mess-hall

[thin lotus]

Ironically, the most grounded thing about hll is how the tanks move around the map. Everything else plays like it’s belongs in a completely different game

[azure heath]

you like the way i move?

aww thanks chum!

[thin lotus]

But by all means, let’s add even more ways for players to teleport around the map. Hll definitely needs that

[glossy echo]

Of course

Tunnels need to be buffed too

[silk igloo]

i think i've been pretty clearly against airheads and red garris. chum is being mean to me and misrepresenting me 🙁

[thin lotus]

Is Vietnam’s loadout “weight” system just in terms of what you can equip, or does it actually change movement?

[glossy echo]

@HLL Modification

[azure heath]

I don't think it was implemented fully, they said something about that

[glossy echo]

Chum is disbehaving

[analog apex]

nope, it doesn't

At least I didn't notice any difference in the movement speeds.

[silk igloo]

In '83 weight does matter, and you're so much slower with an MG. Chum might like it

[azure heath]

'83 is crap

but that's one cool thing

[glossy echo]

@analog apex do you like edit button

[analog apex]

All the time.

[thin lotus]

I know. But two wrongs don’t make it right

[azure heath]

Alright i'm gonna go back to glazing black matter and hating on T17

[glossy echo]

Based.

[analog apex]

gotta look and google what "based' actually means
I never use it because I don't know its actual meaning 😄 .

[thin lotus]

There’s too much fantasy “representations” of things in hll that are the excuse to underdeveloped gameplay

[glossy echo]

It is a hair fixer

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-spongebob-spongebob-meme-patrick-meme-dumb-patrick-gif-9974665538168463324

[silk igloo]

Why, if we removed OPs and garris altogether, hunting for spawns wouldn't really exist either, and it'd be tough to rocket or bomb them too. Just halftracks, tanks, trucks, tie the spawns and team really close together. im a genius. GENIUS

[azure heath]

It's kinda like that's cool and i like your opinion

but not really, but kinda

[analog apex]

Just doens't sound like it somehow... in my ears at least. Strange term.

[azure heath]

It's just gen z terminology

[glossy echo]

Gen z terminology

[analog apex]

Ok... now... what's "gen z" 😄 .

[glossy echo]

Generation Z

[azure heath]

1999 and younger until like 2009?

[analog apex]

I understood that much but what does it make.

ah

[glossy echo]

They are brainrotted

https://tenor.com/view/tung-tung-tung-tung-sahur-tung-tung-sahur-tung-tung-tung-sahur-brainrot-baseball-gif-13999381090646842001

[thin lotus]

I see your point. It is garries that are the main problem with how much power they output, particularly when in enemy territory

[glossy echo]

Like this stuff

[azure heath]

I mean I'm Gen Z

[glossy echo]

What is everyone's opinion on juno beach so far

[azure heath]

We haven't played it

I have nothing until then

[thin lotus]

Spawning on a garrison with the rest of your team on the other side of the map isn’t “cohesion” in the sense that the body of players didn’t actually earn that ground

[analog apex]

Oh, HLL E-tool pinged me... Hogwarts Legacy is for free on EPIC for a limited time. Get it whoever wants it.

[azure heath]

I'll pass

[lavish sparrow]

Lanchester SMG
OH GOD ITS BACK

[glossy echo]

Please unblock me, I won't be annoying towards anymore and would gladly help you instead 🙂

[azure heath]

Yep, the best SMG in the game

[lavish sparrow]

AAAAAAAAAAA

(did canada actually use it?)

[silk igloo]

Right now such garries and OPs are low-risk throwaway thing, but if every spawn was a player or a crew, you'd have more risk but you'd also have so much more teamwork between vehicles and infantry

[azure heath]

no don't tell anyone that

I mean I'm sure they had a few

maybe like 1 or 2

HUNGER looks sweet

[lavish sparrow]

apparently it was also their navy's smg.

[azure heath]

It's always the Navy's

[glossy echo]

Doesn't really look historically accurate

[thin lotus]

Teamwork by proxy. Battlefield does this by design, and its players are too stupid to realize it

[azure heath]

idc aboot realism if i get to use the best gun in the game. soory not soory

[thin lotus]

Forced proxy

[glossy echo]

Thanks

I'm not blocked

[azure heath]

https://klipy.com/gifs/sorrey--k01KQFM1CGVN1GXA6DFK0G3RYX0

[lavish sparrow]

hunger?

[glossy echo]

Game by black matter, old hll devs

[azure heath]

BM's new baby after HLL

[lavish sparrow]

thats not a very good name for a videogame

[azure heath]

Hunger game

[lavish sparrow]

yeah

[azure heath]

https://klipy.com/gifs/jennifer-lawrence-the-mocking-jay-47--k01KQFM3WD5WFGQF4FWSW7D76R7

[lavish sparrow]

they made a game that is impossible to look up online.
classic bm

[past veldt]

Are they still renamed to Good Fun Corp?

[azure heath]

Yeah

[glossy echo]

Yes

[azure heath]

I am playtester and ts is fun

[past veldt]

And do they still sell the underwear or whatever it was?

[azure heath]

prolly

[lavish sparrow]

looks like Turnip28 if it wasnt funny

[past veldt]

I just hopped on their Reddit to see what the latest news is and the 2nd most recent post is a fan fic

I didn't expect anything less

[silk igloo]

It's because teamwork isn't at all necessary in BF, or at least it seems that way. With more restrictions in a game like HLL, where your squad absolutely depends on one guy doing a specific thing or the entire squad is ruined, its much more apparent to everyone.

[thin lotus]

Eh, hll is about on the same level with more tediousness sprinkled in. Most of what you accomplish in hll, namely capping objectives, is usually just from blobbing together in a mass

[lavish sparrow]

Theres two types of teamwork. Theres players working together because they naturally lean into certain niches, and theres players actively communicating and coordinating to execute a plan. The former is what you see in battlefield and team fortress, the latter is what you see in squad and bellum.

[thin lotus]

That’s why most of its playerbase doesn’t find anything weird or unsatisfying about Garry spawnbombing , because “it won us the game! :)”

[silk igloo]

Imo such team-wide coordination in HLL is impossible because of time constraints. The game just moves way too fast for the commander to check in on each and every squad if they're even responsive

[past veldt]

Eh. Not really. I've played plenty of events as commander and micro'd a lot of it

You can do it, you just need a preconceived plan people are willing to commit into.

[lavish sparrow]

I wouldnt say the game moves too fast for it, but there is definitley far too much chatter for squad leaders to deal with a lot of the time.

[silk igloo]

Not impossible, rather, it's difficult or rare to have everyone on the same wavelength

[past veldt]

For sure, it's rare. But the game isn't too fast on a macro level if your team is at least somewhat willing to commit.

[lavish sparrow]

more importantly micromanaging SLs is not usually necessary. If an SL is willing to listen to you, they more than likely know enough of what they are doing to act on their own.

[analog apex]

And if they don't, ordering them usually won't bring any good results anyway.

[lavish sparrow]

has any game ever tried letting the commander draw on the map?
This could be a very easy way to convey a plan to the team as a whole.

[silk igloo]

The only thing that comes to mind is what R6:Siege was supposed to have, but didnt

[past veldt]

I always point to an event we lost mid point on opener. The event ref came onto my team and told us the other team are really communicating and we weren't saying anything in command chat. I told the team, guys, go cap mid please and we did. We didn't need loads of communication because I knew we were getting everything we needed.

Then other games I really needed to drag squads around the map to hold specific zones as they weren't understanding the flow of the game. Just a lot of vibing and feeling out the game

[silk igloo]

I'd rather not talk if I dont have to, and let squads talk to each other and the SL so they can destroy the enemy without me effectively muting the SL everytime I talk

but I do assume too much of what goes as common sense

[analog apex]

I "love" when I am squadLeading and some newcomer to my squad asks:
*What do you want me to do? *Or... SL, where do you want me?

The 1st thing I think about in my head is:
If you need to ask, me telling you won't help it anyway as I am pretty sure you will die at the 1st encounter and will be of no help.

[silk igloo]

damn, that's harsh

[analog apex]

Usually true.

[past veldt]

Same for hearing that in command chat though. If I hear someone ask the commander what needs to be done I just assume they're going to struggle to react to any sort of resistance

[analog apex]

People who already know, know. People who don't, nothing helps them.

[silk igloo]

i'd tell them to pick AT and at least make the enemy tank be afraid, even if they miss.

[lavish sparrow]

god forbid the newcommer is new

[analog apex]

This exactly. You wanna know what needs to be done? Open your map and act accordingly to what you see there.

[lavish sparrow]

thow them a bone if theyre under lvl 10 dude

theyre not gonna have the game sense to fully get the big picture by looking at the map.

[analog apex]

Ofc, total newcomers can't. But the question is usually being asked by average higher LVLs too.

[lavish sparrow]

oh thats different

[silk igloo]

That's a false assumption, I could make that question myself just to help them out if I feel like it.

obeying every command of a very new commander is ~fun~

[thin lotus]

Hll and games similar to it create this weird pretense that players are to always be communicating like that “what do I need to do?” And it lingers to even when players reach higher levels.

[analog apex]

Yep, they get used to it once and then they keep doing it forever.

[thin lotus]

Players then never learn any sort of intuition or understanding. They always HAVE to ask

[analog apex]

...and be handheld... and yet die immediately whatever they were meant or sent to do 😄 .

[past veldt]

It's the absolute same vibe as when someone types DEFEND in all caps while playing a game mode where you can't attack. Like they feel that everybody needs instructions at all times

[thin lotus]

And you end up with a general playerbase of most players not having any sort of clue without someone else telling them first

[silk igloo]

eh, you guys are just too grumpy

[past veldt]

Of course. I've got 4000 hours in HLL

[silk igloo]

i'd rather have a 100 people asking me things than suffer the silence where nobody does nothing

i got 5000, so there

[analog apex]

both can be bad depending on what's being asked and by whom... and how often

[past veldt]

Oh oh, I like the people on 1000 mile flanks who then complain there's no defence. They're my favourite people 😍

[lavish sparrow]

Cause thats part of the fun.

[candid sundial]

can someone do the math to double check mine but based on the health stats and round damage posted with update 18 with this new update
tiger can 2 shot front armor but 76 jumbo is 3 to kill tiger

[silk igloo]

if you had people far to the right and left but also some smart guys trying to get the enemy from "behind", it's not the guys on the left and right that are at fault

[thin lotus]

Force a smaller map width. Make it so that breaking through to enemy territory is an actual accomplishment and not just due to the fact that you’re pissing off somewhere with no opposition

[analog apex]

every situation is unique... always depends

[tranquil fulcrum]

Does increased AT damage mean destroying engine with 1 rocket?

[past veldt]

Nobody knows as the playtest isn't out

[tranquil fulcrum]

If it is then it's foul

An engined tank is 90% dead

600 fuel these heavies cost

[past veldt]

If people are 1000m out of cap sector, and I'm losing based on cap sector pressure only then I'll probably blame them

[lavish sparrow]

I assume this is offset by the armor resistance system.

[analog apex]

even "better" if on a locked objective for a few minutes... best usage of capPower xD 😄

[tranquil fulcrum]

Should've just kept it how it was before the 3 rocket update

[past veldt]

Whole 6 man squad running in a straight line through the enemy HQ

[tranquil fulcrum]

It was fine and balanced

[lavish sparrow]

We'll see how it plays out. Its never easy to tell how wide sweeping changes like that effect the game until its played.

[silk igloo]

losing because of softcap is a good sign to me, then our team just has to crunch inwards a bit and the enemy is quickly gone. i like to think of it like a fight between two bubbles that breathe in and out

[dull quail]

Juno map looks great but I hope buildings are open and the church too because I dislike that about mortain and some other changes are great like back to 2 rockets for at and that you can finally switch full loaded shells in tanks

[lavish sparrow]

they still need to rework the UI to make it clear that you cannot speed up capture rate

[tranquil fulcrum]

I have over 1000 hours in armour and I can tell you that 1 shot to engine does around 80% engine damage and if they increase it then it sounds like 1 rocket to me.
If you bring 3 guys into a tank and 1 dude with a rocket that doesn't cost any resources makes you waste 3 guys' time and 600 fuel then it's broken

They just need to wait behind a hedge and wait for you to drive and then hit 1 rocket

[glossy echo]

Looks like alpha hell let loose, which means amazing

[lavish sparrow]

no sh*t, the question is just whether or not the increase in damage is negated by the armor changes.

[past veldt]

It's just suggesting that you've gone too wide too early. Dominate soft cap then spread out after.

[dull quail]

Yeah it still has that bit of washed t17 look but it will hopefully look and feel like a black matter map only with the canadians (british)

[tranquil fulcrum]

They wrote nothing about resistence to the rear it's in the patch notes.
25% resistence to front 15% resistence to sides

[glossy echo]

Also looks like enlisted but I still think it looks good, a bit like squad 44 too

[maiden juniper]

Meow

[glossy echo]

Alpha hell let loose is a good thing

[lavish sparrow]

Oh I misread slightly.

[glossy echo]

Or beta, still looks good imo

[tranquil fulcrum]

They did write 5% resistence to rear no idea how they translates

So I misread it slightly as well I don't know if 5% is enough to stop it from being engined by 1 rocket

[dull quail]

Yeah I know but I still think sme and smdm are currently one of the better looking maps

[glossy echo]

Hill 400

[lavish sparrow]

depends on the damage increase. it could take them up to 90% engine damage for all we know

[glossy echo]

But sme and smdm is one of the best map layouts

[tranquil fulcrum]

That I would be fine with

Because they only get 2 rockets

[dull quail]

Rarely play it tbh personally stalingrad before the refresh was the best looking map its still good looking but kinda worse because of the washed textures and fog

[tranquil fulcrum]

That seems balanced but if its 1 shot to mediums or heavies then it's actually sad

[analog apex]

I miss the 1st SMdM version 🥺 .

[glossy echo]

Performances went worse too

[lavish sparrow]

The Panther tank has been rebalanced to better reflect its historical role between Medium and Heavy Tanks. While still classed as a Heavy in Hell Let Loose, its capabilities have been adjusted; weaker than standard Heavy tanks but stronger than Medium tanks.
Tank nerds in the chat, correct me if I am wrong but isnt this very much not how a panther performed in practice?

[glossy echo]

I don't played had in it

[tranquil fulcrum]

Panther was classified as a medium tank in real life

With a turret that's capable of penetrating a 76

[lavish sparrow]

classified as such but the actual armor and gun?

[dull quail]

Yeah and gameplay in some ways I like how you can be covered by smokes and the atmosphere can be awesome but the long sightlines where great for tanking

[glossy echo]

Looked very good still looked

[analog apex]

it played on the other side of the town mostly / half
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/hellletloose_gamepedia_en/images/4/43/Marie.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20200713024138

[tranquil fulcrum]

Gun can penetrate a 76 no problem but armour is weaker than a tiger yes

[gilded spade]

Is there a date for update 20?

[glossy echo]

I looked at 5 clips just of old smdm earlier today

[tranquil fulcrum]

We might lose engine by 1 rocket mattie I'm about to invade t17 (joke)

Get the torches!!!

[gilded spade]

I mean, it sounds realistic tbf 🥲

[silk igloo]

Right. That's what usually happens, people cap and then imagine that the enemy disappeared. Then they spawn back in with twice or thrice the numbers because your guys cant move up fast enough and the cap was way too near to have a lasting presence

[analog apex]

also all 5 sector columns of that version were playable at the beginnings (playtests) - whole map used to be open

[tranquil fulcrum]

Not really, especially not for the allies.
The bazooka couldn't penetrate a tiger even

The way it was before where it could only damage the rear was the realistic way

It's 1 step forward and 2 steps back with these updates

[glossy echo]

Yeah I saw that

(Edited)

[gilded spade]

That is what you get if devs and co don't understand the game needs

[tranquil fulcrum]

They added good additions to the game such as technician and 2 shot mediums instead f 1 by heavies but all the balance changes are just bad for the game

Tiger feels bad tanks get stuck on branches

[glossy echo]

@analog apex when was old smdm added? (Sorry for pnig)

[analog apex]

Old? That was the very 1st map so at the HLL's birth. First we got to playtest it in 2018.

[glossy echo]

In what update or what it before utah too

[tranquil fulcrum]

I hope there's enough people complaining if engines are 1 shot now on mediums and heavies

So it will be changed during the playtest

[glossy echo]

Oh I just checked

[analog apex]

First map was SMdM, then Hurtgen, then Foy. Not sure about the order after that.

[glossy echo]

Utah

Then omaha

Sainted mere English

Phl

And so on
(Edited)

[analog apex]

one way to butcher a name of a french town heh

[glossy echo]

Lol autocorrect is working overtime

[analog apex]

but yeah probably that order

[silk igloo]

it was english clay back when

[remote loom]

Hello, I have a suggestion. If this feature were added to Hell Let Loose, it would be really great. Adding bots to the game would make it much better, especially for players who can’t always find servers. Also, if Hell Let Loose: Vietnam gets released, fewer players might stay on the original game, so having bots would make it more worthwhile. Thank you.

[glossy echo]

Moving targets would be better

Hll isn't really a game with bots but I understand your suggestion

[winter rover]

For Juno, will it just be the Canadian faction?

[glossy echo]

Yes, wanna reinstall ?

[winter rover]

or will it be the specific unit

so like the 7th Infantry Brigade

[glossy echo]

Canada is it

Canada 100 procent

[winter rover]

And why is it just showing the left side?

[glossy echo]

What do you mean

[winter rover]

Look at the map, see the Suelles river?

the rectangular looking river

[glossy echo]

But canda is the new fact on

[oak current]

I think they'll also put the germans on the other side

[winter rover]

Yeah, the canadians also landed on the east side of the river too

That rectangular river should be in the center of the map

Like this map (made 6 years ago as a suggestion)
https://www.reddit.com/r/HellLetLoose/comments/go2ll1/juno_beach_give_em_hell_boys/#lightbox

[glossy echo]

But at least its canada

[glossy echo]

Probably for balance relason

[winter rover]

Or maybe gameplay reasons

[hollow gust]

Is there any way to try this experimental branch in Epic Games?

[winter rover]

The one they made looks more fun

[glossy echo]

Sadly no

On steam only

But idk if you're gonna miss out on much

[winter rover]

Two landed there, the Winnipeg Rifles and the Scottish. Right of the Suelles (so not features in the current map), the Regina regiment landed there

[arctic rampart]

Haven't been following this chat at all, but just saw the new tac map and it looks very nice.

[winter rover]

So map should've been half open country and half urban. But I prefer what they made

With the unique river layout, so that'll be cool

[glossy echo]

Brisk says its a bit not real on a river

[arctic rampart]

What do you mean?

[winter rover]

No I mean it should be slightly more to the East

[arctic rampart]

It doesn't like align with irl?

[winter rover]

It does, just doesn't cover the full thing

And the devs probably did that purposely

[arctic rampart]

Ahh. Probably.
I'm not one for the history part. I just want it to be unique and play well.
I'd prefer a map to have thought out garry spots instead of being realistic. I think Elsenborn suffers from this terribly. The garry spots suck on it

[glossy echo]

They changed a bit where nap was

Briski don't like it

[real parrot]

I doubt it, they are?

[real parrot]

Well you can do both using cover like destroyed vehicles, bunkers, treches lines and such.
The big picture can be realistic and the map be competitive ready, it is hard but doable

[golden berry]

Introducing a new faction for only one map seems pointless

[lavish sparrow]

its not like Canada is a particuarlly intensive faction to make

[golden berry]

They played an important role in the battle of Caen as well which I’m surprised isn’t included as Juno beach was the starting stage

[lavish sparrow]

That would double the work of the update.

[golden berry]

Yeah I would’ve preferred Italy as a new axis faction instead of essentially a British reskin

[silk igloo]

it would be if they weren't so good at hiding their uhhhh

[lavish sparrow]

You say that as if those were equivalent choices. Canada exists because its a British reskin which lets them add a new nation in a smaller update.

[tight trout]

looking forward to play with console players

[lavish sparrow]

How would you do an Italy faction that doesnt get completely skullf*cked anyway?
Have the tanker squads be german?

[real parrot]

They would probably make the M13 a medium tank armor

[lucid tusk]

The same way you do a Japanese faction, you dont

[lavish sparrow]

I mean they could probably do German tank squads with them and keep the spirit of it.

[golden berry]

Considering the fact Italy heavily relied on German supply and equipment during North Africa and the Italian campaign, I don’t see why not a mix and match of Italian and German gear, it would save them time anyways

[lavish sparrow]

I dont mean a mix and match of gear, I mean the tank squads are German. As in the tank commander, technician, and crewman are not Italian people.

Post scriptum did this for the Market Garden maps, if you played as the USA, your tank squads were British.

[novel geyser]

wouldnt be a bad way of doing it

[cedar ore]

return of the lanchester was unexpected

[dim glen]

Besides Erwin Rommel (of Belgian descent) there were no German forces in North Africa. Only Axis forces were Italian, Swiss, and Albanian (Forced conscripts under King Zog)

[real parrot]

If you didn't notice, the main light tank of the axis forces is the Luchs, a tank less numerous than the Tiger 1

[dim glen]

The Luchs is an Australian tank designed in Salzburg. It makes sense the Swiss bought some and flew them there

[lavish sparrow]

And it is once again not used by this faction irl.
I hope it is at least a rare weapon

[glossy echo]

They said it was good weapon don't tell the devs

[covert elbow]

I’ve promoted this in my multi faction suggestion post

[cedar ore]

Me when my WW2 game featuring soldiers respawning from tables and radios isn’t hyper realistic and doesn’t have this very specific detail from this very specific line of events

[covert elbow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1270866053047521350/1492869670246813746/1775934858444.gif

[lavish sparrow]

😐

[covert elbow]

Get out

[cedar ore]

Guys it NEEDS TO HAVE THE RIGHT GUNS

Atp they should just make it so if you die in game you die in real life

[lavish sparrow]

Sad to see people still trying this tired old take

[glossy echo]

Its realistic

[covert elbow]

It’s not

[thin lotus]

The game is supposed to suck just like the irl battles did

[cedar ore]

It’s really not

[covert elbow]

Still a bad argument though

[cedar ore]

I love the game

[glossy echo]

You wasn't even in the war how you know

[covert elbow]

I was in the war

[cedar ore]

Same bro same

[glossy echo]

Probably in the new gen I was in ww2, you was probably in Iraq war

In ww2 you respawned in tables

Like in hell let loose

[lavish sparrow]

I was in the war. I remember we were storming omaha beach. Jerrys lit up on us with machine gun fire we dove into a nearby trench. I thought we had all made it, but Billy, poor young Billy, his ping was 165, he rubberbanded out of that trench and was lit up like a firecracker. Ill never forget that day.

[glossy echo]

Remember his twin? I think it was billgooner67, I miss him too

Then fortnitelover75skibidi, he is missed too

He lagged so hard and got caught in the smoking tank bug and died

[lavish sparrow]

nah but really tho these takes are just lazy as hell and not worth peoples time.
HLL guns arent that distinct from eachother for the most part. They exist mostly as art choices, so its better if theyre true to life.

[glossy echo]

He wanted to smoke a tank and flew up and rubberbanded his way down:(

[glossy echo]

Yeah but remember to congrat Billy on his birthday tomorrow

[lavish sparrow]

Unironically a lot of the appeal of hell let loose seems to be "I like the way this sucks"

[novel geyser]

The biggest appeal of this game is its ""authenticity"" so I think its reasonable to expect the correct guns

the lanchester isnt extremely far fetches so long as its a high level unlock

[silk igloo]

i think people latch onto it simply because it's convoluted enough to keep the amazement going for long enough to make playing it routine

[lavish sparrow]

Hell Let Loose players when you suggest that the historical immersion game should focus on history and immersion:

[novel geyser]

The game is 100% held up by its vibes and not its actual gameplay

[thin lotus]

Certainly a case of the less you know (care), the better

There’s always something to nitpick

[nova pivot]

Graphics do a lot, if the game had ER2 graphics nobody would play it

[dry gorge]

What is going on with this lvl 1 bug? Is it known?

[nova pivot]

Yes by the community bot by the devs

[lavish sparrow]

Yes but also with the internet you have the phenomena of people who notice something is wrong making an effort to let everyone else know.

[silk igloo]

It's the same with every game, isnt it? You start it, it's all new and weird, and it all seems chaotic or new or interesting, but eventually it becomes known and bothersome

[nova pivot]

It's been around for ages now

[dry gorge]

Doing my head in. Is there any workaround?

[nova pivot]

Maybe closing and opening the game fixes it, I don't know I'm not from pc

[lavish sparrow]

I think he is talking about historical accuracy

[thin lotus]

Gameplay too.
The game is straight tedious if you’re a player that knows what needs to be done every match

[silk igloo]

but that is every game

[lavish sparrow]

no HLL is particuarly prone to that

[thin lotus]

But find yourself at odds with a game that has a revolving door of new players.

[silk igloo]

after you've seen it in hll it's no different in bf, rs2, '83, warthunder

[lavish sparrow]

You talking about gameplay or history?

[thin lotus]

Hll is definitely carried by waves of new players who are starstruck by its opening vibes.

[silk igloo]

the tediousness. as chum said, if you're a player that knows what needs to be done, it's all the same game

[glossy echo]

https://tenor.com/view/gd-geometry-dash-cube-reference-funny-gif-8757531089775734098

[lavish sparrow]

That is certainly not the case in either RS2 or Battlefield.

[silk igloo]

it is

[lavish sparrow]

How

[silk igloo]

the same issue of most players meatgrinding this or that way whereas some lone enemy slips past to destroy your entire team

[thin lotus]

Rs2 and bf has no where near the same level of tediousness as hll

[silk igloo]

it's the same thing whatever game you play, even WT planes

[thin lotus]

Hll is entirely built around being tedious under a guise of TACTICAL HARDCORE ITS SUPPOSED TO SUCK tier gameplay

[lavish sparrow]

(also low key revealing that you play only a narrow set of games)

[lavish sparrow]

And yet that works

[silk igloo]

the only escape you got is squad, arma or other where you shovel 100 players into a much larger map

[thin lotus]

Yeah, there’s a sect of gamers who no doubt buy into it

They say things like “KD doesn’t matter”

[glossy echo]

It doesn't matter for noobs

[silk igloo]

those milsim events seem like just the thing people should get into though. gentlemans rules, instead of every man for their points

[glossy echo]

Because they have to learn the game first

[lavish sparrow]

Theres nothing to "buy into".
People pickup HLL because they want an immersive ww2 game. They get that experience.

[thin lotus]

I can’t argue against their feelings, true

[lavish sparrow]

We've been saying that the game is gonna crumble due to the overly basic gunplay and botched strategy for almost 7 years now. It never has. At some point we gotta look back and realize that it doesnt actually matter.

[thin lotus]

lol I was never a doomposter. I always advocated how much better it could be

[silk igloo]

people will throw 20 euros at a game if they dont have anything better

that's like 3 beers

[lavish sparrow]

Yep. But maintaining that interest over a long period of time is more rare.

[silk igloo]

the game doesnt have to. every so often there's some guy saying that they're playing HLL again after 1-2 years. that's just the tip of the iceberg.

[lavish sparrow]

I mean over the general population.

[cosmic pilot]

someone stole chum's planet

[cosmic pilot]

you never provided a clear positive vision of what the game could be.
you only complained that what it was doing didn't suit your tastes

[past vortex]

chum wants the game without spawns

game starts, you just cant spawn

timer runs out

[cosmic pilot]

chum wants a game where body shots take more hits so he can keep his ttk low by only getting headshots

[hushed niche]

3 years ago I was playing on the African maps and they weren't historical accurate and they said they would fix the loadouts and they are still not done LMAO

[dusky gulch]

It really shouldn't

This is not a game where your goal is to get the most kills

[past veldt]

If your team is getting killed a lot, and you're not getting any in return. Which team do you think will win?

[thin lotus]

The same level of cope exists in Battlefield. It really is odd how these players can’t connect what needs to happen in order to win a match

[worthy charm]

The one with the pink luchs

Moral buff is unlimited

[past veldt]

The team with OnlyLuchs will absolutely win

[past veldt]

It's like the meme with Joey from friends speaking french

[thin lotus]

Your ability to get kills (and dying less) is the catalyst to being able to do literally anything else

[lavish sparrow]

there is an odd phenomena where game discussions have a lot of people who do not play the game in them.

[worthy charm]

Thats pretty normal

[lavish sparrow]

normal but annoying

[worthy charm]

Reddit and Discord have that for all games, but shooters and competitive games are worse

The Fohole discord is just a hell scape, literally hell itsself

[past veldt]

Might make playing foxhole worth it

I love a terrible reddit discussion

[lavish sparrow]

also people try to create frameworks to understand games and those frameworks are almost always at odds with what happens on the ground.

[worthy charm]

Oh no, you missunderstood...

None of the people there play the game

they all just larp

[past veldt]

So just like the HLL subreddit

[lavish sparrow]

yes

[worthy charm]

now youre getting it

Btw if you do it anyway

Tell them how weak warden vics and weapons are

they love that

[past veldt]

I've got 11 hours in foxhole. That is enough for me

[oak current]

I mean they should given Wardens some Buffs, for Wardens are the only good faction out of the two.

So clearly they are the ones that deserve good things.

[worthy charm]

This man, understands it

[oak current]

Go Wardens!

[tranquil delta]

hey all!

[slate canopy]

Hello Welcome!

[silk igloo]

where do these people come from that still dare thrust their head into our den

always need fresh meat tho

[covert elbow]

Would much prefer a proper weapon structure where each one is unique and functioned like it did IRL

[real parrot]

At some point having different weapons would be cool, but a thing that makes Hll different to most semi-milsim games (and maybe the reason is still alive) is because it tries to maintain a balance between the 2 playable factions

[covert elbow]

You can absolutely do that without having to result in war we have now

You just need to make each faction have a strength relative to IRL

[real parrot]

It is much harder, knowing the devs be joyful they don't break something when adding a new asset

[covert elbow]

Also that isn’t even case for half of the factions in game

The Soviets and Germans could be much better balanced and accurate but the devs refuse to make a subfactions for the Germans like Africa

[real parrot]

British would be the less balanced faction as they don't have semi-autos, but on most maps they are there aren't semis on the german side either, the only difference would be Driel

[hot turret]

WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO MY BELOVED PANTHER

[real parrot]

Honestly, if I get to pen enemy heavys from the front and be able to play the Panther on comp games, I wouldn't care they reduce the damage a little

For as long as I destroy a Jumbo in 2 shoots and witstand 2 shoots from one

Nothing would change that much

[hot turret]

you wont

as it is aimed to be like a 75mm jumbo so no penetrating the front of a heavy tank now

[real parrot]

They did not specify, but It wouldn't surprise me

[hot turret]

it says they wanna make it like a 75mm

[real parrot]

It said they wanted to make the 75 more like tha Panther tho

[hot turret]

which would make sense from a balance perspective

[covert elbow]

Most of the German semi automatics were actually shipped to the eastern front so that wouldn’t be much of an issue

[real parrot]

Again, talking from the side of balance close historical relevance is the first thing to fly off the window

[uneven path]

anyone know when the next vietnam beta is?

[slate canopy]

We know an open beta is planned for May.

when in May? 🤷‍♀️

[covert elbow]

It’s not though

Russia/ British and Germany can be easily balanced with eachother following history

[wooden cove]

nice

will that lvl 1 bug ever get fixed

do we have monkeys managing the fixes or what

jesus christ

[haughty solar]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-fish-looking-phone-disappointment-gif-23326574

[keen breach]

Have they have an announcement when the next beta for Vietnam is out ?

[slate canopy]

" Our first Open Beta is planned for May, and we’ll be sharing more details across all our socials in due course."

https://www.hellletloose.com/blog/beta-testing-and-crossplay

[mild obsidian]

Howdy

[elder shell]

Players: we want a new Axis faction

Team17: BRITISH RESKIN 🇨🇦

I mean I'm excited for Juno Beach but like....the Canadians don't have much to offer

[junior wing]

Is there a way to reduce high ping i only have that issue on HLL btw

[wooden cove]

I wonder if hell let loose vietnam is gonna be filled with bugs and ignored for half a decade

Fix the lvl 1 bug yah rtards

[obtuse dragon]

nope, just find servers closer to your country

[haughty solar]

Danzig and/or Berlin, would be nice

i would love to see the polish resistance against the Axis

[elder shell]

I'd like to see the Finnish or the Italians

[haughty solar]

strong call, damn

what about japanese faction👀

Letting us banzai into ships

[elder shell]

Well yk...it's been over 5 years and there's no sign of a pacifc faction and with the next game coming up I don't think so

[haughty solar]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-crying-meme-doggo-crys-megan-soo-crying-dog-gif-5276199764143986284

[elder shell]

ay buddy...Vietnam remember

https://tenor.com/view/vietnam-robin-williams-gif-19912436

[elder shell]

or yk maybe a French Faction

[haughty solar]

you really want to give us the option to surrender

[elder shell]

that was a Joke haha, uh honestly I think Italian or Finnish would've been a better idea

then Canada and I say that as a half Canadian

[haughty solar]

finnish would be awesome tbh

[haughty solar]

https://tenor.com/view/war-gif-13170560

[elder shell]

Sniper's would have some fun on those maps

[opaque herald]

Yooo

[junior wing]

I’m in Paris and all the eu servers are pretty close to Paris so idk

[spice raft]

When will the Juno beach exp branch start?

[novel geyser]

Either tonight or tomorrow I think

[dull quail]

When is the update out for the experimental branch it says this weekend so maybe today already?

[glossy echo]

What timezone

It was 1 may

When you have taken a lot of drugs

[novel geyser]

Since t17 is in the uk
Uk timezone

Its 1st of may here

Today then yeah i didnt see on the brief

[dull quail]

I hope its gonna be tonight so I can check out some stuff myself but it's also fun to go in blind at the event tomorrow

[past veldt]

It's usually 11am or 2PM UK time. I don't think we've seen a time other than these since we started getting playtests like 5 years ago

[spice raft]

Make sense

[glossy echo]

Hope 12

@ben when will juno beach come

[grizzled sapphire]

@pine ember Replying to what we were saying in my thread.

Look at my doc, we have SO many cosmetics that we don't currently have that'd be a brilliant addition, obviously excluding the ones that are technically updates to existing ones.

The thing is, Germany is simply just the faction that has the most variety in uniforms and appearances, so they'll always need more until they're fully fleshed out.

The only other factions I can think of that need anything is the US and the UK, and even they don't have much more to add at this point in comparison aside from unit patches.

[pine ember]

So that it all looks like a clown show and not an army anymore? No thanks

Not as long as we dont have subfactions or restrictions on what to wear for each map

[grizzled sapphire]

We've already passed that point unfortunately.

[pine ember]

T17 just messed up

[grizzled sapphire]

I point to my sub-faction idea for a fix for that.

But even that doesn't fix it completely

[pine ember]

I know, I support that one by my heart

[junior wing]

80+

[nova pivot]

Is the sniper fun in hill 400?

[grizzled sapphire]

My idea only fixes the dumb af mis-matching EVERYONE and their mother does in this community.

[elder shell]

I wouldn't know I've only played Sniper once

[pine ember]

I just dont see why we would need a bazillion of uniforms for the Germans when the result would be that the German faction looks like a mercenary group

[grizzled sapphire]

It doesn't add sub-faction based maps.

The fact that seeing a single german infantryman wearing something that matches is a rarity is just baffling lmao

I've only ever seen what, 2 people wearing what I call matching cosmetics in this whole year so far? Out of thousands of players.

[nova pivot]

Finnish maps would be covered by forest, in which snipers aren't the best choice, yeah simo haya is a legend but that doesn't mean sniper would be good

[elder shell]

Ok

[pine ember]

And thats the problem... Most people just look like Spec ops or complete clowns when they should be wearing feldgrau or atleast stuff that matches

[nova pivot]

You went back to flecktarn, I understand you, the new one is not as cool

[grizzled sapphire]

Honestly I'm frankly shocked it isn't counted as common sense.

[glossy echo]

...

[hallow pagoda]

what time experimental branch going live?

[glossy echo]

The devs are slacking this time so not very

Maybe in 3 hours

[junior wing]

?

[glossy echo]

Not much ping

150+ is usually high ping but o play with bad Internet so 300 is bad for me

[junior wing]

80 on my own servers (eu) is crazy when i get 80 ping on na east in other games

[glossy echo]

In game or in server menu

[junior wing]

In game

[glossy echo]

Then its alright

It should show maybe 20 ping in server browser and 80 ping in game and its solid

[pine ember]

Of course I did... I saw the other one irl a few weeks ago and now I hate it

[pine ember]

Thats the thing: 14 yo want to look cool, not realistic

[grizzled sapphire]

Ig

[lean basin]

When does the experimental branch drop

[tawny remnant]

[drifting matrix]

🇨🇦

[digital vale]

Waiting....

[cedar ore]

Quite exciting

Doubt the map will be very special unfortunately ☹️

Juno beach, more like boring beach ☹️

[digital vale]

HLL Experimental is updating now..

[drifting matrix]

Dday Beach but with reskinned British troops

They better use the correct Canadian flag for the time period :p

[novel geyser]

not really any flags in the game to begin with

[finite berry]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/538055883075354637/1499754651837268058/canada-make-successfully-flag-v0-hwnj470xpfdb1.png?ex=69f5f2dd&is=69f4a15d&hm=3e02d9601c862450c337c296dca4abd7bb2345cb90bb0a4a67db54d62023816e&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[drifting matrix]

For the loading screens and choice selection?

[novel geyser]

those arent flags

[drifting matrix]

Hmm

[novel geyser]

it will 100% have a maple leaf tho

they mentioned there are placeholders during this branch tho

[drifting matrix]

Yeaa

And for the song it will be placeholder so I wonder what our placeholder song is? British one?

[novel geyser]

probly

I do wonder what the choice for final song will be

[drifting matrix]

Or they just throw in the modern bilingual national anthem for funsies

[novel geyser]

it would be the first faction to use the national anthem for the victory theme if they do

all the others are marching/military songs

[drifting matrix]

:p

[oak current]

I offered to sing oh canada, as a temporary placeholder song

even in french, without being able to speak french!

[drifting matrix]

Tabarnack

I'm slowly learning a tiny bit of German using the Duolingo app

[novel geyser]

Im glad we atleast get a normandy commonwealth maps
though it feels canada is just there to avoid the mess that is the current european british faction

[drifting matrix]

I got German family but I also wanna go there for a visit some day and be able to understand a little without having to just Google lens and translate everything

[spice raft]

It’s updated?

[drifting matrix]

But also would be fun to learn some German to speak it when playing Germany on hll

[novel geyser]

yes experimental branch update now

[drifting matrix]

:3

[spice raft]

Restart stream right?

[drifting matrix]

It's the seperate hll in steam library right meant for playtest

[slate canopy]

Negative.

[drifting matrix]

I've actually never done one of these playtests before, but this one's got Canada

[slate canopy]

It's now under versions of HLL

[glossy echo]

Is juno beach out?

[slate canopy]

So settings of HLL you would see a beta.

[drifting matrix]

Oh like a game version thing

Okie

[novel geyser]

its on the experimental branch now

[drifting matrix]

Poggers gotta boot up the computer

[slate canopy]

It would look like that (my pic from 2 days ago)

[drifting matrix]

I see, like how they do project zomboid or foxhole testing

[slate canopy]

They USED to use the PTE version but switch to the Beta. It is usually only like 10ish GB the last time?

Versus the WHOLE game

[drifting matrix]

Ahhh

Yea I was wondering about that cause it's in the library still I think

I think I'm gonna have to buy the dlc if they give any for Canada stuff

Haven't bought any dlc before for this game xd

Proud to be Canadian Although during WW2 none of my family was Canadian at the time,
British, and then German, Italian

Think we will ever get Italians in hll?

[nova pivot]

Will you speak canadiene when playing Juno?

[drifting matrix]

Nah I don't speak French

[nova pivot]

We openly hate France in this discord

[drifting matrix]

Maybe I'll get a Canadian goose sound bite and play that over mic using sound pad tho

[thin scarab]

New map actually Looks cool

[spice raft]

3 people…

[analog apex]

they never gave the time when it was supposed to officially start

so it didn't even start yet...?

[azure heath]

they just messed up the ping

@hll news

I blame @plush kettle \

They fixed it

you! you did it!

[cyan saddle]

what r u talkin about

clearly it pinged

[dusty bolt]

https://tenor.com/view/monero-xmr-privacy-fungibility-end-the-fed-gif-20629542

[azure heath]

https://klipy.com/gifs/zaunvi-caitvitwt-2--k01KQHWSNKYKDY6HCCVQW7SVKWY

[analog apex]

so... the matches are running already for quite some time and they didn't ping us

only 5m ago

[azure heath]

blame abu

[nova pivot]

@analog apex you just killed @novel geyser

Stop camping the op

[analog apex]

I know 🙂

[nova pivot]

That is not nice

[analog apex]

victim 2x

[elfin hull]

do you have to enter a certain code in the beta version because it's not showing the Canadians for me ?

@plush kettle ?

[novel geyser]

PC only

[elfin hull]

i know i'm on pc

ok got it thank you

[lavish sparrow]

I mean it would be neat especially if a gun has some gimmick but for the most part it doesnt really matter.

[elfin hull]

.

[past veldt]

@dusty bolt you've got the opportunity to advertise your OF link by changing your name right now btw

[dusty bolt]

https://glows.gg/onlytoes

[past veldt]

There's no way you've got that 😂

[analog apex]

so... about the legs not sticking out through walls anymore - it pushes our character forward each time
and it doesn't care that we are bandaging - it cancels our bandaging each time we even touch the wall behind us with our legs while prone

[covert elbow]

Caliber based damage and effects would be nice

[dusty bolt]

https://tenor.com/view/tkt-smart-gif-20642718

[analog apex]

like... gj, can't be any more stupid

invisible walls in one hand, assets without collision in the other

[dusty bolt]

before @carmine urchin stole it for whatever reason

[past veldt]

He's always given me Hand Enjoyer vibes

[dusty bolt]

Glow's has a server on Juno Beach right now if anyone wants to play it

We do have an organized event tomorrow night

[analog apex]

I am jsut annoyed

becasue they didn't state what time it woudl begind and when it began, they didn't ping use right away

[thin scarab]

Its just a ping….

[green stag]

aawwwww

Are the servers up? None are showing for me

[glad parrot]

How’s Juno lads?

[green stag]

On the PTE i mean

[glad parrot]

Any new cosmetics ?

[green stag]

Juno isnt even showing up[ and there are no servers i can see

[thin scarab]

Are you on the Test Branche ?

[analog apex]

it's not PTE

[green stag]

yep. Hell let loose (public testing)

[analog apex]

it's a dev branch on normal client

[green stag]

ohhh, ty

Are they not using PTE anymore?

Damm i just wasted a bunch of time

[drifting matrix]

I like the new map uwu

[silk igloo]

canadian arty operator gets an AT gun. that's nice.

[analog apex]

map is great

[glad parrot]

Typical t17 eh 😂

[green stag]

Nah was a stuff up at my end Lol

[pine ember]

"Most of the time the problem lies between the ears of the applier"

[glad parrot]

Did you clear your cache ?

[pine ember]

So hows Juno?

[glad parrot]

Yes how is it?

Aren’t you on PC Panza?

[finite berry]

T17, I guess lol

[analog apex]

Juno's great, lots of unique places

needs polishing (invisible walls, assets without collision)

but otherwise it's gonna be very nice

[drifting matrix]

The bunkers and barricades are just the British ones 🙁

[pine ember]

Indeed I am

[edgy flicker]

Curse T17 for removing hell let loose from gamepass

[pine ember]

Nice

[lavish sparrow]

Do british bunkers still look like mad max sh*t?

[pine ember]

Finally, inner peace

[edgy flicker]

If your inner peace comes from other people’s suffering then what are you without their suffering

[glad parrot]

Glad they did tbh

[drifting matrix]

Lol yea

[edgy flicker]

Why

[glad parrot]

Too many trolls and people who didn’t play the game properly

[lavish sparrow]

That will not change

[glad parrot]

Still like that, but noticed a decrease when it was removed

[lavish sparrow]

Placebo

[pine ember]

Means less newbies that dont know what they are doing and play this game like its COD (spoiler: Its not)

[lavish sparrow]

Most increases in it are placebo too.
"games are worse lately" has been a constant claim every month for the past 5 years

[lavish sparrow]

or is it?

[edgy flicker]

That’s like me not being able to eat steak because a kid can’t chew it, your reasoning is horrible

[glad parrot]

What I’ve always liked about HLL is you’ll always get a mature player base most the time

[lavish sparrow]

you just gotta pay for the steak

[glad parrot]

A lot of lads on the game seem to be in there 30s to 50s

But I’m not playing until they release Juno beach

Burnt out

I just hope this map isn’t a stuttering mess like previous map releases

Probably will be knowing these useless lot

[pine ember]

Its not. If those people would play the game properly I would have no issues with it being free

[lavish sparrow]

When has hell let loose not been a stuttering mess?

[glad parrot]

Quite a few maps

[pine ember]

But it sadly attracts mostly 14 year olds and Wehraboos these days

[arctic rampart]

Doesn't stutter for me?

[glad parrot]

Stalingrad, remagen, Tobruk, Smolensk

[lavish sparrow]

stalingrad?

[glad parrot]

Normandy/western front maps run fine for me

[glad parrot]

Stuttergrad*

[glad parrot]

The UK/EU serves have always been fairly decent

[pine ember]

Depends

[glad parrot]

The US servers are entertaining though 😂

The arguments on there are hilarious

[glad parrot]

Suppose, but the regulated ones are decent most the time

For console anyway

[pine ember]

I dont even play those

I just play where I get into, know the language and have a decent ping

[glad parrot]

I wouldn’t touch official servers with a barge pole

Yeah, same I’ll always stick to UK/Western Europe servers

[analog apex]

OFFENSIVE, Canadians attacking... but not fro mthe landing boats. They spawn in the big ships that are already on the beach wtf.

[glad parrot]

Even though the ping doesn’t even correlate to your internet ping whatsoever

[glad parrot]

lol

[analog apex]

+it's a night

[glad parrot]

So you playing it right now?

Is it stuttery?

[azure heath]

ts was wrong at first but then they edited and shadow pinged to fix it

185% Abu or one of his co-conspirators

thus the shadow ping

[novel geyser]

who would have thought canadian offensive on juno with no boat landings is just the struggle of D-Day but lame with no vibes

[karmic cloud]

will there be hamburger hill as a map?

[azure heath]

https://klipy.com/gifs/michael-scott-annoyed--k01KQJ24AEDBZM81E6C21ZRWAVQ

[honest hull]

hambuger??

[karmic cloud]

https://giphy.com/gifs/freakysucs-freakysucs19-evan-burger-3NpU9jkg1aVsKKIFCS

[honest hull]

you love hamburger

[dull quail]

Juno beach looks amazing gameplay wise but what is this lighting and the washed textures if it wouldn't be this saturated and harsh shadows it would look so much better

[karmic cloud]

hill 937

[dull quail]

But definitely potential to be one of the better maps

[honest hull]

fr

[pine ember]

Whats Hamburger Hill

[novel geyser]

yeah t17 seems to still struggle a bit with textures and detail, though smolensk looked great

cozy house placement

[honest hull]

this is new map

[dull quail]

Yeah true thats weird that they did it better on that map but tbh it's only a few tweaks

[novel geyser]

yeas

[honest hull]

okay

[cosmic pilot]

More maps should have the gimmick of using approach vehicles to drop off troops

[novel geyser]

I agree

[cosmic pilot]

Put an ai gunner on a machine gun to combat spawn camping

[glad parrot]

Will that sten gun actually have vibration

[azure heath]

Is the map good enough for seeding?

[honest hull]

hey, this is night map?

[novel geyser]

yes

[honest hull]

okay

[azure heath]

lot of shadow for the night

[novel geyser]

there is a dawn version that for whatever reason I struggle to see in
the sky is very dark and theres lots of harsh shadows but its still fairly bright
streets lights are on and look very bright also

just a weird bit of lighting

[unkempt hearth]

can anyone give me a password to join one of the servers in the experimental branch?

i wanna walk around the new map 🙂

[dull quail]

They should honestly just use the lighting of the other Normandy maps

It would look way better and better visibility

And it would make sense since it's same place same time

[novel geyser]

doubt you will be able to get into them, you'll just have to join one of the ones with players

[analog helm]

anyone trying the beta with potato ? Stutters ?

[unkempt hearth]

theres three empty servers and all of them have passwords

wait nvmd

[lucid tusk]

They really should just make 2 versions like they did with omaha, have warfare be d-day plus 1 but for the love of God just make CAN offensive the actual landing

[wheat wasp]

did they add more cosmetics?

[glossy echo]

Why does sten sound so quiet

[novel geyser]

its dumb they didnt do that

I do kinda wish they did the more urban landing site tbh

[lucid tusk]

Courseulles-Sur-Mer or Bernieres-Sur-Mer would have been amazing, but im just happy we got something

[novel geyser]

They havent mucked them up like the brits but could do with some slight improvements still I think

some of these sightlines feel suuper long too compared to most normandy maps

Maybe I just havent played in a while

[glossy echo]

Why did you kill me i had an insane killstreak

[novel geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-tongue-shaking-gif-1214800249503457963

[glossy echo]

https://tenor.com/view/enojado-gif-6930705070173779193

Also some of the water should be able to walk through

Its annoying to have to walk across the map to get to other side

[analog helm]

downloading with my phone...

[wheat wasp]

i'd even go so far as to say the allies and axis need swiming lessons.

[analog helm]

hopefully this map is "OG HLL maps tier"

t17 cant be doing bad maps only amiright

[wheat wasp]

https://klipy.com/gifs/take-your-clothes-off-paulie

[analog helm]

i mean, you know their guys like doing it, but the result vs og maps is meh at best. OG maps were goated obviously

[wheat wasp]

what maps were there? and why they remove them

[analog helm]

yes. What ?

[azure heath]

It's an open area tbf

[azure heath]

They didn't remove/redo too many OG maps

Carentan, SME, SMDM, and Utah are typically considered "OG"

[wheat wasp]

ahh

👍

[hard whale]

So how is the new map going

And the armor changes

[glossy echo]

7/10 juno

Too many drowning spots and invisible walls

And you can't hear anything either

[hard whale]

I see

[wheat wasp]

are there any new uniforms and helmets for the game 👀

[glossy echo]

Think so maybe I hope so maybe

[pine ember]

Canadian ones

[wheat wasp]

https://klipy.com/gifs/flightreacts-high-lazer

[pine ember]

And they look better than expected

[covert elbow]

Honestly suprised they didn’t do this because it’s litteraly what Omaha has

[pine ember]

New German cosmetics would suck

[covert elbow]

Like just make a version on June 6th and one for D-Day+

[wheat wasp]

yeah prob, they don't really do a good job with the german uniforms unfortunatly.

[covert elbow]

Nah that’s a good thing gamer. Walkable rivers really kills a maps flow

Their obstacles for a reason

[unkempt hearth]

they're

[azure heath]

i will be canadian spotter all the time

[pine ember]

Thats not the point, we simply have too much of them... It looks like a clownfest or a group of mercenaries, not the Wehrmacht

[azure heath]

they got lanchester

[covert elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-manhattan-gif-18899941

[glossy echo]

You can't jump down on land without being underwater and die when you're a meter from land

[covert elbow]

Really wish they kept it to level 9 assault. It’s weird to see it at such a low level on assault and for the spotter

[covert elbow]

What?

[pine ember]

Where is the P14 rifle?

[covert elbow]

God what I wouldn’t give for a uniform toggle

[unkempt hearth]

hockey stick melee weapon when

[pine ember]

Same

[lucid tusk]

Beach commando units did use the lanchester so im happy its there

[glossy echo]

There is boat and I jumped down on gray metal slopes near land and I fell down and couldn't get up

[pine ember]

People run virgin pee dot when they could run chad rolled up sleeves

[azure heath]

i hope team select screen is temporary

[pine ember]

Thats what a German warrior looks like

[glossy echo]

Same

[wheat wasp]

true true, but i also think they need to refresh the german uniforms, i mean they remodeled some german heads, so it can't be impossible for them to refresh them.

[lucid tusk]

Anyone able to get pictures of the Canadian loadouts and cosmetics? Im out of town this weekend

[azure heath]

no

[glossy echo]

Remember to upvote my post in #1479100453147906078

[pine ember]

Yes totally, but I will never forgive them for ruining Alfred... But especially the Heer smocks need work

[wheat wasp]

real, they gave poor Alfred to much pervitin 😔

[unkempt hearth]

i miss alfred and albert

[pine ember]

They just ruined his young but old, innocent but guilty face... he was the perfect portrayal of most German soldiers back then

[novel geyser]

I can send u pics

[pine ember]

GIVE US OLD ALFRED BACK!!! AND ALBERT!!!

[wheat wasp]

yeah, and now he's just a crack addict

[pine ember]

He just looks like a different person now

[glossy echo]

Me too?😊

Please celdis I want some pictures

[covert elbow]

Come join the historical society cause we do have it

[lucid tusk]

The historical society?

[covert elbow]

Yes

Here

https://discord.com/channels/316459644476456962/1435507327762436107

[tender frigate]

Excited to jump on the experimental branch this evening. I had no idea Juno Beach was a planned map release, awesome

[honest hull]

me too

[tender frigate]

I would love for Sword Beach to be the next D Day map. Ouistreham with the Free French Commandos would be goated

[unkempt hearth]

I want Caen or Pegasus Bridge before another beach map

maybe Cherbourg

[honest hull]

@novel geyser send me pictures of juno beach in private pls

[tender frigate]

Pegasus bridge could feature as final objective point in a Juno Beach map, if it was D-Day H hour which would be awesome

[unkempt hearth]

i am here to tell you, sadly, that it is not in the map

[novel geyser]

Pegasus bridge is nowhere near Juno beach

[unkempt hearth]

also what about a Southern France map

where my Operation Dragoon hoes at

[nova pivot]

🫂

[novel geyser]

Pegasus bridge was close to sword beach but I dont think its close enough to fit on a HLL map

[nova pivot]

I miss Pavlovs house

[tender frigate]

Aw sorry I meant Sword l, that's my bad. Been a looong day
Anyway, you had best believe I will be listening to the longest day soundtrack

[unkempt hearth]

bum bum bum buuuuuuuuuum

[novel geyser]

and Juno gets about 5 seconds of screentime in that film 💔

[arctic rampart]

Guys why is て form so difficult?

Or difficult to remember, I should say.

[unkempt hearth]

Why not a Kasserine Pass map?

[arctic rampart]

Why not a Courland Pocket map? https://militaryheritagetourism.info/en/military/topics/view/92?lang=en

[unkempt hearth]

that would be sick

[honest hull]

band of brohters

[unkempt hearth]

Odessa 😭

[arctic rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1036120241366896691/1499816387001061436/image.png?ex=69f62c5b&is=69f4dadb&hm=6671a15ce64b99dd5d79505384e6c1d0e7d0013dfb0e7a8887301c9bd72a241f&
Broo! That's where I live today! 🤯

[tender frigate]

Vive le France

[honest hull]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1036120241366896691/1499816387001061436/image.png?ex=69f62c5b&is=69f4dadb&hm=6671a15ce64b99dd5d79505384e6c1d0e7d0013dfb0e7a8887301c9bd72a241f&

[unkempt hearth]

has anyone ever seen the film Overlord from 1975?

[arctic rampart]

何？

[honest hull]

what?

[tender frigate]

No actually, good?

[unkempt hearth]

phenomenal

[arctic rampart]

Why'd you just repost my image? XD

[honest hull]

i dont no xdd

[unkempt hearth]

personally i like war movies that are less about actual combat and show you what life was like around the war itself, not directly in it. Overlord does a great job showing you the build up to D-Day and the psychological state of soldiers getting ready to go

[arctic rampart]

I love tv series, anime, cartoons, movies about survival in weird catastrophical situations. Zombies, aliens idgaf. But show me the survival and mystery part and not the 'save the day' part.

[unkempt hearth]

https://youtu.be/J7TJea3S160?si=6Y0pMRvZlx2g8P1t

[tender frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/captain-america-ill-add-it-to-the-list-chris-evans-gif-16523059

[covert otter]

do u guys think the vietnam game is better than this one or no, i did not get the chance to play

[unkempt hearth]

I really liked the playtest! There were some major issues, there were some changes that are a bit controversial, but I think the final release for Vietnam is gonna be extremely fun

[covert otter]

The first week better be full of people yelling about them in the trees or im refunding it 😂

[drifting matrix]

Which channel is for reporting bugs found on the dev branch

[arctic rampart]

It was a test, it's nowhere close to current HLL. The base is 1:1, just looks different, but comes with a boat load of bugs, performance issues etc.

Nothing to currently write home about.

[hasty cosmos]

Test server, I heard that hitting a medium tank from the front with an anti-tank weapon requires four shots, is that true?

[arctic rampart]

They've received our feedback now and when the next test comes we'll see how much they fix.

[drifting matrix]

Is #1479100453147906078 where I go to report bugs?

For the Juno beach

[arctic rampart]

That's one place and I believe they had a separate form you could fill out

[drifting matrix]

Hmm okay I'll just throw in the thing I found there

[arctic rampart]

Yup, found it: https://forms.office.com/pages/responsepage.aspx?id=KxUs4Nede0CwVbQbs4SkAk8G15DF7G5AqASHTy05uY5UQlZENFNCOVI3VERPREdSMEdPRjhCNk1NMy4u&route=shorturl

It's in this post, before the YTer content https://www.hellletloose.com/blog/dev-brief-217-juno-beach

[tribal cosmos]

is juno on the playest if so no servers are showing up for myself and a couple of friends

[unkempt hearth]

try to change your filter settings to allow official servers

[proven grove]

Haven't been able to join a match in years. Have lived in multiple states and always had good interent. Interestingly I have not been able to join a match since I left a bad review and I've done every fix possible. Either I'm shadowbanned from the game or there's something wrong that I have no idea. I have uninstalled and installed the game well over a dozen times at this point. Every 2 months I'll try and join matches for 1-2 hours and nothing. It will either sit on the joining match screen forever or it'll kick me after 20 minutes saying the connection does not work. I never had an issue with this game untill I left a bad review on steam. I had over 650hrs in the game before this happened as well. Has this happened to anyone else or is there some wild little thing that is breaking the game

[past veldt]

Is the game installed on an SSD or HDD?

[proven grove]

ssd

[tribal cosmos]

i have its set to show all nothing is coming up iv set it to just official and still nothing is showed

[past veldt]

Have you got another one to try?

[proven grove]

I did that

[past veldt]

Weird. Could try clearing steam cache

[proven grove]

I've verified the game probably 50 times at this point, it's been an issue for 3 years now

[proven grove]

done that too

[unkempt hearth]

have you tried installing fortnight?

[past veldt]

Firewall?

[proven grove]

Turned it all off trying to get in a few times now didn't fix it

[past veldt]

Sheesh. Those three things fix it 99% of the time 😄

@river rover might be able to help

[proven grove]

yup, at the point I don't know what other fix it could be or I think they legit shadow banned me for leaving a bad review, It all started happening the day after I left a bad review when they changed a lot of the graphics

[past veldt]

I doubt it's a shadow ban. Loads of people would have noticed it by now if it was

https://support.team17.com/hell-let-loose/en/articles/319035-lost-connection-to-host

[visual niche]

Could also DM @plush kettle and see if they have any suggestions

[tender frigate]

They cooked with this one, Juno Beach is awesome

[unkempt hearth]

its giving company of heroes opposing fronts

[thin scarab]

Also think They cooked with the Juno map

[arctic rampart]

Rare T17 W moment?

[lavish sparrow]

T17 can I please filter out the Canadians. It would be a good accessibility setting

[novel geyser]

what do you mean

[past veldt]

Find it weird they disabled the Explore mode on the PTE

[novel geyser]

yeah they really need to let us use it

I think they want to fill the servers up for proper playtesting and stop people just jumping on to look at the map in explore

but it would be very helpful to be able to use explore

[past veldt]

I mean, it hasn't worked

I downloaded it, saw Explore was disabled, and hopped off

and there isn't a full server 😄

[novel geyser]

lol

[dusty bolt]

Glow’s has a server now open for testing/exploring for Juno 🙂

[glossy echo]

Nice

[past veldt]

Seed Glows PTE

[thin lotus]

i will not seed ur server

🙂‍↔️

[arctic rampart]

Who tf unironically seeds servers?

[dusty bolt]

[bleak mantle]

Is there a team or crew lfg discord for Hll

[glad parrot]

So, how’s Juno lads?

[glossy echo]

Good but invisible walls are pain in the butthole

[glad parrot]

Well, how predictable 😂😂

Absolute pain in the 4ss

[glossy echo]

I couldn't even move to a op a few meters away then they spawned and I got killed because of it

[glad parrot]

Christ sake, god help these predictable, out of depth devs

[glossy echo]

At least it ran better than smolensk

[glad parrot]

So Juno stutters?

[glossy echo]

Only maybe like 2 times a minute

[glad parrot]

Judging by people’s thoughts on the Vietnam beta, it sounds horrifically worrying

[glossy echo]

Performance was way better in juno beach

Got 60+ fps a lot of the time

[glad parrot]

I just see this dense foliage, and I think there’s no way this game will run somewhat decent on my series x

[glossy echo]

Looks like smolesnks foliage🤢

[glad parrot]

Unreal engine just isn’t it clearly

[glossy echo]

At least in this map its not 20 fps all the time

[glossy echo]

Source 2

[glad parrot]

Idec, about graphics massively, just want a smoothly running game

[glad parrot]

Source 2.5

[glossy echo]

It reminds me of terrible performance

[glad parrot]

Fvck I miss battlefield bad company vietnam

Why I’m hyped for this, but I’m 30:70 on it being an absolute failure

[glossy echo]

Wait 5 years until squad vietnam comes out

[glossy echo]

I can say a thing but not publicly

[glad parrot]

Ha, I’m not a PC player unfortunately

[glossy echo]

Can I dm you

[glad parrot]

And never will be

Because I’m loyal to console

[glad parrot]

Sure

[grizzled inlet]

What does a machine gunner do on a Friday evening, I'm about to find out

[glossy echo]

@midnight salmon it is balanced because brits has a laser beam called sten mk2 even if the germans has a G43

[glossy echo]

Camp on friendly garries

[grizzled inlet]

cool game, love the dramatic and derilect sceneries, just learning how to be stealth

[glossy echo]

Try out the new map juno beacg

[robust lynx]

Is there a milsim group for this game?

[arctic rampart]

Possibly? A lil roleplay-ish, but I doubt it's very popular

[frank musk]

Anyone on Xbox wanna adopt a fella?

[tacit elm]

you wont find it here

[glossy echo]

Sanchez

[tacit elm]

try to stay at least 150-200m away from the frontlines cause machine gunner is pretty vulnerable in aspects such as close quarters

it has a pistol and all but pistols take multiple shots whereas you could easily get overwhelmed by fire superiority from semi autos or full autos

find elevated spots and pick off enemies from there. suppressive fire is a mistake and it'll just expose ur position

firing at the enemy will too but at least you'll have an impact on the game so the trade is worth it. that is if the enemy actually bothers noticing you

[arctic rampart]

Bug on a roof
Windows zoom
Profit

[stuck wigeon]

Is there a decent way to get class xp now that you can't just slap down some nodes and switch classes

Doing a full 20,000 point game and only getting 350 XP for the support is devastating

[past veldt]

So you can just build nodes and switch class. Afaik, nothing has changed.

Secondly, the bigger XP number for your overall level comes from your squads score, and the lower XP number for just your class is your score. If you're only getting 350xp a game, you're really just not participating in the game. You should be getting more than that just from being alive across a 90 minute game, let alone all the support and combat score

[stuck wigeon]

man it was a 23 kill game defending the midpoint with like 3 other dudes because our team did not believe in defense

but its good to know the nodes are still a working method

[arctic rampart]

350xp? Were you afk?
Like really bad games are 1-4k, best I've gotten was 10k iirc

[stuck wigeon]

yea thats why im confused

spent basically the entire game on the midpoint due to it constantly being contested

[arctic rampart]

How much normal xp did you get?

[stuck wigeon]

20,000

[past veldt]

What's steam name, i want to see if i can find the game on rcon

[arctic rampart]

ooh, I wanna know too

[past veldt]

350xp just doesn't make sense 😄

[stuck wigeon]

CRAB.

[past veldt]

Mortain?

[stuck wigeon]

yea

[arctic rampart]

238 combat score

pepega

[stuck wigeon]

23 kills 😔

[past veldt]

You should have gotten 1,543 XP

There are some visual bugs with the XP bar, but i've never heard of one about it showing less XP

BUT i wouldn't be surprised if one did exist

[stuck wigeon]

I would've been happy with 1000 lol

[arctic rampart]

You probably did. Just visually didn't see it. But this is also the first time I'm hearing of such a thing

Who knows, play another game sooner or later and see what happens. Then, report back soldier.

[covert elbow]

Like how MilSim are you talking about?

[stuck wigeon]

yea knowing this, I'll play a few more games, see how it goes

[glossy echo]

Was this on new map

[arctic rampart]

Lockai, read the chat

[cerulean rock]

Hey quick question when did the artillery group get added i feel old T^T

[stuck wigeon]

Was on mortain, newish I guess?

[glossy echo]

Oh ok I was wondering if it was on juno beach

[arctic rampart]

Update 19, somewhere around start of 2026

[cerulean rock]

Oh tanks

[past veldt]

December, i think

[arctic rampart]

https://www.hellletloose.com/blog/update-19-changelog

[past veldt]

Honestly find it insane we're only on Update 19

Soviets got released with U11 I think, and that was Summer 2021. I started with U7 in Summer 2020 😄

8 updates in 5 years is an insanely low cadence

[arctic rampart]

Over the years of playing, I haven't felt too big of a difference in the whole gameplay loop. Most matches feel quite same-y to me.
But maybe that's just cause I'm looking at the situation from my PoV of knowing everything everywhere and been here for every update

[stuck wigeon]

I was talking with some friends yesterday how that's one of the main things I wish they did better

It feels like it's 2 maps a year

[past veldt]

Not even just maps. Utah is still my favourite map despite playing so many games on it

But like, U19 was SPAs, Artillery changes, and Smolensk. Just update more frequently and give me those in 3 different updates yknow? 😄

[arctic rampart]

Damn, now that I think about it.. I don't even know which is my favourite map

[past veldt]

The only reason I've played for so long is because I very deliberately changed my playstyle in tournaments from frontline SL to Logi

[arctic rampart]

Yeah, I swap strats as well to feel a bit fresher once in a while. I still take a few months break every year to play other games. Been a pretty nice triangle between hll, reforger and now Arc Raiders.

I know I can always come back and know everything like the back of my hand.

Same goes for Reforger, but I feel like that gets even less updates, not to mention the list of issues in community servers

[grizzled inlet]

@tacit elm Oh they definitely took notice lol the machine gun was whisteling shots at them, it's difficult, I lasted about 45 mins before they discovered me or could get a shot in, kept moving.. I dug into a row of bushes and watched the crew run for their lives.. that's something I'd really like to perfect.. the thing about running into a battle scene though, there's already snipers setup waiting to pick you off, but we couldn;t select the machine gunner for that server

[past veldt]

Tbf, I don't really play any other FPS games so when I want to run around and shoot stuff, HLL fills the need for me

[arctic rampart]

Stardew valley's been kind of busssssin lately

[tacit elm]

what map were you playing?

[past veldt]

For MG, you want to get height early. If you can be 300-400m away and high up then it's harder for them to pinpoint you quickly

[grizzled inlet]

I foeget, it's on my other pc