nah

[slate canopy]

Don't even start.

Your'e annoying enough.

[past vortex]

shouldnt at all actually

[worldly moat]

guys i love t17 its like gaijin praise them love them

[nova pivot]

Pretty bad, except Ben, he is handsome

[feral vine]

Sir thats on topic and relevant. Have you even played hll

[feral vine]

Ben is ai

[past vortex]

i heard she has assaulter on lvl1

[slate canopy]

yup.

[nova pivot]

Handsome ai

[finite berry]

Imagine playing HLL

[worldly moat]

imagine not

[nova pivot]

Ger out elise

[finite berry]

:(

[nova pivot]

Kidding love u

[finite berry]

:)

[feral vine]

I can only imagine. Game crashes too much to actually play it

[nova pivot]

Average Xbox user

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/floppa-cute-gif-25858838

[worldly moat]

tbh ive noticed alot of laggy gameplay in hll recently so bleh

[nova pivot]

They should fix that, been like that for ages

[worldly moat]

https://tenor.com/view/silly-little-kitten-gif-8645756020089925364

[feral vine]

Recently, 😂

[worldly moat]

well apparently they fixed it

[worldly moat]

yeah i dont usually lag

[nova pivot]

He has been playing the game for like a month I would say

[feral vine]

Game runs at 12 fps on series x

[worldly moat]

one im so obviously a he and two ive played for like 2 year so bleh

[feral vine]

Hll caused by Xbox to explode and burned down my house, can I get a refund?

[worldly moat]

sacrifice

[nova pivot]

My bad I didn't bother looking at your pronouns

[worldly moat]

my name my pfp

[feral vine]

It's probably my fault for not clearing my cache every 10 seconds

[nova pivot]

That means nothing lol

[worldly moat]

https://giphy.com/gifs/DYC4Ako9o16854pPyO

[nova pivot]

Look at Elise, isn't that a woman name?

[worldly moat]

no

[past vortex]

yes

[nova pivot]

Elise is a woman name

[worldly moat]

eh it means god is my oath which can be masculine

[past vortex]

but for this elise its obviously reptile furry

so you cant tell from that

[nova pivot]

No, stop asking for fcknsake

[slate canopy]

Don't advertise other games here.

[nova pivot]

Has the convo just been killed?

[worldly moat]

yes

[nova pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/dam-damn-gif-27530020

[worldly moat]

https://giphy.com/gifs/ok-theo-von-sebmuzz-V4ewDLZp9KrNrM3jJY

[nova pivot]

Who wants to speak about camouflages?

[worldly moat]

what is there to talk abt it germans used it first widley end of story

[nova pivot]

Fav camo?

[worldly moat]

flecktern orrrrr emr ratnik wby this bumahh slow mode cant even be decreased?

[nova pivot]

Boring

[nova pivot]

No

[nova pivot]

Alpenflage

[worldly moat]

mid

[nova pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/phone-slap-gif-13864325207893474867

I also like the m76 amoeba rocoso pattern

It has similar shapes to the alpenflage

[worldly moat]

mmm i like the girrafe camo from south africa

[past vortex]

sounds french

[nova pivot]

I think I just like leibermunster

[worldly moat]

https://giphy.com/gifs/shut-up-dont-talk-V0mpTLFzJRrQWkpUcr

[nova pivot]

The french only have the old lizard and CE which is pretty mid

[worldly moat]

you will be silenced by the regime

real

[nova pivot]

Real what

Are you saying real to your own messages lol

[worldly moat]

yeah man

[nova pivot]

Lol

[worldly moat]

fav jacket ermmmm probs the belgium m86

[nova pivot]

You are googling that aren't you?

[worldly moat]

no i have one

[nova pivot]

Now you gotta Show me

[worldly moat]

okiii

add me also i cant take a live photo bc its in my mamas car and shes at work but i got a pic on my phone i think

[nova pivot]

Take that out of the car you don't want the colours to fade

[worldly moat]

its in prestine condition in a sleave lol its fine

[worldly moat]

i also have a few pther jackets and hemets i have the british mk3 helmet? idk im not to sure abt british modern helmets and i also have an australian airforce cadet hat and uniform SD and GPU since i went there once with my cadets sqn ill show u those if u want but at my grandoarents and fathers house i got like a ton of stuff i can show u ive also looked at ur insta acc and cool collection

[nova pivot]

It isn't completely there I stoped posting because I'm lazy as fck lol

[wintry thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/red-army-ww2-idi-i-smotri-come-and-see-ven-y-mira-gif-6524760163788292390

[cosmic pilot]

did you finally ban elise?

[lucid tusk]

I mean if youve never played the game why be here?

[wintry thistle]

pea dot

[nova pivot]

Solid

[covert elbow]

@finite berry

No he's still here

[thin scarab]

So still No News on a Console Beta…

Why saying more News at the end of the Week for then Not saying anything….

The Communication of this Studio is the worst I ever Seen.. you guys really Need to Take a Crash curse in Communication…

3 weeks upon a new Game release and no Console footage at all..

How do you Expect Players to pre Order and Spend Money on the Game without giving them some footage?
Just Shows T17 didnt learn a thing after all those years…

[slow tapir]

They said their will be upcoming news on it soon

[covert elbow]

*upcoming news this week

[finite berry]

It is a woman name.

[finite berry]

:)

[pine ember]

And a beautiful one too

[rancid pecan]

I just saw all my squad get turned into meatballs by enemy arty, their body parts lying everywhere, im gonna throw up 🤢

[worldly moat]

Me when I asked

[finite berry]

I agree; old, but beautiful

[finite berry]

Me when I don't care and elaborate anyway

[frank walrus]

Panther on fire
spawns as engineer
stands in front of the panther in the middle of the road and kept jumping to signal them to stop so i can repair them
tank just runs me over
50 metres down the road they drive over a land mine and get destroyed
lose the point
try to switch back to assault
someone else took it
leaves server and stares at the screen for 5 minutes wondering how we got here

[feral vine]

Probably should have just used your mic

[frank walrus]

i mean they probably wouldnt have heard me anyway the tank is loud

but do i really need it? a dude with an engineer icon on his head jumping on the road while our tank on fire what could he possibly want

[feral vine]

Yes you need it

[pine ember]

Old names are the best

Ngl I would name my daughter like that

[keen cave]

Ofc you need it tankers otherwise think you are a blueberry

[frank walrus]

i played tanks a lot and i've never heard anyone shout next to my tank i can only see the icon of someone voice chatting, well anyways time for some medic gameplay

[finite berry]

Same, unironically 😄

[keen cave]

🫐🤣

[frank walrus]

im level 86

[worldly moat]

Noob

[worldly moat]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1379610052968841339/1392700449332924566/ezgif.com-animated-gif-maker_1.gif

[frank walrus]

when are we going to collectively as a community stop pretending to enjoy playing on Smolensk map

[worthy charm]

Smolensk is fine

Though its not as good as Tobruk

[analog apex]

Hmmm... I had been gone for the weekend and returned now, knowing I still would have time until the expBranch playTest goes offline. But actually all the expBranch servers are empty... officials as well as community ones.

[peak knot]

Don’t worry the update will go live this week regardless

[analog apex]

yeah sadly.

[versed snow]

how much probability i have to get selected for the beta of hell let loose vietnam??

[analog apex]

I have been running in the empty Juno beach map now, to see at least if the hedgerow holes in the bushes were fixed.

Result? The devs didn't seem to touch them at all and the visual holes in the bushes still have invisible walls (or rather cubes) in them, just as before.
🤮

...despite it was reported and complained about by many during the last Juno playtest

[faint portal]

https://tenor.com/view/akakichi-no-eleven-bro-bad-news-i've-got-bad-news-for-you-hand-on-shoulder-gif-4737126791591033318

[analog apex]

It's not about being selected anymore. The closest (and likely last) Vietnam playtest is being an open beta, available to everyone (on Steam only though).

[versed snow]

ok, thanks

[nova pivot]

There is no beta for PS5 by the way

[rich turtle]

guys i average like 5 kills a match and like 27 deaths

[finite berry]

Normal as a beginner

[rich turtle]

how long u gotta play till ur out of beginner stage

[finite berry]

🤷‍♂️ depends on the individual skill and learning curve

[rich turtle]

how long for u

[finite berry]

I don't play HLL

But I played a (rather) similar game that has an even steeper learning curve and there my newbie phase lasted a couple dozen hours

[finite berry]

It also depends on whether you're talking about "I finally have a positive K/D" or "I understand the game properly and can also lead squads"

[main marlin]

so i’m a relatively new player. while i got out of the beginner stage in both my main skill ended up being in tank, for beginner stage in infantry the more you start thinking in 3rd person and act like you don’t have a 2nd life the faster it gets

i would say the guns are easy even the smgs and stuff except machine guns because the time to kill and damage in this game is very short which is realistic also

just don’t go from this game hop on battlefield or valorant or something then try to get back on your neurons will be fried trust me

[steel badger]

Never played HLL. Hoping I like the 50-player format. I'm so used to having zero teamwork in game lobbies. I'm expecting a 50-player team to be a cluster-fock.

[feral vine]

4 years

[steel badger]

Where I'm from, basic training is 8 weeks.🫡

[feral vine]

8 weeks isnt enough time to endure the abuse of hll crashes

[pine ember]

T17 map = shi*

BM maps are better

[frank walrus]

did they actually nerf bazookas so bad you cant even one shot a scout tank now

holy hell, no wonder everyone is running satchels lmao

[worthy charm]

Reminder that BM definitly still worked on el alamein

[pine ember]

Never said El Al was good

But I liked BMs maps overall better

[worthy charm]

Remagen

Like what are we doin

[pine ember]

Mortain what are we doin

Elsenborn

[worthy charm]

Mortain is so much better than remagen

[cyan saddle]

Mortain is pretty bad but Elsenborn is alright

[pine ember]

Tobruk (actually fine but not as good as other maps)

New Stalingrad just ruined the map

[cyan saddle]

New Stalingrad hardly changed anything about the map

[worthy charm]

Its not good yeah, but remagen levels?
Its not that bad

[pine ember]

Smolensk is just a mess

If you compare similar maps made by T17 and BM BMs maps win by a mile

[worthy charm]

Thats just wrong

BM just like T17 made terrible maps

Im not sure what youre on, but its not healthy

[cyan saddle]

T17's first few maps didn't have the same level of detail

[pine ember]

And my reasoning why I dislike Smolensk:

• Its setting makes no sense, and is just lazyness
• It looks too clean
• It stutters more than the older maps
• Its layout isnt really something new
• Its a campfest and perfect for COD kids

[pine ember]

If both dev teams made the same map the one BM made would be better for sure

[cyan saddle]

Mortain was bad, but honestly it's just a green Hill 400.

[cyan saddle]

@worthy charm am I crazy for not understanding basically any of this?

[pine ember]

I just dont like the setting personally, it should have been a 1941 map, not 1943. And it just lacks the feeling older maps had which is typical for HLL

Just my personal opinion

[cyan saddle]

People used to say the same about Hill 400, Carentan, Stalingrad, Kursk, Remagen, El Alamein...

Tobruk too clean I can understand, but Smolensk really doesn't stand out to me in that regard. It stuttering more than all other maps I'm honestly inclined to call confirmation bias. Its layout is pretty linear perhaps but it is very much distinct. And for camping, there's much better maps.

[pine ember]

That’s a false equivalence. The maps you listed had meta or balancing issues, but Smolensk breaks the core technical and tactical gameplay loop of HLL in a way those older maps never did:
It’s a technical disaster, not just 'hard to play': Hill 400 or Kursk never suffered from invisible walls blocking bullets in wide-open window frames. Smolensk has massive rendering and latency issues, extreme frame drops even on high-end PCs/consoles, and broken collision geometry that makes gunplay frustrating.
Verticality destroys the Garrison-Meta: In Carentan or Stalingrad, you look down streets and alleys. Smolensk introduces massive 3-story buildings and overpasses. You aren't scanning the horizon anymore; you are forced to check 4 floors of windows constantly. This punishes tactical squad movement, completely halts the flow of the game, and rewards pure static camping.
Zero Asset Authenticity: Maps like Stalingrad (the old one, the new one looks like a bad WW2 drama scene) look grit-packed and battle-worn. Smolensk feels like a sterilized, clean asset flip from a 2010s mainstream shooter. It lacks the gritty World War II atmosphere that defines Hell Let Loose.
Catering to the casual Twitch-FPS crowd: The design choices (extreme close-quarter verticality, lack of open-flank logic, and the layout chaos) shift the game away from communication-heavy tactical play and open the door wide for CoD-style 'run-and-gun' solo players.
Comparing structural design flaws and technical instability to people just 'learning a map layout' is moving the goalposts.
Sorry but I just do not like the map and I am conviced BM would have made a better one. Smolensk is just the prime example of whats wrong with the game

[frank walrus]

What's with machine gunners and just deploying their gun 50 metres away from a garrison and just farming kills instead of destroying the garrison and doing something beneficial like maybe suppressing the enemy while their squad pushes

[cyan saddle]

I'm sorry man but you've lost me on the first sentence. The maps I listed were scrutinized because they looked and/or played different, which some people considered to be "not Hell Let Loose". Similar complaints have been raised in the past about Foy, Carentan, Hill 400, Hurtgen, Stalingrad, Tobruk, Driel, practically every map. When the map is too open it caters to campers. When the map is too dark it caters to campers. When the map has too many buildings it caters to campers. When the map doesn't look like SME it caters to campers.

[pine ember]

You’re moving the goalposts. There’s a massive difference between a map being tactically challenging and a map being objectively broken. Hill 400 or Foy challenged the meta through terrain, but the game still worked. Smolensk has broken asset collisions (invisible walls blocking bullets), terrible optimization that tanks frames mid-fight, and uncheckable verticality that rewards passive camping over tactical squad play. Reducing actual technical flaws and bad design to 'just another community complaint' completely misses why the core player base is frustrated. As I said: Smolensk is the prime example of whats wrong with the game

[cyan saddle]

Broken collisions aren't game breaking, nor has it anything to do with map design. The "terrible optimization" classification only applies to consoles and has nothing to do with map design (plus, Smolensk isn't the only map consoles are struggling with).

Smolensk challenged the meta through verticality. Hill 400 is too dense and too dark and Foy is too wide open, which rewards passive camping over tactical squad play. See how that argument makes no sense?

The verticality and enterable building density isn't even nearly as bad as you make it out to be which is the crazy part.

[pine ember]

Even if we ignore the bugs, the actual layout of Smolensk fundamentally ruins the core gameplay loop. Unlike Black Matter’s organic, historical maps, Smolensk feels like an artificial arena that forces players into linear choke points and predictable meatgrinders, completely killing any opportunity for wide tactical flanking. Furthermore, the excessive, uncheckable multi-level verticality completely stalls squad pushes, turning a communication-heavy tactical shooter into a casual simulator where you just check 50 window pixels. Combined with a sterile, clean atmosphere that lacks the iconic WW2 grit of the original game, you simply cannot blame console optimization for a map design that inherently punishes teamwork and rewards mindless camping

[pine ember]

That’s a false equivalence. On Foy or Hill 400, squads can counter open fields or density using tactical tools like smoke screens, suppression, and wide flanks. Smolensk’s chaotic verticality breaks the game because those tools become useless. You can smoke an open field, but you can't smoke out a multi-story grid of 50 individual windows. Comparing organic terrain challenges to a poorly designed arena layout that completely shuts down core squad mechanics makes no sense

At the end of the day, Smolensk is trash because it abandons the identity of Hell Let Loose. BM designed tactical maps based on real World War II battlefields where positioning and coordination mattered. T17 designed Smolensk as a generic, unoptimized video game arena tailored for casual, arcade-style gameplay. When a map replaces strategic teamplay with a brainless meatgrinder and forced, uncheckable camping, it’s not 'challenging the meta'—it’s just fundamentally terrible map design

@fervent dagger Too scared to say something real or just no arguments? Or just a casual HLL Fanboy?

Imagine contributing nothing to a discussion except emojis and then crying about 'subjectivity' when faced with actual design arguments. Pointing out that broken bullet collisions, linear choke points, and a failure to support core gameplay mechanics like flanking are signs of poor design isn't just an opinion—it's how game development works. If your only counter-argument is 'that's just your opinion, bro,' you’ve already lost the debate

[pine ember]

Classic strawman. I never said El Alamein or Remagen were good—I said Smolensk is garbage. Pointing at other bad map designs doesn't magically make Smolensk's terrible layout any better. Thanks for playing

There is a clear line between subjective taste and objective level design principles boy, you should know that. Liking the visual theme or the chaos of a map is subjective—anyone is free to enjoy that. But analyzing how sightline density, verticality without structural logic, and linear choke points restrict tactical squad movement is standard, objective design critique. When a layout actively breaks the core mechanical loop that the entire game was built upon, it’s a design failure, regardless of how many casual players enjoy the meatgrinder. We can agree to disagree, but masking structural flaws as 'just an opinion' is exactly why the core community feels unheard

[cyan saddle]

en-dash spotted!

[pine ember]

Its called holding down the hyphen key on a smartphone keyboard. Sorry that basic punctuation looks like advanced AI to you, but counting dashes won't fix your map design. Go patch the collision bugs instead

[smoky urchin]

Stragegic teamplay? that is what the team makes it, the player makes it. It's down to you as a player and your own unit to hold a place to strategically control a part of a map, there's a lot of places you can dip in and out of, not all maps should play the same, Kursk Day is a trench map, you have to play differently from that as you would say Du mont. You have Mortain, heavy concealment, with hard cover, Hill 400 plays differently due to heavy woodland, Armour is limited to how it can operate, changing infantry dynamic.

Whether it's a map based on real life or made up, no battlefield even in real life is approached or handled in the same way and it's how you approach it as a person, human that creates the strategy.

[pine ember]

That sounds deep, but it completely ignores how video game mechanics work. Real battlefields are limitless, but a game is a coded framework. On a map like Kursk, the organic terrain works with the game's mechanics. Smolensk forces you into hard-coded bottlenecks with broken collisions and uncheckable verticality. In real life, a squad can blow a hole in a wall or flank for miles; in an arena, you are trapped by map borders and invisible walls. There is a massive difference between adaptive sandbox design and a restrictive layout that actively shuts down the game's core tactical tools

[chrome furnace]

All the maps in hll has lanes and bottlenecks. There is nothing new on that matter.

[pine ember]

There’s a massive difference between natural layout chokepoints and Smolensk's artificial asset-choking. Older maps have lanes, but they still offer horizontal freedom to flank around them. Smolensk is just an artificial corridor shooter that forces you into hard walls and uncheckable vertical angles. It’s lazy arena design, not tactical lane layout

[chrome furnace]

Pushing on Hill 400 does the same when you push through the forest. You are not able to check all trees so it becomes a guessing game as to where the enemies are pushing from. Same as Smolensk but just vertical

[smoky urchin]

So old and somewhat new Ramagen then, 90% town missing on south side, big chunk of town missing north side, forced into a choke point that didn't happen, At least Smolensk has flanking potential.

[pine ember]

False equivalence. On Hill 400, you can use smoke and machine gun suppression to blind a forest section and push. On Smolensk, you cannot smoke or suppress 50 individual window pixels at different heights. Organic cover allows for tactical counterplay; artificial verticality just destroys it

[pine ember]

I never said Remagen was good. Remagen is a deliberate, historical bridge bottleneck. Smolensk pretends to be an urban sandbox but kills its own flanking potential through artificial walls and unpassable debris. Forcing players into rigid street lanes under a multi-story grid of 50 uncheckable windows isn't 'flanking potential'—it's just a poorly designed corridor shooter

[smoky urchin]

It's not historical though, it's far from it in HLL.

[chrome furnace]

False logic. Suppression still works if people hides in a window. There is enough corridors on Smolensk to flank

Seams like a skill issue to me honestly

[pine ember]

Thats exactly my point

Calling it a 'skill issue' when you can’t counter an uncheckable multi-story grid is just lazy gaslighting. Suppression doesn't work when broken asset collisions absorb the bullets, and pushing down narrow, debris-blocked alleys isn't 'flanking'—it’s just a glorified corridor shooter. Also, a handful of people in a Discord circle-jerk disagreeing with me doesn't 'disprove' anything. The wider HLL community and veteran player base have been heavily criticizing T17s unoptimized, casual arena designs for a reason. If your only defense left is shouting 'skill issue' and counting upvotes from your buddies, you've completely lost the debate. Enjoy your sterile corridor simulator

[smoky urchin]

What's your point, I'm talking about Ramagen, the map isn't historical and it never had two equal foes trying to get from both sides, it had one trying to retreat and destroy the other trying to secure and cross it. Battle was mainly Arty smashing each other, and a lot of fighting in the town on the south side, which doesn't exist beyond 4 houses and 2 factories.... It's artificially made to push you down a choke point, that you can't utilise what HLL is about, strategy it's just smash face into each other. That was Old Ramagen.

[pine ember]

Wonder why many players of the core community left...

[cosmic pilot]

Hello

[pine ember]

You are still arguing about Remagen when the topic is Smolensk. Thanks for writing another paragraph explaining exactly why artificial, face-smashing chokepoints make for terrible map design. You literally just proved my point against Smolensk while trying to argue against a map I never even defended. I'm done here, enjoy the echo chamber

[fervent dagger]

At last, a worthy opponent

[cosmic pilot]

Is historically accurate maps really hll's identity or is it just a gimmick

[silk igloo]

house to house fighting on smolensk would be much better if the enemy couldnt teleport behind you. it just takes too much time to clear things one by one

by the time you've advanced one block, the enemy you just defeated pops up somewhere behind. (applies to all urban maps, really)

[smoky urchin]

I mean you're still arguing about Smolensk and blaming it on T17 making a terrible map, when the map can be played in multitude of ways with multiple approaches, strategy is made by the player, that is the choice of the team, I don't see what your point is, if you were talking about Ramagen I'd agree but your point isn't very well supported here.

[pine ember]

Imagine writing all that just to repeat 'it's up to the player' for the third time because you can't counter actual layout and collision analysis. Blaming the players for a restrictive, unoptimized arena layout is the ultimate developer cope. Keep running into those invisible walls and pretending it’s 'strategy.' I’m out bye

Lets make one final thing perfectly clear: Blaming T17 is 100% deserved. BM built this game as a tactical, authentic hardcore shooter with casual elements based on communication and strategic freedom. T17 bought it and turned it into an unoptimized, sterile arcade arena drop with broken asset collisions, uncheckable camping verticality, and linear chokepoints that kill the core flanking meta. When a publisher destroys the unique identity of a game just to cater to the casual crowd, and their defenders mask terrible map optimization as 'subjective opinion' or 'skill issue,' the core community has every right to call it out. Enjoy your broken corridor simulator

[chrome furnace]

I would call myself a veteran player by now in HLL and I kan acknowledge Smolensk has some problems. Map design is not one of them IMO. For me it’s more the stuttering. Stalingrad has more broken assets, Mortain so many Bushes to camp in and Elsenborn just straight up boring map design. But you arguing because they made a map with more angels is breaking the spirit of how the game should be played is just stupid imo.
But brother you do you

[wise tide]

Id like to play a game. The game is called: which HLL map is actually optimized

Answers below 5 only please

[pine ember]

Calling yourself a veteran while claiming that stuttering and broken collisions aren't part of map design is hilarious. There is a huge difference between organic cover made by BM and an artificial grid of 50 uncheckable window pixels made by T17 that completely stalls tactical squad movement but caters to the casuals. Comparing that to trenches or bushes just proves you don't understand the game's core loop. Keep calling design critique 'stupid' while shooting at invisible walls. Enjoy the echo chamber

[wise tide]

People who say the maps are optimized and playable are probably addicted to narcotics. Behind a McDonald's dumpster.

[wintry thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/come-and-see-applause-clap-clapping-gif-24417825

[frail sonnet]

or have a high-end pc

[pine ember]

Even there you have issues with Smolensk

[frail sonnet]

in my probably ~4 games on this map never had any problems

wouldnt say that i liked it tbh

[wintry thistle]

This game isn’t optimized well
So some pcs probably just work for whatever reason

[pine ember]

Me and my friends had, but now we just quit

But tbf I dont even play this game much anymore, it just got so much worse over the past 3 years

[chrome furnace]

Well I don’t think t17 intended there to be stuttering or collisions. Stalingrad was a mess to play for the first year or so until the rework and stil is a bit but it wasn’t intended to be so. I don’t think the extra floors in the buildings is gamebreaking you just have to approachs it different.

[chrome furnace]

This is hilarious though

[frail sonnet]

for me its one of my favorite games, it is quite lovely

[pine ember]

Stalingrad had optimization issues, but its tactical layout was open, organic, and brilliant. Smolensk's core problem isn't just the performance; its the fundamentally broken, artificial layout. Intentions don't matter—the end product does. Adding an uncheckable grid of 3-story windows into forced, narrow chokepoints destroys the sandbox flanking meta. You can't just 'approach it differently' when the game mechanics themselves are restricted by poor design. Stalingrad never broke the tactical spirit of HLL (until T17 "refreshed" it); Smolensk did.

[pine ember]

Why? Why should I continue playing a game that lost its soul?

[wintry thistle]

Sometimes I wish I played this game so I could argue in here

[cosmic pilot]

What's broken about the layout

[cosmic pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/go-back-shadow-gandalf-lord-of-the-rings-leave-gif-20535150

[chrome furnace]

Why yap in a discord about a map in a game you argue has lost is soul

This must be bait

[frail sonnet]

the only thing i hate is that most servers have utah/omaha/carentan/st mere loop, not enough variety

[pine ember]

I would say I have every right to do so

[cosmic pilot]

Like are we complaining about the middle of the map or what

[chrome furnace]

Windows

[cosmic pilot]

Because the offender got worst middle map section is arguably elsenbonre

[cosmic pilot]

This is legitimate

[chrome furnace]

We have upgraded form bushes to windows

[pine ember]

Forced bottlenecks, flanking is often not possible, uncheckable verticality and a terrible asset collision

[cosmic pilot]

Flanking is possible, wut

Unless you're talking about that one bottom middle strong point.

[pine ember]

Walking into a parallel alleyway isn't 'flanking'—that's just picking a different linear choke point. True HLL flanking means moving wide across an open tactical sandbox to place hidden garris and shift the entire front line. Smolensk locks you into rigid concrete corridors where the enemy always knows exactly where you are coming from. It’s a corridor shooter layout, not a tactical sandbox

[chrome furnace]

@past veldt unleash the bait

[cosmic pilot]

Smolensk has better verticality than normandy maps by virtue of being designed to be vertical instead of basically having exploits

[cosmic pilot]

Your brain on hedgerow maps

Just admit it, your brain is conditioned to think you can only flank on hedgerow maps

[pine ember]

At least hedgerow maps required a brain to navigate, smoke, and flank. Smolensk just requires sitting in a dark bedroom window waiting for pixels to move

[cosmic pilot]

Hedgerows do the same corridor bottlenecking you're complaining about

[worthy charm]

Mortain is a hedgerow map

:}

[pine ember]

That design choice belongs in a casual shooter, not HLL... But since HLL is a casual shooter now it kinda narrows it down now

[cosmic pilot]

It's the same, except there's 200m^2 of open terrain between parallel alleys

[chrome furnace]

https://tenor.com/view/doctor-who-doctor-who-the-interstellar-song-contest-the-interstellar-song-contest-ncuti-gatwa-15th-doctor-gif-18353590251090671795

[cosmic pilot]

Yes, but they cut regular intervals of gap into it which is ahh

[worthy charm]

Short hill hedgerow bush map

[past veldt]

I'm not arguing with a nazi RPer

[chrome furnace]

The master baiter strikes again

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-thiago-mad-angry-fist-emoji-gif-17761307

[pine ember]

The 10. Panzerdivision is an active, modern division of the German Bundeswehr today. Calling real military service 'Nazi RP' just because your buddies lost a video game debate is an embarrassing level of ignorance. You guys ran out of map arguments, ran out of stat-checks, and now your backup is failing basic modern history. Enjoy your echo chamber, I'm out

[past veldt]

I was talking about @worthy charm but if you felt like it was a reflection of yourself...

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/gun-gif-emoji-shoot-gun-shoot-gif-10049962077030692855

[past veldt]

"DON'T SHOOT, I HAVE BLUE EYES"

[worthy charm]

https://klipy.com/gifs/yapping-yapping-level-today

[rancid pecan]

Yo i see u guys arguing with some german fellas here lmao

[worthy charm]

Show me the papers

-# Im kidding

[pine ember]

Pinging someone to 'unleash the bait' because you lost a map design debate is the ultimate sign of defeat. When you run out of actual arguments against a veteran player, you have to resort to bringing in trolls and backpedaling with 'it was just a prank bro.' You guys collectively embarrassed yourselves today. Have fun in your little circle-jerk my boy

[past veldt]

Have i argued with you today?

[chrome furnace]

Ask him about Smolensk

[rancid pecan]

They should add Berlin map

[frail sonnet]

they should add 1 more smolensk, best map there is

[wise tide]

Remagen is trash
Smolensk crashes on console
Stalingrad crashes on console
Night maps crash on console
Elsenborn is for people who have big backs and personal nurses
Hill ___ is a waste of space

Sup? Any of you bad breaf having nerds got a problem? Smegma addicts.

[finite berry]

Törken

[past veldt]

Smolensk is great. Nice southern meatgrinder. Middle section is a slow crawl of trading shots, north is a wider open zone requiring some extra depth of assault. All wrapped up with longer flank options and also some ability to sneak through the frontline if the enemy isn't paying attention

[worthy charm]

You can argue with him about if you have argued with him or not.

[past veldt]

It's a nice map design incorporating all that is good in HLL, as it allows a lot of discretion and player agency

[wise tide]

I think hiring some of you for map design would somehow be worse than t17 continue to churn out nightmares

[wintry thistle]

I’d do good map design

[past veldt]

Well yeah, I work in insurance. Why would you hire me

[wise tide]

At least the nightmares would be playable for five minutes before I wake up

[worthy charm]

Privathaftpflichtversicherung

[frail sonnet]

Hill 400 is quite good when youre in a mood for it

[worthy charm]

Auslandskrankenversicherung

Berufsunfähigkeitsversicherung

Ok, this should keep him away for a few hours

[past veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-burns-scared-hiding-ah-the-simpsons-gif-16075070

[wise tide]

A dying defeated language 🙁

[worthy charm]

For how bad german is its reasonable to die

[wintry thistle]

German is one of the major languages

[wise tide]

Can someone translate this to German: Hello. Yes. Id like a bottle wine and your finest tomahawk steak, please.

[cosmic pilot]

Me too

[wise tide]

Fall of Berlin. I expect a rough draft in two months.

[obtuse dragon]

tbh remagen isn't that bad when it runs well and gives some good room to flank points that aren't like 100 meters away like the other maps and elsenborn is quite a good map, tbh i only have a probem with the middle points and how it seems to be designed for mg's mosly, which is why foy is better

[wise tide]

I suppose that was my point, it rarely runs well for me lol

[oak current]

oi

[worthy charm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/462409534401413144/1431200877628100730/BasketBergCascade.gif

[oak current]

smooth talker

[pine ember]

Hire me Im a lawyer

[covert elbow]

When am I getting my special cosmetic

[pine ember]

29th Infantry Division M1941 Jacket?

[covert elbow]

Yes

I want my patch

[pine ember]

Understandable

[wise tide]

Aren't they charging for a helmet skin

[pine ember]

Add that and uniforms of the 10. Panzerdivision, but make it free

[wise tide]

Ill be GODDAMNED lol

[pine ember]

They are charging for everything

[wise tide]

:/ of course. Gotta milk the last bean on the plate

[worthy charm]

https://klipy.com/gifs/laughing-hard-lol-1

[covert elbow]

And I want it only for me. No one else will get it

[covert elbow]

Milk a bean?

[pine ember]

T17 will milk the plate too

[wise tide]

"Hey troopers, we have a brand new map pack coming with the next update! 20 dollars!"

Its coming.....i feel it

[wintry thistle]

Number 1 rule of map design

[pine ember]

It will come

[wise tide]

I cant breathe. Some dude in the dev question thread, for Vietnam, asked if there's going to be NPC civilians on maps, and if harming them would cause punishment

I literally havent laughed this hard in months

By the same token, HLL should have definitely jumped on the immersion train and include babushkas on Kursk dodging arty fire, or French farmers hauling across the open fields of Normandy only to get flattened by a panzer or the commander who cant drive a supply truck

[chrome furnace]

We will see a new hll with a new engine when the interest for hllv is dwindling in a few years

[cosmic pilot]

Only make good maps

[arctic rampart]

So, what's tonights topic?

[wise tide]

You really think the interest would dwindle for a new title in a few years?

[worthy charm]

Why am I now in the playtest

Its unfair

[chrome furnace]

I don’t think it will have the same draw effect as hll

[cosmic pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/drafted-gif-24037468

[arctic rampart]

Which playtest?

[pine ember]

Welcome to HLL

[wintry thistle]

No it’s make the map believable

[worthy charm]

There is only one im not in but you are

[arctic rampart]

Then did you maybe misspelled "not" and wrote "now"?

Cause I thought you were in now... I went and even checked xd

[worthy charm]

Im not

https://klipy.com/gifs/rabbit-cry

[arctic rampart]

It's pretty decent, but hard to test anything in a real MP match. They host it only on Thursdays and have 1 server up with the 100 slots, but somewhere around 170 people that want to get in

The total tester pool is like 300-350 iirc

[cosmic pilot]

I believe I seen everything when I see an elephant fly

[spare lava]

Whens update

[slate canopy]

For what?

[arctic rampart]

WARDOGS

[slate canopy]

Ah yeah. I played it 👍

Tuesdays and Thursdays.

I may miss the next one, should be there Thursday.

Super fun.

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-thiago-mad-angry-fist-emoji-gif-17761307

EVERYONE IS INVITED

but not me

[arctic rampart]

You sitting in their dc signed up with an alt?

[slate canopy]

Nope, I am there as is.

Even streamed for the devs 🤫

[worthy charm]

They even invited gumpy polarbearr

but not me

[arctic rampart]

Yeah they were all chilling in vc last testing time

[worthy charm]

Im devastated

[arctic rampart]

But how come I can't even tag you in the tester chat?

Oh nvm, you a mod

ofc you are. Feels like everyone whos anyone from this discord just so happens to be a mod over there as well

[worthy charm]

Now break the server rules over there

[slate canopy]

Lol

[arctic rampart]

Oh nvm. You're NA, that explains it. They have it separate

[worthy charm]

NA?

[arctic rampart]

North America

[slate canopy]

Yeah. NA started last week.

[worthy charm]

Dont tell me she is even a class above

ah ok

[slate canopy]

EU had been going a while.

[arctic rampart]

There's so many furries and femboys and shi' like that over there it's insane

Every other person's some kind of weirdo and can't go 5 seconds w/o linking some anime or otherwise garbage

Zesty UK mfers

[slate canopy]

It is lol it's tough sometimes

[arctic rampart]

In other news... seems decently promising. Although I'm questioning as to why they're giving a weeks old build to test if I can't even re-bind my flight controls?

[past vortex]

us people can also be annoying

[arctic rampart]

Oh they are. Even more so I'd say. You just see them a bit less.
Morning and day time they're already gone to bed.
And if I see them in the night that means I'm staying up way too late

[past vortex]

yea ik... its 3am and you have to play us east :}

[arctic rampart]

Also a modern tank didn't even have a scope added yet

[past vortex]

happens to me sometimes

[arctic rampart]

I'm GMT+3, so I start seeing Americans around like 23:00.

[worthy charm]

Tell me

Are the tanks solo or as a squad usable

This alone decides if I only sniper the whole time or tank at times as well

[arctic rampart]

You can use it solo, but it's meant to be squad operated.
iirc there were 3 seats from what I saw.
3rd is essentially pointless though.
When they implement it properly and assuming they aren't bonked on the head...
You should be able to just drive on a mountain top, laser range find the range and blast away solo.
The only downside is needing to bring your own supplies with you, as well as running out of ammo

I told the guys using it to try something like that, but the gunner's view was essentially 1x w/o any zoom options, so they were kind of scuffed.
It felt like the tank was also super cheap and too easy to destroy, but both of those things are obv. testing values.

[worthy charm]

3rd is essentially pointless though.

Like in HLL

[arctic rampart]

You damn well know a 3rd in a medium/heavy is quite well appreciated.

In wardogs it's legit just a turret gunner w/o any cover. You can crouch into the turret, but it's pointless. You're just a guaranteed death waiting to happen

When the game actually comes out, unless you can snipe from range, I can't see this vehicle being viable at all tbf.
You'll just get super quickly destroyed since rpg's and the likes are going to be super cheap and everyone will be carrying one.

The money also seemed way too easy to get, but those are still testing values. I am scared though that there will never be a fair balance for it though

[cosmic pilot]

What's war dogs

Is it a team extraction shooter or what

[arctic rampart]

You've played Arma?

[cosmic pilot]

The tutorial

[arctic rampart]

Well, it's essentially KOTH from Arma

[cosmic pilot]

Which honestly turned me off from 3 and reforger

[worthy charm]

Luckily not

[arctic rampart]

3 teams, 1 zone. Most people in the zone = team gets points. First team to X points = chicken dinner

Every vehicle except jets. Stuff 'em in there and boom, you got wardogs

[worthy charm]

Another extraction shooter would be horrendous in this economy

[arctic rampart]

We need more hero shooters