mess-hall

[celest magnet]

Official arma and squad is still thriving buddy

[cosmic pilot]

Go ahead, chime in

[wintry thistle]

On a strategic scale the Soviets used “wave” tactics which is why in every military operation they take much higher casualties against a numerically weaker foe

[novel geyser]

Yes but I doubt it would the charging head first into enemy defenses without much of a plan style of wave tactics

[fresh cove]

Does anybody know any good videos about how to win on the Libya map because I end up getting snipped all the time.

[cosmic pilot]

Calling it wave tactics is misleading.
At least by cold war, the maneuver groups were called echelons.
The first echelon found and fixed the enemy.
The second echelon would flank and destroy.
And the 3rd echelon would bypass.

[novel geyser]

Just try and avoid the more open areas, use smokes if you need to
Stick with the team
Not much different to any other map really apart from the sight lines

[novel geyser]

I'm saying deep battle tactics were not wave tactics
The original discussion was a defense mode for Vietnam where us fend off against waves of nva
Which implies to me the strategy of brainless charges relying entirely on overwhelming manpower in a single location over actual strategy

[little vigil]

this is like post-war German general "they just came in waves" type coping

[little vigil]

No, the Soviets just took more losses because they had incompetent intermediate leadership and strategic leadership that didn't care about losses

Also through like 1943 incompetent strategic leadership

[wintry thistle]

if they didn't care about losses that means they kept sending people

the tank losses for the entire war were atrocious

[covert elbow]

There’s a Lybia map?

[little vigil]

Its one of the North Africa maps

[little vigil]

Its not so much that they kept sending people but when you do send a battalion into a fire sack that battalion doesn't come back in one piece. Push that up to an entire army you then get massive losses. But at the pointy end they didn't human wave the germans.

Tank losses for the entire war are going to be super bad because up through 1942 the USSR was in a state of collapse.

1941 for example you have a huge number of tanks lossed because of mechanical or fuel issues

[wintry thistle]

I said on a strategic scale
They would send waves of divisions etc until the goal was achieved
A wave is a constant motion

[past vortex]

the disregard for tank survival even extended to the design

[wintry thistle]

tank losses were high every single year

[little vigil]

Eh, i think you are peddling some post-war German BS

[wintry thistle]

mainly due to general inferiority of the T-34 and the soviet inferiority of it's tank usage

[little vigil]

There also were'n't ever constant waves

[covert elbow]

We don’t have Lybia

[little vigil]

you would have an iniital attack then later a secondary attack

[covert elbow]

We have Tobruk and El Alamein

[little vigil]

Tobruk is in Libya

[wintry thistle]

Soviet tank usage is closest to human wave
The soviets literally would send them in constant waves

[little vigil]

this is unhinged

[wintry thistle]

which is why you see the terrible losses for the whole war

[little vigil]

Anyone listening please just ignore paul's comments

[little vigil]

there isn't a map called LIbya though

[past vortex]

why would anyone name a map starting with 2 capital letters

[wintry thistle]

in 1944 the tank ratio was 1:2.6

the Germans having only 5,266
the soviets having 21,100

There isn't really any explanation for such high losses besides Soviet inferiority in general
and a constant use of material to cause these losses

[past vortex]

whata way to say 1:5

[finite berry]

What else would've caused those extreme tank losses, tho

[past vortex]

traitors

isnt it obvious

[covert elbow]

Ah. Still don’t get why he said Lybia instead of of Tobruk but I see

[radiant thunder]

is it a open beta test? like can anyone on steam play?

[fluid pawn]

Yep, you'll be able to play on Steam for free next weekend 🙂 https://hellletloose.com/blog/hllv-release-date-announcement

[radiant thunder]

thanks son

[odd belfry]

i was accepted into the closed beta and missed it so

I don’t wanna miss the open beta when is it gonna be happening?

[quartz minnow]

Next weekend

[covert elbow]

Litteraly look at the announcement it tells you

[odd belfry]

bro i work on weekends

[steel trout]

we good baby

[quartz minnow]

Calling off is an option haha

[odd belfry]

Might as well honestly I’m still pissed I missed the first beta

[fluid pawn]

It'll be starting on the Friday if you don't work then 🙂

[nova pivot]

Have you taken a look at the document? 🥺

[covert sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/platoon-death-what-do-y'all-know-about-death-sgt-barnes-gif-1247464109991126333

[limber gull]

Hello.

[worn rose]

Is Find match ever going to be fixed why does it keep putting us in queues when 70% of the servers are emtpy

[lime solstice]

i love waiting in queue for 15 minutes just to get booted the second i join 👍👍

[pine ember]

When 1941/42 eastern front map?

[nova pivot]

When u accept the camo in your PFP is sht

[wraith kraken]

So if I buy the pre order on steam will I be able to play the beta

[past python]

Guys

Why is the game so laggy on PS5?

I have 10Gbit/s, Ethernet

[finite berry]

If you:

Constantly cuss

Use slurs

Make edgy jokes

Rage on comms

…this is NOT the squad for you.

https://tenor.com/view/yakuza-kazuma-kiryu-pissed-off-gif-14586175

[past python]

https://tenor.com/view/yakuza-kazuma-kiryu-pissed-off-gif-14586175

[harsh egret]

The cringe is real

[pine ember]

Never, because it isnt

Dont say something against it

[worn rose]

https://tenor.com/view/attack-on-titan-cat-cat-stare-war-cat-3otakou-instagram-gif-gif-7933722815841438010

Make this new server pic

And bg for hll

[granite silo]

is hll a milsim or more arcade-ish?

[finite berry]

The latter

[covert elbow]

Arcade

[finite berry]

It depends on where you are coming from, tho

[covert elbow]

It’s got a couple hardcore elements but overall it’s very Arcade

[finite berry]

If you come from Squad or Easy Red 2, it'll feel like arcade slop

If you come from Battlefield, it'll feel like a milsim (although it isn't)

[granite silo]

is it alot of teamwork like in squad?

[finite berry]

Eh, nah

In practice, often not really

[granite silo]

oh

why? it seems like a fun hardcore shooter with lots of communication and teamwork?

[finite berry]

From what I've heard, many players don't communicate and it's hard to find a communicative squad

[pine ember]

Thats what YT tells you but in practice many people dont talk anymore nor do teamwork

[finite berry]

You can still find those, don't get me wrong, but it appears like that's more like the exception proving the rule

[pine ember]

Youre a few years late for that, it was a lot better 4 to 5 years ago

[granite silo]

such a shame

in squad they still communicate A LOT, so why is it this way in hll?

[finite berry]

Because it's more arcade -> attracts more arcadey people -> less willing to communicate/play it more like Battlefield -> overall drop in player quality

[pine ember]

Because T17 threw HLL after anyone basically, there were free weekends, it was on epic games and so on, brought in many new players that dont know how to play this game anymore

And it got more casual too

[finite berry]

When did HLL even become available on console? And when was the Epic Games influx?

[pine ember]

Late 2021 I think, and Windows and Epic was in 2024 I think

[finite berry]

Thanks

[granite silo]

why is it more arcade-ish than squad?

[pine ember]

Peak HLL was when the eastern front freshly released in mid 2021

[granite silo]

i dont see a big diff tbh, its equally slow

[finite berry]

Come on PzGren, your time to shine :D

[pine ember]

Tbh I have no idea about Squad

And I need to go to bed

[covert elbow]

Not really. Most of the time your playing solo or with friends

It’s better with teamwork but it’s not really done anymore

[covert elbow]

Low player retention and no tutorial to instruct players on how to best play the game. It used to be taught a lot by player veterans but overtime we’ve left as the games quality slowly become worse and the overwhelming player turnover just made it to much to handle and repeat over and over

[covert elbow]

Not to mention those same YouTubers usually spend the entire game in a discord call rather than in game chats

[finite berry]

Is player retention that bad, tho?

[covert elbow]

Yes

It’s like a turnstyle

[wicked relic]

Don’t know about that when I get on I always have a blast lol

[pine ember]

Then you havent whitnessed the old HLL

Tbf its pretty server and time dependant but 5 years ago it was set that you will have a communicating and fun team

And since the game had less content it felt simpler and more realistic too

Nowadays its often sloppy

[nova pivot]

"we" who does bro think he is?

[tall kettle]

❕** STEAM MAINTENANCE** ❕
Tuesdays 3PM-6PM PDT
Tuesdays 6PM-9PM EST
Tuesdays 10PM-3AM GMT
Wednesdays 8AM-11AM AEST

Some players may experience the following issues during Steam's routine maintenance:

• EAC Notifications
• False Bans
• No Servers Showing
• Player Level Resets

[wicked relic]

@pine ember I hear you but you make the game fun any game I go to I’m the first 1 talking then the squad all talks then everyone has fun I been playing HLL for years

[hard whale]

So I'm guessing we're probably going to get Juno for D-Day

[river rover]

ℹ️ AMD Chipset Drivers 8.05.04.516 WHQLℹ️
https://www.amd.com/en/support/downloads/drivers.html/chipsets/am4/x570.html

[green ferry]

@balmy niche answer dm pls

[covert elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/meisho-doto-meisho-doto-uma-musume-umamusume-gif-2281805766005760505

[dusty bolt]

Good morning chat

[runic gale]

any na people wanna play?

[tall kettle]

❕** STEAM MAINTENANCE NOW ENDING** ❕
Tuesdays 3PM-6PM PDT
Tuesdays 6PM-9PM EST
Tuesdays 10PM-3AM GMT
Wednesdays 8AM-11AM AEST

Steam maintenance has now ended but some issues may still remain until a game restart

• EAC Notifications
• False Bans
• No Servers Showing
• Player Level Resets

[lime solstice]

why is it so hard to find a open server with no long queues and with decent ping

WHAT DO I HAVE TO DO TO GET INTO A GAME

AND WHEN I DO I GET BOOTED!!!

RAGHH!!!

[lethal dagger]

Is there a solution for pc stuttering, i tried to play after 3 years and kept getting stutters.

Only this game has it i can play crimson desert max settings

[lime solstice]

goshi hope hll vietnam isn’t like this

[covert elbow]

G.... Golshi?

https://tenor.com/view/tspchan1-tsp-gold-ship-golshi-uma-musume-gif-17663220847219837854

[obtuse dragon]

https://tenor.com/view/sticker-yung-joc-crying-meme-man-crying-meme-thebeyonderrrr-gif-828328460466032722

if hll:v has the level 1 bug on release i'm going to crash out

[solar carbon]

Anyone online

[slate canopy]

What's up

[solar carbon]

I wanna play Artillery.

wheres the LFG channel

[slate canopy]

#pc-looking-for-unit or #console-looking-for-unit

depending on PC or Console

[lament cosmos]

i keep getting game lo nonger exists

[karmic oracle]

[pine ember]

Cool for you, the last year I played I often said something in the vc and nothing happened most of the times... Thats why I left HLL, it just isnt as good as it used to be

[silk frigate]

.

[storm falcon]

There’s a playtest active?

[pine ember]

Its always active

[storm falcon]

How join?

[pine ember]

Just start the game with the experimental branche active

[cyan saddle]

The experimental branch is only live during specific periods

Outside of those periods the build gets reverted to a live build of the game

So no, there is no playtest active currently.

[wise tide]

Gah dayum

[cedar arrow]

when we have HLL Korean ?

[cosmic pilot]

This man asks the real questions

[worn rose]

Game looks kinda good for a ps4 game!

[feral vine]

How long post Vietnam launch until hll becomes abandonware

[worn rose]

Sadly we still got ps3 bugs tho

Hopefully we can get a current gen patch soon

[proud talon]

A HLL in Korea would be AMAZING.

Just not sure if it’s still a sensitive topic with NK being a little bit rogue.

[pine ember]

Better than Vietnam...

[cedar arrow]

Korean hell lot balance more than vietnam tbh , one such an underrated and one overrated

[pine ember]

HLL WW1 please

[worn rose]

Add mongolian empire hll

https://tenor.com/view/mongol-mongole-genghis-khan-mongol-empire-in-praise-of-genghis-khan-gif-16763326052618891969

[floral trellis]

I want to give out my MacBook Air 2020 &
Charger** for free, it's in perfect health and good as new, alongside a charger so it's perfect, I want to give it out because I just got a new model and I thought of giving out the old one to someone who can't afford one and is in of it... Strictly First come first serve !
Dm IF YOU ARE INTERESTED

[worn rose]

Just pay shipping cost small payment of $10.000

[errant moss]

whats the chance we see the level 1 bug fixed before vietnam comes out

[worn rose]

Bugs fix in this game? 2%

[thin lotus]

You'll see this bug in Vietnam

[wise tide]

Vietnam will be the abandonware

I'll settle for eastern front maps on HLL actually being optimized plz

[harsh egret]

I'm gonna laugh if Vietnam has the same outfit reset bug and everyone loses their preorder outfits and it switches to default every time they log on. Would actually be hilarious.

[wise tide]

They wont mind. "It'll be fixed eventually" etc etc

[harsh egret]

"Give them time. It's a small studio and bug fixes take time. There are always issues with new games at launch."

Gaslighting themselves to death endlessly

[wise tide]

into pre-orders for digital drops as well

I just want to traverse smolensk and grad without freezing/crashing to home screen. Thats literally all i want. They can keep their jungles. Just give me smooth console play on EF maps

[harsh egret]

That's the bug that actually finally tipped the scale for me where I finally walked away from HLL. Many hours of dealing with stutters, crashes, comms issues, trying to get the T17 friends system to function correctly. All of that for years. But having to spend 20 minutes re equipping 3 outfits for all classes for all factions every time I logged on was the end of it. Such an asinine issue to completely ignore and neglect for years. As someone who bought nearly all the cosmetic packs for this game, absolutely unacceptable.

Especially when I watched multiple people much smarter than me explain the issue and how to fix it directly to T17 reps here multiple times. They just don't even acknowledge the issue exists still to this day.

[wise tide]

Lmao, not to mention to "be safe" I have to delete the data cache just to prevent any crashing. Its a placebo, though, as it crashes anyway. An optimization hot fix would do wonders imo.

By the way, when is Juno dropping?

[modest agate]

Man let them take there time hopefully we won’t get a slop fest of an update I’d imagine it will be here within the next 2 weeks

[wise tide]

2 more weeks

[harsh egret]

2 weeks to flatten the curve

We're all in this together

[wise tide]

Im assuming there will be two teams working on each of the games, telling by HLL road map, its promising.... but, eh.

[feral vine]

Jfc that bug is still around?

[feral vine]

"Small studio" as T17 is worth over $500 mill

[edgy loom]

are there any benefits from buing the better preorder

[blazing trout]

Some extra skins I think

[pine ember]

So no there are no benefits

[sturdy quarry]

can see odd screenshots of the boat crew peorder dlc on the xbox store here:
https://www.xbox.com/en-GB/games/store/field-supply-nva-boat-crew-uniform/9N43SC370QWW/0010

and here:
https://www.xbox.com/en-GB/games/store/field-supply-us-army-boat-crew-uniform/9NCJMCRB0LK8/0010

as well as even odder presumably placeholder images for the other field supplies in deluxe here:

https://www.xbox.com/en-GB/games/store/hell-let-loose-vietnam-2026-field-supplies/9MWP4WD08TW5/0010

[wise tide]

The Shane gillis skins as I like to call them

[errant moss]

lots of people still get it

[cedar ore]

cheaper

[solar carbon]

Whos online?

[dusty bolt]

Good evening chat

[solar carbon]

evenin

[rich turtle]

guys i need help

ive joined muliple servers and everytime i join i have not heard 1 SL talk

[cerulean chasm]

What level are you

[rich turtle]

12

[worthy charm]

Now did you join community or official server?

[rich turtle]

community

well idk

[cerulean chasm]

I'd say wait for a new game, join a squad quickly or one that is locked

those usually have talking sl's

[worthy charm]

Then your unlucky...

Just wanted to be sure you dont suffer for nothing

[rich turtle]

ive played this game for 20 hours and have heard 0 mic movement

[cerulean chasm]

are you initiating contact or just waiting for them to talk

[rich turtle]

waiting

[cerulean chasm]

then just say hello or something and ask for orders

[rich turtle]

i cant talk

im to akward

[cerulean chasm]

I was like that too when i started but the game is so much more fun when talking

just try to say something i promise its way better

[rich turtle]

i have a speech inpindemnt

[cerulean chasm]

oh

Does it mean you arent able to talk or is it harder for you

[rich turtle]

well my voice sounds funny and its hard

[cerulean chasm]

I think that most people dont mind your voice

Be confident

[rich turtle]

ill just type in chat and ask if SL talks

[feral vine]

Build nodes and everyone will talk to you

[past python]

So

Somehow we managed to get F O U R supply trucks stuck

[past python]

My brother in christ. The HLL community is the most welcoming shooter community ever

You'll do just fine, believe me

Wrong dude 😭

[past python]

My brother in christ. The HLL community is the most welcoming shooter community ever

[solar carbon]

anyone want to do artillery with me on console?

[solar carbon]

I think a welcoming community would be one that isnt for a FPS

[past python]

Well yeah

At least to me

[west plaza]

Is VC on Vietnam as interactive

[past python]

Everything's gonna be an improvement compared to what we have now

Switched servers four times till I found a server with talking people

[west plaza]

Niceeee

[feral vine]

Highly doubtful

[feral vine]

Wombat didn't deserve to get axed

[worthy charm]

Someone do the wombat summoning ritual

[nova pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/plug-shoebody-bop-ritual-cult-gif-383974090492735392

[haughty stone]

Are there any images of what the Vietnam deluxe edition will include?

[slate canopy]

#sit-reps message We don't have pics of the actual stuff yet, but that's what's included.

[covert elbow]

It’s on the Xbox store actually

[slate canopy]

If it is

then there you go lol

nothing is posted in here.

[past vortex]

you can find out

[solar carbon]

anyone online

[analog apex]

I think there are not any. Another difference between BM and T17. BM showed us pre-order/tier rewards stuff visually straight away for HLL(1)'s Kickstarter. With T17 and Vietnam Deluxe, the people are buying a cat in a bag so to speak. Unknown look and quality despite it is already being sold.

I will gladly stand corrected if I am mistaken, but to my knowledge there haven't been any pictures of the Vietnam's pre-order/Deluxe stuff.

[cyan saddle]

The boat crew uniforms can be found on the xbox store

The rest are yet to be finished, if I were to guess

[analog apex]

Is there any link or something? I would like to see it too.

Because I found nothing on Steam, Discord nor HLL official site at all.

Ah, nvm. googled it
https://cdn1.epicgames.com/spt-assets/d9de332f055748d59b92b3fc9f4dd465/hell-let-loose-vietnam-1vrac.jpg
https://store-images.s-microsoft.com/image/apps.55623.13567363476991273.236ed3c6-34d3-484f-ba78-d722a6ca8a8c.1c395b9e-febc-47ba-8a62-17ff08056db7

[analog apex]

Just why they show it only on the XBox pages? Steam has always been the main site, why not show it there too? 🤔 Or on their own official HLL website for that matter.

[fluid pawn]

I'll get the release team to get this updated 🫡 Should be on all of them ngl

[echo karma]

Idk why ppl care so much about mtx

[cyan saddle]

Why can't the entire world be like you Muph, it would be a much better place

[echo karma]

Especially if yall are so butthurt the game ain't fixed Yada Yada. Why you spend money on the game?

[echo karma]

I spend hundreds of dollars on poe mtx tbf but GGG can't do no wrong imo

[worldly moat]

just preordered deluxe edition im so frigin impatient omg

[echo karma]

No pre orders. That's what big pharma wants

[worldly moat]

noooo i get cool stuff i think idk but its deluxe and im a consumer so rahh

omg yes anzacs

60k troopso and only like 300 died 😭 4k injured tho

australian sas were the real troops in nam yikes

[echo karma]

We lost Vietnam FYI

[worldly moat]

ik

well idk wym by WE since im russian but erm

but yeah VN was a scam bruh america just wanted a quick hit of "were so great" but australians were most feared >_>

[static granite]

If we want the devs to listen, do not pre order the game it’s simple . I mean cmon . Everyone in this discord complains the devs do nothing . So do not pre order the game right?

[worldly moat]

idc i preordered wah

[echo karma]

Big corpos care about pre orders. Microsoft n Sony

[slow tapir]

HELL YEAH shotguns

Ngl I’m curious how they are going to do body armor, since this is one of the first major combats with actual body armor

Will all shots still be one shot? Or will it be interesting

[analog apex]

I don't think body armour will be anything else than a cosmetic. A skin, without any practical function. Just like in HLL(1).

[slow tapir]

Yeah but there’s no real armor in WW2 in Vietnam it was a warfare evolution

[analog apex]

One of the Soviet skins has a body armour.

[slow tapir]

Yeah but that’s just a skin amongst a small group. Flak jackets were used on both sides by nearly every troop.

[analog apex]

And I think the same way, most of the uniforms in Vietnam will have no body armour on them either.

And on top of it I highly doubt the devs would be bothered with making a logic for it to modify the damage.

[past veldt]

Some of the same bugs in HLL:V as are in HLL:WW2, so I suspect it's the exact same logic ported over

[analog apex]

HLL's depth is not that deep. If they added something so specific like the body armour damage modifiers, they would need to add some other features as well, that are in the same depth relatively. Maybe like stamina/fatigue system to affect the player's accuracy (just a 1st thing that came to my mind).

[past veldt]

They made a whole new style map and it's still just as buggy. I've got zero faith in their ability to add any depth

[grizzled kiln]

They did export stuff from HLL WW2.

So yeah, same old same old in a new wrapping ( UE5)

[analog apex]

and some new features that should have been in HLL1 long ago too (ladders, mortars, dragging, interactive tutorial, adjustable loadout system)

[silk igloo]

I'm under the impression that 100-player games are pretty strained in netcode budget and such performance which limits what they can do. IIRC it took a long time for Squad to actually implement 100 player games as marketed since the servers simply couldnt handle it. Meaning, perhaps HLL could have more depth if it was a 80 player game instead?

need a wizard to explain if player numbers affect viable features

[past veldt]

Abu is the wizard

Afaik more players = lower tick rate = worse server performance

@cyan saddle help explain this before I board a plane in 15 minutes

[analog apex]

I am not a wizzard but I believe they do affect it and in a big way. Because the server needs to track everything of each player (his health, position, ammo, all his personal stats...).

[grizzled kiln]

Yeah its a lot of data. Which also explains why the game runs so well on empty or half empty servers

[cyan saddle]

Inherently, number go up means performance go down. But player count in particular doesn't scale very well, because players don't tend to sit still in a menu and instead interact with other players and objects.

[analog apex]

Which is why it would be so problematic to add something like full destruction. Then apart of tracking all the values of all the players, the server would need to track the state of all the objects on the map... at all times.

[cyan saddle]

As a result, increasing the playercount doesn't just mean more players, but also more bullets being fired, more vehicles being driven around, more everything.

[finite berry]

Plot twist, there will be body armour, but it's unintentional and a bug

[analog apex]

aka hitreg problems 😄

[silk igloo]

What does it look like for the player if the server hits 100% load and cant compute everything? Lag, rubberbanding?

[past veldt]

You missed the time when they added arms as a separate hitbox, pretended bullets could go through them but actually the torso now just soaked up extra bullets at random

They also accidentally enabled it on console at some point

[cyan saddle]

Think of the server as sending you a snapshot of where everything and everyone is ~20 times (ticks) a second, and your client interpolates between those snapshots and simulates where everything will end up next tick, assuming everyone and everything continues in the path they were last seen moving.

If the server freezes, i.e. stops sending snapshots, everyone around you will just continue walking in the direction they were walking. Like those individual player desync videos you have probably seen.

Until eventually your client closes the connection because it hasn't received any response from the server for an extended period (aka lost connection to host)

[analog apex]

timeout

[slow tapir]

Can’t be as bad as BF5 tbh. Really good at start, decided randomly to give a 350% health buff to the point a tiger shell to the chest is only a “hit”

[cyan saddle]

This is also essentially what rubberbanding is. It's just a micro-desync. (either because the server froze for like half a second, or because of a network hiccup)

[analog apex]

Maybe all this will change eventually - the word is that Unreal Engine 6's main focus will be allowing large playercounts with many stuffs on large maps. Maybe they have some solution to the today's problems already. Although today, I am still not sure how because they have to send all the data somehow, right?

[silk igloo]

So to add more features that require computation, they could either decrease map width and player numbers, or design the gameplay slower so the players wouldn't stress the server as much. Or use higher-end servers?

[slow tapir]

I mean from all the FPS games I’ve played HLL servers are fairly stable

[cyan saddle]

UE5 replication (and UE5 in general) isn't optimized for one particular use case. It's designed to be flexible.

[analog apex]

UE5 maybe. But I am talking about UE6 (ofc. not a topic for HLL, nor HLL:Vietnam as it will take years before UE6 arrives).

[cyan saddle]

Which in the context of networking and replication translates to transmitting everything a game might need, which is always more than it actually needs.

[cyan saddle]

It was mostly in response to the latter part of your statement about how it could be optimized in a future version

[silk igloo]

I wonder if they could increase player numbers to 200 if as a trade-off they removed grenades, automatic weapons, vehicles...

[analog apex]

Proably yeah... if they would remove many enough variables from the computing.

It would need way too much stuff to remove though.

[finite berry]

Add 100 more players per match, remove weapons

[analog apex]

😄

[silk igloo]

I mean, Mount & Blade had 250 player servers even 15 years ago, not much grenades or automatic weapons to be had there...

[cyan saddle]

A lot can be achieved by offloading computations to the client as well. For example client side hit registration.

Not to say that it's ideal, but...

[analog apex]

It however creates some room for cheating SW.

With having everything checked on/by the server, it is ensured it's not that easy to cheat (relatively ofc.).

[slow tapir]

If Arma can run 200 players servers on a potato engine and have everything known to god in it. So can HLL.🤣

[analog apex]

+have AI +large maps 🙂

not sure what's the deal there and what all the stuff does it record and how in Arma

maybe HLL's variables that the server needs to transmit each time, are just very badly optimized... who knows (but I would tend to believe that, considering the HLL's optimization overall in general 😄 )

[worldly moat]

https://tenor.com/view/sealyx-girls-last-tour-yuuri-gif-1793850562840200759

[silk igloo]

Would be funny to see someone make a HLL mod for Arma or Squad 44 only for it to perform better every way. Fine, I'll do it myself.gif

[cosmic pilot]

I wouldn't mind a hll sdk so I could make hyrum let loose

[cyan saddle]

Arma's Enfusion engine isn't just a potato engine though. It's a potato engine that's optimized specifically for large scale shooters.

[wise tide]

Post scriptum was peak when I had a gaming rig

[echo karma]

It's bad just say that. Vietnam bombs harder than lego batman

[cyan saddle]

It's not bad though.

[echo karma]

Optimization wise it is toast

Doa dead

[cyan saddle]

Everything is toast optimization wise when pushed to or past its limits

[echo karma]

Ue5 still running on ue2 code lol

[cyan saddle]

People keep saying that as if it's inherently a bad thing.

[echo karma]

Imagine a world where game devs make there own engine instead of using slop epic for everything

[cyan saddle]

Code that was good 20 years ago is in many cases still good today.

[wise tide]

Why is optimization an eternal problem for the devs? Half the eastern front maps if not most arent optimized for console 🙁

[echo karma]

It's actually trash. Amd hates ue5

[cyan saddle]

And you think the UE2 code is to blame?

[echo karma]

Rather epic hates amd tbf

Is dlss on by default? Lemme guess

[cosmic pilot]

It's muph

[cyan saddle]

Muph is one of many people

[echo karma]

Funny joke

[cyan saddle]

Is this the part where you reveal that you're a bot

[echo karma]

Optimization is a big issue for ue5 tho. And these devs are the type to wait for an epic patch till anything happens

[echo karma]

Me and Ben are the same ppl

[cosmic pilot]

Scary fact number 7

[cyan saddle]

What are the 6 scary facts that came before?

[cosmic pilot]

I don't have a good enough Internet connection to go into that

[grizzled kiln]

It's also a custom engine. UE isn't

UE is the jack of all trades and master of none kinda engine.

[cyan saddle]

That's a nice way of putting it

[wise tide]

Why play arma when you can play squad

[cyan saddle]

Why play when you can join the army

[steel trout]

im not that poor

[echo karma]

Cuz vietnam map and what 120 players

[wise tide]

Orange Along The Watchtower Crash Edition with skins for boat crews looooool

[echo karma]

They like pink here. Plus real talk gas will never come ever

[dire talon]

I just downloaded hell let loose an hour ago
And i regret every second of it
This game is actual ragebait
Why am i the only one who gets killed between ten ppl near me
And got team killed

[nova pivot]

Easy

Skill issue mate

Gotta get gud

[finite berry]

Because you're new and dying often is part of the experience?

You'll get better over time

[true owl]

Anyone uk in on ps5 need someone to play with show me comms and objectives plays etc love the game just want some pointers how to team play

Cheers

[slow holly]

Hey all, what channel is best to post bug issues?

Still getting "game no longer exists" on certain servers

[cyan saddle]

It's up to the individual admins to update their servers

Multiple reminders have already been sent out to admins in the server hosting discord server, but not every community is in there, and those that are may have forgotten.

You'll likely have to message them yourself to let them know. Once the next content update comes around they will be forced to update.

[slow holly]

Ah gotcha thanks 👍

[dire talon]

I keep getting spawnkilled

I dont even have time to react

[finite berry]

Then spawn somewhere else

Like, if the enemy is actively camping your spawn, act accordingly and spawn somewhere else

If there is no other spawn, join another squad as it might have an uncontested spawn

[harsh egret]

It takes a bit to get your bearings. Basically throw away everything you have learned from CoD and Battlefield. Don't sprint in the open. Slow and steady. Move from cover to cover when you do move. I'm still proud of the fact I got three kills with a garand my first life ever before I died. But yeah you gotta play very different here than other games.

The rage bait is actually the endless crashing and terrible performance. You'll get sick of that eventually.

[echo karma]

HLLV you crash at menu instead

Win win

[wispy tulip]

anyone else getting network error ?

[obtuse dragon]

"why go to a 4 star restaurant when you can go to your local KFC"

[wise tide]

Are you implying arma is a 4 star restaurant

Plz dont

In fact, I'd wager arma is a bad street vendor

[thin scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/smg4-smg4skill-issue-skill-issue-smg4mario-smg4skill-gif-26104493

[feral vine]

Just clear your cache and youll be a hll god

[rose plank]

hello

why i can't play ? when i connect on a game there is " time out " and they kick me

time out 1/3

[cyan saddle]

That's an EAC error. Restart your game, and if the issue persists, repair EAC.

[rose plank]

Thinks for your answer @cyan saddle i don't know what is a EAC error, but yes peraps it's ok when i restard ( first time i start Hell of loose and he stay back on my computer so... )

[cyan saddle]

Easy Anti Cheat

[azure ether]

So uhhh when horse?

[nimble ivy]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1406434934934999080/1436135570165334188/attachment.gif

[nimble ivy]

horse?

[azure ether]

Horse yeah

[nimble ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/tactical-horse-gif-21888726

[azure ether]

https://tenor.com/view/horse-you-have-alerted-the-horse-alert-alert-horse-horse-alert-gif-10675569724654458517

More like this

[stray sapphire]

how is modding gonna work

I feel that I can improve on the uniforms, they look off to me

[azure ether]

First ever mod gonna be turning tanks to horses

[nimble ivy]

juggernaut gamemode when

[worthy charm]

Damn

[cedar shuttle]

Please dont go back to 1 shot recon tanks with rockets

[azure ether]

Horse

[nimble ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/road-rage-flipping-off-arguing-rocket-launcher-viralhog-gif-14285007

[worthy charm]

shh hourse man

shhhhhh

[nimble ivy]

y cant we shoot out windows, seems like a realistic feature

[azure ether]

Nuh uh, horse is god

[noble fable]

ARGH

[azure ether]

Horse

[steel trout]

my recon tank always gets 1shot anyway

[noble fable]

STOP WITH THE PINGS

[cedar ore]

rip mediums killing panthers ig

[worthy charm]

Horse is lasagne

[worthy charm]

ey

[noble fable]

Ye

[haughty solar]

https://tenor.com/view/why-do-u-ping-ping-discord-discord-ping-ping-why-did-you-ping-gif-8379994546500872858

[cedar ore]

AT is back to killing pumas in 1 btw

[finite berry]

What pings

[noble fable]

Idk

[azure ether]

How hungry are you?

[dull quail]

Yo smoke launchers is awesome excited to play juno again hope it will release soon too if playtest goes well

[nimble ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/im-so-hungry-i-could-gif-4107604657722675486

[azure ether]

Horser

[cedar ore]

half track buff damn

[nimble ivy]

guys, y cant we shoot out car windows. seems like a pretty realistic feature that should be a thing fr

https://tenor.com/view/zuh-cat-side-eye-stare-cat-staring-ca-gif-7404392670733848800

[cedar ore]

SMOKE LAUNCHERS HOLY PEAK

[azure ether]

Nuh, we should be able to shoot while riding horse

[haughty solar]

3 pings. Invest the pings in the game

[nimble ivy]

no horses shall be harmed in the making of this game

[azure ether]

Thats definitely a horse if I've ever seen one

[azure ether]

Ill ping you when horse

[nimble ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/soldiers-warhorse-shout-benedict-cumberbatch-ready-gif-16351566

[azure ether]

https://tenor.com/view/gogo-horse-riding-war-warhorse-gif-13410183

[haughty solar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1460785733089362084/1481231636497698970/converted.gif

[nimble ivy]

chargeeeeee\

[cyan saddle]

The horseposting is real

[haughty solar]

https://tenor.com/view/scheming-evil-plan-evil-patrick-star-gif-10510616862356007648

[nimble ivy]

guys stop horsing around

[azure ether]

Imma horse you

[azure ether]

Never

[cedar ore]

for the horse, it was just play,
but tom, tom noticed it was foolery

[rose plank]

huum ok thinks, it's working now 🙂 😉

[fluid pawn]

Guys, the horse is not coming. They don't have smoke launchers so now wouldn't fit

[haughty solar]

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-duck-gif-1363576254939741235

[cedar ore]

do we know what tanks will specifically have smoke launchers

[fluid pawn]

There are quite a few. I'll be adding the full list to the U20 Changelog along with the "type" of smoke launcher they have 🫡

[cyan saddle]

where's the history buffs when you need them

[cedar ore]

awesome, cant wait

[wise tide]

Have the eastern front maps been optimized yet

:T

[past vortex]

recon tank snipes are back :O
hurray

[past veldt]

I wish we could go back to linking steam Dev briefs. The HLL website is awful to load on mobile

[main harness]

@fluid pawn I am once against asking you to speak to actual tankers for tank updates.

[past vortex]

halftrack spam is on

jeeps now cheap as dirt :O

[cedar ore]

jeeps are rarely used anyway so thats not a big deal

[past vortex]

for 30 i will totally ask for a jeep every time now

[molten sail]

fuel changes, the half-track might be somewhat useable now but for some reason it still has the spawning function attached to it

[past veldt]

Still kinda cucked by the vehicle limit, which is going to be hilarious in pubs now we're getting five jeeps spawned at all times

[past vortex]

we can now have soooo many lvl 1 riflemen driving around in halftracks

its beautiful

[past veldt]

150 fuel kinda nice though. Honestly worth getting two of those up at that price for some shenanigans

[cedar ore]

still wish only squad leads and command could move that, would be a LIFESAVER

[past veldt]

I'd be dumping a safe one locked in 4th and a safe one in 2nd for sure

[molten sail]

they just needed to remove the spawning function and make it a default spawn in a hq

[cedar ore]

next best thing i saw was someone purposely getting it stuck in a trench

[past veldt]

Don't forget my as yet unused bug with HTs where you can spawn in any sector, locked or not 😉

[past vortex]

wdym bug

:}

[past veldt]

Well, unintended feature

[thin scarab]

Anything intressting in the dev Brief ?

[past veldt]

It's bad enough I decided to not use it in a tournament as it'd probably just be an immediate forfeit

[past vortex]

yes

[past veldt]

Half price HTs and a load of stuff about tanks but they're irrelevant

(as a group of players)

[past vortex]

i like that sniping recon tanks will be back, that was always fun

[past veldt]

@fluid pawn any possibility of increasing vehicle limits? Fuel has been fairly abundant since the 2 heavy limit, and so the limiting factor on support/utility vehicles isn't fuel but literally being unable to spawn more than five vehicles

[past vortex]

dont forget spawn spots

[thin lotus]

Vehicle changes 😴

[thin scarab]

Fuel decrease is nice

[cyan saddle]

The actual limiting factor here is the server farting itself once you have too many physics objects driving around

[thin scarab]

Jeep only 30 Well allot of BBs will be driving im jeeps now 🤣

[molten sail]

one day we will see a class change or gunplay change.. or will we...

[thin lotus]

You can tell how bored the devs are of this IP

[past veldt]

Ikik, but you never know... Especially as it's more of an issue in Vietnam

We might see server performance improvements

[past vortex]

hahaha

good one

[uneven gust]

Delay Vietnam.

It rhymes too!

[uneven gust]

I would take hell let loose First World War over Vietnam

[nimble ivy]

i wouldnt

[uneven gust]

Have you seen how messy Vietnam is?

“But the games not out”

The tunnels need a serious revamp otherwise NVA wins every match

500 meters between tunnels is crazy

[solemn junco]

I couldn't see anything due to the blur

[fluid pawn]

Something I can raise with the team tomorrow 🫡

[nimble ivy]

idc, id still enjoy it more than ww1, every game hass its bugs

u gotta give stuff time bro

[covert elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/tspchan1-tsp-gold-ship-golshi-uma-musume-gif-17663220847219837854

[azure ether]

Make sure to ask about the horse too

[obtuse dragon]

Irl Vietnam

The only thing that held the NVA and NLF from winning was because a bunch of the nlf members were farmers and the US spammed Napalm 24/7

[hazy owl]

I'm not hating these changes

[gilded spade]

@fluid pawn Who are the people that are demanding armour changes?!
Where are these guys?

[finite berry]

Ah, raging comp at it again

[gilded spade]

This is just an armour player asking this

[finite berry]

Less welcoming to changes than even the most hardcore conservatives

[little vigil]

HLL handling of armour has been a mess

[past veldt]

It's 2038, HLL:WW2 is on it's 46th Armour Rework. All tanks one tap each other, except the Luchs, which cannot kill tanks, trucks, or infantry.

Nodes remain unchanged since 2021 and the Commander still has to click 4 times to place abilities.

[little vigil]

Its always been in this weird arcade/realism space thats never quite worked.

Like Battlefield's method of handling tanks is purely arcade but it functions as like a cohesive system with the game. Where like... HLL just doesn't

[covert elbow]

It’s been asked for a long time gamer

[little vigil]

Armour does need changed but I don't really think these do a ton... I dunno the whole system is just sorta toast

[gilded spade]

There is just no point explaining it to a guy that misses the point and is in this discord solely to bait.
Anyway, you responded in a less than a minute in a discord server of a game you aren't even playing. Get a life

[little vigil]

One of the recurrent problems they've never adressed is just that tanks are more valuable than infantry but infantry uptime is such you get an AT soldier spawning every 30 seconds to kill you

[desert ledge]

Will we be getting tank destroyers this year?

[little vigil]

but then depending on the map tanks are insane

[wise tide]

Just port red orchestra to console atp

[past veldt]

It's clear they don't know what they want to do, as so much is changing so often. Yet they let everything else sit untouched for fear they completely break the balance of their game

(a game they absolutely don't play)

[hidden blaze]

When is the console beta for hll vietnam, I want to try before I pre order

[wise tide]

Lol

[past veldt]

Just don't pre order. It's a digital game

[little vigil]

83 has RO style tanks which has been a lot of fun. They also lean into tanks being kinda glass cannons with fairly quick replacement rates which I think works better for games with this pace

[hidden blaze]

I might as well since it'll still be $40 after launch I just want the skins

[past veldt]

Skins you can't see

[wise tide]

The skins look like Shane gillis

[little vigil]

Squad and HLL wants tanks to be "tanky" which I think leads to the wrong outcomes

whereas ROOST, RO2, 83 lean more towards tanks being replaceable with pretty generous uptimes

[hidden blaze]

Right but my friends can haha

And it's not like I'm saving money by waiting for it to launch so might as well

[wise tide]

Everyone is pondering and debating the next installment, when honestly I just want smolensk and stalingrad to stop crashing to home screen

🙁 oh well

[hidden blaze]

So no nobody knows when console beta is?

[finite berry]

Exactly ^^ the system itself is just not good imo

[finite berry]

You're falling for the "bait" lol

[finite berry]

I reckon that removing the satchel's capability of one-shotting tanks would already do wonders

[little vigil]

you could go either way. my pref would be to just let tanks be more fragile but get them back in the fight sooner

rather than make them "raid bosses" that you need a ton to take down

becuase infantry isn't built that way so its this weird separation

[thin lotus]

Tanks inclusion was always a mistake. They are completely at odds against the general (and rather poor) flow of the games gameplay loops

[little vigil]

I think there was a way and IMO its just to make tanks more similar to infantry.

Like if you go back to RO:OST which was a fairly fast paced game they let tanks get OHK by whatever but it wasn't a huge deal when they died

like yea a panzerfaust is going to blow your tank up. No need for super complicated systems or whatever

[mellow bluff]

Can you get the test branch on epic

[nimble ivy]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/994192284960702496/1000118794393505812/IMG_20220602_154816.gif

[covert elbow]

Also AT being abundant and resupplied on death

[little vigil]

thats part and parcel of the issue

[little vigil]

essentially infantry uptime is super high. If you kill a guy they are down for like maybe 10-40 seconds. Average is probably like 20 seconds.

You have an effectively unlimited number of AT guys who have a downtime of 20 seconds.

Meanwhile your tank has a long respawn time, long drive to the front, etc...

[lethal perch]

Is any alt history still off the table for HLL? I'm really wondering if there is a chance for an eastern coast front or a Sealion operation

[past vortex]

doesnt apply to good taners tho
making bad tankers viable isnt a good idea

[finite berry]

My guy, this game is approaching its development end (although not anytime soon), I think alt history stuff is definitely off the table

[humble slate]

i completly forgot abt this but uh happy mental health awareness month yall <3 always remember that you and your feelings matter no matter who you are :> MMMMMMWAH

[finite berry]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/853610713678217258.gif?v=1

[cosmic pilot]

when infantry update

[covert elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/daitaku-helios-uma-musume-gyaru-anime-gacha-game-gif-1656436044261661493

[humble slate]

:)

nearly 3k today folks....lets try to keep that under 3k :,>

[olive garden]

I'm really hoping we get a new commander ability soon

[tranquil fulcrum]

Some of these changes sound good but 3 shots front between heavies will cause some really boring stalemates especially with a rep station come on t17

[past vortex]

how about 2 rep stations

[tranquil fulcrum]

That's gonna be 5-6 shots to kill a heavy

Incredibly awkward fights incoming. I don't know if these devs actually play the game.
Especially on the competitive scene everybody is playing positionally so getting 2 shots in is not easy at all with kiting.
Making it 3 will make heavies almost unkillable by other heavies infantry will be the only viable way to kill heavy tanks.

That's a 24 second heavy vs heavy fight (without rep stations) which is plenty of time to get into cover what a joke

[fierce granite]

the new armor changes are stupid

[covert elbow]

Like what?

[olive garden]

idk anything i dont care what they would add just anything to add to the role to make it more fun

[twilit citrus]

what's going to happen first?
Team17 actually fixing the grenade bug that's been plaguing this game for many years
or them releasing a completely new game in a undercooked state

[olive garden]

the change log you guys put out today for update 20 was that the full change log for update 20 or half of the change log ?

[lethal perch]

How is it approaching end of development???

[dire talon]

Rn i love the game way better than arma reforger

[wise tide]

Crashes less than reforger, and that's saying something

[dire talon]

Yeah ive playing it for 4 hours now
Not a single crash or frame drops

I love it

Addicted to it

And i get to play in my home country libya

[wise tide]

You wont experience any of that unless you're in stalingrad, smolensk, or smolensk night. Its rare but it does happen on more mainline maps

[dire talon]

And you can feel the kill unlike arma reforger

The ragdoll so beautiful

Cant wait for hell let loose Vietnam

[olive garden]

the change log you guys put out today for update 20 was that the full change log for update 20 or half of the change log ?

[odd belfry]

when does the play test start tomorrow?

[oak current]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1105485222188957716/1507100389961633912/Landscape_PTE.png?ex=6a10ac1d&is=6a0f5a9d&hm=8153f210217ce2b26b019c162eabb06d5b412e4929d3b08843eb50ab7afb9791&

[humble sigil]

how can i join the play test

[slate canopy]

The EXP branch is PC only.

[humble sigil]

ik i have a pc also

[slate canopy]

So on steam, when it's available, you can update to the experimental branch.

[humble sigil]

ok

[slate canopy]

Usually 5-10 GB update.

[inland solstice]

how to join in playtest?

[slate canopy]

For Vietnam? It's an open beta, join the firstlook. #sit-reps message

[inland solstice]

thanks

[odd belfry]

Why does the event pic says may 22nd but the message says may 29

[timber sedge]

Yall I just farted, and when I tasted the particles they tasted very yummy, sorta salty like the French fries I just ate but had some tangy zest and punch behind the flavor

[haughty solar]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-fish-looking-phone-disappointment-gif-23326574

[finite berry]

HLLV is coming out and HLL is simply an old game

[grizzled kiln]

Devs decided to keep the game on good ole UE4, as other developers are now launching new games on UE28

[thin scarab]

He doesnt even Play the Game. Tells you all you need to know.

[thin scarab]

I keep saying this These Devs dont know there own Game..

[finite berry]

:(

[analog apex]

And yet they didn't manage to upgrade even the UE4 at least to its latest version 🙁 .
(4.27.2)

[hidden current]

can we just not do the upcoming tank changes

[finite berry]

Why

[past veldt]

Please don't listen to Conor. He has EU comp brain issues

[mint shadow]

Hey guys, has anyone had the problem where you can’t see any servers or search for a specific one in-game and fixed it, if so please let me know how you fixed it

[heady hornet]

since devs should not listen to comp players. I like these changes and they should defo be added in.

[cedar ore]

hopefully it goes live soon

i didnt get to try it last time

[slate canopy]

The pic is for HLL WW2 experimental branch. The open Beta for HLL Vietnam is 29th.

[tranquil fulcrum]

Usually restarting game works if that doesn't then check your search settings for anything that could limit servers from showing up. If that doesn't work either I would just take a picture of my settings and redownload tbh

[hidden current]

I dont even know if it's good or not but i don't have brainpower to relearn stuff 🙁

[past veldt]

Turn on Crossplay and reset filters

[past veldt]

Honestly yeah. The constant changing must be a nightmare. Yet we can't get commander fixes or rebalances for love nor money

[mint shadow]

i have reinstalled the game - i have turned corssplay ON and the filters have been reset - i have flushed DNS - i have changed ping - i have checked the firewall - i have tried VPN - the list goes on, ive had this issue for quite a while it was the reason i quit the game to begin with, thanks for the answers tho @tranquil fulcrum and @past veldt

[past veldt]

@river rover might be able to assist. Otherwise I'd suggest sending a DM to @plush kettle

[tranquil fulcrum]

Crossplay with PC? I thought that PC doesn't have crossplay maybe that could be the problem? (I'm unsure about that)

Could it be an issue with the server search settings like not showing servers with a set amount of players of certain ping?

And yeah HLL support is the best call tbh

[river rover]

You are sure you are launching the actual game and NOT the PTE=Public testing?

[mint shadow]

i am 100% sure yes

[river rover]

Give me a couple minutes and we can do a DM and go over everything and see if we can figure it out.

[mighty kestrel]

Hi @fluid pawn, can I please ask that AT and armour are not consistently changed for the sake of it every other update. Aside from this latest one being somehow unpopular with armour and infantry players I think most people would rather there is work done on things like not being able to see through windows from over 30m or other bugs not addressed for months.

Thanks,

Someone who is not touching Vietnam when this game manages to get consistently messed up at every opportunity.

[static granite]

By far the worst tank / armor rework @fluid pawn .. you cannot classify a panther armor the way you have. In fact . Non of the armor ratings you have is anywhere near playable. Stop wasting resources on redoing armor 6 times and fix the maps that crash constantly

[tranquil fulcrum]

Most changes are aight but the 3 shot heavy thing is horrible

Panther wasn't really fair in the first place because the allies only have 1 viable heavy tank which is the 76

Recons being 1 shot again is a good change 2 rockets is a good change

Lights being more viable now is good as well for the health of the game

[finite berry]

The devs not working on an armour rework wouldn't necessarily mean they could work on fixing crashes instead

[tranquil fulcrum]

Elise what are you doing here serious question you spend more time on this discord than actual people playing this game

Is this like a social hub for you?

[finite berry]

Just one of several communities that I'm rather active in

[mint shadow]

i am pretty sure i found the problem now my upd wasflooding and ISP routing was very bad. thanks for your answers !

[tranquil fulcrum]

I think your brain needs to be studied for spending so much time in a discord server that doesn't include a hobby of yours

[finite berry]

To answer your question, check my About me

I mean, the overall genre is a hobby of mine

[tranquil fulcrum]

Yeah I know you, it's just that I come here every month or so and you're always on but don't even play the game so it's a bizarre thing

I hope you know that

[river rover]

So you are now good?

[finite berry]

It's not like the overall topic is unintenteresting to me

[mint shadow]

Yes sir, i can search and find servers now, i downloaded Cloudflare one and activated WARP and now it works. and i did a troubleshooting afterwards and it shows flooding and bad ISP routing, @river rover

[tranquil fulcrum]

Yeah I don't find golf completely uninteresting either but you don't see me or anyone for that matter joining golf discord and arguing with actual golf players about their bats and certain associations trying to justify their actions

I won't tell you what to do I'm just telling you what you look like

[finite berry]

^^

[tranquil fulcrum]

Hopeless 🤣

I give up good luck

[oak current]

eh, we have people here who havent played in 5+ years and ramble nearly daily on why X is bad
instead of just moving on

[haughty solar]

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-parrott-bird-crazy-bird-funny-bird-gif-17817848345755955439

[tranquil fulcrum]

Lonely individuals

[oak current]

eh, some get just amusement out of it - some post here once a week to remind everyone why they dislike base mechanics of HLL.

so Elise just overlooking how the HLL Community is doing, seems fine

I would expect that he'd also talk actively over at another community that shall not be named gets ready to cough

clears throat
There we go

[finite berry]

I'm not just not uninterested, I'm actively interested. And I know what I'm talking about, ans when I don't, I make that clear. Counter question, why do you care so much?

[finite berry]

I mean, I am :)

[oak current]

motivate those nerds to play that game more

[finite berry]

Hey, I recently taught two newbies :D

[tranquil fulcrum]

Elise is a weirdo who constantly justifies decisions by the devs even though he doesn't play the game.
Plenty of hobbies in the world with like minded individuals but he chooses to spend more time here than actual people who play the game which is bizzare behaviour. It shows a lack of interest in anything that might involve him maybe he doesn't have actual hobbies or interests

💀

It requires a certain level of idiocy to tell a chef for example how to cook simply by chatting on discord

Just giving you a reality check I'm out

[charred swan]

Your reality check has done nothing but paint a really bad farce on you as a person to put so much of your "time" into one other person on an online discussion board

[finite berry]

What did I justify, tho. I never said these armour changes are good or bad (because I'm lacking knowledge and experience because I don't play it), I only said that not working on armour changes automatically translates into more dev manpower being available to fix crashes

Also, just because I'm active here doesn't mean I have no other hobbies or interests. :D

[finite berry]

Again, I have knowledge and experience on the broader field of video games HLL falls under

[charred swan]

What a cretin

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/whatever-go-my-scarab-whatever-go-my-true-scarab-go-my-scarab-morgan-freeman-gif-3091971228562826566

[tranquil fulcrum]

I'll see you next month when T17 makes another bad decision while you and elise make pixel babies

🍻

[charred swan]

I don't play this game anymore

[tranquil fulcrum]

Ah that's why you got mad because you and elise have a lot in common 🤣

[charred swan]

Im judging you purely off your snide character and snarky commeng

[charred swan]

Im here bc im waiting for hll Vietnam 😭

[finite berry]

Bro, what are you talking about, YOU started this pointless discussion

[charred swan]

Who hurt you to be so bitter to strangers on the internet

[tranquil fulcrum]

I just like mocking bums

[charred swan]

YOU are the bum 😭

[tranquil fulcrum]

Ok horse race

[charred swan]

You've come back for 24 mins checking this chat

[slow tapir]

Ladies ladies you’re both beautiful. Now relax.

[charred swan]

For someone who has sm to do, you find an awful lot of time to "mock bums"

[tranquil fulcrum]

I hope you and elise make horse race babies together

[charred swan]

So do i

Have a gracious day 🙏

[finite berry]

Best I can do is dinosaur babies

[worthy charm]

You guys talk about balancing to much

[oak current]

quick, someone say something about the Luchs

[worthy charm]

Lets talk about the important stuff

[oak current]

aaah I was too late, he is here

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/gif-gif-15379971984385267012

[oak current]

hi willes

[worthy charm]

Will the luchs have them tho?

I need to know

[worthy charm]

Hi, I have returned from playing Subnautica and FOD larp

[nova pivot]

Delete luchs

[worthy charm]

https://klipy.com/gifs/ban-bongo-cat--k01KS7SAEK2Z4K90T0APP73MSX7

[finite berry]

We did

[worthy charm]

Lying now are we?

[bronze oyster]

Probably gonna annoy some people here lol, is there a release date?

[worthy charm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1320450047002939428/1498695804334903338/attachment.gif

[finite berry]

I would never lie 😇

[finite berry]

#sit-reps

[bronze oyster]

Thankyou

[nova pivot]

Ok ban me

But delete luchs

[pine ember]

Delete tanks entirely

[finite berry]

@icy plank

[echo karma]

Horse guns when

https://tenor.com/view/horse-shooting-finger-guns-gif-12701136

[wispy tulip]

is conquest already out in HLL?

[past veldt]

Conquest isn't an armour rework, and we're only recieving those for the next 14 updates I think

[echo karma]

Someone somewhere said they were nerfing AT back to 2 rockets

[azure ether]

So uhm horse

[noble fable]

Horses are good

[azure ether]

Indeed

[azure ether]

You are approved and appreciated by horse take a medal 🏅

[noble fable]

Thank you sir

[pine ember]

https://tenor.com/view/food-gif-12460644213215750059

[lucid shore]

will vietman have crossplay between console and PC?

[wind tendon]

No only PC to Switch

[echo karma]

https://tenor.com/view/jonah-hex-machine-gun-western-wild-west-wild-wild-west-gif-8603467379334456986

[finite berry]

Yes

[dusty bolt]

Good morning c hat

[gilded spade]

It is sad

[split spruce]

Hello, so you're doing a PTE on tanks and we're forced to go on servers, spawn vehicles and cross 1200 meters? Why are you blocking basic training for PTEs? Seriously, sometimes I wonder if you're even thinking, Team17.

[wise tide]

Their live streams sound like they invited three randos to discover what the update is all about. Painful to watch

[finite berry]

That's right, they should invite me instead

[finite berry]

Still living free of rent in your head

[gilded spade]

Sure

Sad pathetic man

[finite berry]

Glad you agree

[uneven gust]

Running simulator

I’m just running’ in the 40’s! Ja

Runnin’ in the 40s

“Delay HLL: Vietnam”

-Australian painter

“Delay the game mate”

[harsh egret]

Pacific Theater when? (I'm just here to make the counter bot have to work today)

[echo karma]

Horse gun when

[worn rose]

When bugs fix

[runic gorge]

no

[cedar ore]

return of the lanchester is nice

felt strange being able to use it again

[obtuse sky]

Hi im new to the game why cant i hear anyone or anyone hear me when i try and talk?

[harsh egret]

Yes. It is more important than fixing comms, making the game run above 5 fps, and making the game stop crashing in 50% of matches. Priorities.

[cedar ore]

probably a bug, might need to check your VOIP connection in the audio settings

[storm merlin]

Guys is the tank change good and which tanks got smokes

[runic gorge]

just play rs1 😔

[cedar ore]

seems like its almost only heavies rn, the puma literally has them on the model but they dont work, tiger has them, firefly and panther do to, p4 and sherman 75 dont have it

[storm merlin]

ok thank you

[obtuse sky]

I have done that and i asked ai but for some reason it just isnt seeming to work

[cedar ore]

when you try to talk in game, does it have a little icon down the bottom left and your name next to it?

[obtuse sky]

It has the icon but not my name

[cedar ore]

because if so then it is working, people just arent talking lol

[final hull]

Hello people!
Come join us on experimental branch Europe #01 - Juno beach (Canadian Faction)!

[cedar ore]

possibly your microphone then, because that means it has a connection

[obtuse sky]

Okay thank you

[cedar ore]

if the VOIP wasnt connected you wouldnt be able to even enable your microphone, it would just not do anything

[covert elbow]

And by counter bot you mean Willie’s

[harsh egret]

Willie is bot confirmed

[obtuse sky]

I just checked on ps5 mic check and its working fine

[worn rose]

When are we getting a current gen upgrade

[covert elbow]

2068

[worn rose]

Remagen has the worst frame drops ive seen in my whole life on any Playstation game i literally cant even aim its so bad

[steel trout]

lol

runs pretty great on the old box

(sips tea)

[cedar ore]

the bren being held underneath the magazine is painful to see

the offhand supports it right where the casings are ejected

[haughty solar]

game crash when starting the branch

[manic mist]

lock half tracks so blueberries

only commander and squad lead can move them

[lost pumice]

does the exp branch only work for steam?

[cosmic pilot]

No

[final hull]

Mine too. Seems to be the starting arguments/launch settings. You can remove em while playing exp

[lost pumice]

can i get juno beach with epic or no? only on steam?

[wise tide]

Asking these people to do that is asking them to conjure flying pigs

Ain't happenin boss

[harsh egret]

I hope this is sarcasm, otherwise it is just a straight up lie. It literally is the worst just like buddy said. Unplayable unless you like aiming through a powerpoint presentation.

[wise tide]

I can never trust console players who say that stuff lol, only stock maps work barely.

[harsh egret]

It is always the people who have recently joined the server too and probably have played like 3 matches on OG maps.

And have zero frame of reference to actually know

Come see me after the honeymoon phase is over and the blinders come off. Reality sets in eventually.

[analog blade]

exp branches are steam only, already told you bro 😂 somebody cant wait to play the canucks

[lost pumice]

lol i know. i was hoping id get a different answer

i refuse to believe it

[analog blade]

I think they will release the actual update soon, maybe in two weeks from now

[lost pumice]

this is like Juno beach all over again expect im not allowed there this time

[wise tide]

2 more weeks

[lost pumice]

lol i just seen a post they got a server up with it now.

and the game is sitll like $50 on steam still its absurd

[uneven gust]

I like old school people

[wise tide]

Are you saying throw the dev team away?

[uneven gust]

These new age hippies corporate suck ups “you’ll own nothing and be happy” sheeple do my nut

[lost pumice]

im saying im cheap and dont wanna pay again just to play juno beach this one time

[wise tide]

Oh. Cuz thats what im saying. Lmaoo

[lost pumice]

that said if its less than two hours i can refund it riht cause its steam?

[uneven gust]

Refund HLL at this point

[analog blade]

lol just for the juno exp branch?

[lost pumice]

i got it for free on epic

[wise tide]

Thats even worse

[uneven gust]

Only reason I play is cause the people are interesting

[lost pumice]

the Canadians are there too right?

[analog blade]

yes sir

[uneven gust]

Eh?

[lost pumice]

then yes just for Juno beach

the boys yern for the beach

[wise tide]

And how long is this exp branch going to remain steam only? 2 weeks?

Another 2 weeks

[lost pumice]

It's fine. Ill just wait for the EU guys in TAW to run a match and take it out on them @analog blade

[analog blade]

just this weekend, and we dont know when the actual release of update 20 with juno beach is, but im guessing within two weeks or so

[wise tide]

Can a 5060 run HLL

[lost pumice]

Yes

[cosmic pilot]

Yes

[wise tide]

How well.....lol

[cosmic pilot]

My 4060 8GB runs hll at 60fps at 1440p

[lost pumice]

I run a 4060 and destroy people

[wise tide]

Interesting... i miss when I had a gaming rig. 🙁

[lost pumice]

Sometimes I single handedly lose the game too but thas not the 4060s fault

[rancid pecan]

Does someone know why after trying to join server the loading screen just keeps loading until eternity and not joining anything

[slate canopy]

Platform?

[rancid pecan]

Epic games pc

[slate canopy]

Do you have the game on an HDD or SSD?

[analog blade]

smoke launchers not working on the exp branch

[rancid pecan]

Nvm solved the problem firewall was blocking the game

[slate canopy]

Cool 👍

[rancid pecan]

Got 5060 stock runs the game on epic graphics with 120 - 150 fps

[lucid tusk]

Just got off a few games on the exp branch and boy oh boy do I feel a rant coming on. First off the map is fine, there's a few things I'd change but overall its fine. But where the absolute F***K do you people get off charging money for the base helmet with a net and a little bit of scrim? Theres over 10 unique cosmetics and you're seriously going to charge even more money for something that should be a basic unlock? Piss right off

[wise tide]

Wait they tried to charge for a helmet cosmetic? Lmaoooo

T17 must have massive student loans or something

[nimble ivy]

rip kyle busch the goat

[lucid tusk]

So there's the standard mk III right? bareass, nothing special, but the SAME helmet, with a net and scrim is part of one of two DLC packs launching with the map, for a faction with one map. I get that the Canadian airborne/dispatch rider/Commando skins are way more unique, but holy s**t give the people at least SOMETHING to unlock through gameplay

[thin lotus]

Anyone who is buying cosmetics is a sucker, and t17 know it

[wise tide]

Especially on HLL which is basically abandonware for consoles

[covert elbow]

Yea this has been getting more and more egregious but this is a line to far

It’s a subfaction, for a single map for the foreseeable future

[thin lotus]

It is blatantly obvious how little they care about it, do not fund their disinterest even more by buying their low effort cosmetics

[covert elbow]

This amount of DLC which looks like to be $20-25 is insane

This is basically just buying the faction in another game

[wise tide]

Who were the previous developers before t17? Can we bring them back?

[covert elbow]

They were arguably worse

[lucid tusk]

Hell no they had their own problems

[covert elbow]

It’s been bad

[dull quail]

Why is no one playing juno test branch

[lucid tusk]

I dont even think its lack of care with this, its just "How can we suck as much money as possible out of these people? I know, charge money for something that every other faction got free"

[lucid tusk]

I just got off, I can only play with 20 people for so long before I get bored

[dull quail]

i might have just played with you where you churchill

[thin lotus]

It's the last ditch effort to squeeze those who still play. They're not targeting new players with HLL1

[lucid tusk]

No no, they have 2 dev teams bro, seelow wont be the last map trust me bro, buy this Ushanka DLC

[thin lotus]

They've moved on to squeezing potential Vietnam sales by doing the same damn thing. FOMOing for low effort skins by preordering

[past vortex]

they are about to publish their next game :}

[thin lotus]

This community has no shortage of copium

[dull quail]

what game

[past vortex]

hunger - extraction game

[harsh egret]

Chum gets it. Be like Chum.

[past vortex]

pls dont :D

[thin lotus]

One of me is enough

[lucid tusk]

Napoleonic steampunk alt history looter extract shooter with crafting mechanics, definitely not a stagnant genre

[finite berry]

At the end of the day, they do it because they know people will buy it. Both sides kinda are at fault, the community buys it because T17 offers it and T17 offers it because they know the community will buy it.

[past vortex]

i think it looks good
not that i would want to play that genre but it looks good

[wise tide]

Do the devs even read this discord

[finite berry]

I thought the devs aren't even here?

[wise tide]

No wonder they dont allow cursing

[dull quail]

im just not hyped for vietnam tbh hopefully there will be a new ww2 tactical shooter before hll dies

[wise tide]

Community manager is

[finite berry]

He isn't a dev.

[lucid tusk]

The devs would never

[finite berry]

He is - as the name suggests - the community manager.

[wise tide]

Well then I guess not

[lucid tusk]

Oh sure it looks pretty, but it definitely wont be flavor of the month

[past vortex]

not sure.. the genre has its fans
might actually not flop

but who knows

[wise tide]

Red orchestra remastered when

[lucid tusk]

never

[nova pivot]

Yes?

[limpid marten]

You know dang well they didn't use bad words in ww2, M rated game btw

[wise tide]

Saaaaaay wise guy what's the big idea? You thick in the head or somethin'?

[silent beacon]

Is it common that there are no servers or players participating the experimental branch? I've been trying to join the past two experimental branch tests but each time I join there are like three servers and 10 people playing... 🙁 Same today for the Canadian update. It's not really exciting to support the testing if there's no one to test it with.

[past vortex]

yea thats always not used much

[oak current]

last exp branch update had some nice rounds

with 60-70ish people on a few juno beach rounds

[past vortex]

if someone organizeses one ,yea

[oak current]

but now people have seen juno, so interest is lower again. - not enough "wow shiny stuff" as that people install PTE or switch to exp.

[past vortex]

also: they dont take feedback anyway :D

[silent beacon]

Yeah that's sad, I guess it depends highly on the time of the weekend and if it's organizer by other players. Thanks guys 🙂

[worn rose]

Still no playtest for console haha theyre really hoping people just pre order cause they know its a flop

[nova pivot]

Patrick what are you doing in china!?!🙀

[finite berry]

That's the issue, people are pre-ordering

[versed hare]

Why are so many of you so negative about a game that hasn’t even released yet

You’re all sounding like the average call of duty player right now, have some faith -.-

[finite berry]

Because people are looking at legacy bugs from HLL and DLC-policies and thus doubt that HLLV will be any good

Probably fun to play, but not a good game on a more fundamental level, so to say

Especially the vets simply lost their faith a long time ago

@harsh egret you can probably word it better than me

[past vortex]

didnt you follow how they have been working until now?

[limpid marten]

You be new and on console, some be old and on pc

[versed hare]

I don’t see what console has to do with this tbh

[finite berry]

Oh boy, just wait until Deadset gets here lol

[versed hare]

I picked up the game a week ago at best so no I haven’t

Maybe to me it’s blind hope but being overly negative isn’t going to help anyone is it

[past vortex]

then dont assume people have no reason

[finite berry]

Console players have been reporting poor performance etc for quite along time

[finite berry]

You're probably still in the honeymoon phase, so to say

[finite berry]

And they're even less happy now because T17 at first they said there would be a console playtest for HLLV, but now they don't speak about that anymore

[harsh egret]

lol I got swamped at work. But yeah pretty much what Elise said (can't believe I am agreeing with his take)

[finite berry]

The CM recently adressed that without saying anything of substance, really

[finite berry]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/538055883075354637/1451353103554183169/Cat_handshake.jpg?ex=6a118d28&is=6a103ba8&hm=9acd4aae06ea6d34bc48080caa78b5bcf55dab475b100845ccf7944c9e3bd39f&=&format=webp

[versed hare]

I didn’t assume they had no reason? I said to not be so negative when you don’t know how something is going to turn out. It’s like ruining a good relationship because of bad stuff with bad exes in the past. What’s the point

[limpid marten]

Not sure how to describe how a console player might not be as invested in the world of game development as someone on pc

[finite berry]

Unlikely allies 🤝

[harsh egret]

That stops being valid after the 500th letdown. There comes a point where hopeium becomes toxic and unproductive to progress. I would even say it becomes enabling for bad behaviors and practices.

[versed hare]

I’m just an enjoyer of simplicity, PC’s are constantly troubleshooting of having to solve 50 problems with their pc they spend thousands on

[limpid marten]

Sure man I'm not hating, I'm just explaining how a new console player might not understand why old pc players have their doubts

[versed hare]

Like I said, I’m new here so I can’t exactly speak for everyone but if you just assume something is going to be negative off Rip then your hopes are already below ground level. At that point why play the games at all yk 🤷

[versed hare]

We won’t because we didn’t endure what you did but I always believe in being hopeful with something new until it’s proven to be a colossal fail

[harsh egret]

It isn't like ruining a relationship over what happened with an ex. Its the same relationship/developer in this case. This is more like finally leaving her after she got drunk and beat on you for 10 years and swearing she would change after every time. Eventually, walking away is the best course of action 👍

[versed hare]

Some people are pessimists and some are optimists

[versed hare]

But if that’s the case why are you still here? Why do you still play the game if you know you’ve fallen out of love with it?

[harsh egret]

I had hope once like you. Then I took a 7 millionth crash to the dashboard.

[versed hare]

I’ve had that with plenty of games, doesn’t mean I’m not hopeful for them

[harsh egret]

I don't play anymore. I retired like 7 months ago. I stay to see what happens and keep up with a clan I co-ran for years. I am invested.

[versed hare]

If you truly aren’t trusting in the game or the devs or even then what’s the point

[harsh egret]

Anyway enjoy the game if you do, but you want to know why some people are all out of faith so there is a very quick summary. I got work.

[finite berry]

To watch it crash and burn (if it does)?

[versed hare]

Then that makes you no better than the so called terrible devs

[finite berry]

In what way?

[versed hare]

If their negativity has let down so many people to the point of becoming hateful and now you’re just sitting around praying on somebodies downfall and negativity to come their way you’re no better. It’s as common as two negatives don’t make a positive

[finite berry]

Never said I do that

[nova pivot]

He doesn't even have the game

[finite berry]

I never played HLL WW2, but I'm curious to see how HLLV will turn out

And who knows, perhaps I'll get it. But I can totally understand why vets are frustrated with T17, especially console vets

[nova pivot]

Elise

I'm recruiting people to destroy Belgium, wanna join?

[past vortex]

do you have free pizza

[versed hare]

Holding grudges towards someone who is trying to show new things and changes potentially for the better is honestly pointless. Give it a chance and then if it’s bad. You tried and that’s that

Tf did begin do? (This time)

[finite berry]

sure

[nova pivot]

Yes after we are finished

[past vortex]

aw naw

[versed hare]

He said pizza first or no deal

[finite berry]

Again, people were where you are right now. They gave enough changes over the course of HLL's development (under two different managements by the way)

[nova pivot]

Yeah I know, I have eyes and a brain to descodify his message

[versed hare]

I was making a joke, lighten up before I throw a lamp at you

[nova pivot]

No, leave the lamp on the table, the glass could break and put me in the hospital

[versed hare]

As somebody who’s new I can’t relate to what people are feeling from the past but maybe I am just hopeful and ignorant to the past but I do believe in giving people a chance. The game could be a success and people love it or it flops and the people say the devs haven’t listened or changed. Then it’s justified

But I can understand people not wanting to give someone their 15th chance

[harsh egret]

Bingo

[finite berry]

Yeah, don't get me wrong, I don't judge you for being optimistic. I mean, I'm also somewhat optimistic for HLLV because I simply never experienced HLL's issues first-hand. But again, I can understand why people are frustrated.

[wise tide]

...why havent you played the game at all?

[finite berry]

I don't think I'd enjoy it after playing Squad 44 for 2,201 hours

[limpid marten]

https://tenor.com/view/john-c-reilly-steve-brule-bringo-gif-15976957497623524565

[wise tide]

Well...how do you know if you haven't tried?

Isn't squad 44 dying, so to speak?

[finite berry]

It's either dying or dead. For years according to people. And yet we still have at least one full server every day.

[finite berry]

Because it'd feel like a general downgrade compared to Squad 44 in regards to what I value for my personal fun (communication, historical accuracy).

[past vortex]

its not dead, it only smells funny

[finite berry]

I don't need to play it to know that people communicate less in HLL, play it more like Battlefield and that historical accuracy is all over the place in HLL

Especially in regards to the overabundance of (semi-)automatics on the battlefield

[wise tide]

I dont think thats a fair assessment. Even casual servers have awesome comms and people work together. The only garbage servers are, ironically, the console servers.

As for the historical aspect, cant help you there.

I give the game crap because its simply not optimized for my platform

[finite berry]

They can have awesome comms and people working together

In Squad 44, it's guaranteed to be higher, mainly to the fact that the game enforces it more

[wise tide]

There has not been one server without an XBOX tagged on it that wasn't people talking non stop and making calls, organizing node construction, etc.

[finite berry]

It's not like I'm not interested in the concept of HLL.

But I'm not interested in a ww2 tactical shooter that will feel like a downgrade in almost every way compared to my main tactical shooter

[wise tide]

But like....no offense but uh...why you here? Lol

[finite berry]

That's why I'm interested in HLLV; it's a different theatre

[finite berry]

Check my About me

[finite berry]

🤷‍♂️ Might be the case, doesn't apply to me anyway because I'm not on console

[wise tide]

Squad 44 is dead. You need to let go of its hand. I miss rising storm 2, but its time to call it bud.

This way, sir.

[finite berry]

If it's dead, why can I play it every day

Even on my own server sometimes if we manage to seed it in time

[wise tide]

Sir. Please dont resist. We are going to the identification room. One full server a day, means its dead. Im sorry.

Do we have any grief counselors here?

https://steamdb.info/app/736220/charts/

GOOD LAWD

I didnt know it was that bad

End of an era

[wintry thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/red-army-ww2-idi-i-smotri-come-and-see-ven-y-mira-gif-6524760163788292390

[wise tide]

Now if the devs move it to console....well...perhaps we can operate.

[finite berry]

Please don't

[wise tide]

Its the only way we can save it. Im sorry.

Right now, the body is dropping in temperature. Im afraid if the developers dont act fast, we may lose it all together.

[finite berry]

(People have been saying that since 2018)