mess-hall

[arctic rampart]

squads

[wind tendon]

It’s like serving a cake that’s nothing but liquid batter on the inside.

[novel geyser]

cough cough “platoons”

[jolly zealot]

Actually changes are good for the meta, but why buffing a tank in a try to make the game more accurate when you can destroy out of a panther with a greyhound its not a simulator XDD...

[covert elbow]

He’s not wrong

[jolly zealot]

It will make literally the axis better than its counter because breaks the balance we have now

[arctic rampart]

Recon Tanks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>

[stable dome]

The Stuart would literally glitch into the ground for months.

[covert elbow]

So it taking more would be realistic? Or less

[glass moth]

He can’t be wrong or right, he’s making a prediction on something that may or may not be true

[covert elbow]

It’s a long standing issue

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/mostly-they-mostly-come-at-night-aliens-alien-gif-4660568

[arctic rampart]

Yeah and tanks on rail tracks are still jumping around like Party Rock Anthem's playing.

[stable dome]

^

[covert elbow]

So the 5+ years of experience with HLL just because the game got a new coat of paint and some rewritten code?

[finite berry]

Changes making the game more accurate are very much welcome

[jolly zealot]

None(if you know what i mean in the real world even one stray bullet can kill youa), thus making the axis better than the allies in therms of gunplay

[glass moth]

What?

[arctic rampart]

AXIS AT NEEDS AN STG + ROCKET LAUNCHER LOADOUT

[novel geyser]

Vomits

[covert elbow]

Sorry I do not understand

[finite berry]

With scope

[covert elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/gold-ship-gold-ship-goldship-uma-musume-gif-152341959483515608

[arctic rampart]

-# I'm really hoping you guys know that was a reference to that comp guys suggestion, because he dislikes playing with a Kar whilst being Axis AT

[novel geyser]

Lmao

Nah guys give medic a g43

[covert elbow]

Oh Kek

Man. Imagine having to actually use the standard issue rifle in a historical game and not relegating it to a sniper because it’s a bolt action

I swear these guys heads would explode if they were forced to play historically

[novel geyser]

But, but muh m1 garand… m-must be.. b-balanced

[finite berry]

Reject automatics, embrace bolt-action superiority

[novel geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/fentcord-true-coyote-gif-2599436844608872721

[arctic rampart]

ngl that feeling of the first few kills in Sq44 with the bolties was absolute 🌄
-# peak

[novel geyser]

Hll love historical accuracy but would never ever actually want historical accuracy

[covert elbow]

They use it as a marketing term but never actually use it

[novel geyser]

I just want my lee enfields to be fast……..

[covert elbow]

I’ll never forgive them for Remagen

[novel geyser]

I want the bolt actions to not be needlessly slow

[arctic rampart]

I want kekw to be an emote in this Discord server

How did our main Floppa artist not make it happen is still one of the greatest mysteries of our time

[finite berry]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/538055883075354637/1465741326585827408/caption.gif

[finite berry]

It's kinda outrageous how successful this strategy was 😄

[arctic rampart]

I tried it some year or more back during the free weekend or week or something. I kind of liked it.
I had only like 1 or 2 main complaints, but those could've been my lack of exp

[finite berry]

One of which was lack of players?

[arctic rampart]

Just having those SQUAD-born VFX was REAAAALY nice

[arctic rampart]

No, I'm not a dented knob to complain about players if I'm sitting in a server full of them

I still hop on https://www.buildandshoot.com/servers/ from time to time and you can clearly see how popular that is

A good game is a good game, don't need some normies propping up numbers to play

It actually was regarding the pacing of a match. I can't really remember the mode, but essentially the "unlocked" territory for attackers meant that they can set up team-wide spawns significantly far into the map, essentially KO-ing the defenders if they didn't notice the flank taking place.

[novel geyser]

Make it look pretty, say its historically accurate
Have a bunch of youtubers glaze it saying its the most realistic thing ever, release on console
Ez win

No gameplay required

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/based-gigachad-chad-gif-23901955

[finite berry]

Did you only have to capture objectives or also blow up stuff?

[finite berry]

For real; it pains me how true that is

[arctic rampart]

Can't recall unfortunately

How to get moneyz:

Make generic shooter
Get Jack "Will glaze 4 cash" Frags to make a video
Release on console
Do 1 or 2 minor updates within 2 months
Everyone's past refund time
Dip w/o saying it

[covert elbow]

Dude the amount of times I see “this realistic shooter” and then being serious is sad

Like you don’t need to look deep at all to see the games easily solvable flaws that persist to this day

[novel geyser]

Video thumbnail of gun reload/inspect animation with big bold text saying “this game made me fart”

[finite berry]

Because if you also had to blow up stuff, that's Frontline. That gamemode still suffers from the issue that you described. If you only had to capture stuff, that was Offensive. But Offensive got overhauled last year into "Random Offensive" (objectives are randomised each match and the defender only can see them after the timer of the respective next objective ran out; while that timer is on, the defenders get a temporary hard spawn on that objective so they can man it).

Random Offensive greatly reduced the amount of cases where attackers just steamroll the defenders because they can't see all objectives from the beginning anymore

[covert elbow]

That sounds awesome

[finite berry]

Well, if they only play Rainbow Six Siege and Battlefield, HLL probably will appear like a realistic milsim to them 😄

[arctic rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1036120241366896691/1504575866372358154/image.png?ex=6a077cf8&is=6a062b78&hm=00e6389317c4ccf56080bbd61706933ab5962ff2b43883d4de7ae1d1c24cf580&

[novel geyser]

Yyyyyyyyyyup

[arctic rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1036120241366896691/1504575873414860840/image.png?ex=6a077cf9&is=6a062b79&hm=2d8bd8e06361b8f6858fc899b0eb112eae04970ce5f8293cd91897e98ea53c52&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1036120241366896691/1504575873922367508/image.png?ex=6a077cfa&is=6a062b7a&hm=a0acf3b16e9dc74fcab4e71d7c40155b98b762544b90e638968ba4cb1f296df9&

[novel geyser]

Every
Flipping
Thumbnail

[arctic rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1036120241366896691/1504575874198929550/image.png?ex=6a077cfa&is=6a062b7a&hm=86f7c804955454fd632759bdf580537827a48a384ca7db1eeca45f2cea65165b&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1036120241366896691/1504575874538672138/image.png?ex=6a077cfa&is=6a062b7a&hm=8ebe9cdd95eafbdccf1fdb8594b2f8148037a92b5699bef89b3c78b9539f1474&

Polarbear's gonna whoop my bum, but I had to prove that point to the normies reading this chat

[novel geyser]

I genuinely cant watch any video of a hardcore shooter

[arctic rampart]

This is like UK FPS youtuber slop

[finite berry]

I hate this type of thumbnail and title

[arctic rampart]

I can't be the only one that's noticed that the majority of the FPS youtubers that do that crap come from or close to the UK?

[turbid plaza]

The console recruitment page hasnt worked proper in days. The admins need to go and delete old posts so the thread can load.

[arctic rampart]

#1343089641489961001 This one?

[turbid plaza]

Yes

[arctic rampart]

Loads fine for me?

[turbid plaza]

Unless its just me but it freezes up hard and u cant scroll

Its loads the first few but try scrolling down

[arctic rampart]

Gotta' be you pal'. Works like usual for me.
Some of the images take a bit longer to load, but that's because every post is filled with some high quality image or gif

Yeah, I tried. Works fine

[turbid plaza]

Im not even clicking on one im just trying to scroll through the posts

[finite berry]

Another advantage is that Random Offensive now fully utilises the map. Prior, Offensive had like five different layers (like DrielOffensive01, DrielOffensive02 etc) that had their set of pre-set objectives. Those objectives always were the same (that often led to like 50% of a map being unused because there simply were no objectives there) and because they all were visible to attackers from the beginning, if the teams were unbalanced/defenders got overrun, attackers arrived at a new objective before the defenders. With Random Offensive, the game now generates each set of objectives on a map from a "pool" of (dozens! of) pre-placed objectives that are actually scattered all over the map. That leads to locations that prior pretty much never got played now being the centre of the action.

Random Offensive was a great change. Alas, like many other things, it came too late.

[arctic rampart]

I get what you mean, but again, I ain't having that issue. Others need to try as well then

[finite berry]

Can confirm; it's only like that on mobile for me, tho

Also seems to affect any forum

[turbid plaza]

Ya i use my phone for everything so could be that too

Never had that problem before figured it just got too loaded with posts

[finite berry]

No issue on PC, but on mobile, yep, it's bad

[novel geyser]

I didnt play much squad 44 when i installed it
But i did try out squads pve and some of the modded servers are actually quite fun

[arctic rampart]

Could be that on mobile it just can't load all the posts with their images + gifs attached.

[finite berry]

I assume the update is fu cked, it worked prior

[arctic rampart]

That's what they say about every Discord update 😄

[finite berry]

haha, true

[arctic rampart]

Should I bring up that cs 1.6 developer clip?

[finite berry]

Still gotta try Squad at some point

[worthy charm]

https://klipy.com/gifs/appu-appurajosh-22--k01KRM2H9F3RE06GBD0AAAZTTV0

[covert elbow]

Oh my god dude that sounds like everything I want right now in HLL offensive

[worthy charm]

Now release Wardogs, so I can stop sitting in 30m arma queues.

[finite berry]

And HLL's playercount is everything I want right now for Squad 44 🥲

[fringe mason]

Now to hop on the game and scream at my friends for 3 hours lol

[dawn summit]

guys nva mean national volks armee

[arctic rampart]

No, it means Nodarbinātības Valsts Aģentūra

[finite berry]

It's Nationale Volksarmee

You're butchering my beautiful language

[arctic rampart]

Back to Berlin furry

[finite berry]

Why furry :D

[novel geyser]

Everyone is a furry, some just havent come to terms with that reality yet

[silk igloo]

https://tenor.com/view/rorschach-dc-watchmen-men-get-arrested-dogs-get-put-down-dogs-are-put-down-gif-10608409696545689237

[tropic imp]

So am I looking at it wrong or is there not going to be an open beta for console?

[thin scarab]

No Open Beta for Console

[tropic imp]

Thats dumb, was really hoping to try it before it came out

[lavish ridge]

does the deluxe edition have a difference if its not pre bought

[thin scarab]

Expect it to run Bad on Console

[tropic imp]

Really? Thats not very reassuring 😂

[tropic imp]

If you pre buy you get the boat crew skin or something I think

[haughty solar]

buy a pc

[supple scaffold]

Anyone signed up for the HLL V: playtest and haven’t been accepted yet/received an email? Just double checking to see if I’ve done something wrong, been a While (I know it’s not guarantee)

[covert elbow]

God were really going pre order skins still huh…

Hope they just go on sale later on at least

[supple scaffold]

Hell yeah I’m getting the pre order skins and I feel it’s gonna be exclusive to pre orders only

[covert elbow]

Boooo

[wintry thistle]

There’s nothing wrong with pre order skins

[haughty solar]

20 more euros for some skins is crazy

[haughty solar]

that was for the closed beta

[river rover]

ℹ️ Adrenalin Edition 26.5.2 GPU Driver WHQLℹ️
https://www.amd.com/en/resources/support-articles/release-notes/RN-RAD-WIN-26-5-2.html

[cosmic pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/shut-up-gif-22409234

[covert elbow]

Mah it’s been a FOMO issue for a long time. Locking content away without any chance of seeing/ using it ever again is objectively bad

[wintry thistle]

It’s just some random nonsense skins

[past vortex]

idk, those who absolutly do want ALL skinds should buy it, everyone else doesnt care

[wintry thistle]

Not a fan of it being locked forever
But exclusive for a while is fine

[past vortex]

sometimes one of those skins is very good (gamplay wise, not style wise) but you cant even know before :}

[supple scaffold]

Yeah is it over or? Weren’t they doing some throughout May

[haughty solar]

The closed beta was last month. The open beta will be on 29th this month

[supple scaffold]

Pretty sure they were doing a few phases of beta testing.

[covert elbow]

It’s worse when it’s a historical game. Because this same issue has happened where people who enjoy history can’t properly portray the units in game because the skins have been locked away for ever, and if this pre-order skin is just what boat crews in Vietnam wore then I’d be mad if I was invested in the game

[covert elbow]

Me as well

[cursive gazelle]

Wait if i have thw deluxe version do i need to but the vietnam bundle?

[tight bridge]

has there been any updates on when the open beta starts? i heard a rumor there's supposed to be a open beta this month lmk if not, still patiently waiting for my invite

[cyan saddle]

Select Vietnam News in id:customize and then have a look in #sit-reps 😉

[tight bridge]

ty ty

[haughty solar]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-greetings-abu-aladdin-goodbye-gif-12868966

[cyan saddle]

Who's Abu

I only know Abue

[haughty solar]

[past vortex]

i have heard of adblue

[cyan saddle]

I hardly know her

[cedar wasp]

Reddit seems convinced HLL Vietnam is doomed; I’m looking forward to it though! Any else?

[nimble ivy]

i am

though ive only been playing ww2 for a few weeks\

[distant crown]

Not anymore the beta was rough and now consoles don’t even get a beta before launch. Looking more and more like a cheap cash grab for investors. Don’t pre order wait until launch and see how the first round of reviews go from the community.

[magic tinsel]

Opa, algum BR por aqui?
Sou novo no jogo e tô procurando algum grupo BR desse jogo.

[blissful viper]

I had quite a nice experience in the closed beta. i don’t know why everyone else did Not

I bought pre order already and look forward to the open beta

[timber sedge]

just lowkey pooped my pants

[spice hollow]

that’s fire wish i was there

[worthy charm]

Dont do that please

[finite berry]

Reddit moment

[gentle lintel]

Redditors also say that we landed on the moon, and that Anna Nicole married for love

[dusty bolt]

She didn’t ?

[obtuse dragon]

on one side i see why they're doom posting this early with hll:v, on the other side... the game isn't even out yet 😭

people should give the game like 2 weeks or a month or wait for the first patch before saying "it's over bro the game is cooked"

[honest hull]

gm

[nova pivot]

It's over bro the game is cooked

[obtuse dragon]

https://tenor.com/view/chud-chudjak-wojak-soyjak-marcvin5-gif-13903021270190271130

[tender sparrow]

Good morning everyone have a great day today 🙂

[dull quail]

So now we know release date of Vietnam but im kinda more excited for update 20 so hoping that's gonna be as soon too

[glossy echo]

How to fix failef to request directory

[pine ember]

HLL 1 is already cooked... HLL 2 wont be different if they continue like that

[glossy echo]

Please how to fix

Please

🙏

[daring lintel]

bold words coming out from someone behind a screen. BTW who should eliminate who? why do you think some has the right to live and consume resources and some aren't ? what dictates if certain group should live because they are "worthy" and other groups shouldn't? who made you the policeman of the planet?

[karmic oracle]

I'm curious about how HLL vietnam's performance optimization is going, and I wonder if my 5060ti 8GB card can run it smoothly🤔

I've pre-ordered the standard edition

[sturdy quarry]

why preorder if you have any concerns about how it will run?

[obtuse dragon]

well, it seems that the preorder version is cheaper than the actual game so

[finite berry]

How about you wait a few months until the day 1 bugs will be fixed and the game will go on discount?

[obtuse dragon]

Dawg there are day 1 hell let loose bugs that are still there 😭

[finite berry]

But not all of them lol

[obtuse dragon]

Still a ton of them

[finite berry]

So?

[sturdy quarry]

sounds like the devs are worth supporting with that track record

[finite berry]

The game undoubtedly will run better in December and have less bugs than in June

And it will be cheaper.

I don't get why you'd want to pre-order it

[obtuse dragon]

it's been years since the release of hll and the game still runs like a powerpoint on some maps

[finite berry]

Like, the game ain't running away xD You can still get it a few months after release

[finite berry]

Not the point I was making

[sturdy quarry]

these are arguments against preodering... right?

[obtuse dragon]

arguments against waiting a ton of time to actually have an opinion on the game

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/padme-4-panel-meme-attack-of-the-clones-padme-meme-anakin-padme-gif-6902972594242919448

[obtuse dragon]

tbh the only reason why i would preorder hll:v would be for the price, i am NOT waiting 8 babillion years just to see the price go from 30.000 clp to 25.000

[daring lintel]

If your 5060ti cant run it smoothly, then we are f*ed. most players have worse GPUs including me.

[broken shoal]

Hll vietnam doesnt look appealing tbh. I really hope it haves a workshop if it doesnt is ded on arrival

[finite berry]

Why would it be dead on arrival lol

[novel geyser]

Its not gonna have a workshop i can guarantee that

[solemn junco]

we had a beta not long ago that was in a very rough state, unplayable on my 3080.. also t17 has built a track record of dumping unfinished crap on players, it's not looking good

[finite berry]

And we have an army of hyped sheep that are already preordering the game

[solemn junco]

People never learn, they deserve all that they get

[finite berry]

We can definitely discuss about the game having a rough start

But dead on arrival? Never fu cking ever

[solemn junco]

Release it in an unplayable state and it may never recover, first impressions are important. Look at some other high profile hyped games that turned out garbage and never recovered, even after issues were fixed (often years down the line when everyone lost interest).

[finite berry]

That's not what dead on arrival means, tho

[daring lintel]

guys, I am confused, HLL Vietnam doesn't have system requirements on steam, also it's current price is 18 $ which is weird giving that when I asked AI it says it's 40$ !, anyway would my RTX 4050 run it ?? at least on medium?

[daring lintel]

I was about to buy itnow, but system requirements are holding me back, I love HLL, I really do, but this doesn't mean I am going to buy a minimum 1500$ laptop for it, HELL NO! 💩

[steady phoenix]

Hllv has good regional pricing surprisingly, 20 usd on steam here in south africa

[daring lintel]

in Egypt it's 18! wow that's smart and thoughtful of them, they shouldn't sell games in countries that people don't earn in USD or Euro for the same price in the privilaged world. Nice job!

[uneven gust]

Needs a delay

“A delayed game is eventually good, but a rushed game is forever bad. “

-Miyamoto

[uneven gust]

A finished game at launch in 2026 is like asking smackhead Steve to stop smoking crack, it won’t happen

[slender canyon]

Who else has concerns with Vietnam so far I've got loads sadly

Beta revealed a lot needed work. So the fact its releasing in a month?!

[novel geyser]

I love that quote and how some random guy made it up and attributed it to miyamoto

[slender canyon]

Is xbox even getting a beta as wellm

[finite berry]

I thought Sun Tzu said that

[slender canyon]

@slate canopy is xbox going to see a beta or only steam

[novel geyser]

Delay game good sometime
Bad game rush

• John video game

[slate canopy]

Read the post in #sit-reps

[daring lintel]

It has it already

[slender canyon]

I don't see any mention of a beta for CONSOLE. Only steam hence asking

[finite berry]

Only Steam

[slender canyon]

Where, when??

[uneven gust]

“The attempt on my life by the Jedi and SAS Mod team have left me scarred and deformed”

[finite berry]

Because there is no beta for console

[finite berry]

Never, he's wrong

[worthy charm]

This wisdom is truely ancient to most

Impressive that you give it away for free

[slender canyon]

Further proving the point console is them trying to make a money grab I reckon. And they don't want to beta is because it'll be bad and they'll loose sales... games have done this before

[finite berry]

Nah, probably because doing a console playtest isn't really necessary

[solemn junco]

You can play the alpha when the game comes out

[slender canyon]

Console runs entirely different to pc. Its vital console gets tested.

[fleet jacinth]

What's with all these servers with 60/100 players, and yet when you try to join. you get thrown into a queue. fk that

[slender canyon]

I'm a hell let loose fanatic. But I don't see this vietnam going well. The test people played had so many issues
Now they wanna release the game a month later...

[daring lintel]

sorry, there isn't, only HLL Vietnam preorder is on Xbox, We don't get beta tests cuz we ain't betas💪

[slender canyon]

Its gonna end up crap, I won't pre order and ima wait for the reviews.

Real reviews. Not people whining though lol

[finite berry]

No, it's not. Not as vital as PC testing

[slender canyon]

Console is also always more expensive to buy the game. So the fact we're getting palmed off also

[daring lintel]

Me too, bro I am very wried about optimization and insanely high system requirements, HLL is too demanding despite having 2015 graphics quality

[finite berry]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/538055883075354637/1504815047019597854/image.png?ex=6a085bb9&is=6a070a39&hm=105c61468c529eaaeff8090eadbb2221013092d56a3928cc5a217c413ed1d3bd&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

cc @arctic rampart

[arctic rampart]

Yes

I concur

[radiant thunder]

guys

can anyone help me identify a map from a medal clip pls

https://medal.tv/games/hell-let-loose/clips/mFaFjInE5M77scF5U?invite=cr-MSx6NXksMjk0NTIwNDcz&v=10

[slate canopy]

Carentan?

[radiant thunder]

is that the map[

[novel geyser]

I think that's purple heart lane

[uneven gust]

2015 graphics? We got Witcher 3 in 2015 and that game still looks amazing

[novel geyser]

Definitely purple heart lane

[radiant thunder]

Map name is called purple heart lane?

[novel geyser]

Yep

[uneven gust]

Yeah that’s just PHL

PHL is the last map I’d use to showcase HLL

[slender canyon]

Still fobbing us off without a test before you buy is dirty as hell

[radiant thunder]

how sure are you

[uneven gust]

Remember when betas were free for everyone and you had 2 weeks with a game

[novel geyser]

Very sure
Look on the maps let loose website and see if you can find that control point

[uneven gust]

Battlefield betas were always really good at that

Dice knows it’s playerbase

[radiant thunder]

That point is jourdan canal

[novel geyser]

Yep
Go on maps let loose and look for it on purple heart lane if you want to be sure

[finite berry]

So?

[radiant thunder]

so Carentan is wrong?

[novel geyser]

If it is purple heart yeah

I'm pretty certain it is purple heart

[daring lintel]

u r right, I wanted to say 2010, but I wanted to be as fair as possible, the grass looks horrible and theres that shiity noise on the screen

[finite berry]

You can't compare EA/Dice with T17

[uneven gust]

True

If HLL was under Dice we’d be thriving

I’d rather have Battlefront III over Vietnam

[radiant thunder]

ok ty

[finite berry]

That's cope

And honestly, I don't think y'all realise how good HLL is actually doing considering the niche it's set in

For a hardcore tactical shooter, it's doing extremely good

[uneven gust]

That’s not what coping is alright though

[finite berry]

Especially considering its age

[novel geyser]

Hell let loose's success continues to baffle me

[uneven gust]

Cope is where you are falling apart and keep telling people you’re alright

Actually that’s just part of being a man

[finite berry]

Lack of proper competition

[novel geyser]

True...

[uneven gust]

We live and bleed in the trenches

[finite berry]

Call it as you want, my statement is correct

Sure, if Dice/EA ran HLL, you'd have better support and a bigger teams to develop the game

And you'd have a bunch of other issues instead you'd complain about then

[uneven gust]

Let’s start by taking the comp focus group out of HLL’s game development

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-doggo-smiling-cute-pet-gif-17869715

[glossy echo]

Is 45 average good fps

I had it on mortain

Felt extremely sluggish imo

[plush cipher]

@fluid pawn can you confirm there's no console Beta 29th-1st?

[karmic oracle]

Will HLL vietnam support DLSS 4.5?

[thin scarab]

Thats the only reason the Game does good. If S44 Would me more noob friendly HLL Would not have as many Players. And on Console there is No competition for HLL

[finite berry]

Especially the latter is an important point

There is no alternative to HLL on console

[radiant thunder]

https://medal.tv/games/hell-let-loose/clips/mIlxOjjjQ-WPnPxcs?invite=cr-MSxmUWQsMjk0NTIwNDcz&v=12

So how does htis happpen guys

[cosmic pilot]

You and I can be friends

[thin scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/gohine-hohino-no-hohineee-gohineee-gif-17792172174678204487

[silk igloo]

if only they made modes that are a little more creative than "rush b"

not complicated, just different.

[daring lintel]

GUYS, CAN ANYONE TELLS ME PLZZ WHAT THE SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS FOR HLL VIETNAM ARE !!!!!😟 😩

[wispy tulip]

does anyone else keep getting "A NETWORK ERROR HAS OCCURED" ?

[slate canopy]

Don't yell 🙁

[wispy tulip]

oh no. i just wrote it as its stated in game. its in caps. didnt mean to be offensive

[slate canopy]

Make sure you are on an SSD and time synced with the Internet

And I meant the post above not you lol

[wispy tulip]

oh ok lol

[wispy tulip]

ill check time sync. thanks

[wispy tulip]

i tried syncing and it still doesnt work

[tender sparrow]

🙂

[green ferry]

Are bob the builder servers allowed

[cursive sparrow]

Vietnam dropped

Preorder ready

[tender sparrow]

Ama wait for Vietnam... Don't like what I saw so.... :/

[uneven gust]

“No preorders! No preorders, No Fookin, Pre Orders!”

-Thomas Shelby

[harsh egret]

If you think about it, the very concept of preordering any game is pretty asinine. Especially in an industry where quality and overall performance on launch is generally below any acceptable set of standards.

Imagine buying a car before you ever got to see, touch, or drive it. You would never do that, unless you're an idiot.

[finite berry]

true

[inland marsh]

curious is the update cycle for the vietnam game going to be as sluggish as hell let loose?

[harsh egret]

It would be foolish to expect anything better than what T17 has already consistently showed us with HLL.

[solemn junco]

Most people are idiots though. There is 0 reason to give T17 any benefit of the doubt, the way they handled HLL so far has been abysmal.

[harsh egret]

Facts

[covert elbow]

If it’s a proven game series like resident evil I have absolutely no issues with pre ordering because I know it will be a quality game and run well. But preordering games that haven’t proven themselves and have consistently been crappily made with no QA should be shunned

[covert elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/jojo-japan-forgive-gif-12790194733858828197

[harsh egret]

I don't think I've preordered a game since like 2012 or whenever CoD Ghosts came out because I had a clan I was running and was a big time CoD fanboy before they turned it into Fortnite

[worthy charm]

I miss these times

The anime was beyond supreme

[inland marsh]

last game i pre ordered was fallout 4 and that was regrettable

[covert elbow]

It’s like 9/10 times you should not preorder a game. Even long standing names have fallen off like Halo

Damn you Fortnite!

[inland marsh]

halo 4 pre order was another big F on my part

[worthy charm]

Nah but preodering is a bad idea most of the times

[covert elbow]

Steel ball run is amazing. I’m so mad that made the one episode but have nothing else for months

[harsh egret]

Just imagine if we all collectively agreed to stop preordering no matter what. We would within 1 year have an industry that holds themselves accountable and releases finished and tested products rather than relying on marketing schemes and sleazy practices to generate their revenue. A man can dream.

[inland marsh]

pure and utter slop is the average game on release then you got indie devs releasing bangers

[worthy charm]

Though as someone who bought SC Im maybe not the best person to council others on this.

[worthy charm]

Why did they even do that?

[covert elbow]

Hype I guess?

[worthy charm]

Heresy

[covert elbow]

Although it killed it completely for me. It’s an amazing first episode but a 6+ month wait is asinine. They should have just waited for weekly episodes

[solemn junco]

A lot of people seem to have no problem consuming trash and moving from the next hype train to the next.. FPS games have been dead to me since BF2, I think the first thing that came close was HLL, and then T17 took it over and I feel the same again back in the BF2 days with a studio that thinks they are smart and feel like the need to "widen the target audience"

[worthy charm]

Reminder that there are people who still pre order Fifa games.

[covert elbow]

God yea, that’s what killed HLL. We’ve had this idea that games need to reach a wider audience when that’s exactly the opposite of what needed to happen. Especially with hardcore shooters

[worthy charm]

Oh wait they call those games differently now do they?

[covert elbow]

I really wish they went with the original concept and expanded it cause BM sure didn’t and T17 just wants cash

[uneven gust]

“The people are tarded”

[harsh egret]

That's what always happens when the suits take over and run things, rather than passionate gamers making a game by gamers for gamers.

That is why indie games are rocking lately. We can at least feel the soul put into the craft.

[uneven gust]

You know what else is asinine and stupid, being able to blow a guys head apart with a trench shotty and not being able to swear in the official server

[covert elbow]

Spending 45 million to much will do that to you

[uneven gust]

“Blow apart Bodies, sing in German, but no swearing”

“Swearing is too far!”

[harsh egret]

I have a conspiracy theory that AI has been making games and movies for a while. Like over 10 years. The stuff we get to play around with today is old obsolete stuff they can repackage and market as new tech.

Tin foil hat proudly on my head on this

[uneven gust]

No it’s not AI….

[harsh egret]

lol

[uneven gust]

It’s Mossads finest

[harsh egret]

based

[worthy charm]

My god

Can we like please not be like this

[covert elbow]

Don’t remind me that the gore in this game also needs work….

[worthy charm]

frfr

[fringe knoll]

Guys am I the only one that thinks that for HLL Vietnam, it would be AWESOME to have animals like crocodiles, snakes and others to make the map more alive and a bit funnier

[worthy charm]

Wrong chat and server buddy

[fringe knoll]

Liké the new boats could get surrounded by crocodiles it would be good asf

[uneven gust]

Kickstart my heart buts it’s Germany in 2039:

[worthy charm]

You wont find positive people in this server

[worthy charm]

Sir please

though that date is really bad

[uneven gust]

Germans look pretty happy to me in those war-time photos

[worthy charm]

Also its not even close to enough time

[uneven gust]

1939-45

So you don’t believe the history books?

You’re one of us already

[worthy charm]

shu

[uneven gust]

Teh official story

[solemn junco]

Wir haben das nicht gewusst

[uneven gust]

I hope we get Berlin with volkssturm volunteers and a bicycle

1 manpower for 1 bicycle 😂

Grandfather pulling up with a stolen PPSH and a bicycle

[covert elbow]

MAN and a German ostfront subfaction!

[harsh egret]

I mean you can't tell me the Star Wars sequel trilogy was written by a human, let alone a Star Wars fan 😂

Just total garbage but who cares. The people will buy in.

[uneven gust]

Utter rubbish films

[wintry thistle]

https://i.makeagif.com/media/9-06-2023/kqa3Jh.gif

[uneven gust]

Yes!

[finite berry]

If they don't grow, they'll always stay small

Also, I have never pre-ordered a game so far :D

[real parrot]

I can only play on one server at a time, so I don't care if there are 1000 people playing 100 thousand. But I do care that the people playing do it well, using mic and comunicating

[silk igloo]

and then the game becomes very sweaty when everyone knows what they're doing. there is no escape

well, there's the sweetspot where people dont know ridiculous MG spots and so on

[worthy charm]

So its like the arma server I have played over the last week.

That doesnt sound to bad tbh

[worthy charm]

Prince Paul wisdom always good to see

[harsh egret]

Games getting sweaty isn't the problem by itself, but when the lesser skilled figure out they can't keep up so then the hacking and cronus/modding starts getting crazy, that's when it gets lame.

[real parrot]

There is people that will never get that good, most actually. People just repeat the same mechanical mistakes until reaching level 500

I have only seen one level 500 that actually looked like one

[harsh egret]

I mean when have levels ever been representative of someone's skill? At a certain point, everyone hits their ceiling. The levels that high just means they play a lot and don't see the sun.

Or sat in Bob the Builder servers a lot

[real parrot]

levels are an indicator of experience

[harsh egret]

Right, which doesnt always mean more gun skill or IQ

[real parrot]

So seing a high level playing badly just reinforce my point, they repeat the same mistakes and doesnt ñearn

Also IQ is just not a real metric

[warm girder]

What is the end goal of this argument

[silk igloo]

total nuclear annihilation

[real parrot]

Invading Gibraltar

[warm girder]

Anyways, HLLV anyone confident that it’s actually going to release will mid June? 😭

[real parrot]

I'm confident I won't be playing V

[harsh egret]

Same

[warm girder]

The devs are probably crying themselves every night to sleep knowing the release date is June 18th so the C-suite can bump those Q2 numbers up

[silk igloo]

rightful bri'ish clay

[warm girder]

Because they’re going to get the brunt of the complaints and anger directed towards them ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[real parrot]

The dev*

[warm girder]

Dev singular? 🥀

[glad parrot]

Any word of them actually coming out and saying why there’s no console beta

[real parrot]

Probably one guy and some Claude type shi

[harsh egret]

They have ChatGPT ready and waiting to deflect and distract. They aren't worried.

[glad parrot]

Or are they gonna do what they usually do and disappear and not even acknowledge anything

[real parrot]

I just wanna play Sand

[warm girder]

I bet because it runs poorly. They literally cannot bs excuses this time around as they built the game from the ground up for PC and console. They should be able to do what PC does and vice versa

[harsh egret]

Oh, they will. Watch.

They will continue being exactly who they've shown to be

[glad parrot]

Where are you Ben?

We need answers

Adamant he’s definitely an AI bot. Seems like he’s rarely here

[harsh egret]

And a percentage will be upset at it, while another percentage will gaslight them and say, "Give them a chance!" like the same song and dance we've had on this game for years.

[glad parrot]

Prime example of that was yesterday in console chat

Guy said he didn’t have issues. Turns out he hadn’t even played remagen or Stalingrad yet

[harsh egret]

Or my favorite when the PC crowd tells us to buy a better rig, even though the game is marketed and sold directly to run on xbox/ps5.

But when it doesn't do that, somehow I am toxic for suggesting that it should. That's where we are these days.

[little vigil]

Buy a better rig

I suspect they expect the open beta to be closer to an actual beta and the PC audience is just more likely to be kind to that, also probably easier to support just the single experience

[little vigil]

AFAICT this is actually built off the HLL code base and actually isn't a ground up rebuild

[safe moat]

Everyone ready for Vietnam and for the comp side to die? Gonna miss HLL 🪦

[covert elbow]

That’s what they said was the case

The game is HLL but some of the code has been ironed out

[little vigil]

yea, that explains why a lot of the core hLL problems still exist there

although also community insistence likely plays a role too

[safe moat]

They don’t care as long as you’re pumping money into the game and getting casuals playing. Comp side is gonna crumble smh

https://tenor.com/view/sinking-salute-3-lads-boat-gif-4714213853319836924

[arctic rampart]

Just like it does with every update

[little vigil]

I mostly dgaf about comp but do care about not having really bad gameplay loops

[nimble ivy]

there is comp?

[covert elbow]

What do you mean

[covert elbow]

Same

[karmic wharf]

why do you say it will die?

[nimble ivy]

nah trust it will get better...maybe

[safe moat]

Comp leagues are going to Vietnam. It’s too early to start comp on a game that’s fresh out. Hence why on other fps games when they bring out new characters/maps/guns it’s not added into the ranked mode for at least a month so it can get balanced. Don’t know how they’re gonna make sure everything is balanced when they’re looking to start it soon as the game drops. Comp scene for the base game doesn’t look promising to stick around to continue leagues. Just a very mixed opinions across the comp scene

[karmic wharf]

most of the comp teams are big clans though. So I think they can weather the storm of a dicey launch. Comparing it to other FPS I don’t know if that’s fair. Like halo for example you play with three guys and if the game sucks, you just go play another game. But with hell that loose, you have huge communities that are all based around this style of game.

[little vigil]

Players, once experiencing a system, then hold that system to be "key to the game" even if the system is sucks and is bad for the gameplay experience.

[karmic wharf]

I think also there’s so much map learning to be done all the comp guys are going to want to get in and get reps even if it’s not polished yet

[safe moat]

You gotta remember everyone in the comp scene has to buy the game for their team to transition over and I don’t think everyone is gonna be able to do that straight away… gonna tear comp teams apart and especially if a portion of a comp team dislike Vietnam and prefer the base game it’s gonna ruin comp

[little vigil]

So like run speed used to be faster and BM reduced it and that reduction became the new baseline. So once BM attempted to push run speed back up later the newer players railed against it as "changing the nature of the game"

[karmic wharf]

there will definitely be a huge shake up.

and probably dicy. but it wont be destroyed.

[little vigil]

You can also see that with the damage model which used to be less OHK focused but a patch + sale cemented OHK as the "standard" and later changes to bring it back to how it used to be was met with players being unhappy that "this isn't HLL anymore" despite HLL originally not being so lethal

[karmic wharf]

to think people are still playing WW2 comp now its a niche hard core group

[little vigil]

essentially gameplay anchors that prevent the design from becoming better becuase you get review bombed by a segment of players who have an idea of what the game is. Even if that idea isn't accurate

Is this Plato's Cave?

[karmic wharf]

I played the play test. Felt like hell let loose to me.

[devout prism]

hey i got playtest invite signed nda didnt get any follow up

[safe moat]

Like say hypothetically all 7CAVs best shooters/players dislike Vietnam and rather play the base game but the lower skilled players like Vietnam how is that gonna pan out for a clan? Especially if the leadership prefers the base game? Are they gonna split the comp teams and indirectly ruin 49s? It’s messed up honestly, good luck to T17 cause they’re gonna need it.

[karmic wharf]

I think we’re probably 75% for Vietnam regardless. The influx of new players or people coming back to hell let loose from years ago is going to fill ranks.

also, cross play is huge because the comp scene is no longer split

and we’ve all been preparing for a year to buy it

especially being that we’ve all been playing a game for five years that didn’t cost any extra money lol

[little vigil]

how does crossplay even work? All the video of HLL console play looks hilarious

[safe moat]

Yeah I’m just skeptical of it all I honestly don’t think it’s gonna pan out how everyone thinks. just a kick in the balls that it’s coming out before Summit finishes…

[little vigil]

Its like everyone is playing QWOP

[karmic wharf]

yeah, the fact that they’re different games definitely helps with that. Even if I still had to do some stuff in WW2 in the short term I will take time out of other games for Vietnam

I think there’s a lot more people. In fact I know there’s a lot more people in the general hell let loose community that haven’t been playing that will come back for the new title.

[safe moat]

Well I’m glad the lower div teams in comp are excited for this maybe you casuals can keep the comp side running

[karmic wharf]

yeah, for us it’s a huge opportunity to recruit and start a comp team again.

and we have guys leaving arma to join

regardless of how rocky it is to start, unless the game completely fails, there’s gonna be a huge influx of new players to recruit into comp ranks

[safe moat]

A lot of div 1 players are very skeptical of this so dunno how enjoyable comp is when it’s filled with lower div teams…

[karmic wharf]

dude, low div 30s is the best. We have no idea what’s going on. All kinds of crazy stuff happens. lol

you guys are up there fighting over 10 m for an hour

[safe moat]

Well whatever floats your boat cause in my opinion that sounds hella boring 😂

Imagine the World Cup and all international football teams were filled with Sunday league players that’s what it seems like to me 😂

[covert elbow]

Oh I get you. Yea it’s a big issue that HLL has a lot of gameplay flaws but people ignore it for some reason

[safe moat]

All the gear with no idea 😂

[karmic wharf]

its more like per wee soccer with 12 goals. compared to nil nil pro lol

[little vigil]

is sniper artillery meta still a huge thing?

[karmic wharf]

Watch our match from earlier this year that Smithers casted. 30s consol. it was insane back-and-forth.

freaking fun as hell, man

[safe moat]

That’s because both teams making constant mistakes 😂

[karmic wharf]

when is Summit over? I thought summer was kind of a slow season for comp anyways.

[dusty sky]

We in the muthafkn suburbs wit it... baaa bee ba RAH. Ayo terry what the fk going on!?

[karmic wharf]

yeah, exactly. It’s fun as hell though.

[safe moat]

July

[karmic wharf]

it’s hard to build a comp team man

it really is a different game

it’s difficult to get enough guys who can read the map and respond well enough without instruction. Skills is never the problem. But good SLs take a long time to train.

[karmic wharf]

when is next season supposed to start?

[real parrot]

comp in hll is run by the community, with the most support of T17 being allowing it

That is the main difference.
Vietnam is not a even a playable game, let alone comp ready

[karmic wharf]

i dont think its fair to prejudge the launch

give them the day to prove you wrong

[real parrot]

Judging by not only the performance but the system itself, its Hll all over again but worse

Repeating the same errors and adding more on the mix

Hell no I'm not touching that

[karmic wharf]

well thats fair to wait. im just saying let them have a chance.

even if its from afar

[real parrot]

I will not, Ima just wait for the game I like to drop and once it does I'm done with hll

[karmic wharf]

everyone trashed crimson desert at launch. i waited two weeks because i was busy and i didn’t have a single issue

[real parrot]

I only heard good things about crimson desert

[karmic wharf]

everyone was panicking over the controls day one

The friggin stock dropped 30%

honestly, I have a ton of fun with the current game. Issues and all. So if they pretty much hold the course and give me a new area of operation and a bunch of new players join, I’m gonna be super pumped. Definitely worth $40.

[covert elbow]

The beta and HLL 1 are infamously horrid to run and play. How is this going to be any different

[haughty geode]

Can we please ban these 15 year olds that always wanna do SS roleplay from this server?

[cosmic pilot]

Lead from the top down

[karmic wharf]

agreed. its just difficult for commander to micro manage 15 OPs

[pine ember]

Will never happen because T17 cares more about the money those guys are willing to pay

[harsh egret]

Idk the SS groups and actual party sympathizer people get run out of town pretty quickly from what I've seen.

[dusty sky]

Any mods here? I want to say some gamer words IRL. But I can't. So can I write them down for you all to read?

[haughty geode]

I also meant those kind of people that get angry like a 10 year old when you point out that the game doesnt need the 5th larper uniform which is used for obvious reasons in over 80% of the cases...

[scenic imp]

whats everyones opinion on the new game cant decied if to pre order or not

[dusty sky]

Just wait. Ive heard mixed reviews

I would say just buy it but with HLL not having a lot of players I would wait. People might stick with the original if the new one isn't good

[nova pivot]

Are you 50% bird and 50% dog? Or there is a dominant side ?

[dusty sky]

I'm like a bird I wanna fly away ... I don't know where my home is. But I got that dog in me

@nova pivot

[nova pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/what-surprised-gif-25739412

[little vigil]

i mean honestly just wait for like a %50 off sale. HLL goes on sale often and aggresively to keep positive cash flow. No reason to think that HLL:V won't be the same

[cyan saddle]

HLL is an 8(?) year old game though

[worthy charm]

5 if you count of release

[cyan saddle]

It would be atypical for HLLV to immediately be discounted to the same degree as HLL

[fervent pier]

anyome wanna armor?

[worthy charm]

And the KS was in 2017... which would make it even older

[worthy charm]

#pc-looking-for-unit

[visual bramble]

Where can I play the beta on Xbox ?

[finite berry]

You can't

[wispy tulip]

anyone else getting error saying "network error has occured" ?

[daring lintel]

HLL ultimate edition is 75% off on XBOX, it's 2$ in my country right now

[little vigil]

HLL was doing 20% off sales within 2-3 months of releaes and within less than a year 25% off. Although the actual price of the game was lower at that time. IIRC $30

Since going to $50 its been consistent and regular 50% drops

[nimble ivy]

nice

[little vigil]

If you wait ~3 months you will get the game for like 20-40% off depending on how slaes go

[nimble ivy]

i think i payed 16 for hll ww2 a couple weeks ago

[little vigil]

Vietnam is retailing for $40 so if you wait a couple months you'll get it for between $30 and $25 and have a better experience

[nimble ivy]

i signed up for the beta. i dont expect ill get in since im like level 35

[little vigil]

is it based on your level in hLL or something?

[slate canopy]

It was not

It was a variety of levels and experience.

Could be people who have a multitude of hours or very few or none.

Also was not first come first serve.

[nimble ivy]

ah okok

so its kinda like luck of the draw?

[nimble ivy]

i thought it might have been but i guess not

[foggy flame]

Hi, will there be cross plateform on Hell let loose Vietnam ?

[oak current]

think they picked people with 0 HLL epxerience, some HLL experience and a ton of HLL experience - just to get all kinds of types in

[nimble ivy]

is there cross plat on hll ww2?

[nimble ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/hell-let-loose-hll-gif-13477424995620063388

[oak current]

not on regular HLL, but they planned full-crossplattform stuff for HLLV

[nimble ivy]

sick

i tried playing with a controller. man that shiz is hard

[foggy flame]

There is no cross plateform on Hell let loose WW2

[nimble ivy]

that sucsk

[foggy flame]

But I ask Chatgpt if Hell let loose Vietnam will have a cross plateform and he says yes

[undone pivot]

im lvl 200 and i deserve hll vietnam for free :)

i played the playtest too

[foggy flame]

The whole game is hard 🤣

[glossy echo]

On controller

[vital siren]

Alguien en español?

[worn rose]

How about a battle royale mode

I just got 692 points 69 kills not even kidding bro

[acoustic ginkgo]

wait so if i buy the Deluxe versione of hll Vietnam i get all the things like anzac or green berets?

[oak current]

*outfit, - but yes

ANZAC & NVA Uniform Pack (Q3 2026)

Green Berets & Navy SEALs Uniform Pack (Q4 2026)

[covert elbow]

Wait the ANZAC’s are going to be uniforms??? wtf?

[nova pivot]

I told you they were listed as battlefield supplies

[covert elbow]

I’m still shocked

[worn rose]

Add weapon pickups or like a hidden loadout you can find

And why aren't there any mounted machine guns

[lost jewel]

just bought the gamed

[rough scarab]

Whats the mess hall? Is this the main/general chat of the server?

[slate canopy]

IT's supposed to be about the game.

we have #off-topic-mess-hall if you want to talk about other stuff

[rough scarab]

Then what's the main channel?

[rough scarab]

Says no access 😢

[finite berry]

id:customize

[covert elbow]

Picking up your own factions weapons could be nice. But not enemy

[slate canopy]

Gotta get the offtopic role

[limpid marten]

Any hot gamergirls online rite now btw??

[covert elbow]

Sorry, I’m to busy doing your mom rn

[limpid marten]

Moderators please ban for bullying

[covert elbow]

I bring to much to the table so I can’t be banned

[limpid marten]

Yeah like bullying and a negative attitude

Also possibly racist

[slate canopy]

Who cares?

[covert elbow]

I am. Race cars are cool

[slate canopy]

dude 🙁 that's not nice...

[finite berry]

Yes, me

[limpid marten]

If you'd read between the lines there miss moderator you'd possibly find some humor in the comment

[limpid marten]

Damn wassup

We both play the loose huh wow so much in common

[finite berry]

Yes, we absolutely both play HLL

So much in common already

[slate canopy]

https://giphy.com/gifs/lol-laughing-hehe-Tq2tPTrQANKfK

[covert elbow]

Sorry, I'm not nice to obvious trolls. If they want to get weird im going weirder

[limpid marten]

Understandable, this is a serious chat after all.

The slightest hint of sarcasm or comedy is obviously a troll and must be dealt with as such.

[covert elbow]

Sorry, not troll

"A weirdo who thinks saying what he's saying isnt creepy as hell"

[finite berry]

I don't get either side

The gamergirls joke is neither very funny nor original, but it isn't trolling or creepy either

[covert elbow]

It's definitly creepy

[finite berry]

I disagree

[limpid marten]

It's a stupid dry joke of a comment but you'll always find someone who's gonna feel offended and make it about themselves

[finite berry]

If he was for real, then it'd be creepy

[wintry socket]

Hello where are the Vietnam open beta

[limpid marten]

My god is this man asking for hot gamergirls???

[finite berry]

But it's so obviously just a (bad) joke that it loses all creepiness

[finite berry]

Didn't start yet

[slate canopy]

Check #sit-reps for the update

[worn rose]

Nah I meant loose weapons laying around that have a spawn cooldown

Like a machine gun in a bunker you can pick up that spawns every 5 minutes or so

Or a weapons truck where you can change your weapon

Game needs more vehicles like small cars, stationary machine guns and weapons laying around on the map you can pick up

[covert elbow]

Yea I'd honeslty prefer player made emplacements honeestly

[slate canopy]

You have another customer

[echo karma]

Ppl big mad on reddit lmao

[covert elbow]

How so?

[echo karma]

No open beta for console on V

Plus game releasing so early cuz gta6

So hll fixxen to get abandoned my guess

[karmic oracle]

[echo karma]

In terms of content it's fleshed out. They're not gonna be able to work on both at the same time.

[worn rose]

Half of the HLL player base is gonna buy Vietnam and half will stay and then both games are gonna be dead lol

[echo karma]

Yeah majority of it is console. Imma wait till a free weekend it will inevitably have cuz it won't hit the numbers they wanted too

We saw what 2 maps at steam alpha? Plus a bunch of issues. Kinda weak launch imo

Now if it launched into EA at say 20$ yeah but Sony hates EA so won't happen

[covert elbow]

Oh yea that’s complete bullcrap. Especially with how bad HLL’s console performance is

[echo karma]

Sony will do an open beta but they don't care for pts stuff. Or EA games too. And an open beta for 3 days on console is a joke. Why even have an open beta basicly

They could xbox insider stuff but hassle for them I'd reckon. Hope performance is good. Subnotica2 performance imo is great for ue5

[fair robin]

We really got this excited and waited this long for a 3 day beta 😆

[distant valley]

If u tk and get a 10 sec penalty is that yhe punishemtn if the victum decides?

[slate canopy]

There is an automatic 10 second I believe and if they say yes it's an additional 10, I THINK. NOT 100% on that

[bronze tree]

I think its 10sec pen no matter what if you tk, thats what ive gathered from plenty if tks

[verbal mica]

important question: is HHLV gonna have free look?

[elfin kayak]

Anyone know why I am not able to post a recruitment link? None of the rules say I shouldn’t be able to. I joined just to do that. Any suggestions

[daring lintel]

The old HLL needs disperately some updates and optimization otherwise sucg amazing game gonna die off.

[novel geyser]

Requirement link?

[elfin kayak]

Recruitment, typo

For a console clan

The form channel says I don’t have permission to post, yet nothing would indicate why I wouldn’t be able to

[novel geyser]

Not sure
Might need a certain amount of activity in the server first

[arctic rampart]

You probably need the Divisions role. Just make a ticket or something and ask for it, providing evidence that you're a clan leader and/or admin as asked by the rules

[worthy charm]

Nooooooooooo

Thats not how it works 😭

#division-rules explains it

[nimble ivy]

Domain expansion, bombing run in the middle of no where

[arctic rampart]

No it doesn't

I read over it before even mentioning the damn thing. It doesn't list out what is the specific thing that permits you writing access in the channel. Judging by everyone that posts there, the only similarity is that they have the division role given to them, unlike all other people. On top of that the role isn't assignable via the public access roles.

[worthy charm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1320450047002939428/1433798796659134534/attachment.gif

[arctic rampart]

So you're saying you don't need the role to write there?

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/gritito-gif-17274376822241272426

[arctic rampart]

Herr, you're actually pissing me off

[past veldt]

I wasn't aware Solid is legally blind

[worthy charm]

Im saying **do not make a modmail for the role **, you can just do . Divagree (without the space)

[past veldt]

Amazing that you can play video games with modern technology despite your disabilities

[arctic rampart]

Then why tf didn't you just say that 1 line at the start of this conversation?

[rare drift]

I wonder if there's gonna be a Pacific Expansion

[worthy charm]

I could say stuff now

But I prefer not to

[tall kettle]

https://i.imgur.com/oqjthtn.png

[arctic rampart]

Could've legit just cropped that one line out and posted it here

[rare drift]

I knew it ;D

[arctic rampart]

-# I would argue it shouldn't be with the rest of the bulletpoints, but you're gonna chew my butt out for that

[worthy charm]

Im gonna chew of the other side

[arctic rampart]

😮 すごい！

[topaz lodge]

https://giphy.com/gifs/sabaton-music-video-metal-astUrKe8ELmgYyIlxk

[finite berry]

Nah

[spice sandal]

I can't believe Vietnam is launching 2 days after I leave for basic training for the military 🥲

[haughty solar]

https://tenor.com/view/yoda-star-wars-gif-8082512327522701549

[pine ember]

what military?

[daring lintel]

I have been there, bro !. Stay strong 💪

[spice sandal]

US air force

[spice sandal]

Thanks man, I'm happy to get it over with. I've been in the air guard for the last 6 months waiting training. It'll be kinda funny doing it now at 24

[pine ember]

Pilot?

[daring lintel]

US military !!!

[rough scarab]

Do you guys think that HLL will die out when Vietnam releases?

[glossy echo]

No

[finite berry]

No

[spice sandal]

Firefighter

[worthy charm]

No

[gentle lintel]

No

[naive brook]

Very unlikely

[ocean sage]

The player base might split slightly

But not completely

There's been very good advertising apparently for HLL Vietnam so you'll get a huge amount of new players coming who haven't touched the series before

There was some colleagues of mine who I think heard about it through tik tok

[rough scarab]

Oh that's great

[pine ember]

Both games will die sooner or later

[finite berry]

Nah; for HLLV, we don't know yet how well it will do; and HLL will also survive, and be it just with a relatively small core community

[ocean sage]

Hopefully the Oceanic community survives then
Its always the first to die off given the smaller player base than Europe, Asia and the Americas

[finite berry]

That's true

[pine ember]

Both will die sooner or later, even if we are talking about something like 2080

[finite berry]

sooner or later
2080
:D

[acoustic ginkgo]

but if i buy hll Vietnam Deluxe does it buy for me automatically also the basic game

[arctic rampart]

Like you can't be a real person

No way, you're legit asking that

[acoustic ginkgo]

I'm new in the game

[acoustic ginkgo]

I'm not gonna spend 60 euros before not being sure

[finite berry]

Yes, it does

[slate canopy]

Deluxe includes the base game lol

[acoustic ginkgo]

oh ok thanks

[slate canopy]

You are just paying more for some DLCs which are just cosmetic

[acoustic ginkgo]

very thanks

[slate canopy]

Also hi from work

[marble edge]

When is Juno beach releasing?

[glossy echo]

I don't know

[pine ember]

Its Juno beach so it releases in June

[marble edge]

https://tenor.com/view/lil-yachty-drake-gif-21712801

[worn rose]

Yup that's what's going to happen

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/duck-duckling-no-no-way-i-dont-agree-gif-4243311

[worn rose]

https://tenor.com/view/its-almost-guaranteed-to-happen-adam-engvid-it-definitely-will-happen-it-will-happen-for-sure-gif-25783471

They were like "oh well can't fix simple things like the leader board not working, quick play not working, dismiss button not working. Oh well let's make a new game"

[finite berry]

You really think it went like that

[worn rose]

I literally stopped playing this game for almost a year just came back 2 weeks ago and see quickplay completely broken while it used to work fine and same for the dismiss button its just gone lmfao

How do you make a game worse instead of improving it? Im 100% NOT buying Vietnam

[finite berry]

Code issues, I guess

Especially UE4 code can be random as fu ck

[worn rose]

And none of the devs can be bothered to fix it yea let's buy vietnam

[finite berry]

Never said that; all I'm saying is that "oh just fix that" often is not as easy as people think it is

[worn rose]

I feel like it shouldn't be difficult to make the leaderboard highlight your own stats immediately instead of some random dude you don't know

Or it moving on it's own when I'm trying to scroll down

[finite berry]

Yep, you feel like it shouldn't be difficult

Doesn't mean it isn't difficult

Not even trying to be a smart-as s here, but often it really isn't that easy

Not saying that T17 has done a good job on fixing those bugs, don't get me wrong lol

[rough forge]

i want HLL indian servers :(

cant play on 200 ping with germany speaking players

[worn rose]

Yeah you can say that because instead of fixing it they made more bugs

Especially when you have former Playstation employees on your team you should be able to fix some bugs and not expand them lmao

[finite berry]

You sound like you think they added those on purpose lol

[rough forge]

HLL vietnam sounds pretty cool

i wonder if people will play fortunate son while riding the helis

i wonder if they will also add napalms

[wintry thistle]

No they wouldn’t

[rough forge]

Awww 🥀

[worn rose]

That's like saying they don't add floating props to new maps on purpose. But if you double or triple check what you're doing those problems don't happen

[finite berry]

They do still happen

I can guarantee they can and will still happen

I'm a playtester and I've seen devs change something about trucks exploding and their models properly despawning and all of a sudden the player UI was broken. Both things aren't related at all, and yet the devs working on the former somehow broke the latter

That's also one of the reasons why bugs slip through unnoticed; when devs fix something about truck explosions and models despawning, as QA/playtester you check whether that works. You wouldn't check whether player UI still works because why would you? In best case, you notice the new bug by accident

Oh, and I saw modders who work with UE4 complain that sometimes they test something in Unreal Editor, it works fine, they cook up a build for testers to test and all of a sudden the very same thing that worked previously is broken all of a sudden

Again, not trying to shield T17 here, but many people have little to no idea how random UE4 is and how hard it is to "just fix a bug"

[worn rose]

Maybe the source code is just such a mess they decided to make a new game

[finite berry]

That's one of the reasons that they also publicly stated, yes

[verbal island]

Yo guys can one of y'all explain to me what the deluxe version of Vietnam offers?

[feral hazel]

Does anyone know if we’ll have a rank system in HLL Vietnam like we do in the regular HLL

[verbal island]

Nvm found it out myself

[stable dome]

not much

[junior wing]

🫵😂

[ocean sage]

I'm going to assume you're unfamiliar with the server browser when I say this, have you tried modifying the search by lowest to highest ping?

[rough forge]

i did

90 ping servers are always full

[nimble ivy]

lets make it 91

[ocean sage]

Alright, so it is a problem of lack of servers in the vicinity

[ocean sage]

yea you gotta play at the right time of the day, it does get like that for me as well

[nimble ivy]

i usually get servers that say 30 then get 90, aint that bad

[rough forge]

i have no choice but to go for australian or german servers

[nimble ivy]

my servers are popular from 5-11

maybe later. but i go to bed then

[ocean sage]

The Golden Days of HLL was with Blackmatter

[nimble ivy]

what is that?

[ocean sage]

Hell let loose

[nimble ivy]

no black matter

[ocean sage]

Oh lol, the original developer team. The publishers (team17) bought the game and are now programming it as well

[nimble ivy]

ah okok. i just started a few weeks ago T-T so half the stuff people say i dont get

[covert elbow]

We never had a golden age. Just a gilded age

[nimble ivy]

maybe the dev team will lock in

seeing how much hate its getting

[ocean sage]

When pigs fly

I'm very much a pessimist when it comes to this

[nimble ivy]

redbull gives u wings

[ocean sage]

I mean they did fix their mistakes eventually admittedly
At least it feels like it to me

But they should be onto it from the start

[nimble ivy]

i havent seen many

[nimble ivy]

true. bro all the good servers are glows battlegrounds and im banned from that at the moment

https://tenor.com/view/ohno-gif-13555747940236673731

[ocean sage]

You weren't here a few years ago so you don't know

[nimble ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/horse-in-car-horse-car-sinking-glitch-gif-17291395

[finite berry]

Rose-tinted glasses

[covert elbow]

They did?

[nimble ivy]

aura name\

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/pretty-indominus-rex-4-gif-11761661595689436188

[nimble ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/indominous-rex-roaring-jurassic-world-jurassic-park-dinosaurs-gif-17281029

[finite berry]

rawr

[echo karma]

https://tenor.com/view/horse-flames-horse-gun-guns-gif-17838703870302235434

[covert elbow]

Cause from what I remember hey routinely ignored issues and never bothered to help the mountain of gameplay issues

[nimble ivy]

me with an machine gun when i see nothing but want to shoot

[echo karma]

Horse gun when

[ocean sage]

When was it sold again?

[covert elbow]

2022 is when it went full access

[ocean sage]

I bought the game at release, then came back in about early 2022

[covert elbow]

2018 is went it entered EA

[ocean sage]

I was too young originally to understand how to play

[glossy echo]

Bro this game is laggy as hell

[echo karma]

Plus bm wasn't really any better than t17. Hence why they sold it

[ocean sage]

Lemme check my steam achievements

[glossy echo]

I got 30 fps for like 5 minutes straight so even 40 fps feels smooth

[ocean sage]

I started playing April 2022
I swear it was sold after that

About 2023

[echo karma]

I thought it was 2021

[glossy echo]

It was

[covert elbow]

Crazy that T17 overpaid by 50 million

[echo karma]

To lazy to Google

[ocean sage]

It can't have been, when was the british released?

[worn rose]

https://tenor.com/view/ddr-germany-east-germany-socialism-socialist-gif-16447527023304761606

[covert elbow]

2023

[glossy echo]

When hell let loose was released it qas 2021

[echo karma]

https://tenor.com/view/kaala-bairava-|-getup-srinu-|-getup-srinu-jabardasth-trending-horse-riding-gif-17080494045034921025

[covert elbow]

It was the final update BM was involved with

[glossy echo]

Brottish was released later

[ocean sage]

I'm talking about when Team 17 bought Hell let loose

That was shortly before the whole british business from my memory

[glossy echo]

Oh ok I Diddy check

I thought it was when the game qas released

[prisma fiber]

T17 released the British after acquiring the game

They used BM's models and it was an unfinished sh*t show

[echo karma]

It's been what 3 yrs of t17?

[ocean sage]

2023
So I think I am correct in saying that I arrived before Team 17 bought the game off blackmatter

[glossy echo]

That trailer was 3 yrs ago

[ocean sage]

Google AI wants to tell me January 2022 but that's not correct

[echo karma]

T17 just a publisher that's trying to code basicly

[covert elbow]

BM made the British

They didn’t just pass the models over

[glass sierra]

hi

[echo karma]

They contracted t17 to help with stuff idk who did the console port

[glass sierra]

new here and to the game

[echo karma]

Console port was bad bad. Top 5 worst of all time

[glass sierra]

can anyone give some tips or advice to learn the game mechanics and get good?

[ocean sage]

Soul Sniper's videos on youtube are great for tutorials

[glass sierra]

i just run 5km and die

again and again

[ocean sage]

That's very common for new players

[glass sierra]

thanks will check

[covert elbow]

How about reading an article

https://www.gamedeveloper.com/business/team17-buys-hell-let-loose-and-indie-publisher-the-label

[prisma fiber]

Yes that's what I said. Weird

[ocean sage]

WHAT JANUARY 2022

[glossy echo]

Shouldn't be the experience unless you just started, if youre new look at soulsniper videos

[echo karma]

And they got that AAA dev who owns the dev team to make hllv lol

[ocean sage]

How

[covert elbow]

No you said BM handed over the models and T17 made it when the entire thing was BM’s deal

[ocean sage]

My memory is dodgy

[prisma fiber]

I said released

[covert elbow]

Ah, my mistake

[ocean sage]

Spotify is so annoying, 3 ads every 5 minutes

[sharp sigil]

I had a choice to buy either subnautica 2 or Hell Let Loose Vietnam, I think I made the right choice by choosing the latter

[worn rose]

Why is the queue system so slow dude I have to wait like 45 seconds to join a server while I'm first in queue and the server isn't even full

Crazy that multiple people can't join a server at the same time

[nimble ivy]

holy moly just had the best game of my life. me and some dudes named sammy, granola, jose, and wildflower just flipped shiz up

and first commander kill heck yeah

[worn rose]

Did you get 69 kills

[arctic rampart]

I've never played Subnautica, but I think you chose the wrong one

[austere matrix]

Never did get beta........guess I'll start streaming this winter so I can get invites.

[glossy echo]

I think he did maybe

Its a solid kill coubt

[nimble ivy]

No sadly only 10

But it wasn’t abt the kills fr it was abt the amount of effort and how hard we carried the team

[worn rose]

I just shoveled a machine gunner hehe

[nimble ivy]

Aura

[worn rose]

Game gonna be dead so quick when every server queue is constantly full

Literally 70% of the servers is empty cause quick play doesn't work properly

[arctic rampart]

Yeah, pc's been dead for ages because we don't have a quick play button. Everyone's playing on community servers and waiting in queues.

[worn rose]

And they're releasing a new game next month 🤦‍♂️

Fix this game first tf

[arctic rampart]

Arma Reforger's also super dead. Only a boat load of servers with max capacity and 25+ people waiting in each servers queue. Too bad they lowered it from the 50 people it was before.

[finite berry]

Why would they? Genuine question

[worn rose]

Why would I buy their new game if they can't even fix this one

[arctic rampart]

Imagine how dead Reforger is that a single community is running like 10 servers. 5 for EU and 5 for NA.
Each cycle, all 5 servers are full with 25 players in the queue. So dead smh

[cosmic pilot]

Chat, is this post satire?

[finite berry]

I asked first :D

[arctic rampart]

It's not satire. We need a QUICK PLAY button in HLL that brings us directly to a official server that's moderated by T17

One that works. That would be pretty good, right @worn rose?

[cosmic pilot]

I mean, are you legitimately calling reforger dead?

[glossy echo]

I agree with solid

[glossy echo]

T17s moderation is very good

[arctic rampart]

Yeah, cause everyone's sitting in a queue and there's no QUICK PLAY button

[glossy echo]

It is so important imo

[arctic rampart]

-# Is the /s really that hard to tell?

[glossy echo]

T17s moderatong in servers are great

No quick play=game is dead

[little vigil]

quick play should never exist

server browser only

[arctic rampart]

Counter Strike 1.6 didn't have a quick play and now it's dead

[finite berry]

I just realised Squad 44 has no quick play either

[arctic rampart]

I GUESS WHY ITS DEAD

[finite berry]

Now it all makes sense

[covert elbow]

The 6 person queue is bullcrap. Especially when VIP’s are unlimited

[rough scarab]

Why is there never anyone talking in official servers?

[arctic rampart]

Cause they're official servers

[rough scarab]

Yeah, and official servers are just dead quiet despite having 100 people in it

[rough scarab]

So? They were the servers before server browsers came along

[arctic rampart]

https://tenor.com/X6OQ.gif

[rough scarab]

Whats the difference between that and community? I mean I know community has repeats, but I don't see why official servers have to be silent

[arctic rampart]

Official server player base

[rough scarab]

Empty?

[arctic rampart]

No..

They're the bottom of the bottom in terms of quality of players

This is my old quote on the subject:

Yeah, there's multiple benefits of playing on community servers:
-Less hackers due to actual existing moderation and plugins that help report players. (Official servers have no real way of dealing with hackers.)
-Structured rules that help maintain proper playing. (Stuff like reducing amount of un-led squads. Rules around having a microphone whilst Squad Leading or commanding etc.)
-Ability to get VIP. (Some servers offer free vip via "seeding" or just playing well. Some others allow it via donations or joining their clan. Meaning you can always get in the full server super fast.)
-Events (Many community servers host various events, such as tank only nights, grouping up in discord before-hand for more constructed play, teaching nights etc.)
-Competitive play (You can join various clans of set server communities and participate in competitive skirmish games or even tournaments later if you wish to do so.)
-Higher probability of proper matches (As in increased amount of talkative players. Reduced amount in steam-rolls. Playing using proper strategies, squad leading etc.) (There is still RNG to this based off time of day etc. but overall it will be a better experience.)
-Additional plugins for more of an enjoyable experience (Commands to see last killer, commands to see next map, kill leaderboards, stat overviews (RCON), etc.)

Yes, read all of that. 

[finite berry]

Official servers are doo-doo stinky

[covert elbow]

No real reason to communicate

Not like this game encourages it

[arctic rampart]

Regular server attendees -> more regular faces -> more socializing -> more talking strats -> more executing strats -> more learning strats -> better quality of matches.

You know the Fort Minor song called "Remember the Name"?
It's the same stuff with playerbase on official servers.
10% trash
10% dads (the ones who don't talk and play 15mins a week)
10% kids
10% idiots
10% trolls
10% morons
10% new players that don't speak
30% hackers

and what does all of that equal?

100% TRASH

@rough scarab Does that makes sense?

[cyan saddle]

Are you implying he falls under any of those 8 categories, and if so, which? 🫢

[arctic rampart]

Could be multiple

[cyan saddle]

Statistically it's most likely that he's a hacker

[arctic rampart]

Playing on console is already a bit of a giveaway 😄

Who knows, maybe he even preordered Vietnam

[rough scarab]

It does though?

If you don't communicate how can you tell whats where and what to do? I can tell others "Hey there's a tank here or a sniper!!"

Not like everyone can see my ping

[covert elbow]

And do people actually listen most of the time?

[rough scarab]

So was that what official servers were before community came along?

[covert elbow]

Most times I give call outs people just ignore me

[arctic rampart]

No

[rough scarab]

Sometimes yeah? I mean I just helped two randoms

[covert elbow]

Command chats the only place I’ll get a response consistently

[rough scarab]

So then you're telling me all those people just funneled the official servers later on?

[arctic rampart]

Yes

[rough scarab]

Well everyone's in squad chat. I use both frequently, squad and blueberry chat

[covert elbow]

Yet another reason why I want it reworked

[arctic rampart]

Dads with 15 minutes of playtime don't join community servers since they don't have vip and have to wait in the 6 player queue which is like, 7 minutes. Aka half of their weekly play-time already gone.

tldr as long as people don't enforce mic requirements and the server admins don't help enforce it either, we gonna be stuck like this forever

[cosmic pilot]

actually, 1 in 7 players of HLL is a hacker

[ocean sage]

What do you consider a child?
a really squeaky 10 yr old

[arctic rampart]

Someone under the minimum age set for the game
OR
Minimum age + 10 years if they're an absolute door knob

[ocean sage]

Google says 17+ rating

so yea I see

[arctic rampart]

Yup. You can easily meet like some 24 year old American (generalizing here obv.) who's really, really annoying and not playing the game properly, just being a knob.
Would 100% classify that under kids or any of the other very fitting categories

[ocean sage]

hmmm : )

[faint portal]

Because there's no repeat players to an individual official server
Repeat players on community servers allow regular and more consistent experiences and that naturally promotes people talking, because they know each other

[dense shell]

My biggest pet peeve with this game is a simple one that can’t be fixed

[prisma fiber]

Implement global proximity, it's the only fix we need

[dense shell]

It’s always Germany vs allied power, the only issue is besides Japan that was pretty much the case

So hyped for vietnam

[prisma fiber]

They could implement many other factions that allied with Germany, but they are cowards 😄

[faint portal]

I mean isn't that the same with Vietnam though 🤔

[dense shell]

The only problem most used lend lease

[prisma fiber]

Vietnam was a smaller conflict

[dense shell]

I boot up Vietnam when I don’t want to fight/play as Germans lol

[rough scarab]

Well even if I don't know anyone, I like to talk and only talking to familiar faces is quite strange. It's nicer to come across someone familiar and still talk to new people despite that

[prisma fiber]

But even RS2 had ANZAC, and ARVN

As well as having both NLF/PAVN

At launch

Skins are hard though I guess

[dense shell]

I mean the hardest part about new countries is in the end it’s more historical perspective I guess.

History has pretty much mostly been a set few gun manufactures fighting each other

[prisma fiber]

Does this game even have the SKS?

[dense shell]

Like I’m down for Canadian representation but to my knowledge the only difference between allies and Canadians are 3 weapons?

[dense shell]

I don’t believe so

[prisma fiber]

Lmao

Early access in all but the name

[glossy echo]

Releasibg in a month🔥

[prisma fiber]

😂

[glossy echo]

What happend to the consooe open beta

And the gameplay did not look finished at all

[dense shell]

Don’t know, never heard about it

Wasn’t the open alpha the testing a month ago?

[glossy echo]

Got cancelled they had to save money to buy more assets from the ubreal engine store

[glossy echo]

Closed beta

[dense shell]

That was a beta?!?

[glossy echo]

Yeah lol

[dense shell]

Looked like cod 4

[glossy echo]

No it looked worse

[dense shell]

Don’t worry this is why we will never get pacific theater:)

[glossy echo]

But that recoil is absolutely dogwater

Like a game from crazygames

[dense shell]

I can safely say I’ll still to ww2 for a bit

[glossy echo]

Same

[dense shell]

Because honestly I can see Vietnam getting updated for a year and if it doesn’t go well it’ll stop getting updated

Plus didn’t a large portion of the dev team leave to make HUNGER

[obtuse dragon]

Or probably just don't want to add them yet to not bloat the game with factions with just 1 map like the allies

[glossy echo]

I don't understand the hype for vietnam, it was a nice reveal trailer but that 20 minutes of US gameplay was..

I don't even think dasaltberg is bad but these videos by the actual devs is crazy

[glossy echo]

That was blacj matter

[novel geyser]

Even with the weapon differences the canadians are just a more accurate version of the European theatre british

[faint portal]

I mean I'm not talking about you, I'm just answering your question bc the reality is not everyone is like you. Alot of people are just learning the game and are just nervous to talk

Having a ton of regulars helps break the ice for new players and promotes more talking

It's just if you want people to talk you gatta join an active community server, that way you can have a more consistent experience.

Official servers have ppl that talk, it's just more unlikely bc of the reason above

[obtuse dragon]

As much as i want to see the finnish and the italians the devs really need to do other things instead of just adding them

[glossy echo]

Old devs of hell let loose before t17

[dense shell]

Biggest improvement by far is swimming, I’ll hope for it in ww2

[dense shell]

Gotcha

[obtuse dragon]

The allies but slightly better and with one map again 🥀🥀🥀

[glossy echo]

Its a solid map

[arctic rampart]

Swimming existing was cool. Everything else about it was busted

[dense shell]

Yeah but imo I feel they could have just make the map allies vs Germany

[arctic rampart]

Getting out was busted, the speed was insane etc.

[dense shell]

Mortars scare me, an artillery that can be anywhere (yes I’m scared of good spa players)

[arctic rampart]

I doubt it'll be that impactful unless they make the ammo infinite

[glossy echo]

Not too bad am I right @Solid

[dense shell]

Still wondering how good armor will be