mess-hall

[cedar ore]

doesnt seem like they will be

[honest hull]

.

[cedar ore]

looks like its alot of british stuff

[dense shell]

I think it’ll be more fast tanks at the cost of armor or firepower or something

[heady escarp]

They should, I mean, Irl they had just Americans weapons, Thomson, Shermans, Bar

[cedar ore]

no there was a lot of british weapons used and produced by canada

[covert elbow]

Yes. The Canadians were supplied and issued basically the same exact as the other commonwealth forces. I know they had a couple of unique vehicles but there’s not much to differentiate them from the Brit’s

[heady escarp]

No? What did they use then 😂

[dense shell]

I’m just waiting to drop $40 this year to be a pilot 🙂

[cedar ore]

yeah i was there mate

fought the germans with nothing but my fists

[covert elbow]

P14 doesn’t fit anywhere in the game except as in a sniper configuration. Could be cool to see the Lanchester come back as like the level 9 for assault and make it the “commando” loadout but other then that zilch

[dense shell]

I could be wrong but most of the Canadians vehicles produced were anti air weaponry I think

[heady escarp]

Yes, and trucks, more trucks than anyone, but that's about it

[covert elbow]

No clue on my part

[cedar ore]

thats fair, it would be interesting to see them come back but i can understand why they wouldnt

[dense shell]

Could you imagine no tanks just trucks with slightly more armor lol

[worthy charm]

Thats never gonna happen dude

[heady escarp]

😂 trucks with cannons xd

[dense shell]

Like some of the war thunder tanks are just trucks with 80mm cannons lol

[covert elbow]

Apparently the Helicopter experience is pretty bad so I wouldn’t hold out hope

[heady escarp]

Yep, or anti aircraft

[cedar ore]

could technically do something like that with a half track

[dense shell]

Didn’t say I’d be a good pilot just a pilot

[covert elbow]

Im still so baffled by the original British faction. That was defintly a sign to come

[heady escarp]

I mean, something different they may have, yes. But as weaponry, they used bars and Thomsons, I think even the M1 Garand. Although I'm.not sure

[cedar ore]

from what im seeing it was actually mainly enfields interestingly

[heady escarp]

Oh well, you may be pretty right

[cedar ore]

but again it does make sense as they were a large manufacturer for alot of the weapons also used by the british

so brens, enfields, yes thompsons

[heady escarp]

What I mean is, it will be weapons we already have.

But there isn't much left to add in game. Maybe the Italians had different stuff but even them had tanks from Germany

[cedar ore]

i just hope its not a complete copy of the british tbh

[covert elbow]

They used Brens, not BARS. And they used Thompsons but that was mainly during the first couple years of the war. By 1944 you’d see some Thompsons hanging around but 90+% of the SMG’s would have most likely been Sten Guns

[dense shell]

I do wish next faction we get is Italians, it would be nice if every game wasn’t fighting Germans or being Germans

[cedar ore]

i love playing the british but theyre talking about it as if its something new so yeah

[cedar ore]

was just thinking that

[analog blade]

Italians vs Greeks

[covert elbow]

Only way that’d work would be as a sub faction for a multi-faction team layout, something that’s not going to happen

[honest hull]

where areyou from?

[heady escarp]

That would go hard. Lol

[cedar ore]

uk

[covert elbow]

The Italians simply didn’t have enough modern weapons or vehicles to fight.

[honest hull]

good i'm hungary

[cedar ore]

what.

[heady escarp]

https://tenor.com/view/new-zealand-tanks-bob-semple-tank-gif-24607518

[honest hull]

???

[dense shell]

Only reason I say Italians is because we all know we’re never getting Japan 🙁

[heady escarp]

Do you think this ain't modern?

[cedar ore]

whys it good im from the uk lmao?

[honest hull]

i from hungary

[dense shell]

And I don’t really know who else we would get because everyone was just lend lease from Germany

[cedar ore]

im confused

[heady escarp]

Basically

[analog blade]

Im hungry too mate

[honest hull]

nothing

[heady escarp]

There's not much to get in game about factions. That's it. Just Japanese but that's a whole other game

[honest hull]

bruhh

[honest hull]

Bro, I'm from the country.

[cedar ore]

im hungry too mate

[honest hull]

..

stop pls

[dense shell]

Yeah you better stop or hungry will become hangry (sorry mate it was right there)

[honest hull]

Are you going to be hungry?

[dense shell]

Currently sitting down to eat lol so yes

[honest hull]

xdd

[vast sail]

I Just had some sweets, Panzerschokolade.

[cosmic pilot]

This is historically accurate.

[dense shell]

It’s not exactly correct but I could see winter war maybe as map

So Finnish vs Russia

Spitballing here

Oh or Germany vs Germany towards the end of the war

[worthy charm]

Wait!

[dense shell]

Waiting

[worthy charm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/363877549534740480/1455573340315058257/Absolute-Huk.gif

perfection

[dense shell]

Finnish… it all makes sense

[worthy charm]

Thats top 5 puns of this discord

[dense shell]

Secret leaker

[worthy charm]

the other top 4 are all from altberg

[dense shell]

I still wonder if we would get Vichy France

Or free France

[grizzled sapphire]

He has a point ngl

Nothing can truly be finnished

[dense shell]

Unless the Finnish is in it

[grizzled sapphire]

#CTAftw

[worthy charm]

More puns

[cosmic pilot]

I resent this remark

[worthy charm]

Sorry but you cant compare to his magnificent aura

[cosmic pilot]

I how could you forget apeman "I will mark the day on the calendar you post meme that is actually funny"

[worthy charm]

Who was that again?

Wasnt he banned before I got mod?

Not even sure

[cosmic pilot]

You sweet summer child

[worthy charm]

Was he worse than you?

[cosmic pilot]

Possibly

[dense shell]

We can change that very quickly

Good boy

[worthy charm]

You can do that in #console-general-chat

[dense shell]

My homeland the console general chat

[worthy charm]

Truely a channel that is worse than offtopic

[cosmic pilot]

No access?

[worthy charm]

and I say that with kane being in offtopic

[obtuse dragon]

Is it me or every 1 or 2 updates the dev do changes to armor

[worthy charm]

Not really

We didnt had any changes for years

[dense shell]

Gotta spice it up somehow

[worthy charm]

and not we had 2 updates in a row with reworks

though the U19 tank changes were only recon related

[cedar ore]

if thats not 1st i need to see the other 4

[hardy hawk]

are there any other servers for farming besides Bob the Builder?

[worthy charm]

Maybe top10... I exaggerated a bit

[worthy charm]

I wouldnt know any

[cedar ore]

ok i need to see top 10

because thats a great pun

[worthy charm]

@oak current Give me puns or give me death.

[oak current]

death it is

[worthy charm]

https://klipy.com/gifs/dies-cat-2--k01KQAH1X4BQDCCZV5DQ6ZCHFJK

[oak current]

you didnt think that one thorugh, did ya

[cosmic pilot]

I definitely hold the slot for top 5 censored posts

[molten sail]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1320450047002939428/1494429809315414169/attachment.gif

[dense shell]

My grandpa destroyed 12 German planes during World War 2

|| I can proudly say that he was, without a doubt, the single worst mechanic in the history of Luftwaffe ||

Someone’s probably heard that one before

[finite berry]

Yes

[dense shell]

Well I tried

[warm crypt]

why is this game so hard

[odd belfry]

more original than the my grandpa killed hitler joke at least

[dense shell]

🙂

[real parrot]

why does everyone has a cat as their pf

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-thurston-waffles-meow-gif-15637283

[oak current]

https://tenor.com/bpNRb.gif

[warped hill]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-tongue-cat-cats-ahh-excited-gif-11052788973622876130

[woven loom]

Did the server get nuked?

<@&365680483276816385>

[cyan saddle]

discord doing discord things

[broken jolt]

Tfkisoingon?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CliKn-yfkdg

This is so gonna die. Get ready

[arctic rampart]

I'm not allowed to post a pic of Broken Arrow, but this mfer posting movie clips?

[frank cloud]

redownloading hll on steam after having a 11-12 month hiatus

[novel geyser]

bro pinged the moderators over a discord issue 😶

[river rover]

ℹ️ Nvidia Game Ready Driver 596.36 WHQLℹ️
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/drivers/details/267256/

[worthy charm]

Truely hilarious

Pinging Clown would have been enough

He fixed it asap

[fair robin]

think i might play it tn too been about a year or more also

[glossy echo]

What do you think about junior beach

[grizzled inlet]

Had good fun last night, lasted about 10 minutes before a bullet to the head

If I could have selected machine gunner I could have wiped them out

[glossy echo]

Played juno beach early?

[grizzled inlet]

@glossy echo not yet, I'm only getting into Steam gaming in my 50's, got HLL the other night, sold the ps5

[glossy echo]

Nice job bro, also it was only a joke as juno beach is a map that will get playtested on this weekend

[grizzled inlet]

oh

like an extra map or something

[glossy echo]

Yes

[grizzled inlet]

defo gonna have a game tonight

they wouldn;t let you select machine gunner or sniper, yet your crew is running across a field and some nazi is just picking them off, I felt it was a perfect oportunity to have a gunner hidden somewhere backing the crew up

[glossy echo]

You can only be one role per squad except rifleman.so if you join aswuad with less people you can be mg

[grizzled inlet]

ahh

[covert elbow]

Are rifle squads still only 6 people in Vietnam?

[glossy echo]

Idk

If it helps

[bleak mantle]

Yo im gonna buy the game but are the dlcs a must?

[glossy echo]

No

Only cosmetic stuff and best camo isn't dlc

[bleak mantle]

Ah so its only cosmetic

[glossy echo]

Yes, maps are in the original game

[bleak mantle]

Aight thx

[analog helm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=On0afcq1TIY

[tall kettle]

❕** STEAM MAINTENANCE** ❕
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[forest sparrow]

Will we get new German uniforms and helmets in Juno beach

[slate canopy]

Unknown

[novel geyser]

probably

[worthy charm]

Maybe

[azure heath]

Possibly

[echo karma]

@wooden cloud great video bro

[nocturne valve]

what does canadian forces add?

[slate canopy]

Canadian forces.

[nocturne valve]

https://tenor.com/view/drake-travis-scott-логично-logical-gif-21220069

like new weapons ?

[slate canopy]

We don't know the details lol

[nocturne valve]

kk

[slate canopy]

Maybe play the PTE when it comes out? 😉

"We'll be dropping a dev brief on Thursday with information on what you can expect in the playtest"

[nocturne valve]

cant be bothered to practically download the whole game again haha

[slate canopy]

It's only like... 10 GB worth

You do the Beta version of the game.

Not the actual PTE separate version in your account

In the game settings.

[shy reef]

will hell let loose Vietnam have proton support like hell let loose?

[slate canopy]

Proton support?

This is like you're 3rd time posting that. 😒

[shy reef]

proton for linux

[slate canopy]

I don't know linux. Technically, there isn't explicit Linux support for WW2, but it does work 🤷‍♀️

[shy reef]

yeah I remember the road map from years ago, said they were gonna add support for proton linux, I would hope they would do it for this game, looks really cool

[wooden cloud]

Thanks man. Hopefully next test is a little more done!

[echo karma]

Yeah someone in comments says open beta soon. Idk. The b roll footage looks horrible imo.

Like motion blur on by default bad

Guns and animations looks good tho. And bipod works 1st try

[wooden cloud]

It doesn’t help that the b roll footage was recorded from different people at different resolutions on different machines lol

Would have been better if we just recorded

[echo karma]

Yeah looked like 30fps barely

And there's a like brown filter on everything worse than hll fog

Also saw corn in Vietnam and kinda triggered ngl

@slate canopy ban the bot

[wooden cloud]

I laughed when I saw “Panthers destroyed” in my end of round stats

[echo karma]

Yeah idk the tank choice. Seems odd. Where veitcong get tanks from?

I get for sake of balance but like cmon. Plus 5 rockets to kill is a bit of a joke

[tall kettle]

❕** STEAM MAINTENANCE NOW ENDING** ❕
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Steam maintenance has now ended but some issues may still remain until a game restart

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• False Bans
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[echo karma]

I wonder how ttk feels too with automatics being rampant and GLs everywhere

Hll ttk is in a good spot imo. Not milsim not battlefield just good

Hitreg is mostly fixed too

There's also a limit on smgs and automatics per squad too. But with V everyone will have one so..

[strange gust]

Has anyone gotten their actual invite to the closed beta for Vietnam? I’ve only been put on the waitlist and wondering if some people got the actual invite yet or if we’re all waiting

[echo karma]

Plus grenades and GLs. I didn't see any hedges on that map either. All bushes you can crouch in. Like mortain2.0

Looks deceptively open. Not unlike how map design is in hll

[stone dagger]

Why does everybody give up when they go down as a medic it’s kinda annoying i just want a cinematic clip

[echo karma]

Also not a fan of the 3d map either. Very distracting

Reckon we'll see in a month or so when open beta. Launch must be soon no?

Anyone cover juno? I watch glow stream but it's just pub games

[slate canopy]

Closed beta is already done.

[echo karma]

Probably should go read the tos buddy

[covert elbow]

Man they really just reused everything for Vietnam haha

[echo karma]

Low tier ragebate

[covert elbow]

I don’t expect much but a I thought they’d at least make new UI and menus for the game

[echo karma]

We ain't talking about teleporting tunnels either lol

[slate canopy]

Again, it passed. Doesn't matter.

[echo karma]

That just sounds incredibly broken. Like US will never win period

[scarlet rose]

Hey I'm a new player

Yes I'm down

[echo karma]

I mean OPs are one thing but a tunnel to teleport to the other side of the battlefield from HQ is busted op

[scarlet rose]

K

[slate canopy]

Open is open.

[echo karma]

Hit me with it chum

[thin lotus]

☝️🤓
Um, but the NVA did have tunnels

[echo karma]

Yes and they were very extensive. What won em the war tbf

[thin lotus]

so now it makes total sense how you can just chain teleports, i mean, tunnel entrances, together

Stellar gameplay

[echo karma]

I also didn't see any pillboxes either

No bunker esq systems

[static granite]

Does anything make you not complain?

[echo karma]

Can you read?

[real parrot]

Imagine you launch a grenade to a tunel and it teleports to the other side

[echo karma]

Funny Germans invented it 1st

Tunnel system sounds like a change that had zero play testing or thought from t17 yet again. Also just pure dumb. 15 tunnels for free? Recon go brr

[static granite]

It’s a beta 😂

[echo karma]

Yeah US get a chopper but nva can teleport to objectives

[echo karma]

Clearly not even thought out as hll is limited to 8 garrisons

Here's double that plus OPs. And US gets 2 choppers technically one for troop transport

Cool idea for reforger not tiny hll maps

[scenic nacelle]

Adding Japanese or Italian to axis would be ELECTRIC

[real parrot]

Did someone said PACIFIC?

[echo karma]

Indy dev company

[toxic ibex]

HELLDAD was here 🔥

[tight trout]

Look forward to play with console players

[covert elbow]

Aleutian island campaign confirmed?

[analog apex]

I am looking forward to kick their butts for free without any effort needed 😄 . PCs with mouse & keyboard will always be superior to the consoles.

If they want it so much, ok whatever... let them then.

I would highly doubt that.

Since even most of PC guys can't.

[finite berry]

Nah, I'm with ma boi Sam here, he'd win ❤️

Doubt

[hazy owl]

I can imagine a different playstyle on consoles compared to PC.. especially peaking corners and hedges.. we are glued to the screen to hit that pixel..

playing cmd, driving a tank, piloting a heli, etc will be okay

[nova pivot]

No more hedgerows please

[hazy owl]

I think the jungle is even worse as you cannot see 5 meters ahead of you.. it's like walking in the forrest on Hill400 or Hurtgen

[royal crypt]

heli is a thing?

[worthy charm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1320450047002939428/1498695804334903338/attachment.gif

[hazy owl]

yes there is a heli but they need to fix it as it is too easy to take down 😄

[royal crypt]

any major difference in gameplay?

or is it mostly HLL in vietnam

[hazy owl]

pretty much

[finite berry]

Are fire modes a thing now?

[hazy owl]

Vietnam will be fundamentally different as the tunnels and helicopters break the def/off line

[royal crypt]

manual digging?

[finite berry]

No

[hazy owl]

I personally thing the best games are where you form a line as a team and keep uniformly pushing.. Vietnam will be a chaos..

[royal crypt]

ah that woulda been an epic feature^^. Tunnels with entrances marked for VC only.

[finite berry]

^^

[royal crypt]

As a vietnamese i will be fine

[hazy owl]

tunnels are like molehills which you enter and teleport elsewhere

[royal crypt]

but like a commander feature?

so you can decide where it goes?

[hazy owl]

I didn't have a chance to try but I think SLs can do it too.. and when the entrances are close enough each other you can create a network so you can potentially teleport across half the map

[royal crypt]

ah okay that sounds neat

[worthy charm]

yes

but they matter about as much as bayonet charges

[royal crypt]

not enough open space?

[worthy charm]

Dont do it

[finite berry]

That's what I feared

[worthy charm]

He did it

[worthy charm]

I mean its still HLL, not that its not obvious

Its the same as bipods for Bar and FG42

Nice but pointless

[royal crypt]

dpends if there are open space areas than firemode for full auto weapons is certainly nice

[hazy owl]

HLL is suffering from not enough people defending and literally a couple of people can take a point.. these tunnels and vertical form of transport will scatter players across the map making it probably even worse.. the maps are the same size but there are only 50 players a side.. I think these game design decisions will make the game feel even more as a running simulator.. we'll see how the meta forms but those are my predictions based on my HLL experience

[novel geyser]

Maybe if they gave hll some gunplay™

[worthy charm]

That tm is so mean

[royal crypt]

not sure, i come from squad as well and anything in HLL is a cakewalk anyway

even if i have to run across the whole map, that´s like 1 percent of the time if squad has no spawn ppint

[hazy owl]

but that's why I play HLL.. it's not Squad, it's not BF, ...

[finite berry]

I assume you can just one-tap instead of switching firemode

[royal crypt]

yup but it´s already much better in downtime

[analog apex]

I actually used it and switched to semi-auto each time when I wanted to shoot very long range hits while being safe. It proved useful, at least with M16 which in fullAuto shoots too fast.

[hazy owl]

If I want realism I go outside touch the grass 😄

[finite berry]

I feel that so much lol

[royal crypt]

it doesnt need to be 0 downtime

[royal crypt]

well we already achhieaved less realism, imo hll was very fine.

if squad is 10 in realism hll was always a 1 already, and that´s fine.

[hazy owl]

where does ARMA land on that scale? 😄

[royal crypt]

50

[worthy charm]

Squad is a 10?

Like wow

[royal crypt]

i also play dcs which is 500

[worthy charm]

That scale is broken

[fallow swift]

back in the game after a while,why are all official servers empty?

[worthy charm]

https://klipy.com/gifs/matrix-the-1--k01KQC99VCHGEN9YSGQQEVQ5X1G

[fallow swift]

tell me pleaase

[novel geyser]

Official servers stinky poopoo

[worthy charm]

You shouldnt play official servers

Why would you even do such a terrible thing

[royal crypt]

so i liked the max downtime of HLL, and that was only with if verything goes south.

If i play SL which i always do you usually dont have no nearby spawnpoints

[worthy charm]

If you dont want to have fun, just play medic

No need to make it even worse

[analog apex]

official servers infested with cheaters, teamkillers or other kinds of "good" peeps who are not getting punished as there is no server moderation whatsoever

[hazy owl]

because they are not moderated I think and they don't belong to anyone so the hardcore community players have no interest of playing on them.. someone has to enter them first and suffer before it fills up..

[fallow swift]

are there any requirments for community servers?
like discord channel or smth or can i just join random ones?

[royal crypt]

It´s also much cooler to play on language based servers

[worthy charm]

Most of the times no, some have level requirements.

[royal crypt]

just join

[novel geyser]

Nope just join one

[fallow swift]

alr thanks yall

[worthy charm]

Those have them writen in the server title

[analog apex]

No - I bought/created my own testing server a year or 2 ago with no problems.

[novel geyser]

Some might have level requirements but that's it

[hazy owl]

you go play on one server frequently you automatically become part of the community 😄

[royal crypt]

and they have a rservation queue so you better join a server that is not 90 percent full already

[hazy owl]

Official servers only exist for legal purposes 😄

[analog apex]

Yeah, so there couldn't be a situation if there wouldn't be any community servers and then players wouldn't be able to play the game.

[worthy charm]

I dont even think thats the case

people would suggest them wouldnt they be there though

[hazy owl]

They must provide a place to play when you buy the product

I would think

[analog apex]

I think the same.

Imagine right after the release of a game... when there are no community servers yet.

[hazy owl]

That's why you have EU/NA/CN/AU servers with different game modes etc.. I think they have to run them

[latent gust]

You could always self host.

[analog apex]

But we can't.

Not with HLL at least.

I miss the times where in old (not just shooter) games we could make a server as easily as clicking the "Create server" button 😄 .

[latent gust]

Oh, you genuinely have to choose a partnered server host, because the server code isn't public... wasn't even aware of that 🤦‍♂️

There's only the beta server. And unless you're in the beta, there's nothing to see there

[oak current]

if you arent in the beta, you'll at best hear people talk about the beta.

but thats it really for that one, atm 👀

[latent gust]

https://hll-vietnam.firstlook.gg/

There's a "join the discord button"

[slate canopy]

The official part is actually here if you get the Vietnam role. That's for the beta.

[honest hull]

fr?

[finite berry]

Perhaps he has Alzheimer's lol

Checks his emails every day and always wonders why the invite link is already purple 😄

[honest hull]

xddddd

When is Hell Let Loose Vietman coming out on Steam?

[arctic rampart]

On the 1st

[honest hull]

ohh thx

[vale garnet]

Can’t wait to not play it

[gentle lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/fr-lie-gif-9063740662564569899

[arctic rampart]

https://tenor.com/umq8xiije46.gif

[vale garnet]

I don’t think I could be any less excited

Gonna just play bannerlord and wait for everyone to come back to normal HLL

[grizzled sapphire]

Real

[main harness]

@fluid pawn Canada is whatever and all. But can we get info on the armour changes for the weekend?

[past veldt]

I do believe we're getting one tomorrow

[real parrot]

I swear if they don't stop messing with tanks

Im 100% positive they are going to break something again

[heady hornet]

Mediums can now front pen heavy tanks.

[past veldt]

Imagine tanks crying about the 40th update in a year while Commanders still have tooltips being incorrect and abilities just not landing where you placed them

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/gif-gif-15379971984385267012

I just have "small" list of stuff I need

Surely the devs can add what I want over the next 20 updates

[real parrot]

Counterargument: No one likes to play commander regularly anyways

[past veldt]

I do...

[real parrot]

Not for long...

[past veldt]

I played only commander and logi roles for like two years straight in tournaments and events

There was a period I was playing commander in events 4-5 times a week, and I didn't play HLL outside of that

[real parrot]

I'm gping to say, that its the equivalent of being the ball boy tbh

[past veldt]

Nah, I had a Def Logi boy to do the chores for me

[real parrot]

Yeah, still to early to say something, but I don't like the feeling of the game

Its like another BF

[carmine chasm]

and how does it feel to be burned out? because I can tell

[past veldt]

No comment

[slate canopy]

You can chat about that in #off-topic-mess-hall

[past veldt]

(I haven't played competitive stuff in over 3 months)

[real parrot]

I did play some friendly matches recently

It did not went very well, Mainly because we mixed russian and spanish and we were both talking in english

[past veldt]

I'd probably enjoy a match or two every now and again at a lower level if I didn't need to put all the prep time in during the week. That's the bit that really burnt me out

[real parrot]

At least doing the strat was fun

[past veldt]

Like spending double digit hours a week prepping logi stuff, watching VODs, talking to people etc. wasn't great. But I still enjoyed actually playing the game

[real parrot]

I actually like the prep phase, learning about the other team, looking for players, doing the strat, negotiating map and rules, etc

[past veldt]

I remember Mercing for a french team, and only one guy spoke English to me. Poor guy said

'if I speak french, it's not for you. If I speak English, it's for you. If it's both, I panic"

[real parrot]

xd

[past veldt]

I've been doing that stuff since 2021 though. After a while, it's not that fun. I was still finding bugs late last year as well, working out if we can or can't use them etc.

[real parrot]

I've been only doing that for 3 years and 1 as a the head of a clan

[past veldt]

Which team?

[real parrot]

7DV

[carmine chasm]

What actually really bothered me about playing command and logistics roles is how absolutely ungrateful these tasks are. Everything ends up being your fault while you’re doing tedious work the entire match, while the rest can actually shoot and have fun. It really dragged me down, I wouldn’t recommend it. It also took me some time to realize how absolutely terrible the community can be, at least in public games. 🤷‍♂️

[past veldt]

Hmm, on PC? I don't know the name

[real parrot]

Small tanker clan, we play only tanks so are not on any major league by ourselves

[past veldt]

Ahh that makes sense

[real parrot]

Some of us played as Push main tanks back when they were on 2DIV

[real parrot]

Actually, when I played and we won everyone was congratuling the commander, even if he did nothing lol. He was funny tho

[past veldt]

Yeah. It's a solo role. Everything you do is on your own.

For my comp team we were one of the only teams to run an actual logi unit. Commander, Offensive Logi, Defensive Logi, inf Helper. We were a top 3 team for years with that setup, but they don't use this system anymore

It's a lot smoother with a team of players, but it's not possible to do it in public games

[past veldt]

I also Merced for PUSH one game as artillery. Only time I ever turned my artillery gun to fire at my own north HQ 🤣

[carmine chasm]

Never played comp, probably a mistake. As I said, I can't recommend doing it in pub, unless you're masochistic.

[real parrot]

Would say expanding the front by foot and having each SL mounting the respective garrisons would be faster

[real parrot]

Yeah that would be back when Push went down into 8 DIV level but still played on 3 DIV, not their best days for sure, it didn't last long after that

[past veldt]

Off logi did deep redzone.

Def Logi did deep blue zone

Commander floats into whatever needs doing, but now also has time to micromanage the garrison network. It was a lot of fun with the right people

[real parrot]

The first games were a steamroll in the opposite direction tho

[past veldt]

Yeah, I remember people like Villar playing for you

[real parrot]

Biyar doesn't play very often now

He is somewhat burnet from the hacking accusaions

[past veldt]

The guy is insane. We desperately wanted Villar to keep playing for WTH 😅

[real parrot]

Anyways now the best infantry players of the old PUSH are either on the Circle or stoped playing, and the best tankers are either on 7dv or stopped playing too

We are still trying to find a way into some comp as tank mercs, but is fairly harder to do than inf merc

[past veldt]

Yeah, tank crews tend to stick together and move around as a pack

Especially if there's a couple crews together, you kinda have to find a team with zero tanks

[real parrot]

Yeah, or a big enough team that can arrange some matches with our tanks

We have no problem playing inf defensively and building AT guns, since that way we can coordinate and do cool thinks like triple taps, but still so

[vale garnet]

Circle will need tanks all theirs are leaving for TL 😂

[real parrot]

I was considering it, but I sill need to polish my new since the old ones are much less active

[vale garnet]

Some tanks are better than no tanks tbh

[real parrot]

Not so sure abt that haha

But I'm sure even my less experienced TC would be better than no TC

[vale garnet]

Clan hopping kills comp more than anything else but oh well

[warm crypt]

duo

[past veldt]

Everyone and their mothers are leaving for TL

[novel geyser]

from the HLL twitter
not even a canadian variant, I dont think there even is a "canadian variant" the only thing different here really is the T stock compared to the skeleton stock in game, both from my knowlege were used by all commonwealth forces with stens

[glossy echo]

Are there more of these

[novel geyser]

just this so far

[glossy echo]

Ok

[honest hull]

new hll leak

[glossy echo]

Lets go

[novel geyser]

not a leak

[honest hull]

ohh

[novel geyser]

its on their social

[glossy echo]

Still picture

😄

[honest hull]

yes https://x.com/hell_let_loose

Hell Let Loose (@hell_let_loose) on X

Hell Let Loose: Vietnam, coming 2026. 🔥
Play the original WW2 Hell Let Loose today on PC & next gen consoles
Published by @Team17, developed by @ExpressionLtd

X

[novel geyser]

yes, not a leak

[warm crypt]

i have 3 hours and the game, how do i get higher level on rifelman

and how do i know what level i currently am

[honest hull]

@novel geyser Hey, I'm looking at your steam profile and what is squad 44?

[novel geyser]

squad but ww2

[honest hull]

d-day??

[honest hull]

good

[warm crypt]

i have 3 hours and the game, how do i get higher level on rifelman
and how do i know what level i currently am

[novel geyser]

its pretty good, not many players

[honest hull]

pls no spam

[novel geyser]

more in depth than HLL

[warm crypt]

alright so i wrote it two times and no one is answering

[novel geyser]

the level will be displayed next to the role on the barracks
you level up just by playing, if you build nodes as engineer then swap to the class you want to level you get extra passive xp

[honest hull]

good

[honest hull]

okay

[honest hull]

similar to hll?

[novel geyser]

yes, but more hardcore

[honest hull]

ohh

[honest hull]

good good

[lucid tusk]

Maybe its stamped long branch in game? That would be the only real thing that makes it canadian, some people argue the stock being skeletal or wire but longbranch was cranking out both

[novel geyser]

If that was the case it would be the most minute detail
I doubt they'd go that in depth, this is HLL after all

It is nice to see a T stock tho I like the look of those over skeletal/wire but I'd like to see them mixed up with the loadouts rather than it just being one or the other depending on faction

[lucid tusk]

Yeah, dont get me wrong im happy we're getting Canucks but there's really not much you can do with them equipment wise (still hoping for my hawker typhoon precision rocket strike)

[novel geyser]

I dont mind the lack of weapon variety, HLL guns arent in depth enough really most guns feel the same
I just want subfactions

[worthy charm]

You are happy about all the wrong stuff

We should all look forward to the trillion upcoming tank buffs

[oak current]

I'm happy that the luchs gets a Stuka-zu-Fuß-Upgrade and can shoot some rockets now

[novel geyser]

you're dead lil bro go back to the lobby

[oak current]

i mean...what?

[worthy charm]

The Berg killed me

[oak current]

I'd never!

[novel geyser]

skill issue

[unborn briar]

LOL

[novel geyser]

I will still believe the canadians are being added just to get around the mess that is the european theatre brits

[worthy charm]

More Brits mean more messed up food

Canadians surely have better taste

[past veldt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1320450047002939428/1433799177069924432/attachment.gif

[worthy charm]

click

What happens now?

[novel geyser]

you ran out of bait

thats just the notice

[worthy charm]

:[

[novel geyser]

hey willes guess what Im gonna be having for dinner :)

[worthy charm]

Dont do it

Just dont

[novel geyser]

why

dont you like it?

[glossy echo]

R.I.P herrwilles

He's dead now

[swift rain]

Happens to the best of us

[lucid tusk]

The only canadian food is poutine, which i love, and the French sugar shack breakfast, which I would also love if the sadist in the kitchen didn't smother everything with beans

Everything else we eat is American with better health standards

[covert elbow]

Bait or sarcasm, call it

[lucid tusk]

Not a terrible thing, means we get most of the same battles and maybe even some that are rarely touched on

[lucid tusk]

Which part, our diet or the beans?

[novel geyser]

definitely good in that regard, but I cant feel but help the british faction i still getting the short end of the stick outside of north africa

[covert elbow]

Diet

[lucid tusk]

Dude every restaurant that isnt a foreign type of food offers the exact same thing as US restaurants except biscuits at breakfast (which is a crime)

[lucid tusk]

Oh 100%, but that mostly falls on the genius idea that was the "Allies" faction instead of just British airborne, but they gotta sell those airborne skins i guess

[novel geyser]

I also still stand by the fact they're named "Allies" is just a mistake since thats what the US were called before the soviets were added. Same with the germans and being called "Axis"

But their handling of the "Allies" faction is a total mess. Making the airborne outfits dlc was stupid

[lucid tusk]

The worst part is that the airborne uniforms we have are so bog standard that they cant even make a version thats unlockable by ranking up cause then what would be the point of buying it?

Side note the DAK should get an Italian tank and weapons/uniforms for a few of the classes

[arctic rampart]

Are we on the uniform crap again? 🥀

[lucid tusk]

WE SURE ARE

What else is there to talk about

[finite berry]

At first I thought you meant me lol

[novel geyser]

what Elise is there to talk about

[lucid tusk]

I only talk to people who've played the game

[novel geyser]

Uniforms are important when it comes to the inclusion of subfactions tho

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/yakuza-kazuma-kiryu-pissed-off-gif-14586175

[novel geyser]

and subfactions go just beyond looks

[covert elbow]

Fairly certain because they added the Polish airborne skin to them as well so they couldn’t call them solely the British

[real parrot]

A bazilion AT rockets in your general direction

[worthy charm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/813465453942145067/1364712269107298334/speechmemified_tankfly.gif

[real parrot]

https://tenor.com/view/jarvis-iron-man-jarvis-intercontinental-missile-ballistic-missile-jarvis-missile-gif-3909740448300736987

[lucid tusk]

So your average HLL tanker experience?

[real parrot]

More or less yes

[novel geyser]

AT squads when

[lofty girder]

I'm suffering rn

[grizzled inlet]

It's tough being a machine gunner, but learning how to be more stealth and invisible..

[peak torrent]

What happened to the close beta ?

[slate canopy]

it's completed.

[covert elbow]

AT squads, MG squads…

Squad overhaul in general

Wish they could have done something in Vietnam

[real parrot]

If anything Vietnam was even worse

[covert elbow]

I’m definitely interested to check it out and examine it

[winter rover]

vietnam will probably have the same piss tank mechanics as HLL

[real parrot]

It did, imagine HIll 400 but worse, every single tree stops your bullets + your tank

[onyx sierra]

art designers need to do a complete 180 on the color of the game not just tone down the filter

[stray sonnet]

Looking for somebody to run recon with. Who’s down? Ps5

[cosmic pilot]

Erhem

[abstract ruin]

Is there a version of the game that gives you every dlc that comes out for free or no?

[analog apex]

I am so confused this morning 😄 , I'll better stay quiet.

[vapid spade]

cant wait for the loadout bug to be in HLL Vietnam!

[covert elbow]

Nah, start yapping boy

Why are you confused

[analog apex]

I already have, I already answered the question above, then removed and changed it and then realized it's wrong again and I was actually right in the 1st one and I removed it. 😄

[covert elbow]

Confusion

[analog apex]

I got probably exhausted after my yesterday's fight against the windmills in the form of the other camp against my anti-XP-abuse-building-servers measures suggestion for Vietnam 😄 .

The "discussion" was intensively going on for 10h and 30m straight, since the morning till the late afternoon xD .

[hazy owl]

I hope they fix that... I

I wonder if it is so difficult to have the trees fall down or be crushed by a tank, a truck or a shell

There is so much vegetation it's begging for it.. Can they copy paste the code from Valheim?

How about choping a wood to build a barricade? 😄

I am still deeply disappointed that the redeploy screen does not run ads.. and even more opportunity for ads while walking through the tunnel

[grizzled kiln]

It does 🙁 .But at least the gearbox is slightly better

[regal mesa]

Hello!

[limpid marten]

Dont speak to me peasant

[latent gust]

heavy weapon squads.
Mortars when?

[past veldt]

Part of the fun of HLL is the internal flexibility of the squads. It has always kept the game relatively fast paced.

Mortars are irrelevant now the artillery squad exists and can move around more

[latent gust]

Well, they could've given artillery squads... mortars

[analog apex]

and remove the artillery guns - basically just replace the arty guns with the mortars, would make much more sense both historically and game-wise

but so far the people are just using the pre-made arty guns blueprints, most of the peeps didn't seem to notice they can make it almost anywhere now

HQs are still the best bet ofc due fast HQ spawnpoint, but I am sure on certain maps there are better arty positions in or between HQs that would give the artymen better safety... just almost nobody seems to know.

[latent gust]

tbf, I'm all for flexibility. But having mortars could be interesting, though i imagine it being at least somewhat difficult to properly balance, i guess?

[analog apex]

not rly

they worked pretty well in Vietnam test

[latent gust]

i see.
And they're either way less destructive then the existing arty either way

higher rate of fire, less range (depending on if you add some propellant charge mechanic) and severely smaller impact

[analog apex]

I don't remember specifics yet. Shame we weren't allowed to record.

I know just relatively right for now, didn't write down any numbers.

[latent gust]

I wasn't lucky enough to get a mail

[analog apex]

Fortunately if another playtest will be in May, it's not that far at least.

And despite I was like "Vietnam no, WWII only", I am finding myself thinking about actually buying it more and more 😄 .

[past veldt]

Changing artillery to mortars is an insanely inconsequential update. Far bigger fish to fry than do whole new models and animations for something that doesn't affect the game flow in any way

[analog apex]

The only thing I fear though is the Vietnam's performance. With just around 50-60 FPS - if the devs would populate maps with more assets later, slipping into unplayable state would be pretty easy.

[past veldt]

It did prompt me to update my GPU though. Performance was awful for me. Really choppy 30-45fps. My GPU was above recommended specs but still 6 years old

HLL:WW2 now runs at 200fps at times for me, which is pretty sweet

[analog apex]

I have 3090ti... still pretty good for everything there is, but Vietnam and UE5 is too new for it I guess.

[past veldt]

It doesn't do DLSS 4 right?

[analog apex]

no idea tbh.

AI says:
The RTX 3090 Ti supports up to DLSS 4.5

[past veldt]

I switched over from AMD to Nvidia for the first time ever. It's a 5070ti, which seemed a prime price/performance spot for me

Hopefully the next playtest Vietnam runs smoothly as I can use DLSS this time

[analog apex]

I was considering buying some RTX 50xx, but the performance against the 40xx was too small.

+some problems it had at the launch

I am planning buying some 60xx now, probably 6070.

I hate losing my VRAM though as now I have 32 - good for running AI offline models.

[past veldt]

Unless you went to 5090, you probably wouldn't notice much difference from yours

[analog apex]

yep exactly

I fear though I will need a CPU upgrade too and with that... everything else.

now I have Intel i9-10900K (3.7GHz, Boost 5.2 GHz, 20MB L3 cache)

also great but getting old

[past veldt]

Yeah, the latest CPUs are quite a big step up

Power draw to performance is massively improved.

I moved from an ancient 9600K to a 7800X3D two years ago (I was reinstalling windows 30 minutes before a HLL tournament match )

Temps dropped like 25°c, didn't need to update my PSU at all as power draw was similar or lower

[analog apex]

my i9 can heat up a great deal, wouldn't be able to use it on max even

[past veldt]

Yeah, I had a huge OC on my 9600k. That CPU was an absolute beast, but even so, the update was probably the best decision I've made in terms of immediate and obvious impact

My office got a lot quieter as I had to change my heatsink and fans, for one

[analog apex]

good trade

[past veldt]

For sure. My office is shared with my wife for WFH. On quiet days we have 2 gaming PCs and 2 work laptops running. It gets super noisy with all the fans

[molten sail]

Performance was fine for me

Just get a NASA pc

[analog apex]

What specs do you have?

[arctic rampart]

Why tf did no one mention how insane of an advantage you get when turning the graphics to low? It's bonkers to even allow players to change most of those values

[molten sail]

9800x3d 4080 super

[molten sail]

I mean if you didn't figure that out innately there might be bigger issues

All lighting shadow illumination settings to the lowest and hip fire fov to 120 and the game(Vietnam) was kinda playable

[analog apex]

yeah FOV plays a big role in FPS

I am used to the default 90, so it's more zoomed in than on 120
and hence, lower FPS

[molten sail]

Well... You set it higher in Vietnam to stop shadows from rendering earlier

[analog apex]

why would I want to do that :/

Might give an advantage in the in-shadow-enemies-visibility, but I would have to re-learn all my aiming muscle memory all over again.

been playing with FOV 90 for years now

[molten sail]

I don't have issues with it

[analog apex]

if you alrady got used to it... 🙂

[molten sail]

You should be able to play at any fov.... It's just that some are better for HLL

[analog apex]

I could, but as I said... would take time and I don't want to re-learn if I am happy with my 90. 😏

For FOV 120 I would probably also need a bigger screen as well, because things would be too small otherwise.

That would cost something.

[molten sail]

There is not much to learn you are one shotting yourself with out dated theory

[molten sail]

Thankfully we have ads fov

[analog apex]

sadly

Imo. there shouldn't be a slider for ADS FOV, the ADS FOV should always be in the same relative range from the normal FOV, so magnification factor would remain the same (relatively).

Otherwise one can have a fisheye in normal FOV and a sniper zoom with ADS FOV even without a scope - ADS FOV limits should be derived from the normal fov FOV value. It shouldn't be an independent slider with independent values.

[silk igloo]

has anyone figured out why FPS drops to single digits when you drag sliders in the options? is the game still doing millions of writes per second when you do that or something?

[past veldt]

That's the most HLL sentence of all time

[silk igloo]

it is what it is...

[analog apex]

It's probably because it's not sending the new value only after you release the mouse on that slider, but it keeps changing the value realTime even as you are sliding. Still...

[analog apex]

Btw., do we know when will the Juno beach playtest commence tomorrow? Wasn't said anywhere, was it?

[normal fog]

Hello, I just wondering when vietnam releases cause i put on wishlist but no release date shown yet, i need it cause i wanna put spike traps down in the jungle

[analog apex]

Unknown yet. But in May there will be a public playtest.

[normal fog]

i dont worry about May cause i got forza horizon 6 coming out so ill be busy, i just need the full drop in june or july cause then ill be done with forza

[analog apex]

And there are no traps of any kind in Vietnam. Mines at most.

[past veldt]

Right now, we only know it's due for a Summer release. Educated guess, later rather than sooner

[normal fog]

is there a vehicle list for it?

[past veldt]

Not fully available.

Tanks are T70 and a Patton or something

[cosmic pilot]

No. It's 100% a bad graphics element call.

[gleaming bloom]

I can't see the servers in Hell

[pine ember]

@hexed elbow Why so offensive?

No need to insult me in your suggestion... I can have my opinions and its only a game, calm down

[past veldt]

Also your suggestion isn't even dumb to have it unlimited, because it used to be that way if you manually added one via the ini file

You'd get some great stuff in there

[pine ember]

There are probably reasons why it is limited to three... But I dont see why you would want an increase for 5 just because your clan has 5 letters... Then make it fair for everyone...

And just chill, its just a game

I dont get why people are getting this mad over a game that they need to insult others which are bringing normal arguments to the table

[cyan saddle]

Now if you let me have my "obama giving medal to obama" moment, pretty sure I was the first one to figure this one out

[worthy charm]

U9 changed tanks?

Also why do we need it do be this long?

[cyan saddle]

Longer than 3 character would be nice

[oak current]

I remember when they added a clantag thing

and people were confused, why it would be shown after the name, instead of in-front of it

[cyan saddle]

Honestly, another black matter W

[gleaming tide]

I hope he and his family are doing OK, may she rest in peace😔🕊

[cyan mural]

Any update on arty bug hotfix?

[analog apex]

Yeah no worries, I am sure they are working hard on expanding it right now 😄 .

[heady hornet]

aktshually it's four characters

https://tenor.com/view/erm-aksuali-veli-vel-nerd-nerd-emoji-gif-11908435316515627035

[grizzled sapphire]

What happened lmao

[pine ember]

Honestly no idea...

[azure heath]

Where's my dev brief

https://klipy.com/gifs/need-it--k01KQF8QJV0ACXQKWF74NZ376X9

[cosmic pilot]

Hmmm, what if tank damage included an rng based mechanic where crew could be "knocked out" for several seconds. You can't kill the crew, but you could blackout the screen for the driver, gunner, commander for 15 seconds or something

[past veldt]

Rng = bad

[cosmic pilot]

Why

Muh skill expression?

I would make it so it was a chance based only upon hitting a specific sub hitbox

[past veldt]

Yeah of course. It's a multiplayer game. In single player stuff it's fine, but when it's multiplayer you should be able to predict how something will work with certainty or you're just punished for not rolling a dice well enough

[cosmic pilot]

This mentality is over 14 years out of date

[past veldt]

POV: you enjoy monopoly

[cosmic pilot]

I feel called out

[molten sail]

It's because it's actively read writing your cfg file

[cosmic pilot]

But seriously, war thunder is living proof rng is acceptable in a mp skill based shooter

[past veldt]

Is there actual RNG in warthunder?

[cosmic pilot]

Now, allow me to explain

[cosmic pilot]

There is random outcomes, yes

[silk igloo]

hll is an rng game because you'll never know if hitreg works, so you'll double tap.

[cosmic pilot]

But consider a hypothetical.

[past veldt]

And do you find that fun?

[cosmic pilot]

In hll, make the driver's hatch a crit hitbox, if the gunner can hit the hatch you can knock out the vision of the driver for 15 seconds.
It needs to be rng so you can have different outcomes depending upon the type of gun being used.

You can have a more powerful gun always cause a crit and have a less powerful gun less often times cause a crit

That's why I find your rng = bad response extremely shallow and boomer brained

[silk igloo]

Eh. The end result is the same as in RO/RS2 where a bullet might hit the heart or spine for an instant kill, or it might not. Kind of like real life.

why develop a damage model when a bug can be a feature 🤪

[cosmic pilot]

Tank combat in hll would actually benefit from more uncertain outcomes as well as environment influenced outcomes.

That's why I think a compressed version of pen/damage reduction with range is necessary

[past veldt]

Having a detailed mechanic of hitting X causes Y to happen is fine.

Dying to something in a multiplayer game which causes the loss of the game for 49 other people because you couldn't roll a 5 on dice isn't fun

[cosmic pilot]

What are you referring to

[silk igloo]

being able to snipe some weakspot 10 out of 10 times isnt too fun either

[past veldt]

Having the skill and knowledge to do something so consistently is absolutely the sort of thing that should be rewarded

As the developers can make it harder or easier depending on various factors

[cosmic pilot]

This is an outdated opinion

It doesn't have to be the only way of doing things

[past veldt]

Not really. I just don't find RNG fun

I don't enjoy precision Strikes because sometimes they don't work. It's a dice roll right now for whether the bug where it doesn't explode occurs, and I've never thought 'wow I wish this was a feature'

[cosmic pilot]

Consider, which is more fun.
Two heavies kiting behind buildings with repair stations for 5 minutes, or having the chance if hitting the driver's hatch to prevent the other heavy from kiting and securing the kill?

That interaction needs to be chance influenced so it doesn't happen too often

It needs to be chance influenced so there can be more granularity for the weapons used to effect the outcome

The other reason it needs to be chance based is so it has marginal utility so it doesn't become the only choice to target every time

[past veldt]

As stated, I'd prefer the kiting as I don't enjoy the chance to just randomly not kill the opposition. Whereas I can use teamwork and communication to reliably get out of or force a situation of stalemate

[silk igloo]

It should be harder to do. We're talking about a game where people play as ww2 conscripts using cheapest ammo and weapons until they break from use. Deviation was added to artillery, it should exist in every other weapon too

[cosmic pilot]

Your brain on comp

You are limiting the domain of interactions you can have you know

[pine ember]

Did I miss something?

[cosmic pilot]

I made a good suggestion and we have comp brained nay sayers who must be argued with

[past veldt]

As I said, you're a monopoly enjoyer

[silk igloo]

With lesser accuracy, people wouldn't need teleports so much to attack either. Frontal attacks are often a meatgrind because of how easy it is to shoot anyone that moves. Then maps wouldn't need as many reworks to add more clutter either.

[past veldt]

Honestly imagine prefering complete RNG to win a multiplayer game rather than your own skill and some teamwork 💀

Like, the only 'luck' you should have in a multiplayer game is some lucky timings or something. Not the game just randomly deciding you don't get to win today

[cosmic pilot]

Strawman

[wintry thistle]

Hyrum is right

[past veldt]

You can't just call anything you disagree with a strawman

[cosmic pilot]

I can call something that misrepresents my argument as a strawman

[past veldt]

It's okay, I understand you want RNG to balance out your low win rate 🫂

[wintry thistle]

Should asymmetrical balance be a thing?

[past veldt]

If actually balanced, sure

[molten sail]

What is the win rate....?

[wintry thistle]

Asymmetrical balance is inherently not balanced

[past veldt]

Like 42% or something

[wintry thistle]

Some countries have better things for X

[past veldt]

Which gives them some advantages and disadvantages.

Take Vietnam's tunnels. They're really strong right now so not that enjoyable to play against. Whereas the Heli's are weak and so not fun to play with. The outcome is NVA win most games and both teams end up unfulfilled

[cosmic pilot]

Fundamental misunderstanding of rng.
There's the chance I could get n loses in a row from rng.

[wintry thistle]

The point I’m making is asymmetrical balance is rng to a degree

[past veldt]

Whereas if we get a few tweaks and that variety provided by the asymmetrical balance becomes a lot of fun and engaging

[wintry thistle]

So rng would be fine aswell

Hyrum isnt talking about your gun jamming

[past veldt]

RNG stands for random number generator... How is asymmetry rng?

[wintry thistle]

He’s talking about being awarded for hitting a weak spot

Which offers a chance at a reward

[past veldt]

For a chance for it to happen

[cosmic pilot]

Yes

[wintry thistle]

Exactly, better than every time

[past veldt]

Weakspots = good

A weakspot which sometimes doesn't work = bad

[cosmic pilot]

And I've explained multiple reasons for why that's important

[molten sail]

Could just have proper tank damage model doesn't need rng

[wintry thistle]

That’s just not true

Yeah guys don’t hit there there’s a chance it doesn’t crit

[past veldt]

Now that's a true strawman

[wintry thistle]

You called it bad

Thus a disadvantage to target

[past veldt]

If you're in the dying moments of a game, and you hit the perfect shot onto a weakspot and it just doesn't work... That's insanely unfulfilling

[past veldt]

Exactly not the point I was making

[wintry thistle]

Suck it up

Video games involve luck

[cosmic pilot]

Consider the alternative.
If I have my 50mm gun and I want to knock out the driver from the side armor, if it's not chance based then it's "hit n times in the same spot to get the crit" which limits the domain of interactions.

[wintry thistle]

Your never gonna get through to him
The anti RNG crowd is rabid

[molten sail]

My crops opinions are entertaining. : 🚬 🦅

[past veldt]

Honestly imagine losing because your luck is bad in a knowledge and skill based FPS game. You've just wasted 90 minutes on a dice roll

How fun. How fulfilling

[cosmic pilot]

Unlike real life, we have this thing called replayability which allows you to experience the full domain of random outcomes with enough tries

[past veldt]

As someone with the skill of a dad, surely you'd understand and respect their time constraints

[molten sail]

Can you name some games which do this kind of rng well?

[cosmic pilot]

But again, consider the alternative for having a weak spot.
It's either 1 hit 1 crit or hit n times to cause crit

Which means hitting the weak spot is always better than not

[past veldt]

Yeah, that's how weakspots usually work

[cosmic pilot]

If you want to avoid that, it must have a chance element to it

[worthy charm]

Guys guys

[thin lotus]

I want to think that hyrum just types for the sake of typing

[worthy charm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1374662979559227463/1483955894113796157/Souls_dick.gif

[cosmic pilot]

Which eliminates player choice since it becomes the only choice by having a weak spot at All

[worthy charm]

Look at this and calm down

[molten sail]

This just doesn't work in practice though

[cosmic pilot]

Wdym

[molten sail]

You won't have the opportunity to go for the weak spot all the time & even if you do have the opportunity to shoot at it, it would be a difficult shot to hit in which case people would shoot in the other area similar to headshots at 200+m sure it's a weak spot but it's easier to hit someone in the body twice

[cosmic pilot]

Tanks have low hits to kill

[thin lotus]

Infantry doesn’t?

[past veldt]

Not if you miss 75% of your shots

[slender canyon]

Ello folks

[past veldt]

Takes ages for me to kill inf

[oak current]

thats gonna be hard

[molten sail]

Just look at AT they have to be behind the tank to crit damage with their rockets

[slender canyon]

How we doing

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/lizard-laughing-laughinglizard-hehehe-gif-5215392

[oak current]

there we go. thought at first we had a stiff crowd.

[hard whale]

Super curious on what's the new patch notes or the dev brief

[past veldt]

Penis jokes are beneath you

[oak current]

ballsy statement

[cosmic pilot]

It would be bad for gameplay on the victim end if a hypothetical maximum skilled player hit the weakspot every time the terrain and vehicle movement allowed for it.

[past veldt]

But there's something you can do to control the outcome there as the victim

[cosmic pilot]

Since tanks have low hits to kill, the hits to crit would need to be even lower so you can crit before you can kill.

[thin lotus]

Is it possible to kill a target in less than one hit

[cosmic pilot]

If you don't want weak points to dominate player choice they either need to be really small to reduce the likelihood of a hit or you can make them larger but reduce the likelihood of a crit

[thin lotus]

Introducing rng where it isnt needed is asinine

[cosmic pilot]

You want to avoid something like a recon vehicle being able to take out a heavy tank from hitting weak points over and over again

[thin lotus]

The baseline damage output of weaponry is already too damn high (read: very easy to take out targets), so there’s already very little room for player skill expression

[past veldt]

What about an actually detailed tank damage model which has weakspots built in rather than stuck on top

[cosmic pilot]

You think I'm not suggesting that?

But anyway there are other considerations too.
Hll players are not accustomed to a mechanic like crew being knocked out, so in order to preserve player expectations on the receiving end it needs to not happen all the time.

[thin lotus]

How does rng aid in unfamiliarity

Rng is rng

[cosmic pilot]

By preserving a proportion of the experience from being unchanged to what they're accustomed to.

[thin lotus]

Are you just typing things

[cosmic pilot]

You asked and I told you in plain English what I meant.

The rng can be set so the majority of outcomes/interactions are unchanged from what players are accustomed to.

But the domain of interactions still has more depth to it

You may have to consider the possibility you're too stupid to understand what I'm saying

[thin lotus]

Consider that what you’re typing is absolutely asinine

[cosmic pilot]

No

[analog apex]

@fluid pawn
Hi Ben, asking just to be sure - this weekend's Juno beach testing - does it start tomorrow? Do we know when exactly? 12:00 or 15:00 or in the evening?

[thin lotus]

Roll again?

[glossy echo]

Sam I'm wondering too

[silk igloo]

In games like WT it devolves into shooting the barrel or gunner and is its own problem. Or rather it becomes such after the 100th time of shooting the tigers cupola or something. It's boring and nonsense. IRL the cupola would just fly off and decapitate the commander. Or how shooting the muzzlebrake of a cannon means that it explodes when it fires.

[molten sail]

This

[analog apex]

Yeah... I need to know to make/adjust my weekend plans.

[glossy echo]

Sme

[analog apex]

Because I need to leave for the weekend, the question is if I can leave tomorrow morning because I wouldn't make it anyway, or not.

Man... I hate these last minute playtest announcements.

[glossy echo]

What country

[analog apex]

huh?

[glossy echo]

So timezone

[analog apex]

I am from Slovakia if that's the question - central EU.

[oak current]

didnt the last few exp branch rollouts happend in the evening every time?

cause I missed them each time, due to them being rather late. (I was at the Pen&Papers)

[glossy echo]

Oh ok then I think its gonna be 12 or 18

[analog blade]

Is @atomic pendant organizing an exp testing event for Juno or did the devs not inform them in time? Thus far their events where the only moments the test servers got enough players.

In an earlier post the devs mentioned one, but have not seen an announcement yet

[analog apex]

Exactly... and I would love to know which one is it going to be.

[glossy echo]

He wants to make it stressful

[analog apex]

Usually it's 12, 15 or evening 18.

[silk igloo]

https://tenor.com/view/slovakia-gif-9466492006236051147 i know nothing of slovakia

[glossy echo]

I don't know why he just doesn't tell us

I wish he told the time because I'm not even sure if its Friday or Saturday

[past veldt]

Plenty of notice this time to be fair to Ben.

I didn't see Soul confirm anything, but Glows have confirmed an event

[analog blade]

Nice 👍

[bleak surge]

Ngl the artillery tanks are great, first time playing one which got 91 kills with the German one

[analog apex]

new telegram - again just day mentioned that it starts tomorrow, no exact planned time

like cmoon

[dusty bolt]

https://tenor.com/view/here-we-go-joker-heath-ledger-the-dark-knight-and-here-we-go-gif-17775369

[analog apex]

The Experimental Branch will launch Friday 1 May and will run through the weekend, closing on Monday 4 May.
@fluid pawn

Rly. no any indication what's the starting time? 🤔

[silk igloo]

@fluid pawn tell us a joke. the crowd (me) demands entertainment

[novel geyser]

enfield 38 very nice

[analog apex]

so peaceful
https://26630753.fs1.hubspotusercontent-eu1.net/hubfs/26630753/Hell Let Loose/Dev Brief 217/16x9 Full Image Le Suelles River 1.png

[wooden cloud]

Curious to hear what people think about these tank changes…

[novel geyser]

Hoping some of these get ported to the british too, enfield revolver should be the most common, webley can still show up but should be on fewer loadouts
and that "canadian sten" really should be mixed in with british loadouts too since all I can see the difference being is the stock which wasnt really exclusive to either member of the commonwealth

[stray furnace]

I sometimes wish the devs build a new model and stop using the old ones

[novel geyser]

I dont mind them reusing old models for new normandy maps. Speeds up development

but some maps definitely need new models
remagen still has french buildings and even signs and posters despite being in germany

[analog apex]

AT Launchers
Ammo reduced back to 2
Damage increased for higher impact shots due to the reduced ammo

[novel geyser]

AT changes but no AT squads added sadge

[analog apex]

Tank Shell Unloading
All tanks now feature the option to unload a fully loaded shell. If you are in a situation where you have the wrong shell loaded, you can now simply unload it. No more firing the shell and revealing your location.
Nice.

[analog blade]

Stuart handling and unloading shells definitely good news. But I don’t fully understand the damage resistance stuff. The panther nerfs seem way too harsh

[steel trout]

look im sorry ok i had a few drinks its fine

[wooden cloud]

Yeah it’s kinda vague. I’m really curious to get hands on and see how much it changes

[analog blade]

Also not clear what the at changes really mean, less ammo but more damage?

[analog apex]

Armor Resistance System
All tanks now feature a new Armor Resistance system. Armor thickness now provides a percentage-based damage reduction depending on its thickness.

The thickest armor now provides a 25% resistance
This is applied to the **front **of all Heavy tanks

Mid-range armour now provides a 15% resistance
This is applied to the **sides **of Heavy tanks and the **front **of Medium tanks

The lightest armor now provides a 5% resistance
This is applied to the **rear **of all tanks and **most of the armor **on Light tanks

Not sure yet but sounds good - some more depth.

[hard whale]

I'm happy about it about unloading shelves and also kind of happy that the panther is now a medium tank but we'll see how things go and I love to hear about the Stuart being fixed

[analog apex]

although at the same time I am wondering what's the difference between DMG values we had so far... rear hits already did more damage than side or frontal hits... without resistance system

[novel geyser]

no satchel nerf tho

[past veldt]

The armour thickness is kinda interesting, but without plugging the %s into the raw data and working out the possibilities it's hard to say exactly how much it changes things.

Like there's a chance it's only affecting niche scenarios when moving from frontal to side only shots

[analog blade]

The nerf sounds way too harsh but it kind of depends on the cool down time and fuel cost reduction

[wooden cloud]

I’m hoping tank battles last longer then 10 seconds

[past veldt]

It might affect AT a little more than tank v tank.

If AT now takes three shots to kill a medium from the front Vs two shots to the side, for example, then we've got a meaningful change for tanks

[hard whale]

Panther was a pretty much a medium tank wasn't a heavy

[wooden cloud]

Which I’m totally fine with personally.

[past veldt]

Part of me wonders if it's going to move the dial from 2 shots to kill to 2.5 shots or something though, and just not change anything

[past veldt]

They're definitely keen on people using ammo boxes more, that's for sure

[analog blade]

I think it will become even more important to shoot at the rear of tanks with at

[silk igloo]

@fluid pawn Can you clarify if the darker blue waters on the tacmap are meant to signify water impassable to infantry, or is it all walkable like Driel? Whether it's passable or not changes the entire map

[analog apex]

I would be too, if even each rocket/shell tank damage hits would be rewarded with the score & XP. This rearming requirement doesn't promote cooperation of the ATs, but a hard rivalry and trying to be the one who gets the final blow and reaps the glory.

[analog blade]

Yes please, or assist kill score

[analog apex]

Imo. the amount of tank's health percentage taken, should reflect the percentage of the tank kill score/XP.

So the player who dealt more damage, would get more XP/score.

And honestly I would keep it even if the tank would get repaired meanwhile. The AT forced it to go away for a while after all - deserves a reward too.

[analog blade]

Then farm infinite combat score from shooting at tanks being repaired by a bunch of repair stations and or blowtorches 🤭

could be resolved by a max reward of score per tank

[analog apex]

ofc it woudl need some measures to prevent this

[cosmic pilot]

Simple, the xp should only be awarded on a kill

[analog apex]

The easiest way to prevent this could be that the maximum score/XP from 1 tank would not be able to exceed the score/XP for killing it.
easy and effective

[cosmic pilot]

Nothing burger

[winter rover]

I'm no expert but shouldn't the map look more like this?
https://www.reddit.com/r/HellLetLoose/comments/go2ll1/juno_beach_give_em_hell_boys/#lightbox

More towards the East

[haughty solar]

The ''Unloading shell'' is actually really nice. But idk about the other stuff

[cosmic pilot]

The armor resistance should be an absolute damage value reduction and not a percent based one.

[analog apex]

So for instance, if a certain tank destruction gives 100 score/XP today, the player could get score/XP for damaging only up to that 100. If he would get all that 100 score just by damaging, the only more score he could get would be for the destruction of that specific tank itself where he would get another 100.

I think it would feel very rewarding fighting the tanks even if we wouldn't kill it.

[bleak mantle]

Is hll easy to run?

[analog apex]

And wouldn't promote any rivalry among the AT players. At least not as much as today.

[silk igloo]

The way they worded the leg collision prototype sounds like it either forces the player model forward or just doesn't let you go prone if there's something close behind you. Same issue in '83, sometimes cant go prone and it's rather irritating.

[oak current]

or turtle mode, where you collapse your legs

[analog apex]

I honestly hope it won't push us forward.

[oak current]

[sinful bluff]

Do we have any information when the update 20 releases?

[analog apex]

nope

[silk igloo]

maybe the legs just climb up the wall...

[oak current]

maybe they're...legging it.

[cosmic pilot]

This is my fear

Only devs seem to be concerned with players clipping

[analog apex]

but it's good nevertheless... so many times I killed somebody that was inside a house, but I got him by hitting his legs sticking outside the outer wall

[silk igloo]

If prone: Leg_model:ragdoll=true

[analog apex]

not to mention I have always needed to pay attention and position myself the way so I would be sure that my own legs wouldn't be sticking out through the wall

if they fix it, will be nice... one less problem to worry about

[hard whale]

Fresh I'm kind of curious on what you're thinking about about the changes

[past veldt]

Hey @cosmic pilot they're adding weakspots that aren't random chance 🗣️

[grizzled sapphire]

Love the look of Juno so far.

[cosmic pilot]

Are they?

That's a rhetorical question

[silk igloo]

look how the turn tables

[cosmic pilot]

And I was talking about outcomes from weak points that aren't HP damage related

[glossy echo]

Looks like squad 44

[analog apex]

@fluid pawn
Hi again, could we also get a Juno tacMap that would display all the strongPoint locations & names?

To be able to better answer the strongpoint-related questions in the playtest feedback form.

[glossy echo]

Sam knows what he's on about point up

[analog apex]

I am just asking because usually there is always a good chance one won't get to play/see all the strongPoints during the playtest as it's random.

[glossy echo]

Ita a good thing

[analog apex]

Not if the feedback question asks about it and we necessarily don't have the answer even after playing the map.

[thin lotus]

Call of duty figured this out 20+ years ago. Insane.

[glossy echo]

Good thing you told him to give strong point

[analog apex]

ah, right I misunderstood

[silk igloo]

Do tell. I havent played CoD2 in uhhhh ~20 years

[glossy echo]

Nice

[thin lotus]

It lets you prone, but it slides you forward during the prone transition enough to where your legs aren’t sticking out.

[analog apex]

My dad plays it sometimes when he wants to play something. CoD1, CoD2, CoD MW 1 and 2, or Far Cry 1 😄 .

oh and Return to Castle Wolfenstein or Wolfenstein

Newer games are too much for him.

[peak knot]

So tanks get resistance buffs and AT gets ammunition nerf

[analog apex]

...and rockets damage adjustment to compensate for the lowered ammo.

[peak knot]

how does this make sense when tanks are OP already?

patch notes really should have included a rockets needed per tank/side

[analog apex]

When it comes to the rocket launchers, I have avoided them like a devil avoids the cross.

So useless & no reward if the tank survives. Satchel is the only reliable way... sadly.

[glossy echo]

Wasn't the at buffed?

[silk igloo]

So the same as what I said, moving the player model forward.

[analog apex]

rocket ammo nerfed, damage buffed to compensate for the lost 3rd rocket

[nocturne parcel]

Hey guys anyone know when HLL Vietnam comes out for beta on Xbox?

[analog apex]

nope, it's not known when it comes to the consoles

[glossy echo]

Thanks for info

[analog apex]

What's with Ben? He hasn't been responding :/ .

[thin lotus]

BMs “fix” to this was to make the legs take one more bullet to kill. They really did the Bare Minimum when it came to QOL things like this

[analog blade]

have you ever played tank?

[glossy echo]

May

[silk igloo]

That's a reach. Limbs and arms getting less damage had nothing to do with clipping. Dont be so grumpy

[analog apex]

There is a playtest in May yes... but is it for the Xbox too? I believe it's still just Steam. Or is it?

[thin lotus]

Maybe, maybe not. They were well aware of the legs sticking through while prone

[glossy echo]

Console and pc, I hope

[novel geyser]

more issues than just leg clipping

[silk igloo]

To me its such a minor thing that it's surprising that the devs would bother with it. It's kind of inspiring, they're more than willing to fix even minor things

[glossy echo]

Spider man

[analog apex]

About Vietnam open beta May playtest:

Open Beta Testing
If you’re not part of the initial Closed Beta, or if you’re playing on console, don’t worry! Our first Open Beta is planned for May, and we’ll be sharing more details across all our socials in due course. We’re aiming for this test to be available on both PC and console, meaning Xbox Series X|S and PS5 players will be able to join the action.
(source: https://www.hellletloose.com/blog/beta-testing-and-crossplay)

All we know.

Exact date has not been specified.

[glossy echo]

But may maybe soon

[hard whale]

Curious so is it still going to be classified as a heavy the panther or can we have multiple of them at once because historically would be a medium tank

?

[analog apex]

They are lowering it's price and damage output... maybe it will be the case. But still... would need to be some new tank tier between medium and heavy.

Because it will be likely visibly weaker than Tiger now... while surely it can't be on the level of Pz.IV either.

[azure heath]

It says "While still classed as a Heavy in Hell Let Loose, its capabilities have been adjusted; weaker than standard Heavy tanks but stronger than Medium tanks."

So it's still a heavy as of late

[real parrot]

I swear if they make AT rockets pen the heavy from the front I'm going to crashout

[analog apex]

I don't think that's the case... we'll see tomorrow.

[azure heath]

There's no way they do. They only said damage increase, not penetration.

[real parrot]

They said they were going to "Remodel" the armor, didn't specify much more on the dev notes

For as long as medium tanks are able to stand AT rockets from the front I'm happy

[azure heath]

So they can't? At least a Sherman from a Pshreck.

I haven't played for a bit, so they might have changed that.

[real parrot]

Currently? nope

[azure heath]

I swore you could penetrate a medium sherman from the front with a Pshreck, unless they changed it over the past year.

[real parrot]

A solo AT infantry can kill a medium no matter the tanks relative position

[azure heath]

Understood

[real parrot]

No you can, that is the problem

[azure heath]

The damage reduction thing should help to counter that issue a little.

But still not what is needed.

[real parrot]

Well I expect an AT infantry to at least not be able to solo a Medium tank from the front

[azure heath]

Tank shell unloading is a nice addition, though.

[analog apex]

about time wasn't it? 😄

[azure heath]

Been playing since '21 and, yes. It's about time.

[analog apex]

It seems Ben's not managing the community in here today 🙁 .

[azure heath]

He's taking a day off. That's fine with me.

[analog apex]

T17/dev people taking days off as usually when they are needed the most - before, at and right after the playtests.

Feels like a bad pattern.

[worthy charm]

https://klipy.com/gifs/ljin--k01KQFJPTP1K818D8AYMN3VMR0J

[azure heath]

https://discord.com/channels/316459644476456962/1337887591978237952 heheheha

[analog apex]

Ask and you will receive... sometimes what you asked for, some other times something else xD .

[silk igloo]

Rockets penetrating mediums from the front is fine, but the launchers ought to be a bit clumsier to use, and the firepower of tanks ought to be more effective in keeping those launchers suppressed. Still, with this damage reduction it should make it more viable for tanks to do what they're supposed to. and for the 100th time, SLs and tank commanders should work together

[worthy charm]

2 ROCKETS!!!

https://klipy.com/gifs/manchester-united-cristiano-ronaldo--k01KQFJTDC6GD7HEDQBGDJ7X2RW

[thin lotus]

Tanks should be able to spawn on garries

[glossy echo]

Rip

[azure heath]

Could make 'em like the Squad ones that take a year or two to get up

[thin lotus]

Also OPs, and tunnels in the new game

They should be able to fly like the helicopters too

And go on water

[glossy echo]

Chum has best suggestion

[thin lotus]

Also serve as spawnpoints

[azure heath]

I can't do it anymore

[worthy charm]

Chum our lord and savior

[glossy echo]

Yes goated suggestions

[azure heath]

why is willes dead

[worthy charm]

Altberg killed me

after that he gave me some nice penis puns

[azure heath]

bergbomb

[silk igloo]

I'd rather have that than airheads. tank commander commander tank

[glossy echo]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-speed-shocked-shock-shocked-meme-gif-8910406893424234862

No way altberg

[past veldt]

Wait until you see Emergency Tunnel

[silk igloo]

sounds like something out of a starship troopers game where you can play as the bugs

[azure heath]

I can't wait for Hell Let Loose: Cold War and then bunker camping civies

[glossy echo]

Spawn wave every 3 seconds for balance

[glossy echo]

Ukraine with drones would be peak hell

[silk igloo]

since battlefield went from WW2 to vietnam and then to modern, HLL3 will be modern. bet on it

[azure heath]

They went from WW1 to 2 to future to modern

[thin lotus]

Being able to clown car spawn onto tanks and IFVs is very stupid in Battlefield.
It’d be just as stupid in hll

[silk igloo]

It's always stupid no matter how you look at it. SL carrying a 100 kilo backpack that always magnetically follows his watch is more silly than spawning on a radio that is carried by a tank

dont mind the details chum